December 9, 2024 • 24 mins
Have you ever wondered how ethics and supervision could be transformed into a magical adventure? Join us as we welcome Melissa Wintersheid and NanDee Walker, two creative powerhouses ready to redefine professional development against the enchanting backdrop of Disney parks. With their innovative approach, Melissa and NanDee promise to turn what was once dry and mundane into a lively, immersive experience at their Disney-themed conference. Hurry, as spots are limited, but be a part of this extraordinary journey that combines the rigors of ethics with the whimsy of your favorite childhood memories.
Explore the galaxy of ethical supervision through the exciting narratives of Star Wars and the Avengers. Alongside our expert guests, we unravel how the challenges faced by beloved characters like the Jedi or Captain America mirror real-world dilemmas encountered by therapists. We aim to empower therapists with fresh perspectives and confidence in navigating ethical quandaries by weaving these iconic stories into our discussions. Tune in for an enlightening session that blends pop culture with professional growth, promising an entertaining learning adventure.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
welcome listeners to a very special episode of a
hero's welcome podcast.
I am your co-host, maria laquerdiego, and I'm joined by my
ever glowing co-host that wouldbe me the glowing part.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is lilliana valen, and this is a special
episode which we are here topromote.
I was going to say Disney,disney does not need promotion.
There is a retreat that Mariatends to do since last year.
Right, what was her first one?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Second year, so we have two special guests.
How would you like to introduceyourselves, ladies, to our
audience?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
How would you like to introduce yourselves, ladies,
to our audience?
I'm Melissa Winterscheid.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I am a LPCS and an RPTS.
My name is Mandy Walker.
I am an LPCS, an NCC and an RPT.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Look at us with all our initials.
Can you tell us the name?
What is it that you're going tobe presenting?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We're going to be presenting supervision and
ethics in different sessionsduring this conference, which
we're very excited about.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But here's the catch All of our sessions are in the
park, we are using the rides, weare using the stories of the
different parts of Disney andStar Wars and all the things,
and bringing them together to dothe two things that most people
dislike about CEs, which isethics and supervision.
(01:47):
So we're making ethics andsupervision fun.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What better way to earn some CEs than standing in
line for a ride at Disneyland?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's like talking about ethics, whoever's trying
to cut in line for supervision,when you're like calm down,
let's breathe in, let's do it.
It's happening for you in thismoment, or supervision, when
you're like calm down, let'sbreathe in, let's do it.
It's happening for you in thismoment.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I love this we're going to prove that both topics
don't need to be scary, don'tneed to be hard and don't need
to be boring and forced upon you.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There you go.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I love it, I love it, I love it.
Yeah, so, melissa was actuallyan attendee this year for our
first ever play therapy Disneybound conference, and yeah so,
melissa, tell me a little bitabout what made you reach out in
terms of offering to be a partof the speaker lineup this year
and bringing Nandi along withyou.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So I tend to not go anywhere without Nandi.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So this March was an anomaly then?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes, it was we're a pretty dynamic duo.
Dynamic duo, um, and the otherpart was I had this idea of
doing something in the parks, um, and wanting to take it and
making the in-park days reallyimmersive with with the learning
(03:18):
part, and I was very excitedabout that.
I think when we we had ourfirst day in March and we had
the activity that we had to doin the parks, I was like, oh my
gosh, we could do so many thingsin this park and like, and then
I was, it was like game on andI really like, I really love
(03:39):
teaching.
So for me and we are veryethics and supervision focused,
so it was just kind of a nobrainer.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I love that.
So what is one thing thatanyone who attends and, by the
way, there's limited spaceanyone who's listening hopefully
you'll go and grab that seatright away, but what is one
thing that you can share to ourlisteners, that they're going to
?
It will be one takeaway fromthat.
They're going to learn, I'msorry, about supervision, and
one thing that they can learnabout ethics besides that they
(04:14):
don't have to be scary and fun.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Those are the two biggest points already.
The biggest one, Something thatI I'm confident that people are
going to take away fromdiscussing supervision in this
is that creativity is a vitalpart of good supervision and
continued supervision, which wetend to call consultation, but
(04:40):
that it's an important thing,but that we can keep it creative
.
It doesn't have to be stagnant,and the simple fact that we're
in a creative environment willlead itself to everybody opening
up their minds and going thesky's the limit.
We can do what we need to andwhat we want to and what we can
imagine as far as supervisionand continuing consultation is
(05:01):
concerned.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Love it.
The sky is the limit.
That's a beautiful image thatwe can all take right away.
Love that.
You got ethics.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Ethics.
So I think that viewing ethicsthrough a Disney lens can be
very entertaining.
It also changes the way thatyou watch anything that Disney
produces right.
So now and one of our.
(05:33):
So I'm going to admit I am nota and I was born a Trekkie.
So, um, we decided to do a StarWars ethics and a Disney ethics
, um, so people could have theirchoice.
And, uh, when we were so, I hadto go back and start watching
(05:55):
Star Wars, um, and I think Iruined it for my husband.
He was like, are you gonna, aswe do, all the characters
because I love them?
And I was like, I mean, it'skind of what I'm doing right now
.
So, um, I think that justgiving um people a different
lens to, as a way to look atthings, um, and even when it
(06:16):
comes to something like ethics,like it doesn't have to be this,
you know, it's just not.
Don't sleep with your clientsand what's the other one?
Don't, don't talk.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Don't be Facebook friends, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Don't be Facebook friends.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Side by side.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Those are the two like right, and so it can be
other things, and there'sthere's areas that you can
discuss and look into and growwith.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
I mean I am biased because youknow it's my, it's my thing, but
I think it's.
I think it's really for me.
It's so exciting to see itlight the spark for others to
also consider, cause I mean,liliana knows this and Melissa
(07:02):
you do too, cause you attendedthis year.
I'm a super nerd, super nerd,and so when I can geek out about
stuff and other that are oftenyou know, I think about the
(07:25):
ethics and supervision trainingsI go to.
They're like read this casestudy and then decide how to
handle it.
And it's like, you know,so-and-so has found that this
client is attracted to them.
How do we handle this?
I'm like, well, this is thesame thing we've been doing.
How much more fun is it?
Okay, so Darth Vader killing aplanet to get something that was
(07:47):
stolen from him?
Let's go there.
Right, let's talk about theethics behind decision making in
this trio.
It's just so much more fun,yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's a different way to relate and to identify with
the stories that are already outthere in the world.
So we can relate and identifywith our supervisees, with the
people that we're consultingwith, with our clients
themselves, in a much broaderfashion, which just increases
our connection to them and itincreases our ability to help
(08:21):
them with their own insight, ourability to help them with their
own insight.
So the more we can relatethrough differences and
similarities at the same time,where we're different or where
we're not different, the betterwe are at what we are trying to
do.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Beautiful.
I was gonna say, like, whattraining self ethics you guys
are going that you're talkingabout sleeping with your clients
?
We work with children, people.
Stop this, um, and and howbeautiful it is.
Right, um, I was like now we'retalking about the law, not
ethics.
But, okay, it's my mind, um,but how beautiful it is that, um
(08:59):
, what you two are suggesting inregards to, even when we use
this example, a start wordswhich is oh, can I put myself in
their shoes and realize thatethics is not black and white?
The cases that we work in is socomplicated there's no right way
.
But ethics is inviting us tothink about math in regards to
(09:19):
problem solving.
How will we get there?
What were the steps to getthere?
Did we empathize that?
We went beyond that curiosityand wonder right, um, how do we
make that decision?
So I think it's beautifulbecause, yeah, in the example
that you were sharing, maria, Iwas like yeah, can you?
Did you steal something thatwas stolen from you or was that
(09:41):
an eye for an eye?
Was that like we're even?
Did this cancel, like in math?
But our profession is not thatsimple.
It's not black and white, notwhen we're talking about ethics
and not when we're talking aboutsupervision, right, the things
that our supervisors are dealingwith are more complicated than
(10:01):
ever, because now we have we areglobal, we have access to good
information, bad information, um, you know boundaries that we
need to have in supervision.
That most of our superviseesbecause it's a new cohort, a new
generation they, they don'thave the black and white
thinking that the same way thatwe were.
(10:22):
Can I say that a lot because wecome from a cohort.
So I think, no, absolutelyright that you guys are doing it
in the park and using real,like very experiential, very
experiential, um, it ishappening.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I think that is so cool I love that and I think
that I think you make a goodpoint, lilliana, because you
know I was talking.
I was doing consultation earlylast week before the holiday and
we were chatting about thesupervisor was like they just
need this immediate responsefrom me, right, like they're
texting me about something and Ifeel like I have to respond.
(10:57):
And I told, I told them.
I was like do you rememberbeing in your program or your
first job?
Did we have texting back then?
Because we didn't.
For me, like I'm, I'm old enoughto say we did not have texting
like we have texting now.
That was used for emergenciesonly and only after nine,
because I had limited texts.
Like I'm super aging myselfright now, right, but this
(11:21):
generation it expensive.
I couldn't imagine.
I never once texted mysupervisor a question, right,
like you waited untilsupervision and you use that
hour and like if you needed anextra one, you asked for an
extra one, and nowadays it'slike on Saturday, hey, I have
this question, what do I need todo about this case?
And the supervisors are like Ifeel like I'm supposed to
(11:43):
respond, they're supposed tohave immediate access to me, and
so I love that you guys havededicated yourselves to
supervision and ethics.
I think that's the two mostcommon topics people shy away
from.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, I love that.
Anything besides besides?
Don't sleep with your clientbecause they're minors people
Besides that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Or their parents.
Their parents are also a no-no.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Or their aunts and uncles.
It's a whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Don't sleep with your supervisor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh my God.
Yeah, please don't.
There's too many millions ofpeople, please don't.
But let's make it fun whilewe're learning.
We're not shaming, we'relearning.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yes, that's right, that's right.
So you guys picked Star Wars.
How did you go through theprocess of these?
Are the in-park experiencesthat line up the best with
ethics and supervision, or didyou just say these are the rides
I really want to make sure Iget on, so we're?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
going to frame it around these.
Well, I don't know if you'reaware of this, but I'm kind of a
car.
I have heard that about you,melissa, I remember and there is
so supervision is actually inDCA and so to me I mean you have
(13:11):
Marvel land and cars and youalso have inside outs in there,
but you have, you have those twothings and I was like what is
more supervision like than thelike the relationship between
lightning McQueen and Doc Hudson?
Oh, wow.
And then you know Marvel, it'slike the land of supervision,
(13:33):
like those dynamics.
So that one was a pretty easy.
This can happen pretty, um,easy.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
This is this can happen.
Yeah, for me, having this theone of the ethics based very
much on Star Wars, we do.
We do touch on Avengers topicslike the imposter syndrome and
the worthiness of of CaptainAmerica picking up Thor's hammer
and what that took for thatmoment to happen.
We touch on Avengers, we touchon cars, but a lot of the
ethical discussions andprocessing is going to be based
(14:11):
on Star Wars ideas and for me,as you mentioned before, it lent
itself very easily and verybeautifully with everything
involving the force and thedifferences between the force
and the Sith and how theytrained their people.
The Jedi had a certain styleand when it didn't work for them
(14:34):
, it was all because of ethicaldilemmas that they went a
certain way with.
Like they had their system butethically they made poor choices
and it was the downfall oftheir entire system.
So how can we, as therapists,learn from that?
We have a system in place.
(14:55):
We have a code of ethics.
No matter what you are LPC,lmft ethics no matter what you
are LPC, lmft, social worker,wherever you are you have a code
of ethics and we've got it inplace.
It's all there.
But depending on what we do withthat as a whole and as
individuals, but in this mode itreally is a macro thing.
(15:18):
It's what are we doing with itas a culture?
That's the ethics.
We can apply it individually,but it's what's happening with
ethics and how we are learningethics, how we are practicing
ethics, how we are willing ornot willing.
That's a big point.
That I wanted to go over is howwe are not willing to consult
(15:39):
on ethical dilemmas becausewe're afraid of somebody saying
you're bad, you're bad, you'rebad, you lose your license.
I'm reporting you to the board.
There are, I mean, Iexperienced situations during
the beginning of my supervisionthat were 100% not ethical but,
I, did not know what to do, andI know that I'm now combining
these two ideas again.
(16:00):
But that's why I'm so passionateabout these ideas was because I
was in a vulnerable positionwhen I first graduated from grad
school and I first went intothe therapy field and was under
supervision where I was by mysupervisors directly put in very
unethical situations and tolddo this.
I mean, I even tried toquestion things that were
(16:23):
unethical in this groupsupervision that I was told to
lie about because in our stateyou can't do all of you couldn't
.
Now you can, you couldn't doall of your supervision in a
group format, but they onlywould do it in a group format
and I was told to lie about iton my list in a group format.
(16:48):
And I was told to lie about iton my list and like I had no
choice, I felt like I had nochoice.
Now I'm saying I should havesaid something, even to the
board, no matter what that wasgoing to mean for me.
But I was terrified of what wasgoing to happen to me if I
reported this situation.
And so I, you know, I firedthem and I got a good supervisor
.
It's what I did, but it took alot of processing with outside
(17:12):
people and outside consultationfor me to get to the point where
I felt like I had the power tosay this is not good.
I knew that it wasn't good, butI didn't have the, I didn't
have the confidence to say thisis not good.
So all of that really leadsinto this, this identifying with
(17:35):
the Star Wars world, and youdon't have to know Star Wars,
like.
I've already got little bittyclips all ready to show people
in park if we need to whilewe're waiting in line.
I mean the whole thing is, Imean it's brilliant.
In my mind, this is going to beone heck of an experience and
(17:55):
I'm very, very excited aboutwhat we are, what we are going
to do and the, the, theprocessing we're going to be
able to have in the discussionsthat we will be able to have.
That would never happen in aserial classroom ever yes oh
(18:18):
sounds amazing, amazing got.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
About this whole thing.
So for all of you who arelistening out there, just listen
.
You're going to have so muchconversation, so much
experiential.
You're going to be in power.
What we do is not black andwhite and that's just in the
conversation that we're havingand the empowerment right that
(18:40):
we were just um shared with inregards to.
There's a lot of situations as asupervisee in this field that,
even though we have guidelines,please read your ethics.
Often just like go pretend um,but you have them there.
They're there for a reason.
You have them for yourcredentials, your licensure, you
have them for play therapy.
Read them both.
I promise you you're notgonnaure.
(19:01):
You're having for play therapy.
Read them both.
I promise you you're not goingto fall asleep.
You're going to be what thiswas here the whole time.
You're going to be surprised.
And then how we're going tointegrate it by going to your
right brain and bringing popculture and bringing those
scenarios that we don't tend tothink about, because when we see
(19:22):
movies good for you.
If you don't see it this way,you're not thinking about ethics
and supervision.
If you hang with the four of us, it's gonna be ruined for you
because we see supervision andethics everywhere.
So come in, have fun.
Learn in the park in regards tosupervision and ethics while
you're having fun riding cars.
(19:44):
That was an awesome.
I do remember long line, but itwas awesome so good and star
wars, um any last bit that wewant to share, any words of um
encouragement, so anyone who'slistening they can go register.
If you're registered, lucky you.
But anything that we want toshare before we go you can also.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
We're also doing an ethics, that is, in um the
fantasy land so what we live inchoices, so fantasy land will um
, take on the things?
The one that's really importantto me is Peter Pan.
So there's multiple things.
(20:27):
We're going to go on there withethics, but for me, I look at
Wendy and all the lovely hatsthat she has to wear and I am
currently school-based and thatis a very yeah measure trove of
ethical dilemmas on the dailybasis.
And we are going, we are goingto talk about that, and I don't
(20:50):
think that that's something thatgets talked about.
A lot is when you're in and yousee her.
You get to see your clients onthe daily.
What does that look like?
How do you manage that that?
Because now everybody knowsthat you see them, and so
there's there's a lot of hatsthat I get to wear in a school
that when I was in privatepractice, I don't have, um, and
(21:12):
so we look at wendy's hats andhow she has to explore those and
you know, and then other thingsin fantasy land that come off
and you're like, oh, I didn'tthink about that as an ethical
thing yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So all of you, please sign up.
Uh, we will include that linkif you haven't seen it.
Maria has done an amazing um uh, advertising it.
But if you haven't seen it,we're going to include um the
link so that you can registerand then look out for these two
amazing classes, even if you'relike, oh my god, I'm not certain
and supervising, go take it,you can anyway?
(21:50):
have a blast.
Just what, what these ladiesjust described and you just
never know, might as well haveit.
You're gonna be there, you'regonna be in a group, you're
gonna have a blast.
You're going to have a blast.
You're going to be learning somuch.
You will never see these moviesever again the same.
Uh, good for you if you don'tsee them the same, right?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
yeah, that means we've done our job thank you
very much, maria.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Anything else you want to add?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
no, I am just so thankful that you ladies are
coming and going to be a part ofit in this way this year.
Yeah, and I'm just so honoredit's taken off the way it has.
Oh my gosh, it makes my heartjust like pitter patter.
I'm like, oh, not only have Ifound my people, but like I
think I've turned on a beaconand other people are going to
find us too.
So I'm very excited.
(22:38):
Less than 100 days, I get toplay with you guys in the park.
I mean, I love my job.
I love my job.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
We all do.
Thank you, listeners, andplease hurry up Limited seating.
Go sign up and have a blastUntil next time.
welcome listeners to a very special episode of a
hero's welcome podcast.
I am your co-host, maria laquerdiego, and I'm joined by my
ever glowing co-host that wouldbe me the glowing part.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is lilliana valen, and this is a special
episode which we are here topromote.
I was going to say Disney,disney does not need promotion.
There is a retreat that Mariatends to do since last year.
Right, what was her first one?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Second year, so we have two special guests.
How would you like to introduceyourselves, ladies, to our
audience?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
How would you like to introduce yourselves, ladies,
to our audience?
I'm Melissa Winterscheid.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I am a LPCS and an RPTS.
My name is Mandy Walker.
I am an LPCS, an NCC and an RPT.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Look at us with all our initials.
Can you tell us the name?
What is it that you're going tobe presenting?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We're going to be presenting supervision and
ethics in different sessionsduring this conference, which
we're very excited about.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But here's the catch All of our sessions are in the
park, we are using the rides, weare using the stories of the
different parts of Disney andStar Wars and all the things,
and bringing them together to dothe two things that most people
dislike about CEs, which isethics and supervision.
(01:47):
So we're making ethics andsupervision fun.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What better way to earn some CEs than standing in
line for a ride at Disneyland?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's like talking about ethics, whoever's trying
to cut in line for supervision,when you're like calm down,
let's breathe in, let's do it.
It's happening for you in thismoment, or supervision, when
you're like calm down, let'sbreathe in, let's do it.
It's happening for you in thismoment.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I love this we're going to prove that both topics
don't need to be scary, don'tneed to be hard and don't need
to be boring and forced upon you.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There you go.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I love it, I love it, I love it.
Yeah, so, melissa was actuallyan attendee this year for our
first ever play therapy Disneybound conference, and yeah so,
melissa, tell me a little bitabout what made you reach out in
terms of offering to be a partof the speaker lineup this year
and bringing Nandi along withyou.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So I tend to not go anywhere without Nandi.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So this March was an anomaly then?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes, it was we're a pretty dynamic duo.
Dynamic duo, um, and the otherpart was I had this idea of
doing something in the parks, um, and wanting to take it and
making the in-park days reallyimmersive with with the learning
(03:18):
part, and I was very excitedabout that.
I think when we we had ourfirst day in March and we had
the activity that we had to doin the parks, I was like, oh my
gosh, we could do so many thingsin this park and like, and then
I was, it was like game on andI really like, I really love
(03:39):
teaching.
So for me and we are veryethics and supervision focused,
so it was just kind of a nobrainer.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I love that.
So what is one thing thatanyone who attends and, by the
way, there's limited spaceanyone who's listening hopefully
you'll go and grab that seatright away, but what is one
thing that you can share to ourlisteners, that they're going to
?
It will be one takeaway fromthat.
They're going to learn, I'msorry, about supervision, and
one thing that they can learnabout ethics besides that they
(04:14):
don't have to be scary and fun.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Those are the two biggest points already.
The biggest one, Something thatI I'm confident that people are
going to take away fromdiscussing supervision in this
is that creativity is a vitalpart of good supervision and
continued supervision, which wetend to call consultation, but
(04:40):
that it's an important thing,but that we can keep it creative
.
It doesn't have to be stagnant,and the simple fact that we're
in a creative environment willlead itself to everybody opening
up their minds and going thesky's the limit.
We can do what we need to andwhat we want to and what we can
imagine as far as supervisionand continuing consultation is
(05:01):
concerned.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Love it.
The sky is the limit.
That's a beautiful image thatwe can all take right away.
Love that.
You got ethics.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Ethics.
So I think that viewing ethicsthrough a Disney lens can be
very entertaining.
It also changes the way thatyou watch anything that Disney
produces right.
So now and one of our.
(05:33):
So I'm going to admit I am nota and I was born a Trekkie.
So, um, we decided to do a StarWars ethics and a Disney ethics
, um, so people could have theirchoice.
And, uh, when we were so, I hadto go back and start watching
(05:55):
Star Wars, um, and I think Iruined it for my husband.
He was like, are you gonna, aswe do, all the characters
because I love them?
And I was like, I mean, it'skind of what I'm doing right now
.
So, um, I think that justgiving um people a different
lens to, as a way to look atthings, um, and even when it
(06:16):
comes to something like ethics,like it doesn't have to be this,
you know, it's just not.
Don't sleep with your clientsand what's the other one?
Don't, don't talk.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Don't be Facebook friends, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Don't be Facebook friends.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Side by side.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Those are the two like right, and so it can be
other things, and there'sthere's areas that you can
discuss and look into and growwith.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
I mean I am biased because youknow it's my, it's my thing, but
I think it's.
I think it's really for me.
It's so exciting to see itlight the spark for others to
also consider, cause I mean,liliana knows this and Melissa
(07:02):
you do too, cause you attendedthis year.
I'm a super nerd, super nerd,and so when I can geek out about
stuff and other that are oftenyou know, I think about the
(07:25):
ethics and supervision trainingsI go to.
They're like read this casestudy and then decide how to
handle it.
And it's like, you know,so-and-so has found that this
client is attracted to them.
How do we handle this?
I'm like, well, this is thesame thing we've been doing.
How much more fun is it?
Okay, so Darth Vader killing aplanet to get something that was
(07:47):
stolen from him?
Let's go there.
Right, let's talk about theethics behind decision making in
this trio.
It's just so much more fun,yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's a different way to relate and to identify with
the stories that are already outthere in the world.
So we can relate and identifywith our supervisees, with the
people that we're consultingwith, with our clients
themselves, in a much broaderfashion, which just increases
our connection to them and itincreases our ability to help
(08:21):
them with their own insight, ourability to help them with their
own insight.
So the more we can relatethrough differences and
similarities at the same time,where we're different or where
we're not different, the betterwe are at what we are trying to
do.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Beautiful.
I was gonna say, like, whattraining self ethics you guys
are going that you're talkingabout sleeping with your clients
?
We work with children, people.
Stop this, um, and and howbeautiful it is.
Right, um, I was like now we'retalking about the law, not
ethics.
But, okay, it's my mind, um,but how beautiful it is that, um
(08:59):
, what you two are suggesting inregards to, even when we use
this example, a start wordswhich is oh, can I put myself in
their shoes and realize thatethics is not black and white?
The cases that we work in is socomplicated there's no right way
.
But ethics is inviting us tothink about math in regards to
(09:19):
problem solving.
How will we get there?
What were the steps to getthere?
Did we empathize that?
We went beyond that curiosityand wonder right, um, how do we
make that decision?
So I think it's beautifulbecause, yeah, in the example
that you were sharing, maria, Iwas like yeah, can you?
Did you steal something thatwas stolen from you or was that
(09:41):
an eye for an eye?
Was that like we're even?
Did this cancel, like in math?
But our profession is not thatsimple.
It's not black and white, notwhen we're talking about ethics
and not when we're talking aboutsupervision, right, the things
that our supervisors are dealingwith are more complicated than
(10:01):
ever, because now we have we areglobal, we have access to good
information, bad information, um, you know boundaries that we
need to have in supervision.
That most of our superviseesbecause it's a new cohort, a new
generation they, they don'thave the black and white
thinking that the same way thatwe were.
(10:22):
Can I say that a lot because wecome from a cohort.
So I think, no, absolutelyright that you guys are doing it
in the park and using real,like very experiential, very
experiential, um, it ishappening.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I think that is so cool I love that and I think
that I think you make a goodpoint, lilliana, because you
know I was talking.
I was doing consultation earlylast week before the holiday and
we were chatting about thesupervisor was like they just
need this immediate responsefrom me, right, like they're
texting me about something and Ifeel like I have to respond.
(10:57):
And I told, I told them.
I was like do you rememberbeing in your program or your
first job?
Did we have texting back then?
Because we didn't.
For me, like I'm, I'm old enoughto say we did not have texting
like we have texting now.
That was used for emergenciesonly and only after nine,
because I had limited texts.
Like I'm super aging myselfright now, right, but this
(11:21):
generation it expensive.
I couldn't imagine.
I never once texted mysupervisor a question, right,
like you waited untilsupervision and you use that
hour and like if you needed anextra one, you asked for an
extra one, and nowadays it'slike on Saturday, hey, I have
this question, what do I need todo about this case?
And the supervisors are like Ifeel like I'm supposed to
(11:43):
respond, they're supposed tohave immediate access to me, and
so I love that you guys havededicated yourselves to
supervision and ethics.
I think that's the two mostcommon topics people shy away
from.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, I love that.
Anything besides besides?
Don't sleep with your clientbecause they're minors people
Besides that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Or their parents.
Their parents are also a no-no.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Or their aunts and uncles.
It's a whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Don't sleep with your supervisor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh my God.
Yeah, please don't.
There's too many millions ofpeople, please don't.
But let's make it fun whilewe're learning.
We're not shaming, we'relearning.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yes, that's right, that's right.
So you guys picked Star Wars.
How did you go through theprocess of these?
Are the in-park experiencesthat line up the best with
ethics and supervision, or didyou just say these are the rides
I really want to make sure Iget on, so we're?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
going to frame it around these.
Well, I don't know if you'reaware of this, but I'm kind of a
car.
I have heard that about you,melissa, I remember and there is
so supervision is actually inDCA and so to me I mean you have
(13:11):
Marvel land and cars and youalso have inside outs in there,
but you have, you have those twothings and I was like what is
more supervision like than thelike the relationship between
lightning McQueen and Doc Hudson?
Oh, wow.
And then you know Marvel, it'slike the land of supervision,
(13:33):
like those dynamics.
So that one was a pretty easy.
This can happen pretty, um,easy.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
This is this can happen.
Yeah, for me, having this theone of the ethics based very
much on Star Wars, we do.
We do touch on Avengers topicslike the imposter syndrome and
the worthiness of of CaptainAmerica picking up Thor's hammer
and what that took for thatmoment to happen.
We touch on Avengers, we touchon cars, but a lot of the
ethical discussions andprocessing is going to be based
(14:11):
on Star Wars ideas and for me,as you mentioned before, it lent
itself very easily and verybeautifully with everything
involving the force and thedifferences between the force
and the Sith and how theytrained their people.
The Jedi had a certain styleand when it didn't work for them
(14:34):
, it was all because of ethicaldilemmas that they went a
certain way with.
Like they had their system butethically they made poor choices
and it was the downfall oftheir entire system.
So how can we, as therapists,learn from that?
We have a system in place.
(14:55):
We have a code of ethics.
No matter what you are LPC,lmft ethics no matter what you
are LPC, lmft, social worker,wherever you are you have a code
of ethics and we've got it inplace.
It's all there.
But depending on what we do withthat as a whole and as
individuals, but in this mode itreally is a macro thing.
(15:18):
It's what are we doing with itas a culture?
That's the ethics.
We can apply it individually,but it's what's happening with
ethics and how we are learningethics, how we are practicing
ethics, how we are willing ornot willing.
That's a big point.
That I wanted to go over is howwe are not willing to consult
(15:39):
on ethical dilemmas becausewe're afraid of somebody saying
you're bad, you're bad, you'rebad, you lose your license.
I'm reporting you to the board.
There are, I mean, Iexperienced situations during
the beginning of my supervisionthat were 100% not ethical but,
I, did not know what to do, andI know that I'm now combining
these two ideas again.
(16:00):
But that's why I'm so passionateabout these ideas was because I
was in a vulnerable positionwhen I first graduated from grad
school and I first went intothe therapy field and was under
supervision where I was by mysupervisors directly put in very
unethical situations and tolddo this.
I mean, I even tried toquestion things that were
(16:23):
unethical in this groupsupervision that I was told to
lie about because in our stateyou can't do all of you couldn't
.
Now you can, you couldn't doall of your supervision in a
group format, but they onlywould do it in a group format
and I was told to lie about iton my list in a group format.
(16:48):
And I was told to lie about iton my list and like I had no
choice, I felt like I had nochoice.
Now I'm saying I should havesaid something, even to the
board, no matter what that wasgoing to mean for me.
But I was terrified of what wasgoing to happen to me if I
reported this situation.
And so I, you know, I firedthem and I got a good supervisor
.
It's what I did, but it took alot of processing with outside
(17:12):
people and outside consultationfor me to get to the point where
I felt like I had the power tosay this is not good.
I knew that it wasn't good, butI didn't have the, I didn't
have the confidence to say thisis not good.
So all of that really leadsinto this, this identifying with
(17:35):
the Star Wars world, and youdon't have to know Star Wars,
like.
I've already got little bittyclips all ready to show people
in park if we need to whilewe're waiting in line.
I mean the whole thing is, Imean it's brilliant.
In my mind, this is going to beone heck of an experience and
(17:55):
I'm very, very excited aboutwhat we are, what we are going
to do and the, the, theprocessing we're going to be
able to have in the discussionsthat we will be able to have.
That would never happen in aserial classroom ever yes oh
(18:18):
sounds amazing, amazing got.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
About this whole thing.
So for all of you who arelistening out there, just listen
.
You're going to have so muchconversation, so much
experiential.
You're going to be in power.
What we do is not black andwhite and that's just in the
conversation that we're havingand the empowerment right that
(18:40):
we were just um shared with inregards to.
There's a lot of situations as asupervisee in this field that,
even though we have guidelines,please read your ethics.
Often just like go pretend um,but you have them there.
They're there for a reason.
You have them for yourcredentials, your licensure, you
have them for play therapy.
Read them both.
I promise you you're notgonnaure.
(19:01):
You're having for play therapy.
Read them both.
I promise you you're not goingto fall asleep.
You're going to be what thiswas here the whole time.
You're going to be surprised.
And then how we're going tointegrate it by going to your
right brain and bringing popculture and bringing those
scenarios that we don't tend tothink about, because when we see
(19:22):
movies good for you.
If you don't see it this way,you're not thinking about ethics
and supervision.
If you hang with the four of us, it's gonna be ruined for you
because we see supervision andethics everywhere.
So come in, have fun.
Learn in the park in regards tosupervision and ethics while
you're having fun riding cars.
(19:44):
That was an awesome.
I do remember long line, but itwas awesome so good and star
wars, um any last bit that wewant to share, any words of um
encouragement, so anyone who'slistening they can go register.
If you're registered, lucky you.
But anything that we want toshare before we go you can also.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
We're also doing an ethics, that is, in um the
fantasy land so what we live inchoices, so fantasy land will um
, take on the things?
The one that's really importantto me is Peter Pan.
So there's multiple things.
(20:27):
We're going to go on there withethics, but for me, I look at
Wendy and all the lovely hatsthat she has to wear and I am
currently school-based and thatis a very yeah measure trove of
ethical dilemmas on the dailybasis.
And we are going, we are goingto talk about that, and I don't
(20:50):
think that that's something thatgets talked about.
A lot is when you're in and yousee her.
You get to see your clients onthe daily.
What does that look like?
How do you manage that that?
Because now everybody knowsthat you see them, and so
there's there's a lot of hatsthat I get to wear in a school
that when I was in privatepractice, I don't have, um, and
(21:12):
so we look at wendy's hats andhow she has to explore those and
you know, and then other thingsin fantasy land that come off
and you're like, oh, I didn'tthink about that as an ethical
thing yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So all of you, please sign up.
Uh, we will include that linkif you haven't seen it.
Maria has done an amazing um uh, advertising it.
But if you haven't seen it,we're going to include um the
link so that you can registerand then look out for these two
amazing classes, even if you'relike, oh my god, I'm not certain
and supervising, go take it,you can anyway?
(21:50):
have a blast.
Just what, what these ladiesjust described and you just
never know, might as well haveit.
You're gonna be there, you'regonna be in a group, you're
gonna have a blast.
You're going to have a blast.
You're going to be learning somuch.
You will never see these moviesever again the same.
Uh, good for you if you don'tsee them the same, right?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
yeah, that means we've done our job thank you
very much, maria.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Anything else you want to add?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
no, I am just so thankful that you ladies are
coming and going to be a part ofit in this way this year.
Yeah, and I'm just so honoredit's taken off the way it has.
Oh my gosh, it makes my heartjust like pitter patter.
I'm like, oh, not only have Ifound my people, but like I
think I've turned on a beaconand other people are going to
find us too.
So I'm very excited.
(22:38):
Less than 100 days, I get toplay with you guys in the park.
I mean, I love my job.
I love my job.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
We all do.
Thank you, listeners, andplease hurry up Limited seating.
Go sign up and have a blastUntil next time.
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