October 29, 2025 ⢠40 mins
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We dig into night shift realities, kidsâ sleep struggles under daylight saving, and why lightingânot pillsâshould do the heavy lifting. We also question whether doorbell cameras increase safety or just anxiety, and share practical fixes for sleep and home security.
⢠teen chronotypes and later school start logic
⢠bedtime meltdowns driven by evening light exposure
⢠zero-blue lighting, dimming routines, and nasal breathing
⢠shift work pressures, meal at post, and fatigue
⢠indoor lux vs outdoor daylight and circadian health
⢠bio lights pros, costs, and use cases
⢠MyGov basics for first-time users
⢠police resourcing, paperwork, and visibility
⢠doorbell cameras as evidence not prevention
⢠Faraday pouches to block key relay theft
⢠bedroom as a cue for rest and recovery
âJust ask Google to stream 3AW, set a one-hour timer, and lie in the dark breathing four in, eight out.â
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SPEAKER_06 (01:35):
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It is a little night shifter.
Roger Sutherland is from WellNight Shift slash a healthy
shift.
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(01:56):
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It's everywhere.
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A healthy uh A underscorehealthy, is that right?
Correct.
A underscore healthy underscoreshift.
Yes.
Is that the only one you coulduh get?
I think I'm gonna have to changeit.
Yeah, it's just it's busy.
It's all busy.
Healthy shift podcast on allplatforms.
(02:17):
It is absolutely how manylisteners?
SPEAKER_05 (02:19):
Um we're getting about a thousand listeners a
week.
Not even not even close to the Iknow.
Not as that's why I like cominghere.
SPEAKER_06 (02:27):
That's right, because you for the first time
have an audience.
I have an audience on doublethree.
693 is our telephone number.
We'll talk all things to do withlighting.
We're going to talk about uhslip gigs.
Ring call bells.
And the mere fact that you arenow exclusively dressed and you
look amazing by Henry Bucks.
SPEAKER_05 (02:51):
Yes, Henry Bucks.
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (02:54):
Well, you said you bought a beautiful new coat.
SPEAKER_05 (02:56):
No, no, I no, I was gonna buy one from Oxford.
It's a$500 coat and it wasreduced to 191.
And you said, well, there's abargain.
I asked Melissa, she said spoilyourself, and I didn't.
So you had to said no, Iprobably wouldn't have would
have done it.
So you need permission?
No, I did not.
No.
I don't need permission at all.
I just needed someone, somecoaxing.
(03:17):
Some endorsement.
So I needed some endorsement.
Yeah.
I wanted her to say, oh, thatwould look fantastic on you.
SPEAKER_06 (03:23):
No, that feeling.
I know that feeling.
Uh come and join us uh whereveryou are, right around Australia.
Anything you want to raise onthe programme, uh we can have a
chat about anything uh when thegreat man is here, that is Roger
Sutherland.
Certainly issues around law andorder, uh, it is important to
everybody, so we can look atthat.
But certainly it's about thosethat work shift work.
(03:45):
Now, you might be a shift workeras we speak.
You might be a driver, you couldbe an ambo, you might be an
officer uh serving in SouthAustralia, serving in WA,
serving in Victoria, uh anywherearound Australia for that
matter.
Uh you might be uh someone who'sheading into supermarkets and
getting the uh stores cranked upand ready to go uh for the next
(04:06):
day.
Uh there would be people uh ashift working right across the
airport listening.
SPEAKER_05 (04:11):
Everyone industry, private industry working
overnight.
We forget about taxi drivers,Uber drivers, people working at
the airport, uh emergencyservices, frontline health.
I mean, frontline health won'tbe listening to the radio, but I
want to challenge anybody else.
We won't identify who you are,but if you want to call up and
just say and give us a yell,because I put it on my Instagram
(04:32):
story today, who's on nightshift.
I had about 40 people say thatthey're on night shift.
So what about people give us ayell?
Send us a text or give us acall.
SPEAKER_06 (04:41):
133693 come and join us.
Uh I don't know whether Wade.
Now, is your name Wade Kingsleyor are you Wade from Kingsley?
SPEAKER_04 (04:52):
Hi, Tony.
No, it is Wade Kingsley, and uhwe used to work together a very
long time ago.
SPEAKER_06 (04:57):
Wade Kingsley, when I saw that name come up, I
thought is it Wade who lives atKingsley or Wade from uh
Kingsley?
Uh Wade, you are a radio guruand you never rang me, you never
ever uh called, you never sentflowers anymore.
What happened to ourrelationship, Wade?
We liked each other.
SPEAKER_04 (05:14):
Uh we did, Tony.
We had a good time.
We worked at 5AA back in late1990s, I'm gonna say.
I was very young back then, Iwas only into my early twenties,
and I'm turning 50 next year, sothings have changed a fair bit.
SPEAKER_06 (05:28):
Get away.
Uh after running what, a coupleof networks.
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
Yeah, I was at the Nova Network for a long time.
Uh and now I mostly do a lot ofradio consulting work.
I think it would amaze yourovernight audience to think that
there are people who can make aliving out of consulting radio,
but yes, it can happen.
And um it's great to hear yourvoice on the airwaves.
I love your jingle to start theshow, too.
SPEAKER_06 (05:51):
That's very kind of you.
Uh so how do you think we'retraveling based on what you've
listened to so far, Wade?
Uh, what would you give it a bigtick, or do I have to go to a
production meeting, anannouncers meeting, or worse
still, a program director'smeeting?
SPEAKER_04 (06:05):
Well, no, my memory of you, Tony, is you're quite
creative.
So I don't think you would loveuh meetings very much.
I'm not sure you're a meetingskind of guy.
I think that the word meetingwould probably put you off.
SPEAKER_06 (06:16):
Well, we used to always gag about uh meetings.
We the story about meetings wasuh uh winners, uh losers go to
meetings or winners go to lunch.
SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
That's right, that's right.
And and if my memory serves,you're a very good at lunch.
SPEAKER_06 (06:31):
You're very good, boy.
What else is happening in theword way in the world for you?
SPEAKER_04 (06:35):
Well, I lived down on the Mornington Peninsula in
Victoria now.
Um we did a little sea changedown there before COVID.
Um my wife, who I actually metat 5AA, uh her name is Souze,
and she was writing commercials,and I was uh a talk pack
producer, as you know.
And we met and uh we thentraveled the country a bit
together through radio and nowhave a couple of teenagers and
(06:57):
live down on the beautifulmorning visiting from Victoria.
SPEAKER_06 (07:00):
Oh mate, how the school fees are going.
SPEAKER_04 (07:03):
Yes, that's why I'm still working tonight.
School fees.
I absolutely didn't mean tohijack your first segment, but
I'm actually uh driving backfrom the airport in Melbourne to
home, and I'm never normally upat this time, but I know you
shot me an email and said let'scatch up.
So I thought what better way tocatch up than on the radio?
SPEAKER_06 (07:25):
Live uh broadcasting.
Wait, it's a thrill to hear fromyou.
I'm glad you uh touch base, anduh I promise you at some point
we will break bread.
SPEAKER_04 (07:33):
Well, uh let's go to lunch.
How about that?
No meeting.
SPEAKER_06 (07:36):
I'm loving your work for that.
Uh uh Do you have a do you havea card these days, or is it a
thing of the past?
SPEAKER_04 (07:44):
Oh, like a business card?
Is that what you meant?
SPEAKER_06 (07:46):
No, a card to pay for lunch.
SPEAKER_04 (07:48):
Oh, I well you notice I can I artfully dodged
that, Tony.
I don't think beautifully, but Iuh I went the other way.
So we could we could clearly Ithink we could use the uh
Australia Overnights creditcard.
That works well.
SPEAKER_06 (08:01):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Good on your cover.
Nice to see you.
Wade Kingsley, who uh greatradio person uh and was pretty
young as he mentioned uh back inthe days of the city.
He's got the voice for it,hasn't he?
Yeah, gifted and talented, andthen went on and did amazing
things uh as a senior exec uhfor the Nova Network and turned
that into a a bit of ajuggernaut.
SPEAKER_05 (08:21):
But I ask a question.
What is a f what does he sayhe's f consulting, radio
consulting?
What does that do?
What do you do when you're aradio consultant?
SPEAKER_06 (08:27):
You know, what they what a consultant does, as you
well know, is uh they grab uhsomebody else's watch and tell
them what time it is.
SPEAKER_05 (08:37):
Okay.
Pretty much.
Beautifully done.
SPEAKER_06 (08:39):
Uh are you familiar with Wade Kingsley's work?
Um I'm not sure.
The name kinda rings a bell, butyeah, I'm not sure I am.
I thought you were looking for arole maybe at Nova.
Something came up, Jackson.
Uh I thought you were gonna saysomething.
Oh no.
Uh gotta go.
Gotta fly.
Uh we'll do this break.
I've got to stay to the time,Wade.
(09:00):
Don't I?
Uh 133693.
It is Australia Overnight.
We'll reconvene.
Come back in just a tick, uh,come and join us for Australia
Overnight.
Good morning.
One of the big conversations inthe last week or so.
Uh you would have seen this,Rog, uh mum's, dad's
grandparents, and how you thelittle tackers to go to sleep
historically.
So we thought we'd fling thatopen to the listeners.
(09:21):
Uh in the day, uh, how did youget youngsters, particularly
during daylight saving in thispart of the world, uh, how did
you get little youngsters to goto sleep?
It can be a real challenge formum and dad.
And I know it was for us at thatstage.
Uh we had a property in Ballaratrunning a motel as well as doing
other projects.
Uh, and uh Jamie G just wouldnot go to sleep.
(09:44):
Uh and so it became a real issueand puts an enormous amount of
uh stress on uh family uhbecause come seven o'clock,
eight o'clock, nine o'clock, uhand a little thing called
Fenergin came in to uh be ahelp.
But you say that's not the wayto go.
SPEAKER_05 (10:01):
No, the b what one of the things that we've got to
understand about this, which isreally important, is people
younger younger people have whatwe call a later chronotype.
So they naturally go to sleeplater and they naturally get up
later.
And there's a big campaign toactually change the hours of
schools so that instead ofpeople starting school early,
(10:21):
they actually start school laterand finish later.
I don't wonder that.
Why do we start at 8 30 or 9o'clock?
Well, it's ridiculous becauseteenagers are in their sleep
phase at that stage, and it'snot because they go to bed late,
it's because their chronotype,as in their normal type, has
them going to sleep later.
And we go through stages.
So when we're young, reallyyoung, like up until we're about
(10:43):
10, we go to sleep earlier, weget up earlier, and then from 10
onwards, we then start to go tosleep later, and then we wake up
(12:13):
later.
And that's our prime schoolingyears, and yet we start school
at 8.30, or we've got to be upat 7 to get to school at 8.30.
This is where children reallystruggle because their brains
are not even switched on by thatstage.
So we should be starting schoolat 10, 11 o'clock, and then
going through until six.
You're talking primary school atthat's a good thing.
All through, right through.
SPEAKER_06 (12:33):
Yep.
SPEAKER_05 (12:33):
And so even though we're not going to be able to
I'm gonna say later, later whenthey're over ten, yeah, right,
would be better.
For the teenage years for later.
Certainly VCE kids.
VCE kids shouldn't be at schoolat 8 30 in the morning.
Their brains are not even turnedon by that stage.
It's it's outrageous.
Just write that.
And that's why they're writingthat down.
SPEAKER_06 (12:49):
VCE kids' brains don't turn on till lunchtime.
SPEAKER_05 (12:52):
Well, it well it it we've got to understand this
circadian rhythm and learningthat we need to be in this
proper cycle for us to be ableto function properly.
And this is what we talk aboutwith children not sleeping,
we're forcing them.
The one thing that we have tonot do, and it's imperative that
we do not do, is medicatechildren to sleep.
(13:13):
Or anybody, because you're notactually asleep.
SPEAKER_06 (13:16):
No, very good.
Hardy, when you uh when youfinish, when you knock off, do
you go straight to sleep?
SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Good morning, Kanye, Roger, and uh Jackson.
Not right away.
I've got a bit of insomnia, souh adjusting their 40 years off
shift work as you know, it's noteasier to sleep right away.
SPEAKER_05 (13:34):
But you can change that, Arthur.
You you you can literally I knowyou say you've got insomnia, but
the insomnia is actually createdby the light exposure, and you
can phase shift that withearlier light.
SPEAKER_02 (13:48):
Well, seeing daylight savings, I'm not a fan
of it, but I'm adjusting betternow.
I'm adjusting so I can go tosleep a bit earlier because I've
seen a bit of daylight and I'muh kind of you know forcing
myself naturally to do that.
Just a question though that uhTony brought up the uh clock
card.
I used used it when I wasdigging in security, just to
(14:08):
think of it.
The log on logoff punch card.
Yeah, probably still got themthere.
Did you use them in the policestations as well?
The uh time clock.
SPEAKER_05 (14:16):
Never no, never never used the time clock in
well.
I started in 1984, and no, therewas no time card then.
SPEAKER_06 (14:23):
Well, how'd they know when you lobbed in and
lobbed out?
SPEAKER_05 (14:26):
Um I'm pretty sure the sergeant would have known
that you were there.
Yeah.
So you you and you did a timesheet.
You you manually wrote a timesheet.
And here's a here's a funny onefor people.
If you worked the divan, youticked the div van box and you
got an extra dollar ten for it.
A dollar ten.
A dollar ten for working the divvan.
(14:46):
When I started, you just got anallowance the div van being the
divisional van.
If you were out on the truck,out on the divisional van, yeah,
um, you would put down workingseven oh seven hundred and you
wouldn't put the finish timebecause you could get overtime,
but you would tick the box thatyou were going out working on
the van, and if you were outgoing on the van, you get an
extra dollar ten as an allowancefor working on the van in 1980.
(15:07):
Yep.
SPEAKER_06 (15:08):
A dollar ten for the day or a dollar ten for the
hour?
SPEAKER_05 (15:10):
No, for the shift.
An extra dollar ten for theshift.
No, but and if it was a if yougot overtime and it was a
12-hour shift, it was still adollar ten, but it was an
allowance.
And they remove that allowance,so they don't get a div van
allowance now at all.
No.
So what about a lunch break?
No lunch break, it's called mealat post.
So you eat whenever you can,which is a problem.
(15:30):
Yeah.
Because you may not get to eat.
Which is you say that likethat's common.
It's common.
Very common, very common for umparticularly today, Tony,
because the van crews, thedivisional van crews, are
running from one job to thenext, or they're tied up away
from their stations.
Like with mental health patientsat hospitals, or they um they
(15:52):
they could be tied up withoffenders and executing warrants
and then going from one to thenext.
You know, no no one logs off togo and sit down and oh, it's
it's dinner time and and havesomething to eat.
You try, but no, it doesn'thappen that's the same.
SPEAKER_06 (16:05):
So we are in uh Perth, a little uh uh little
street uh just off the freewayin Perth near uh what they call
Polly's Pipe, Polly Farmer'sTunnel.
Uh and the there's a whole lotof couples that go in there on a
regular basis.
And sometimes it could be eight,ten, fifteen or more.
The cars are all parked outthere, all bikes out there, uh,
particularly on a lateafternoon, a Saturday or Sunday,
all having a coffee.
(16:26):
And people might think, what'sgoing on here?
But it's probably the only breakthey get for the day.
Correct.
And they all just happen to turnup around that same time.
SPEAKER_05 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, and they turn up there and that they use
it as that forced get together,because otherwise I don't get a
chance to even communicatebecause it's so busy.
SPEAKER_06 (16:41):
Uh Helen, you wanted a question about MyGov we
mentioned earlier with DennisWalter on the programme here on
30W in Melbourne.
SPEAKER_00 (16:48):
Hello, Tony.
Yes, only in that I've I heardreference to it before and I
don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_06 (16:53):
Uh you should download the app.
I'm surprised you haven't gotone, uh Helen.
Have a look at the MyGov app.
Uh they know your every move.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
And I don't know what an app is and I don't have
a phone.
SPEAKER_06 (17:04):
Oh, well, that's going to be a little tricky for
you then.
Uh what about do you uh have acomputer?
SPEAKER_00 (17:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (17:10):
Uh so you uh what is my gov?
What do you have?
SPEAKER_05 (17:13):
Well it's for uh every Australian Medicare?
Um your health insuranceeverything's all on myGov.
Um MyGov is basically the homeof your ID.
SPEAKER_06 (17:23):
Yeah.
So uh they know uh you know uhwhat you eat medical.
What time you go to bed.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
Uh when they were set up, wouldn't they have
contacted all Australians andintroduced themselves?
SPEAKER_05 (17:34):
That was an issue.
They did not.
No, they didn't.
No, they didn't.
They just set it up and housedeverything there because
everyone went over to that.
Helen is an issue.
Uh but everyone has to use it.
You have to use it for businessto go through myGov.
You do it for your own taxthrough.
Your group certificate is nowparked on MyGov as well.
You know, your your groupcertificate from work.
Um superannuation is is ineverything.
SPEAKER_06 (17:55):
Everything's through it's all linked through my gov.
Yeah, and you can do thatonline.
So if you type in my gov, and ifyou're not registered, uh
register, and you'll besurprised uh some of the
benefits of uh checking out on asemi-regular basis, Ellen.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (18:10):
It's short for my government.
Yeah, my government.
My government.
SPEAKER_00 (18:14):
Lovely government.
SPEAKER_06 (18:14):
Yeah, my government.
A lovely govern.
My gov.
It's called MyGov.
SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
Thanks, Tony.
SPEAKER_06 (18:18):
Good on you, Helen.
Keep in touch.
Let us know uh what you think ofit, uh, because people may have
a different opinion uh of it.
Well, the bomb app the bombcopped it, didn't it, this week?
What was that about?
It's copped it on radio allweek.
It has.
Well, I'm and I'm surprisedexcuse me.
I'm not surprised.
I'm really interested, I think.
How many people uh go to my tomy gov uh uh go to bomb uh to
(18:43):
have a look at the weather?
SPEAKER_05 (18:44):
Right.
And who said who sat there whenthey sat around the table and
went, Oh, this is it, this isfantastic.
Oh, for the website.
SPEAKER_06 (18:51):
Yeah, for the website.
Who did that?
Didn't work out well uh ChrisBrody morning.
SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Hello uh Tony Mac and Roger.
Um look uh things are quiteningdown at this end of Broadbellows
uh after the event, both Fridayand Saturday night, only 250
meters.
Well, it's taken golf terms ortwo, was it uh specifically have
the order tunnels all theFridays that they should not
(19:17):
before the machete attack for acrowd of four thousand people.
SPEAKER_06 (19:20):
And so I um I have got uh correspondence and re
replies from uh government housefrom the governor of Victoria
and the the Department ofPremier and uh I saw that you
said that through, and uh underthe legislation, under the rules
and regs, uh it's not reallyanything they can help with.
SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
Yes, it is.
Uh it is everything's on thetable now, whether we I suggest
uh cutting out all nightlifts ornot too to give much needed rest
of recreation to the lawenforcement, coincide with some
restrictions, some purpose, evenif this is not in place, or even
martial law, bringing themilitary alongside the police
just to just to quiet thingsdown so the police can could do
(20:02):
their usual rounds, do theirshits, and go home for much
needed rest of recreation.
SPEAKER_06 (20:07):
Uh rest and recreation was uh was that very
important?
Was that was that givenpriority, Roger?
Roger Sutler?
SPEAKER_05 (20:13):
I think the at the moment.
I um we've had this discussionbefore, Tan.
I I don't agree with themilitary being involved at all,
right?
I think the government has toresource and support and have
the police doing that job.
I I just don't like the look ofthe military out there doing the
job that the police should bedoing.
It'll there'll be blurred lineseverywhere there with that, and
I don't think that's a good ideain any way whatsoever.
(20:35):
I can understand why peoplewould think it, because they
think everyone would be scaredof the military, but the
military are gonna have theirhands tied so much with what
they can and can't do.
The job is the job of thepolice.
They're the ones that aretrained to do the job, they're
the ones that need to beproperly resourced, and they
need to have them out there andvisible, because this is one of
the biggest problems today.
I I drove in tonight and wasshocked when I actually saw a
(20:57):
police car when I was on my wayin.
I was driving along and all of asudden I realised I was
following a police car.
You don't see that.
You just don't see police carsaround.
You don't see them not as many.
You don't see them parked on theside of the road these days with
a radar going or set up with thethe tapes across the road.
SPEAKER_06 (21:13):
Because why?
SPEAKER_05 (21:14):
There's not there isn't any.
SPEAKER_06 (21:15):
We should point out we're talking about uh
essentially in Victoria, butit's the same the state right
across the room.
SPEAKER_05 (21:20):
I would imagine it would be much the same
everywhere because I know I knowWest Australia are on their
knees as well.
Their union is campaigning veryhard at the moment.
SPEAKER_06 (21:28):
They're looking for people.
SPEAKER_05 (21:29):
Yeah, they are, and South Australia is in the same
same situation as well.
I commute with the commutecommunicate with all of these
agencies up and down the EasternSeaboard as well as across the
country, and it is a realproblem with staffing issues and
how short they are and how busythey are tied up doing paperwork
for jobs.
Now, uh Mike Bush, the newchief, is horrified at the
(21:51):
amount of paperwork and therepetitive nature of what the
police here in Victoria areactually doing.
Having come from aninternational agency coming in,
he's looked at it and gone, Thisis so backward, it's outrageous.
Crazy.
And he's trying to fix it.
Um and you know, credit wherecredit's due, he's getting rid
of the people upstairs, youknow, overgovern over he's
(22:11):
looking internal before he looksoutside.
I think that's a real credit tohim as well.
SPEAKER_06 (22:15):
So but but all that paperwork's still got to be
done.
It's not as if that's not gonnabe done.
The people who are best to dothat uh have been up until
recently or more recently havebeen serving offices.
Well do you bring lay people inuh where do you get those
people?
Are they sufficiently skilled touh do that job that is so
important to certainly forprosecution?
SPEAKER_05 (22:36):
I I don't have I I don't have inside intel.
I have certainly been told thatthere will be a lot of jobs that
will go to what we call unsworn,which are like um people who
work in the police departmentwho are not sworn officers going
out doing the job.
They're the people that are insupport staff.
Um prosecutions is one of theareas that could very easily end
(22:57):
up as unsworn.
Um there's a quite a number ofareas.
I I wouldn't want to be in anoffice down the road here at the
VPC, the Victoria Police Centre,um, in one of your Heidi Hole
offices round the corner.
Because I wouldn't mind bettingMike Bush will come knocking on
your door one day and sayingyour job doesn't exist anymore,
um, or you're being replaced bysomeone who's unsworn and you
can go back out on the road.
(23:19):
And they they won't go.
They won't go back out on theroad, they'll leave, and he's
apparently his attitude is verymuch along the line of see you
loader.
SPEAKER_06 (23:28):
Commissioner of the police here in Victoria.
Uh no idea what you're talkingabout.
Between Morwell, Terelga, andmultiple cars side of the road,
and the cameras uh always downthat way.
SPEAKER_05 (23:36):
But the cameras are not the police.
It's very important peopleunderstand that the cameras are
not the police at all.
SPEAKER_06 (23:41):
Uh 133693, come and join us.
Tony Mackett is AustraliaOvernight.
Good morning to you.
Awkward.
Uh for those that uh uh thatthat watch streaming for
Australia Overnight, uh weunderstand uh that it for
whatever reason uh it's likelast week we had some issues
with the uh text line goingalong beautifully.
Uh but we understand that itdoesn't seem to be streaming at
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the moment.
Uh but we've got a uh team ofpeople, although having said
that, I'm waving, so there issomething uh there.
Uh one double I'm waving again.
Uh 133693 is a telephone numberif you'd like to be part of the
uh programme.
Come and join us.
Where are we going?
Lee Ann, say hello to Roger.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_03 (24:18):
Good morning, Roger.
Jackson, uh yes, Jackson andJune.
SPEAKER_06 (24:23):
We're all here.
SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
Um two things.
Uh my gov is basically yourchanneling, your Medicare, all
of it, your ATO, NDIS, and youcan look up government services
for Helen.
Uh if you can't find anything insections in each each payment
that you can look up what youneed like payment, it's actually
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quite good.
SPEAKER_06 (24:47):
Yeah, we use it.
Yeah, it's great.
SPEAKER_03 (24:52):
I'm averaging four hours to sleep in the getting to
the bedroom to go to sleep.
SPEAKER_05 (25:00):
Getting to the bedroom.
SPEAKER_03 (25:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (25:09):
I was just gonna say, what is the resistance that
you actually have to that land?
There's obviously a reason whyyou don't want to go into the
room.
SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
I have no idea what it is.
Because I was I did a lot ofnight work too, but I just I I
mean, I sit up listening to youguys.
I mean, yeah.
Sometimes I fall asleep.
SPEAKER_06 (25:30):
Sometimes, but um, which particular which
particular segment would yousend you to sleep?
SPEAKER_03 (25:37):
No, not you.
Sometimes I fall I might not beI might not listen and I'll be
following in and I'll fallasleep.
What about if I'm on my phonelike a it's got the screen on
it?
SPEAKER_05 (25:46):
Okay, now the one of the biggest problems that you've
got, Leanne, is is you're notready for sleep.
You're not ready for sleep,which is the reason why you're
not actually going into the roomand going to bed because you're
not ready.
And that comes from that bluelight exposure that you're
actually getting from looking atthe TV, looking at the screens
with the lights on overhead.
But dim all dim all your lightsfrom early, right?
(26:08):
Start dimming your lights.
Only have like a little lamp onwith a little like interview.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (26:12):
Just like Yeah, I have the kitchen like light
coming into the back room withno light on.
SPEAKER_05 (26:18):
Okay, and what about because you listen to the show,
what about if you go and lie liein bed and listen to the show on
the radio while you're lying inbed in the darkness?
SPEAKER_03 (26:28):
Actually, it's funny you say that.
I could do that because I've gota Google Nest in there.
SPEAKER_05 (26:33):
Well, perfect.
Just ask Google, just tell justsay to Google to stream 3OW,
because it does that.
I do that all the time.
And ask it, put a timer on itfor one hour and turn it off,
and just lie in bed and listento it on very low volume in the
dark.
And I'll tell you what I wantyou to do, Liam.
I want you to breathe in, putyour hand on your stomach,
breathe in through your nose forfour for a count of four, and
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into your hand, breathe downinto your hand, and then I want
you to breathe out through yournose for a count of eight, and
keep doing that while you'relistening to the radio in the
darkness.
You won't last five or sixcycles.
SPEAKER_06 (27:08):
You promise.
So the entire Australianaudience now could be doing that
uh and and and then we have nocalling.
No, only Leanne was listening.
All right.
Well, thank you, Leanne.
Uh let us know how that goes.
133693 is our telephone number.
For those sending text 0477 693693.
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And for our wonderful listenersin WA 133882.
And the email, there's a lot ofstuff really, email
overnightsplural at 3aw.com.a.
You we were talking aboutlighting.
How important is lighting?
Because you've just changed yourentire home lighting.
SPEAKER_05 (27:48):
Yeah, what I've done is um today I've had all those
low voltage LEDs removed fromthe roof of my house and I've
swapped them over for what wecall a bio light.
In the ceiling, yeah.
In the ceiling.
It looks identical.
And when you turn the light on,it looks like a normal white
light.
Um, and it's during the day andit's got the correct amount of
blue in it.
(28:08):
We as Australia.
SPEAKER_06 (28:09):
Why do you need the light on during the day?
SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
Well, if you do, because well I can tell you why,
because research is showing usvery clearly now that we're
spending more time indoors thanwe are outdoors, and we need
daylight.
We don't need and a lot ofpeople are indoors.
Now being indoors and having thecurtains open advice is not
enough.
We absolutely have to beoutside.
Now, let me just explain.
When you've got the lights oninside your house, it's
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approximately 500 lux of light.
500 lux.
Now we need much more than thatto actually stimulate that
circadian rhythm and get usaway.
And what a lot of people do, andthis is where we had a lot of
trouble through COVID, peoplecame out of their bedrooms, sat
in the kitchen, working in thekitchen, went back into their
bedrooms, they were nevergetting any daylight, right?
(28:55):
And that daylight is at 10,000lux.
Even on an overcast day, that10,000 lux of light is actually
what is resetting our circadianrhythm and telling our diurnal
system this is where we're at intime and space.
So now we know.
So it suppresses the sleephormones and it fires up the
cortisol and gets us up andabout and ready to go during the
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day.
And this is a lot of problem, alot of the reason why prob uh
older people have troublesleeping at night because they
don't get the daylight duringthe day at all.
They're sitting inside.
So the lights that I've justchanged at home provide a full
spectrum blue light during theday, which is equivalent to
daylight outside, so it'sbright.
And then at night you turn thelight off and back on again, and
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it's got zero blue in it.
Still light, it's got zero bluelight in it.
And it So how does it work soyou turn it on?
Turn it you turn the light onand it comes on normal light.
And then when it gets to theevening, like once the sun goes
down, once the sun goes down,you turn it off and turn it back
on again, and it comes on withzero blue light in it.
They're very, very good lights.
(30:02):
They're expensive, but they'rethey're very good.
When you say expensive.
But what price do you put onyour health?
You see, this is the price.
What uh$75 each?
Each?
Yep.
$75 each.
For a globe.
unknown (30:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (30:15):
For yeah, but they're a bio light.
They are a health light.
For how long do they uh last?
Who knows?
No idea.
But an LED light in your roof,when was the last time you
changed an LED light on yourroof?
Ever.
Never.
Right?
So that's what I'm saying.
I don't know.
And the LED lights What peopledon't understand is when we had
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incandescent light, we had agood light.
We had a healthy light, it hadinfrared, it had the blue, it
had the all the differentspectrum of light in it.
But now we have gone these lowvoltage LED lights that have got
zero infrared, not enough bluein them during the day, which is
less than 20%.
They've got greater than 2% LEuh blue light in them at night.
(30:58):
And what it's doing is ourcircadian rhythm is confused.
And this is why we are fat, weare sick, we are suffering from
poor immunity, we havecardiovascular disease, we don't
sleep at night, we are snacking,we get cravings, and we're
suffering from more cancers thanever because of the exposure to
artificial light at night.
SPEAKER_06 (31:17):
And you've got to imagine uh I'm not an expert,
but you've got to imagine thatsomehow it's all linked in.
It can't not possibly be.
SPEAKER_05 (31:26):
Well, I can tell you categorically in hospitals,
research shows that if you areon the side of the hospital
where the sun rises, you will beout of hospital quicker than
when you're on the side that thesun sets.
SPEAKER_06 (31:36):
Uh G'day, Tony Mack and Roger, listening to Roger.
Uh great radio.
Wish you would come on more.
Uh kids these days have troublegetting off to sleep.
They're in bed by 8 30, takeshours and then to fall asleep.
Any recommendation says nursing.
SPEAKER_05 (31:48):
Yeah, well, once again, it's light exposure.
They're not ready to sleep.
They need to have that zeroblue.
And when they're in bed forthose hours to fall asleep, what
are they doing?
And the question I would askevery single person listening to
this show right now if you holdyour arm outstretched and your
hand and you can see your handin your room while you're
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sleeping, while in your room tosleep.
It's too light.
It's too light.
Full stop.
If you can see your hand at youroutstretched arm.
Even during the day.
Yeah, well, while you'resleeping during the day or
night.
Anytime you're trying to sleep,if you can see your hand
outstretched, it's too light.
How do we solve that?
A sleep mask.
Or roller shutters.
We've got to get rid of alllight.
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Any light is triggered.
We have clocks in all externalcells in our body.
SPEAKER_06 (32:33):
Uh text here says, uh, Tony Mac, I do the opposite
to the Great Leanne.
I do everything in my bedroom.
Don't watch the telly.
Well, no, I don't watch thetelly, I've got to say.
But I am in the bedroom nightafter an early dinner.
I rest, I chill, uh I drinkmyself into a No, I just made
that bit up.
I drink coffee in the bedroom.
SPEAKER_05 (32:53):
Can't rest in the rest of the house.
Can't rest in the rest of thehouse.
So what's happened is Thisperson ha uh um has associated
their bedroom with rest, whichis a good thing.
It's a relaxing, calm place.
SPEAKER_06 (33:08):
You know, even what your bed looks like.
SPEAKER_05 (33:10):
Oh, totally.
The environment of that room.
Totally.
It's part of your sleep hygiene.
Stand at the door to yourbedroom and look at your bed.
Is that somewhere where not atsix o'clock in the morning when
you get home, Tone, right?
Yeah.
But is that somewhere where youwant to go and rest and sleep?
And your bed is for only threethings that start with S.
One's sleep.
(33:31):
The other one's sickness.
SPEAKER_06 (33:32):
Yeah, there you go.
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (33:33):
And the third one.
SPEAKER_06 (33:34):
133693.
G'day, Tony McRoger.
Love the program.
I totally agree with him.
He told the lady before, liedown, listen to the show.
It's the best way to fallasleep.
Sleep.
Sleep.
You're getting sleepy.
You're getting very, verysleepy.
Do you make the bed everymorning?
SPEAKER_05 (33:51):
Every as soon as I get every morning.
As soon as I get out, make itstraight away.
SPEAKER_06 (33:55):
Do you have uh lots of Manchester on the bed?
Melissa has her hundreds ofpillows on the bed.
SPEAKER_05 (34:01):
Cushions and pillows.
Why do they do that?
What is that about?
I don't know.
I don't know.
What is it?
No idea as well.
And we keep every time I go andhave a look at it, there's
another one.
And I think Where do that wheredo that come from?
Why and why is it there?
SPEAKER_06 (34:13):
And how often do we uh flick the sheet?
SPEAKER_05 (34:15):
Flick sheet.
You don't change them.
Oh, every Sunday.
Sunday's wash the sheet day.
Sunday wash the shoot.
We have tail Tuesday and we washthe sheet.
We wash the sheets on everySunday.
Tails on a Tuesday.
It's Tail Tuesday.
And sheets on a Sunday, yep.
Routine.
Every week.
It's routine.
SPEAKER_06 (34:30):
Routine will set you free.
Yes.
It is Australia Overnight,wherever you are.
Nice to have you company.
For those that are waiting, uhwe'll get to some calls in Just
a Ticker.
Thank you.
The idea of we see them on thenews, they're heavily used on
the news services given thecurrent set of circumstances
right across Australia, whereyou see these uh bogans uh or I
(34:53):
like to call them dicks who turnup at your front door, uh much
of which is captured uh by thedoorbells that rings.
And they're common up uh seem tobe.
Somebody's doing really wellafter uh having a pretty quiet
time with them, and they becomeuh obviously on a lot of
properties, uh which is sad thatwe need 'em.
(35:13):
Uh that's just uh by way ofcomment, I guess.
Here's the thing in terms ofinvestigation, are they helpful?
SPEAKER_05 (35:20):
Uh yes, they're very helpful.
Um I just showed you the videoof when we had the Ekberg at our
place.
Um and out of that vision theywere able to identify certain
clothing traits, and from thatthey were able to identify one
of the offenders.
Um just fantastic detectivework.
He was holding a 7-Eleven cup,and they went to the 7-Eleven
(35:41):
and saw the vision and matchedthe clothing without just
fantastic work.
SPEAKER_06 (35:46):
So when we got hit, they were able to look at the
particular person who was theoffender, and they could tell by
the walk.
In other words, they knew theyknew who the defender was
because of the walk.
Because of the way this personwalked.
SPEAKER_05 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.
They know that.
Um, and that that comes down togood.
And see, we underestimate whatthe detectives know.
Everyone's very critical of VicPaul um in relation to these
Agbergs and why aren't theydoing more?
But they're looking at thesegoing, they know who's critical.
You say you're not going to beable to do that.
Oh, the public, the public.
Oh, on social media they do copit a lot, right?
(36:21):
But they're I I think the publicare now realizing that a lot of
it is um that the police aredoing their job, they're being
let down by the courts or thegovernment.
I think people are on board withthis now.
Um bail's become a big topic ofdiscussion.
SPEAKER_06 (36:33):
Let down by government.
SPEAKER_05 (36:35):
Yep.
But um going back to thecameras, um that occurred at our
place at 3:30 in the morning,right?
And we woke up and we had ringalerts on my mobile phone.
Because I put my phone on do notdisturb, as you probably do as
well.
Otherwise, the alerts drive youabsolutely crazy, right?
And you should, because sleep'sgot to be far more important.
(36:56):
And I woke up and I looked at myphone and there was ring alerts,
and I looked at the cameras andI I saw the vision that I've
just shown you, and I freakedout.
Like your heart just stopsbecause you think someone's at
your door.
I jumped out of bed and ran tothe front door, and our uh
security door was open, but theother door was the solid wood
door was still closed.
They tried it um and didn't getin.
(37:18):
Now, had we not have had thatring camera, I wouldn't have
even known that occurred.
I probably would have come homeand thought, oh, we left the
security door open and left itat that.
I honestly believe people putthese cameras on because they
want to see things.
Cameras don't save you.
The the Lord Mayor's come outand said we're putting more
cameras in Melbourne, we'regonna put more cameras in the
CBD, we've got camerasmonitoring Rundle Mall, we've
(37:40):
got cameras monitoringeverywhere.
Cameras don't save you.
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (37:44):
Stephen said on 3 AW Breakfast makes the point you
can't have enough cameras.
SPEAKER_05 (37:47):
I I don't disagree.
You can have cameras everywhere,but cameras don't save you.
They don't provide that safety.
The the girl that was stabbedwas on camera, it didn't save
her, right?
Um, they don't save people, theydo provide a level of safety for
people that don't want to getcaught, but they're wearing
these masks now.
You know, they're wearing masksand hoodies, and they don't care
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because there's no consequencefor the action.
Now, my argument would be forpeople that are contemplating
buying a ring doorbell camera orputting ring cameras around
outside, and ring won't likethis or Amazon won't like it.
But the bottom line is do youwant to know?
Lock your house up, but do youreally want to know that
someone's been there and you'veactually seen what's occurred?
(38:30):
Because I can tell you, ifMelissa, my partner, hadn't seen
it, she wouldn't have been asterrified as she was for the
next two years.
Yeah, it's a good point for thenext two years, because had she
not seen it, she wouldn't haveknown.
But to see African males on yourdoorstep dressed the way they
are, and we know that that'swhat it was because we can
clearly see her, knowing thatshe was terrified.
(38:52):
And I was still working 24-7then, I was still doing night
shift.
She was terrified, sleeping withlights on, every noise was was
terrifying.
And she's brave, but she was.
I just asked people, do you wantto know?
Is it worth knowing?
Because it's not going to saveyou.
SPEAKER_06 (39:07):
It is a good question, and and I don't have
an answer to that because it andeverybody might have a different
view of case.
Of course, of course they do.
SPEAKER_05 (39:14):
Yeah.
Um, it's great, it's a greatinvestigative tool because if
someone's been there and they'vegot into your car, got into your
house.
The other thing that I did wantto say, and I'll discuss this
with you on air, and justquickly, um, anyone that's got a
key that is a push button tounlock your car, buy yourself a
Faraday box or a Faraday wallet.
Now, a Faraday wallet, it's justlike a little wallet that you
put in your drawer or in yourkitchen or whatever, and you put
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your keys into that and it stopsthe electromagnetic field so
that it stops the offenders fromusing repeaters.
Um that because what they can dois stand at your front door and
use a repeater from your fromwhere your keys are in the house
to your car.
Um, they use those repeaters,but with a Faraday box they
can't use it.
SPEAKER_06 (39:55):
And it seems that it's the high end, and I don't
know whether I'm reading this,but uh your Porsche BMW's Audi
and so on in the VolkswagenGroup.
SPEAKER_05 (40:04):
Yep.
SPEAKER_06 (40:05):
They seem to be the ones that presumably are
targeted because they know thatthey can get reasonably easy
access access to those.
Correct.
Yep.
We've got to do this when wecome back.
Uh your calls, Roger Sutherlandis here.
I'm Tony Mack, AustraliaOvernight.
Thank you, Roger.
The hour goes too quickly.
People can contact you uh at aunderscore.
SPEAKER_05 (40:24):
Healthy underscore shift.
I beg your pardon.
That's an Instagram.
But everything's on the website,ahealthyshift.com.
And don't forget the podcast,Ahealthy Shift, it's on all the
platforms.
SPEAKER_06 (40:33):
There you go.
Nice word to say.
Thanks for having me.
See you in a couple of weeks'time, mate.
Roger Sutherland, uh, a regularcontributor.
Australia overnight.
Come in join us.
It is a little night shifter.
Roger Sutherland is from WellNight Shift slash a healthy
shift.
Have a look at the website.
ahealthyshift.com.
(01:56):
You can also have a look at theInstagram.
It's everywhere.
It's everywhere.
A healthy uh A underscorehealthy, is that right?
Correct.
A underscore healthy underscoreshift.
Yes.
Is that the only one you coulduh get?
I think I'm gonna have to changeit.
Yeah, it's just it's busy.
It's all busy.
Healthy shift podcast on allplatforms.
(02:17):
It is absolutely how manylisteners?
SPEAKER_05 (02:19):
Um we're getting about a thousand listeners a
week.
Not even not even close to the Iknow.
Not as that's why I like cominghere.
SPEAKER_06 (02:27):
That's right, because you for the first time
have an audience.
I have an audience on doublethree.
693 is our telephone number.
We'll talk all things to do withlighting.
We're going to talk about uhslip gigs.
Ring call bells.
And the mere fact that you arenow exclusively dressed and you
look amazing by Henry Bucks.
SPEAKER_05 (02:51):
Yes, Henry Bucks.
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (02:54):
Well, you said you bought a beautiful new coat.
SPEAKER_05 (02:56):
No, no, I no, I was gonna buy one from Oxford.
It's a$500 coat and it wasreduced to 191.
And you said, well, there's abargain.
I asked Melissa, she said spoilyourself, and I didn't.
So you had to said no, Iprobably wouldn't have would
have done it.
So you need permission?
No, I did not.
No.
I don't need permission at all.
I just needed someone, somecoaxing.
(03:17):
Some endorsement.
So I needed some endorsement.
Yeah.
I wanted her to say, oh, thatwould look fantastic on you.
SPEAKER_06 (03:23):
No, that feeling.
I know that feeling.
Uh come and join us uh whereveryou are, right around Australia.
Anything you want to raise onthe programme, uh we can have a
chat about anything uh when thegreat man is here, that is Roger
Sutherland.
Certainly issues around law andorder, uh, it is important to
everybody, so we can look atthat.
But certainly it's about thosethat work shift work.
(03:45):
Now, you might be a shift workeras we speak.
You might be a driver, you couldbe an ambo, you might be an
officer uh serving in SouthAustralia, serving in WA,
serving in Victoria, uh anywherearound Australia for that
matter.
Uh you might be uh someone who'sheading into supermarkets and
getting the uh stores cranked upand ready to go uh for the next
(04:06):
day.
Uh there would be people uh ashift working right across the
airport listening.
SPEAKER_05 (04:11):
Everyone industry, private industry working
overnight.
We forget about taxi drivers,Uber drivers, people working at
the airport, uh emergencyservices, frontline health.
I mean, frontline health won'tbe listening to the radio, but I
want to challenge anybody else.
We won't identify who you are,but if you want to call up and
just say and give us a yell,because I put it on my Instagram
(04:32):
story today, who's on nightshift.
I had about 40 people say thatthey're on night shift.
So what about people give us ayell?
Send us a text or give us acall.
SPEAKER_06 (04:41):
133693 come and join us.
Uh I don't know whether Wade.
Now, is your name Wade Kingsleyor are you Wade from Kingsley?
SPEAKER_04 (04:52):
Hi, Tony.
No, it is Wade Kingsley, and uhwe used to work together a very
long time ago.
SPEAKER_06 (04:57):
Wade Kingsley, when I saw that name come up, I
thought is it Wade who lives atKingsley or Wade from uh
Kingsley?
Uh Wade, you are a radio guruand you never rang me, you never
ever uh called, you never sentflowers anymore.
What happened to ourrelationship, Wade?
We liked each other.
SPEAKER_04 (05:14):
Uh we did, Tony.
We had a good time.
We worked at 5AA back in late1990s, I'm gonna say.
I was very young back then, Iwas only into my early twenties,
and I'm turning 50 next year, sothings have changed a fair bit.
SPEAKER_06 (05:28):
Get away.
Uh after running what, a coupleof networks.
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
Yeah, I was at the Nova Network for a long time.
Uh and now I mostly do a lot ofradio consulting work.
I think it would amaze yourovernight audience to think that
there are people who can make aliving out of consulting radio,
but yes, it can happen.
And um it's great to hear yourvoice on the airwaves.
I love your jingle to start theshow, too.
SPEAKER_06 (05:51):
That's very kind of you.
Uh so how do you think we'retraveling based on what you've
listened to so far, Wade?
Uh, what would you give it a bigtick, or do I have to go to a
production meeting, anannouncers meeting, or worse
still, a program director'smeeting?
SPEAKER_04 (06:05):
Well, no, my memory of you, Tony, is you're quite
creative.
So I don't think you would loveuh meetings very much.
I'm not sure you're a meetingskind of guy.
I think that the word meetingwould probably put you off.
SPEAKER_06 (06:16):
Well, we used to always gag about uh meetings.
We the story about meetings wasuh uh winners, uh losers go to
meetings or winners go to lunch.
SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
That's right, that's right.
And and if my memory serves,you're a very good at lunch.
SPEAKER_06 (06:31):
You're very good, boy.
What else is happening in theword way in the world for you?
SPEAKER_04 (06:35):
Well, I lived down on the Mornington Peninsula in
Victoria now.
Um we did a little sea changedown there before COVID.
Um my wife, who I actually metat 5AA, uh her name is Souze,
and she was writing commercials,and I was uh a talk pack
producer, as you know.
And we met and uh we thentraveled the country a bit
together through radio and nowhave a couple of teenagers and
(06:57):
live down on the beautifulmorning visiting from Victoria.
SPEAKER_06 (07:00):
Oh mate, how the school fees are going.
SPEAKER_04 (07:03):
Yes, that's why I'm still working tonight.
School fees.
I absolutely didn't mean tohijack your first segment, but
I'm actually uh driving backfrom the airport in Melbourne to
home, and I'm never normally upat this time, but I know you
shot me an email and said let'scatch up.
So I thought what better way tocatch up than on the radio?
SPEAKER_06 (07:25):
Live uh broadcasting.
Wait, it's a thrill to hear fromyou.
I'm glad you uh touch base, anduh I promise you at some point
we will break bread.
SPEAKER_04 (07:33):
Well, uh let's go to lunch.
How about that?
No meeting.
SPEAKER_06 (07:36):
I'm loving your work for that.
Uh uh Do you have a do you havea card these days, or is it a
thing of the past?
SPEAKER_04 (07:44):
Oh, like a business card?
Is that what you meant?
SPEAKER_06 (07:46):
No, a card to pay for lunch.
SPEAKER_04 (07:48):
Oh, I well you notice I can I artfully dodged
that, Tony.
I don't think beautifully, but Iuh I went the other way.
So we could we could clearly Ithink we could use the uh
Australia Overnights creditcard.
That works well.
SPEAKER_06 (08:01):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Good on your cover.
Nice to see you.
Wade Kingsley, who uh greatradio person uh and was pretty
young as he mentioned uh back inthe days of the city.
He's got the voice for it,hasn't he?
Yeah, gifted and talented, andthen went on and did amazing
things uh as a senior exec uhfor the Nova Network and turned
that into a a bit of ajuggernaut.
SPEAKER_05 (08:21):
But I ask a question.
What is a f what does he sayhe's f consulting, radio
consulting?
What does that do?
What do you do when you're aradio consultant?
SPEAKER_06 (08:27):
You know, what they what a consultant does, as you
well know, is uh they grab uhsomebody else's watch and tell
them what time it is.
SPEAKER_05 (08:37):
Okay.
Pretty much.
Beautifully done.
SPEAKER_06 (08:39):
Uh are you familiar with Wade Kingsley's work?
Um I'm not sure.
The name kinda rings a bell, butyeah, I'm not sure I am.
I thought you were looking for arole maybe at Nova.
Something came up, Jackson.
Uh I thought you were gonna saysomething.
Oh no.
Uh gotta go.
Gotta fly.
Uh we'll do this break.
I've got to stay to the time,Wade.
(09:00):
Don't I?
Uh 133693.
It is Australia Overnight.
We'll reconvene.
Come back in just a tick, uh,come and join us for Australia
Overnight.
Good morning.
One of the big conversations inthe last week or so.
Uh you would have seen this,Rog, uh mum's, dad's
grandparents, and how you thelittle tackers to go to sleep
historically.
So we thought we'd fling thatopen to the listeners.
(09:21):
Uh in the day, uh, how did youget youngsters, particularly
during daylight saving in thispart of the world, uh, how did
you get little youngsters to goto sleep?
It can be a real challenge formum and dad.
And I know it was for us at thatstage.
Uh we had a property in Ballaratrunning a motel as well as doing
other projects.
Uh, and uh Jamie G just wouldnot go to sleep.
(09:44):
Uh and so it became a real issueand puts an enormous amount of
uh stress on uh family uhbecause come seven o'clock,
eight o'clock, nine o'clock, uhand a little thing called
Fenergin came in to uh be ahelp.
But you say that's not the wayto go.
SPEAKER_05 (10:01):
No, the b what one of the things that we've got to
understand about this, which isreally important, is people
younger younger people have whatwe call a later chronotype.
So they naturally go to sleeplater and they naturally get up
later.
And there's a big campaign toactually change the hours of
schools so that instead ofpeople starting school early,
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they actually start school laterand finish later.
I don't wonder that.
Why do we start at 8 30 or 9o'clock?
Well, it's ridiculous becauseteenagers are in their sleep
phase at that stage, and it'snot because they go to bed late,
it's because their chronotype,as in their normal type, has
them going to sleep later.
And we go through stages.
So when we're young, reallyyoung, like up until we're about
(10:43):
10, we go to sleep earlier, weget up earlier, and then from 10
onwards, we then start to go tosleep later, and then we wake up
(12:13):
later.
And that's our prime schoolingyears, and yet we start school
at 8.30, or we've got to be upat 7 to get to school at 8.30.
This is where children reallystruggle because their brains
are not even switched on by thatstage.
So we should be starting schoolat 10, 11 o'clock, and then
going through until six.
You're talking primary school atthat's a good thing.
All through, right through.
SPEAKER_06 (12:33):
Yep.
SPEAKER_05 (12:33):
And so even though we're not going to be able to
I'm gonna say later, later whenthey're over ten, yeah, right,
would be better.
For the teenage years for later.
Certainly VCE kids.
VCE kids shouldn't be at schoolat 8 30 in the morning.
Their brains are not even turnedon by that stage.
It's it's outrageous.
Just write that.
And that's why they're writingthat down.
SPEAKER_06 (12:49):
VCE kids' brains don't turn on till lunchtime.
SPEAKER_05 (12:52):
Well, it well it it we've got to understand this
circadian rhythm and learningthat we need to be in this
proper cycle for us to be ableto function properly.
And this is what we talk aboutwith children not sleeping,
we're forcing them.
The one thing that we have tonot do, and it's imperative that
we do not do, is medicatechildren to sleep.
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Or anybody, because you're notactually asleep.
SPEAKER_06 (13:16):
No, very good.
Hardy, when you uh when youfinish, when you knock off, do
you go straight to sleep?
SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Good morning, Kanye, Roger, and uh Jackson.
Not right away.
I've got a bit of insomnia, souh adjusting their 40 years off
shift work as you know, it's noteasier to sleep right away.
SPEAKER_05 (13:34):
But you can change that, Arthur.
You you you can literally I knowyou say you've got insomnia, but
the insomnia is actually createdby the light exposure, and you
can phase shift that withearlier light.
SPEAKER_02 (13:48):
Well, seeing daylight savings, I'm not a fan
of it, but I'm adjusting betternow.
I'm adjusting so I can go tosleep a bit earlier because I've
seen a bit of daylight and I'muh kind of you know forcing
myself naturally to do that.
Just a question though that uhTony brought up the uh clock
card.
I used used it when I wasdigging in security, just to
(14:08):
think of it.
The log on logoff punch card.
Yeah, probably still got themthere.
Did you use them in the policestations as well?
The uh time clock.
SPEAKER_05 (14:16):
Never no, never never used the time clock in
well.
I started in 1984, and no, therewas no time card then.
SPEAKER_06 (14:23):
Well, how'd they know when you lobbed in and
lobbed out?
SPEAKER_05 (14:26):
Um I'm pretty sure the sergeant would have known
that you were there.
Yeah.
So you you and you did a timesheet.
You you manually wrote a timesheet.
And here's a here's a funny onefor people.
If you worked the divan, youticked the div van box and you
got an extra dollar ten for it.
A dollar ten.
A dollar ten for working the divvan.
(14:46):
When I started, you just got anallowance the div van being the
divisional van.
If you were out on the truck,out on the divisional van, yeah,
um, you would put down workingseven oh seven hundred and you
wouldn't put the finish timebecause you could get overtime,
but you would tick the box thatyou were going out working on
the van, and if you were outgoing on the van, you get an
extra dollar ten as an allowancefor working on the van in 1980.
(15:07):
Yep.
SPEAKER_06 (15:08):
A dollar ten for the day or a dollar ten for the
hour?
SPEAKER_05 (15:10):
No, for the shift.
An extra dollar ten for theshift.
No, but and if it was a if yougot overtime and it was a
12-hour shift, it was still adollar ten, but it was an
allowance.
And they remove that allowance,so they don't get a div van
allowance now at all.
No.
So what about a lunch break?
No lunch break, it's called mealat post.
So you eat whenever you can,which is a problem.
(15:30):
Yeah.
Because you may not get to eat.
Which is you say that likethat's common.
It's common.
Very common, very common for umparticularly today, Tony,
because the van crews, thedivisional van crews, are
running from one job to thenext, or they're tied up away
from their stations.
Like with mental health patientsat hospitals, or they um they
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they could be tied up withoffenders and executing warrants
and then going from one to thenext.
You know, no no one logs off togo and sit down and oh, it's
it's dinner time and and havesomething to eat.
You try, but no, it doesn'thappen that's the same.
SPEAKER_06 (16:05):
So we are in uh Perth, a little uh uh little
street uh just off the freewayin Perth near uh what they call
Polly's Pipe, Polly Farmer'sTunnel.
Uh and the there's a whole lotof couples that go in there on a
regular basis.
And sometimes it could be eight,ten, fifteen or more.
The cars are all parked outthere, all bikes out there, uh,
particularly on a lateafternoon, a Saturday or Sunday,
all having a coffee.
(16:26):
And people might think, what'sgoing on here?
But it's probably the only breakthey get for the day.
Correct.
And they all just happen to turnup around that same time.
SPEAKER_05 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, and they turn up there and that they use
it as that forced get together,because otherwise I don't get a
chance to even communicatebecause it's so busy.
SPEAKER_06 (16:41):
Uh Helen, you wanted a question about MyGov we
mentioned earlier with DennisWalter on the programme here on
30W in Melbourne.
SPEAKER_00 (16:48):
Hello, Tony.
Yes, only in that I've I heardreference to it before and I
don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_06 (16:53):
Uh you should download the app.
I'm surprised you haven't gotone, uh Helen.
Have a look at the MyGov app.
Uh they know your every move.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
And I don't know what an app is and I don't have
a phone.
SPEAKER_06 (17:04):
Oh, well, that's going to be a little tricky for
you then.
Uh what about do you uh have acomputer?
SPEAKER_00 (17:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (17:10):
Uh so you uh what is my gov?
What do you have?
SPEAKER_05 (17:13):
Well it's for uh every Australian Medicare?
Um your health insuranceeverything's all on myGov.
Um MyGov is basically the homeof your ID.
SPEAKER_06 (17:23):
Yeah.
So uh they know uh you know uhwhat you eat medical.
What time you go to bed.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
Uh when they were set up, wouldn't they have
contacted all Australians andintroduced themselves?
SPEAKER_05 (17:34):
That was an issue.
They did not.
No, they didn't.
No, they didn't.
They just set it up and housedeverything there because
everyone went over to that.
Helen is an issue.
Uh but everyone has to use it.
You have to use it for businessto go through myGov.
You do it for your own taxthrough.
Your group certificate is nowparked on MyGov as well.
You know, your your groupcertificate from work.
Um superannuation is is ineverything.
SPEAKER_06 (17:55):
Everything's through it's all linked through my gov.
Yeah, and you can do thatonline.
So if you type in my gov, and ifyou're not registered, uh
register, and you'll besurprised uh some of the
benefits of uh checking out on asemi-regular basis, Ellen.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (18:10):
It's short for my government.
Yeah, my government.
My government.
SPEAKER_00 (18:14):
Lovely government.
SPEAKER_06 (18:14):
Yeah, my government.
A lovely govern.
My gov.
It's called MyGov.
SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
Thanks, Tony.
SPEAKER_06 (18:18):
Good on you, Helen.
Keep in touch.
Let us know uh what you think ofit, uh, because people may have
a different opinion uh of it.
Well, the bomb app the bombcopped it, didn't it, this week?
What was that about?
It's copped it on radio allweek.
It has.
Well, I'm and I'm surprisedexcuse me.
I'm not surprised.
I'm really interested, I think.
How many people uh go to my tomy gov uh uh go to bomb uh to
(18:43):
have a look at the weather?
SPEAKER_05 (18:44):
Right.
And who said who sat there whenthey sat around the table and
went, Oh, this is it, this isfantastic.
Oh, for the website.
SPEAKER_06 (18:51):
Yeah, for the website.
Who did that?
Didn't work out well uh ChrisBrody morning.
SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Hello uh Tony Mac and Roger.
Um look uh things are quiteningdown at this end of Broadbellows
uh after the event, both Fridayand Saturday night, only 250
meters.
Well, it's taken golf terms ortwo, was it uh specifically have
the order tunnels all theFridays that they should not
(19:17):
before the machete attack for acrowd of four thousand people.
SPEAKER_06 (19:20):
And so I um I have got uh correspondence and re
replies from uh government housefrom the governor of Victoria
and the the Department ofPremier and uh I saw that you
said that through, and uh underthe legislation, under the rules
and regs, uh it's not reallyanything they can help with.
SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
Yes, it is.
Uh it is everything's on thetable now, whether we I suggest
uh cutting out all nightlifts ornot too to give much needed rest
of recreation to the lawenforcement, coincide with some
restrictions, some purpose, evenif this is not in place, or even
martial law, bringing themilitary alongside the police
just to just to quiet thingsdown so the police can could do
(20:02):
their usual rounds, do theirshits, and go home for much
needed rest of recreation.
SPEAKER_06 (20:07):
Uh rest and recreation was uh was that very
important?
Was that was that givenpriority, Roger?
Roger Sutler?
SPEAKER_05 (20:13):
I think the at the moment.
I um we've had this discussionbefore, Tan.
I I don't agree with themilitary being involved at all,
right?
I think the government has toresource and support and have
the police doing that job.
I I just don't like the look ofthe military out there doing the
job that the police should bedoing.
It'll there'll be blurred lineseverywhere there with that, and
I don't think that's a good ideain any way whatsoever.
(20:35):
I can understand why peoplewould think it, because they
think everyone would be scaredof the military, but the
military are gonna have theirhands tied so much with what
they can and can't do.
The job is the job of thepolice.
They're the ones that aretrained to do the job, they're
the ones that need to beproperly resourced, and they
need to have them out there andvisible, because this is one of
the biggest problems today.
I I drove in tonight and wasshocked when I actually saw a
(20:57):
police car when I was on my wayin.
I was driving along and all of asudden I realised I was
following a police car.
You don't see that.
You just don't see police carsaround.
You don't see them not as many.
You don't see them parked on theside of the road these days with
a radar going or set up with thethe tapes across the road.
SPEAKER_06 (21:13):
Because why?
SPEAKER_05 (21:14):
There's not there isn't any.
SPEAKER_06 (21:15):
We should point out we're talking about uh
essentially in Victoria, butit's the same the state right
across the room.
SPEAKER_05 (21:20):
I would imagine it would be much the same
everywhere because I know I knowWest Australia are on their
knees as well.
Their union is campaigning veryhard at the moment.
SPEAKER_06 (21:28):
They're looking for people.
SPEAKER_05 (21:29):
Yeah, they are, and South Australia is in the same
same situation as well.
I commute with the commutecommunicate with all of these
agencies up and down the EasternSeaboard as well as across the
country, and it is a realproblem with staffing issues and
how short they are and how busythey are tied up doing paperwork
for jobs.
Now, uh Mike Bush, the newchief, is horrified at the
(21:51):
amount of paperwork and therepetitive nature of what the
police here in Victoria areactually doing.
Having come from aninternational agency coming in,
he's looked at it and gone, Thisis so backward, it's outrageous.
Crazy.
And he's trying to fix it.
Um and you know, credit wherecredit's due, he's getting rid
of the people upstairs, youknow, overgovern over he's
(22:11):
looking internal before he looksoutside.
I think that's a real credit tohim as well.
SPEAKER_06 (22:15):
So but but all that paperwork's still got to be
done.
It's not as if that's not gonnabe done.
The people who are best to dothat uh have been up until
recently or more recently havebeen serving offices.
Well do you bring lay people inuh where do you get those
people?
Are they sufficiently skilled touh do that job that is so
important to certainly forprosecution?
SPEAKER_05 (22:36):
I I don't have I I don't have inside intel.
I have certainly been told thatthere will be a lot of jobs that
will go to what we call unsworn,which are like um people who
work in the police departmentwho are not sworn officers going
out doing the job.
They're the people that are insupport staff.
Um prosecutions is one of theareas that could very easily end
(22:57):
up as unsworn.
Um there's a quite a number ofareas.
I I wouldn't want to be in anoffice down the road here at the
VPC, the Victoria Police Centre,um, in one of your Heidi Hole
offices round the corner.
Because I wouldn't mind bettingMike Bush will come knocking on
your door one day and sayingyour job doesn't exist anymore,
um, or you're being replaced bysomeone who's unsworn and you
can go back out on the road.
(23:19):
And they they won't go.
They won't go back out on theroad, they'll leave, and he's
apparently his attitude is verymuch along the line of see you
loader.
SPEAKER_06 (23:28):
Commissioner of the police here in Victoria.
Uh no idea what you're talkingabout.
Between Morwell, Terelga, andmultiple cars side of the road,
and the cameras uh always downthat way.
SPEAKER_05 (23:36):
But the cameras are not the police.
It's very important peopleunderstand that the cameras are
not the police at all.
SPEAKER_06 (23:41):
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Tony Mackett is AustraliaOvernight.
Good morning to you.
Awkward.
Uh for those that uh uh thatthat watch streaming for
Australia Overnight, uh weunderstand uh that it for
whatever reason uh it's likelast week we had some issues
with the uh text line goingalong beautifully.
Uh but we understand that itdoesn't seem to be streaming at
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the moment.
Uh but we've got a uh team ofpeople, although having said
that, I'm waving, so there issomething uh there.
Uh one double I'm waving again.
Uh 133693 is a telephone numberif you'd like to be part of the
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Come and join us.
Where are we going?
Lee Ann, say hello to Roger.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_03 (24:18):
Good morning, Roger.
Jackson, uh yes, Jackson andJune.
SPEAKER_06 (24:23):
We're all here.
SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
Um two things.
Uh my gov is basically yourchanneling, your Medicare, all
of it, your ATO, NDIS, and youcan look up government services
for Helen.
Uh if you can't find anything insections in each each payment
that you can look up what youneed like payment, it's actually
(24:45):
quite good.
SPEAKER_06 (24:47):
Yeah, we use it.
Yeah, it's great.
SPEAKER_03 (24:52):
I'm averaging four hours to sleep in the getting to
the bedroom to go to sleep.
SPEAKER_05 (25:00):
Getting to the bedroom.
SPEAKER_03 (25:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (25:09):
I was just gonna say, what is the resistance that
you actually have to that land?
There's obviously a reason whyyou don't want to go into the
room.
SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
I have no idea what it is.
Because I was I did a lot ofnight work too, but I just I I
mean, I sit up listening to youguys.
I mean, yeah.
Sometimes I fall asleep.
SPEAKER_06 (25:30):
Sometimes, but um, which particular which
particular segment would yousend you to sleep?
SPEAKER_03 (25:37):
No, not you.
Sometimes I fall I might not beI might not listen and I'll be
following in and I'll fallasleep.
What about if I'm on my phonelike a it's got the screen on
it?
SPEAKER_05 (25:46):
Okay, now the one of the biggest problems that you've
got, Leanne, is is you're notready for sleep.
You're not ready for sleep,which is the reason why you're
not actually going into the roomand going to bed because you're
not ready.
And that comes from that bluelight exposure that you're
actually getting from looking atthe TV, looking at the screens
with the lights on overhead.
But dim all dim all your lightsfrom early, right?
(26:08):
Start dimming your lights.
Only have like a little lamp onwith a little like interview.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (26:12):
Just like Yeah, I have the kitchen like light
coming into the back room withno light on.
SPEAKER_05 (26:18):
Okay, and what about because you listen to the show,
what about if you go and lie liein bed and listen to the show on
the radio while you're lying inbed in the darkness?
SPEAKER_03 (26:28):
Actually, it's funny you say that.
I could do that because I've gota Google Nest in there.
SPEAKER_05 (26:33):
Well, perfect.
Just ask Google, just tell justsay to Google to stream 3OW,
because it does that.
I do that all the time.
And ask it, put a timer on itfor one hour and turn it off,
and just lie in bed and listento it on very low volume in the
dark.
And I'll tell you what I wantyou to do, Liam.
I want you to breathe in, putyour hand on your stomach,
breathe in through your nose forfour for a count of four, and
(26:56):
into your hand, breathe downinto your hand, and then I want
you to breathe out through yournose for a count of eight, and
keep doing that while you'relistening to the radio in the
darkness.
You won't last five or sixcycles.
SPEAKER_06 (27:08):
You promise.
So the entire Australianaudience now could be doing that
uh and and and then we have nocalling.
No, only Leanne was listening.
All right.
Well, thank you, Leanne.
Uh let us know how that goes.
133693 is our telephone number.
For those sending text 0477 693693.
(27:28):
And for our wonderful listenersin WA 133882.
And the email, there's a lot ofstuff really, email
overnightsplural at 3aw.com.a.
You we were talking aboutlighting.
How important is lighting?
Because you've just changed yourentire home lighting.
SPEAKER_05 (27:48):
Yeah, what I've done is um today I've had all those
low voltage LEDs removed fromthe roof of my house and I've
swapped them over for what wecall a bio light.
In the ceiling, yeah.
In the ceiling.
It looks identical.
And when you turn the light on,it looks like a normal white
light.
Um, and it's during the day andit's got the correct amount of
blue in it.
(28:08):
We as Australia.
SPEAKER_06 (28:09):
Why do you need the light on during the day?
SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
Well, if you do, because well I can tell you why,
because research is showing usvery clearly now that we're
spending more time indoors thanwe are outdoors, and we need
daylight.
We don't need and a lot ofpeople are indoors.
Now being indoors and having thecurtains open advice is not
enough.
We absolutely have to beoutside.
Now, let me just explain.
When you've got the lights oninside your house, it's
(28:34):
approximately 500 lux of light.
500 lux.
Now we need much more than thatto actually stimulate that
circadian rhythm and get usaway.
And what a lot of people do, andthis is where we had a lot of
trouble through COVID, peoplecame out of their bedrooms, sat
in the kitchen, working in thekitchen, went back into their
bedrooms, they were nevergetting any daylight, right?
(28:55):
And that daylight is at 10,000lux.
Even on an overcast day, that10,000 lux of light is actually
what is resetting our circadianrhythm and telling our diurnal
system this is where we're at intime and space.
So now we know.
So it suppresses the sleephormones and it fires up the
cortisol and gets us up andabout and ready to go during the
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day.
And this is a lot of problem, alot of the reason why prob uh
older people have troublesleeping at night because they
don't get the daylight duringthe day at all.
They're sitting inside.
So the lights that I've justchanged at home provide a full
spectrum blue light during theday, which is equivalent to
daylight outside, so it'sbright.
And then at night you turn thelight off and back on again, and
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it's got zero blue in it.
Still light, it's got zero bluelight in it.
And it So how does it work soyou turn it on?
Turn it you turn the light onand it comes on normal light.
And then when it gets to theevening, like once the sun goes
down, once the sun goes down,you turn it off and turn it back
on again, and it comes on withzero blue light in it.
They're very, very good lights.
(30:02):
They're expensive, but they'rethey're very good.
When you say expensive.
But what price do you put onyour health?
You see, this is the price.
What uh$75 each?
Each?
Yep.
$75 each.
For a globe.
unknown (30:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (30:15):
For yeah, but they're a bio light.
They are a health light.
For how long do they uh last?
Who knows?
No idea.
But an LED light in your roof,when was the last time you
changed an LED light on yourroof?
Ever.
Never.
Right?
So that's what I'm saying.
I don't know.
And the LED lights What peopledon't understand is when we had
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incandescent light, we had agood light.
We had a healthy light, it hadinfrared, it had the blue, it
had the all the differentspectrum of light in it.
But now we have gone these lowvoltage LED lights that have got
zero infrared, not enough bluein them during the day, which is
less than 20%.
They've got greater than 2% LEuh blue light in them at night.
(30:58):
And what it's doing is ourcircadian rhythm is confused.
And this is why we are fat, weare sick, we are suffering from
poor immunity, we havecardiovascular disease, we don't
sleep at night, we are snacking,we get cravings, and we're
suffering from more cancers thanever because of the exposure to
artificial light at night.
SPEAKER_06 (31:17):
And you've got to imagine uh I'm not an expert,
but you've got to imagine thatsomehow it's all linked in.
It can't not possibly be.
SPEAKER_05 (31:26):
Well, I can tell you categorically in hospitals,
research shows that if you areon the side of the hospital
where the sun rises, you will beout of hospital quicker than
when you're on the side that thesun sets.
SPEAKER_06 (31:36):
Uh G'day, Tony Mack and Roger, listening to Roger.
Uh great radio.
Wish you would come on more.
Uh kids these days have troublegetting off to sleep.
They're in bed by 8 30, takeshours and then to fall asleep.
Any recommendation says nursing.
SPEAKER_05 (31:48):
Yeah, well, once again, it's light exposure.
They're not ready to sleep.
They need to have that zeroblue.
And when they're in bed forthose hours to fall asleep, what
are they doing?
And the question I would askevery single person listening to
this show right now if you holdyour arm outstretched and your
hand and you can see your handin your room while you're
(32:08):
sleeping, while in your room tosleep.
It's too light.
It's too light.
Full stop.
If you can see your hand at youroutstretched arm.
Even during the day.
Yeah, well, while you'resleeping during the day or
night.
Anytime you're trying to sleep,if you can see your hand
outstretched, it's too light.
How do we solve that?
A sleep mask.
Or roller shutters.
We've got to get rid of alllight.
(32:29):
Any light is triggered.
We have clocks in all externalcells in our body.
SPEAKER_06 (32:33):
Uh text here says, uh, Tony Mac, I do the opposite
to the Great Leanne.
I do everything in my bedroom.
Don't watch the telly.
Well, no, I don't watch thetelly, I've got to say.
But I am in the bedroom nightafter an early dinner.
I rest, I chill, uh I drinkmyself into a No, I just made
that bit up.
I drink coffee in the bedroom.
SPEAKER_05 (32:53):
Can't rest in the rest of the house.
Can't rest in the rest of thehouse.
So what's happened is Thisperson ha uh um has associated
their bedroom with rest, whichis a good thing.
It's a relaxing, calm place.
SPEAKER_06 (33:08):
You know, even what your bed looks like.
SPEAKER_05 (33:10):
Oh, totally.
The environment of that room.
Totally.
It's part of your sleep hygiene.
Stand at the door to yourbedroom and look at your bed.
Is that somewhere where not atsix o'clock in the morning when
you get home, Tone, right?
Yeah.
But is that somewhere where youwant to go and rest and sleep?
And your bed is for only threethings that start with S.
One's sleep.
(33:31):
The other one's sickness.
SPEAKER_06 (33:32):
Yeah, there you go.
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (33:33):
And the third one.
SPEAKER_06 (33:34):
133693.
G'day, Tony McRoger.
Love the program.
I totally agree with him.
He told the lady before, liedown, listen to the show.
It's the best way to fallasleep.
Sleep.
Sleep.
You're getting sleepy.
You're getting very, verysleepy.
Do you make the bed everymorning?
SPEAKER_05 (33:51):
Every as soon as I get every morning.
As soon as I get out, make itstraight away.
SPEAKER_06 (33:55):
Do you have uh lots of Manchester on the bed?
Melissa has her hundreds ofpillows on the bed.
SPEAKER_05 (34:01):
Cushions and pillows.
Why do they do that?
What is that about?
I don't know.
I don't know.
What is it?
No idea as well.
And we keep every time I go andhave a look at it, there's
another one.
And I think Where do that wheredo that come from?
Why and why is it there?
SPEAKER_06 (34:13):
And how often do we uh flick the sheet?
SPEAKER_05 (34:15):
Flick sheet.
You don't change them.
Oh, every Sunday.
Sunday's wash the sheet day.
Sunday wash the shoot.
We have tail Tuesday and we washthe sheet.
We wash the sheets on everySunday.
Tails on a Tuesday.
It's Tail Tuesday.
And sheets on a Sunday, yep.
Routine.
Every week.
It's routine.
SPEAKER_06 (34:30):
Routine will set you free.
Yes.
It is Australia Overnight,wherever you are.
Nice to have you company.
For those that are waiting, uhwe'll get to some calls in Just
a Ticker.
Thank you.
The idea of we see them on thenews, they're heavily used on
the news services given thecurrent set of circumstances
right across Australia, whereyou see these uh bogans uh or I
(34:53):
like to call them dicks who turnup at your front door, uh much
of which is captured uh by thedoorbells that rings.
And they're common up uh seem tobe.
Somebody's doing really wellafter uh having a pretty quiet
time with them, and they becomeuh obviously on a lot of
properties, uh which is sad thatwe need 'em.
(35:13):
Uh that's just uh by way ofcomment, I guess.
Here's the thing in terms ofinvestigation, are they helpful?
SPEAKER_05 (35:20):
Uh yes, they're very helpful.
Um I just showed you the videoof when we had the Ekberg at our
place.
Um and out of that vision theywere able to identify certain
clothing traits, and from thatthey were able to identify one
of the offenders.
Um just fantastic detectivework.
He was holding a 7-Eleven cup,and they went to the 7-Eleven
(35:41):
and saw the vision and matchedthe clothing without just
fantastic work.
SPEAKER_06 (35:46):
So when we got hit, they were able to look at the
particular person who was theoffender, and they could tell by
the walk.
In other words, they knew theyknew who the defender was
because of the walk.
Because of the way this personwalked.
SPEAKER_05 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.
They know that.
Um, and that that comes down togood.
And see, we underestimate whatthe detectives know.
Everyone's very critical of VicPaul um in relation to these
Agbergs and why aren't theydoing more?
But they're looking at thesegoing, they know who's critical.
You say you're not going to beable to do that.
Oh, the public, the public.
Oh, on social media they do copit a lot, right?
(36:21):
But they're I I think the publicare now realizing that a lot of
it is um that the police aredoing their job, they're being
let down by the courts or thegovernment.
I think people are on board withthis now.
Um bail's become a big topic ofdiscussion.
SPEAKER_06 (36:33):
Let down by government.
SPEAKER_05 (36:35):
Yep.
But um going back to thecameras, um that occurred at our
place at 3:30 in the morning,right?
And we woke up and we had ringalerts on my mobile phone.
Because I put my phone on do notdisturb, as you probably do as
well.
Otherwise, the alerts drive youabsolutely crazy, right?
And you should, because sleep'sgot to be far more important.
(36:56):
And I woke up and I looked at myphone and there was ring alerts,
and I looked at the cameras andI I saw the vision that I've
just shown you, and I freakedout.
Like your heart just stopsbecause you think someone's at
your door.
I jumped out of bed and ran tothe front door, and our uh
security door was open, but theother door was the solid wood
door was still closed.
They tried it um and didn't getin.
(37:18):
Now, had we not have had thatring camera, I wouldn't have
even known that occurred.
I probably would have come homeand thought, oh, we left the
security door open and left itat that.
I honestly believe people putthese cameras on because they
want to see things.
Cameras don't save you.
The the Lord Mayor's come outand said we're putting more
cameras in Melbourne, we'regonna put more cameras in the
CBD, we've got camerasmonitoring Rundle Mall, we've
(37:40):
got cameras monitoringeverywhere.
Cameras don't save you.
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (37:44):
Stephen said on 3 AW Breakfast makes the point you
can't have enough cameras.
SPEAKER_05 (37:47):
I I don't disagree.
You can have cameras everywhere,but cameras don't save you.
They don't provide that safety.
The the girl that was stabbedwas on camera, it didn't save
her, right?
Um, they don't save people, theydo provide a level of safety for
people that don't want to getcaught, but they're wearing
these masks now.
You know, they're wearing masksand hoodies, and they don't care
(38:09):
because there's no consequencefor the action.
Now, my argument would be forpeople that are contemplating
buying a ring doorbell camera orputting ring cameras around
outside, and ring won't likethis or Amazon won't like it.
But the bottom line is do youwant to know?
Lock your house up, but do youreally want to know that
someone's been there and you'veactually seen what's occurred?
(38:30):
Because I can tell you, ifMelissa, my partner, hadn't seen
it, she wouldn't have been asterrified as she was for the
next two years.
Yeah, it's a good point for thenext two years, because had she
not seen it, she wouldn't haveknown.
But to see African males on yourdoorstep dressed the way they
are, and we know that that'swhat it was because we can
clearly see her, knowing thatshe was terrified.
(38:52):
And I was still working 24-7then, I was still doing night
shift.
She was terrified, sleeping withlights on, every noise was was
terrifying.
And she's brave, but she was.
I just asked people, do you wantto know?
Is it worth knowing?
Because it's not going to saveyou.
SPEAKER_06 (39:07):
It is a good question, and and I don't have
an answer to that because it andeverybody might have a different
view of case.
Of course, of course they do.
SPEAKER_05 (39:14):
Yeah.
Um, it's great, it's a greatinvestigative tool because if
someone's been there and they'vegot into your car, got into your
house.
The other thing that I did wantto say, and I'll discuss this
with you on air, and justquickly, um, anyone that's got a
key that is a push button tounlock your car, buy yourself a
Faraday box or a Faraday wallet.
Now, a Faraday wallet, it's justlike a little wallet that you
put in your drawer or in yourkitchen or whatever, and you put
(39:36):
your keys into that and it stopsthe electromagnetic field so
that it stops the offenders fromusing repeaters.
Um that because what they can dois stand at your front door and
use a repeater from your fromwhere your keys are in the house
to your car.
Um, they use those repeaters,but with a Faraday box they
can't use it.
SPEAKER_06 (39:55):
And it seems that it's the high end, and I don't
know whether I'm reading this,but uh your Porsche BMW's Audi
and so on in the VolkswagenGroup.
SPEAKER_05 (40:04):
Yep.
SPEAKER_06 (40:05):
They seem to be the ones that presumably are
targeted because they know thatthey can get reasonably easy
access access to those.
Correct.
Yep.
We've got to do this when wecome back.
Uh your calls, Roger Sutherlandis here.
I'm Tony Mack, AustraliaOvernight.
Thank you, Roger.
The hour goes too quickly.
People can contact you uh at aunderscore.
SPEAKER_05 (40:24):
Healthy underscore shift.
I beg your pardon.
That's an Instagram.
But everything's on the website,ahealthyshift.com.
And don't forget the podcast,Ahealthy Shift, it's on all the
platforms.
SPEAKER_06 (40:33):
There you go.
Nice word to say.
Thanks for having me.
See you in a couple of weeks'time, mate.
Roger Sutherland, uh, a regularcontributor.
Australia overnight.
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