November 26, 2025 • 41 mins
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We unpack the real mechanics of Triple Zero while sharing practical night shift nutrition, and we dig into ambulance ramping, hospital bottlenecks, and why culture and policy shape ED overload. Roger brings frontline stories from policing and coaching to map fixes that actually work.
• Treating mindset to improve shift worker health
• Fruit, antioxidants, and smart snacks for nights
• Why dispatch questions don’t delay ambulances
• Misuse of Triple Zero and alternatives to ED
• Ambulance ramping explained and root causes
• Nursing swing shifts and safety risks
• Cultural habits, GP access, and education
• Police and paramedic cooperation on volatile jobs
• Funding priorities for health and law and order
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SPEAKER_10 (04:29):
Wherever you are right across the birth who's
sending text messages, you cando that as well.
0477693693.
Roger Sutherland.
Uh what do I how do I describeRoger?
How do I how what's the best wayto describe you now?
Legendary.
Uh well that's probably so thelegendary Roger Sutherland.
For people that don't know thatmight be tuning in for the first
time, we probably need to givethem a bit more of a background.
SPEAKER_09 (04:51):
A bit more than that.
Former Victoria Floosman of 40years.
Um worked in everythingeverything that you can possibly
do just about in wheat pile.
And then I um about six yearsago I returned to study at the
age of 55, studied nutrition,thinking that that was the issue
around shift work, and havesince learned that there's a
whole gamut of indu uh ofissues.
SPEAKER_10 (05:12):
Beyond nutrition.
SPEAKER_09 (05:13):
Beyond well, nutrition's the actual probably
the symptom.
SPEAKER_10 (05:17):
Right.
SPEAKER_09 (05:18):
Um so what we do now is we treat the six inches
between the ears to help the sixinches around the waist.
And I I spend a lot of timedoing that.
It's a good one.
That really locked you over,didn't it?
SPEAKER_10 (05:31):
The six inches around the waist.
SPEAKER_09 (05:33):
The six inches well, we treat the six inches between
the ears.
SPEAKER_10 (05:37):
Uh let's take a couple of calls.
Uh now, Artie, uh, do you knowRoger?
Roger Sutherland from A HealthyShift?
SPEAKER_07 (05:43):
Yep.
Good morning, Roger.
Everyone knows Roger, of course.
Well respected man, great man.
And uh good morning, Tony andJackson.
Now, Roger, a police question.
When I did the handcuff courseand unfortunately encountered
some wanted criminals and usedthe method behind the back, I
noticed they're still using thechain handcuffs from the front.
(06:04):
Wouldn't that be a bit dangerousof what's going on these days?
I don't know if you remember theuh wanted arm rubber for a still
chase.
Yes.
I was a supervisor there andtook him out.
And then there was another onethat was well, I won't go too
far into detail, but I gottaught when I deal with Vic a
Vic police instructor and amilitary cop that it's always
(06:24):
better to use the hingehandcuffs behind the back.
SPEAKER_09 (06:27):
Yeah, I haven't seen the hinge ones.
I've only ever seen thesafflocks, which were the the
ones with the chain between.
But you'll notice a lot of thespecial squads and that are now
are using the cable tires, thebig cable ties.
Right, okay.
Um if it's if it's instant,they're not going to do that on
the street as an arrest, butthey will use the cable ties as
a quick arrest.
(06:48):
Um But yeah, the the uh thehandcuffs that they're using, I
I'll tell you a funny story.
I remember I remember getting abig fellow down in Frankston one
night and going to put thehandcuffs on, and as I told him
to get his arms back, hecouldn't we couldn't get his
arms back together.
Yeah.
So and then we tried to put onecuff on, couldn't get it around
(07:10):
his wrist.
Couldn't get it round, couldn'tget the cuff around his wrist.
We were in it was a summons job,is what we call them.
Just be at court on this day,thanks.
SPEAKER_10 (07:19):
Well, you just had to dump one of your words there.
Did you realize?
I didn't did I?
Yeah, you did.
Oh it's live radio.
One word.
I didn't I don't know what Isaid.
What did I say?
One double three there.
Well, I do it too, so don'tlaugh.
One double three six nine threeis that telephone number.
Artie, thank you for that.
I should point out, Artie, ifyou're still listening, uh Bruce
(07:42):
Lee would have been having abirthday uh today for those fans
of uh Bruce Lee.
Was born in this day 1940, uh,73.
We lost him if he was only 32.
Heart attack.
Uh let me do it.
I've got a feeling it was aheart attack.
That doesn't say on my little uhsheet.
Uh who's waiting?
Lenny, morning.
(08:03):
Good morning, guys.
SPEAKER_12 (08:04):
Roger, morning, Lenny.
Good morning.
Um you're talking shift work.
Yes.
Uh well, I was lucky actually.
I I I worked shift worktwenty-five years, round the
clock.
And uh I was lucky I was workingat Telamarine Airport and I was
(08:24):
working in the catering section,so we got fed like you wouldn't
believe, mate.
unknown (08:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (08:30):
You'd hope you get fed in the catering section.
SPEAKER_12 (08:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10 (08:37):
Is that oh is that all you got?
I thought there was gonna be atag to that lady.
Uh so you had plenty of you hadplenty to eat.
SPEAKER_12 (08:44):
No, no, no tag.
SPEAKER_10 (08:45):
Oh right, okay.
So you had plenty to eat as partof the uh was that all provided
complimentary?
I beg your pardon.
SPEAKER_09 (08:53):
Was was the food provided complimentary?
Was it free?
SPEAKER_12 (08:56):
Was it free?
We did international anddomestic catering for aircraft.
Uh I started there in uh whateighty eighty four.
And uh I I was there fortwenty-five years.
(09:20):
And uh yeah.
Uh your meals were had to beprovided because you couldn't
you couldn't take lunch in therebecause of being a quarantine um
station.
SPEAKER_09 (09:30):
But that's good though, because at least you're
eating decent food.
Yeah, well, uh instead of avending machine.
SPEAKER_10 (09:36):
And you say that it's uh that it's all about like
everything, we've known this fora long time, you are what you
eat.
V very much so.
SPEAKER_09 (09:43):
Um because it improves, you know, when we eat.
I I actually put a quote on myuh social media this week of
someone says to you, but fruit'sgot a lot of money.
Which social media, so we can uhgive it a black plug.
Yeah.
What is it?
Well, a healthy shift.
My my Instagram account is ahealthy shift.
Um and I I think we demonizefruit because of the sugar.
(10:07):
We go, oh, it's got a lot ofsugar in it.
But I challenge you, when wasthe last time you looked at
someone that was overweight andwent, oh I think they've eaten
far too much fruit.
You've eaten too much fruit.
Too much apples, too manyapples.
This person's far too much.
SPEAKER_10 (10:21):
I've got the banana and the apple.
This is the uh jazz, the jazzapple.
Yes.
Uh reassuringly expensive.
Yes.
Uh and the uh now tarnished, butas soon as they come into this
building, uh into thisparticular studio, it tarnishes
that bright yellow.
45 minutes have been sittinghere, it's the air conditioner
above us, I think.
(10:41):
Don't know.
I'm not sure what does that, butthat's the sugars in the right.
I don't know what it is.
But the browner they are, themore thing around about during
the proof.
SPEAKER_09 (10:51):
Fruit for night shift workers is absolutely
ideal.
And you know, we demonise sugarin fruit, but we shouldn't,
because of all the nutrients andthe goodness and fibre that's
actually in it.
But a lot of people head to thevending machine because they're
looking for that sweet treat,which we crave on night shift
for that energy, that glucose.
Our body's telling us, Oh, Ineed energy, I need energy.
(11:12):
So hit the vending machine, getthe chocolate.
But if you just had a handful ofblueberries, some strawberries,
um, like you've got the banana,the apple, that's all you need.
Handful of nuts.
SPEAKER_10 (11:22):
Strawberry.
SPEAKER_09 (11:22):
Strawberries are good.
Strawberries are delicious.
SPEAKER_10 (11:25):
Blueberries, I I read Blueberries are so good.
Well, but I read somewhere, seeeverybody has a different
opinion about these matters.
Very good.
SPEAKER_09 (11:32):
And it gets more So you say yes, blueberries are
exceptionally good because ofthe antioxidants in them,
particularly for night shiftersas well.
Because we have very lowmelatonin in our bloodstream
while we're on night shift, andwe've got to remember melatonin
is actually our cancereradicator, it's our free
radical um eradicator.
(11:52):
So, what we want is we wantsomething to help us with that
and support us withantioxidants.
So the blueberries are ideal.
So, one of my suggested snacksfor people is a YoPro yoghurt
with a handful of blueberries init.
Beautiful.
Stir that through the sweet, youget the sweet treat, you get the
blueberries, you get the fibre,you're getting all of the good
stuff that goes with it.
(12:12):
Perfect.
SPEAKER_10 (12:13):
Uh if you would like to uh contact Roger, you can do
that now.
We'll take some calls whereveryou are, right across Australia,
133693.
Uh, Roger has a former policeofficer, Vic Pole.
Uh 40 plus years uh sensational.
We were just uh prior to thejust while we were listening to
the news, uh you and I had apretty heated discussion about
the idea of uh uh voting systemsin Australia.
(12:34):
Yeah.
And I we've had several callsabout it over the uh over the
last uh few months about whetheror not the voting system that
we've adopted for some yearsreally now works in favour of uh
getting the right result.
The result that people say theywant, but they don't get because
of uh the voting system, whichis this idea of you know
(12:55):
trickle-down effect.
SPEAKER_09 (12:57):
Yeah, I think it's extremely confusing that you've
got um people who can be inpower that that were getting
preferential votes from a numberof other parties.
Or and I I just think that ifyou're gonna vote for a party,
you need to vote for that party,and that's it.
Right?
Or you're voting for the otherside of the city.
So you either get in you eitherlook if I'm voting for Tony
(13:17):
McManus's party, then I'm votingfor Tony McManus's party, and I
want him in.
But then after that, you don'twant to vote for anybody else.
I don't want to have to vote foranybody else.
SPEAKER_10 (13:26):
So you don't have a vote.
You in other words, you're thennot.
SPEAKER_09 (13:29):
I go in and go, I cast my vote, bang, Tony
McManus, that's it.
This is who I want to run theplace.
Not oh, but if he doesn't getin, I'll have this person, oh
then I'll have this person.
And then number three and fourand six end up going to the
number one.
SPEAKER_10 (13:41):
But then you would have no say in who then gets
that seat because you'vewithdrawn your your vote by
definition.
(15:11):
That's right.
And that would be a problem.
So that means you don't careenough uh to uh vote for anybody
else apart from me.
That's right.
Wonderful that's a great system.
13693.
SPEAKER_09 (15:21):
If I ever stood, had to be.
Isn't that a presidentialelection?
Isn't that what they call apresidential election?
SPEAKER_10 (15:26):
How's that working out?
SPEAKER_09 (15:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10 (15:28):
133693 is the telephone number.
Jump on board, come and have ayak.
Look at the text uh uh we didget dumped, you know, uh,
because I think youinadvertently, as part of the uh
excitement, uh you may you maydon't bother because I've done
it too.
Sometimes in the passion, you gointo uh Roger mode and I think
you accidentally dropped Theworst thing is I don't even
(15:51):
realise I did not even realize Idid not order a fire truck.
Yes, you did.
That's exactly what you ordered.
Uh when you were involved withor know people that were working
with at Triple Zero, uh wouldpeople ring for the most
outrageous silly things likeI've lost my purse, I've lost my
wallet?
SPEAKER_09 (16:07):
I couldn't begin to tell you the calls, the wasted
calls to Triple Zero.
Um and the time that that takesup.
Well, it's taking up anemergency call taker every
single time that someone wouldcall up with, you know, oh I've
um my cat's stuck in the tree,or or um uh uh someone stolen my
(16:29):
garden gnome or the television'stalking to me.
No.
Oh yeah.
The television's talking to me.
And we would say to them thatthat's okay, or television's
talking to you, that's what itdoes, but are you talking back
to it?
Like the television.
The television's talking to you.
SPEAKER_10 (16:44):
Now, Pete, what have you lost, Pete, in Adelaide?
SPEAKER_13 (18:09):
Hello, I lost my glasses.
Oh, yeah.
Tony, I spent um nine hourstoday in Glomog among the algal
bloom, and then unfortunately Igot off the bus and I've lost
them.
Yeah.
There's a positive to everynegative.
(18:31):
Yesterday I became engaged.
SPEAKER_10 (18:34):
Oh, congratulations, fantastic.
SPEAKER_13 (18:36):
Thank you.
Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_10 (18:38):
We're very happy for it.
Um what's what what's what is uhwhat's her f his or her?
It's a him.
It's a him.
So what's his first name?
Well, he's an Indian.
Yeah, what's his first name?
Well, in English or in Indian?
Well, just a well it doesn'tmatter to me.
What do you what do you callhim?
(19:00):
Bobby.
Well, Bobby.
Well, there you go, Bobby.
Congratulations to you, Pete.
That's lovely.
There's a problem.
There's a problem.
Well, there is there always is.
SPEAKER_13 (19:10):
The age gap.
It's just a number.
I just um no, we had a reallygood Tuesday here in Marlson,
and then when I went to Gronelthis morning, had a really good
day at the Lutheran church, andthen when I got him a beast, I
lost all sense of uh umdirection, etc.
(19:34):
Got off the beast in a very goodmood now.
No glasses.
SPEAKER_10 (19:38):
I hate that.
Uh well if anybody happens sowhat colour are they?
SPEAKER_13 (19:43):
What the glasses?
Yeah, well basic frames, yeah.
Yeah.
What colour?
But the thing, Tony, I can't doanything until tomorrow morning.
Okay.
SPEAKER_10 (19:53):
Well, I know that.
So again, I repeat.
Are they indicated?
What colour is the right?
Give us a bit of detail aboutthe name of the glasses.
SPEAKER_09 (20:02):
Describe them for us.
SPEAKER_10 (20:05):
Yeah, see if you're a witness in the stand, Pete,
and I said to you, uh, justdescribe for the uh for the jury
uh the aforementioned glasses,if you will.
This is what they look like.
SPEAKER_13 (20:15):
Basic with a silver uh frame.
SPEAKER_10 (20:18):
There you go.
Is there any label on it?
In particular, brand are they uhI don't know, are they a Mani?
SPEAKER_04 (20:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10 (20:24):
Speck Savers.
Specs, Speck Savers, nothingwrong with it.
Well, you should have gone toSpec Savers.
That's right.
They're gone, Pete.
SPEAKER_13 (20:35):
Were they insured?
No, but I'm gonna get intotrouble.
Mark Asen is gonna be mygroomsman at my wedding.
Give my give Mark my love.
And he's I'm gonna get intotrouble, by the way, but it
doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_10 (20:50):
Give him my love.
Well, I hope you find if peoplehappen to find out he has um as
their respect savers randomly.
Who do they call, Pete?
50A.
Oh, right.
They'll be called 50A.
They'll be thrilled.
They'll be thrilled to be partof the O.
Get on your feet.
Gee, I love this audience.
I just love this audience.
(21:11):
Fantastic.
Now we're the glasses.
SPEAKER_09 (21:14):
Well, so this is what happens in the middle of
the night.
But this is what happens onTriple Zero.
If you're trying to drawinformation out of people, those
I I I want to say that the calltakers at Triple Zero have the
toughest job in the whole chainof getting everything out, the
information out of people.
In the heat of the moment,people grab their phone, dial
000, and they just want thepolice or the paramedics there
(21:37):
instantly.
But what they don't realise iswhile we're asking the address
and we're getting the addressout of them, and they're just
saying, but I want the policehere.
Okay, we've got the address now.
We always get the address first,but then we want to get the
story.
What they don't realise is, andthis is what people need to
understand, as we are taking thedetail, that detail is already
(21:58):
being relayed to the units outon the road.
So it's not holding them up.
The fact that you're on thephone still getting the detail
doesn't mean that we're waitinguntil the call hangs up to send
someone.
That detail really that detailis already being broadcast.
So for Amber?
Exactly the same for ambulance.
So ambulance, the the ambulancecall taker.
(22:19):
So you call 000, you come toTelstra, Telstra then direct you
to either the police, fire, orambulance.
Um and then you get to say youget to a um ambulance call
taker.
You're talking to the ambulancecall taker, the first thing
they're going to get is theaddress.
Bang.
They just want to confirm theaddress because if the call
drops out or anything happens,we've got somewhere to go.
(22:41):
All right, at least.
So once we get that detail, thenwe start getting more and more
detail.
But people get frustrated withthe call taker, thinking, why
are you getting all this detail?
This is holding us up.
It is not holding you up at all.
Because the the units on theroad are already being directed,
the information as it's comingthrough, and it's refreshing on
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their screens for them.
So as they're driving to thejob, more and more information's
coming.
SPEAKER_10 (23:06):
Well, see, nobody's ever really I've never heard
that experience quite like that.
SPEAKER_09 (23:11):
Okay, well that's well, there you go.
That's something that'simportant for people to
understand so that you know whenyou call Triple Zero, you are
not being held up by the calltaker talking to you.
SPEAKER_10 (23:21):
Couple of quick calls.
Nathan, hi.
Hi.
Nathan, go ahead.
Uh Nathan, we might come back toyou.
103693.
We'll do this uh your callstraight after.
Wherever you are, right aroundAustralia, 508 in Adelaide, 3 uh
well or the great uh eight RadioNetwork, of course, uh 3AW here
(23:42):
in Melbourne, and of course 6PRin Perth.
Great to have your company.
Come and join us.
103693 is our telephone number.
For those in Perth, uh 103882.
So just your normal uh overnighttalkback number that will get
you through straight away.
Roger's on the road.
Uh say hi uh to uh the great manuh Roger here who is with us as
well, Roger Sutherland, uhtalking about night shift and
(24:04):
other issues.
Go, Roger, morning.
Roger, Roger.
SPEAKER_06 (24:08):
Good morning, good good evening over here.
Um uh Roger, we've got a fewRogers going on here.
SPEAKER_05 (24:15):
We have Roger, Roger, Ramjet.
SPEAKER_06 (24:22):
That's the way that's I um I uh I was very
interested to hear the way thatum information is communic um uh
consequent uh uh consecutivelyum conveyed through to the
ambulances on the way.
Um but um my comment my onlycomment is that um over here in
the west where we're luckyenough to have yet another Labor
(24:45):
government, um what that allthat means is that the ambulance
gets to the ramping muchquicker.
Um and uh the the other commentis that the um the what what
you've just described is is umoutlining the efficiency of the
St.
John's ambulance service overhere.
And I find it very interestingthat when ambulance ramping
(25:07):
numbers were being uh publicisedover here, um our illustrious
previous premier McGowan triedto blame the ambulance service
for it uh and not the hospitalswhich were uh actually to blame.
SPEAKER_09 (25:21):
Yeah, but that's a very big it's a thanks for your
call.
That's a common problem here.
I I think I I went to I had togo to the Royal Melbourne the
other week um to go for aspecialist appointment there,
seeing all the ambulances parkedat the Royal Melbourne.
Yeah, like that's real now,these are all there's you've got
to remember there's two crew,two members, ambulance officers
(25:41):
on every one of those trucks.
Every one of those ambulance.
SPEAKER_10 (25:45):
Often people get the government will go into denial
about that.
You can't deny it.
We've been having thatconversation in WA for decades.
SPEAKER_09 (25:51):
Yep, but you can't deny it's there, and the union
speaks about it, then they getsick of actually speaking about
it, and it's um it but it needspushing over and over again.
The health in this state, andwell obviously what uh Australia
wide is in a mess.
Um because it's the same, andyou've just heard it's the same
in Perth, it's the same here.
But I I coach paramedics, I'vegot a number of paramedics, and
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one of their biggest issues isramped at hospitals for hours
and hours and hours to the stagewhere um there's just so much
downtime for the game.
So where's the gap?
SPEAKER_10 (26:25):
Where's the gap, Rog?
Why is uh what do you reckon'sdriving that?
SPEAKER_09 (26:31):
Lack of beds in the hospitals, lack of staff and
lack of beds in the hospitals tobe able to efficiently triage
people and put them in.
Uh uh and the police, what wedon't realise is it's not only
the paramedics that are ramped,but the police are there as well
with mental health um patientsas well.
That they've got to get in andget assessed.
(26:52):
Well, they have to stay withthem until the uh doctors have
seen them and assess them aswell.
Half the time they've spent fouror five hours waiting with them,
doctor assesses them, and thenthey're back out on the streets
again straight away.
It's a massive problem.
SPEAKER_10 (27:05):
It's an ongoing problem for uh each and every
one of us.
Uh so it's hardly is Australiacertainly not uh uh world best
practice, is it?
Or is it?
I I think compared to othercountries.
It's very common Would you wantto be ill in India?
I'm not sure.
Would you want to be ill inChina?
In the UK you wouldn't.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same.
SPEAKER_09 (27:24):
No.
So what we've got, whilst notperfect.
We're not prioritising it.
Health is very important.
Health and law and order andhealth, if if anybody was to
come in with policies around lawand order and health, they they
would absolutely streak it in.
SPEAKER_10 (27:41):
Uh 133693.
Come and jump on board.
Leanne, you got a quickie forus?
Good morning.
SPEAKER_08 (27:46):
Yes, I'm calling triple A because I've got an
itchy bum and I need anambulance, and also um I can't
win for the last 24 hours.
SPEAKER_09 (27:58):
And that's about what we get.
SPEAKER_10 (27:59):
So you had you you had your uh how do I describe
this, Leah?
You had my procedure.
Your procedure.
How did it go?
SPEAKER_08 (28:06):
Very good.
I um it removed and gettingassessed.
Yeah, that's about it.
SPEAKER_10 (28:14):
Uh your home safe.
SPEAKER_08 (28:23):
Unfortunately, my funny enough.
I I'm not sure.
(28:44):
I I spoke fixed him earlier anduh he doesn't know they don't
know what happened.
But yeah, it sounds to me likehe might have had an allergy
reaction cardiac.
I would have thought so.
SPEAKER_10 (28:53):
Well, hope he's uh gonna be okay.
Lee and thank you.
Uh 13693.
Now, Mavis, you're a formernurse based in the beautiful
little town of uh Balan, not farfrom Ballarat.
Hello to you.
SPEAKER_03 (29:04):
Hello to you too.
Um, I cannot understand why theydon't have a s a room annexed to
the ER with just uh a nurse incharge of that room, and it's a
waiting room that brings allthose patients out of the
ambulances, gets the ambulancesback on the road, the patients
(29:27):
uh are in comf in comfort on umtrolleys in the in the waiting
room with assistance nearby ifurgently needed.
SPEAKER_09 (29:38):
But what about the ratio of nurse to patients?
That's one of the biggestproblems.
I I can it makes sense what yousay, but the reason why they're
ramped is because they've gottwo paramedics that are giving
them 100% attention all thetime.
So they're being used as thenurses and the treating
practitioner until they getseen.
(29:58):
And that's why the ambulancesare tied up in that position.
So this is one of the biggestproblems that they actually have
around that.
And you know, to be able totriage quickly and efficiently
and then farm them off into bedsis where they they need to be
able to do that.
SPEAKER_10 (30:13):
But they go so well, we haven't got enough uh people,
enough groups, new people comingthrough, uh uh not enough
training, not enough beds, notenough, not enough money, not
enough money and staff is thebiggest problem that they have.
SPEAKER_09 (30:26):
And and and this brings me back to another issue
as well.
And it's topical, but we'recontinually to migrate, we're
bringing so many people into thecountry, but we don't have the
infrastructure in place, andwe're already buckling under
what we've got.
We're buckling in a big way.
Health and and health, inparticular, Sunshine Hospital,
Fuscro Hospital.
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Go to these hospitals and have alook at their emergency
departments.
Um Shabby Or just busy.
Busy, just flat out busy all thetime.
Um and and this is a bigproblem.
Then you've got the ambulancesbecause the you know, everyone
gets prioritized, so then youget an ambulance pull-up that's
got someone on it that gottransported but probably doesn't
need urgent attention.
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But you've got someone that'sjust a walk in that's got urgent
attention, so the paramedic hasto take the back seat, and then
you've got the police walk inwith a um mental health patient
that needs assessing as well,and it's a it's a diabolical
mess.
It really is.
SPEAKER_10 (31:21):
And there doesn't see and I don't want to be too
dark about this, but what's thelight at the end?
Is there a light at the end?
Is it a is it do we go back topolitics?
Yep.
SPEAKER_09 (31:32):
I I would say that they need to be looking at and
pouring the resources intohealth and law and order.
That's where it needs to be.
And I I will stand on this hill,I will die on this hill.
We don't need the newer roadsand underground railways and the
roads are in a roads are inappalling condition as well.
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The roads are.
The roads are in a terrible, butwhy are we building new roads
when we can't look after theones that we've got?
SPEAKER_10 (31:58):
Don't start me talking.
Uh Mavis, uh you you retiredthese days, Mavis, obviously?
SPEAKER_03 (32:03):
Yes, I'm retired now.
I'm far too old.
SPEAKER_10 (32:07):
Well, I'm sure, but I'm sure you have uh sort of a
uh a real interest in how it'sall unfolding.
SPEAKER_03 (32:13):
Oh, I certainly do.
I certainly do.
SPEAKER_10 (32:17):
How long did you work as a nurse, Mavis?
SPEAKER_03 (32:20):
Pardon?
SPEAKER_10 (32:21):
How long were you a nurse?
SPEAKER_03 (32:23):
Oh my god.
Uh 1970 to 2010.
SPEAKER_10 (32:30):
Wow, wonderful.
Forty years ago.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Do you miss it at all, Mavis?
SPEAKER_03 (32:35):
Yes, very much.
SPEAKER_09 (32:37):
I bet.
You miss the commandery with thepeople that have got a common
interest with you, don't you?
SPEAKER_03 (32:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_09 (32:43):
Yes.
What what was your what is ityou actually miss?
SPEAKER_03 (32:49):
Um, I I miss the interaction with people.
Yes.
I miss not being able to helppeople.
SPEAKER_09 (32:57):
Um that's tremendous.
SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
I I'm the go-to person in the block of units
here.
SPEAKER_09 (33:02):
Oh better.
Yeah, of course.
I bet I can name what you don'tmiss.
I bet one thing I could namewhat you do not miss at all.
SPEAKER_06 (33:10):
What's that?
SPEAKER_09 (33:10):
The swing shift.
The swing shift.
See, you smile.
Yeah.
That's it's the devil, isn't it,the swing shift?
SPEAKER_03 (33:19):
Yes, I can remember I can remember getting up one
morning thinking I was on a sixI was on a six o'clock start,
six a.m.
start, and I jumped up and flewout of bed, and I had mis
misread the clock.
It was wasn't five past six, itwas half past one in the
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morning.
SPEAKER_09 (33:40):
Oh no.
Yeah.
Gee, we've done that.
Now can I just say this though,with with the nurses, nurses in
particular doing those swingshifts.
Now, when we talk of swingshifts to explain to people,
they're working until eleveno'clock at night, and then
they're on again at seveno'clock in the morning.
Now, by the time they wind down,finish drive home, they do their
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handover at eleven o'clock, getchanged, drive home, or drive
home.
Then they're terrified thatthey're not going to wake up, so
they get sleep anxiety and don'tsleep properly, which is exactly
what was just talked about.
You know, an alarm goes off andyou're terrified, you think
you're going to miss out, so youjump out of bed, you've misread
the clock, it's only five pastone instead of five past six.
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Then you've got to get up andthen you've got to go back to
work again.
My my question to you is wouldyou want to be the patient that
that person's looking after atseven o'clock in the morning?
SPEAKER_10 (34:29):
It's a great question.
I don't know the answer.
133693.
Mavis, we salute you.
SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
Oh, yeah, please salute me.
SPEAKER_09 (34:37):
Like really well done.
SPEAKER_03 (34:38):
I enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_10 (34:38):
Good on you.
Thank you very much.
Ian Holbrook in New South Wales.
Hello, Mark.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
Good morning, boys.
Just a question in regards tothe ambulance service.
SPEAKER_10 (34:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
So I heard on Melbourne Radio this uh I heard
on Melbourne Radio this morningan old gentleman and his wife
collapsed and fell on the floor.
He rang Triple Zero for anambulance.
It's not a priority job, but whywouldn't you ring a family
member or a neighbour?
My question is to what are wedoing as a community?
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If we get a car license, weshould have first aid.
And that'll take at least 20% ofthe pressure off the ambulances.
Like my wife just rang me, myson's got a temperature of 40
degrees or 17.
She's had to take him to thehospital.
Right and call the ambulance,even though the ambulance cover,
she's taken him there.
But a GP in the morning would begood, but GP services aren't
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open 24-7.
No.
And most of the communities,particular migrants, they don't
have GPs where they come from.
They just go straight tohospitals.
That's the mentality you've gotto deal with.
I believe if everyone had firstaid, it would help the system.
SPEAKER_09 (35:42):
That is such a valid point.
That is cultural as well.
They go straight to a hospital.
They don't they don't think ofanything else other than we've
got to go to hospital.
So that's why the hospitals arefull of These people.
Um, and it causes them all sortsof problems.
I also agree with what you'resaying as well.
There needs to be more educationaround when you call triple
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zero, not just call triple zero.
Because when you're callingtriple zero for an ingrown
toenail because you want to rideto a hospital because you think
you won't get seen.
You're telling me that peoplewould do that.
Oh, absolutely.
They do this all the time.
And you know the thing with theambulance, they won't decline
it.
They will they will take thejob.
The call taker gets tied uptaking all the event.
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Remember, got to get theaddress.
Then they've got to step throughthe whole process of getting to
the root of the problem,whatever the problem is, and
continually going until they getthere.
And then it gets goes to asenior paramedic to look at the
job, assess the job.
Do we need to go to this?
We'll make a phone call.
They make a phone call.
Do we not?
All this is time that's taken.
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And people ring with a stomachupset.
They ring with, and when I sayan ingrown toenail, I've
sprained my wrist or I've got aproblem here.
You know, we need to learn whenwe need an ambulance.
And the point that's just beenmade is a really good point.
Culturally, they go straight tohospital because they don't have
all the other services availableto them.
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I wonder if people in Lifelinewould have similar sort of
stories to tell.
Yep, absolutely they do.
SPEAKER_10 (37:11):
133693.
We've got to do this when wecome back.
Uh Alan, Nathan Judge, we'llcome to you.
It's all part of Australiaovernight.
Look at all these wonderfultexts, Rob says.
So we've got a clearance.
Clarence.
Yeah, got a clearance.
Victor, Victor.
Roger, Roger.
Roger, Roger.
Uh Roger, I bet you get someabsolute doozy during the Triple
Zero when it's a full moon.
Does it?
Because the full moon, you saythe full moon is a thing.
It is.
SPEAKER_09 (37:31):
Anybody that works in emergency services.
SPEAKER_10 (37:34):
Scientists wouldn't say it's a thing, but those that
are on the ground's a thing.
SPEAKER_09 (37:37):
That's where the term lunatic comes from.
Lunatic.
That's where it comes from.
But um funny words, uh, you talkabout funny stories.
I can tell you, if you'redriving to work on night shift
and the full moon is in front ofyou, you just feel like turning
around and going straight backagain.
Oh no.
There is an absolute any nursewill tell you that there is an
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absolute correlation between thefull moon and the type of people
that we have.
SPEAKER_10 (38:02):
Uh we uh quote staffing issues yet.
2,000 graduate nurses funded bythe Victorian taxpayer.
There are no positions for them.
SPEAKER_09 (38:09):
That I yes, this is a massive problem.
SPEAKER_10 (38:11):
Hospitals need more staff, uh, just does not make
sense.
Taxpayers want their money spenton things like health or law and
order.
Another example, Victoriangovernment having the wrong
priorities.
Yep.
SPEAKER_09 (38:21):
Why are we focusing on big project bills that are
not as anywhere near asimportant as health and law and
order?
I don't understand it.
Well and I don't think thepublic understand it.
SPEAKER_10 (38:33):
No, they well, no, they probably don't.
So what's in it for governmentthat uh they're doing what they
think is going to get themre-elected?
Presumably.
And in oh and I've said thisbefore, in if there was a if
there was an election coming upthis weekend in in Victoria, in
South Australia, in WA, theexisting government most likely
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would be re-elected.
SPEAKER_09 (38:55):
Yeah, but I don't I not on merit.
SPEAKER_10 (38:57):
Now, are you gonna say merit has nothing to do with
it?
They would be re-elected.
SPEAKER_09 (39:01):
Oh, well they okay, well, they would be probably
re-elected, but it's onlybecause of the system, not
because of the person.
SPEAKER_10 (39:07):
Democracy.
Yep.
So fling democracy.
You've gone down that track now.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (39:13):
Oh dear.
I I I look, I I just I you well,you know what my point is in
relation to it.
Um and and there's been a lot ofdiscussion.
Uh it's the same in SouthAustralia, it's the same in West
Australia.
They they are all sitting therewanting to know how the person
that's in charge is actually incharge with such power to do the
things that they're doing andhow they're going about it.
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Um you voted them in.
You voted them in.
You voted them in.
Uh Alan Coolaroo, hi.
SPEAKER_02 (39:41):
I was gonna bring up about the emergency apartments,
but the chap in Holbrook broughtit up.
That we're so multicultural whenyou go there and he's full of
every nationality because they'drather go to a hospital than a
GP.
SPEAKER_09 (39:58):
Yes, correct.
And this is the problem.
And that's why it's so.
SPEAKER_10 (40:02):
It's part of the problem.
How do we explain to everybodythat's not the way to go?
How do we is that abouteducation?
Is that the role of governmentto educate people if if you're
unwell, these are your options.
The options not just to go to anemergency via an ambulance or
whatever.
SPEAKER_09 (40:16):
No, that's right.
You go to any emergencydepartment, wander around any
emergency department, and have alook at the culture of the
people that are actually fillingthe emergency departments.
SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (40:25):
Uh Nathan, you wanted to say hello?
SPEAKER_00 (40:27):
Hello, sorry about it before I was my phone just
got cut out.
SPEAKER_04 (40:31):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
Um there's a question.
Why do the ambulance always callyou guys if they have a problem
with with a patient?
SPEAKER_09 (40:42):
Well, now that is a very valid point as well,
because that was one of my jobswhen I worked at Triple Zero Um
as a police supervisor.
That the paramedics would theydon't have security guards and
they're not there to be beltedup.
And that's so what they want isthey want the security of the
police there to support them.
And look, they're brothers andsisters out on the road at the
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same time doing the same job.
So we go and support them.
Those relationships historicallyvery important and good,
extremely strong.
But I I will say that I thinksince um and this is through
communication, like I know whenI was working the road and I was
around, we adored our paramedicsand the water fairies.
We'd call them the waterfairies.
The water fairies.
That's what they are, the waterthe water fairies.
SPEAKER_10 (41:24):
You're referring to the great fire rescue people.
SPEAKER_09 (41:26):
The fire rescue people.
Yeah, great.
SPEAKER_10 (41:28):
The water fairies.
Well, you know what are theycalled, what do they call
coppers?
SPEAKER_09 (41:33):
I don't know, but it's a it's an ongoing battle
between the two all the time,and uh there was nothing more
satisfying than putting yourlights and sirens on as you're
driving past the fire station attwo o'clock in the morning.
But you know, because they'resleeping.
I think we resent the fact thatthey're there getting paid and
they're sleeping and they'reworking out in the gym during
their shifts while the vancrew's getting flogged on the
road.
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They're sleeping.
Well, they are.
They're not sleeping.
The fire brigade, you say, arethey absolutely?
No, they're not.
They are absolutelycategorically the fire brigade
is sleeping on night shifts.
SPEAKER_10 (42:04):
I'm doing uh I'm doing a couple of uh nights
early next year on duty, doing acouple of uh with uh fire rescue
Victoria.
SPEAKER_09 (42:12):
So you'll be sleeping.
No.
You will absolutely be sleeping.
They have to rest and reclare.
Police and station?
SPEAKER_10 (42:17):
No.
Okay.
You're in for a shot.
Well, you can't.
I'll tell you now, take asleeping bag.
You come with me, we'll do ittogether.
Okay.
Take a sleeping bag becauseyou'll need it.
Uh Bronny in South Yara.
Hello, Bronny.
SPEAKER_11 (42:30):
Uh hi boys.
Listen, the reason a lot ofpeople go straight to the
hospital, in my opinion, is theyvirtually don't pay anything for
it.
SPEAKER_04 (42:38):
Correct.
SPEAKER_11 (42:39):
I mean, if you went to an that's exactly it.
So now they should have to pay.
That's why the Alfred's goingbroke, everyone's going broke.
They should have to pay likethey would have to go to a
doctor.
SPEAKER_09 (42:49):
There you go, fee based.
It's it's actually uh that's nowthat comes from someone you're
passionate about it.
Have you have you got anyinvolvement in the industry at
all?
SPEAKER_11 (42:58):
Um, look, I I've got a nephew that works at the
Alfred, he tells me all thestories about what goes on in
there.
These people know uh if they'renot near a bulk billing, for
example, and it's not open, yougo straight to a hospital, you
get free treatment, you get foodif you need it.
You know what I mean?
Um just telling you.
SPEAKER_10 (43:17):
So anecdotally, Bronny, you feel uh some of them
are actually taking the piss.
SPEAKER_09 (43:20):
Yep, they are.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_11 (43:21):
Oh, absolute racket.
SPEAKER_10 (43:23):
There you go.
Stay there, we're gonna do this.
We'll come back in just amoment.
It is Australia Overnight.
I'm Tony McManus.
Roger Sutherland is here.
It is uh a little segment wecall what do we call it?
A healthy shift.
A healthy shift.
Uh it's Australia Overnight.
Come and join us 133693.
What we've learned, of course,is that the uh triple O thing is
really uh quite extraordinary.
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Uh and nobody's ever explainedthat, certainly to me, that that
data is being downloaded as soonas you really are making that
phone call uh and you've givenpresumably uh fundamental
details, it's already beendownloaded.
It's already been given out.
It's already on its way.
And even whilst you might bepanicking, you might be taking
take the breath, but it'salready in motion.
SPEAKER_09 (44:05):
Listen to the call taker is what I say.
Listening to the call take itis.
SPEAKER_10 (44:10):
So do I.
You go have a select.
SPEAKER_09 (44:12):
I'm gonna I'd better wait till 2.30.
SPEAKER_10 (44:16):
Yes, okay.
All right, morning.
Okay, all right, okay.
It is a straight or overnight,uh your call straight after
this.
Don't go away.
Wherever you are right across the birth who's
sending text messages, you cando that as well.
0477693693.
Roger Sutherland.
Uh what do I how do I describeRoger?
How do I how what's the best wayto describe you now?
Legendary.
Uh well that's probably so thelegendary Roger Sutherland.
For people that don't know thatmight be tuning in for the first
time, we probably need to givethem a bit more of a background.
SPEAKER_09 (04:51):
A bit more than that.
Former Victoria Floosman of 40years.
Um worked in everythingeverything that you can possibly
do just about in wheat pile.
And then I um about six yearsago I returned to study at the
age of 55, studied nutrition,thinking that that was the issue
around shift work, and havesince learned that there's a
whole gamut of indu uh ofissues.
SPEAKER_10 (05:12):
Beyond nutrition.
SPEAKER_09 (05:13):
Beyond well, nutrition's the actual probably
the symptom.
SPEAKER_10 (05:17):
Right.
SPEAKER_09 (05:18):
Um so what we do now is we treat the six inches
between the ears to help the sixinches around the waist.
And I I spend a lot of timedoing that.
It's a good one.
That really locked you over,didn't it?
SPEAKER_10 (05:31):
The six inches around the waist.
SPEAKER_09 (05:33):
The six inches well, we treat the six inches between
the ears.
SPEAKER_10 (05:37):
Uh let's take a couple of calls.
Uh now, Artie, uh, do you knowRoger?
Roger Sutherland from A HealthyShift?
SPEAKER_07 (05:43):
Yep.
Good morning, Roger.
Everyone knows Roger, of course.
Well respected man, great man.
And uh good morning, Tony andJackson.
Now, Roger, a police question.
When I did the handcuff courseand unfortunately encountered
some wanted criminals and usedthe method behind the back, I
noticed they're still using thechain handcuffs from the front.
(06:04):
Wouldn't that be a bit dangerousof what's going on these days?
I don't know if you remember theuh wanted arm rubber for a still
chase.
Yes.
I was a supervisor there andtook him out.
And then there was another onethat was well, I won't go too
far into detail, but I gottaught when I deal with Vic a
Vic police instructor and amilitary cop that it's always
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better to use the hingehandcuffs behind the back.
SPEAKER_09 (06:27):
Yeah, I haven't seen the hinge ones.
I've only ever seen thesafflocks, which were the the
ones with the chain between.
But you'll notice a lot of thespecial squads and that are now
are using the cable tires, thebig cable ties.
Right, okay.
Um if it's if it's instant,they're not going to do that on
the street as an arrest, butthey will use the cable ties as
a quick arrest.
(06:48):
Um But yeah, the the uh thehandcuffs that they're using, I
I'll tell you a funny story.
I remember I remember getting abig fellow down in Frankston one
night and going to put thehandcuffs on, and as I told him
to get his arms back, hecouldn't we couldn't get his
arms back together.
Yeah.
So and then we tried to put onecuff on, couldn't get it around
(07:10):
his wrist.
Couldn't get it round, couldn'tget the cuff around his wrist.
We were in it was a summons job,is what we call them.
Just be at court on this day,thanks.
SPEAKER_10 (07:19):
Well, you just had to dump one of your words there.
Did you realize?
I didn't did I?
Yeah, you did.
Oh it's live radio.
One word.
I didn't I don't know what Isaid.
What did I say?
One double three there.
Well, I do it too, so don'tlaugh.
One double three six nine threeis that telephone number.
Artie, thank you for that.
I should point out, Artie, ifyou're still listening, uh Bruce
(07:42):
Lee would have been having abirthday uh today for those fans
of uh Bruce Lee.
Was born in this day 1940, uh,73.
We lost him if he was only 32.
Heart attack.
Uh let me do it.
I've got a feeling it was aheart attack.
That doesn't say on my little uhsheet.
Uh who's waiting?
Lenny, morning.
(08:03):
Good morning, guys.
SPEAKER_12 (08:04):
Roger, morning, Lenny.
Good morning.
Um you're talking shift work.
Yes.
Uh well, I was lucky actually.
I I I worked shift worktwenty-five years, round the
clock.
And uh I was lucky I was workingat Telamarine Airport and I was
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working in the catering section,so we got fed like you wouldn't
believe, mate.
unknown (08:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (08:30):
You'd hope you get fed in the catering section.
SPEAKER_12 (08:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10 (08:37):
Is that oh is that all you got?
I thought there was gonna be atag to that lady.
Uh so you had plenty of you hadplenty to eat.
SPEAKER_12 (08:44):
No, no, no tag.
SPEAKER_10 (08:45):
Oh right, okay.
So you had plenty to eat as partof the uh was that all provided
complimentary?
I beg your pardon.
SPEAKER_09 (08:53):
Was was the food provided complimentary?
Was it free?
SPEAKER_12 (08:56):
Was it free?
We did international anddomestic catering for aircraft.
Uh I started there in uh whateighty eighty four.
And uh I I was there fortwenty-five years.
(09:20):
And uh yeah.
Uh your meals were had to beprovided because you couldn't
you couldn't take lunch in therebecause of being a quarantine um
station.
SPEAKER_09 (09:30):
But that's good though, because at least you're
eating decent food.
Yeah, well, uh instead of avending machine.
SPEAKER_10 (09:36):
And you say that it's uh that it's all about like
everything, we've known this fora long time, you are what you
eat.
V very much so.
SPEAKER_09 (09:43):
Um because it improves, you know, when we eat.
I I actually put a quote on myuh social media this week of
someone says to you, but fruit'sgot a lot of money.
Which social media, so we can uhgive it a black plug.
Yeah.
What is it?
Well, a healthy shift.
My my Instagram account is ahealthy shift.
Um and I I think we demonizefruit because of the sugar.
(10:07):
We go, oh, it's got a lot ofsugar in it.
But I challenge you, when wasthe last time you looked at
someone that was overweight andwent, oh I think they've eaten
far too much fruit.
You've eaten too much fruit.
Too much apples, too manyapples.
This person's far too much.
SPEAKER_10 (10:21):
I've got the banana and the apple.
This is the uh jazz, the jazzapple.
Yes.
Uh reassuringly expensive.
Yes.
Uh and the uh now tarnished, butas soon as they come into this
building, uh into thisparticular studio, it tarnishes
that bright yellow.
45 minutes have been sittinghere, it's the air conditioner
above us, I think.
(10:41):
Don't know.
I'm not sure what does that, butthat's the sugars in the right.
I don't know what it is.
But the browner they are, themore thing around about during
the proof.
SPEAKER_09 (10:51):
Fruit for night shift workers is absolutely
ideal.
And you know, we demonise sugarin fruit, but we shouldn't,
because of all the nutrients andthe goodness and fibre that's
actually in it.
But a lot of people head to thevending machine because they're
looking for that sweet treat,which we crave on night shift
for that energy, that glucose.
Our body's telling us, Oh, Ineed energy, I need energy.
(11:12):
So hit the vending machine, getthe chocolate.
But if you just had a handful ofblueberries, some strawberries,
um, like you've got the banana,the apple, that's all you need.
Handful of nuts.
SPEAKER_10 (11:22):
Strawberry.
SPEAKER_09 (11:22):
Strawberries are good.
Strawberries are delicious.
SPEAKER_10 (11:25):
Blueberries, I I read Blueberries are so good.
Well, but I read somewhere, seeeverybody has a different
opinion about these matters.
Very good.
SPEAKER_09 (11:32):
And it gets more So you say yes, blueberries are
exceptionally good because ofthe antioxidants in them,
particularly for night shiftersas well.
Because we have very lowmelatonin in our bloodstream
while we're on night shift, andwe've got to remember melatonin
is actually our cancereradicator, it's our free
radical um eradicator.
(11:52):
So, what we want is we wantsomething to help us with that
and support us withantioxidants.
So the blueberries are ideal.
So, one of my suggested snacksfor people is a YoPro yoghurt
with a handful of blueberries init.
Beautiful.
Stir that through the sweet, youget the sweet treat, you get the
blueberries, you get the fibre,you're getting all of the good
stuff that goes with it.
(12:12):
Perfect.
SPEAKER_10 (12:13):
Uh if you would like to uh contact Roger, you can do
that now.
We'll take some calls whereveryou are, right across Australia,
133693.
Uh, Roger has a former policeofficer, Vic Pole.
Uh 40 plus years uh sensational.
We were just uh prior to thejust while we were listening to
the news, uh you and I had apretty heated discussion about
the idea of uh uh voting systemsin Australia.
(12:34):
Yeah.
And I we've had several callsabout it over the uh over the
last uh few months about whetheror not the voting system that
we've adopted for some yearsreally now works in favour of uh
getting the right result.
The result that people say theywant, but they don't get because
of uh the voting system, whichis this idea of you know
(12:55):
trickle-down effect.
SPEAKER_09 (12:57):
Yeah, I think it's extremely confusing that you've
got um people who can be inpower that that were getting
preferential votes from a numberof other parties.
Or and I I just think that ifyou're gonna vote for a party,
you need to vote for that party,and that's it.
Right?
Or you're voting for the otherside of the city.
So you either get in you eitherlook if I'm voting for Tony
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McManus's party, then I'm votingfor Tony McManus's party, and I
want him in.
But then after that, you don'twant to vote for anybody else.
I don't want to have to vote foranybody else.
SPEAKER_10 (13:26):
So you don't have a vote.
You in other words, you're thennot.
SPEAKER_09 (13:29):
I go in and go, I cast my vote, bang, Tony
McManus, that's it.
This is who I want to run theplace.
Not oh, but if he doesn't getin, I'll have this person, oh
then I'll have this person.
And then number three and fourand six end up going to the
number one.
SPEAKER_10 (13:41):
But then you would have no say in who then gets
that seat because you'vewithdrawn your your vote by
definition.
(15:11):
That's right.
And that would be a problem.
So that means you don't careenough uh to uh vote for anybody
else apart from me.
That's right.
Wonderful that's a great system.
13693.
SPEAKER_09 (15:21):
If I ever stood, had to be.
Isn't that a presidentialelection?
Isn't that what they call apresidential election?
SPEAKER_10 (15:26):
How's that working out?
SPEAKER_09 (15:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10 (15:28):
133693 is the telephone number.
Jump on board, come and have ayak.
Look at the text uh uh we didget dumped, you know, uh,
because I think youinadvertently, as part of the uh
excitement, uh you may you maydon't bother because I've done
it too.
Sometimes in the passion, you gointo uh Roger mode and I think
you accidentally dropped Theworst thing is I don't even
(15:51):
realise I did not even realize Idid not order a fire truck.
Yes, you did.
That's exactly what you ordered.
Uh when you were involved withor know people that were working
with at Triple Zero, uh wouldpeople ring for the most
outrageous silly things likeI've lost my purse, I've lost my
wallet?
SPEAKER_09 (16:07):
I couldn't begin to tell you the calls, the wasted
calls to Triple Zero.
Um and the time that that takesup.
Well, it's taking up anemergency call taker every
single time that someone wouldcall up with, you know, oh I've
um my cat's stuck in the tree,or or um uh uh someone stolen my
(16:29):
garden gnome or the television'stalking to me.
No.
Oh yeah.
The television's talking to me.
And we would say to them thatthat's okay, or television's
talking to you, that's what itdoes, but are you talking back
to it?
Like the television.
The television's talking to you.
SPEAKER_10 (16:44):
Now, Pete, what have you lost, Pete, in Adelaide?
SPEAKER_13 (18:09):
Hello, I lost my glasses.
Oh, yeah.
Tony, I spent um nine hourstoday in Glomog among the algal
bloom, and then unfortunately Igot off the bus and I've lost
them.
Yeah.
There's a positive to everynegative.
(18:31):
Yesterday I became engaged.
SPEAKER_10 (18:34):
Oh, congratulations, fantastic.
SPEAKER_13 (18:36):
Thank you.
Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_10 (18:38):
We're very happy for it.
Um what's what what's what is uhwhat's her f his or her?
It's a him.
It's a him.
So what's his first name?
Well, he's an Indian.
Yeah, what's his first name?
Well, in English or in Indian?
Well, just a well it doesn'tmatter to me.
What do you what do you callhim?
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Bobby.
Well, Bobby.
Well, there you go, Bobby.
Congratulations to you, Pete.
That's lovely.
There's a problem.
There's a problem.
Well, there is there always is.
SPEAKER_13 (19:10):
The age gap.
It's just a number.
I just um no, we had a reallygood Tuesday here in Marlson,
and then when I went to Gronelthis morning, had a really good
day at the Lutheran church, andthen when I got him a beast, I
lost all sense of uh umdirection, etc.
(19:34):
Got off the beast in a very goodmood now.
No glasses.
SPEAKER_10 (19:38):
I hate that.
Uh well if anybody happens sowhat colour are they?
SPEAKER_13 (19:43):
What the glasses?
Yeah, well basic frames, yeah.
Yeah.
What colour?
But the thing, Tony, I can't doanything until tomorrow morning.
Okay.
SPEAKER_10 (19:53):
Well, I know that.
So again, I repeat.
Are they indicated?
What colour is the right?
Give us a bit of detail aboutthe name of the glasses.
SPEAKER_09 (20:02):
Describe them for us.
SPEAKER_10 (20:05):
Yeah, see if you're a witness in the stand, Pete,
and I said to you, uh, justdescribe for the uh for the jury
uh the aforementioned glasses,if you will.
This is what they look like.
SPEAKER_13 (20:15):
Basic with a silver uh frame.
SPEAKER_10 (20:18):
There you go.
Is there any label on it?
In particular, brand are they uhI don't know, are they a Mani?
SPEAKER_04 (20:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10 (20:24):
Speck Savers.
Specs, Speck Savers, nothingwrong with it.
Well, you should have gone toSpec Savers.
That's right.
They're gone, Pete.
SPEAKER_13 (20:35):
Were they insured?
No, but I'm gonna get intotrouble.
Mark Asen is gonna be mygroomsman at my wedding.
Give my give Mark my love.
And he's I'm gonna get intotrouble, by the way, but it
doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_10 (20:50):
Give him my love.
Well, I hope you find if peoplehappen to find out he has um as
their respect savers randomly.
Who do they call, Pete?
50A.
Oh, right.
They'll be called 50A.
They'll be thrilled.
They'll be thrilled to be partof the O.
Get on your feet.
Gee, I love this audience.
I just love this audience.
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Fantastic.
Now we're the glasses.
SPEAKER_09 (21:14):
Well, so this is what happens in the middle of
the night.
But this is what happens onTriple Zero.
If you're trying to drawinformation out of people, those
I I I want to say that the calltakers at Triple Zero have the
toughest job in the whole chainof getting everything out, the
information out of people.
In the heat of the moment,people grab their phone, dial
000, and they just want thepolice or the paramedics there
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instantly.
But what they don't realise iswhile we're asking the address
and we're getting the addressout of them, and they're just
saying, but I want the policehere.
Okay, we've got the address now.
We always get the address first,but then we want to get the
story.
What they don't realise is, andthis is what people need to
understand, as we are taking thedetail, that detail is already
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being relayed to the units outon the road.
So it's not holding them up.
The fact that you're on thephone still getting the detail
doesn't mean that we're waitinguntil the call hangs up to send
someone.
That detail really that detailis already being broadcast.
So for Amber?
Exactly the same for ambulance.
So ambulance, the the ambulancecall taker.
(22:19):
So you call 000, you come toTelstra, Telstra then direct you
to either the police, fire, orambulance.
Um and then you get to say youget to a um ambulance call
taker.
You're talking to the ambulancecall taker, the first thing
they're going to get is theaddress.
Bang.
They just want to confirm theaddress because if the call
drops out or anything happens,we've got somewhere to go.
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All right, at least.
So once we get that detail, thenwe start getting more and more
detail.
But people get frustrated withthe call taker, thinking, why
are you getting all this detail?
This is holding us up.
It is not holding you up at all.
Because the the units on theroad are already being directed,
the information as it's comingthrough, and it's refreshing on
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their screens for them.
So as they're driving to thejob, more and more information's
coming.
SPEAKER_10 (23:06):
Well, see, nobody's ever really I've never heard
that experience quite like that.
SPEAKER_09 (23:11):
Okay, well that's well, there you go.
That's something that'simportant for people to
understand so that you know whenyou call Triple Zero, you are
not being held up by the calltaker talking to you.
SPEAKER_10 (23:21):
Couple of quick calls.
Nathan, hi.
Hi.
Nathan, go ahead.
Uh Nathan, we might come back toyou.
103693.
We'll do this uh your callstraight after.
Wherever you are, right aroundAustralia, 508 in Adelaide, 3 uh
well or the great uh eight RadioNetwork, of course, uh 3AW here
(23:42):
in Melbourne, and of course 6PRin Perth.
Great to have your company.
Come and join us.
103693 is our telephone number.
For those in Perth, uh 103882.
So just your normal uh overnighttalkback number that will get
you through straight away.
Roger's on the road.
Uh say hi uh to uh the great manuh Roger here who is with us as
well, Roger Sutherland, uhtalking about night shift and
(24:04):
other issues.
Go, Roger, morning.
Roger, Roger.
SPEAKER_06 (24:08):
Good morning, good good evening over here.
Um uh Roger, we've got a fewRogers going on here.
SPEAKER_05 (24:15):
We have Roger, Roger, Ramjet.
SPEAKER_06 (24:22):
That's the way that's I um I uh I was very
interested to hear the way thatum information is communic um uh
consequent uh uh consecutivelyum conveyed through to the
ambulances on the way.
Um but um my comment my onlycomment is that um over here in
the west where we're luckyenough to have yet another Labor
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government, um what that allthat means is that the ambulance
gets to the ramping muchquicker.
Um and uh the the other commentis that the um the what what
you've just described is is umoutlining the efficiency of the
St.
John's ambulance service overhere.
And I find it very interestingthat when ambulance ramping
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numbers were being uh publicisedover here, um our illustrious
previous premier McGowan triedto blame the ambulance service
for it uh and not the hospitalswhich were uh actually to blame.
SPEAKER_09 (25:21):
Yeah, but that's a very big it's a thanks for your
call.
That's a common problem here.
I I think I I went to I had togo to the Royal Melbourne the
other week um to go for aspecialist appointment there,
seeing all the ambulances parkedat the Royal Melbourne.
Yeah, like that's real now,these are all there's you've got
to remember there's two crew,two members, ambulance officers
(25:41):
on every one of those trucks.
Every one of those ambulance.
SPEAKER_10 (25:45):
Often people get the government will go into denial
about that.
You can't deny it.
We've been having thatconversation in WA for decades.
SPEAKER_09 (25:51):
Yep, but you can't deny it's there, and the union
speaks about it, then they getsick of actually speaking about
it, and it's um it but it needspushing over and over again.
The health in this state, andwell obviously what uh Australia
wide is in a mess.
Um because it's the same, andyou've just heard it's the same
in Perth, it's the same here.
But I I coach paramedics, I'vegot a number of paramedics, and
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one of their biggest issues isramped at hospitals for hours
and hours and hours to the stagewhere um there's just so much
downtime for the game.
So where's the gap?
SPEAKER_10 (26:25):
Where's the gap, Rog?
Why is uh what do you reckon'sdriving that?
SPEAKER_09 (26:31):
Lack of beds in the hospitals, lack of staff and
lack of beds in the hospitals tobe able to efficiently triage
people and put them in.
Uh uh and the police, what wedon't realise is it's not only
the paramedics that are ramped,but the police are there as well
with mental health um patientsas well.
That they've got to get in andget assessed.
(26:52):
Well, they have to stay withthem until the uh doctors have
seen them and assess them aswell.
Half the time they've spent fouror five hours waiting with them,
doctor assesses them, and thenthey're back out on the streets
again straight away.
It's a massive problem.
SPEAKER_10 (27:05):
It's an ongoing problem for uh each and every
one of us.
Uh so it's hardly is Australiacertainly not uh uh world best
practice, is it?
Or is it?
I I think compared to othercountries.
It's very common Would you wantto be ill in India?
I'm not sure.
Would you want to be ill inChina?
In the UK you wouldn't.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same.
SPEAKER_09 (27:24):
No.
So what we've got, whilst notperfect.
We're not prioritising it.
Health is very important.
Health and law and order andhealth, if if anybody was to
come in with policies around lawand order and health, they they
would absolutely streak it in.
SPEAKER_10 (27:41):
Uh 133693.
Come and jump on board.
Leanne, you got a quickie forus?
Good morning.
SPEAKER_08 (27:46):
Yes, I'm calling triple A because I've got an
itchy bum and I need anambulance, and also um I can't
win for the last 24 hours.
SPEAKER_09 (27:58):
And that's about what we get.
SPEAKER_10 (27:59):
So you had you you had your uh how do I describe
this, Leah?
You had my procedure.
Your procedure.
How did it go?
SPEAKER_08 (28:06):
Very good.
I um it removed and gettingassessed.
Yeah, that's about it.
SPEAKER_10 (28:14):
Uh your home safe.
SPEAKER_08 (28:23):
Unfortunately, my funny enough.
I I'm not sure.
(28:44):
I I spoke fixed him earlier anduh he doesn't know they don't
know what happened.
But yeah, it sounds to me likehe might have had an allergy
reaction cardiac.
I would have thought so.
SPEAKER_10 (28:53):
Well, hope he's uh gonna be okay.
Lee and thank you.
Uh 13693.
Now, Mavis, you're a formernurse based in the beautiful
little town of uh Balan, not farfrom Ballarat.
Hello to you.
SPEAKER_03 (29:04):
Hello to you too.
Um, I cannot understand why theydon't have a s a room annexed to
the ER with just uh a nurse incharge of that room, and it's a
waiting room that brings allthose patients out of the
ambulances, gets the ambulancesback on the road, the patients
(29:27):
uh are in comf in comfort on umtrolleys in the in the waiting
room with assistance nearby ifurgently needed.
SPEAKER_09 (29:38):
But what about the ratio of nurse to patients?
That's one of the biggestproblems.
I I can it makes sense what yousay, but the reason why they're
ramped is because they've gottwo paramedics that are giving
them 100% attention all thetime.
So they're being used as thenurses and the treating
practitioner until they getseen.
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And that's why the ambulancesare tied up in that position.
So this is one of the biggestproblems that they actually have
around that.
And you know, to be able totriage quickly and efficiently
and then farm them off into bedsis where they they need to be
able to do that.
SPEAKER_10 (30:13):
But they go so well, we haven't got enough uh people,
enough groups, new people comingthrough, uh uh not enough
training, not enough beds, notenough, not enough money, not
enough money and staff is thebiggest problem that they have.
SPEAKER_09 (30:26):
And and and this brings me back to another issue
as well.
And it's topical, but we'recontinually to migrate, we're
bringing so many people into thecountry, but we don't have the
infrastructure in place, andwe're already buckling under
what we've got.
We're buckling in a big way.
Health and and health, inparticular, Sunshine Hospital,
Fuscro Hospital.
(30:47):
Go to these hospitals and have alook at their emergency
departments.
Um Shabby Or just busy.
Busy, just flat out busy all thetime.
Um and and this is a bigproblem.
Then you've got the ambulancesbecause the you know, everyone
gets prioritized, so then youget an ambulance pull-up that's
got someone on it that gottransported but probably doesn't
need urgent attention.
(31:07):
But you've got someone that'sjust a walk in that's got urgent
attention, so the paramedic hasto take the back seat, and then
you've got the police walk inwith a um mental health patient
that needs assessing as well,and it's a it's a diabolical
mess.
It really is.
SPEAKER_10 (31:21):
And there doesn't see and I don't want to be too
dark about this, but what's thelight at the end?
Is there a light at the end?
Is it a is it do we go back topolitics?
Yep.
SPEAKER_09 (31:32):
I I would say that they need to be looking at and
pouring the resources intohealth and law and order.
That's where it needs to be.
And I I will stand on this hill,I will die on this hill.
We don't need the newer roadsand underground railways and the
roads are in a roads are inappalling condition as well.
(31:53):
The roads are.
The roads are in a terrible, butwhy are we building new roads
when we can't look after theones that we've got?
SPEAKER_10 (31:58):
Don't start me talking.
Uh Mavis, uh you you retiredthese days, Mavis, obviously?
SPEAKER_03 (32:03):
Yes, I'm retired now.
I'm far too old.
SPEAKER_10 (32:07):
Well, I'm sure, but I'm sure you have uh sort of a
uh a real interest in how it'sall unfolding.
SPEAKER_03 (32:13):
Oh, I certainly do.
I certainly do.
SPEAKER_10 (32:17):
How long did you work as a nurse, Mavis?
SPEAKER_03 (32:20):
Pardon?
SPEAKER_10 (32:21):
How long were you a nurse?
SPEAKER_03 (32:23):
Oh my god.
Uh 1970 to 2010.
SPEAKER_10 (32:30):
Wow, wonderful.
Forty years ago.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Do you miss it at all, Mavis?
SPEAKER_03 (32:35):
Yes, very much.
SPEAKER_09 (32:37):
I bet.
You miss the commandery with thepeople that have got a common
interest with you, don't you?
SPEAKER_03 (32:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_09 (32:43):
Yes.
What what was your what is ityou actually miss?
SPEAKER_03 (32:49):
Um, I I miss the interaction with people.
Yes.
I miss not being able to helppeople.
SPEAKER_09 (32:57):
Um that's tremendous.
SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
I I'm the go-to person in the block of units
here.
SPEAKER_09 (33:02):
Oh better.
Yeah, of course.
I bet I can name what you don'tmiss.
I bet one thing I could namewhat you do not miss at all.
SPEAKER_06 (33:10):
What's that?
SPEAKER_09 (33:10):
The swing shift.
The swing shift.
See, you smile.
Yeah.
That's it's the devil, isn't it,the swing shift?
SPEAKER_03 (33:19):
Yes, I can remember I can remember getting up one
morning thinking I was on a sixI was on a six o'clock start,
six a.m.
start, and I jumped up and flewout of bed, and I had mis
misread the clock.
It was wasn't five past six, itwas half past one in the
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morning.
SPEAKER_09 (33:40):
Oh no.
Yeah.
Gee, we've done that.
Now can I just say this though,with with the nurses, nurses in
particular doing those swingshifts.
Now, when we talk of swingshifts to explain to people,
they're working until eleveno'clock at night, and then
they're on again at seveno'clock in the morning.
Now, by the time they wind down,finish drive home, they do their
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handover at eleven o'clock, getchanged, drive home, or drive
home.
Then they're terrified thatthey're not going to wake up, so
they get sleep anxiety and don'tsleep properly, which is exactly
what was just talked about.
You know, an alarm goes off andyou're terrified, you think
you're going to miss out, so youjump out of bed, you've misread
the clock, it's only five pastone instead of five past six.
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Then you've got to get up andthen you've got to go back to
work again.
My my question to you is wouldyou want to be the patient that
that person's looking after atseven o'clock in the morning?
SPEAKER_10 (34:29):
It's a great question.
I don't know the answer.
133693.
Mavis, we salute you.
SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
Oh, yeah, please salute me.
SPEAKER_09 (34:37):
Like really well done.
SPEAKER_03 (34:38):
I enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_10 (34:38):
Good on you.
Thank you very much.
Ian Holbrook in New South Wales.
Hello, Mark.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
Good morning, boys.
Just a question in regards tothe ambulance service.
SPEAKER_10 (34:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
So I heard on Melbourne Radio this uh I heard
on Melbourne Radio this morningan old gentleman and his wife
collapsed and fell on the floor.
He rang Triple Zero for anambulance.
It's not a priority job, but whywouldn't you ring a family
member or a neighbour?
My question is to what are wedoing as a community?
(35:08):
If we get a car license, weshould have first aid.
And that'll take at least 20% ofthe pressure off the ambulances.
Like my wife just rang me, myson's got a temperature of 40
degrees or 17.
She's had to take him to thehospital.
Right and call the ambulance,even though the ambulance cover,
she's taken him there.
But a GP in the morning would begood, but GP services aren't
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open 24-7.
No.
And most of the communities,particular migrants, they don't
have GPs where they come from.
They just go straight tohospitals.
That's the mentality you've gotto deal with.
I believe if everyone had firstaid, it would help the system.
SPEAKER_09 (35:42):
That is such a valid point.
That is cultural as well.
They go straight to a hospital.
They don't they don't think ofanything else other than we've
got to go to hospital.
So that's why the hospitals arefull of These people.
Um, and it causes them all sortsof problems.
I also agree with what you'resaying as well.
There needs to be more educationaround when you call triple
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zero, not just call triple zero.
Because when you're callingtriple zero for an ingrown
toenail because you want to rideto a hospital because you think
you won't get seen.
You're telling me that peoplewould do that.
Oh, absolutely.
They do this all the time.
And you know the thing with theambulance, they won't decline
it.
They will they will take thejob.
The call taker gets tied uptaking all the event.
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Remember, got to get theaddress.
Then they've got to step throughthe whole process of getting to
the root of the problem,whatever the problem is, and
continually going until they getthere.
And then it gets goes to asenior paramedic to look at the
job, assess the job.
Do we need to go to this?
We'll make a phone call.
They make a phone call.
Do we not?
All this is time that's taken.
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And people ring with a stomachupset.
They ring with, and when I sayan ingrown toenail, I've
sprained my wrist or I've got aproblem here.
You know, we need to learn whenwe need an ambulance.
And the point that's just beenmade is a really good point.
Culturally, they go straight tohospital because they don't have
all the other services availableto them.
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I wonder if people in Lifelinewould have similar sort of
stories to tell.
Yep, absolutely they do.
SPEAKER_10 (37:11):
133693.
We've got to do this when wecome back.
Uh Alan, Nathan Judge, we'llcome to you.
It's all part of Australiaovernight.
Look at all these wonderfultexts, Rob says.
So we've got a clearance.
Clarence.
Yeah, got a clearance.
Victor, Victor.
Roger, Roger.
Roger, Roger.
Uh Roger, I bet you get someabsolute doozy during the Triple
Zero when it's a full moon.
Does it?
Because the full moon, you saythe full moon is a thing.
It is.
SPEAKER_09 (37:31):
Anybody that works in emergency services.
SPEAKER_10 (37:34):
Scientists wouldn't say it's a thing, but those that
are on the ground's a thing.
SPEAKER_09 (37:37):
That's where the term lunatic comes from.
Lunatic.
That's where it comes from.
But um funny words, uh, you talkabout funny stories.
I can tell you, if you'redriving to work on night shift
and the full moon is in front ofyou, you just feel like turning
around and going straight backagain.
Oh no.
There is an absolute any nursewill tell you that there is an
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absolute correlation between thefull moon and the type of people
that we have.
SPEAKER_10 (38:02):
Uh we uh quote staffing issues yet.
2,000 graduate nurses funded bythe Victorian taxpayer.
There are no positions for them.
SPEAKER_09 (38:09):
That I yes, this is a massive problem.
SPEAKER_10 (38:11):
Hospitals need more staff, uh, just does not make
sense.
Taxpayers want their money spenton things like health or law and
order.
Another example, Victoriangovernment having the wrong
priorities.
Yep.
SPEAKER_09 (38:21):
Why are we focusing on big project bills that are
not as anywhere near asimportant as health and law and
order?
I don't understand it.
Well and I don't think thepublic understand it.
SPEAKER_10 (38:33):
No, they well, no, they probably don't.
So what's in it for governmentthat uh they're doing what they
think is going to get themre-elected?
Presumably.
And in oh and I've said thisbefore, in if there was a if
there was an election coming upthis weekend in in Victoria, in
South Australia, in WA, theexisting government most likely
(38:54):
would be re-elected.
SPEAKER_09 (38:55):
Yeah, but I don't I not on merit.
SPEAKER_10 (38:57):
Now, are you gonna say merit has nothing to do with
it?
They would be re-elected.
SPEAKER_09 (39:01):
Oh, well they okay, well, they would be probably
re-elected, but it's onlybecause of the system, not
because of the person.
SPEAKER_10 (39:07):
Democracy.
Yep.
So fling democracy.
You've gone down that track now.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (39:13):
Oh dear.
I I I look, I I just I you well,you know what my point is in
relation to it.
Um and and there's been a lot ofdiscussion.
Uh it's the same in SouthAustralia, it's the same in West
Australia.
They they are all sitting therewanting to know how the person
that's in charge is actually incharge with such power to do the
things that they're doing andhow they're going about it.
(39:33):
Um you voted them in.
You voted them in.
You voted them in.
Uh Alan Coolaroo, hi.
SPEAKER_02 (39:41):
I was gonna bring up about the emergency apartments,
but the chap in Holbrook broughtit up.
That we're so multicultural whenyou go there and he's full of
every nationality because they'drather go to a hospital than a
GP.
SPEAKER_09 (39:58):
Yes, correct.
And this is the problem.
And that's why it's so.
SPEAKER_10 (40:02):
It's part of the problem.
How do we explain to everybodythat's not the way to go?
How do we is that abouteducation?
Is that the role of governmentto educate people if if you're
unwell, these are your options.
The options not just to go to anemergency via an ambulance or
whatever.
SPEAKER_09 (40:16):
No, that's right.
You go to any emergencydepartment, wander around any
emergency department, and have alook at the culture of the
people that are actually fillingthe emergency departments.
SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_09 (40:25):
Uh Nathan, you wanted to say hello?
SPEAKER_00 (40:27):
Hello, sorry about it before I was my phone just
got cut out.
SPEAKER_04 (40:31):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
Um there's a question.
Why do the ambulance always callyou guys if they have a problem
with with a patient?
SPEAKER_09 (40:42):
Well, now that is a very valid point as well,
because that was one of my jobswhen I worked at Triple Zero Um
as a police supervisor.
That the paramedics would theydon't have security guards and
they're not there to be beltedup.
And that's so what they want isthey want the security of the
police there to support them.
And look, they're brothers andsisters out on the road at the
(41:03):
same time doing the same job.
So we go and support them.
Those relationships historicallyvery important and good,
extremely strong.
But I I will say that I thinksince um and this is through
communication, like I know whenI was working the road and I was
around, we adored our paramedicsand the water fairies.
We'd call them the waterfairies.
The water fairies.
That's what they are, the waterthe water fairies.
SPEAKER_10 (41:24):
You're referring to the great fire rescue people.
SPEAKER_09 (41:26):
The fire rescue people.
Yeah, great.
SPEAKER_10 (41:28):
The water fairies.
Well, you know what are theycalled, what do they call
coppers?
SPEAKER_09 (41:33):
I don't know, but it's a it's an ongoing battle
between the two all the time,and uh there was nothing more
satisfying than putting yourlights and sirens on as you're
driving past the fire station attwo o'clock in the morning.
But you know, because they'resleeping.
I think we resent the fact thatthey're there getting paid and
they're sleeping and they'reworking out in the gym during
their shifts while the vancrew's getting flogged on the
road.
(41:54):
They're sleeping.
Well, they are.
They're not sleeping.
The fire brigade, you say, arethey absolutely?
No, they're not.
They are absolutelycategorically the fire brigade
is sleeping on night shifts.
SPEAKER_10 (42:04):
I'm doing uh I'm doing a couple of uh nights
early next year on duty, doing acouple of uh with uh fire rescue
Victoria.
SPEAKER_09 (42:12):
So you'll be sleeping.
No.
You will absolutely be sleeping.
They have to rest and reclare.
Police and station?
SPEAKER_10 (42:17):
No.
Okay.
You're in for a shot.
Well, you can't.
I'll tell you now, take asleeping bag.
You come with me, we'll do ittogether.
Okay.
Take a sleeping bag becauseyou'll need it.
Uh Bronny in South Yara.
Hello, Bronny.
SPEAKER_11 (42:30):
Uh hi boys.
Listen, the reason a lot ofpeople go straight to the
hospital, in my opinion, is theyvirtually don't pay anything for
it.
SPEAKER_04 (42:38):
Correct.
SPEAKER_11 (42:39):
I mean, if you went to an that's exactly it.
So now they should have to pay.
That's why the Alfred's goingbroke, everyone's going broke.
They should have to pay likethey would have to go to a
doctor.
SPEAKER_09 (42:49):
There you go, fee based.
It's it's actually uh that's nowthat comes from someone you're
passionate about it.
Have you have you got anyinvolvement in the industry at
all?
SPEAKER_11 (42:58):
Um, look, I I've got a nephew that works at the
Alfred, he tells me all thestories about what goes on in
there.
These people know uh if they'renot near a bulk billing, for
example, and it's not open, yougo straight to a hospital, you
get free treatment, you get foodif you need it.
You know what I mean?
Um just telling you.
SPEAKER_10 (43:17):
So anecdotally, Bronny, you feel uh some of them
are actually taking the piss.
SPEAKER_09 (43:20):
Yep, they are.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_11 (43:21):
Oh, absolute racket.
SPEAKER_10 (43:23):
There you go.
Stay there, we're gonna do this.
We'll come back in just amoment.
It is Australia Overnight.
I'm Tony McManus.
Roger Sutherland is here.
It is uh a little segment wecall what do we call it?
A healthy shift.
A healthy shift.
Uh it's Australia Overnight.
Come and join us 133693.
What we've learned, of course,is that the uh triple O thing is
really uh quite extraordinary.
(43:44):
Uh and nobody's ever explainedthat, certainly to me, that that
data is being downloaded as soonas you really are making that
phone call uh and you've givenpresumably uh fundamental
details, it's already beendownloaded.
It's already been given out.
It's already on its way.
And even whilst you might bepanicking, you might be taking
take the breath, but it'salready in motion.
SPEAKER_09 (44:05):
Listen to the call taker is what I say.
Listening to the call take itis.
SPEAKER_10 (44:10):
So do I.
You go have a select.
SPEAKER_09 (44:12):
I'm gonna I'd better wait till 2.30.
SPEAKER_10 (44:16):
Yes, okay.
All right, morning.
Okay, all right, okay.
It is a straight or overnight,uh your call straight after
this.
Don't go away.
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