November 12, 2025 • 43 mins
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We honour Detective Leading Senior Constable Dave “Stevo” Stevenson and talk frankly about why so many people feel unsafe at home. From gang history to social media bravado, we unpack consequence, culture, parenting, and what practical fixes might work.
• My tribute to Dave “Stevo” Stevenson and the blue family
• Roger’s career highlights including K9 work
• callers on VCE stress and late-night fear
• then versus now on gangs, weapons, and public risk
• culture, parenting, and community leadership accountability
• bail, prison capacity, and deterrence ideas
• social media and group offending dynamics
• practical home safety and when to call triple zero
• support for overworked police and body-worn cameras
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SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
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SPEAKER_03 (02:01):
Roger is the founder of the Healthy Shift, a veteran
law enforcement officer.
How many years now?
40.
You got away with 40.
I got away with it.
And then after that, they said,that's it, you're done.
No, I did that.
You said I'm done.
Was the best part of that a VicPol for you would have been
working with those beautifulpolice dogs?
SPEAKER_09 (02:19):
Uh it was absolutely.
For 17 years I did that.
SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Yeah, and there's a lovely photo that somebody's
just found of you, uh, a formercolleague, presumably, who sent
you uh with one of those veryearly puppies uh for which you
were responsible uh in a uhhelicopter.
SPEAKER_09 (02:34):
Yeah, one of the it was a photo that was sent
through to me today by a um uhone of the members at the police
air wing who was going throughsome photos in his locker.
He's a historian, was goingthrough some photos in his
locker, and he sent me thisphoto and I nearly fell out of
the chair when I saw it.
It's a picture of me with myfirst dog back in 1993, yeah,
(02:55):
sitting in the back of thehelicopter about to take off to
go and patrol.
SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
Amazing.
Do we ever look at um the haircolour from those days?
SPEAKER_09 (03:03):
We try not to.
SPEAKER_03 (03:04):
We try not to.
But it isn't funny to do that.
SPEAKER_09 (03:09):
Yeah.
Um we've got the hair colour.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
Yeah, we do.
We've got the hair colour.
The tribute this is uh youmentioned this to me, and I
thought, well, we should uh talkabout this because it's the sad
loss of uh one of the favouritecolleagues that you had at Vic
Pol.
Yeah, uh detective leadingsenior constable Dave Steve O.
Steve.
SPEAKER_09 (03:31):
Yeah, we um we lost uh um Steve O during the week in
very tragic circumstances.
And um Victoria Police lostprobably one of their most
outstanding members.
He was such he was just loved byabsolutely everyone.
Now, I've written a bit of atribute here, I would actually
(03:51):
like to read.
Um that it's a tribute to alongtime friend.
Um Vic Pole lost one of itsfinest and most loved members
this week, Detective LeadingSenior Constable Dave, Steve O.
Stevenson, 31694.
Steve O did 27 years in VicPole.
Um he loved his motorsp and hehad just returned from overseas
(04:14):
having attended the Malaysian umMoto GP, and he suffered a
health issue, and um he's beenlost to not only his mum, dad,
and wife, his immediate family,but the great big blue family
out there as well.
And I can assure you thatthey're really hurting.
And if there's one thing thatpeople don't realise is once
(04:37):
you've been part of the policeand you have someone who a
colleague who you've actuallyworked with alongside and you
are very fond of, uh, when youget this news, it rocks you to
the core, even though you maynot have had contact for some
time.
Now I know that there'sliterally absolutely hundreds of
police members out there thatare absolutely heartbroken out
(05:00):
in the East.
Um, and we just want you to knowthat we all stand with you in
grief.
Um Steve O was a highly regardedand a very, very much loved
member, and I feel so blessedthat not only did I work with
Steve O as a colleague, but itwas as unique as it was, he also
(05:22):
worked with my daughter um inhis role that he was in, which
was really fantastic.
And I remember my daughtertelling me that she was working
with him, and he called herlittle Southey, and um, and he
was highly thought of.
And I just want to say, VailSteve O, um, geez, you will
really be missed.
And I I'm just um our hearts goout to the family of everyone
out there.
SPEAKER_03 (05:43):
Indeed.
Uh it is a very sad time, but uhyou did that beautifully.
Well done.
I know it's not easy.
Uh we will take some uh calls aswe go through the morning
together, whilst the great manis here with us.
Uh you can choose to jump onboard.
133693.
Justin, kick it off for us.
Justine, rather.
Good morning.
Look who it is.
Uh, where have you been?
(06:03):
Is everything okay?
SPEAKER_12 (06:05):
Everything is fine.
I have a son who's got two moreexams.
He's doing VCE, so I've had tobe very quiet in the evening
hours.
SPEAKER_09 (06:15):
Stress in your home.
A lot of stress in your home atthe moment.
SPEAKER_12 (06:19):
A lot of stress, and he's the last all his friends
are finished, so he's still gottwo more to go, and it's so
painful for him because he's hadenough of studying.
SPEAKER_03 (06:28):
How do they go with sleeping?
SPEAKER_12 (06:31):
Oh no, he's a good sleeper because he does a lot of
exercise, but you just have totiptoe around, you've got to
make sure there's plenty of foodin the house.
You've I mean, oh, there's suchpressure on them, it's
ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03 (06:42):
Yeah, well, we've all been there done that at some
point.
Just a different era, I guess.
SPEAKER_12 (06:48):
But I heard you talking to Dennis about bras,
and I was about to turn off theradio.
Oh, I'd had to ring in and justsay hello in all my live.
SPEAKER_03 (06:58):
Well, it's good to know you.
It's always good to know you'rethere, and I thank you very much
for the r that.
Uh when's the final exam?
SPEAKER_12 (07:05):
Uh he's got one tomorrow and then next Tuesday.
So all his mates have finishednow, so he's got another two,
and then after next Tuesday,then they go to Byron Bay, and
then I, you know, stress aboutthat.
SPEAKER_03 (07:17):
Then they go, that's something else about which you
can stress.
Byron Bay, what could possiblygo wrong?
Huh?
Byron Bay.
Roger.
Byron Bay, what could possiblygo wrong?
Not a thing.
SPEAKER_12 (07:29):
No, no, no.
No, no, Byron Bay is goodbecause it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah, great.
Absolutely.
It's really good.
SPEAKER_12 (07:35):
Have another son.
I have been through this with myother son.
But the younger son doesn'tdrink as much as the older son.
I'm actually Oh, Tony.
SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
God, you live with that.
You live with that.
That's fine.
Excellent work.
Good to talk to you.
Thank you.
Chris Brody, good morning.
SPEAKER_08 (07:53):
Hello, Roger.
How are you?
SPEAKER_09 (07:54):
I'm very well, Chris.
SPEAKER_08 (07:55):
Yeah, I'll try not to spread words.
I mean, I made mistakes when Iwas young, Roger, but uh, I've
turned the corner over manyyears, and um, yeah, we're we're
really in a bit of a uhdifficult situation here in the
state district of Broadman.
Um Yeah, I put it to the localbroadband for the police I said
look at pretty short there'sindustrial action on and uh
(08:16):
simply must the honourabledistrict and the governor of
Victoria's honourable professorto the honourable bank.
But we're in a difficult thingthat uh even though I'm 61 and I
am a traditional broad employee,um we were only probably days
away from probably sadly havingto uh make a drastic call for
(08:37):
arms uh to protect our ownsuburbs.
SPEAKER_09 (08:41):
Oh I I don't agree with that.
Uh we've had this discussionbefore, I think, and I don't but
we feel like we need to though,don't we?
This is the problem.
We feel like we need to protectourselves, and when we feel like
that, then something's gonewrong in the system in a very,
very big way.
SPEAKER_03 (08:58):
The previous program made the point with Dan uh here
on 3AW in Melbourne.
Uh apologies to everybody at 5AAand Adelaide and the Ace Radio
Network and 6PR.
Uh is does the fact that this uhis being portrayed in sections
of the media on a daily basis,sometimes hourly, depending on
what you're watching, hourlybasis, and the reporting,
(09:19):
they're reporting.
So any little bugger that's sortof thinks there's a chance he
might get away with it isabsorbing all this with friends
and go, oh, you know, well,look, they're telling us you can
get away with it.
Nothing happens.
SPEAKER_09 (09:31):
No, they're they're living it.
Nothing happens.
No, but they're living it tone.
They're not the ones that arelistening to the media and
watching the TV and things likethat.
They're so busy.
On their Facebook.
SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Yeah, but they go, Oh, Fred got off, we'll get off.
SPEAKER_09 (09:43):
Oh, that's right.
No, that's true.
That's absolutely well when Isay that's true, it's on
Facebook, so it must be true.
Um the the bottom line is thatit they are mixing in circles
and seeing what's happening toall of their colleagues.
They're happy to film it andthey're happy to do it.
There's no consequence.
And when there's no consequenceis a problem.
Now, Chris raises a point.
We, as the members of thepublic, now feel like we have to
(10:07):
protect ourselves.
And that's not the job of thepublic.
The public shouldn't have toprotect themselves.
They should feel safe in theirenvironment all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (10:17):
Wasn't there always uh issues in various suburbs
around Australia that were hotspots, known hot spots.
Certainly was in Melbourne.
Absolutely.
Sure, they would have been inAdelaide, you certainly would
have been in Perth in the day.
SPEAKER_09 (10:31):
Yeah, see, you know, we talked about the gangs.
I can vividly remember in theCBD of Melbourne around the time
when I was growing up, that theyhad the Lebanese tigers running
around in town, you know.
Um that was a gang that wasrunning around.
We were terrified in in town,just in case the Lebanese tigers
they used to walk around withblack jackets on with a Lebanese
a tiger on the back of it, um,bearing colours.
(10:53):
And the Broadie boys uh weren'ttalking about.
And the Broadie boys?
The Broadie boys weren't talkingto the Mulvern boys.
No, and Sunshine and theSunshine Boys, and and yeah,
they were on buses and andthings like that travelling.
So what's changed?
Uh I I I think the lack ofconsequence for it, it wasn't as
severe as it is now.
Like they used to, you you getoff a bus and like the Broadie
boys would get off the bus inthe city and and go and box on
(11:15):
with a group of people and thenleave, and then you know, and
then the next bus would go outto broad meadows and so it would
be on again.
And I know that that sort ofthing went on.
SPEAKER_03 (11:23):
So they didn't just come in for a Chinese meal and
go home again.
SPEAKER_09 (11:26):
Well, no.
No, they would No.
No, they didn't.
But the thing is, they weren'tpulling machetes out and slicing
each other up with machetes andfighting.
I think But there were knives.
There was, but there wasn't theincidence of stabbings back then
that there is today.
It's just common now, so common.
(11:46):
And I I always say, and let'stake out of it the the stabbing,
when I say take out of it.
If you're holding a knife, I canunderstand why someone would
carry a knife to protectthemselves, right?
You carry a knife, but to takeit's a big decision to plunge
that into another human body,isn't it?
Like when you think about it,it's a huge decision to make.
Maybe I'm wired differently, butI I Most of us are wired
(12:09):
differently.
SPEAKER_03 (12:09):
Well, majority of us are wired, you're not going to
do that.
So it's a few that are uh takingthe risk.
SPEAKER_09 (12:15):
Well 1100 at least that the Vic poll know about.
We saw Mike Bush come out andsay that.
SPEAKER_03 (12:20):
He did.
The the point of that is why arethat why are those people so
inclined?
What's going on in the world?
What's happening that they growup in a community that goes, oh,
uh what will this is what we'lldo.
Is it cultural?
I don't know.
That's why I'm at that's why I'masking.
We'd ask the audience 133693.
(12:41):
If it's cultural, what are theparents doing?
(14:05):
If it's cultural, you've got totake the parents out.
What are the leaderships?
What are the leaderships insidethose community groups?
SPEAKER_09 (14:13):
Oh, I totally agree with that because they come out
and say, Oh, he's a good boy andthey're nice kids and all the
rest of it.
But the bottom line is theoffending is severe and we can
see who it is and what they'redoing.
There's massive problems.
So, what are the leaders doingin relation to it to try and
work in and fix it?
That's that's one of the biggestproblems that we have.
SPEAKER_03 (14:32):
There's a lot of them too.
All right, we'll do this.
We'll come back, take yourcalls, 133693.
I'm Tony McManus.
Roger Sutherland is here,long-serving police officer, 40
plus years.
Uh, and we'll also talk aboutthings to do with uh shift work
at some point.
133693, come and join us.
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SPEAKER_03 (15:40):
Let's have a look at the uh text line there, old son.
Uh Roger, Roger, Roger.
Uh Tony Mack.
I'm a regular listener to you asalways.
Keep up the great work uh andalways.
But my request is can you pleasehave Roger on the programme a
little more often?
Uh he's very, very good.
SPEAKER_09 (15:57):
That's very kind, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
Uh Jack, good on you, Jack.
Thank you.
Uh morning, Tony and Roger.
Please find your close a littlesomething I wrote.
Uh sympathy is quietunderstanding, a gentle presence
that listens without fixing,stands beside pain without fear,
reminds us we're not alone.
It's the warmth of one heartrecognizing another ache,
offering comfort, not throughwords, but through the steady
(16:22):
kindness of simply being there.
Excellent.
Good on you, Dave.
It's very nice.
Thank you, Doug.
Uh I grew up in uh St Albans theentire nineties, and trust me,
knife crime was not new.
Yeah.
You would have been exposed to alot of that, surely.
SPEAKER_09 (16:37):
Yeah, well, we were I I honestly I don't recall
that.
I don't recall the knife crimeand that.
We were busy running aroundafter like the Flemington crew
with their armed robber, theywere doing the armed robberies
on the banks back then, yeah.
Um, which was all all cut out.
So we had that was type of agang, I guess, at that time.
But um it's it's good thatcallers call in or text in and
(16:59):
tell us about stuff like that asa reminder.
Otherwise we go, oh no, itwasn't like that back in my day.
SPEAKER_03 (17:05):
But it was.
Yeah, it was.
And and I think we we should,and that's not that's not to
forgive what's going on now, butit's a reminder that some of it
is historical as well.
Totally.
Uh 133693, RD morning.
SPEAKER_14 (17:21):
Good morning, Tony Mac, Roger, and Simon.
Yes, you should be on more andcondolences to your colleague, I
think.
Yes, thank you.
Roger, I wanted to ask you, youdo you remember the sharpies and
the skinheads in the dance?
SPEAKER_09 (17:36):
See, there's another group.
That's true.
Yes, that's right.
SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
And and historically they clashed, but not in a
violent way of like.
SPEAKER_09 (17:45):
It was box on.
It was fisticuffs, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (17:48):
With blokes.
SPEAKER_09 (17:49):
Yeah.
But but Artie, do you youremember the Lebanese tigers and
things like that as well?
SPEAKER_03 (17:55):
Is he still there?
Artie's disappeared, hasn't he?
He's gonna we've lost him forsome reason.
Uh but yeah, so just remind usthen.
I don't know what happened tothe side.
SPEAKER_09 (18:03):
Well, we had the the the there was the boneheads as
well.
The bone boneheads, theboneheads, the boneheads, the
skin heads, there was the um thesharps.
Was it the Frankston Sharps?
I think they were down fromFrankston, right?
I'm trying to remember.
Well, yes.
Um the punks as well.
We went through that stage aswell, the punk punk era.
(18:25):
Um, yeah, I know.
It's it's an it was aninteresting time.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
Well, history, history is an interesting time.
Uh, for whatever reason we lostyou, uh Artie, you were you were
in the middle of saying.
SPEAKER_14 (18:35):
Yeah, look, they I didn't get touched by the uh
Lebanese Tigers, do you knowthough?
Some of them were martialartists and uh consequences
would occur like um they justknew a bit of history, like I
don't go looking forward to, butI've dealt with a lot too in the
security game, and uh the firstuh attempt at armed robbery I
had a gun to my head at a FootSquare 7 Eleven store, and thank
(18:57):
God we uh you'll probablyremember that, Roger.
I was the security managerthere.
SPEAKER_09 (19:03):
You know why they're called 7 Elevens, don't you?
Oh yeah, this will be good.
Seven out of eleven of them gotheld up.
SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
There goes another, yeah, there goes another client.
133693 our telephone number.
Barry on mobile.
Good morning to you, Barry.
Uh uh sorry, where are we going?
Sorry.
Oh, it just dropped.
Uh Barry, we're gonna have aword with you, but you've
disappeared.
Uh 133693 is our telephonenumber.
Look at all these uh texts.
We'll get to them in just amoment.
(19:29):
Uh Justin, good morning.
SPEAKER_10 (19:32):
Morning, guys.
Um, just want to start off bysaying um I love your um
thoughtfulness to your formercolleague there, Roger.
Um, I actually lost my great,great granddad as a free topic
as well too quite real to yourlost while too.
SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Thank you.
Uh very kind of you.
SPEAKER_10 (19:51):
Yeah, it was it was um I didn't actually get to see
him before he passed away.
I was only about four or fivemonths of passed away.
So, um yeah, but I just wantedto ask you, um with learner
license, um when they expire,can you renew them or can you go
(20:13):
for your peak tape or your umfull license?
SPEAKER_09 (20:18):
That's a question I honestly cannot answer.
I I honestly I do not know theanswer to that with your
learners, because your learnersgo for a period of time, but I'm
not someone that would know yourarea of expertise.
It's not my area of expertise.
It was back in the day, but notnow.
I don't know.
I'm not up to date withlearners' permits and crossing
over into P plates.
SPEAKER_03 (20:39):
Uh somebody will know.
Uh jump on board, let us know.
133693 is our telephone number.
You can also send a text.
We'll get to them in just atick.
Uh Trev, morning.
Hello, is that Tone?
That's the one, Trevor.
It's Tony speaking, and RogerSutherland is here as well.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Yeah, well, I I was listening to you talking about
games and things like that.
SPEAKER_04 (21:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
Uh I mean, I I came in as a migrant in 1986.
And back then there was no fearof uh problems or anything going
on.
But now I'm I'm I'm I'm now 65and I am now worried.
I've got an electric gate, I'vegot cameras, I've got everything
(21:24):
to try and protect myself.
SPEAKER_09 (21:26):
So you've you've grown up, if I can just say, so
you've grown up, even though wehad gangs around like the
Sharpies and and the LebaneseTigers and things like that, you
weren't in fear in your ownhome, were they?
They were doing their own thing.
SPEAKER_02 (21:39):
That's right, yeah.
Back back in the eighties andnineties, there was no worries
about it.
SPEAKER_03 (21:48):
Lost him.
Going beautifully with ourphones here this morning, let me
tell you.
Uh humble apologies.
We'll do this, we'll see if wecan sort it out.
133693 should point out that foruh people travelling inbound on
the monash, thank you for thiscaller.
Inbound on the monash, weunderstand there has been a uh
crash uh just before the eastlink turnoff.
(22:11):
So those coming in from, say,uh, you know, that Clyde Road
area, in from the uh that areacoming into town.
Uh a it seems to be based onwhat we're hearing, a car has
become uh off-road and has beena crush just before the East
Link turnoff.
If you see anything, let us know133693.
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SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
Yeah, a big fan.
SPEAKER_09 (23:07):
But I didn't go this time, I saw them last time.
Good.
Fantastic.
Yeah, memorable.
Very it's a very memorable, it'sa big show, and it's a very
memorable show.
SPEAKER_03 (23:17):
What's interesting coming, I said to Dennis Walter
of 3AW just in the last hour,uh, coming in, and as you go
into the tunnel, uh you couldsee the MCG in the distance and
the light coming from the top ofthe stadium.
Phenomenal.
SPEAKER_09 (23:32):
And I heard Dennis saying as well that people were
ringing up and reporting it fromQ.
They could hear it in Q.
Yeah, I know.
Well, can they though?
SPEAKER_03 (23:39):
Maybe they were hearing the neighbour playing
trying to match it.
The queue was uh the sounds ofsilence.
Trev, hello, we're back.
I think we've got you back tothe back.
SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
Yeah, we're back.
SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
You were saying.
SPEAKER_02 (23:51):
Yeah, I was saying about how how much uh crime is
starting to affect Melbourne.
SPEAKER_09 (23:56):
Yes.
Um because you were talkingabout how eve you've started to
batten down the hatches at homenow, which is something that you
never had to do years ago, isthat right?
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
That's correct, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (24:08):
So you've you you don't feel safe anymore, but you
felt safe even back then witheverything that was going on.
And Tony, that's the differencetonight.
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:16):
Trev, where did you where did you grow up?
In uh which part of the UK?
SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Uh Coventry.
SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
That's right.
So uh Coventry, wow, that was aperson.
So there was a time whenCoventry had uh challenges.
SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Uh not not too bad when I was growing up in the
60s, 70s.
Um we had a lot of trouble inIreland.
Remember that?
When I was.
SPEAKER_03 (24:38):
Yeah, of course, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
Um, but um no, I I had a pretty good childhood,
very good.
Uh I I met an Australian couplein Corfu.
Um that's what made me come toAustralia.
SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
Uh so you studied Corfu?
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
No, we were on holiday in Corfu.
I think it was an Australiancouple in Corfu.
SPEAKER_04 (25:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
And they said you gotta come to God's own country.
And I came here for a holidayand then uh decided to migrate.
Um got in, um, and we migratedin 1986.
So I've been here 39 years.
SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
39 years, and you sound like you've uh just
arrived.
Yeah.
Good on your tri good on yourtrip, sorry.
Thank you.
In Croydon, hello, Chris, goodmorning.
SPEAKER_06 (25:37):
Morning, gentlemen.
Morning.
Uh I think you're underplayingthe seriousness and regularity
of what's going on these dayscompared to back in, say, the
70s or 80s.
I mean back in the 70s andeighties, it was generally, as
you said before, gangs on gangs,Roddy Boys, Sunshine, or I I
grew up in Pasco Bale and andyou know we we had quite a few.
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But there was generally a reasonbehind it.
It was arranged and it was outof public eye.
And and not you know, we wedidn't have the home invasion,
we didn't have the carjacking,we didn't have four or five four
or five teenagers with machetes,um targeting a person, targeting
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one person to to to rip them offand and leave the people leave
innocent people, so devastatedas uh as is happening these
days.
SPEAKER_09 (26:29):
Yeah, I I totally agree, Chris.
SPEAKER_06 (26:32):
And you go back in those days, and if you're in the
job back then, as you know,you'd stick a size 11 up a up a
kid's coit, drag him home to hisparents, and 99% chance he would
never offend again.
These days they don't give arodent.
SPEAKER_09 (26:45):
I was speaking to my colleague, uh my colleague that
I work with literally about thattoday.
That if you got spoken to by thecops back then when you were
growing up, terrified, no way,no way would you go home and
tell your parents because youwould have got it again, and you
would also got punished at home.
Whereas now they're down at thecop shop making complaints in
relation to it and and it'sbeing accommodated.
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And that's one of the biggestproblems that we have today.
But Chris Chris makes a reallyvalid and a really good point
here.
It was all sorted out amongstthem.
It didn't involve innocentmembers of the public ever.
Didn't ever.
Unless someone stuck their nosein.
SPEAKER_03 (27:29):
So what what's is it uh goes to then the casualness
is it the right word?
SPEAKER_09 (27:37):
It's a lack of care, I think.
SPEAKER_03 (27:38):
Lack of care.
SPEAKER_09 (27:39):
Just it's a lack of consideration, care, or um it's
just it it we're not it's a lotof it's not being reported.
Like I'm speaking to a lot ofpolice.
When I say not being reported,we're hearing stuff on the
media.
But a lot of it like I knowVancouver's and that that are
just going from one to the nextevery night.
They're just flat out, or flatout doing jobs and dealing with
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them.
And I just want to make thispoint as well, which is I think
is a really important point tobe made at the moment.
These police are working to thebone at the moment.
They're really working hard, andthey catch these offenders who
laugh at them the whole time.
They have to show control, theyhave to then um they have to
then interview them, do all thepaperwork for them, and 90% of
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the time the offender is backout on the street before that
officer is back home.
SPEAKER_03 (28:28):
Yeah, which is an issue.
Uh morning, I grew up in the60s, 70s, Tony Mac and Roger,
and yes, there was rival gangswho fought amongst each other,
and also the conflicts of thewars.
Remember the I mean that was awhole different culture as well.
Exactly.
Uh but you never heard themattacking families in their own
homes or carjacking women andkids in cars, correct.
Mainly amongst themselves.
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Correct.
So what's w if if anybody canlet us know, what shifted,
what's the change, what's theIt's cultural in my book.
It's cultural.
A consideration around theirnation of his of arrival of
origin.
Okay.
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Barry and Reservoir.
Hello, Baz.
Morning.
SPEAKER_11 (29:14):
Oh, good fellas.
Enjoy your show very much.
SPEAKER_03 (29:16):
Good on your right.
SPEAKER_11 (29:17):
Thank you, uh Barry Rather.
You know, there is a cure toMelbourne's crime situation.
And it is no building uhprisons, out in the country you
have a bar buyer, sell whatever,and bungalows.
And when they commit a crime,they're in there for two years
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only with their phone.
And they walk around thebungalow at their exercise, no
commitment to anyone else.
And they get out of there andthey're thinking I'm not coming
back here.
And if they do come back, it's adouble sentence, say it's two
years you get.
If you come back, it's gonna befour years.
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And if they do this, I'll tellyou what, it will c completely
mullise crime in Melbourne.
SPEAKER_09 (30:11):
Oh, I've got another solution.
For every offender that you'rewith, like if there's one of
you, then you get the singlepenalty.
If there's two of you, then it'sdoubled.
If you get if there's three ofyou, it's tripled.
Wow.
If it's four of you, it'squadruple.
There it is.
Because the more of you thatthere are together, then the
more of the longer the penaltythere is.
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Because if you think about it,the more people that enter
someone's home, the moreterrorizing it is.
SPEAKER_03 (30:37):
Yeah, good point.
It's a really good idea, Rog.
Uh Barry, thank you very muchfor that.
We'll go to uh Dave in just amoment.
The point of that is given givenall the wealth in the world, or
in Australia in particular,available to them, whether
they've got their telephone, uh,they've got their computers, uh,
we are a great sporting nation.
You can go and kick a footy, youcan play a round ball game, you
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can play tennis, all the things.
There would be a zillion thingsavailable to young people.
Why do they then, why do theyfeel so disenfranchised?
I don't know.
Nobody's been able to tell me.
SPEAKER_09 (31:10):
No, I don't know.
But I do think it's just anybodyasked.
Um I don't think they wouldknow.
You you could ask them and theywouldn't know.
They wouldn't know.
SPEAKER_03 (31:19):
They wouldn't know.
SPEAKER_09 (31:20):
They're so self-interested and they
wouldn't know why they do whatthey do.
Self-absorbed, self-interested,self-absorbed, and there's no
consequence for doing whatthey're doing, and they get
encouraged by their friends onsocial media.
That's the thing.
Yeah, social media has a lot toanswer for which to answer, I
agree.
SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
Uh now, Dave, you're driving back from uh the MCG,
how was it, and where are you inthe traffic conditions?
SPEAKER_05 (31:42):
Yeah, no, I'm driving back.
Look, it was unbelievable.
I'm not a massive fan.
I was actually working theretonight, but um look, that was
high voltage rock and roll tothe point of race.
But they were unbelievable.
The energy they brought to theshow was um you know 10 out of
10.
The the volume, like you said,was popping off the scale.
SPEAKER_09 (32:04):
Yep.
SPEAKER_05 (32:04):
Umbelievable for their age.
They really put on the screen.
SPEAKER_09 (32:09):
How amazing is Angus Young at 70 years of age doing
what he does on stage.
SPEAKER_05 (32:18):
Yes, yeah, it was unbelievable.
It just helped uh help theaudience captive.
Um he probably walked three lapsto the MCG doing his playing his
solo, but um you know, yeah,since they were as sharp as they
were in the 80s, I reckon.
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_09 (32:33):
Now tell me, oh last time I saw Ray C do see, in
between songs, they were offstage for an extended period of
time.
But like they do two or threesongs and then they'd be off
stage, and everyone said thatthey were on the oxygen tanks.
Right?
Was that obvious tonight or not?
SPEAKER_05 (32:51):
No, I looked on for probably um 15, 30 seconds, not
so long.
Okay.
Um Think the same thing, but no,look um yeah, good band.
SPEAKER_09 (33:01):
Just a really good Aussie band, aren't they?
SPEAKER_05 (33:03):
They were great.
SPEAKER_03 (33:04):
That's fantastic.
Great call.
They go behind the stage to useoxygen tanks.
Oxygen tanks.
Yep.
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If you're at and about, give usa call.
Uh let us know uh who, how, why,where, and when.
It's all part of Australiaovernight.
Tony McManus is here.
Roger Sutherland, uh,long-serving member of Vic Pol,
Victoria Police.
You can join us.
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Text line, uh, as I mentioned,uh, lot of people have comments.
We'd love the calls as well.
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Uh, there's one there from Damonwho says the parents of uh
teenage offenders, where arethey?
Uh and I just wonder whether ornot uh communities have got
together as communities and saiduh to uh senior members of uh
whatever the communities are,you know, what's going on?
(33:50):
What do we have to do?
How do we what value can we addto turn the so-called cultural
instinct around, the culturalperspective around?
SPEAKER_09 (33:59):
But the cultural the cultural perspective comes from
the parents as well.
Like they're the ones that arebringing this in, and now but
I'm not saying that they'reencouraging they're not saying
to the kids uh pick up a macheteand off you go.
Yeah, I know, but where havethey come from that was an
acceptable behaviour?
This is the thing.
Now the other thing, this whatwhat this text that we've got,
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where are the parents?
I see this comment all the time.
But people have got tounderstand we laugh at that.
We laugh at that because theparents, the police.
Alright, okay.
Sorry, the police, we laugh atthat because the police they
know the parents don't care atone bit, one iota.
They do not care at all.
The only time you hear from theparents is he's one of those
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poor little children areinjured, and then they come out
and say, But he's such a goodboy.
He's it he just had a badexperience.
And that's wrong, becausethey've done nothing about it
beforehand, and they throw theirhands in the air.
And a lot of these kids don'thave parents.
Don't have parents at all.
They're they're already likeyears ago, they used to be
(35:02):
called wards of the state.
They're now just um I can'tremember what they call them
now.
SPEAKER_03 (35:06):
Well, a lot of people are saying uh youth crime
home invasions escalated,increase of refugees and
immigration.
Uh that is the issue acrossWestern countries.
What is the solution,particularly in youth crime?
Bail after bail with repeatoffenders, perhaps part due to
limited capacity in our jails.
Well, that's part of it as well.
Very expensive to accommodate,uh, run and maintain.
(35:26):
Why can't we introduce verybasic facilities?
SPEAKER_09 (35:31):
Well, the facilities, you know, when we
talk about building jails, we'regonna build jails that are ex
that that are expensive andcomfortable.
Oh, hang on a second.
Like these people have madeinformed decisions as to what
they're gonna do.
You've got to feed them.
Well, yeah, I agree with that,but you've got to remember that
these people are making informeddecisions, knowing.
(35:52):
Yeah, no one's gonna tell methat a 13-year-old and
14-year-old doesn't know thedifference between right and
wrong.
That's absolute baloney, right?
They do.
Um, and the thing is, we wedon't have to build expensive
prisons for them, they're goingto jail.
And we need to protect thepublic, not protect.
I'm hearing things today aboutresearch around um, you know,
(36:14):
when people if you put them injail, you're gonna make them
worse offenders.
No, not while they're in jail,they're not worse offenders.
When they come out, they'regonna go back in.
End of story.
But we need to protect thepublic.
SPEAKER_03 (36:27):
So must come first.
So the the idea of prison onceperhaps may have been where you
go in and become rehabilitated.
That hasn't been the case, Iwouldn't imagine, forever.
SPEAKER_09 (36:36):
Research shows that that's not the case.
Yeah.
Sadly.
That's not the case, but they'resafer.
We are safer when they're behindbars.
SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
The 50s are the bodgies and the widgeys.
I don't remember them.
The bodgies and the widgeies,massive, trendy rebels.
Uh they don't compare to theviolent gangs of uh today.
Not at all.
Uh Nathan, hi, you wanted to saygood morning.
SPEAKER_02 (36:56):
Good morning, uh guys.
What do you think about thisshetty stuff?
You don't mean to put the thebig bins they put out.
What do you think about them?
SPEAKER_09 (37:08):
What do I think about the machete bins?
SPEAKER_03 (37:10):
Where you put the bins where the people are
supposed to donate the machetesinto these so-called bins.
SPEAKER_09 (37:14):
Well, who's gonna put a machete in a bin?
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Uh it's just so time-deaf.
Yeah.
Uh Sue, in summary, goodmorning.
SPEAKER_13 (37:22):
Oh, good morning, Johnny.
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
Hi, Sue.
SPEAKER_13 (37:25):
Yeah, I've had the just uh on big scare.
SPEAKER_03 (37:29):
Yeah, and that and that's the issue for many, the
to live uh feeling frightened asSue.
And that's not the that's notthe great city we know and love.
SPEAKER_13 (37:39):
Yeah, I know it is me.
I just had four police come tomy house.
SPEAKER_09 (37:46):
Just now.
SPEAKER_13 (37:48):
Yeah, just half an hour ago.
Yeah, I had um a lot of noisesand sounded like a a human
jumping over the fence and umand I heard a rattle and I heard
noises and uh I started my heartand I didn't know what to do.
(38:09):
Um I was asleep, not as you'reyou're in bed, yeah.
And I didn't know what to do, soI just ran triple out.
Yep, that's the right thing todo.
SPEAKER_03 (38:23):
And um so you're by yourself, obviously.
SPEAKER_13 (38:27):
Yeah, me and my dog.
I mean, I've got people in theunits around, but that doesn't
mean anything because everyonesleeps.
SPEAKER_09 (38:37):
So you did the right thing.
You did the right thing byringing triple zero.
That's what they're there for,and they'll take that call and
get someone to come and check itfor you.
SPEAKER_13 (38:46):
Well, I was surprised there was four of
them.
SPEAKER_09 (38:49):
Yep, that's fantastic.
SPEAKER_13 (38:50):
Uh-huh.
They came in, they went aroundthe backyard.
Good.
And uh they said, Look, we knowthings right now are worrying
people and we know that you'rewell gonna ask me, you know,
check every room in the house.
I said, Look, you can go in,come around, come in and go in
the backyard because I've got aside gate that's always locked
(39:14):
anyway.
It's my fence, we've alreadydamaged a fence.
SPEAKER_03 (39:20):
Sue, sue, sue.
Uh you Sue, I I'm pleased thatyou had the uh four officers and
uh it's an ongoing challenge anduh you know, we've all got to be
aware of some of the challengesthat we're all facing at this uh
stage.
But uh you look after yourselfand uh thank you for that very
important call.
Uh that lovely note.
(39:40):
That's sorry, Sue, go on.
SPEAKER_13 (39:43):
My son was a police officer.
Oh yeah, in um in Melbourne.
He doesn't live in Melbourne,now he's in England, but he was
in for ten years.
SPEAKER_09 (39:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (39:56):
Very good.
Well done.
Thank you for that.
Uh that lovely note, uh, where'sthat note gone, uh, Simon, from
the uh caller who rang through?
Chris spent 37 years in armoredvehicles.
Uh just wants to send sympathyto Roger and all of Steve O's.
Yeah, very nice.
SPEAKER_09 (40:12):
Yep.
Thanks, Chris.
Appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03 (40:14):
It's very kind.
Uh, Jill David Mark Lee andwe'll come to you the other
side.
It is Australia overnight.
Morning.
In excess.
In excess or AC DC.
In excess or A C D C if you hadthe choice.
In excess, yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (40:26):
All day everywhere.
I saw them live when they cameback from America.
SPEAKER_03 (40:29):
They were amazing.
With Michael Hutchins, so yeah,of course they'd have to be
there as uh with Michael.
SPEAKER_09 (40:34):
It was they were amazing band live and still
great to listen to.
SPEAKER_03 (40:39):
So the loudest band used to be Thorpey, so based on
what we're hearing, uh Thorpeyno longer would hold that title.
SPEAKER_09 (40:46):
I heard the caller called Dennis saying that he
went to Metallica the othernight and said that ACDC left
Metallica for dead.
That's a big call.
As far as as far as the volumewent.
SPEAKER_03 (40:57):
Big call.
SPEAKER_09 (40:58):
Huge call.
SPEAKER_03 (40:59):
I was awarded 7780 uh three years, uh three years
in Tirana, couple of stints inPendridge, changed my life
around 42 years ago.
After my last sentence, thesedays prison is considered a
holiday at government expense.
Youth of sport, the attitude,you can't touch me in my day,
you've got a good kick up theclacker.
SPEAKER_09 (41:18):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (41:19):
Uh Marcus Coresby says that.
SPEAKER_09 (41:20):
Yeah, that's right.
Thanks, Sergeant Cook.
I probably knew that, SergeantCook, too, I reckon.
SPEAKER_03 (41:27):
Is that what's shifted in terms of uh how how
officers are permitted to behavein doing their job?
Body worn cameras now, you see?
Uh well.
SPEAKER_09 (41:38):
It's protective both ways.
Like I I know a lot of theofficers love them.
But um anyway, what a pleasure.
Thank you so much for having metoday.
SPEAKER_03 (41:47):
Have a look at uh A Healthy Shift, the website, a
Healthy Shift, you'll find it atRogers Tovaloo.
Uh thank you.
It's always good to have you inthe studio.
It's great to be here.
We'll take more of your callsthe other side.
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SPEAKER_03 (02:01):
Roger is the founder of the Healthy Shift, a veteran
law enforcement officer.
How many years now?
40.
You got away with 40.
I got away with it.
And then after that, they said,that's it, you're done.
No, I did that.
You said I'm done.
Was the best part of that a VicPol for you would have been
working with those beautifulpolice dogs?
SPEAKER_09 (02:19):
Uh it was absolutely.
For 17 years I did that.
SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Yeah, and there's a lovely photo that somebody's
just found of you, uh, a formercolleague, presumably, who sent
you uh with one of those veryearly puppies uh for which you
were responsible uh in a uhhelicopter.
SPEAKER_09 (02:34):
Yeah, one of the it was a photo that was sent
through to me today by a um uhone of the members at the police
air wing who was going throughsome photos in his locker.
He's a historian, was goingthrough some photos in his
locker, and he sent me thisphoto and I nearly fell out of
the chair when I saw it.
It's a picture of me with myfirst dog back in 1993, yeah,
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sitting in the back of thehelicopter about to take off to
go and patrol.
SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
Amazing.
Do we ever look at um the haircolour from those days?
SPEAKER_09 (03:03):
We try not to.
SPEAKER_03 (03:04):
We try not to.
But it isn't funny to do that.
SPEAKER_09 (03:09):
Yeah.
Um we've got the hair colour.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
Yeah, we do.
We've got the hair colour.
The tribute this is uh youmentioned this to me, and I
thought, well, we should uh talkabout this because it's the sad
loss of uh one of the favouritecolleagues that you had at Vic
Pol.
Yeah, uh detective leadingsenior constable Dave Steve O.
Steve.
SPEAKER_09 (03:31):
Yeah, we um we lost uh um Steve O during the week in
very tragic circumstances.
And um Victoria Police lostprobably one of their most
outstanding members.
He was such he was just loved byabsolutely everyone.
Now, I've written a bit of atribute here, I would actually
(03:51):
like to read.
Um that it's a tribute to alongtime friend.
Um Vic Pole lost one of itsfinest and most loved members
this week, Detective LeadingSenior Constable Dave, Steve O.
Stevenson, 31694.
Steve O did 27 years in VicPole.
Um he loved his motorsp and hehad just returned from overseas
(04:14):
having attended the Malaysian umMoto GP, and he suffered a
health issue, and um he's beenlost to not only his mum, dad,
and wife, his immediate family,but the great big blue family
out there as well.
And I can assure you thatthey're really hurting.
And if there's one thing thatpeople don't realise is once
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you've been part of the policeand you have someone who a
colleague who you've actuallyworked with alongside and you
are very fond of, uh, when youget this news, it rocks you to
the core, even though you maynot have had contact for some
time.
Now I know that there'sliterally absolutely hundreds of
police members out there thatare absolutely heartbroken out
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in the East.
Um, and we just want you to knowthat we all stand with you in
grief.
Um Steve O was a highly regardedand a very, very much loved
member, and I feel so blessedthat not only did I work with
Steve O as a colleague, but itwas as unique as it was, he also
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worked with my daughter um inhis role that he was in, which
was really fantastic.
And I remember my daughtertelling me that she was working
with him, and he called herlittle Southey, and um, and he
was highly thought of.
And I just want to say, VailSteve O, um, geez, you will
really be missed.
And I I'm just um our hearts goout to the family of everyone
out there.
SPEAKER_03 (05:43):
Indeed.
Uh it is a very sad time, but uhyou did that beautifully.
Well done.
I know it's not easy.
Uh we will take some uh calls aswe go through the morning
together, whilst the great manis here with us.
Uh you can choose to jump onboard.
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Justin, kick it off for us.
Justine, rather.
Good morning.
Look who it is.
Uh, where have you been?
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Is everything okay?
SPEAKER_12 (06:05):
Everything is fine.
I have a son who's got two moreexams.
He's doing VCE, so I've had tobe very quiet in the evening
hours.
SPEAKER_09 (06:15):
Stress in your home.
A lot of stress in your home atthe moment.
SPEAKER_12 (06:19):
A lot of stress, and he's the last all his friends
are finished, so he's still gottwo more to go, and it's so
painful for him because he's hadenough of studying.
SPEAKER_03 (06:28):
How do they go with sleeping?
SPEAKER_12 (06:31):
Oh no, he's a good sleeper because he does a lot of
exercise, but you just have totiptoe around, you've got to
make sure there's plenty of foodin the house.
You've I mean, oh, there's suchpressure on them, it's
ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03 (06:42):
Yeah, well, we've all been there done that at some
point.
Just a different era, I guess.
SPEAKER_12 (06:48):
But I heard you talking to Dennis about bras,
and I was about to turn off theradio.
Oh, I'd had to ring in and justsay hello in all my live.
SPEAKER_03 (06:58):
Well, it's good to know you.
It's always good to know you'rethere, and I thank you very much
for the r that.
Uh when's the final exam?
SPEAKER_12 (07:05):
Uh he's got one tomorrow and then next Tuesday.
So all his mates have finishednow, so he's got another two,
and then after next Tuesday,then they go to Byron Bay, and
then I, you know, stress aboutthat.
SPEAKER_03 (07:17):
Then they go, that's something else about which you
can stress.
Byron Bay, what could possiblygo wrong?
Huh?
Byron Bay.
Roger.
Byron Bay, what could possiblygo wrong?
Not a thing.
SPEAKER_12 (07:29):
No, no, no.
No, no, Byron Bay is goodbecause it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah, great.
Absolutely.
It's really good.
SPEAKER_12 (07:35):
Have another son.
I have been through this with myother son.
But the younger son doesn'tdrink as much as the older son.
I'm actually Oh, Tony.
SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
God, you live with that.
You live with that.
That's fine.
Excellent work.
Good to talk to you.
Thank you.
Chris Brody, good morning.
SPEAKER_08 (07:53):
Hello, Roger.
How are you?
SPEAKER_09 (07:54):
I'm very well, Chris.
SPEAKER_08 (07:55):
Yeah, I'll try not to spread words.
I mean, I made mistakes when Iwas young, Roger, but uh, I've
turned the corner over manyyears, and um, yeah, we're we're
really in a bit of a uhdifficult situation here in the
state district of Broadman.
Um Yeah, I put it to the localbroadband for the police I said
look at pretty short there'sindustrial action on and uh
(08:16):
simply must the honourabledistrict and the governor of
Victoria's honourable professorto the honourable bank.
But we're in a difficult thingthat uh even though I'm 61 and I
am a traditional broad employee,um we were only probably days
away from probably sadly havingto uh make a drastic call for
(08:37):
arms uh to protect our ownsuburbs.
SPEAKER_09 (08:41):
Oh I I don't agree with that.
Uh we've had this discussionbefore, I think, and I don't but
we feel like we need to though,don't we?
This is the problem.
We feel like we need to protectourselves, and when we feel like
that, then something's gonewrong in the system in a very,
very big way.
SPEAKER_03 (08:58):
The previous program made the point with Dan uh here
on 3AW in Melbourne.
Uh apologies to everybody at 5AAand Adelaide and the Ace Radio
Network and 6PR.
Uh is does the fact that this uhis being portrayed in sections
of the media on a daily basis,sometimes hourly, depending on
what you're watching, hourlybasis, and the reporting,
(09:19):
they're reporting.
So any little bugger that's sortof thinks there's a chance he
might get away with it isabsorbing all this with friends
and go, oh, you know, well,look, they're telling us you can
get away with it.
Nothing happens.
SPEAKER_09 (09:31):
No, they're they're living it.
Nothing happens.
No, but they're living it tone.
They're not the ones that arelistening to the media and
watching the TV and things likethat.
They're so busy.
On their Facebook.
SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Yeah, but they go, Oh, Fred got off, we'll get off.
SPEAKER_09 (09:43):
Oh, that's right.
No, that's true.
That's absolutely well when Isay that's true, it's on
Facebook, so it must be true.
Um the the bottom line is thatit they are mixing in circles
and seeing what's happening toall of their colleagues.
They're happy to film it andthey're happy to do it.
There's no consequence.
And when there's no consequenceis a problem.
Now, Chris raises a point.
We, as the members of thepublic, now feel like we have to
(10:07):
protect ourselves.
And that's not the job of thepublic.
The public shouldn't have toprotect themselves.
They should feel safe in theirenvironment all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (10:17):
Wasn't there always uh issues in various suburbs
around Australia that were hotspots, known hot spots.
Certainly was in Melbourne.
Absolutely.
Sure, they would have been inAdelaide, you certainly would
have been in Perth in the day.
SPEAKER_09 (10:31):
Yeah, see, you know, we talked about the gangs.
I can vividly remember in theCBD of Melbourne around the time
when I was growing up, that theyhad the Lebanese tigers running
around in town, you know.
Um that was a gang that wasrunning around.
We were terrified in in town,just in case the Lebanese tigers
they used to walk around withblack jackets on with a Lebanese
a tiger on the back of it, um,bearing colours.
(10:53):
And the Broadie boys uh weren'ttalking about.
And the Broadie boys?
The Broadie boys weren't talkingto the Mulvern boys.
No, and Sunshine and theSunshine Boys, and and yeah,
they were on buses and andthings like that travelling.
So what's changed?
Uh I I I think the lack ofconsequence for it, it wasn't as
severe as it is now.
Like they used to, you you getoff a bus and like the Broadie
boys would get off the bus inthe city and and go and box on
(11:15):
with a group of people and thenleave, and then you know, and
then the next bus would go outto broad meadows and so it would
be on again.
And I know that that sort ofthing went on.
SPEAKER_03 (11:23):
So they didn't just come in for a Chinese meal and
go home again.
SPEAKER_09 (11:26):
Well, no.
No, they would No.
No, they didn't.
But the thing is, they weren'tpulling machetes out and slicing
each other up with machetes andfighting.
I think But there were knives.
There was, but there wasn't theincidence of stabbings back then
that there is today.
It's just common now, so common.
(11:46):
And I I always say, and let'stake out of it the the stabbing,
when I say take out of it.
If you're holding a knife, I canunderstand why someone would
carry a knife to protectthemselves, right?
You carry a knife, but to takeit's a big decision to plunge
that into another human body,isn't it?
Like when you think about it,it's a huge decision to make.
Maybe I'm wired differently, butI I Most of us are wired
(12:09):
differently.
SPEAKER_03 (12:09):
Well, majority of us are wired, you're not going to
do that.
So it's a few that are uh takingthe risk.
SPEAKER_09 (12:15):
Well 1100 at least that the Vic poll know about.
We saw Mike Bush come out andsay that.
SPEAKER_03 (12:20):
He did.
The the point of that is why arethat why are those people so
inclined?
What's going on in the world?
What's happening that they growup in a community that goes, oh,
uh what will this is what we'lldo.
Is it cultural?
I don't know.
That's why I'm at that's why I'masking.
We'd ask the audience 133693.
(12:41):
If it's cultural, what are theparents doing?
(14:05):
If it's cultural, you've got totake the parents out.
What are the leaderships?
What are the leaderships insidethose community groups?
SPEAKER_09 (14:13):
Oh, I totally agree with that because they come out
and say, Oh, he's a good boy andthey're nice kids and all the
rest of it.
But the bottom line is theoffending is severe and we can
see who it is and what they'redoing.
There's massive problems.
So, what are the leaders doingin relation to it to try and
work in and fix it?
That's that's one of the biggestproblems that we have.
SPEAKER_03 (14:32):
There's a lot of them too.
All right, we'll do this.
We'll come back, take yourcalls, 133693.
I'm Tony McManus.
Roger Sutherland is here,long-serving police officer, 40
plus years.
Uh, and we'll also talk aboutthings to do with uh shift work
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SPEAKER_03 (15:40):
Let's have a look at the uh text line there, old son.
Uh Roger, Roger, Roger.
Uh Tony Mack.
I'm a regular listener to you asalways.
Keep up the great work uh andalways.
But my request is can you pleasehave Roger on the programme a
little more often?
Uh he's very, very good.
SPEAKER_09 (15:57):
That's very kind, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
Uh Jack, good on you, Jack.
Thank you.
Uh morning, Tony and Roger.
Please find your close a littlesomething I wrote.
Uh sympathy is quietunderstanding, a gentle presence
that listens without fixing,stands beside pain without fear,
reminds us we're not alone.
It's the warmth of one heartrecognizing another ache,
offering comfort, not throughwords, but through the steady
(16:22):
kindness of simply being there.
Excellent.
Good on you, Dave.
It's very nice.
Thank you, Doug.
Uh I grew up in uh St Albans theentire nineties, and trust me,
knife crime was not new.
Yeah.
You would have been exposed to alot of that, surely.
SPEAKER_09 (16:37):
Yeah, well, we were I I honestly I don't recall
that.
I don't recall the knife crimeand that.
We were busy running aroundafter like the Flemington crew
with their armed robber, theywere doing the armed robberies
on the banks back then, yeah.
Um, which was all all cut out.
So we had that was type of agang, I guess, at that time.
But um it's it's good thatcallers call in or text in and
(16:59):
tell us about stuff like that asa reminder.
Otherwise we go, oh no, itwasn't like that back in my day.
SPEAKER_03 (17:05):
But it was.
Yeah, it was.
And and I think we we should,and that's not that's not to
forgive what's going on now, butit's a reminder that some of it
is historical as well.
Totally.
Uh 133693, RD morning.
SPEAKER_14 (17:21):
Good morning, Tony Mac, Roger, and Simon.
Yes, you should be on more andcondolences to your colleague, I
think.
Yes, thank you.
Roger, I wanted to ask you, youdo you remember the sharpies and
the skinheads in the dance?
SPEAKER_09 (17:36):
See, there's another group.
That's true.
Yes, that's right.
SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
And and historically they clashed, but not in a
violent way of like.
SPEAKER_09 (17:45):
It was box on.
It was fisticuffs, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (17:48):
With blokes.
SPEAKER_09 (17:49):
Yeah.
But but Artie, do you youremember the Lebanese tigers and
things like that as well?
SPEAKER_03 (17:55):
Is he still there?
Artie's disappeared, hasn't he?
He's gonna we've lost him forsome reason.
Uh but yeah, so just remind usthen.
I don't know what happened tothe side.
SPEAKER_09 (18:03):
Well, we had the the the there was the boneheads as
well.
The bone boneheads, theboneheads, the boneheads, the
skin heads, there was the um thesharps.
Was it the Frankston Sharps?
I think they were down fromFrankston, right?
I'm trying to remember.
Well, yes.
Um the punks as well.
We went through that stage aswell, the punk punk era.
(18:25):
Um, yeah, I know.
It's it's an it was aninteresting time.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
Well, history, history is an interesting time.
Uh, for whatever reason we lostyou, uh Artie, you were you were
in the middle of saying.
SPEAKER_14 (18:35):
Yeah, look, they I didn't get touched by the uh
Lebanese Tigers, do you knowthough?
Some of them were martialartists and uh consequences
would occur like um they justknew a bit of history, like I
don't go looking forward to, butI've dealt with a lot too in the
security game, and uh the firstuh attempt at armed robbery I
had a gun to my head at a FootSquare 7 Eleven store, and thank
(18:57):
God we uh you'll probablyremember that, Roger.
I was the security managerthere.
SPEAKER_09 (19:03):
You know why they're called 7 Elevens, don't you?
Oh yeah, this will be good.
Seven out of eleven of them gotheld up.
SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
There goes another, yeah, there goes another client.
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Barry on mobile.
Good morning to you, Barry.
Uh uh sorry, where are we going?
Sorry.
Oh, it just dropped.
Uh Barry, we're gonna have aword with you, but you've
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Look at all these uh texts.
We'll get to them in just amoment.
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SPEAKER_10 (19:32):
Morning, guys.
Um, just want to start off bysaying um I love your um
thoughtfulness to your formercolleague there, Roger.
Um, I actually lost my great,great granddad as a free topic
as well too quite real to yourlost while too.
SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Thank you.
Uh very kind of you.
SPEAKER_10 (19:51):
Yeah, it was it was um I didn't actually get to see
him before he passed away.
I was only about four or fivemonths of passed away.
So, um yeah, but I just wantedto ask you, um with learner
license, um when they expire,can you renew them or can you go
(20:13):
for your peak tape or your umfull license?
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That's a question I honestly cannot answer.
I I honestly I do not know theanswer to that with your
learners, because your learnersgo for a period of time, but I'm
not someone that would know yourarea of expertise.
It's not my area of expertise.
It was back in the day, but notnow.
I don't know.
I'm not up to date withlearners' permits and crossing
over into P plates.
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Uh jump on board, let us know.
133693 is our telephone number.
You can also send a text.
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Uh Trev, morning.
Hello, is that Tone?
That's the one, Trevor.
It's Tony speaking, and RogerSutherland is here as well.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Yeah, well, I I was listening to you talking about
games and things like that.
SPEAKER_04 (21:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
Uh I mean, I I came in as a migrant in 1986.
And back then there was no fearof uh problems or anything going
on.
But now I'm I'm I'm I'm now 65and I am now worried.
I've got an electric gate, I'vegot cameras, I've got everything
(21:24):
to try and protect myself.
SPEAKER_09 (21:26):
So you've you've grown up, if I can just say, so
you've grown up, even though wehad gangs around like the
Sharpies and and the LebaneseTigers and things like that, you
weren't in fear in your ownhome, were they?
They were doing their own thing.
SPEAKER_02 (21:39):
That's right, yeah.
Back back in the eighties andnineties, there was no worries
about it.
SPEAKER_03 (21:48):
Lost him.
Going beautifully with ourphones here this morning, let me
tell you.
Uh humble apologies.
We'll do this, we'll see if wecan sort it out.
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the monash, thank you for thiscaller.
Inbound on the monash, weunderstand there has been a uh
crash uh just before the eastlink turnoff.
(22:11):
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Uh a it seems to be based onwhat we're hearing, a car has
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SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
Yeah, a big fan.
SPEAKER_09 (23:07):
But I didn't go this time, I saw them last time.
Good.
Fantastic.
Yeah, memorable.
Very it's a very memorable, it'sa big show, and it's a very
memorable show.
SPEAKER_03 (23:17):
What's interesting coming, I said to Dennis Walter
of 3AW just in the last hour,uh, coming in, and as you go
into the tunnel, uh you couldsee the MCG in the distance and
the light coming from the top ofthe stadium.
Phenomenal.
SPEAKER_09 (23:32):
And I heard Dennis saying as well that people were
ringing up and reporting it fromQ.
They could hear it in Q.
Yeah, I know.
Well, can they though?
SPEAKER_03 (23:39):
Maybe they were hearing the neighbour playing
trying to match it.
The queue was uh the sounds ofsilence.
Trev, hello, we're back.
I think we've got you back tothe back.
SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
Yeah, we're back.
SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
You were saying.
SPEAKER_02 (23:51):
Yeah, I was saying about how how much uh crime is
starting to affect Melbourne.
SPEAKER_09 (23:56):
Yes.
Um because you were talkingabout how eve you've started to
batten down the hatches at homenow, which is something that you
never had to do years ago, isthat right?
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
That's correct, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (24:08):
So you've you you don't feel safe anymore, but you
felt safe even back then witheverything that was going on.
And Tony, that's the differencetonight.
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:16):
Trev, where did you where did you grow up?
In uh which part of the UK?
SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Uh Coventry.
SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
That's right.
So uh Coventry, wow, that was aperson.
So there was a time whenCoventry had uh challenges.
SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Uh not not too bad when I was growing up in the
60s, 70s.
Um we had a lot of trouble inIreland.
Remember that?
When I was.
SPEAKER_03 (24:38):
Yeah, of course, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
Um, but um no, I I had a pretty good childhood,
very good.
Uh I I met an Australian couplein Corfu.
Um that's what made me come toAustralia.
SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
Uh so you studied Corfu?
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
No, we were on holiday in Corfu.
I think it was an Australiancouple in Corfu.
SPEAKER_04 (25:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
And they said you gotta come to God's own country.
And I came here for a holidayand then uh decided to migrate.
Um got in, um, and we migratedin 1986.
So I've been here 39 years.
SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
39 years, and you sound like you've uh just
arrived.
Yeah.
Good on your tri good on yourtrip, sorry.
Thank you.
In Croydon, hello, Chris, goodmorning.
SPEAKER_06 (25:37):
Morning, gentlemen.
Morning.
Uh I think you're underplayingthe seriousness and regularity
of what's going on these dayscompared to back in, say, the
70s or 80s.
I mean back in the 70s andeighties, it was generally, as
you said before, gangs on gangs,Roddy Boys, Sunshine, or I I
grew up in Pasco Bale and andyou know we we had quite a few.
(25:59):
But there was generally a reasonbehind it.
It was arranged and it was outof public eye.
And and not you know, we wedidn't have the home invasion,
we didn't have the carjacking,we didn't have four or five four
or five teenagers with machetes,um targeting a person, targeting
(26:20):
one person to to to rip them offand and leave the people leave
innocent people, so devastatedas uh as is happening these
days.
SPEAKER_09 (26:29):
Yeah, I I totally agree, Chris.
SPEAKER_06 (26:32):
And you go back in those days, and if you're in the
job back then, as you know,you'd stick a size 11 up a up a
kid's coit, drag him home to hisparents, and 99% chance he would
never offend again.
These days they don't give arodent.
SPEAKER_09 (26:45):
I was speaking to my colleague, uh my colleague that
I work with literally about thattoday.
That if you got spoken to by thecops back then when you were
growing up, terrified, no way,no way would you go home and
tell your parents because youwould have got it again, and you
would also got punished at home.
Whereas now they're down at thecop shop making complaints in
relation to it and and it'sbeing accommodated.
(27:07):
And that's one of the biggestproblems that we have today.
But Chris Chris makes a reallyvalid and a really good point
here.
It was all sorted out amongstthem.
It didn't involve innocentmembers of the public ever.
Didn't ever.
Unless someone stuck their nosein.
SPEAKER_03 (27:29):
So what what's is it uh goes to then the casualness
is it the right word?
SPEAKER_09 (27:37):
It's a lack of care, I think.
SPEAKER_03 (27:38):
Lack of care.
SPEAKER_09 (27:39):
Just it's a lack of consideration, care, or um it's
just it it we're not it's a lotof it's not being reported.
Like I'm speaking to a lot ofpolice.
When I say not being reported,we're hearing stuff on the
media.
But a lot of it like I knowVancouver's and that that are
just going from one to the nextevery night.
They're just flat out, or flatout doing jobs and dealing with
(28:01):
them.
And I just want to make thispoint as well, which is I think
is a really important point tobe made at the moment.
These police are working to thebone at the moment.
They're really working hard, andthey catch these offenders who
laugh at them the whole time.
They have to show control, theyhave to then um they have to
then interview them, do all thepaperwork for them, and 90% of
(28:24):
the time the offender is backout on the street before that
officer is back home.
SPEAKER_03 (28:28):
Yeah, which is an issue.
Uh morning, I grew up in the60s, 70s, Tony Mac and Roger,
and yes, there was rival gangswho fought amongst each other,
and also the conflicts of thewars.
Remember the I mean that was awhole different culture as well.
Exactly.
Uh but you never heard themattacking families in their own
homes or carjacking women andkids in cars, correct.
Mainly amongst themselves.
(28:49):
Correct.
So what's w if if anybody canlet us know, what shifted,
what's the change, what's theIt's cultural in my book.
It's cultural.
A consideration around theirnation of his of arrival of
origin.
Okay.
(29:11):
Barry and Reservoir.
Hello, Baz.
Morning.
SPEAKER_11 (29:14):
Oh, good fellas.
Enjoy your show very much.
SPEAKER_03 (29:16):
Good on your right.
SPEAKER_11 (29:17):
Thank you, uh Barry Rather.
You know, there is a cure toMelbourne's crime situation.
And it is no building uhprisons, out in the country you
have a bar buyer, sell whatever,and bungalows.
And when they commit a crime,they're in there for two years
(29:40):
only with their phone.
And they walk around thebungalow at their exercise, no
commitment to anyone else.
And they get out of there andthey're thinking I'm not coming
back here.
And if they do come back, it's adouble sentence, say it's two
years you get.
If you come back, it's gonna befour years.
(30:02):
And if they do this, I'll tellyou what, it will c completely
mullise crime in Melbourne.
SPEAKER_09 (30:11):
Oh, I've got another solution.
For every offender that you'rewith, like if there's one of
you, then you get the singlepenalty.
If there's two of you, then it'sdoubled.
If you get if there's three ofyou, it's tripled.
Wow.
If it's four of you, it'squadruple.
There it is.
Because the more of you thatthere are together, then the
more of the longer the penaltythere is.
(30:32):
Because if you think about it,the more people that enter
someone's home, the moreterrorizing it is.
SPEAKER_03 (30:37):
Yeah, good point.
It's a really good idea, Rog.
Uh Barry, thank you very muchfor that.
We'll go to uh Dave in just amoment.
The point of that is given givenall the wealth in the world, or
in Australia in particular,available to them, whether
they've got their telephone, uh,they've got their computers, uh,
we are a great sporting nation.
You can go and kick a footy, youcan play a round ball game, you
(30:59):
can play tennis, all the things.
There would be a zillion thingsavailable to young people.
Why do they then, why do theyfeel so disenfranchised?
I don't know.
Nobody's been able to tell me.
SPEAKER_09 (31:10):
No, I don't know.
But I do think it's just anybodyasked.
Um I don't think they wouldknow.
You you could ask them and theywouldn't know.
They wouldn't know.
SPEAKER_03 (31:19):
They wouldn't know.
SPEAKER_09 (31:20):
They're so self-interested and they
wouldn't know why they do whatthey do.
Self-absorbed, self-interested,self-absorbed, and there's no
consequence for doing whatthey're doing, and they get
encouraged by their friends onsocial media.
That's the thing.
Yeah, social media has a lot toanswer for which to answer, I
agree.
SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
Uh now, Dave, you're driving back from uh the MCG,
how was it, and where are you inthe traffic conditions?
SPEAKER_05 (31:42):
Yeah, no, I'm driving back.
Look, it was unbelievable.
I'm not a massive fan.
I was actually working theretonight, but um look, that was
high voltage rock and roll tothe point of race.
But they were unbelievable.
The energy they brought to theshow was um you know 10 out of
10.
The the volume, like you said,was popping off the scale.
SPEAKER_09 (32:04):
Yep.
SPEAKER_05 (32:04):
Umbelievable for their age.
They really put on the screen.
SPEAKER_09 (32:09):
How amazing is Angus Young at 70 years of age doing
what he does on stage.
SPEAKER_05 (32:18):
Yes, yeah, it was unbelievable.
It just helped uh help theaudience captive.
Um he probably walked three lapsto the MCG doing his playing his
solo, but um you know, yeah,since they were as sharp as they
were in the 80s, I reckon.
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_09 (32:33):
Now tell me, oh last time I saw Ray C do see, in
between songs, they were offstage for an extended period of
time.
But like they do two or threesongs and then they'd be off
stage, and everyone said thatthey were on the oxygen tanks.
Right?
Was that obvious tonight or not?
SPEAKER_05 (32:51):
No, I looked on for probably um 15, 30 seconds, not
so long.
Okay.
Um Think the same thing, but no,look um yeah, good band.
SPEAKER_09 (33:01):
Just a really good Aussie band, aren't they?
SPEAKER_05 (33:03):
They were great.
SPEAKER_03 (33:04):
That's fantastic.
Great call.
They go behind the stage to useoxygen tanks.
Oxygen tanks.
Yep.
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Uh let us know uh who, how, why,where, and when.
It's all part of Australiaovernight.
Tony McManus is here.
Roger Sutherland, uh,long-serving member of Vic Pol,
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You can join us.
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We'd love the calls as well.
133693.
Uh, there's one there from Damonwho says the parents of uh
teenage offenders, where arethey?
Uh and I just wonder whether ornot uh communities have got
together as communities and saiduh to uh senior members of uh
whatever the communities are,you know, what's going on?
(33:50):
What do we have to do?
How do we what value can we addto turn the so-called cultural
instinct around, the culturalperspective around?
SPEAKER_09 (33:59):
But the cultural the cultural perspective comes from
the parents as well.
Like they're the ones that arebringing this in, and now but
I'm not saying that they'reencouraging they're not saying
to the kids uh pick up a macheteand off you go.
Yeah, I know, but where havethey come from that was an
acceptable behaviour?
This is the thing.
Now the other thing, this whatwhat this text that we've got,
(34:19):
where are the parents?
I see this comment all the time.
But people have got tounderstand we laugh at that.
We laugh at that because theparents, the police.
Alright, okay.
Sorry, the police, we laugh atthat because the police they
know the parents don't care atone bit, one iota.
They do not care at all.
The only time you hear from theparents is he's one of those
(34:41):
poor little children areinjured, and then they come out
and say, But he's such a goodboy.
He's it he just had a badexperience.
And that's wrong, becausethey've done nothing about it
beforehand, and they throw theirhands in the air.
And a lot of these kids don'thave parents.
Don't have parents at all.
They're they're already likeyears ago, they used to be
(35:02):
called wards of the state.
They're now just um I can'tremember what they call them
now.
SPEAKER_03 (35:06):
Well, a lot of people are saying uh youth crime
home invasions escalated,increase of refugees and
immigration.
Uh that is the issue acrossWestern countries.
What is the solution,particularly in youth crime?
Bail after bail with repeatoffenders, perhaps part due to
limited capacity in our jails.
Well, that's part of it as well.
Very expensive to accommodate,uh, run and maintain.
(35:26):
Why can't we introduce verybasic facilities?
SPEAKER_09 (35:31):
Well, the facilities, you know, when we
talk about building jails, we'regonna build jails that are ex
that that are expensive andcomfortable.
Oh, hang on a second.
Like these people have madeinformed decisions as to what
they're gonna do.
You've got to feed them.
Well, yeah, I agree with that,but you've got to remember that
these people are making informeddecisions, knowing.
(35:52):
Yeah, no one's gonna tell methat a 13-year-old and
14-year-old doesn't know thedifference between right and
wrong.
That's absolute baloney, right?
They do.
Um, and the thing is, we wedon't have to build expensive
prisons for them, they're goingto jail.
And we need to protect thepublic, not protect.
I'm hearing things today aboutresearch around um, you know,
(36:14):
when people if you put them injail, you're gonna make them
worse offenders.
No, not while they're in jail,they're not worse offenders.
When they come out, they'regonna go back in.
End of story.
But we need to protect thepublic.
SPEAKER_03 (36:27):
So must come first.
So the the idea of prison onceperhaps may have been where you
go in and become rehabilitated.
That hasn't been the case, Iwouldn't imagine, forever.
SPEAKER_09 (36:36):
Research shows that that's not the case.
Yeah.
Sadly.
That's not the case, but they'resafer.
We are safer when they're behindbars.
SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
The 50s are the bodgies and the widgeys.
I don't remember them.
The bodgies and the widgeies,massive, trendy rebels.
Uh they don't compare to theviolent gangs of uh today.
Not at all.
Uh Nathan, hi, you wanted to saygood morning.
SPEAKER_02 (36:56):
Good morning, uh guys.
What do you think about thisshetty stuff?
You don't mean to put the thebig bins they put out.
What do you think about them?
SPEAKER_09 (37:08):
What do I think about the machete bins?
SPEAKER_03 (37:10):
Where you put the bins where the people are
supposed to donate the machetesinto these so-called bins.
SPEAKER_09 (37:14):
Well, who's gonna put a machete in a bin?
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Uh it's just so time-deaf.
Yeah.
Uh Sue, in summary, goodmorning.
SPEAKER_13 (37:22):
Oh, good morning, Johnny.
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
Hi, Sue.
SPEAKER_13 (37:25):
Yeah, I've had the just uh on big scare.
SPEAKER_03 (37:29):
Yeah, and that and that's the issue for many, the
to live uh feeling frightened asSue.
And that's not the that's notthe great city we know and love.
SPEAKER_13 (37:39):
Yeah, I know it is me.
I just had four police come tomy house.
SPEAKER_09 (37:46):
Just now.
SPEAKER_13 (37:48):
Yeah, just half an hour ago.
Yeah, I had um a lot of noisesand sounded like a a human
jumping over the fence and umand I heard a rattle and I heard
noises and uh I started my heartand I didn't know what to do.
(38:09):
Um I was asleep, not as you'reyou're in bed, yeah.
And I didn't know what to do, soI just ran triple out.
Yep, that's the right thing todo.
SPEAKER_03 (38:23):
And um so you're by yourself, obviously.
SPEAKER_13 (38:27):
Yeah, me and my dog.
I mean, I've got people in theunits around, but that doesn't
mean anything because everyonesleeps.
SPEAKER_09 (38:37):
So you did the right thing.
You did the right thing byringing triple zero.
That's what they're there for,and they'll take that call and
get someone to come and check itfor you.
SPEAKER_13 (38:46):
Well, I was surprised there was four of
them.
SPEAKER_09 (38:49):
Yep, that's fantastic.
SPEAKER_13 (38:50):
Uh-huh.
They came in, they went aroundthe backyard.
Good.
And uh they said, Look, we knowthings right now are worrying
people and we know that you'rewell gonna ask me, you know,
check every room in the house.
I said, Look, you can go in,come around, come in and go in
the backyard because I've got aside gate that's always locked
(39:14):
anyway.
It's my fence, we've alreadydamaged a fence.
SPEAKER_03 (39:20):
Sue, sue, sue.
Uh you Sue, I I'm pleased thatyou had the uh four officers and
uh it's an ongoing challenge anduh you know, we've all got to be
aware of some of the challengesthat we're all facing at this uh
stage.
But uh you look after yourselfand uh thank you for that very
important call.
Uh that lovely note.
(39:40):
That's sorry, Sue, go on.
SPEAKER_13 (39:43):
My son was a police officer.
Oh yeah, in um in Melbourne.
He doesn't live in Melbourne,now he's in England, but he was
in for ten years.
SPEAKER_09 (39:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (39:56):
Very good.
Well done.
Thank you for that.
Uh that lovely note, uh, where'sthat note gone, uh, Simon, from
the uh caller who rang through?
Chris spent 37 years in armoredvehicles.
Uh just wants to send sympathyto Roger and all of Steve O's.
Yeah, very nice.
SPEAKER_09 (40:12):
Yep.
Thanks, Chris.
Appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03 (40:14):
It's very kind.
Uh, Jill David Mark Lee andwe'll come to you the other
side.
It is Australia overnight.
Morning.
In excess.
In excess or AC DC.
In excess or A C D C if you hadthe choice.
In excess, yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (40:26):
All day everywhere.
I saw them live when they cameback from America.
SPEAKER_03 (40:29):
They were amazing.
With Michael Hutchins, so yeah,of course they'd have to be
there as uh with Michael.
SPEAKER_09 (40:34):
It was they were amazing band live and still
great to listen to.
SPEAKER_03 (40:39):
So the loudest band used to be Thorpey, so based on
what we're hearing, uh Thorpeyno longer would hold that title.
SPEAKER_09 (40:46):
I heard the caller called Dennis saying that he
went to Metallica the othernight and said that ACDC left
Metallica for dead.
That's a big call.
As far as as far as the volumewent.
SPEAKER_03 (40:57):
Big call.
SPEAKER_09 (40:58):
Huge call.
SPEAKER_03 (40:59):
I was awarded 7780 uh three years, uh three years
in Tirana, couple of stints inPendridge, changed my life
around 42 years ago.
After my last sentence, thesedays prison is considered a
holiday at government expense.
Youth of sport, the attitude,you can't touch me in my day,
you've got a good kick up theclacker.
SPEAKER_09 (41:18):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (41:19):
Uh Marcus Coresby says that.
SPEAKER_09 (41:20):
Yeah, that's right.
Thanks, Sergeant Cook.
I probably knew that, SergeantCook, too, I reckon.
SPEAKER_03 (41:27):
Is that what's shifted in terms of uh how how
officers are permitted to behavein doing their job?
Body worn cameras now, you see?
Uh well.
SPEAKER_09 (41:38):
It's protective both ways.
Like I I know a lot of theofficers love them.
But um anyway, what a pleasure.
Thank you so much for having metoday.
SPEAKER_03 (41:47):
Have a look at uh A Healthy Shift, the website, a
Healthy Shift, you'll find it atRogers Tovaloo.
Uh thank you.
It's always good to have you inthe studio.
It's great to be here.
We'll take more of your callsthe other side.
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