September 11, 2025 • 19 mins
The secret evolution of therapists that nobody talks about in graduate school - from survival mode to seasoned professional, Maria and Liliana crack open the unspoken developmental journey that shapes our careers and lives as mental health professionals.
Remember that idealistic student who entered the field ready to change lives? Then reality hit - staggering student debt met with jobs (not careers) where you felt easily replaceable rather than valued. This episode compassionately maps the typical progression: freshly-licensed clinician in survival mode, licensed professional accumulating certifications, supervisor carrying tremendous liability, and eventually perhaps trainer or presenter sharing knowledge with others.
What makes this conversation truly revolutionary is the permission slip Maria and Liliana extend to every listener. You're allowed to change specialties. You're allowed to question your path. You're allowed to integrate your values, your understanding of social justice, and your life experiences into your professional identity. The days of therapists as "blank slates" are long gone - we recognize now that political, economic and social realities exist in the therapy room whether acknowledged or not.
Take a moment to appreciate how far you've come, assess whether your current position aligns with your values, and consider what might be next on your journey. Whether you're just starting out or decades into practice, remember that your professional evolution belongs to you - not to expectations, traditions, or economic necessities. Your next chapter awaits whenever you're ready to turn the page.
A Hero's Welcome Podcast © Maria Laquerre-Diego & Liliana Baylon
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Maria (00:02):
welcome back listeners.
We've got a special littleepisode for you this morning.
It's just me and my bestieLiliana that's me.
Liliana (00:11):
Chucho is sleeping because lately he wants to be a
part of everything for everyonewho's listening out here.
Maria (00:18):
Yeah, he just wants to be a part of it.
Liliana (00:20):
He wants to be a part of it by the way, no one can see
it, but I just realized whatI'm wearing.
Yes, we're going to go withthat.
Maria (00:29):
Liliana's got a great t-shirt.
It says local legend Liliana.
Anyone who's met you woulddefinitely agree, definitely
agree.
So, liliana, you and I werechatting, yes, and then we
decided, ooh, we need to hitrecord.
Yes, we need to hit record.
Liliana (00:51):
Something's.
I were chatting, yes, and thenwe decided, oh, we need to hit
record.
Yes, we need to hit record.
Something's been coming up insupervision and consultation for
both of us recently.
Yes, so part of theconversations that we've been
having when we talk inconsultation or supervision with
therapists is the evolution oftherapists, right?
So we're finding out the waythat you and I talk about after,
because we're work wives,that's what it is.
So when we're like texting orcalling each other, we're like
(01:11):
have you noticed these patterns?
And so let's name it.
What do we mean by theevolution of therapists?
Maria (01:20):
Yeah, so I think there's we were talking about it in this
kind of developmentallyappropriate right, new, brand
new clinicians getting out ofschool trying to find one,
trying to survive.
Right, when you get out ofschool and you get your prelim,
(01:44):
your initial license, it isfinding a job and learning to
survive in this field and inthis world.
It's not an easy thing andwe've also noticed that,
depending on the setup, rightout of school makes a big
difference.
If you're in a psychiatrichospital setting or a large
organization where you'reworking 40 hours plus on call,
that's a different life thanthose that find small group
practices or smaller clinicsthat do more of a harmonious
(02:08):
balance between life and work.
Yes, right, so we get brand newclinicians out into the field
trying to survive, but then alsobeing hit with real life
experiences that we don't.
I mean we can't plan foreverything or get exposed to
everything during our schooling.
That we don't.
I mean we can't plan foreverything or get exposed to
everything during our schoolingand, depending on your program,
you get more or less of that,yeah, and so we get new
(02:32):
clinicians who might have thebook knowledge but not the
experience yet, and it can feelvery overwhelming for them to
start in the field Once theykind of get their footing,
liliana, what do we see?
Liliana (02:45):
next?
Well, first of all, let's namethat.
When we go to our field, whenwe go to school, I love when you
told me, like I went to schoolto choose a career and I was
like, oh, I remember, and wewalk out with jobs.
That's so disappointing.
It was so disappointing.
Maria (03:03):
Yes, yes, if you haven't heard my previous talk, I will
not call it a rant.
My previous talk on thatdedicate my life and learning to
, and then found myself in jobswhere I was easily replaced,
(03:29):
poorly managed, poorly supported, poorly funded, and it felt
like we were in jobs instead ofcareers.
And you know the differencebetween those two things is like
am I replaceable versus am I avalued member of this
professional community?
Liliana (03:48):
And how much in debt I got to have this career.
That ended up being a job.
Then I have to go to work topay off, which that's another
whole topic.
But yeah, part of theconversation that we were having
as we were talking about theevolution of therapists is that
we finish our school.
Of course we do internship.
(04:09):
We finish our school and thenwe go and start working towards
acquiring hours to get ourlicensure.
So during that time we have toprove ourselves.
So, master's degree workingtowards licensure, then you're
like as soon as I get my license, I will feel liberated, I will
have the ah, I know everything.
(04:31):
Maria is laughing.
Maria (04:33):
Yes, you get blessed from the knowledge, gods.
Liliana (04:37):
And that didn't happen.
And then you start thinkinglike so what's next?
Because our field is not kindand it tells us that we have to
keep doing always everythingright.
So then we start thinking aboutall these magical models, all
these different paths that wecan take certifications,
(04:59):
credentials and we start takingon so many of them, which it is
helpful, but it is insane, notonly the amount of time that you
have to give to do that, theamount of money that you have to
pay off to do that, which itdoesn't increase your pay either
.
There's something so weird here.
(05:19):
But okay, let's just go with me.
So, master's degree,pre-licensure, licensure, you
get an hunting, you get all thisknowledge and then you start
going all these different pathslike an octopus, like just
trying to figure things out, andthen at some point you're like
the next step is becoming asupervisor, because why not?
You have so much training inbecoming a leader.
Maria (05:43):
Well, sometimes it's out of necessity, right.
Sometimes you are, you know,and if you've attended our
supervision talks or trainings,right.
I've been very vocal about myexperience as a supervisor.
I was last therapist standing,so I got the job.
I didn't ask for it.
It was handed to me with noadditional training or support
or knowledge, not much moremoney and not a true
(06:06):
understanding of my licensurebeing on the line.
That's what supervision isright.
Yeah, the liability that wetake?
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
So you know, let's be honest,this evolution is necessary for
many of us.
Yes, providing on one-to-oneclient-based services and having
(06:27):
our income based on that isvery risky.
It's very unsafe and it doesn't, and when we feel unsafe, we
can't do our best work, like.
We know this as clinicians,right, and so we do start
looking, then, for other ways ofincome, other means of income,
other ways to support ourselvesso we can continue to do the
(06:49):
one-to-one services that we wantto do.
Liliana (06:50):
Yeah.
Maria (06:51):
And the next baby step seems to be become a supervisor
Mm-hmm.
Liliana (06:56):
And what Maria and I have discussed, and if you have
gone to our trainings, is thatthere's no proper training in
becoming a supervisor, which isleadership.
They give you training inregards to the model, but not
the liability.
Even when you tell me aboutethics, which, if you have taken
any of our trainings, we havesaid well, what kind of ethics
(07:18):
are you taking?
Because there's not even anunderstanding of that.
So, again, just to keep namingit and keep building, if you're
keeping track, you go from beinga student to getting your
master's, to being pre-licensure, to getting licensure to study
whatever models they're tellingyou to take, and then
(07:40):
supervision or vice versa,whatever comes first, and then
you move to presenting.
You start becoming a presenteror a trainer, right like an ad
evolution absolutely and not foreverybody, not for everybody,
not everybody who enjoysteaching.
Maria (07:58):
Um, well, this is our podcast, so we can be honest.
Not everybody should beteaching and we do find, you
know, we've seen, especiallyrecently, there's been a couple
of individuals that we've seenin consultation that we're
supporting and taking that nextstep into becoming a presenter,
(08:19):
into sharing their knowledge,becoming a source for the field
and our profession, and it'snecessary, like we're going to
need new information and newpresenters because that's that
next generation, right, we needto hear from them.
They have great ideas, theyhave great innovations and it
(08:43):
helps move those older thinkingmodels out of the way, right.
Liliana (08:52):
Which we're not saying.
The older thinking models arewrong, but there's adaptations
that we need to do because we'renot living in the same
environments.
That when those came up, theywere needed, yeah Right.
Also, there's no new model inpsychotherapy.
(09:12):
So you know, for all of you outthere, like this is the
evidence based, like stop it.
There's so many things here andthis is a new model, stop it.
Or like you are copying fromthis model, stop it, yeah.
Maria (09:30):
Well, I think it's something that you and I have
talked about, but I heard fromLisa Dion years and years and
years ago that stuck with me wasthat there's no new information
.
There is new ways to use thatinformation.
Yes, right, and that is thatadaptation part, that the
information from our foundingtheories is valid.
(09:52):
Yes, and we need to questionits validity now, right, and we
need to make adaptations to that, those models, to fit the world
that we live in and the peoplethat we serve.
Now, there you go.
Liliana (10:06):
So look at that Not only we're talking about the
evolution that happens or itneeds to happen in our field,
but also the individuals, theevolution of how we push our
field to continue doing what weneed to do.
So part of the conversationwith our consultees and
supervisors is you don't have toRight, you don't have to do
(10:28):
anything that doesn't call youwhen they come and say, like I
want to be a supervisor, it'slike that sounds amazing.
Yeah, it will be great.
And let's sit down and talkabout the liability, the
responsibility, and why are youbeing called to do this?
Not because you have to justifyit to me, but is it clear to
you?
Maria (10:48):
yeah, well, I think it's.
It's twofold right.
We want to make sure peopleknow that there's an option
outside of one-to-one services.
Once you have got that down andyou are grounded in theory and
practice, um, then other doorscan open for you.
If you're interested, if youare in love with doing
one-to-one and that's servingyou right now, continue to do
(11:08):
that.
Yes, and it's okay if you feellike, ooh, I'd like to do
something a little different.
Yes, liliana and I are makingand finding others that are
holding space, for how can we dothis differently?
How can we do this better?
And a lot of that comes fromnew people wanting to share what
(11:29):
works for them.
Liliana (11:31):
Yes.
So even in that evolution, notonly for our field that we tend
to refuse and we will talk aboutit in another podcast but also
the evolution of therapists inregards to our growth and the
possibilities that we can do,and in that also can we name
that it's okay for you to changespecialties.
Maria (11:53):
Yes, yes.
I think we not only need toname that, I think we need to
celebrate that.
I think so many of us right,especially when we're new and
we're scared let's be reallyhonest, it's scary.
As a new clinician, we findsomething that fits and we hold
on to that.
Liliana (12:10):
Yes.
Maria (12:11):
And we grow as clinicians with experience with the world
that we're living in, withsupport and consultation and
supervision, and perhaps throughyou know you talked about the
octopus, like all the differentcredentialing options that are
out there for you models tofollow you're going to change as
(12:31):
a person.
You're going to go through lifeas a human and that might
change your specialty, how yousee change, how you see people.
What fits for you in thatmoment?
We should be allowed, and whatLiliana and I want to do is give
permission if you need it.
You don't need it from us, butwe're going to give it to you
anyway.
(12:51):
You can change your path at anypoint.
We believe that for our clients, because that's what we do so
as supervisors and asconsultants.
We believe that for our fieldand our providers as well.
Right, you can at any timepause and go.
Oh, I don't know that this fitsfor me anymore and I would like
(13:13):
to do something different, sojust take that in, you're
allowed to make a differentchoice at any time.
Liliana (13:26):
I wish all of you can see Maria's faces as she's
naming and celebrating all thatfor you, right?
Either because you're agingHello, my niece does not respond
, the same, I cannot keepchasing kiddos or because of
medical trauma yeah, no, it'snot sexy when you have to be
(13:48):
running with the oxygen.
Maria (13:52):
Right and the world that we're living in, right, right
and the world that we're livingin, right, our values now are so
in the room with us.
Right, liliana and I havetalked that.
You know we age ourselves.
When we went to school, right,like I, my, I have ingrained in
my brain a moment where mysupervisor told me right before
a session Maria, outside of thatroom does not exist.
(14:14):
You are a blank slate.
You're going to right and we'vecome so far, so far from that,
so much so that what's happeningpolitically, social justice,
wise, economically even, isshowing up in our room and
that's going to give you pauseand perhaps you're going to need
to do something different foryourself and for your clients.
(14:35):
Right, we've, I know, forourselves and my own, you know,
my own group, we have made ourvalues very clear, um, and we
stand behind them.
Now, where I love you, drBarbara Frankel, and I know that
if you knew that that stuff wasup and grounding values, I know
(14:56):
you would support it and youwould also tell me it doesn't
need to be in a therapy room, itdoes, it's already here.
Liliana (15:03):
Yeah.
So for all of you, part of theevolution of you as a therapist
is, you know, taking in andintegrating not only what you
are learning in regards tomodels, but what you're learning
in regards to neurobiology,what you're learning in regards
to social justice, what you'relearning about your own
(15:24):
evolution as a person, yourvalues.
How is that changing, yourpriorities, how is that changing
?
And then make an informeddecision of what's going to work
for you, not because what isrequired of you, but because
what's going to work for you.
Maria (15:41):
You, as an individual, spend a lot of time and money,
as we mentioned earlier, for youto do what is needed for the
career that you chose, not forthe job that is being dictated
to you that you chose, not forthe job that is being dictated
to you, yeah, so yeah, we talkedabout the evolution of a
therapist and it's multifaceted,as most things are, because we
(16:03):
deal with messy human lives,right.
So, wherever you aredevelopmentally in your career,
one take stock and, like, lookback at where you came from and
where you are now and appreciatethe work that you've done,
because we don't get enough ofthat.
Take a moment to pause to makesure that where you're at is
where you want to be, and thenperhaps look at what might be
(16:26):
next for you.
Maybe it is supervision, maybeit is a credential, maybe it is
becoming a trainer and know thatthere are those in the field
who would love to support you inachieving those goals.
And if you don't, if this istoo much, save this episode and
come back to it when you areready to take that leap and look
(16:48):
at what might be next for you.
Liliana (16:49):
I love that.
I actually do love that.
Yeah, I don't want to addanything.
I was like, yes, yeah.
When I had anything, I was likeyes, yeah.
Maria (16:58):
Give yourself permission, right?
Yes, absolutely Just givingyourself permission.
This episode is a kick in thepants and a hug all at the same
time.
Liliana (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, these two mama bears are just like giving
you information you get todecide what works for you.
Mama bears are just like givingyou information you get to
decide what works for you.
We're just naming what was notnamed for us, and now we're
witnessing as leaders in ourcommunity, with the
responsibility that carries and,in that responsibility,
(17:27):
deciding can we name this forothers, so that you get to
decide what's going to work foryou Not for me, not for Maria,
but for you.
Maria (17:36):
Yeah, so another welcome to the Heroes Welcome podcast,
because this is what thispodcast is for.
We want to talk about thethings that haven't been named
but are talked about in thecorners of those rooms.
And, yeah, you can take whatlands for you and leave the rest
.
Liliana (17:55):
Until next time.
Till then, Bye guys.
welcome back listeners.
We've got a special littleepisode for you this morning.
It's just me and my bestieLiliana that's me.
Liliana (00:11):
Chucho is sleeping because lately he wants to be a
part of everything for everyonewho's listening out here.
Maria (00:18):
Yeah, he just wants to be a part of it.
Liliana (00:20):
He wants to be a part of it by the way, no one can see
it, but I just realized whatI'm wearing.
Yes, we're going to go withthat.
Maria (00:29):
Liliana's got a great t-shirt.
It says local legend Liliana.
Anyone who's met you woulddefinitely agree, definitely
agree.
So, liliana, you and I werechatting, yes, and then we
decided, ooh, we need to hitrecord.
Yes, we need to hit record.
Liliana (00:51):
Something's.
I were chatting, yes, and thenwe decided, oh, we need to hit
record.
Yes, we need to hit record.
Something's been coming up insupervision and consultation for
both of us recently.
Yes, so part of theconversations that we've been
having when we talk inconsultation or supervision with
therapists is the evolution oftherapists, right?
So we're finding out the waythat you and I talk about after,
because we're work wives,that's what it is.
So when we're like texting orcalling each other, we're like
(01:11):
have you noticed these patterns?
And so let's name it.
What do we mean by theevolution of therapists?
Maria (01:20):
Yeah, so I think there's we were talking about it in this
kind of developmentallyappropriate right, new, brand
new clinicians getting out ofschool trying to find one,
trying to survive.
Right, when you get out ofschool and you get your prelim,
(01:44):
your initial license, it isfinding a job and learning to
survive in this field and inthis world.
It's not an easy thing andwe've also noticed that,
depending on the setup, rightout of school makes a big
difference.
If you're in a psychiatrichospital setting or a large
organization where you'reworking 40 hours plus on call,
that's a different life thanthose that find small group
practices or smaller clinicsthat do more of a harmonious
(02:08):
balance between life and work.
Yes, right, so we get brand newclinicians out into the field
trying to survive, but then alsobeing hit with real life
experiences that we don't.
I mean we can't plan foreverything or get exposed to
everything during our schooling.
That we don't.
I mean we can't plan foreverything or get exposed to
everything during our schoolingand, depending on your program,
you get more or less of that,yeah, and so we get new
(02:32):
clinicians who might have thebook knowledge but not the
experience yet, and it can feelvery overwhelming for them to
start in the field Once theykind of get their footing,
liliana, what do we see?
Liliana (02:45):
next?
Well, first of all, let's namethat.
When we go to our field, whenwe go to school, I love when you
told me, like I went to schoolto choose a career and I was
like, oh, I remember, and wewalk out with jobs.
That's so disappointing.
It was so disappointing.
Maria (03:03):
Yes, yes, if you haven't heard my previous talk, I will
not call it a rant.
My previous talk on thatdedicate my life and learning to
, and then found myself in jobswhere I was easily replaced,
(03:29):
poorly managed, poorly supported, poorly funded, and it felt
like we were in jobs instead ofcareers.
And you know the differencebetween those two things is like
am I replaceable versus am I avalued member of this
professional community?
Liliana (03:48):
And how much in debt I got to have this career.
That ended up being a job.
Then I have to go to work topay off, which that's another
whole topic.
But yeah, part of theconversation that we were having
as we were talking about theevolution of therapists is that
we finish our school.
Of course we do internship.
(04:09):
We finish our school and thenwe go and start working towards
acquiring hours to get ourlicensure.
So during that time we have toprove ourselves.
So, master's degree workingtowards licensure, then you're
like as soon as I get my license, I will feel liberated, I will
have the ah, I know everything.
(04:31):
Maria is laughing.
Maria (04:33):
Yes, you get blessed from the knowledge, gods.
Liliana (04:37):
And that didn't happen.
And then you start thinkinglike so what's next?
Because our field is not kindand it tells us that we have to
keep doing always everythingright.
So then we start thinking aboutall these magical models, all
these different paths that wecan take certifications,
(04:59):
credentials and we start takingon so many of them, which it is
helpful, but it is insane, notonly the amount of time that you
have to give to do that, theamount of money that you have to
pay off to do that, which itdoesn't increase your pay either
.
There's something so weird here.
(05:19):
But okay, let's just go with me.
So, master's degree,pre-licensure, licensure, you
get an hunting, you get all thisknowledge and then you start
going all these different pathslike an octopus, like just
trying to figure things out, andthen at some point you're like
the next step is becoming asupervisor, because why not?
You have so much training inbecoming a leader.
Maria (05:43):
Well, sometimes it's out of necessity, right.
Sometimes you are, you know,and if you've attended our
supervision talks or trainings,right.
I've been very vocal about myexperience as a supervisor.
I was last therapist standing,so I got the job.
I didn't ask for it.
It was handed to me with noadditional training or support
or knowledge, not much moremoney and not a true
(06:06):
understanding of my licensurebeing on the line.
That's what supervision isright.
Yeah, the liability that wetake?
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
So you know, let's be honest,this evolution is necessary for
many of us.
Yes, providing on one-to-oneclient-based services and having
(06:27):
our income based on that isvery risky.
It's very unsafe and it doesn't, and when we feel unsafe, we
can't do our best work, like.
We know this as clinicians,right, and so we do start
looking, then, for other ways ofincome, other means of income,
other ways to support ourselvesso we can continue to do the
(06:49):
one-to-one services that we wantto do.
Liliana (06:50):
Yeah.
Maria (06:51):
And the next baby step seems to be become a supervisor
Mm-hmm.
Liliana (06:56):
And what Maria and I have discussed, and if you have
gone to our trainings, is thatthere's no proper training in
becoming a supervisor, which isleadership.
They give you training inregards to the model, but not
the liability.
Even when you tell me aboutethics, which, if you have taken
any of our trainings, we havesaid well, what kind of ethics
(07:18):
are you taking?
Because there's not even anunderstanding of that.
So, again, just to keep namingit and keep building, if you're
keeping track, you go from beinga student to getting your
master's, to being pre-licensure, to getting licensure to study
whatever models they're tellingyou to take, and then
(07:40):
supervision or vice versa,whatever comes first, and then
you move to presenting.
You start becoming a presenteror a trainer, right like an ad
evolution absolutely and not foreverybody, not for everybody,
not everybody who enjoysteaching.
Maria (07:58):
Um, well, this is our podcast, so we can be honest.
Not everybody should beteaching and we do find, you
know, we've seen, especiallyrecently, there's been a couple
of individuals that we've seenin consultation that we're
supporting and taking that nextstep into becoming a presenter,
(08:19):
into sharing their knowledge,becoming a source for the field
and our profession, and it'snecessary, like we're going to
need new information and newpresenters because that's that
next generation, right, we needto hear from them.
They have great ideas, theyhave great innovations and it
(08:43):
helps move those older thinkingmodels out of the way, right.
Liliana (08:52):
Which we're not saying.
The older thinking models arewrong, but there's adaptations
that we need to do because we'renot living in the same
environments.
That when those came up, theywere needed, yeah Right.
Also, there's no new model inpsychotherapy.
(09:12):
So you know, for all of you outthere, like this is the
evidence based, like stop it.
There's so many things here andthis is a new model, stop it.
Or like you are copying fromthis model, stop it, yeah.
Maria (09:30):
Well, I think it's something that you and I have
talked about, but I heard fromLisa Dion years and years and
years ago that stuck with me wasthat there's no new information
.
There is new ways to use thatinformation.
Yes, right, and that is thatadaptation part, that the
information from our foundingtheories is valid.
(09:52):
Yes, and we need to questionits validity now, right, and we
need to make adaptations to that, those models, to fit the world
that we live in and the peoplethat we serve.
Now, there you go.
Liliana (10:06):
So look at that Not only we're talking about the
evolution that happens or itneeds to happen in our field,
but also the individuals, theevolution of how we push our
field to continue doing what weneed to do.
So part of the conversationwith our consultees and
supervisors is you don't have toRight, you don't have to do
(10:28):
anything that doesn't call youwhen they come and say, like I
want to be a supervisor, it'slike that sounds amazing.
Yeah, it will be great.
And let's sit down and talkabout the liability, the
responsibility, and why are youbeing called to do this?
Not because you have to justifyit to me, but is it clear to
you?
Maria (10:48):
yeah, well, I think it's.
It's twofold right.
We want to make sure peopleknow that there's an option
outside of one-to-one services.
Once you have got that down andyou are grounded in theory and
practice, um, then other doorscan open for you.
If you're interested, if youare in love with doing
one-to-one and that's servingyou right now, continue to do
(11:08):
that.
Yes, and it's okay if you feellike, ooh, I'd like to do
something a little different.
Yes, liliana and I are makingand finding others that are
holding space, for how can we dothis differently?
How can we do this better?
And a lot of that comes fromnew people wanting to share what
(11:29):
works for them.
Liliana (11:31):
Yes.
So even in that evolution, notonly for our field that we tend
to refuse and we will talk aboutit in another podcast but also
the evolution of therapists inregards to our growth and the
possibilities that we can do,and in that also can we name
that it's okay for you to changespecialties.
Maria (11:53):
Yes, yes.
I think we not only need toname that, I think we need to
celebrate that.
I think so many of us right,especially when we're new and
we're scared let's be reallyhonest, it's scary.
As a new clinician, we findsomething that fits and we hold
on to that.
Liliana (12:10):
Yes.
Maria (12:11):
And we grow as clinicians with experience with the world
that we're living in, withsupport and consultation and
supervision, and perhaps throughyou know you talked about the
octopus, like all the differentcredentialing options that are
out there for you models tofollow you're going to change as
(12:31):
a person.
You're going to go through lifeas a human and that might
change your specialty, how yousee change, how you see people.
What fits for you in thatmoment?
We should be allowed, and whatLiliana and I want to do is give
permission if you need it.
You don't need it from us, butwe're going to give it to you
anyway.
(12:51):
You can change your path at anypoint.
We believe that for our clients, because that's what we do so
as supervisors and asconsultants.
We believe that for our fieldand our providers as well.
Right, you can at any timepause and go.
Oh, I don't know that this fitsfor me anymore and I would like
(13:13):
to do something different, sojust take that in, you're
allowed to make a differentchoice at any time.
Liliana (13:26):
I wish all of you can see Maria's faces as she's
naming and celebrating all thatfor you, right?
Either because you're agingHello, my niece does not respond
, the same, I cannot keepchasing kiddos or because of
medical trauma yeah, no, it'snot sexy when you have to be
(13:48):
running with the oxygen.
Maria (13:52):
Right and the world that we're living in, right, right
and the world that we're livingin, right, our values now are so
in the room with us.
Right, liliana and I havetalked that.
You know we age ourselves.
When we went to school, right,like I, my, I have ingrained in
my brain a moment where mysupervisor told me right before
a session Maria, outside of thatroom does not exist.
(14:14):
You are a blank slate.
You're going to right and we'vecome so far, so far from that,
so much so that what's happeningpolitically, social justice,
wise, economically even, isshowing up in our room and
that's going to give you pauseand perhaps you're going to need
to do something different foryourself and for your clients.
(14:35):
Right, we've, I know, forourselves and my own, you know,
my own group, we have made ourvalues very clear, um, and we
stand behind them.
Now, where I love you, drBarbara Frankel, and I know that
if you knew that that stuff wasup and grounding values, I know
(14:56):
you would support it and youwould also tell me it doesn't
need to be in a therapy room, itdoes, it's already here.
Liliana (15:03):
Yeah.
So for all of you, part of theevolution of you as a therapist
is, you know, taking in andintegrating not only what you
are learning in regards tomodels, but what you're learning
in regards to neurobiology,what you're learning in regards
to social justice, what you'relearning about your own
(15:24):
evolution as a person, yourvalues.
How is that changing, yourpriorities, how is that changing
?
And then make an informeddecision of what's going to work
for you, not because what isrequired of you, but because
what's going to work for you.
Maria (15:41):
You, as an individual, spend a lot of time and money,
as we mentioned earlier, for youto do what is needed for the
career that you chose, not forthe job that is being dictated
to you that you chose, not forthe job that is being dictated
to you, yeah, so yeah, we talkedabout the evolution of a
therapist and it's multifaceted,as most things are, because we
(16:03):
deal with messy human lives,right.
So, wherever you aredevelopmentally in your career,
one take stock and, like, lookback at where you came from and
where you are now and appreciatethe work that you've done,
because we don't get enough ofthat.
Take a moment to pause to makesure that where you're at is
where you want to be, and thenperhaps look at what might be
(16:26):
next for you.
Maybe it is supervision, maybeit is a credential, maybe it is
becoming a trainer and know thatthere are those in the field
who would love to support you inachieving those goals.
And if you don't, if this istoo much, save this episode and
come back to it when you areready to take that leap and look
(16:48):
at what might be next for you.
Liliana (16:49):
I love that.
I actually do love that.
Yeah, I don't want to addanything.
I was like, yes, yeah.
When I had anything, I was likeyes, yeah.
Maria (16:58):
Give yourself permission, right?
Yes, absolutely Just givingyourself permission.
This episode is a kick in thepants and a hug all at the same
time.
Liliana (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, these two mama bears are just like giving
you information you get todecide what works for you.
Mama bears are just like givingyou information you get to
decide what works for you.
We're just naming what was notnamed for us, and now we're
witnessing as leaders in ourcommunity, with the
responsibility that carries and,in that responsibility,
(17:27):
deciding can we name this forothers, so that you get to
decide what's going to work foryou Not for me, not for Maria,
but for you.
Maria (17:36):
Yeah, so another welcome to the Heroes Welcome podcast,
because this is what thispodcast is for.
We want to talk about thethings that haven't been named
but are talked about in thecorners of those rooms.
And, yeah, you can take whatlands for you and leave the rest
.
Liliana (17:55):
Until next time.
Till then, Bye guys.
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.