February 6, 2025 • 51 mins
What if navigating the world felt like a constant battle against invisible forces? Dr. Cadet, a Black, disabled woman, shares her compelling journey through high school discrimination, chronic pain, and the societal tensions that inspired her book, "White Supremacy Is All Around: Notes from a Black, Disabled Woman in a White World." As an advocate, leader, and owner of the Oakland Roots and Soul soccer teams, Dr. Cadet opens up about her multifaceted career and the profound impact her work has had on readers seeking guidance through societal challenges.Â
In a raw and insightful discussion, we confront the pervasive influence of white supremacy in everyday life, from healthcare inequities to career hurdles faced by marginalized individuals. Dr. Cadet's candid reflections on being undervalued and stereotyped reveal the exhausting efforts required to assert one’s worth. She shares personal stories that underscore the universal struggle for equality and recognition in a world where stereotypes often overshadow achievements.
Amidst these heavy themes, we don't shy away from the importance of self-care and self-celebration. Dr. Cadet emphasizes the necessity of setting boundaries, prioritizing personal milestones, and the role of rest in sustaining activism. With anecdotes about planning a personal celebration and the comic relief Chucho (Dog) provided, this episode highlights the balance between resilience and finding joy. As we wrap up, we encourage listeners to support Black literature and celebrate the milestones of marginalized communities, especially during Black History Month.
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Maria (00:02):
Welcome back listeners to a very special episode of a
Heroes Welcome podcast.
I'm your co-host, mariaLaCarrie Diego, and I am here
with my ever-glowing co-host.
Liliana (00:14):
That's me.
I sound different because I'mgetting over a flu, but I'm so
excited to be here I don't evenknow how to introduce you
because I'm such a fan.
So can you tell our audiencehow you want to introduce
yourself?
Dr. Cadet (00:33):
Yeah, thank you.
I'm so happy to be here,liliana and Maria, because we
had a wonderful time last yearwhere we connected and it's part
of your book club, which Ireally, really enjoy.
You have to start by saying theway I introduce myself is that
I'm a bad bitch, and people arelike I don't like bitch.
(00:53):
I'm like, well, I do.
If I'm calling myself a badbitch, that gives permission to
other people to do it.
I'm a baddie.
I'm a stunner.
I fuck shit up.
I dismantle white supremacy.
I fuck shit up, I dismantlewhite supremacy.
But I'm also a nerd.
So my doctorate in leadershipand organizational behavior that
I did receive from a med school, but I'm a non-clinical doc.
I use that to help people inspaces and places.
(01:16):
Works with brands all over theworld, from startups to
multi-billion dollar companies,with supporting your leaders.
Strategy, crisis management,the very hot topic, dei from
time to time.
That hasn't happened for years,so all these folks are
surprised about DEI.
I'm like I haven't had DEImoney in a very long time and so
(01:41):
that's who I am.
I live in Oakland, california.
Um, I'm a advocate of uh,beyonce and I have a huge shoe
problem.
Um, I also happen to own and beone of the owners of the
Oakland Roots and Soul theprofessional soccer teams men
and women's soccer teams outhere, um, and I'm an author,
(02:02):
right, um.
So there you are, an author ofwhite supremacists all around
notes from black, disabled womenin a white world.
And this, this little thing, isexactly one years old today.
One years old.
So february 6 2024, it came out.
We're doing this february 62025, and I'm thrilled I can be
(02:23):
here with you today.
Now, you should also know thatI wasn't going to do shit today,
except for party.
It's going to have therapy andthen party because I have a
party later tonight.
But I like you too.
So here we are.
It's only you and a celebritythat I'm talking to today.
Maria (02:41):
That's it Our status Liliana, our status just went
through the roof.
Liliana (02:47):
No one can talk to me for the rest of the day.
Maria (02:51):
Dr Cadet, thank you so much for taking time of this
very special day to chat with us.
I know we wanted to highlightyour book a little bit.
We did use it in our ownpersonal book club and you are
so kind to come and chat withall of us and I don't know about
anybody else who's listeningbut the last two and a half
(03:11):
weeks your book has become likea beacon of like sanity for
myself.
I find myself going back andrereading topics and paragraphs
that I've highlighted and markedgoing okay, it's okay, and I
think I've got some next stepsthat I've highlighted and marked
going okay, it's, it's, it'sokay, and I think I've got some
next steps that I can do.
Um, so, yeah, I would love foryou to maybe start with like the
(03:34):
moment that was like oh, I needto put this gift out into the
world because it's not just mineanymore.
Dr. Cadet (03:43):
Yeah, someone just sent me a DM and it said the way
I have referenced your book thepast two weeks.
So so good.
You're not alone in that and Ilove that.
I love hearing that when Iwanted to put this book in the
world, probably it was in highschool, to tell you the truth.
(04:06):
So when I moved from my Kthrough eight, so my K through
eight was a K through six, andthen when I was there, they're
like you know what, let's makeit a K through eight.
So I was a top dog from sixthgrade for seventh grade class
and first eighth grade class andit was great, you know, street
(04:27):
cred just through the roof.
But when I went to high schooland I went to public school
because my mom was assistantsuperintendent of Sac City
Unified School Districts- in.
California and when you go tohigh school, school's bigger.
So I went from at my K througheight, being one of four Black
families in my class, to morediversity.
(04:52):
So think about 80 kids to 2,500.
It was like massive.
And that is when and where Iwas harassed by people who
looked like me because I talkedwhite to them or it was an Oreo,
(05:12):
or my complexion, or my eyecolor, my hair texture, where my
you know I'm smart, I have allthese degrees.
So I was in advanced English andI was discriminated against by
my English teacher and it was sobad because my mom is an
(05:37):
incredible writer, she's myfirst editor in life and she's
like I don't understand why youwere getting bad grades on these
papers.
Cause, like you know, until mymom sat down to talk with that
teacher to figure it out and, um, when she came into like the
office to meet my mom, to gointo the room or whatever, she
was just looking and looking andcouldn't find my mom kept
(05:59):
looking through my mom.
My mom has a lighter complexionthan me.
Her eyes are lighter than me.
She had on power suit of thenineties.
You know my mom's power suitsare mine now and that's because
that white ass teacher didn'tthink that my mom was my mom,
because she didn't view blackpeople as those who could write,
who could be the assistantsuperintendent of the school
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district, who could have allthis power and privilege.
And so my mom, like, checkedher and just took me out of her
class and I went to anotherplace and I knew exactly what
was happening, you know.
And so that's really when Iknew I wanted to write this book
, because fuck you teacher, andalso fuck that MFA program who
didn't accept me, you know, todo this Cause.
(06:44):
Yeah, I mean honestly, that'slike it is really where it all
came from.
And now we're at this positionwhere, you know, this book I
wrote it was finished in oh myGod, when was it finished?
October 31st, 2023.
My book deal happened like endof 21, 22.
(07:06):
So you know what was happeningat that time, right?
And so when my book came out,it wasn't that same time, and so
it wasn't the sexy topic, likesome of these books behind me,
where my publisher, hachette,didn't want to invest in my book
, and so I was all alone, youknow.
And here we are now whereeveryone's like, oh my God, we
(07:28):
need to talk about this book andI'm like you know, on
challengers, zendaya has thatt-shirt.
It's like I told you yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not a Virgo for
nothing.
Maria (07:43):
Oh, that makes so much sense, this Gemini surrounded by
Virgos.
I'm a Virgo.
Dr. Cadet (07:51):
You are yes, you're a Gemini surrounded by Virgos.
Maria (07:55):
I am a Gemini surrounded by Virgos.
So how much do you hate us?
You know, there's part of methat loves you guys and collects
you guys.
And then there's a part of methat goes you were doing this to
yourself, Fran.
Doing this to yourself, I'llown it, it's totally fine.
Dr. Cadet (08:14):
That's fair.
I tried to date a Gemini and Iwas like you know what I'm
giving up.
Maria (08:20):
Kudos to my partner.
He's got a saint of an angelbeing for sure.
Dr. Cadet (08:24):
No, I know I'm not.
I'm never saying no to that,but that one I was like I don't.
I don't know what's happening,because y'all have your two
sides Now, interestingly enough,I'm a twin, so I can understand
, because my twin and I are notthe same.
We are definitely like a Gemini.
We have two different sides,right, but I didn't have it in
me because I was you know doingbook stuff.
Maria (08:48):
I'll try again now that it's out.
Liliana (08:50):
We're not all bad, but some of us are a little testy.
I want to come back.
I love there's like a book, andevery time that you talk, I'm
like listen.
I was like, yes, that's anugget, yes, that's a nugget.
So this idea we live in a worldwhere, when we are considered
othering, they don't see us assmart, they don't see us as
potential Right.
We work twice as hard and it'sjust never enough.
(09:13):
Never enough because we don'thave the right skin, we're not
the right gender, we're not theright whatever is the excuse
that they're looking for.
Then, right now, we're goingback to being tokens, which is
can you talk to me about this?
Can you be in this group sothat I can prove that I'm not a
racist, which they are, but theydon't want to talk about it.
(09:38):
So we're regressing to what wasfamiliar or has been familiar
for most of us who areconsidered othering.
So I love this right Like andeven when we're othering, when
you said like, I talk white,because I've been hit with that
phrase so many times, I don'tknow what that means.
(10:00):
So therefore, I don't belong,according to that, in either
space, and it was hard, but yourbook helped me so much in
regards to organize those tworoles that there were nothing up
for me, period.
(10:20):
So you had a way of organizingit that makes sense Now, as I
share with you.
I have gifted this book so manytimes because one I truly love
the way that you organize it inorder for us to see how the
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system was not set up for us,period, and a lot of people buy
into systems, thinking that weneed to follow those systems
because they work and how theywant to use right now this
either topic, right, I have afriend who call it.
Stop calling it DEI and justcall it what it is.
(11:06):
Abbreviations do not help.
Let's call it the whole name.
Do not call it BIPAC Call.
Do not call just white supremacy.
Let's call, not because we wantto be rude, not because we want
to isolate people, but becauseby just abbreviating things, we
keep making things socomfortable for others to not
(11:29):
call what it is.
Now she's not a Virgo, butshe's getting closer to me.
But I think that is the beauty,which is how do we talk to more
people about this book?
Because you have this beautifulway of organizing what is
happening, what has happenedfrom the beginning, but we
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refuse to see it or acknowledgebecause we really love the
fantasy that we were sold um,yeah, that fantasy was never for
me.
Dr. Cadet (12:03):
Um, that fantasy, though, is for um, it it.
What we're talking about is theAmerican dream.
You want to talk about how theAmerican dream is rooted in
white supremacy, right?
How do I know?
What are the words that can nolonger be used currently with
this administration?
Trans, um, male dominated,disability, women I wish I was
(12:30):
kidding you know anti-racism.
There are a lot of these wordsthat can no longer be used.
Yeah, and why is that?
Because the American dream isfor heterosexual, non-disabled
white guys to profit, to ownland, to own people when it
comes down to it.
So, for all of us, we can'tlive the American dream.
(12:53):
That constitution was written bythose white men that I just
described.
All of them were landowners.
All of them came from a placeof wealth.
Some of them owned my ancestors, most of them did.
So we, all of us here, are notdesigned to thrive, and so we
(13:15):
look at the currentadministration, donald's regime
and, by the way, I call himDonald because there's a 2018
study that talks about how womenin positions of power are
called by their first name.
So we think about last year.
Right In the election, everyonewas like Kamala, kamala, kamala
, and then Trump, trump, trump.
Right.
And the reason why that happensis that when you call someone
(13:38):
by their first name, it issignaling that they are not
qualified to do their leadershiprole, their job.
So Donald and James David arepieces of shit, right.
And James David, I have to telleveryone, is JD Vance.
They don't understand, right.
Maria (13:56):
Right Again, right the abbreviations.
People don't make thoseconnections.
Yeah, they do not.
Dr. Cadet (14:00):
They don't make those connections.
So what they are doing, inaddition to the mandate for
leadership, also known asProject 2025, is getting back to
restoring those American valuesthat benefited heterosexual,
non-disabled white men.
Why?
(14:27):
Because that bitch, she's a badbitch.
She's also at home and she hasto stay in her place.
She has to make her fruitsnacks from fucking scratch,
right, like all of that.
You know, people are likethat's wild, but then they have
millions and millions offollowers and then they're being
conditioned and they're likeyou know, I would, I would like
to make those lunches that tellyou know a mermaid's adventure,
to make those lunches that tellyou know a mermaid's adventure.
(14:49):
You know, right, and all ofthis is designed to put that
superiority, remind people ofthat superiority, in place.
So, going back to your earliercomment, liliana, about talking
white, I do not talk white.
You talk like someone who is anAmerican.
I talk like someone who went toschool.
Talk to talk like someone whohas a doctorate.
(15:11):
You expect me to be in schoolfor half my life.
It'll be 10 years that I havemy doctorate this year, this
summer, and I'm not supposed tosound the way I'm supposed to
sound.
You think that my immigrantfather who is all about the
American dream, by the waydidn't work so hard to become a
(15:36):
lawyer.
So I lived in a white assneighborhood, because the white
ass neighborhood had the grocerystore and the parks and I could
just walk the streets and dowhatever I wanted to do.
So how else am I supposed tosound?
Maria (15:50):
right?
Well, I love it because,sounding white, even within our
own, you know 48 continuousStates um white people from New
Mexico do not sound like whitepeople from Alabama, or sound
like white people from Maine.
Dr. Cadet (16:06):
What's happening in Baltimore.
I don't understand.
I don't understand some of thewords, don't you know?
Yeah, but yeah.
But.
So I mean that's a valid, valid, valid and very powerful point.
Right, because if someone has asouthern draw, they can be
viewed as less intelligent too.
Right, and there's a wholebunch of being good on a whole
(16:26):
little rabbit hole with that.
But these are the systems andstructures of white supremacy.
So what is white supremacy?
White supremacy, whitesupremacy, is the social
determinants of health.
White supremacy is what youneed to thrive and grow right
and have opportunity to liveyour life to the fullest.
So it is the grocery store.
It is getting pulled over bythe cop and just getting a
(16:48):
ticket or being told to slowdown.
It's going to the emergencyroom and having her pain be
relieved.
It's getting promoted for noreason.
It's just like you've been here.
So let me give you thispromotion.
It's being served at therestaurant, the cafe, the
airport, wherever you are, andnot being watched while you shop
(17:09):
.
It's the things that everyoneshould have.
But the way white spermacy worksis only white people or those
that acclimate or have lighterskin privilege can benefit from
those things.
I would love to have whitespermacy.
Great, it'd be great.
I wouldn't have to fight for mylife every time I'm dealing
with health stuff.
I wouldn't have to lay off mystaff because no one wants to
(17:33):
give me money anymore, because Ihad unrealistic margins for the
five years of the murder ofGeorge Floyd.
I wouldn't have to do thosethings.
People would just give me moneyfor no reason.
But my intersectionality as aBlack person, as a woman, but my
intersectionality as a blackperson, as a woman and as a
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disabled person, means that Ishouldn't be here, I should not
be successful, I should notsound white, I should not, you
know, do anything that'sremotely close to white people's
success.
Maria (18:05):
Right, you shouldn't have a doctorate, shouldn't be
published author.
Dr. Cadet (18:08):
Nobody should be hearing from you, yeah, oh, I
don't know, not at all, but Ilike to fuck shit up, hence the
book and if you accomplish thoseright, it was because you're a
person of color and it was givento you um this whole idea
because I've been in tableswhere first I used to hide my
(18:32):
education and and then I was,and part of it is because I also
come from Mexico.
Liliana (18:37):
I'm not supposed to my stuff and and it was someone in
my field who said, no, you haveto embrace it.
So finally, I was in in ameeting recently when I said,
excuse me, I have two master'sdegrees I have.
So I started like naming andthe person just went quiet, um,
and and it's this idea of likeno, no, no, no, part my language
(19:00):
.
You want to measure dicks?
Mine is bigger and I don't haveto tell you that it's bigger
because I know it's biggerperiod, let's move on.
But I also understand, right,how oh I'm doing this and I have
to do it in a way where Icannot be mad because of mad.
Maria (19:21):
Now you're dismissing me because I'm mad oh, don't be a
hysterical woman, liliana, don'tdo that, or a fiery Latina.
Liliana (19:30):
That's the one that I get a lot Because.
Then I get dismissed BecauseI'm just too passionate and it's
not organized and it's not.
I don't even understand youraccent anymore, can you?
What does she mean to say Like?
I get that quite often.
So this idea that I have to becomposed, that I have to be
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organized all the time, that Ihave to take my time so that I
don't intimidate you with what Iknow how I sound, it's fucking
exhausting and to be explainingand describing this all the time
it is.
So I think that when I met,when you, when you came to our
book club for anyone who's outthere, stop sending requests
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about the book club and you'regonna have to form more book
clubs, by the way, because wesaid that and then you have no
idea, um, but, but I love aboutwhen you came into a book club
and and you were describing yourprocess of writing this book,
your experiences, because Ifound a lot of these are
universal.
When you're othering and justby being female, that is a
(20:39):
challenge.
How are we there to have thislevel of education, how we dare
to have a point in these tables,um, how we dare to inspire, to
make money.
Uh, because we're supposed tobe as females, we're supposed to
be relying on a male to providethis so that they can feel
better about themselves.
Um, so you have this beautifuland and, by the way, with
(21:03):
medical stuff, I remember I telllike, oh my god, you're my twin
.
Uh, because even with themedical stuff and and the
disability, like having to go tothe ER and having a doctor
believe on what you're sharingit's so frustrating not having
language for that too.
So, being all having all theseintersections, all these
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identities, and bring it back tothe mental field where we are,
where, how do we organize it?
Because we're having parallelprocess with our clients.
So clients are coming in andsharing their stuff.
We're holding for them.
For some of us who are seasonedtherapists, as they like to
call us, letting us know thatwe've been in the field for a
(21:47):
while.
So now we supervise, we pay itforward and now holding spaces
for supervisees and the newcohorts who are coming in and
they're holding some of them.
This is their first round, youknow, with Trump, because they
were in school back then.
So having to hold this spacefor their clients.
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How do we go to talk aboutself-care and and you know,
learning how to rest so that youcan advocate.
Learning how to rest so thatyou can go at it again as I love
.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Dolores Huerta.
She's an activist.
(22:30):
She started with Cesar Chavez,so everyone knows Cesar Chavez,
but not everyone knows aboutDolores Huerta.
Dr. Cadet (22:36):
Yeah, that's how it goes.
Liliana (22:38):
Sounds right.
She's still up there and she isthe one who, for the first time
the Donald Trump run.
She's like you guys need tolearn how to rest, because
activism is something that keepsgoing.
Kind of like your point is nowfrom going from point A to point
B, activism is an ongoingprocess.
(22:59):
Right, and again I love you forhighlighting that in your book.
So how do we talk aboutself-care in this field?
Where in our field,unfortunately, psychotherapy we
talk about it from you go andconsume, you go get a pedicure,
you go get, and then you go andwork again.
Dr. Cadet (23:23):
How would you?
Pedicure is not going to doshit.
I mean, good, yes, do it, butit's not.
You know, like it's not um.
So let's do a little story um.
January 20th 2025, um, some ofyou may remember it as mlk day,
(23:44):
others may remember it asinauguration day in the
beginning of where we are now,right Beginning of the end, I
guess.
And you know, I come from thisadditional intersectionality of
being an activist and also beinga consultant, an advisor, a
(24:07):
therapist, if you will, toexecutives, leaders, celebrities
, influencers and brands.
And so I got up that day and Ijust did a little Instagram post
and I did my little sub stackand then I shut it down.
I shut it down, I didn't go onsocial media, I didn't do
(24:31):
anything.
That is rest, because I knewit'd be one of the last days
where rest would be the easiestright.
I woke up in the morning.
I watch funny things.
There's a whole bunch of SNLSaturday Night Lives that I
didn't watch.
I was just trying to watchfunny stuff and ordered in.
(24:51):
And then I woke up to my postthat said a convicted felon
rapist and white supremacistbecame president on MLK Day.
At that point it had 550,000views and hundreds of white
(25:12):
supremacists had entered thechat, the comments, right, I
still am going back to block awhole bunch of people from that
post.
On January 20th, on my sub stackthere was a post that said this
N-word needs to go back to theplantation.
And I was like, well, this is.
(25:32):
This has never happened onSubstack.
What do I do?
I had to, like, figure out thatprocess.
And then, as I was goingthrough my emails, I received an
email from undead, shotgunwhite YT at gmailcom.
If anyone wants to email them.
Um, that said she lost, he won,get over it.
(25:59):
This is my work email.
This is my akila at email,right?
And then my out of office isstill on my out of office talks
about mlk day and me being me,and replied back with a
pixelated video of a manscreaming over and over release
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me, who was on a cross with firebehind it.
And that was my first day back.
So I was like, well, I guess I'mnow, and I've gotten death
threats before, but now I'm in adifferent position because we
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have to call MAGA for what MAGAis, and they are an extremist
group, they are a hate group,right?
And those folks have time?
Yeah, they do they have timeright To find my email, to send
something, to do all that otherstuff right.
And so I had to make a decision.
(27:07):
And that decision was metexting my neighbor saying what,
who's like this very, veryfancy electrician for, like UC
Berkeley, like does all thefancy equipment to that
discovers the future, orwhatever.
And I was like can I, can youlike, can you like, install a
24-7 camera in front of my door?
(27:27):
He, he's a white guy, but hetakes care of me.
Um and uh, I had to sit here andsay like this isn't sustainable
.
This isn't sustainable becausethe only way I can protect
myself because as an activist, Ido it through social media,
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because with my disability Idon't have the ability to go
outside and do stuff like that.
And so I had to decide how am Igoing to sustain myself?
Because this is not sustainable.
So that goes back into rest.
So I have very firm boundarieswhere I don't work on Fridays, I
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don't have meetings on Mondays.
I just say no all the time, youknow, to a lot of things so I
can fit stuff in and I don't.
I've always had healthyboundaries with social media,
but I give myself grace forgoing in.
I have to individually go andblock all these people Because
if not, they'll come back.
If not, they'll send me a DM.
And I live to individually goand block all these people
Because if not, they'll comeback.
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If not, they'll send me a DMand I live a blocked and
unbothered life.
There's only so many messagesthat you can look at.
You know that happens.
Resistance and things like thatthat come from a lot of black
women, indigenous women.
You know that have been doingthis work for a long time.
(28:55):
It's because of what you said.
They knew civil rights movementwas going to take a very long
time.
They knew jim crow was going totake a very, very long, long
time.
They knew you know.
So they had to be able to givethemselves grace along the way
to be able to disconnect.
Now it's important to notethere's privilege and rest.
Liliana (29:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Cadet (29:20):
Privilege.
My world in general is prettyfucked because people know me
and that takes, so I can be, Ican be at.
This has happened at my littlegetaway massage spot.
It's at this fancy hotel.
It's 10 minutes from here.
I love it.
Get a massage, hang out, spa,have a wonderful time and I'll
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leave.
Oh my god, drk you're nowundoing what I just did, but but
I'm a kind person, I alwaystalk to people and it's great.
But even in those moments ofrest, um, sometimes they're not
given to me, and so rest is menot going outside, because my
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home is the safest, mostsupportive space, you know, for
me but, my work tonight.
Maria (30:09):
Yeah, we've had that conversation ourselves being
disabled professionals in theworld.
It's, like you know, sometimeslike my rest is just not leaving
the house for several days at atime and doing what I can
inside my, inside, my safety net.
Dr. Cadet (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I think let's
talk about that though, becausethat part of our
intersectionality, too, makesrest harder.
So, um, I have, let's see, endof last year I was casually on
suicide watch.
(30:46):
Um, it was very fun with my,with my um therapist, um, and a
lot of it is.
I just don't like the holidays,because it's a whole other
story, but I, you know, I missmy dog and stuff, but I, um,
every day I'm like it's todaythe day that my healthcare is
going to go up.
Right every day I'm like.
(31:07):
It's today the day that myhealthcare is going to go up
right.
It's today, the day that I'mnot going to be able to get the
injection that I take for therest of my life so my spine
doesn't fuse together.
It's today, the day that, youknow, my stress level is going
to be so high that I'll actuallyhave a heart attack.
You know, I know I'm flaringmore already just because of the
(31:29):
nature of my work and what wesee and hear and what we're
doing, and so that makes restnot a nice to have thing.
It is a life or death thing.
It definitely is for me, youknow.
So we have to really be mindfulof that when we see what's
happening in this currentadministration and what they
want to do, not only to healthcare and delivery, but to the
(31:54):
research that's also needed, tothe services that's also needed
so that we can maintain health.
Like last year, a lot of peopledon't realize this the federal
government allocated researchdollars to women's health for
the first time.
For the first time, for thefirst time.
(32:15):
People don't even they don'tget it Health and research
dollars for women's health.
Maria (32:22):
we're talking periods, pregnancies, menopause, how
certain conditions affectwomen's bodies over men's bodies
I mean, it was just last yearthat we heard about the pads and
tampons having toxic materialsin them.
That was not even considered tobe worthy of looking at until
(32:45):
last year, but was it 2020 or2021?
Dr. Cadet (32:50):
We no longer taxed on those products for people who
use those types of products.
Meanwhile, men and they'retalking Viagra it's always been
part of your healthcare spendingaccount, your flexible spending
account.
I mean it's so many of thosethings.
So, again, the privilege torest is crucial for people who,
(33:11):
you know, have chronic illness,chronic pain, disability, but
again, there's still privilegein it, right?
Because when you go back intothe intersectionality, back into
the intersectionality, y'allhave to deal with people who are
going through this stuff, oryou're educating people who are
going through this stuff, orboth, while you are also going
(33:33):
through this stuff, right?
And so the layers in which ittakes for you to get to that
point of rest I mean I can watch90 Day Fiance and be like wow,
white people, really just whitesupremacy it's right there, you
know what I mean and that's myrest Right, but I'll still
analyze.
Oh, there's a whole bunch ofableism showing up.
You know that's still in myrest.
Maria (33:56):
I will not rest until I marry up.
Dr. Cadet (33:58):
I'll marry up or I become a millionaire again.
Maria (34:03):
And defining that rest isn't a cure, right, because
that's the other thing is likewell, if you just rest, then
you'll be better.
And it's like no.
Rest doesn't cure things.
It helps me recharge so mybattery continues to go, but
like no, taking a nap in themiddle of the day is not going
to just magically make my bodyfunction the way you think it's
supposed to and I mean go towork in order to pay my medical
(34:27):
bills, which this amount ofstress is creating.
Liliana (34:30):
More medical issues, then like is this loop?
Dr. Cadet (34:35):
the loop, my copay.
I have a platinum ppo.
It went up, you know, it's beenin the thousands but it's more
thousands now.
And I have a platinum pPObecause I have multiple,
multiple comorbidities and fiveof them are rare.
And I got, you know, my regularkeep me alive drugs.
I take two keep me alive drugsevery day and it used to be like
(35:01):
$3 and some nonsense for two ofthem.
Now it's $14.
And for someone that's likewell, it's $14.
I'm like no, no, I haveexpenses that I have to pay for.
Like my massages aren't coveredand I need massages for my
Ehlers-Danlos syndrome body, myEDS body, and so it's taking
(35:22):
away from that.
All of that adds up.
Right, it adds up.
There's a time where I likehave too much medication.
I just get it anyway.
I'm like three bucks.
But now it's like do I have it?
Do I have enough?
Maria (35:33):
because maybe I'll skip it this time that's over 400
markup like because it's a smalldollar amount does not mean
that that markup does not make asignificant difference.
Dr. Cadet (35:44):
It's generic, you know, it's not, you know the,
you know.
So it's a lot of that stuff is.
It's incredibly frustrating.
But the thing that comes alongwith rest, which I think is
easier to do, is to find pocketsof joy, because you can find
them throughout the day.
They could be two seconds,seven hours, whatever right,
(36:05):
just finding these pockets ofjoy, because Donald can't take
your joy.
You know he can piss you offfor sure, but he cannot take
your joy.
And so that was the other thingthat I had to do.
It's like, okay, I'm going tofind Billy, that is what I'm
going to do.
That is what I'm going to do.
And so I mentioned I mentionedearlier I'm having a party
(36:34):
tonight and, um, I almost kindof want to read the email to you
of what I said out.
But, um, in short, I said youcan come to this bar restaurant.
I'm in this private space, thatmy friend owns the space and he
told me years ago, it's like,do something here for the book
I'm going to give you the spaceand it's AAPI on space.
It'll be decorated like forlunar year.
I'm so excited and it's really,really cool.
(36:55):
But I said come if you wantbetween five 30 and seven 30.
I'm not paying for shit.
So if you want to come and justsay hi, that's fine.
If you want to have a drink orget some food, that's also fine
too.
I am not picking up anyone'stab.
Your sole purpose is to comeand celebrate me.
(37:16):
And if you cannot make it,because life just totally fine.
Send me a message ofencouragement so I can make it
through this year.
Right, I don't want to find asponsor.
I don't want to find a sponsor.
I didn't want to have a display.
I didn't want to have a tableset.
I didn't want to do anything.
I didn't want to lose any of mymoney because I've been taking
care of so many people and Ineed things to be about me.
(37:40):
I need people to pour into meand my joy.
And if that rubs in the wrongway, guess what?
You are not my person, andthat's fine.
That's absolutely fine.
I'm a Virgo, I'm going to takenotes and they're not going to
get any more stuff from me.
You know, you know movingforward.
But that was really really hardfor me to do because I am a
(38:01):
caretaker and I had to, like youknow, work with my therapist to
do that because naturally, Iwould feel like I'm less than
because I'm not creating anexperience for folks.
But the experience is me.
A year ago I, you know, I triedto end my life right before this
(38:32):
book came out because publisherwasn't going to support me.
I was going to be on my own.
I had to spend a whole bunch ofmoney for my book tour.
That could have been money forme and my health and what I
needed.
But everyone tells you, like youknow, a book is is what you
should invest in.
And you know I did it.
And, um, the return oninvestment is always there
because I wrote it.
I'm proud of me.
Um, the return on investment isthere when folks like you, say
(38:54):
they love the book and theyshare the book.
It's there.
But I also need money too, youknow, because being disabled is
expensive, being an entrepreneuris expensive, you know, and I
was just like, maybe it's justnot worth it.
So the simple fact that I wentto bed at 4 am because my
(39:15):
stomach was not trying to bekind, and I woke up and two
people I really care about sentme a happy anniversary thing and
I was like, ah, they're makinganother year, um, and my best
friend asked me three things toshare, like three positive
(39:36):
things today, and I was like one, I'm still here.
And two, this party is about metonight and I don't have to do
anything.
Maria (39:45):
And then three no, seriously, I'm still here,
because I wasn't, and then Ibawled.
So I was like that's why I waslate.
Dr. Cadet (39:57):
I had to start crying and how to get myself together.
Because I made it, you didtogether.
Because I made it, you did, youknow, and I have major
depressive disorder for thelisteners.
So being in chronic pain andhaving major depressive disorder
is a vicious cycle.
I wish on Donald and JamesVance you know I do wish it on
them.
(40:17):
So it means a lot to be hereand now I have to sit in this
place of what will happen to mybook this year.
And if my book doesn't get towhere books go this year, am I
going to have to deal with somehard feelings or difficult
feelings?
Right?
And so that's what me and mytherapist gets to do later today
(40:37):
.
Maria (40:41):
No, I, I I'm so appreciative of of you sharing
your story, because I, yourstory because we don't always
think right are products ofhumans, humans with feelings and
humans who gave up and paiddearly to put that thing out
(41:10):
into the world, and I think itjust speaks to the disconnect of
humanity that we have seen suchan increase and I fear that we
are just going to continue tosee such an increase of with
project 2025, with, you know,the current administration and
just I mean, there's always beena disconnect for a lot of the
(41:32):
intersectionalities, um, thatyou, we talked about today, but
that has been one that justcontinues to rise.
That you know, people feelreally emboldened behind the
screen to just be awful, awfulpeople.
Dr. Cadet (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, they really are.
But it's really important tolet folks know if you are in a
press group, you are disabled,you're BIPOC, black, indigenous
Person of Color, a woman, pretty, lgbt plus community like a
press group.
You really really have to becareful, because when you have
(42:10):
someone like Donald in office,who supports the very
individuals who have beenwaiting, waiting to go back to
Jim Crow era, people should beconcerned for their physical
safety.
You know, microaggressions willincrease um and that's what we
call covert, whatever the thingis racism, homophobia, ableism,
(42:34):
whatever um.
But we are going to have likemore like over, like in your
face, direct, like we are comingfor you.
We are going to harm youbecause Donald said we could,
yeah.
Liliana (42:51):
So we're going back to the era of giving permission so
that you can be vocally racistand make threats, and totally
okay because you're a white manor a white woman, right.
Dr. Cadet (43:02):
but physically, we have to physically right.
So what we saw right afterdonald was elected, we saw more
more karens right being in yourface again and that hadn't
happened for a while.
I mean, it always happens, butit wasn't like oh, there's these
things happening again and andpeople are losing their jobs.
(43:24):
You know again.
You know, depending on thebrand or company, that they work
for right, and so I think wehave to really talk about what
are you going to do for yoursupport system?
What are you going to do forsafety?
This is not a like we made itthrough the first time thing.
This is a regime.
(43:44):
This is an olig thing.
This is a regime.
This is an oligarchy.
This is also how capitalismworks.
But we are not safe, right,we're not safe.
Like, impeachment articles arestarting again.
You know to go through thatprocess maybe third time's a
charm, but there's still thissystem and structure that's in
(44:06):
place of these architects ofProject 2025.
Individuals who are whitesupremacists.
When you have the leader of theProud Boys released and other
of the January 6thinsurrectionists released, and
you have a white Capitol Policeofficer say I am in fear of my
(44:26):
life, that's incrediblyproblematic, right?
So I always say pay attentionbecause you really really have
to pay attention.
Because you really really haveto pay attention.
I called what's happening inGaza genocide in my book on
(44:52):
October 31st 2023.
Yeah, 2023.
Because I knew it was going tohappen.
So it's not a surprise to methat the besties benjamin and
(45:19):
donald are are doing ethniccleansing right now.
It's not a surprise to me whenI said last year, like what
happens there in gaza can happenhere.
So you know, it's like anunprecedented, unprecedented,
unprecedented time.
I don't know, I don't know howmany unprecedented times we are
in, but you know it's definitely.
(45:44):
It's definitely that.
And so you know, going back tohow we started, the reason why I
wrote this book is so peoplewho look and live like us and
our intersectionality can feelvalidated, seen and heard.
Those oppressed groups right,they could know that I made it
through so much stuff so wecould keep moving forward.
And then it's for the whitefolks who were performative and
(46:05):
there were allies right aroundthe murder of George Floyd and
to move past allyship and becomean accomplice.
Accomplice is exactly what itsounds like.
You are willing to take therisk of robbing the bank and
hopping in the car and movingand risking it all you know, for
someone who doesn't have thesame power and privilege as you,
and so I, you know.
So I hope people use this bookto help them make it through
(46:29):
this time.
Oh, my goodness, sorry, justthe nose alone.
Maria (46:36):
We've had a special guest .
Chucho has joined the chat.
Dr. Cadet (46:40):
Chucho is ridiculously cute.
You don't even.
Oh, I love dogs.
And now all this.
Like my blood pressure has gonedown just like that.
Maria (46:52):
Magical creatures.
And I think, you know, dr Cade,I think I mean I could talk to
you for hours about thisaccomplished, you know, ship
that you've offered out BecauseI think it's so important and I
think it's going to be even moreimportant.
I mean it's only been two and ahalf weeks.
You know we've got a long, longroad.
Dr. Cadet (47:13):
It's only been two and a half weeks.
Maria (47:15):
It's only been a two and a half weeks.
It's been the longest, you know, two and a half weeks of my
little life, but I think too,having you come back to talk
about and and to be reallydirect, I think the one thing I
really, one of the things Ireally appreciate about you is
this this is no nonsense, thisis, this is how it is, this you
just share it and you don't tryto sugarcoat it, you don't try
(47:38):
to downplay any of it, and Ithink that, and then an you know
, an important conversation forwhites to listen to is the you
know, don't be an ally, be anaccomplice.
And here is what that means andhere is how you do that so yeah
100 thank you.
Liliana (47:59):
Thank you for being here.
Please celebrate big um for allof you who are listening.
Please send kind words.
Listen, you know what's a goodthing that you're looking
forward to.
Let's post more of that stuff,my gosh the drops of joy.
Maria (48:14):
Yes, yeah.
Liliana (48:17):
And go buy this book.
Dr. Cadet (48:20):
I think it's a good book to buy, or the audio book.
If you like this voice, theaudio book is me Enjoy the audio
book Quite a bit the audio bookand then we went and bought the
book.
It's also great too.
It makes a wonderful gift andit is Black History Month, so
anyone who has any white guilt,this is a wonderful gift as well
(48:40):
.
So tap into that.
But also reviews Reviews arehelpful too.
You know.
You can copy and paste thatreview from goodreads to amazon
to walmart, to wherever you buythe books, because my book is
available wherever books aresold and that signals to um
society.
It signals to the publisherthat people are talking about
this book.
They want to see more of thisbook.
Liliana (49:02):
Let's all, collectively , do that.
Thank you again for your time,for your wisdom.
You want to use this platform.
You're more than welcome.
Dr. Cadet (49:12):
Oh well, whenever you want me, just you know, find me
, I'll be here.
Maria (49:16):
I will definitely have you back, but, yes, happy one
year celebration I hope that youare just flooded with drops of
joy today.
Dr. Cadet (49:28):
I hope so too, but my outfit's cute.
Liliana (49:29):
That I do know.
It's all that matters.
We hope to get pictures later,so take care of you and thank
you, listeners, and go get thatbook.
Dr. Cadet (49:37):
Thank you.
Welcome back listeners to a very special episode of a
Heroes Welcome podcast.
I'm your co-host, mariaLaCarrie Diego, and I am here
with my ever-glowing co-host.
Liliana (00:14):
That's me.
I sound different because I'mgetting over a flu, but I'm so
excited to be here I don't evenknow how to introduce you
because I'm such a fan.
So can you tell our audiencehow you want to introduce
yourself?
Dr. Cadet (00:33):
Yeah, thank you.
I'm so happy to be here,liliana and Maria, because we
had a wonderful time last yearwhere we connected and it's part
of your book club, which Ireally, really enjoy.
You have to start by saying theway I introduce myself is that
I'm a bad bitch, and people arelike I don't like bitch.
(00:53):
I'm like, well, I do.
If I'm calling myself a badbitch, that gives permission to
other people to do it.
I'm a baddie.
I'm a stunner.
I fuck shit up.
I dismantle white supremacy.
I fuck shit up, I dismantlewhite supremacy.
But I'm also a nerd.
So my doctorate in leadershipand organizational behavior that
I did receive from a med school, but I'm a non-clinical doc.
I use that to help people inspaces and places.
(01:16):
Works with brands all over theworld, from startups to
multi-billion dollar companies,with supporting your leaders.
Strategy, crisis management,the very hot topic, dei from
time to time.
That hasn't happened for years,so all these folks are
surprised about DEI.
I'm like I haven't had DEImoney in a very long time and so
(01:41):
that's who I am.
I live in Oakland, california.
Um, I'm a advocate of uh,beyonce and I have a huge shoe
problem.
Um, I also happen to own and beone of the owners of the
Oakland Roots and Soul theprofessional soccer teams men
and women's soccer teams outhere, um, and I'm an author,
(02:02):
right, um.
So there you are, an author ofwhite supremacists all around
notes from black, disabled womenin a white world.
And this, this little thing, isexactly one years old today.
One years old.
So february 6 2024, it came out.
We're doing this february 62025, and I'm thrilled I can be
(02:23):
here with you today.
Now, you should also know thatI wasn't going to do shit today,
except for party.
It's going to have therapy andthen party because I have a
party later tonight.
But I like you too.
So here we are.
It's only you and a celebritythat I'm talking to today.
Maria (02:41):
That's it Our status Liliana, our status just went
through the roof.
Liliana (02:47):
No one can talk to me for the rest of the day.
Maria (02:51):
Dr Cadet, thank you so much for taking time of this
very special day to chat with us.
I know we wanted to highlightyour book a little bit.
We did use it in our ownpersonal book club and you are
so kind to come and chat withall of us and I don't know about
anybody else who's listeningbut the last two and a half
(03:11):
weeks your book has become likea beacon of like sanity for
myself.
I find myself going back andrereading topics and paragraphs
that I've highlighted and markedgoing okay, it's okay, and I
think I've got some next stepsthat I've highlighted and marked
going okay, it's, it's, it'sokay, and I think I've got some
next steps that I can do.
Um, so, yeah, I would love foryou to maybe start with like the
(03:34):
moment that was like oh, I needto put this gift out into the
world because it's not just mineanymore.
Dr. Cadet (03:43):
Yeah, someone just sent me a DM and it said the way
I have referenced your book thepast two weeks.
So so good.
You're not alone in that and Ilove that.
I love hearing that when Iwanted to put this book in the
world, probably it was in highschool, to tell you the truth.
(04:06):
So when I moved from my Kthrough eight, so my K through
eight was a K through six, andthen when I was there, they're
like you know what, let's makeit a K through eight.
So I was a top dog from sixthgrade for seventh grade class
and first eighth grade class andit was great, you know, street
(04:27):
cred just through the roof.
But when I went to high schooland I went to public school
because my mom was assistantsuperintendent of Sac City
Unified School Districts- in.
California and when you go tohigh school, school's bigger.
So I went from at my K througheight, being one of four Black
families in my class, to morediversity.
(04:52):
So think about 80 kids to 2,500.
It was like massive.
And that is when and where Iwas harassed by people who
looked like me because I talkedwhite to them or it was an Oreo,
(05:12):
or my complexion, or my eyecolor, my hair texture, where my
you know I'm smart, I have allthese degrees.
So I was in advanced English andI was discriminated against by
my English teacher and it was sobad because my mom is an
(05:37):
incredible writer, she's myfirst editor in life and she's
like I don't understand why youwere getting bad grades on these
papers.
Cause, like you know, until mymom sat down to talk with that
teacher to figure it out and, um, when she came into like the
office to meet my mom, to gointo the room or whatever, she
was just looking and looking andcouldn't find my mom kept
(05:59):
looking through my mom.
My mom has a lighter complexionthan me.
Her eyes are lighter than me.
She had on power suit of thenineties.
You know my mom's power suitsare mine now and that's because
that white ass teacher didn'tthink that my mom was my mom,
because she didn't view blackpeople as those who could write,
who could be the assistantsuperintendent of the school
(06:21):
district, who could have allthis power and privilege.
And so my mom, like, checkedher and just took me out of her
class and I went to anotherplace and I knew exactly what
was happening, you know.
And so that's really when Iknew I wanted to write this book
, because fuck you teacher, andalso fuck that MFA program who
didn't accept me, you know, todo this Cause.
(06:44):
Yeah, I mean honestly, that'slike it is really where it all
came from.
And now we're at this positionwhere, you know, this book I
wrote it was finished in oh myGod, when was it finished?
October 31st, 2023.
My book deal happened like endof 21, 22.
(07:06):
So you know what was happeningat that time, right?
And so when my book came out,it wasn't that same time, and so
it wasn't the sexy topic, likesome of these books behind me,
where my publisher, hachette,didn't want to invest in my book
, and so I was all alone, youknow.
And here we are now whereeveryone's like, oh my God, we
(07:28):
need to talk about this book andI'm like you know, on
challengers, zendaya has thatt-shirt.
It's like I told you yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not a Virgo for
nothing.
Maria (07:43):
Oh, that makes so much sense, this Gemini surrounded by
Virgos.
I'm a Virgo.
Dr. Cadet (07:51):
You are yes, you're a Gemini surrounded by Virgos.
Maria (07:55):
I am a Gemini surrounded by Virgos.
So how much do you hate us?
You know, there's part of methat loves you guys and collects
you guys.
And then there's a part of methat goes you were doing this to
yourself, Fran.
Doing this to yourself, I'llown it, it's totally fine.
Dr. Cadet (08:14):
That's fair.
I tried to date a Gemini and Iwas like you know what I'm
giving up.
Maria (08:20):
Kudos to my partner.
He's got a saint of an angelbeing for sure.
Dr. Cadet (08:24):
No, I know I'm not.
I'm never saying no to that,but that one I was like I don't.
I don't know what's happening,because y'all have your two
sides Now, interestingly enough,I'm a twin, so I can understand
, because my twin and I are notthe same.
We are definitely like a Gemini.
We have two different sides,right, but I didn't have it in
me because I was you know doingbook stuff.
Maria (08:48):
I'll try again now that it's out.
Liliana (08:50):
We're not all bad, but some of us are a little testy.
I want to come back.
I love there's like a book, andevery time that you talk, I'm
like listen.
I was like, yes, that's anugget, yes, that's a nugget.
So this idea we live in a worldwhere, when we are considered
othering, they don't see us assmart, they don't see us as
potential Right.
We work twice as hard and it'sjust never enough.
(09:13):
Never enough because we don'thave the right skin, we're not
the right gender, we're not theright whatever is the excuse
that they're looking for.
Then, right now, we're goingback to being tokens, which is
can you talk to me about this?
Can you be in this group sothat I can prove that I'm not a
racist, which they are, but theydon't want to talk about it.
(09:38):
So we're regressing to what wasfamiliar or has been familiar
for most of us who areconsidered othering.
So I love this right Like andeven when we're othering, when
you said like, I talk white,because I've been hit with that
phrase so many times, I don'tknow what that means.
(10:00):
So therefore, I don't belong,according to that, in either
space, and it was hard, but yourbook helped me so much in
regards to organize those tworoles that there were nothing up
for me, period.
(10:20):
So you had a way of organizingit that makes sense Now, as I
share with you.
I have gifted this book so manytimes because one I truly love
the way that you organize it inorder for us to see how the
(10:43):
system was not set up for us,period, and a lot of people buy
into systems, thinking that weneed to follow those systems
because they work and how theywant to use right now this
either topic, right, I have afriend who call it.
Stop calling it DEI and justcall it what it is.
(11:06):
Abbreviations do not help.
Let's call it the whole name.
Do not call it BIPAC Call.
Do not call just white supremacy.
Let's call, not because we wantto be rude, not because we want
to isolate people, but becauseby just abbreviating things, we
keep making things socomfortable for others to not
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call what it is.
Now she's not a Virgo, butshe's getting closer to me.
But I think that is the beauty,which is how do we talk to more
people about this book?
Because you have this beautifulway of organizing what is
happening, what has happenedfrom the beginning, but we
(11:50):
refuse to see it or acknowledgebecause we really love the
fantasy that we were sold um,yeah, that fantasy was never for
me.
Dr. Cadet (12:03):
Um, that fantasy, though, is for um, it it.
What we're talking about is theAmerican dream.
You want to talk about how theAmerican dream is rooted in
white supremacy, right?
How do I know?
What are the words that can nolonger be used currently with
this administration?
Trans, um, male dominated,disability, women I wish I was
(12:30):
kidding you know anti-racism.
There are a lot of these wordsthat can no longer be used.
Yeah, and why is that?
Because the American dream isfor heterosexual, non-disabled
white guys to profit, to ownland, to own people when it
comes down to it.
So, for all of us, we can'tlive the American dream.
(12:53):
That constitution was written bythose white men that I just
described.
All of them were landowners.
All of them came from a placeof wealth.
Some of them owned my ancestors, most of them did.
So we, all of us here, are notdesigned to thrive, and so we
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look at the currentadministration, donald's regime
and, by the way, I call himDonald because there's a 2018
study that talks about how womenin positions of power are
called by their first name.
So we think about last year.
Right In the election, everyonewas like Kamala, kamala, kamala
, and then Trump, trump, trump.
Right.
And the reason why that happensis that when you call someone
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by their first name, it issignaling that they are not
qualified to do their leadershiprole, their job.
So Donald and James David arepieces of shit, right.
And James David, I have to telleveryone, is JD Vance.
They don't understand, right.
Maria (13:56):
Right Again, right the abbreviations.
People don't make thoseconnections.
Yeah, they do not.
Dr. Cadet (14:00):
They don't make those connections.
So what they are doing, inaddition to the mandate for
leadership, also known asProject 2025, is getting back to
restoring those American valuesthat benefited heterosexual,
non-disabled white men.
Why?
(14:27):
Because that bitch, she's a badbitch.
She's also at home and she hasto stay in her place.
She has to make her fruitsnacks from fucking scratch,
right, like all of that.
You know, people are likethat's wild, but then they have
millions and millions offollowers and then they're being
conditioned and they're likeyou know, I would, I would like
to make those lunches that tellyou know a mermaid's adventure,
to make those lunches that tellyou know a mermaid's adventure.
(14:49):
You know, right, and all ofthis is designed to put that
superiority, remind people ofthat superiority, in place.
So, going back to your earliercomment, liliana, about talking
white, I do not talk white.
You talk like someone who is anAmerican.
I talk like someone who went toschool.
Talk to talk like someone whohas a doctorate.
(15:11):
You expect me to be in schoolfor half my life.
It'll be 10 years that I havemy doctorate this year, this
summer, and I'm not supposed tosound the way I'm supposed to
sound.
You think that my immigrantfather who is all about the
American dream, by the waydidn't work so hard to become a
(15:36):
lawyer.
So I lived in a white assneighborhood, because the white
ass neighborhood had the grocerystore and the parks and I could
just walk the streets and dowhatever I wanted to do.
So how else am I supposed tosound?
Maria (15:50):
right?
Well, I love it because,sounding white, even within our
own, you know 48 continuousStates um white people from New
Mexico do not sound like whitepeople from Alabama, or sound
like white people from Maine.
Dr. Cadet (16:06):
What's happening in Baltimore.
I don't understand.
I don't understand some of thewords, don't you know?
Yeah, but yeah.
But.
So I mean that's a valid, valid, valid and very powerful point.
Right, because if someone has asouthern draw, they can be
viewed as less intelligent too.
Right, and there's a wholebunch of being good on a whole
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little rabbit hole with that.
But these are the systems andstructures of white supremacy.
So what is white supremacy?
White supremacy, whitesupremacy, is the social
determinants of health.
White supremacy is what youneed to thrive and grow right
and have opportunity to liveyour life to the fullest.
So it is the grocery store.
It is getting pulled over bythe cop and just getting a
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ticket or being told to slowdown.
It's going to the emergencyroom and having her pain be
relieved.
It's getting promoted for noreason.
It's just like you've been here.
So let me give you thispromotion.
It's being served at therestaurant, the cafe, the
airport, wherever you are, andnot being watched while you shop
(17:09):
.
It's the things that everyoneshould have.
But the way white spermacy worksis only white people or those
that acclimate or have lighterskin privilege can benefit from
those things.
I would love to have whitespermacy.
Great, it'd be great.
I wouldn't have to fight for mylife every time I'm dealing
with health stuff.
I wouldn't have to lay off mystaff because no one wants to
(17:33):
give me money anymore, because Ihad unrealistic margins for the
five years of the murder ofGeorge Floyd.
I wouldn't have to do thosethings.
People would just give me moneyfor no reason.
But my intersectionality as aBlack person, as a woman, but my
intersectionality as a blackperson, as a woman and as a
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disabled person, means that Ishouldn't be here, I should not
be successful, I should notsound white, I should not, you
know, do anything that'sremotely close to white people's
success.
Maria (18:05):
Right, you shouldn't have a doctorate, shouldn't be
published author.
Dr. Cadet (18:08):
Nobody should be hearing from you, yeah, oh, I
don't know, not at all, but Ilike to fuck shit up, hence the
book and if you accomplish thoseright, it was because you're a
person of color and it was givento you um this whole idea
because I've been in tableswhere first I used to hide my
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education and and then I was,and part of it is because I also
come from Mexico.
Liliana (18:37):
I'm not supposed to my stuff and and it was someone in
my field who said, no, you haveto embrace it.
So finally, I was in in ameeting recently when I said,
excuse me, I have two master'sdegrees I have.
So I started like naming andthe person just went quiet, um,
and and it's this idea of likeno, no, no, no, part my language
(19:00):
.
You want to measure dicks?
Mine is bigger and I don't haveto tell you that it's bigger
because I know it's biggerperiod, let's move on.
But I also understand, right,how oh I'm doing this and I have
to do it in a way where Icannot be mad because of mad.
Maria (19:21):
Now you're dismissing me because I'm mad oh, don't be a
hysterical woman, liliana, don'tdo that, or a fiery Latina.
Liliana (19:30):
That's the one that I get a lot Because.
Then I get dismissed BecauseI'm just too passionate and it's
not organized and it's not.
I don't even understand youraccent anymore, can you?
What does she mean to say Like?
I get that quite often.
So this idea that I have to becomposed, that I have to be
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organized all the time, that Ihave to take my time so that I
don't intimidate you with what Iknow how I sound, it's fucking
exhausting and to be explainingand describing this all the time
it is.
So I think that when I met,when you, when you came to our
book club for anyone who's outthere, stop sending requests
(20:17):
about the book club and you'regonna have to form more book
clubs, by the way, because wesaid that and then you have no
idea, um, but, but I love aboutwhen you came into a book club
and and you were describing yourprocess of writing this book,
your experiences, because Ifound a lot of these are
universal.
When you're othering and justby being female, that is a
(20:39):
challenge.
How are we there to have thislevel of education, how we dare
to have a point in these tables,um, how we dare to inspire, to
make money.
Uh, because we're supposed tobe as females, we're supposed to
be relying on a male to providethis so that they can feel
better about themselves.
Um, so you have this beautifuland and, by the way, with
(21:03):
medical stuff, I remember I telllike, oh my god, you're my twin
.
Uh, because even with themedical stuff and and the
disability, like having to go tothe ER and having a doctor
believe on what you're sharingit's so frustrating not having
language for that too.
So, being all having all theseintersections, all these
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identities, and bring it back tothe mental field where we are,
where, how do we organize it?
Because we're having parallelprocess with our clients.
So clients are coming in andsharing their stuff.
We're holding for them.
For some of us who are seasonedtherapists, as they like to
call us, letting us know thatwe've been in the field for a
(21:47):
while.
So now we supervise, we pay itforward and now holding spaces
for supervisees and the newcohorts who are coming in and
they're holding some of them.
This is their first round, youknow, with Trump, because they
were in school back then.
So having to hold this spacefor their clients.
(22:07):
How do we go to talk aboutself-care and and you know,
learning how to rest so that youcan advocate.
Learning how to rest so thatyou can go at it again as I love
.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Dolores Huerta.
She's an activist.
(22:30):
She started with Cesar Chavez,so everyone knows Cesar Chavez,
but not everyone knows aboutDolores Huerta.
Dr. Cadet (22:36):
Yeah, that's how it goes.
Liliana (22:38):
Sounds right.
She's still up there and she isthe one who, for the first time
the Donald Trump run.
She's like you guys need tolearn how to rest, because
activism is something that keepsgoing.
Kind of like your point is nowfrom going from point A to point
B, activism is an ongoingprocess.
(22:59):
Right, and again I love you forhighlighting that in your book.
So how do we talk aboutself-care in this field?
Where in our field,unfortunately, psychotherapy we
talk about it from you go andconsume, you go get a pedicure,
you go get, and then you go andwork again.
Dr. Cadet (23:23):
How would you?
Pedicure is not going to doshit.
I mean, good, yes, do it, butit's not.
You know, like it's not um.
So let's do a little story um.
January 20th 2025, um, some ofyou may remember it as mlk day,
(23:44):
others may remember it asinauguration day in the
beginning of where we are now,right Beginning of the end, I
guess.
And you know, I come from thisadditional intersectionality of
being an activist and also beinga consultant, an advisor, a
(24:07):
therapist, if you will, toexecutives, leaders, celebrities
, influencers and brands.
And so I got up that day and Ijust did a little Instagram post
and I did my little sub stackand then I shut it down.
I shut it down, I didn't go onsocial media, I didn't do
(24:31):
anything.
That is rest, because I knewit'd be one of the last days
where rest would be the easiestright.
I woke up in the morning.
I watch funny things.
There's a whole bunch of SNLSaturday Night Lives that I
didn't watch.
I was just trying to watchfunny stuff and ordered in.
(24:51):
And then I woke up to my postthat said a convicted felon
rapist and white supremacistbecame president on MLK Day.
At that point it had 550,000views and hundreds of white
(25:12):
supremacists had entered thechat, the comments, right, I
still am going back to block awhole bunch of people from that
post.
On January 20th, on my sub stackthere was a post that said this
N-word needs to go back to theplantation.
And I was like, well, this is.
(25:32):
This has never happened onSubstack.
What do I do?
I had to, like, figure out thatprocess.
And then, as I was goingthrough my emails, I received an
email from undead, shotgunwhite YT at gmailcom.
If anyone wants to email them.
Um, that said she lost, he won,get over it.
(25:59):
This is my work email.
This is my akila at email,right?
And then my out of office isstill on my out of office talks
about mlk day and me being me,and replied back with a
pixelated video of a manscreaming over and over release
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me, who was on a cross with firebehind it.
And that was my first day back.
So I was like, well, I guess I'mnow, and I've gotten death
threats before, but now I'm in adifferent position because we
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have to call MAGA for what MAGAis, and they are an extremist
group, they are a hate group,right?
And those folks have time?
Yeah, they do they have timeright To find my email, to send
something, to do all that otherstuff right.
And so I had to make a decision.
(27:07):
And that decision was metexting my neighbor saying what,
who's like this very, veryfancy electrician for, like UC
Berkeley, like does all thefancy equipment to that
discovers the future, orwhatever.
And I was like can I, can youlike, can you like, install a
24-7 camera in front of my door?
(27:27):
He, he's a white guy, but hetakes care of me.
Um and uh, I had to sit here andsay like this isn't sustainable
.
This isn't sustainable becausethe only way I can protect
myself because as an activist, Ido it through social media,
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because with my disability Idon't have the ability to go
outside and do stuff like that.
And so I had to decide how am Igoing to sustain myself?
Because this is not sustainable.
So that goes back into rest.
So I have very firm boundarieswhere I don't work on Fridays, I
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don't have meetings on Mondays.
I just say no all the time, youknow, to a lot of things so I
can fit stuff in and I don't.
I've always had healthyboundaries with social media,
but I give myself grace forgoing in.
I have to individually go andblock all these people Because
if not, they'll come back.
If not, they'll send me a DM.
And I live to individually goand block all these people
Because if not, they'll comeback.
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If not, they'll send me a DMand I live a blocked and
unbothered life.
There's only so many messagesthat you can look at.
You know that happens.
Resistance and things like thatthat come from a lot of black
women, indigenous women.
You know that have been doingthis work for a long time.
(28:55):
It's because of what you said.
They knew civil rights movementwas going to take a very long
time.
They knew jim crow was going totake a very, very long, long
time.
They knew you know.
So they had to be able to givethemselves grace along the way
to be able to disconnect.
Now it's important to notethere's privilege and rest.
Liliana (29:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Cadet (29:20):
Privilege.
My world in general is prettyfucked because people know me
and that takes, so I can be, Ican be at.
This has happened at my littlegetaway massage spot.
It's at this fancy hotel.
It's 10 minutes from here.
I love it.
Get a massage, hang out, spa,have a wonderful time and I'll
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leave.
Oh my god, drk you're nowundoing what I just did, but but
I'm a kind person, I alwaystalk to people and it's great.
But even in those moments ofrest, um, sometimes they're not
given to me, and so rest is menot going outside, because my
(30:03):
home is the safest, mostsupportive space, you know, for
me but, my work tonight.
Maria (30:09):
Yeah, we've had that conversation ourselves being
disabled professionals in theworld.
It's, like you know, sometimeslike my rest is just not leaving
the house for several days at atime and doing what I can
inside my, inside, my safety net.
Dr. Cadet (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I think let's
talk about that though, becausethat part of our
intersectionality, too, makesrest harder.
So, um, I have, let's see, endof last year I was casually on
suicide watch.
(30:46):
Um, it was very fun with my,with my um therapist, um, and a
lot of it is.
I just don't like the holidays,because it's a whole other
story, but I, you know, I missmy dog and stuff, but I, um,
every day I'm like it's todaythe day that my healthcare is
going to go up.
Right every day I'm like.
(31:07):
It's today the day that myhealthcare is going to go up
right.
It's today, the day that I'mnot going to be able to get the
injection that I take for therest of my life so my spine
doesn't fuse together.
It's today, the day that, youknow, my stress level is going
to be so high that I'll actuallyhave a heart attack.
You know, I know I'm flaringmore already just because of the
(31:29):
nature of my work and what wesee and hear and what we're
doing, and so that makes restnot a nice to have thing.
It is a life or death thing.
It definitely is for me, youknow.
So we have to really be mindfulof that when we see what's
happening in this currentadministration and what they
want to do, not only to healthcare and delivery, but to the
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research that's also needed, tothe services that's also needed
so that we can maintain health.
Like last year, a lot of peopledon't realize this the federal
government allocated researchdollars to women's health for
the first time.
For the first time, for thefirst time.
(32:15):
People don't even they don'tget it Health and research
dollars for women's health.
Maria (32:22):
we're talking periods, pregnancies, menopause, how
certain conditions affectwomen's bodies over men's bodies
I mean, it was just last yearthat we heard about the pads and
tampons having toxic materialsin them.
That was not even considered tobe worthy of looking at until
(32:45):
last year, but was it 2020 or2021?
Dr. Cadet (32:50):
We no longer taxed on those products for people who
use those types of products.
Meanwhile, men and they'retalking Viagra it's always been
part of your healthcare spendingaccount, your flexible spending
account.
I mean it's so many of thosethings.
So, again, the privilege torest is crucial for people who,
(33:11):
you know, have chronic illness,chronic pain, disability, but
again, there's still privilegein it, right?
Because when you go back intothe intersectionality, back into
the intersectionality, y'allhave to deal with people who are
going through this stuff, oryou're educating people who are
going through this stuff, orboth, while you are also going
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through this stuff, right?
And so the layers in which ittakes for you to get to that
point of rest I mean I can watch90 Day Fiance and be like wow,
white people, really just whitesupremacy it's right there, you
know what I mean and that's myrest Right, but I'll still
analyze.
Oh, there's a whole bunch ofableism showing up.
You know that's still in myrest.
Maria (33:56):
I will not rest until I marry up.
Dr. Cadet (33:58):
I'll marry up or I become a millionaire again.
Maria (34:03):
And defining that rest isn't a cure, right, because
that's the other thing is likewell, if you just rest, then
you'll be better.
And it's like no.
Rest doesn't cure things.
It helps me recharge so mybattery continues to go, but
like no, taking a nap in themiddle of the day is not going
to just magically make my bodyfunction the way you think it's
supposed to and I mean go towork in order to pay my medical
(34:27):
bills, which this amount ofstress is creating.
Liliana (34:30):
More medical issues, then like is this loop?
Dr. Cadet (34:35):
the loop, my copay.
I have a platinum ppo.
It went up, you know, it's beenin the thousands but it's more
thousands now.
And I have a platinum pPObecause I have multiple,
multiple comorbidities and fiveof them are rare.
And I got, you know, my regularkeep me alive drugs.
I take two keep me alive drugsevery day and it used to be like
(35:01):
$3 and some nonsense for two ofthem.
Now it's $14.
And for someone that's likewell, it's $14.
I'm like no, no, I haveexpenses that I have to pay for.
Like my massages aren't coveredand I need massages for my
Ehlers-Danlos syndrome body, myEDS body, and so it's taking
(35:22):
away from that.
All of that adds up.
Right, it adds up.
There's a time where I likehave too much medication.
I just get it anyway.
I'm like three bucks.
But now it's like do I have it?
Do I have enough?
Maria (35:33):
because maybe I'll skip it this time that's over 400
markup like because it's a smalldollar amount does not mean
that that markup does not make asignificant difference.
Dr. Cadet (35:44):
It's generic, you know, it's not, you know the,
you know.
So it's a lot of that stuff is.
It's incredibly frustrating.
But the thing that comes alongwith rest, which I think is
easier to do, is to find pocketsof joy, because you can find
them throughout the day.
They could be two seconds,seven hours, whatever right,
(36:05):
just finding these pockets ofjoy, because Donald can't take
your joy.
You know he can piss you offfor sure, but he cannot take
your joy.
And so that was the other thingthat I had to do.
It's like, okay, I'm going tofind Billy, that is what I'm
going to do.
That is what I'm going to do.
And so I mentioned I mentionedearlier I'm having a party
(36:34):
tonight and, um, I almost kindof want to read the email to you
of what I said out.
But, um, in short, I said youcan come to this bar restaurant.
I'm in this private space, thatmy friend owns the space and he
told me years ago, it's like,do something here for the book
I'm going to give you the spaceand it's AAPI on space.
It'll be decorated like forlunar year.
I'm so excited and it's really,really cool.
(36:55):
But I said come if you wantbetween five 30 and seven 30.
I'm not paying for shit.
So if you want to come and justsay hi, that's fine.
If you want to have a drink orget some food, that's also fine
too.
I am not picking up anyone'stab.
Your sole purpose is to comeand celebrate me.
(37:16):
And if you cannot make it,because life just totally fine.
Send me a message ofencouragement so I can make it
through this year.
Right, I don't want to find asponsor.
I don't want to find a sponsor.
I didn't want to have a display.
I didn't want to have a tableset.
I didn't want to do anything.
I didn't want to lose any of mymoney because I've been taking
care of so many people and Ineed things to be about me.
(37:40):
I need people to pour into meand my joy.
And if that rubs in the wrongway, guess what?
You are not my person, andthat's fine.
That's absolutely fine.
I'm a Virgo, I'm going to takenotes and they're not going to
get any more stuff from me.
You know, you know movingforward.
But that was really really hardfor me to do because I am a
(38:01):
caretaker and I had to, like youknow, work with my therapist to
do that because naturally, Iwould feel like I'm less than
because I'm not creating anexperience for folks.
But the experience is me.
A year ago I, you know, I triedto end my life right before this
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book came out because publisherwasn't going to support me.
I was going to be on my own.
I had to spend a whole bunch ofmoney for my book tour.
That could have been money forme and my health and what I
needed.
But everyone tells you, like youknow, a book is is what you
should invest in.
And you know I did it.
And, um, the return oninvestment is always there
because I wrote it.
I'm proud of me.
Um, the return on investment isthere when folks like you, say
(38:54):
they love the book and theyshare the book.
It's there.
But I also need money too, youknow, because being disabled is
expensive, being an entrepreneuris expensive, you know, and I
was just like, maybe it's justnot worth it.
So the simple fact that I wentto bed at 4 am because my
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stomach was not trying to bekind, and I woke up and two
people I really care about sentme a happy anniversary thing and
I was like, ah, they're makinganother year, um, and my best
friend asked me three things toshare, like three positive
(39:36):
things today, and I was like one, I'm still here.
And two, this party is about metonight and I don't have to do
anything.
Maria (39:45):
And then three no, seriously, I'm still here,
because I wasn't, and then Ibawled.
So I was like that's why I waslate.
Dr. Cadet (39:57):
I had to start crying and how to get myself together.
Because I made it, you didtogether.
Because I made it, you did, youknow, and I have major
depressive disorder for thelisteners.
So being in chronic pain andhaving major depressive disorder
is a vicious cycle.
I wish on Donald and JamesVance you know I do wish it on
them.
(40:17):
So it means a lot to be hereand now I have to sit in this
place of what will happen to mybook this year.
And if my book doesn't get towhere books go this year, am I
going to have to deal with somehard feelings or difficult
feelings?
Right?
And so that's what me and mytherapist gets to do later today
(40:37):
.
Maria (40:41):
No, I, I I'm so appreciative of of you sharing
your story, because I, yourstory because we don't always
think right are products ofhumans, humans with feelings and
humans who gave up and paiddearly to put that thing out
(41:10):
into the world, and I think itjust speaks to the disconnect of
humanity that we have seen suchan increase and I fear that we
are just going to continue tosee such an increase of with
project 2025, with, you know,the current administration and
just I mean, there's always beena disconnect for a lot of the
(41:32):
intersectionalities, um, thatyou, we talked about today, but
that has been one that justcontinues to rise.
That you know, people feelreally emboldened behind the
screen to just be awful, awfulpeople.
Dr. Cadet (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, they really are.
But it's really important tolet folks know if you are in a
press group, you are disabled,you're BIPOC, black, indigenous
Person of Color, a woman, pretty, lgbt plus community like a
press group.
You really really have to becareful, because when you have
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someone like Donald in office,who supports the very
individuals who have beenwaiting, waiting to go back to
Jim Crow era, people should beconcerned for their physical
safety.
You know, microaggressions willincrease um and that's what we
call covert, whatever the thingis racism, homophobia, ableism,
(42:34):
whatever um.
But we are going to have likemore like over, like in your
face, direct, like we are comingfor you.
We are going to harm youbecause Donald said we could,
yeah.
Liliana (42:51):
So we're going back to the era of giving permission so
that you can be vocally racistand make threats, and totally
okay because you're a white manor a white woman, right.
Dr. Cadet (43:02):
but physically, we have to physically right.
So what we saw right afterdonald was elected, we saw more
more karens right being in yourface again and that hadn't
happened for a while.
I mean, it always happens, butit wasn't like oh, there's these
things happening again and andpeople are losing their jobs.
(43:24):
You know again.
You know, depending on thebrand or company, that they work
for right, and so I think wehave to really talk about what
are you going to do for yoursupport system?
What are you going to do forsafety?
This is not a like we made itthrough the first time thing.
This is a regime.
(43:44):
This is an olig thing.
This is a regime.
This is an oligarchy.
This is also how capitalismworks.
But we are not safe, right,we're not safe.
Like, impeachment articles arestarting again.
You know to go through thatprocess maybe third time's a
charm, but there's still thissystem and structure that's in
(44:06):
place of these architects ofProject 2025.
Individuals who are whitesupremacists.
When you have the leader of theProud Boys released and other
of the January 6thinsurrectionists released, and
you have a white Capitol Policeofficer say I am in fear of my
(44:26):
life, that's incrediblyproblematic, right?
So I always say pay attentionbecause you really really have
to pay attention.
Because you really really haveto pay attention.
I called what's happening inGaza genocide in my book on
(44:52):
October 31st 2023.
Yeah, 2023.
Because I knew it was going tohappen.
So it's not a surprise to methat the besties benjamin and
(45:19):
donald are are doing ethniccleansing right now.
It's not a surprise to me whenI said last year, like what
happens there in gaza can happenhere.
So you know, it's like anunprecedented, unprecedented,
unprecedented time.
I don't know, I don't know howmany unprecedented times we are
in, but you know it's definitely.
(45:44):
It's definitely that.
And so you know, going back tohow we started, the reason why I
wrote this book is so peoplewho look and live like us and
our intersectionality can feelvalidated, seen and heard.
Those oppressed groups right,they could know that I made it
through so much stuff so wecould keep moving forward.
And then it's for the whitefolks who were performative and
(46:05):
there were allies right aroundthe murder of George Floyd and
to move past allyship and becomean accomplice.
Accomplice is exactly what itsounds like.
You are willing to take therisk of robbing the bank and
hopping in the car and movingand risking it all you know, for
someone who doesn't have thesame power and privilege as you,
and so I, you know.
So I hope people use this bookto help them make it through
(46:29):
this time.
Oh, my goodness, sorry, justthe nose alone.
Maria (46:36):
We've had a special guest .
Chucho has joined the chat.
Dr. Cadet (46:40):
Chucho is ridiculously cute.
You don't even.
Oh, I love dogs.
And now all this.
Like my blood pressure has gonedown just like that.
Maria (46:52):
Magical creatures.
And I think, you know, dr Cade,I think I mean I could talk to
you for hours about thisaccomplished, you know, ship
that you've offered out BecauseI think it's so important and I
think it's going to be even moreimportant.
I mean it's only been two and ahalf weeks.
You know we've got a long, longroad.
Dr. Cadet (47:13):
It's only been two and a half weeks.
Maria (47:15):
It's only been a two and a half weeks.
It's been the longest, you know, two and a half weeks of my
little life, but I think too,having you come back to talk
about and and to be reallydirect, I think the one thing I
really, one of the things Ireally appreciate about you is
this this is no nonsense, thisis, this is how it is, this you
just share it and you don't tryto sugarcoat it, you don't try
(47:38):
to downplay any of it, and Ithink that, and then an you know
, an important conversation forwhites to listen to is the you
know, don't be an ally, be anaccomplice.
And here is what that means andhere is how you do that so yeah
100 thank you.
Liliana (47:59):
Thank you for being here.
Please celebrate big um for allof you who are listening.
Please send kind words.
Listen, you know what's a goodthing that you're looking
forward to.
Let's post more of that stuff,my gosh the drops of joy.
Maria (48:14):
Yes, yeah.
Liliana (48:17):
And go buy this book.
Dr. Cadet (48:20):
I think it's a good book to buy, or the audio book.
If you like this voice, theaudio book is me Enjoy the audio
book Quite a bit the audio bookand then we went and bought the
book.
It's also great too.
It makes a wonderful gift andit is Black History Month, so
anyone who has any white guilt,this is a wonderful gift as well
(48:40):
.
So tap into that.
But also reviews Reviews arehelpful too.
You know.
You can copy and paste thatreview from goodreads to amazon
to walmart, to wherever you buythe books, because my book is
available wherever books aresold and that signals to um
society.
It signals to the publisherthat people are talking about
this book.
They want to see more of thisbook.
Liliana (49:02):
Let's all, collectively , do that.
Thank you again for your time,for your wisdom.
You want to use this platform.
You're more than welcome.
Dr. Cadet (49:12):
Oh well, whenever you want me, just you know, find me
, I'll be here.
Maria (49:16):
I will definitely have you back, but, yes, happy one
year celebration I hope that youare just flooded with drops of
joy today.
Dr. Cadet (49:28):
I hope so too, but my outfit's cute.
Liliana (49:29):
That I do know.
It's all that matters.
We hope to get pictures later,so take care of you and thank
you, listeners, and go get thatbook.
Dr. Cadet (49:37):
Thank you.
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