December 10, 2025 • 41 mins
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We unpack how light shapes sleep, mood, and performance, then connect it to the real strain on shift workers and police. Practical tools for anxiety, pain, and late-night routines give listeners immediate steps while we challenge how systems value frontline health.
• why daylight calibrates circadian rhythm and melatonin
• hidden harms of indoor LEDs, screens, and blue-heavy light
• day lenses versus full blue blockers and when to use each
• simple morning light habit to anchor your clock
• breathing drills to cut anxiety and aid sleep onset
• SAD, winter mood dips, and getting outside even on cloudy days
• policing attrition, burnout, and the cost of lost experience
• funding gaps and why retention beats recruitment alone
• night driving exposure and safer post-shift wind-downs
• pen and paper by the bed, phone out of reach
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SPEAKER_02 (03:11):
Come and be part of the programme of Stradio
Overnight, 5A in Adelaide, 6VOin 38 Radio Network, 3AW here in
Melbourne, in 54321.
Say hello to Roger.
(03:34):
Interesting.
Uh now he sits in the same uharea or the same platform, if
you like, as Carol Lee Cats andButters on a Friday morning.
Uh Carol Lee, Carol Lee, sayhello to Roger.
Roger, say hello to Carol Lee.
Carolie's not here, but she willbe listening.
Roger, good morning.
SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
Love the section with Carol uh Carol Lee.
She's fantastic.
I listen to it podcasted everysingle week.
It is my favourite listener, andI want to say thanks to Carol
Lee for the shout-out.
And here's one back.
Yeah, that was very kind.
SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
And it's lovely to have you in the uh studio
wearing.
I should uh share with theaudience across Australia uh
this amazing pair of glasses.
Gotta get myself a pair of this.
Now just explain.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Okay, so as people know, people that watch me
overnight, those that watch onthe cameras, can see that I
generally wear the blue lightblocking glasses.
Yeah.
Um, but the problem that I haveis I wear a prescription lens,
and my blue light blockingglasses are not a prescription
lens.
So while I'm talking to you,it's fine, but I can't see the
screen.
I ordered six weeks ago fromBlock Blue Light a pair of day
(04:39):
lenses.
So that's the brand Block.
Block Blue Light is the name ofthe brand.
Blue Light.
Yeah, they're out of Deremt inum Victoria.
And um I ordered theprescription lens.
Now, this is a yellow-colouredday lens.
Now, what this lens does is itdoesn't block blue light, it
just blocks the high-energyvisible.
(05:01):
Right for the blue light.
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
For those that might be joining us just for the first
time, explain again, if youwill, briefly the idea of the
blue light, particularly whenyou're working overnight, uh,
why they can be uh a littleproblematic.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
Okay, so we as humans are diurnal and we have a
biological clock which runsdaytime and nighttime.
It is incredibly important forus to actually anchor that clock
with daylight and in particularwith the blue spectrum of 480
nanometers of blue light in thewhich we generally get during
(05:36):
the day.
And it's no coincidence, it'sthe colour of blue sky, it's the
same colour blue as that.
Now, as we're looking at lightoutside, we are actually seeing
a spectrum of blue in that.
But there's also infrared,there's green, there's
ultraviolet, and the infrared isthat heat that we actually feel
on our um skin.
(05:57):
So that's why daylight is sohealthy for us.
Now we spend nearly 80% of ourlife now inside, indoors, under
artificial light.
Is it that high?
80%.
Is it?
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
And it's people that are in a home, they're in an
office, uh away from, as youwould say, I think, natural
light, if you like.
SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
We don't get enough natural light in our lives.
People are on devices andthey're looking at screens on
devices, they're looking atcomputer screens.
A lot of people working fromhome too now, Tony.
So what we do, and of course,this is going to become a bigger
problem.
Through COVID, a lot of themental health issues and a lot
of the problems that we hadthrough COVID and people gaining
weight was not going outside.
(06:38):
People were not getting outsideand getting that light.
Now, this light has a hugeimpact on everything.
It has an impact on diet, has animpact on our mental health, has
an impact on um biologicalfunction.
Uh, a lot of people really getum mental health problems
because of their not gettingoutside in that daylight.
It is incredibly important thatwe get the green as well as the
(07:01):
blue, as well as the red, aswell as the ultraviolet.
Daylight is incredibly healthyfor us.
Even on an overcast day,daylight is incredibly healthy.
Now, while we're inside andwe've got these overhead lights
and these blue screens thatwe're looking at, there's no
infrared in those.
And that's poor.
SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
And but the this this work environment which you
won't are in now, I mean, we'resurrounded by a lot of screens,
it's the nature of the beast.
SPEAKER_08 (07:29):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
And I don't know that that's ever going to be
reversed.
No.
Unlikely it would ever bereversed.
But who knows what the next 10,20, 30, or 40 years might be.
But it's unlikely it would bereversed.
But you say I've got whilst I'vegot the house lights, as it
were, pretty well dimmed,there's still a hell of a lot of
light.
SPEAKER_01 (07:45):
A lot of blue light.
Blue light, right?
Now, unfortunately for 3RW, thebranding is blue, right?
So we're in the studio here andwe've got screens which have got
blue light.
But I can tell you this, thereis a company in the US, there's
a few companies now that haveactually developed screens that
have a zero blue in them.
So you can actually be healthilylooking at these screens, right?
(08:09):
The company's called Chorus,people can look them up, um, and
they are developing lighting aswell as screens.
So these monitors that we'relooking at here can be replaced
with chorus monitors and chorus,the chorus monitor actually um
is healthy for people to look atand use.
Up close.
Up close or how well.
SPEAKER_02 (08:28):
What if you're watching a big TV screen, for
example, you've got your Sony,you've got your Samsung,
whatever it is, your TCO,whatever it might be.
Yep.
I mean, there are zillions ofthose there out in the market,
but people are using those eachand every day at home.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
And they're damaging our health because what they're
doing is they are confusing ourcircadian clock.
And if we look at the peoplethat are having trouble with
sleep, now a lot of people say,Oh no, I don't have any trouble
with sleep because I can go tosleep after looking at my
device.
And the research shows uscategorically that you can
actually look at devices beforeyou go to sleep because it
(09:01):
doesn't impact on you going tosleep, on what we call sleep
latency.
But it does disrupt ourcircadian rhythm.
And in even more, what's morediabolical is it inhibits the
actual production of melatonin.
Now, melatonin is our sleephormone, but it actually signals
darkness to our body, andmelatonin is also our free
(09:24):
radical eradicator.
So while melatonin is elevatedin our bloodstream, it's
actually attacking anderadicating cancer cells in our
in our bloodstream.
And this is why we have suchhigh incidences of cancer in
shift workers.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
Uh there's so much to work cover off.
We'll get to calls in just amoment.
Those that are waiting, onedouble three, six, nine, three,
anything you would like to raiseon the programme.
I should point out for thosethat don't may not know, uh
Roger is founder of A HealthyShift.
A veteran, a veteran lawenforcement officer.
How many years?
Forty years.
Uh these days, Roger helps shiftworkers uh not just get through
(09:58):
their uh shifts but actuallythrive by doing so.
It's all about coaching, it'senjoying outside life and work.
Uh so for example, uh, I didabout an hour and a half uh
outside in the garden.
Beautiful, the lawn's gorgeous,uh, shirt off baby, uh, and the
sun was shining, and I feelbetter for it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Now I just want to make a point on that.
How much better do we feel inthe summer?
Because we're outside a lot morethan we are in the year.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Yeah, well a lot of people would then understand
that for sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
Now and that's why and feel miserable in winter.
You know when we say you got theSADs?
Have you got the SADs?
And people get what we call SADin the winter time, which is
seasonal affective disorder.
It's insufficient, blue, and thespectrum of light.
No one's outside.
There's snow up on their couchwatching TV because it's cold
outside.
If there's one tip that I wouldgive every single person that's
(10:48):
listening to this program,everyone, no matter where you
are, within 30 minutes ofgetting up, get outside.
Just get your coffee and sit onyour back doorstep and get that
daylight and anchor yourcircadian rhythm to that
particular point so that itknows exactly where you're at in
time and space.
SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
When we come back, we're going to talk about uh
some of these stats uh workingin frontline police.
It's really quite staggering.
You may have seen a piece of theQueensland papers uh the talk
about uh officers that arequitting, and this is not just
about Queensland, it's rightaround Australia.
It's very similar themes.
Uh sick leave for uh officersaround Australia, the cost of
that, uh how many new and wherethe recruits are coming from.
(11:30):
That's going to look in the nextfive to ten because this program
is inundated morning aftermorning after morning after
morning.
Uh and the expression now isthey need to do more.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Yeah, everyone wants the police.
They need to do more.
They want the police to be doingmore.
One of the biggest problems thatwe have at the moment is, and
and the figures that are out ofQueensland are are horrific, and
they've been obtained by the theCourier, and that is Courier
Mail.
Yeah.
The Courier Mail.
Um the 709 officers quit in thelast financial year out of
Queensland.
(12:00):
Um over the last five years,they've lost almost 3,000
members.
Three.
3,000 in five years.
Now you've got to remember, theyall have to be replaced, and
they all have to be trained, andthey have to be educated into
how to go about the experiencethat they would have lost was
massive.
SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
That's the thing, like zillions of years of
combined experience.
And that's the real issue.
We'll do this when we come back.
Uh, your calls come and join us.
133693.
In Melbourne, right now, Ishould tell you, uh, just over
12 degrees, that high of 22.
Uh Perth, gorgeous afternoonover there, late after late
evening, rather, 25 degrees anduh top coming your way, 31
degrees for your Thursdaymorning.
(12:37):
And Adelaide, hello.
Uh 17 degrees with a top today,32 degrees, mainly sunny in your
beautiful city.
Uh, it is Australia overnight.
I'm Tony McManus, more withRoger Sutherland, the other side
of this.
And when you're in through thefirst voice you hear, it is
young Anne Jackson who isworking the other side of the
glow.
It's a good man, he is.
He's a legend.
Uh one double four well, notyet, he's not a legend.
(12:59):
He's working towards becomingone.
I got him listening to the cue,though.
Well, for that alone, you shouldbe credited.
He should get brownie points forthat.
Yes.
Uh he got him.
He got them listening back tothe cure.
SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
And he wasn't excited.
He was.
But was he listening to the curefor the first time?
I told him two weeks ago, and helistened to it on the way in
tonight.
He knew my name was on the listand he went, Oh I've better
listen to the cure.
SPEAKER_02 (13:24):
What am I gonna do?
Uh there you go.
That's very funny.
133693.
And here's the question that wewant you to ask.
What is answer?
What is the one thing if thereis such a beast?
Yep.
What is the one thing that keepsyou awake at night?
One thing that keeps you awakeat night.
133693.
SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
Is it worry?
Is it stress?
Is it temperature?
Is it is it just your body clockjust seems to wake up at some
time?
Everybody has that some issuethat keeps them awake.
So what is it?
I want to know what it is thatkeeps you awake, and I'll help
you to solve that.
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
I spoke to a uh nurse.
Well, she still works a nurse,semi-retired, I guess, that does
about one night a week.
So it's still a commitment.
And that and even is it's partof the conversation.
She didn't really know who I wasuh and talking about it, but I
then shared a bit later on, andshe's aha, that makes a lot of
sense.
Uh, because that one night, thethe disruption that that is to
(14:16):
the flow of the week is still asum not intimidating, it's still
i the same impact as if you weredoing three or four nights a
week of uh overnight work as anurse.
Forty plus years, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (14:29):
Okay, so I I've I did shift work for 40 years,
right?
I haven't done shift work.
Well, I've been coming into thisstudio once a fortnight for the
last two years, right?
And I come in on this night, sohow do I go about this shift
here tonight?
So, what I do, I was awake at 6a.m.
this morning because I yesterdaymorning, as in Wednesday
(14:50):
morning, I got up at 6 a.m.
I get up at that time every day,I get my daylight, I get my have
my sit outside with my coffee,it tells my body it's daytime,
it's go time.
I go through the whole day.
I have a nap for about an hourand a half in the evening.
So before I came into the show,I went to bed for an hour and a
half.
But you wouldn't have a nap lateafternoon, no early afternoon if
(15:13):
you weren't joining me at twelveo'clock.
No.
Okay, right.
No, no, I wouldn't normally.
But because I know I'm coming intonight, I go to bed at the same
time I would normally go to bed,right?
So, and you're gonna laugh, but8 30, 9 o'clock, because that's
me.
That's just what I do.
So nine o'clock, I'm go to bedand I have an hour and a half.
We sleep in 90 minute cycles.
(15:33):
It's important for people tounderstand that we sleep in 90
minute cycles, so I wake myselfup after a 90-minute cycle.
I come out of that really well,so therefore, I then come in, do
the show.
I do block the blue light whileI'm here so that my body doesn't
realise that it's like.
Then I drive home and I gostraight back to bed and I go
(15:53):
straight back to sleep, but Iwill be up in the morning at 6
a.m.
again.
Right.
So I will actually, Melissa'sworking in the morning and her
alarm will go off at 5.
I will listen to your last halfan hour of the show, even though
I've been home and slept.
I'll still listen to the lasthalf an hour of the show.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
Now, one of the one of the things that often comes
up in this little segment, asI'm pursued, is that the people
many people right acrossAustralia that are listening
will often say we listen allmorning or we listen to uh quite
a bit of the program uh becauseI I don't sleep well.
SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
And a lot of that is because they're listening to the
program.
Well, we want them to.
Of course we do.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
I understand that.
Otherwise the program doesn'texist, it would sound like this.
Which would be really awkward.
We don't want.
Nothing.
I sleep with one eye, one eyeopen, ready for combat.
Well, that's another clearly uhTony.
You keep me uh uh thank you.
(16:54):
Let's take a couple of quickcalls.
Now, Chris, you wanted to saygood morning.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Uh yeah, uh hello, Roger.
Hello, Chris.
I've been trying to live a lotof food at the last week, but
I've made it on it.
(18:58):
Sure, there's a lot of people onhold and a lot of problems.
I think it's better than a rushfree calls.
And therefore, uh it doesn'thelp me with my existence of
anxiety and I was just gonna sayit gives you gives you anxiety.
SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
Yeah, and and this is very common, Tony, as well.
A lot of people that strugglewith sleep, they start to get
anxiety about sleep, and so whathappens is that anxiety then
starts to impact on sleep and itjust becomes a vicious circle.
You've got to break into thatanxiety.
Do you want a tip?
Yeah, please.
Okay.
Lie on your back, put one handon your navel in bed.
(19:31):
You're in bed and you're lookingto go to sleep.
Put one hand on your navel.
SPEAKER_02 (19:34):
We're all doing this together.
So imagine that you're lyingdown on your back.
SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
On your back in bed, right?
Calm, ready for sleep.
On your pyjami top.
One hand on your navel.
I want you to breathe throughand go.
Doesn't make any difference.
It's just tactile.
It's the reason why we put ahand on our navel is because
it's tactile and it forces us tobreathe down into it, right?
So put your hand on your naveland breathe down through your
(19:57):
nose.
Now we're breathing in throughour nose for a count of four.
And then we're not holding.
And then we're breathing outlike we're going to blow out air
through a straw.
Oh.
For as long as you can do thatfor.
To you uh almost empty the lungand beyond that, perhaps.
Yes.
Beyond because what we want todo is we want to exhale all of
(20:20):
the oxygen out of our lung, andthen we breathe back in through
(21:45):
the nose for four.
You'll only go about six cycles,you'll be gone.
This is what um marines do.
SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Right.
Uh, lots of texts, we'll get tothem in just a moment.
Chris, I thank you.
Uh Justin, good morning.
SPEAKER_04 (21:56):
You wanted to say good morning, guys.
Um, yes, I just wanted to sayI've been diagnosed with
depression and anxiety, and umlast couple of days or weeks,
uh, my my depression has gotpretty bad.
Um, I've been taken off my ummedication.
I'm just wondering if there'sany tips you can give me.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Uh Justin, can I tell you I don't know what it is
at the moment, but my depressionand anxiety has been horrendous
for the last few weeks.
Because I have do you knowwhat's driving the I don't know
what's driven it, but I it'sbeen very, very difficult.
Now, a lot of people could sayit's a lunar cycle, it could be
anything.
I don't know what it is, but um,I've really suffered.
(22:39):
But Justin, can I just give youthat advice?
What I said about that breathingis informing your nervous system
that you are actually safe, andby doing that, will literally
help you to calm down.
So whenever you start feelingyourself work getting worked up
and you feel yourself gettinganxious, like you're coming onto
the radio, you know, to talk tous now, just breathe in through
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your nose for four seconds intoyour hand and your stomach, and
then breathe out like you'rebreathing out through a straw
for a count of eight.
You will literally feel yourbody calming because you are
informing your nervous systemthat you are safe.
SPEAKER_02 (23:15):
Uh good on you, Coba.
Uh Justin, you look afteryourself, keep in touch.
Darrell, morning.
SPEAKER_06 (23:21):
Good morning.
I think I've got the perfectantidote for not being able to
sleep because every time I getinto bed with my wife, she says,
I'm asleep.
So I think I'm the perfectantidote.
SPEAKER_01 (23:32):
There you go.
Perfect.
And I'm the same.
And this is a male thing.
Women go to bed, and this is aclassic, right?
There's two things men, women.
I get into bed, I'm out like alight.
Yeah.
Are you the same, Tony?
Uh, pretty quickly.
Yep.
I'm out like a light.
Very, very quickly.
Women are very different.
Females are different.
They go to bed, and what theywant to do is they then want to
(23:55):
have a committee meeting.
They do no.
No, it's true.
They can't say that.
Yeah.
Women will admit it.
I've got clients that will tellyou they get to bed and that's
when they want to have thecommittee meeting.
Now, the problem is men are notholding space for their women at
that time because the man's goneto sleep.
Now it's not say it's it'sactual fact.
That's what they do.
(24:16):
It's true.
And I'm not being critical ofwomen per se.
It is scientifically proven thatwomen want to have a committee
meeting at that time of thenight.
That's when their head becomesactive.
SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Uh I usually put in uh an earbud.
SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
So you can't hear the committee meeting?
SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
So I'm not listening to the committee meeting.
So then the in anywhere inanywhere of the shared house.
The so and I I'm gone within andI'm usually listening to
something boring.
Well, it is.
It's really boring.
It's dull.
Yeah.
Um, do you know of uh there'sAnd it within within three, you
(24:52):
know, two, three, four, I'mgone.
SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Happily gone.
I I'll have to on the next showI'll bring in these new AI sleep
buds that I've got that are madeby Oslo Sleep.
They are unbelievable.
You put them in and you'relistening to like an audio book,
and it's it registers whenyou've gone to sleep and it just
goes across the white noise.
And if you are sleeping with asnorer, it uh it hears that and
(25:17):
it elevates the noise cancellinguntil the snoring stops and then
it drops the noise cancellingout.
Really?
I am not kidding.
SPEAKER_02 (25:23):
Are they new to the market?
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Yep.
So they're monitoring somebodyelse next to you who might be
snoring.
The case is actually monitoringthe room, and as the noise comes
up in the room, so it elevatesthe noise cancelling in the in
the through the earbuds, andthen as the noise dies in the
room, so it reduces the noisecancelling in the buds.
How much?
400.
SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
133693.
At the moment.
Committee meeting.
Committee meeting, you say.
Uh G'day, Tony Mac and Roger.
Uh liking the programs.
Uh, please tell Roger Bostonmaking Come on more than once a
fortnight, says David.
Let's negotiate that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
Let's negotiate that.
Negotiable.
SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
You are negotiable.
All right.
133693.
We'll get a couple of thesetexts before we go, because I
want to talk to you about uhsome of these trends with uh law
enforcement as well.
Uh things that break my sleep,says David Morning, aren't
always the big dramas.
It could be something like aBill, Bill's the inbox, uh, the
ache in the knee that you swearwasn't there yesterday.
(26:20):
Yep.
Yes, isn't that a great line?
It's a great it'd be a song, Ireckon.
The ache in your knee and youswear it wasn't there yesterday.
Uh or the whispering doubt thatwas forgotten of someone's
Christmas present.
Maybe the news cycle.
Uh I've been told that the newscycle can be really impactful
too, particularly at thiscurrent time post-COVID and
post.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
Yep.
Subconsciously, all this isgoing in all the time and it's
rattling around in our brain.
SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
Yeah, or the dog deciding it's three o'clock in
the morning is perfect andlooking for some introspection.
It might even be my own brain.
Have a listen to this.
Replaying a conversation from1998.
But in the quiet hours yourealise you are still here,
still trying, still hopingtomorrow lands a little bit
softer, and somehow all of thathelps.
SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
That's a great text.
I love that.
Wonderful.
Um the the text from David, theone about the big dramas, um,
it's not the big dramas, it'sthe little things that occur,
and this is literally what getspeople in a mess.
So what I um what I wouldsuggest for you, David, is that
breath work at some stage, evenif it's a four-four, the box
breathing, four in, hold forfour, four out, um, and then
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hole for four.
And the reason being is becauseyour brain has to focus on the
counting, it lets go of all ofthe other things, and then you
go to sleep.
So, because your brain isfocusing on the counting and
your breathing.
Um, it when we're subconsciouslybreathing, we are focusing on
other thoughts and we're notfocusing on our breathing.
On the breathing.
If you reverse that, it can makea massive difference to you.
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The other tip, pen and paper bythe bed, you will be amazed at
the difference that a small padand a pen by your bed.
As soon as something comes intoyour mind, write it down, put it
down, it's out of your mind.
For some reason the body lets itgo, off you go.
SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
And I've heard Ross Stevenson on 3AW in the Bricky
program on uh A dub talkingabout the idea of uh not having
the phone that close or havingit away from the makes a
difference, he reckons, in termsof how he sleeps.
SPEAKER_01 (28:16):
Yep, yep, because subconsciously you're aware it's
right there and you can look atit, but if it's not there, then
i it's amazing the impacts thatour day-to-day life has on us
without realizing.
SPEAKER_02 (28:28):
Uh let's talk about some of the issues facing uh
officers, uh shift workers'officers all around Australia.
But let's talk about police forthe moment because that's your
uh that's your history of 40plus years.
Uh that report, as you saidearlier, the Courier Mail, uh,
709 officers.
Uh they said that's it, we'redone in the last financial year.
Yep.
2,832 left the service in thelast five years.
(28:53):
I mean, you lose all thatexperience.
SPEAKER_01 (28:55):
Yeah.
Now the thing is as well, umthis is not unique to Queensland
police, so let's make that clearas well.
West Australia, South Australia,and Victoria Police have
probably got bigger problems.
I know we've heard Wayne Gattsspeak on this program here.
He's our uh the policeassociation uh secretary or the
president of the street.
Um Wayne has said that uh wehave like 2,000 unfilled
(29:21):
positions in VicPol.
We've got 1,300, about 1,200 to1,300 unfilled positions, and
they've also got seven or eighthundred people on work cover, on
long-term work cover.
Now that means you've got twothousand unfilled positions.
Now, Victoria Police has sixteenthousand sworn members.
That means that nearly twelveand a half percent of your force
(29:43):
are off and not working.
How can you function like that?
And you can't.
And I will say this, and I Iwill be very clear with all of
these policing organizations,that fatigue and burnout does
not wait for a budgetallocation.
(30:03):
And you have to find the moneyto look after the people that
you've still got.
And I'll tell you why, becausethey are your recruiters, and
while they're leaving, what theyare actually doing is sending a
message to people, why would Iwant to do that?
SPEAKER_02 (30:16):
Yeah, well, and uh I've got to jump in and probably
say just to be the uh devil fora moment, uh, there ain't no
money in the tin, my friend.
And therein lies part of theproblem, which obviously not the
uh it's not the pol it's not uhVic pol's issue, but the reality
is there's not the money there,and so a government who would
normally be able to supply thosesorts of funds are not in a
(30:37):
position to do that, the debt ishorrendous.
SPEAKER_01 (30:39):
I but I would argue as well that you cannot be
spending money on the thingsthat you're spending money on
while your health and lawenforcement are in so much
trouble at the moment.
And I I would argue I'll stand,I'll die on this hill, that you
can't be building and doingthese other things while your
health is on its knees andbuckle.
If only people realise just howhorrendous the nursing situation
(31:01):
is, how horrendous the policingsituation is.
The reason why we don't see thepolice out and about patrolling
and doing those jobs, they'rejust rushing from one to the
next, is because there aren'tany.
SPEAKER_02 (31:12):
Yeah.
Uh come and tell us about yourasleep pattern, 133693.
Have you managed it over theyears?
Have you got a little trick thatyou'd like to share with uh us?
Yours truly, Tony McManus, RogerSutherland, Australia Overnight.
Jenny Milgrove, good morning.
SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
Hi, Tony and Roger, how are you?
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
Morning, Jenny.
SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
Good.
Um, I don't sleep very wellbecause I have a lot of severe
pain.
SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Pain?
That's a problem.
That is a massive problem.
And that will be serious.
SPEAKER_02 (31:41):
There are many too, Jen.
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
Yeah, I have arthritis really, really bad um
knees with arthritis.
And they probably can't operatebecause I'm high risk because of
everything else I've got.
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
That's no good at all.
Can I ask you a question, Jenny?
Do you have a committee meetingwhen you go to sleep?
When you go to bed?
Is that when all the thoughtscome?
SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
Well, I listen to the radio all night because I'm
totally on my own now.
I've lost all my slaves ones.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
I'm sorry to hear that.
But what I say is true, isn'tit?
A lot of women, when they go tobed, that that's their shutdown
time, but that's the time whenall of a sudden they start
thinking about everything elseready for the day.
Um am I off the mark here or amI right?
SPEAKER_03 (32:26):
You're right.
Now I think about my latepartner and my friend going, and
so I have the radio going tostop my brain from going.
SPEAKER_01 (32:35):
That's right.
It's distracting for you.
It gives you something to focuson.
It's it's terrible that thathappens, but how good is it you
got us to listen to?
SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It takes me a couple of hours,then I get to sleep, and then
I'll wake up in the morning andthere's no pain, and then I'll
stand up and all over again.
SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
That's terrible.
It that's awful.
Are you able to get outside?
Can I can I say, are you able toget outside, um, Jenny?
Yep.
Do you get outside and sit insit and I I mean this with the
utmost sincerity.
Are you able to get outside andsit outside during the day for
periods of time?
SPEAKER_03 (33:12):
When I'm home, yes, I can.
I do.
I go out and sit at the front,out the front, and just get my
vitamin D.
SPEAKER_01 (33:18):
Beautifully done.
That's exactly what I wassaying.
Because that vitamin D is yourhappy hormone, and that's what's
going to help you, and it's alsogoing to do so much good to
those bones, that vitamin D.
SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
Uh, Jen, you look after yourself, and it's good to
know you're there, Jenny.
Anything we can do, a call infrom time to time, you'd always
be welcome, Jenny.
SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (33:38):
Thank you.
Okay.
See ya.
SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
Thank you for being part of it.
Uh Nathan, we'll come to you injust a moment.
Uh, Tony Mack and Roger, if youask anyone what's the most
important thing in the world tothem, they will give one of two
answers (33:48):
family andor health, not necessarily in that order.
Taxpayers rightfully expectmoney prioritised on uh health
systems, law and order, not overbudget, extended period,
union-dominated big bills.
SPEAKER_01 (34:02):
Yeah, Rob's on the money.
He is absolutely on the moneythere.
Do you know how frustrating thepolice are finding it that
there's no money for anything?
I I recently had threeapplications in for Victoria
Place to run health andwell-being seminars to help
support the staff that they'veactually got.
Now, this is what my forte is,right?
(34:22):
I I educate from liftexperience.
I can walk in there, I can standthere, speak their language,
talk to them, and say, This ishow we deal with this, this is
how we cope with it, this is thestrategies that we put in place,
this is what's going on, this iswhat and they were all knocked
back, no money.
SPEAKER_02 (34:40):
So what about uh and no doubt you've had a pretty
close look at that uh uh uh uhpolice uh departments around the
world, in the United States, inthe UK, in France, yes, are they
all facing similar issues?
SPEAKER_01 (34:51):
The UK are on their knees.
On their knees.
Absolutely on their knees.
The UK.
Um and and the other thing is,and you'll know, West Australia
actively recruit in the UK,actively recruit, and in fact,
half of the the uh WestAustralian police are from the
UK are from the UK.
Yeah, and in fact, Victoria Pluson their social media today
advertise that they've got abobby there now as well that's
(35:13):
been working there.
And I can tell you they are therecruiting is desperate in all
of these policing agencies, andthey are pushing so hard in
recruiting that they'reoverseas, they're they're all
inclusive with everything,they're bringing people in,
they're using everything thatthey can possibly do, but
they're not looking after thepeople that are.
SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
Is it too long a bow then, Raj, to sort of say that
that would link into uh thebaddies, let's call them the
baddies, the uh boneheads thatwant to be inclined or possibly
inclined to do the wrong thing.
Yeah, well would they play outon that?
Would they aware of theweaknesses inside police forces?
SPEAKER_01 (35:55):
Yeah, th they would read it really easily that
there's there's not only isthere not the police around, but
not only that, but they wouldread the apathy of the police
that are there now because theyare burnt out.
They are done.
You've got to remember, everytime someone resigns, it puts
pressure on the people that areleft.
Every time that someone goessick, there is pressure on the
(36:16):
people that are left.
All the time we have more andmore pressure.
And this pressure is building,it's not getting relieved.
And they will spin doctor it andtell you that they're
recruiting, but that's theproblem.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
Uh 103693.
For those that are waiting,we'll come to you in just a
moment, wherever you are, rightacross Australia.
3AW here in Melbourne, uh 5AA inAdelaide, uh 6PR in Perth, and
the Ace Radio Network AustraliaOvernight.
Good morning.
I wish you could stay here allmorning, Roger.
Uh look at the calls in the uhtext.
Uh, this is a lovely text fromdidn't say just uh ends in 323.
(36:48):
There's no name attached to you.
Good day, Tony Mac and Roger.
Just want to say the lastcaller, uh Jenny, uh absolutely
correct.
Listening to the program cheersus up.
This is Australia Overnight, ofcourse.
No matter how old, where we are,and what we're going through,
it's distracting.
SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
And it's ideal.
And that's the beauty of TalkBack Radio.
SPEAKER_02 (37:07):
Yeah, it's great.
And and it's a it's a privilegeto sit in this chair.
And look, and I don't know uhhow long one can sit in this
chair, to be honest.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
It's still a privilege, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
It is a privilege.
Uh so I've over two years now.
I didn't think I'd last twomonths, to be honest.
Uh, but over two years, andlook, if I get another uh couple
of years, I'd be really pleased.
If it goes a little longer thanthat, so be it.
Uh there are many who want whowant to get rid of me.
I've got their names, I've gottheir text numbers, so I can
call them and negotiate.
SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
We we we dial them from the non-recorded phone
later on when they're gone tosleep.
SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
Danny, good morning, yeah.
Danny, which part?
You're driving, obviously.
SPEAKER_07 (37:49):
Um just on the road, sorry, yeah.
But I'll pull over and that's umquick question for you, Roger.
Yes, Danny.
Hi, Danny.
Um we talk about blue lines.
Yes, yeah, because I'm lookingI've just reached the age of 50
(38:10):
recently.
So I'm past half a century.
And with the dashboard lights,the truck lights and the
high-level LEDs now and stufflike that.
SPEAKER_08 (38:20):
Yep.
SPEAKER_07 (38:22):
Like trying to get when I finish my shift in in a
few hours, for example, whatshould I do for the probably the
first hour before because I'vebeen exposed to a lot of these
blue because like I said,there's obviously blue light
coming from the dashboard andthings like that as well, you
know.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
Yes, that's right.
There is, but what I would bedoing, the glasses that I'm
wearing at the moment that youcan't see because we're on the
radio, but I'm wearing a daylens.
Now you could wear that day lensbecause what it would actually
do is would block what we callthe high-energy visible light,
which is between 400 and 455nanometers.
It's and you know, we need toblock all the blue at night, but
(39:00):
you can't drive and wear bluelight blockers because it makes
everything look really funky.
Like the green is iridescent andit makes it look really, really
interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
So if a kangarooci runs out in front of a big
truck, i i are those glassesgoing to be able to still
predict if that's a kangaroo.
Yeah, no worries.
SPEAKER_01 (39:16):
The glasses these day lenses, it still affords you
with some protection and it'sstill protecting your eyes from
the high energy visible lightfrom the dashboards.
But you will have noticed ittoo, Danny, now how bright
headlights are, and they'rethey're low voltage, so that
they're actually got that real,real blue in them.
There's no red, there's nonothing in them at all.
(39:37):
So they're they're extremelyunhealthy coming at you.
Um, and you're exposed to that.
Now, your question, what shouldI do for the last hour?
Once you knock off, I would bewearing blue light blockers.
I I would be driving.
No, no.
I said once he's knocked off,once he's not driving anymore,
I'd be wearing the blue lightblockers, which is the orange
lens that blocks all blue.
SPEAKER_02 (39:58):
So where do you f where do you find this material?
How do you order it?
SPEAKER_01 (40:00):
On my website.
On my website, but you don't goto Spec Savers for it.
No.
Oh well that's the point thatpeople are confused about.
Yep.
No.
Okay.
No, because these lights, theythey don't actually sell uh
Specsavers and and Bailey Nelsonand all of those don't actually
they put a blocking film, butthey're not the right colour.
And they need to be that orangeto block the full blue light.
(40:22):
It's more a day lens thatthey're giving you, which is
just taking out a bit of thathigh energy.
SPEAKER_02 (40:27):
Maybe you should be talking about the bigger one.
No.
Maybe you should be talking toMr.
Coles, Mr.
Garrett about having thoseproducts on their shelves.
SPEAKER_01 (40:37):
Well, that's well, they they do need to be doing
this, and there needs to be alot more of it.
You need to be very careful whatyou buy as well, because you
can't just jump on Amazon andget some form of of a cheap, you
know, like I can get one ofthose for ten dollars because
they're ten dollars worth oflens.
SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
And you only ever get what you pay for.
SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
Uh Danny, uh, does that sort of help a little bit?
It does.
So go to your website, Roger.
Yeah, ahealthyshift.com.
And up the top is a menu itemwhich says resources, and if you
go down there, there'srecommended products, and I've
got a recommender products pageof everything that I've tested
and used and highly recommend,and they're on there.
SPEAKER_07 (41:14):
Okay, and you put Roger twenty ten percent off for
cheaper than I would take.
SPEAKER_01 (41:19):
If you if you click if you click the if you click
the links from there, uh you'llfind that I've got my codes that
are there as well for thesediscount codes spread all the
way through.
And if you're thinking aboutdoing it, do it now while the
Black Friday sales are stillrunning, and now it's the
Christmas sales, which are thesame sales as Black Friday.
SPEAKER_02 (41:37):
Danny, I've got a fly, but good to talk to you.
Drive safely, Danny.
Yeah, have a good Christmas,guys, and I'll see you to your
new year.
Thanks, Danny.
Stay safe.
Good, mate.
Thank you.
Uh Pete Port Melbourne.
Uh, hope your phone's workingokay.
Say hello to Roger.
SPEAKER_05 (41:49):
Roger, good morning, uh Tony.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_02 (41:52):
Morning, Peter.
SPEAKER_05 (41:52):
Um, I've been um I've been driving a truck for
eleven years on night shift.
I do 55 to 60 hours a week.
Well now.
Uh what you compare to should bepaid.
And then uh I do my job to feedthe family.
Yep, I do the extra hours, I'lldo the I do the hard work, I
(42:14):
don't feel things like that.
You can't keep on complainingthat these jobs are too hard.
We uh we need we need uhambulances, we need versus we
need all that.
(42:41):
Well, I think the value we don'tvalue at something at the high
range.
SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
Yeah, it's a very good point.
You've got a dodgy line, I'm butI'm gonna promise you in a new
year, I'm gonna buy you a brandnew phone.
The the point about that, and hemakes a good point about the
value that we place on uh peoplelike officers, uh like ambos,
like nurses, because withoutthem our lives would be
absolutely kangaroo, Edwards.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
I I can tell you we are actually sacrificing the
health of our front line at themoment.
We're sacrificing the health toto ride on trains.
Why aren't the authorities awarethat that's the case?
Why don't they uh why are theyaware of that?
For some reason they don't valueit.
And I was having a communicationI had a conversation with Olivia
Walsh that we spoke to on theshow here from ArcaShift.
(43:28):
And she was talking about wewere talking about it today.
SPEAKER_02 (43:30):
They don't value if the Commission of the Great and
you have great regard for the uhI have massive regard for Mike
Bush.
I do.
You could whisper in Michael'sear.
SPEAKER_01 (43:39):
I'd love to sit down with Mike Bush and discuss a
strategy moving forward withhealth.
SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
We'll organise it.
I've written it down.
This is fantastic.
This is a quote from RogerSutherland, and you can write
this down too.
Uh we don't have necessarily acost of living crisis.
SPEAKER_01 (43:53):
What we have is a government spending crisis.
A cost of cost of governmentcrisis.
SPEAKER_02 (43:58):
A cost of government crisis.
That is fantastic.
Not a cost of living crisis, acost of government spending
crisis.
SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
They're spending like drunken stylers, and it's
our money, and we're in debt.
SPEAKER_02 (44:12):
It's our money, Ralph.
It's always to you.
SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
And it's up to you too have space journey to you.
SPEAKER_02 (44:19):
Thank you.
Will you be part of uh thisprogram next year?
I would love to do it.
Will I be part of this programnext week?
Come and be part of the programme of Stradio
Overnight, 5A in Adelaide, 6VOin 38 Radio Network, 3AW here in
Melbourne, in 54321.
Say hello to Roger.
(03:34):
Interesting.
Uh now he sits in the same uharea or the same platform, if
you like, as Carol Lee Cats andButters on a Friday morning.
Uh Carol Lee, Carol Lee, sayhello to Roger.
Roger, say hello to Carol Lee.
Carolie's not here, but she willbe listening.
Roger, good morning.
SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
Love the section with Carol uh Carol Lee.
She's fantastic.
I listen to it podcasted everysingle week.
It is my favourite listener, andI want to say thanks to Carol
Lee for the shout-out.
And here's one back.
Yeah, that was very kind.
SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
And it's lovely to have you in the uh studio
wearing.
I should uh share with theaudience across Australia uh
this amazing pair of glasses.
Gotta get myself a pair of this.
Now just explain.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Okay, so as people know, people that watch me
overnight, those that watch onthe cameras, can see that I
generally wear the blue lightblocking glasses.
Yeah.
Um, but the problem that I haveis I wear a prescription lens,
and my blue light blockingglasses are not a prescription
lens.
So while I'm talking to you,it's fine, but I can't see the
screen.
I ordered six weeks ago fromBlock Blue Light a pair of day
(04:39):
lenses.
So that's the brand Block.
Block Blue Light is the name ofthe brand.
Blue Light.
Yeah, they're out of Deremt inum Victoria.
And um I ordered theprescription lens.
Now, this is a yellow-colouredday lens.
Now, what this lens does is itdoesn't block blue light, it
just blocks the high-energyvisible.
(05:01):
Right for the blue light.
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
For those that might be joining us just for the first
time, explain again, if youwill, briefly the idea of the
blue light, particularly whenyou're working overnight, uh,
why they can be uh a littleproblematic.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
Okay, so we as humans are diurnal and we have a
biological clock which runsdaytime and nighttime.
It is incredibly important forus to actually anchor that clock
with daylight and in particularwith the blue spectrum of 480
nanometers of blue light in thewhich we generally get during
(05:36):
the day.
And it's no coincidence, it'sthe colour of blue sky, it's the
same colour blue as that.
Now, as we're looking at lightoutside, we are actually seeing
a spectrum of blue in that.
But there's also infrared,there's green, there's
ultraviolet, and the infrared isthat heat that we actually feel
on our um skin.
(05:57):
So that's why daylight is sohealthy for us.
Now we spend nearly 80% of ourlife now inside, indoors, under
artificial light.
Is it that high?
80%.
Is it?
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
And it's people that are in a home, they're in an
office, uh away from, as youwould say, I think, natural
light, if you like.
SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
We don't get enough natural light in our lives.
People are on devices andthey're looking at screens on
devices, they're looking atcomputer screens.
A lot of people working fromhome too now, Tony.
So what we do, and of course,this is going to become a bigger
problem.
Through COVID, a lot of themental health issues and a lot
of the problems that we hadthrough COVID and people gaining
weight was not going outside.
(06:38):
People were not getting outsideand getting that light.
Now, this light has a hugeimpact on everything.
It has an impact on diet, has animpact on our mental health, has
an impact on um biologicalfunction.
Uh, a lot of people really getum mental health problems
because of their not gettingoutside in that daylight.
It is incredibly important thatwe get the green as well as the
(07:01):
blue, as well as the red, aswell as the ultraviolet.
Daylight is incredibly healthyfor us.
Even on an overcast day,daylight is incredibly healthy.
Now, while we're inside andwe've got these overhead lights
and these blue screens thatwe're looking at, there's no
infrared in those.
And that's poor.
SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
And but the this this work environment which you
won't are in now, I mean, we'resurrounded by a lot of screens,
it's the nature of the beast.
SPEAKER_08 (07:29):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
And I don't know that that's ever going to be
reversed.
No.
Unlikely it would ever bereversed.
But who knows what the next 10,20, 30, or 40 years might be.
But it's unlikely it would bereversed.
But you say I've got whilst I'vegot the house lights, as it
were, pretty well dimmed,there's still a hell of a lot of
light.
SPEAKER_01 (07:45):
A lot of blue light.
Blue light, right?
Now, unfortunately for 3RW, thebranding is blue, right?
So we're in the studio here andwe've got screens which have got
blue light.
But I can tell you this, thereis a company in the US, there's
a few companies now that haveactually developed screens that
have a zero blue in them.
So you can actually be healthilylooking at these screens, right?
(08:09):
The company's called Chorus,people can look them up, um, and
they are developing lighting aswell as screens.
So these monitors that we'relooking at here can be replaced
with chorus monitors and chorus,the chorus monitor actually um
is healthy for people to look atand use.
Up close.
Up close or how well.
SPEAKER_02 (08:28):
What if you're watching a big TV screen, for
example, you've got your Sony,you've got your Samsung,
whatever it is, your TCO,whatever it might be.
Yep.
I mean, there are zillions ofthose there out in the market,
but people are using those eachand every day at home.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
And they're damaging our health because what they're
doing is they are confusing ourcircadian clock.
And if we look at the peoplethat are having trouble with
sleep, now a lot of people say,Oh no, I don't have any trouble
with sleep because I can go tosleep after looking at my
device.
And the research shows uscategorically that you can
actually look at devices beforeyou go to sleep because it
(09:01):
doesn't impact on you going tosleep, on what we call sleep
latency.
But it does disrupt ourcircadian rhythm.
And in even more, what's morediabolical is it inhibits the
actual production of melatonin.
Now, melatonin is our sleephormone, but it actually signals
darkness to our body, andmelatonin is also our free
(09:24):
radical eradicator.
So while melatonin is elevatedin our bloodstream, it's
actually attacking anderadicating cancer cells in our
in our bloodstream.
And this is why we have suchhigh incidences of cancer in
shift workers.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
Uh there's so much to work cover off.
We'll get to calls in just amoment.
Those that are waiting, onedouble three, six, nine, three,
anything you would like to raiseon the programme.
I should point out for thosethat don't may not know, uh
Roger is founder of A HealthyShift.
A veteran, a veteran lawenforcement officer.
How many years?
Forty years.
Uh these days, Roger helps shiftworkers uh not just get through
(09:58):
their uh shifts but actuallythrive by doing so.
It's all about coaching, it'senjoying outside life and work.
Uh so for example, uh, I didabout an hour and a half uh
outside in the garden.
Beautiful, the lawn's gorgeous,uh, shirt off baby, uh, and the
sun was shining, and I feelbetter for it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Now I just want to make a point on that.
How much better do we feel inthe summer?
Because we're outside a lot morethan we are in the year.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Yeah, well a lot of people would then understand
that for sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
Now and that's why and feel miserable in winter.
You know when we say you got theSADs?
Have you got the SADs?
And people get what we call SADin the winter time, which is
seasonal affective disorder.
It's insufficient, blue, and thespectrum of light.
No one's outside.
There's snow up on their couchwatching TV because it's cold
outside.
If there's one tip that I wouldgive every single person that's
(10:48):
listening to this program,everyone, no matter where you
are, within 30 minutes ofgetting up, get outside.
Just get your coffee and sit onyour back doorstep and get that
daylight and anchor yourcircadian rhythm to that
particular point so that itknows exactly where you're at in
time and space.
SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
When we come back, we're going to talk about uh
some of these stats uh workingin frontline police.
It's really quite staggering.
You may have seen a piece of theQueensland papers uh the talk
about uh officers that arequitting, and this is not just
about Queensland, it's rightaround Australia.
It's very similar themes.
Uh sick leave for uh officersaround Australia, the cost of
that, uh how many new and wherethe recruits are coming from.
(11:30):
That's going to look in the nextfive to ten because this program
is inundated morning aftermorning after morning after
morning.
Uh and the expression now isthey need to do more.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Yeah, everyone wants the police.
They need to do more.
They want the police to be doingmore.
One of the biggest problems thatwe have at the moment is, and
and the figures that are out ofQueensland are are horrific, and
they've been obtained by the theCourier, and that is Courier
Mail.
Yeah.
The Courier Mail.
Um the 709 officers quit in thelast financial year out of
Queensland.
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Um over the last five years,they've lost almost 3,000
members.
Three.
3,000 in five years.
Now you've got to remember, theyall have to be replaced, and
they all have to be trained, andthey have to be educated into
how to go about the experiencethat they would have lost was
massive.
SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
That's the thing, like zillions of years of
combined experience.
And that's the real issue.
We'll do this when we come back.
Uh, your calls come and join us.
133693.
In Melbourne, right now, Ishould tell you, uh, just over
12 degrees, that high of 22.
Uh Perth, gorgeous afternoonover there, late after late
evening, rather, 25 degrees anduh top coming your way, 31
degrees for your Thursdaymorning.
(12:37):
And Adelaide, hello.
Uh 17 degrees with a top today,32 degrees, mainly sunny in your
beautiful city.
Uh, it is Australia overnight.
I'm Tony McManus, more withRoger Sutherland, the other side
of this.
And when you're in through thefirst voice you hear, it is
young Anne Jackson who isworking the other side of the
glow.
It's a good man, he is.
He's a legend.
Uh one double four well, notyet, he's not a legend.
(12:59):
He's working towards becomingone.
I got him listening to the cue,though.
Well, for that alone, you shouldbe credited.
He should get brownie points forthat.
Yes.
Uh he got him.
He got them listening back tothe cure.
SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
And he wasn't excited.
He was.
But was he listening to the curefor the first time?
I told him two weeks ago, and helistened to it on the way in
tonight.
He knew my name was on the listand he went, Oh I've better
listen to the cure.
SPEAKER_02 (13:24):
What am I gonna do?
Uh there you go.
That's very funny.
133693.
And here's the question that wewant you to ask.
What is answer?
What is the one thing if thereis such a beast?
Yep.
What is the one thing that keepsyou awake at night?
One thing that keeps you awakeat night.
133693.
SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
Is it worry?
Is it stress?
Is it temperature?
Is it is it just your body clockjust seems to wake up at some
time?
Everybody has that some issuethat keeps them awake.
So what is it?
I want to know what it is thatkeeps you awake, and I'll help
you to solve that.
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
I spoke to a uh nurse.
Well, she still works a nurse,semi-retired, I guess, that does
about one night a week.
So it's still a commitment.
And that and even is it's partof the conversation.
She didn't really know who I wasuh and talking about it, but I
then shared a bit later on, andshe's aha, that makes a lot of
sense.
Uh, because that one night, thethe disruption that that is to
(14:16):
the flow of the week is still asum not intimidating, it's still
i the same impact as if you weredoing three or four nights a
week of uh overnight work as anurse.
Forty plus years, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (14:29):
Okay, so I I've I did shift work for 40 years,
right?
I haven't done shift work.
Well, I've been coming into thisstudio once a fortnight for the
last two years, right?
And I come in on this night, sohow do I go about this shift
here tonight?
So, what I do, I was awake at 6a.m.
this morning because I yesterdaymorning, as in Wednesday
(14:50):
morning, I got up at 6 a.m.
I get up at that time every day,I get my daylight, I get my have
my sit outside with my coffee,it tells my body it's daytime,
it's go time.
I go through the whole day.
I have a nap for about an hourand a half in the evening.
So before I came into the show,I went to bed for an hour and a
half.
But you wouldn't have a nap lateafternoon, no early afternoon if
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you weren't joining me at twelveo'clock.
No.
Okay, right.
No, no, I wouldn't normally.
But because I know I'm coming intonight, I go to bed at the same
time I would normally go to bed,right?
So, and you're gonna laugh, but8 30, 9 o'clock, because that's
me.
That's just what I do.
So nine o'clock, I'm go to bedand I have an hour and a half.
We sleep in 90 minute cycles.
(15:33):
It's important for people tounderstand that we sleep in 90
minute cycles, so I wake myselfup after a 90-minute cycle.
I come out of that really well,so therefore, I then come in, do
the show.
I do block the blue light whileI'm here so that my body doesn't
realise that it's like.
Then I drive home and I gostraight back to bed and I go
(15:53):
straight back to sleep, but Iwill be up in the morning at 6
a.m.
again.
Right.
So I will actually, Melissa'sworking in the morning and her
alarm will go off at 5.
I will listen to your last halfan hour of the show, even though
I've been home and slept.
I'll still listen to the lasthalf an hour of the show.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
Now, one of the one of the things that often comes
up in this little segment, asI'm pursued, is that the people
many people right acrossAustralia that are listening
will often say we listen allmorning or we listen to uh quite
a bit of the program uh becauseI I don't sleep well.
SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
And a lot of that is because they're listening to the
program.
Well, we want them to.
Of course we do.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
I understand that.
Otherwise the program doesn'texist, it would sound like this.
Which would be really awkward.
We don't want.
Nothing.
I sleep with one eye, one eyeopen, ready for combat.
Well, that's another clearly uhTony.
You keep me uh uh thank you.
(16:54):
Let's take a couple of quickcalls.
Now, Chris, you wanted to saygood morning.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Uh yeah, uh hello, Roger.
Hello, Chris.
I've been trying to live a lotof food at the last week, but
I've made it on it.
(18:58):
Sure, there's a lot of people onhold and a lot of problems.
I think it's better than a rushfree calls.
And therefore, uh it doesn'thelp me with my existence of
anxiety and I was just gonna sayit gives you gives you anxiety.
SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
Yeah, and and this is very common, Tony, as well.
A lot of people that strugglewith sleep, they start to get
anxiety about sleep, and so whathappens is that anxiety then
starts to impact on sleep and itjust becomes a vicious circle.
You've got to break into thatanxiety.
Do you want a tip?
Yeah, please.
Okay.
Lie on your back, put one handon your navel in bed.
(19:31):
You're in bed and you're lookingto go to sleep.
Put one hand on your navel.
SPEAKER_02 (19:34):
We're all doing this together.
So imagine that you're lyingdown on your back.
SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
On your back in bed, right?
Calm, ready for sleep.
On your pyjami top.
One hand on your navel.
I want you to breathe throughand go.
Doesn't make any difference.
It's just tactile.
It's the reason why we put ahand on our navel is because
it's tactile and it forces us tobreathe down into it, right?
So put your hand on your naveland breathe down through your
(19:57):
nose.
Now we're breathing in throughour nose for a count of four.
And then we're not holding.
And then we're breathing outlike we're going to blow out air
through a straw.
Oh.
For as long as you can do thatfor.
To you uh almost empty the lungand beyond that, perhaps.
Yes.
Beyond because what we want todo is we want to exhale all of
(20:20):
the oxygen out of our lung, andthen we breathe back in through
(21:45):
the nose for four.
You'll only go about six cycles,you'll be gone.
This is what um marines do.
SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Right.
Uh, lots of texts, we'll get tothem in just a moment.
Chris, I thank you.
Uh Justin, good morning.
SPEAKER_04 (21:56):
You wanted to say good morning, guys.
Um, yes, I just wanted to sayI've been diagnosed with
depression and anxiety, and umlast couple of days or weeks,
uh, my my depression has gotpretty bad.
Um, I've been taken off my ummedication.
I'm just wondering if there'sany tips you can give me.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Uh Justin, can I tell you I don't know what it is
at the moment, but my depressionand anxiety has been horrendous
for the last few weeks.
Because I have do you knowwhat's driving the I don't know
what's driven it, but I it'sbeen very, very difficult.
Now, a lot of people could sayit's a lunar cycle, it could be
anything.
I don't know what it is, but um,I've really suffered.
(22:39):
But Justin, can I just give youthat advice?
What I said about that breathingis informing your nervous system
that you are actually safe, andby doing that, will literally
help you to calm down.
So whenever you start feelingyourself work getting worked up
and you feel yourself gettinganxious, like you're coming onto
the radio, you know, to talk tous now, just breathe in through
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your nose for four seconds intoyour hand and your stomach, and
then breathe out like you'rebreathing out through a straw
for a count of eight.
You will literally feel yourbody calming because you are
informing your nervous systemthat you are safe.
SPEAKER_02 (23:15):
Uh good on you, Coba.
Uh Justin, you look afteryourself, keep in touch.
Darrell, morning.
SPEAKER_06 (23:21):
Good morning.
I think I've got the perfectantidote for not being able to
sleep because every time I getinto bed with my wife, she says,
I'm asleep.
So I think I'm the perfectantidote.
SPEAKER_01 (23:32):
There you go.
Perfect.
And I'm the same.
And this is a male thing.
Women go to bed, and this is aclassic, right?
There's two things men, women.
I get into bed, I'm out like alight.
Yeah.
Are you the same, Tony?
Uh, pretty quickly.
Yep.
I'm out like a light.
Very, very quickly.
Women are very different.
Females are different.
They go to bed, and what theywant to do is they then want to
(23:55):
have a committee meeting.
They do no.
No, it's true.
They can't say that.
Yeah.
Women will admit it.
I've got clients that will tellyou they get to bed and that's
when they want to have thecommittee meeting.
Now, the problem is men are notholding space for their women at
that time because the man's goneto sleep.
Now it's not say it's it'sactual fact.
That's what they do.
(24:16):
It's true.
And I'm not being critical ofwomen per se.
It is scientifically proven thatwomen want to have a committee
meeting at that time of thenight.
That's when their head becomesactive.
SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Uh I usually put in uh an earbud.
SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
So you can't hear the committee meeting?
SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
So I'm not listening to the committee meeting.
So then the in anywhere inanywhere of the shared house.
The so and I I'm gone within andI'm usually listening to
something boring.
Well, it is.
It's really boring.
It's dull.
Yeah.
Um, do you know of uh there'sAnd it within within three, you
(24:52):
know, two, three, four, I'mgone.
SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Happily gone.
I I'll have to on the next showI'll bring in these new AI sleep
buds that I've got that are madeby Oslo Sleep.
They are unbelievable.
You put them in and you'relistening to like an audio book,
and it's it registers whenyou've gone to sleep and it just
goes across the white noise.
And if you are sleeping with asnorer, it uh it hears that and
(25:17):
it elevates the noise cancellinguntil the snoring stops and then
it drops the noise cancellingout.
Really?
I am not kidding.
SPEAKER_02 (25:23):
Are they new to the market?
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Yep.
So they're monitoring somebodyelse next to you who might be
snoring.
The case is actually monitoringthe room, and as the noise comes
up in the room, so it elevatesthe noise cancelling in the in
the through the earbuds, andthen as the noise dies in the
room, so it reduces the noisecancelling in the buds.
How much?
400.
SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
133693.
At the moment.
Committee meeting.
Committee meeting, you say.
Uh G'day, Tony Mac and Roger.
Uh liking the programs.
Uh, please tell Roger Bostonmaking Come on more than once a
fortnight, says David.
Let's negotiate that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
Let's negotiate that.
Negotiable.
SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
You are negotiable.
All right.
133693.
We'll get a couple of thesetexts before we go, because I
want to talk to you about uhsome of these trends with uh law
enforcement as well.
Uh things that break my sleep,says David Morning, aren't
always the big dramas.
It could be something like aBill, Bill's the inbox, uh, the
ache in the knee that you swearwasn't there yesterday.
(26:20):
Yep.
Yes, isn't that a great line?
It's a great it'd be a song, Ireckon.
The ache in your knee and youswear it wasn't there yesterday.
Uh or the whispering doubt thatwas forgotten of someone's
Christmas present.
Maybe the news cycle.
Uh I've been told that the newscycle can be really impactful
too, particularly at thiscurrent time post-COVID and
post.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
Yep.
Subconsciously, all this isgoing in all the time and it's
rattling around in our brain.
SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
Yeah, or the dog deciding it's three o'clock in
the morning is perfect andlooking for some introspection.
It might even be my own brain.
Have a listen to this.
Replaying a conversation from1998.
But in the quiet hours yourealise you are still here,
still trying, still hopingtomorrow lands a little bit
softer, and somehow all of thathelps.
SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
That's a great text.
I love that.
Wonderful.
Um the the text from David, theone about the big dramas, um,
it's not the big dramas, it'sthe little things that occur,
and this is literally what getspeople in a mess.
So what I um what I wouldsuggest for you, David, is that
breath work at some stage, evenif it's a four-four, the box
breathing, four in, hold forfour, four out, um, and then
(27:29):
hole for four.
And the reason being is becauseyour brain has to focus on the
counting, it lets go of all ofthe other things, and then you
go to sleep.
So, because your brain isfocusing on the counting and
your breathing.
Um, it when we're subconsciouslybreathing, we are focusing on
other thoughts and we're notfocusing on our breathing.
On the breathing.
If you reverse that, it can makea massive difference to you.
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The other tip, pen and paper bythe bed, you will be amazed at
the difference that a small padand a pen by your bed.
As soon as something comes intoyour mind, write it down, put it
down, it's out of your mind.
For some reason the body lets itgo, off you go.
SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
And I've heard Ross Stevenson on 3AW in the Bricky
program on uh A dub talkingabout the idea of uh not having
the phone that close or havingit away from the makes a
difference, he reckons, in termsof how he sleeps.
SPEAKER_01 (28:16):
Yep, yep, because subconsciously you're aware it's
right there and you can look atit, but if it's not there, then
i it's amazing the impacts thatour day-to-day life has on us
without realizing.
SPEAKER_02 (28:28):
Uh let's talk about some of the issues facing uh
officers, uh shift workers'officers all around Australia.
But let's talk about police forthe moment because that's your
uh that's your history of 40plus years.
Uh that report, as you saidearlier, the Courier Mail, uh,
709 officers.
Uh they said that's it, we'redone in the last financial year.
Yep.
2,832 left the service in thelast five years.
(28:53):
I mean, you lose all thatexperience.
SPEAKER_01 (28:55):
Yeah.
Now the thing is as well, umthis is not unique to Queensland
police, so let's make that clearas well.
West Australia, South Australia,and Victoria Police have
probably got bigger problems.
I know we've heard Wayne Gattsspeak on this program here.
He's our uh the policeassociation uh secretary or the
president of the street.
Um Wayne has said that uh wehave like 2,000 unfilled
(29:21):
positions in VicPol.
We've got 1,300, about 1,200 to1,300 unfilled positions, and
they've also got seven or eighthundred people on work cover, on
long-term work cover.
Now that means you've got twothousand unfilled positions.
Now, Victoria Police has sixteenthousand sworn members.
That means that nearly twelveand a half percent of your force
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are off and not working.
How can you function like that?
And you can't.
And I will say this, and I Iwill be very clear with all of
these policing organizations,that fatigue and burnout does
not wait for a budgetallocation.
(30:03):
And you have to find the moneyto look after the people that
you've still got.
And I'll tell you why, becausethey are your recruiters, and
while they're leaving, what theyare actually doing is sending a
message to people, why would Iwant to do that?
SPEAKER_02 (30:16):
Yeah, well, and uh I've got to jump in and probably
say just to be the uh devil fora moment, uh, there ain't no
money in the tin, my friend.
And therein lies part of theproblem, which obviously not the
uh it's not the pol it's not uhVic pol's issue, but the reality
is there's not the money there,and so a government who would
normally be able to supply thosesorts of funds are not in a
(30:37):
position to do that, the debt ishorrendous.
SPEAKER_01 (30:39):
I but I would argue as well that you cannot be
spending money on the thingsthat you're spending money on
while your health and lawenforcement are in so much
trouble at the moment.
And I I would argue I'll stand,I'll die on this hill, that you
can't be building and doingthese other things while your
health is on its knees andbuckle.
If only people realise just howhorrendous the nursing situation
(31:01):
is, how horrendous the policingsituation is.
The reason why we don't see thepolice out and about patrolling
and doing those jobs, they'rejust rushing from one to the
next, is because there aren'tany.
SPEAKER_02 (31:12):
Yeah.
Uh come and tell us about yourasleep pattern, 133693.
Have you managed it over theyears?
Have you got a little trick thatyou'd like to share with uh us?
Yours truly, Tony McManus, RogerSutherland, Australia Overnight.
Jenny Milgrove, good morning.
SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
Hi, Tony and Roger, how are you?
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
Morning, Jenny.
SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
Good.
Um, I don't sleep very wellbecause I have a lot of severe
pain.
SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Pain?
That's a problem.
That is a massive problem.
And that will be serious.
SPEAKER_02 (31:41):
There are many too, Jen.
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
Yeah, I have arthritis really, really bad um
knees with arthritis.
And they probably can't operatebecause I'm high risk because of
everything else I've got.
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
That's no good at all.
Can I ask you a question, Jenny?
Do you have a committee meetingwhen you go to sleep?
When you go to bed?
Is that when all the thoughtscome?
SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
Well, I listen to the radio all night because I'm
totally on my own now.
I've lost all my slaves ones.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
I'm sorry to hear that.
But what I say is true, isn'tit?
A lot of women, when they go tobed, that that's their shutdown
time, but that's the time whenall of a sudden they start
thinking about everything elseready for the day.
Um am I off the mark here or amI right?
SPEAKER_03 (32:26):
You're right.
Now I think about my latepartner and my friend going, and
so I have the radio going tostop my brain from going.
SPEAKER_01 (32:35):
That's right.
It's distracting for you.
It gives you something to focuson.
It's it's terrible that thathappens, but how good is it you
got us to listen to?
SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It takes me a couple of hours,then I get to sleep, and then
I'll wake up in the morning andthere's no pain, and then I'll
stand up and all over again.
SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
That's terrible.
It that's awful.
Are you able to get outside?
Can I can I say, are you able toget outside, um, Jenny?
Yep.
Do you get outside and sit insit and I I mean this with the
utmost sincerity.
Are you able to get outside andsit outside during the day for
periods of time?
SPEAKER_03 (33:12):
When I'm home, yes, I can.
I do.
I go out and sit at the front,out the front, and just get my
vitamin D.
SPEAKER_01 (33:18):
Beautifully done.
That's exactly what I wassaying.
Because that vitamin D is yourhappy hormone, and that's what's
going to help you, and it's alsogoing to do so much good to
those bones, that vitamin D.
SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
Uh, Jen, you look after yourself, and it's good to
know you're there, Jenny.
Anything we can do, a call infrom time to time, you'd always
be welcome, Jenny.
SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (33:38):
Thank you.
Okay.
See ya.
SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
Thank you for being part of it.
Uh Nathan, we'll come to you injust a moment.
Uh, Tony Mack and Roger, if youask anyone what's the most
important thing in the world tothem, they will give one of two
answers (33:48):
family andor health, not necessarily in that order.
Taxpayers rightfully expectmoney prioritised on uh health
systems, law and order, not overbudget, extended period,
union-dominated big bills.
SPEAKER_01 (34:02):
Yeah, Rob's on the money.
He is absolutely on the moneythere.
Do you know how frustrating thepolice are finding it that
there's no money for anything?
I I recently had threeapplications in for Victoria
Place to run health andwell-being seminars to help
support the staff that they'veactually got.
Now, this is what my forte is,right?
(34:22):
I I educate from liftexperience.
I can walk in there, I can standthere, speak their language,
talk to them, and say, This ishow we deal with this, this is
how we cope with it, this is thestrategies that we put in place,
this is what's going on, this iswhat and they were all knocked
back, no money.
SPEAKER_02 (34:40):
So what about uh and no doubt you've had a pretty
close look at that uh uh uh uhpolice uh departments around the
world, in the United States, inthe UK, in France, yes, are they
all facing similar issues?
SPEAKER_01 (34:51):
The UK are on their knees.
On their knees.
Absolutely on their knees.
The UK.
Um and and the other thing is,and you'll know, West Australia
actively recruit in the UK,actively recruit, and in fact,
half of the the uh WestAustralian police are from the
UK are from the UK.
Yeah, and in fact, Victoria Pluson their social media today
advertise that they've got abobby there now as well that's
(35:13):
been working there.
And I can tell you they are therecruiting is desperate in all
of these policing agencies, andthey are pushing so hard in
recruiting that they'reoverseas, they're they're all
inclusive with everything,they're bringing people in,
they're using everything thatthey can possibly do, but
they're not looking after thepeople that are.
SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
Is it too long a bow then, Raj, to sort of say that
that would link into uh thebaddies, let's call them the
baddies, the uh boneheads thatwant to be inclined or possibly
inclined to do the wrong thing.
Yeah, well would they play outon that?
Would they aware of theweaknesses inside police forces?
SPEAKER_01 (35:55):
Yeah, th they would read it really easily that
there's there's not only isthere not the police around, but
not only that, but they wouldread the apathy of the police
that are there now because theyare burnt out.
They are done.
You've got to remember, everytime someone resigns, it puts
pressure on the people that areleft.
Every time that someone goessick, there is pressure on the
(36:16):
people that are left.
All the time we have more andmore pressure.
And this pressure is building,it's not getting relieved.
And they will spin doctor it andtell you that they're
recruiting, but that's theproblem.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
Uh 103693.
For those that are waiting,we'll come to you in just a
moment, wherever you are, rightacross Australia.
3AW here in Melbourne, uh 5AA inAdelaide, uh 6PR in Perth, and
the Ace Radio Network AustraliaOvernight.
Good morning.
I wish you could stay here allmorning, Roger.
Uh look at the calls in the uhtext.
Uh, this is a lovely text fromdidn't say just uh ends in 323.
(36:48):
There's no name attached to you.
Good day, Tony Mac and Roger.
Just want to say the lastcaller, uh Jenny, uh absolutely
correct.
Listening to the program cheersus up.
This is Australia Overnight, ofcourse.
No matter how old, where we are,and what we're going through,
it's distracting.
SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
And it's ideal.
And that's the beauty of TalkBack Radio.
SPEAKER_02 (37:07):
Yeah, it's great.
And and it's a it's a privilegeto sit in this chair.
And look, and I don't know uhhow long one can sit in this
chair, to be honest.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
It's still a privilege, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
It is a privilege.
Uh so I've over two years now.
I didn't think I'd last twomonths, to be honest.
Uh, but over two years, andlook, if I get another uh couple
of years, I'd be really pleased.
If it goes a little longer thanthat, so be it.
Uh there are many who want whowant to get rid of me.
I've got their names, I've gottheir text numbers, so I can
call them and negotiate.
SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
We we we dial them from the non-recorded phone
later on when they're gone tosleep.
SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
Danny, good morning, yeah.
Danny, which part?
You're driving, obviously.
SPEAKER_07 (37:49):
Um just on the road, sorry, yeah.
But I'll pull over and that's umquick question for you, Roger.
Yes, Danny.
Hi, Danny.
Um we talk about blue lines.
Yes, yeah, because I'm lookingI've just reached the age of 50
(38:10):
recently.
So I'm past half a century.
And with the dashboard lights,the truck lights and the
high-level LEDs now and stufflike that.
SPEAKER_08 (38:20):
Yep.
SPEAKER_07 (38:22):
Like trying to get when I finish my shift in in a
few hours, for example, whatshould I do for the probably the
first hour before because I'vebeen exposed to a lot of these
blue because like I said,there's obviously blue light
coming from the dashboard andthings like that as well, you
know.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
Yes, that's right.
There is, but what I would bedoing, the glasses that I'm
wearing at the moment that youcan't see because we're on the
radio, but I'm wearing a daylens.
Now you could wear that day lensbecause what it would actually
do is would block what we callthe high-energy visible light,
which is between 400 and 455nanometers.
It's and you know, we need toblock all the blue at night, but
(39:00):
you can't drive and wear bluelight blockers because it makes
everything look really funky.
Like the green is iridescent andit makes it look really, really
interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
So if a kangarooci runs out in front of a big
truck, i i are those glassesgoing to be able to still
predict if that's a kangaroo.
Yeah, no worries.
SPEAKER_01 (39:16):
The glasses these day lenses, it still affords you
with some protection and it'sstill protecting your eyes from
the high energy visible lightfrom the dashboards.
But you will have noticed ittoo, Danny, now how bright
headlights are, and they'rethey're low voltage, so that
they're actually got that real,real blue in them.
There's no red, there's nonothing in them at all.
(39:37):
So they're they're extremelyunhealthy coming at you.
Um, and you're exposed to that.
Now, your question, what shouldI do for the last hour?
Once you knock off, I would bewearing blue light blockers.
I I would be driving.
No, no.
I said once he's knocked off,once he's not driving anymore,
I'd be wearing the blue lightblockers, which is the orange
lens that blocks all blue.
SPEAKER_02 (39:58):
So where do you f where do you find this material?
How do you order it?
SPEAKER_01 (40:00):
On my website.
On my website, but you don't goto Spec Savers for it.
No.
Oh well that's the point thatpeople are confused about.
Yep.
No.
Okay.
No, because these lights, theythey don't actually sell uh
Specsavers and and Bailey Nelsonand all of those don't actually
they put a blocking film, butthey're not the right colour.
And they need to be that orangeto block the full blue light.
(40:22):
It's more a day lens thatthey're giving you, which is
just taking out a bit of thathigh energy.
SPEAKER_02 (40:27):
Maybe you should be talking about the bigger one.
No.
Maybe you should be talking toMr.
Coles, Mr.
Garrett about having thoseproducts on their shelves.
SPEAKER_01 (40:37):
Well, that's well, they they do need to be doing
this, and there needs to be alot more of it.
You need to be very careful whatyou buy as well, because you
can't just jump on Amazon andget some form of of a cheap, you
know, like I can get one ofthose for ten dollars because
they're ten dollars worth oflens.
SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
And you only ever get what you pay for.
SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
Uh Danny, uh, does that sort of help a little bit?
It does.
So go to your website, Roger.
Yeah, ahealthyshift.com.
And up the top is a menu itemwhich says resources, and if you
go down there, there'srecommended products, and I've
got a recommender products pageof everything that I've tested
and used and highly recommend,and they're on there.
SPEAKER_07 (41:14):
Okay, and you put Roger twenty ten percent off for
cheaper than I would take.
SPEAKER_01 (41:19):
If you if you click if you click the if you click
the links from there, uh you'llfind that I've got my codes that
are there as well for thesediscount codes spread all the
way through.
And if you're thinking aboutdoing it, do it now while the
Black Friday sales are stillrunning, and now it's the
Christmas sales, which are thesame sales as Black Friday.
SPEAKER_02 (41:37):
Danny, I've got a fly, but good to talk to you.
Drive safely, Danny.
Yeah, have a good Christmas,guys, and I'll see you to your
new year.
Thanks, Danny.
Stay safe.
Good, mate.
Thank you.
Uh Pete Port Melbourne.
Uh, hope your phone's workingokay.
Say hello to Roger.
SPEAKER_05 (41:49):
Roger, good morning, uh Tony.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_02 (41:52):
Morning, Peter.
SPEAKER_05 (41:52):
Um, I've been um I've been driving a truck for
eleven years on night shift.
I do 55 to 60 hours a week.
Well now.
Uh what you compare to should bepaid.
And then uh I do my job to feedthe family.
Yep, I do the extra hours, I'lldo the I do the hard work, I
(42:14):
don't feel things like that.
You can't keep on complainingthat these jobs are too hard.
We uh we need we need uhambulances, we need versus we
need all that.
(42:41):
Well, I think the value we don'tvalue at something at the high
range.
SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
Yeah, it's a very good point.
You've got a dodgy line, I'm butI'm gonna promise you in a new
year, I'm gonna buy you a brandnew phone.
The the point about that, and hemakes a good point about the
value that we place on uh peoplelike officers, uh like ambos,
like nurses, because withoutthem our lives would be
absolutely kangaroo, Edwards.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
I I can tell you we are actually sacrificing the
health of our front line at themoment.
We're sacrificing the health toto ride on trains.
Why aren't the authorities awarethat that's the case?
Why don't they uh why are theyaware of that?
For some reason they don't valueit.
And I was having a communicationI had a conversation with Olivia
Walsh that we spoke to on theshow here from ArcaShift.
(43:28):
And she was talking about wewere talking about it today.
SPEAKER_02 (43:30):
They don't value if the Commission of the Great and
you have great regard for the uhI have massive regard for Mike
Bush.
I do.
You could whisper in Michael'sear.
SPEAKER_01 (43:39):
I'd love to sit down with Mike Bush and discuss a
strategy moving forward withhealth.
SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
We'll organise it.
I've written it down.
This is fantastic.
This is a quote from RogerSutherland, and you can write
this down too.
Uh we don't have necessarily acost of living crisis.
SPEAKER_01 (43:53):
What we have is a government spending crisis.
A cost of cost of governmentcrisis.
SPEAKER_02 (43:58):
A cost of government crisis.
That is fantastic.
Not a cost of living crisis, acost of government spending
crisis.
SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
They're spending like drunken stylers, and it's
our money, and we're in debt.
SPEAKER_02 (44:12):
It's our money, Ralph.
It's always to you.
SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
And it's up to you too have space journey to you.
SPEAKER_02 (44:19):
Thank you.
Will you be part of uh thisprogram next year?
I would love to do it.
Will I be part of this programnext week?
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