March 21, 2024 • 29 mins
Feng Shui, Personal Strengths, and Navigating Adversity with Tina Falk
This podcast episode features an interview with Tina Falk, a Feng Shui master with years of experience and deep knowledge in the practice. The host begins with updates and an invitation for listeners to follow her on Instagram and announces her upcoming book. Tina shares her personal journey, moving from the Twin Cities to Utah and discovering her strengths with the help of her family and colleagues, emphasizing integrity, being a doer, and wisdom. She also reflects on wearing the hats of a teacher, student, and grandmother, and the core value of gratitude in her life. A significant part of the conversation covers Tina's personal challenges, particularly her revelations regarding her father's behavior, leading her to understand his narcissistic personality disorder. Tina then dives into her work in Feng Shui and Chinese astrology, explaining how these practices have shaped her career and personal philosophy. She discusses her role as both a practitioner and a teacher, highlighting how Chinese astrology assists individuals and businesses in understanding personalities and environments for better harmony. The podcast wraps up with Tina sharing insights about living beyond extremes, advocating for a balanced approach to life, and leaving listeners with thoughts on gratitude and choice in perspective.
00:00 Welcome and Podcast Introduction 00:39 Upcoming Book Announcement and Guest Introduction 00:51 Deep Dive with Tina Falk: Feng Shui Master 01:40 Tina's Personal Journey and Strengths 06:58 Exploring Core Values and Gratitude 08:34 Overcoming Adversity: A Personal Story 16:14 The Power of Chinese Astrology in Feng Shui 23:23 The Impact of Feng Shui on Business and Personal Growth 28:49 Closing Thoughts and Future Connections
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JEN BANKS (00:20):
Thanks for joining me on the podcast this week.
I am so happy to have you here.
A reminder to follow me on Instagramat AS4Adversity if you're not already.
Your interaction and comments on therereally help people find the page and
the podcast, and I really appreciate it.
as you follow me, you'll be the firstto know about big things coming.
I am writing a book in April andthere's a lot of other things
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coming, including a big reveal.
But in the meantime, let's continueon with our fabulous guest.
This week I interviewed Tina and sheis a feng shui master and she has been
practiced feng shui for a very longtime, even before she knew what it was.
So she definitely has a lot of wisdom,a lot of knowledge on the subject, and
(01:04):
it was just a fabulous conversationto get to know her better and to
hear what she does in the world.
I am here with Tina Falk.
How are you today?
TINA FALK (01:22):
I'm doing really great.
JEN BANKS (01:23):
I appreciate you willing to come on and I can't wait to hear
what you have to share with us.
Before we do that though, I just wantto kind of get a sense for who you
are as a person and As an individual,oftentimes we combine our identity with
what we do, but there's so much separate.
So just tell us a little bitabout yourself and then what
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three of your strengths are.
I'm curious.
TINA FALK (01:46):
I'm, I was curious about you, you kind of sent me like here's
a couple of questions I might ask you.
And so I was like, I don'tknow what my strengths are.
So I started texting people.
I texted my husband, mydaughter, and a colleague, who's
a dear friend of mine to see.
And it was, I was really.
And I was like, Oh, I don't think Iwould have picked those for myself,
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but I actually feel like I am that.
So yeah, I live, I've beenliving here in Utah since 1995.
My husband and I moved out here from theTwin Cities in Minnesota and we love it.
Every day to see the mountains.
We feel like we're on vacation eventhis long almost 30 years now, and
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we just love Everything about thisarea really we can't I can't imagine
living anywhere else and I moved outhere for a job, a small ad agency.
I went to art school in Minneapolisand it just snowballed from there.
We have a couple of kids.
We've been married for35 years going on 36.
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So we've been in it for the long haul.
And I think we will be here for,we just kind of look at each
other Oh, you're still here.
Really grateful to have that solid.
Kind of connection and have a goodfriend and, just experience the
ups and downs of life together.
So are you ready for my strengths?
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I
JEN BANKS (03:12):
think that's a great idea that you asked people because it's true.
They can see a perspectivethat we might not notice right
TINA FALK (03:20):
away.
Yeah, or appreciate, or wonder ifanybody's even paying attention.
Integrity was from my husband.
He says in that, to him thatwas an all encompassing kind
of word, or characteristic.
And my daughter, she's 21, andshe's a very self motivated person.
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She's Just super eager.
She's a quick learner and she just wantsto excel at everything that she does.
And she said, I'm a doer.
She says, you don't just talk about thingsand not do them like you make it happen.
And I was like, wow I definitelycan feel that in myself.
All that other talk that, doesn'twant to make things happen, think make
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things happen, happens internally.
So I definitely make surethat when I do speak, it has.
It has context to it.
It has purpose to it.
It's got direction and it's motivatingrather than just speak to be speaking.
I'm not good at small talk.
I don't think it serves the soul, totalk about weather and stuff like that.
I like what you're doing here to godeep and, get to know people more.
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And then my friend, who's a colleagueof mine he said, you're wisdom.
And I was like, he said, you'reone of the wisest people I know.
And I thought where does that come from?
And I wonder what that meanswithout asking him to elaborate.
And I think it's my intuition.
I really lean into that and have sloweddown my life, my day enough that I
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can Be really aware of those fleeting,subtle, intuitive hits when they happen.
And I don't miss them.
And so I work on that and it'spart of the work that I do.
Wow,
JEN BANKS (05:02):
that's fascinating.
Thank you for sharing.
And it's neat that they allthree go together, I feel like.
Because with integrity, and being a doer,you're doing what you know needs to happen
and what you've said is going to happen.
And then also your intuition is livingin alignment with who you really are.
And sharing that with others.
Thank you.
That was neat to get a littledeep dive into your strengths.
TINA FALK (05:23):
Thank you.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (05:26):
So what are some of the hats that you wear day to day?
TINA FALK (05:30):
There are two main hats that I think that I wear
and I think that we all wear.
And they are teacher and student.
I think we vacillate.
I think it's a thin line sometimes.
Sometimes we're dancing the line,especially with our kids, especially
with, clients or spouses of am I inthe teacher role right now and it's
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for me to share or somebody's asked me.
for help or insights or whatever,or am I supposed to be the student?
Even if it is a two year old or a 21year old, am I, what am I here to learn?
And so I always see everyopportunity as me being the student.
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I feel like I'm a perpetual student and Idon't like giving up that role, but in my
career, I'm a teacher and the third role,which is fairly new for me, just seven
months, I'm a grandma and I think that'sa big role and I tell my, I tell, I've
told a couple of people, I think that'swhat I was born to be a grandma to this
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little baby and any more that are to come.
That's
JEN BANKS (06:38):
awesome.
I love your unique take on that.
I feel like.
That's an answer that I wouldn't alwaysexpect, so I love how you put that.
We are the teacher and the student,and then of course that grandmother
TINA FALK (06:48):
role that's so exciting.
I have a lot to learn fromthis little one, I'm sure.
JEN BANKS (06:53):
Right?
Isn't that fascinating how much they teach
TINA FALK (06:55):
us?
If we just get out of the way.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (06:58):
What are your core values?
This might go along with strikes, butwhat do you feel like you most value
TINA FALK (07:04):
in life?
I think that's really, it's a man, Imean, there's so many, of course with my
business, I've created some core values,but for me, it's to be in gratitude
to find, the golden thread, the goldennugget, whatever the gift in everything.
I'm often made fun of because I'm thankingthe person who cut me off on the road.
(07:27):
Oh, thanks for reminding me to slow down.
Thanks for, telling me, and sometimesit's several, on one little road trip.
It's okay, what is the message here?
Gratitude, I think, is something thatkeeps me from focusing on the negative
or the lower vibration of thingsand getting kind of lost in that.
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When it's no there's always, right?
We always, even when we go throughsomething rough, even if it's a moment
or a year or a lifetime, we can really,I think if we really were honest and
reflected, we become different orwe become better or we become wiser
or more welcoming or understanding.
I mean, there's so many greatthings that come out of things.
(08:11):
So gratitude is a big one for me.
JEN BANKS (08:14):
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
And I feel like it's interestingthat you say that because I've
been focusing on that a lot latelyand it keeps coming up everywhere.
So thank you again for the reminderto just have gratitude in any
circumstance because you're right.
We can learn something orbe led to do something else
because of what happens to us.
Yeah.
Along with that, when have youexperienced some adversity and how did
(08:38):
it refine you or shape your character?
TINA FALK (08:40):
There's one that really stands out.
I've been sitting with this questionfor a few days now, and I keep thinking,
Oh, there's gotta be something else.
And it keeps like for, so for, okay, thisconversation, I'm needing to say this.
And of course, whenever we hit a pointof challenge or adversity, it's not.
It's not a comfortable conversation.
It's not like a placethat I want to go to.
(09:03):
And I'm also very conscious thatit's not a story that defines me.
That it's not, something that, thattriggers me, to do the work around that.
To do the healing and the integrationthat needs to happen so that I become
whole and complete because of whathappened rather than feeling like
I'm Disjointed or disconnected ormisunderstanding or any of that stuff.
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And about eight years ago, I was 50 and Ihad some interactions with my dad and it's
always been a really tough relationship.
It's very, it's been a very confusingrelationship about how he's treated
me and how I think he's perceived me.
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And it's always felt, mademe feel very uncomfortable.
And about eight years ago, I was havinga conversation with a family member,
who's also a nurse, and I was explainingto her this relationship, and she was
like, Oh my gosh, Tina, I am so sorry.
I had no idea that you, hewas treating you this way.
(10:07):
I thought you guys wereclose, and I'm like, God, no.
I wanted us to be close, and So she'smade a comment and it changed my life.
She said, I wonder if he hasnarcissistic personality disorder.
And of course it's not a diagnosis.
But my life flashed before myeyes standing in my kitchen.
(10:31):
All of these memories of being a child andhaving these experiences with him, whether
it was just me and him, or my brotherwas there and we're out doing something.
My parents were divorced whenI was five, so it was, visiting
dad every other weekend.
It all of a sudden dawnedon me, it wasn't me.
(10:51):
It wasn't my fault he didn't love me.
I had been working, tryingreally hard for 50 years.
To be seen, to be understood,to be heard, to be loved.
And he didn't have that capacity.
It wasn't within him to do that.
And oh, I mean, it was a whirlwind.
(11:12):
And still, once in a while, amemory will come up of us doing
something, which to me might feellike, oh, that was a good memory.
Not that I want to taint those memorieswith, What I know now, but it makes sense.
It makes sense why he did these things,or had to stand out, or trying to
one up mom, or, that kind of thing.
But just to make sure I reached outto a long time family friend on that
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side, who's a psychologist, and Isaid, I just want to explain this.
He's he said the same thing as my mom.
Oh my gosh, Tina, I had no idea.
I thought you guys were really close.
And I said, I just want to make surethat I'm making the right decision
for the right reason and I'm notjust making an easy choice to go no
contact because I felt that was thesafest thing for me and my kids.
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And when I asked him, I said, does hehave narcissistic personality disorder?
And he said, absolutely.
Without a shadow of a doubt.
Yes.
And of course we don't, I know, he'smy dad's not going to go in and get.
a diagnosis or even go to therapy, eventhough it's been recommended in the past.
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It gave me such a sense of freedomand power to say, I have a choice now.
I don't have to stay connected to this.
Harmful person or in thisharmful relationship and I can
move on and it was terrifying.
It was absolutely terrifying.
Of course I questioned if I wasmaking the right decision for years.
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My kids couldn't understand becausehe was the great fun grandpa, he
did the fun things and he gavethem money and all that stuff.
And so it was a tough couple years.
But as time went on.
He wasn't reaching out.
He wasn't texting.
He wasn't even reaching out to thekids, sending cards or anything.
So it was like, within a yearand a half, it was like, Oh, he's
(13:05):
already moved on to another family.
We don't even exist.
I haven't heard from him since.
And so it was to have that reallysad aha moment was also very freeing
because it's, I thought it was me.
I thought I wasn't lovable, causethere was conditions on everything.
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And there was insults if my hairwasn't cut right or if I gained
too much weight or whatever.
And it was such a gift to meto finally have that moment.
Of course, there's parts of methat's like, why didn't somebody say
this 30 years ago or 40 years ago?
So I'm not sure if that answersyour question as far as adversity.
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But that, for some reason, that story orthat, that share is, has been standing
out the most the last couple days for me.
JEN BANKS (13:59):
Yeah.
Wow.
Thank you for sharing that.
Shaping your whole life and just,it's made you who you are, the way
that you've responded to it or theway that you're now responding to
it and just unpacking all of that.
Wow.
My mom, I recently, like you, realizedthat she Has a level of emotional
immaturity and again, it was kind of justlike a light bulb moment that oh Maybe
(14:23):
this is why we've been butting headsthis whole time, And this is why I've
sought connection other places becauseshe wasn't able to meet that need for me.
So yeah, thank you for sharing.
I'm sure that will I love how youjust stuck with your intuition to
share that because I know it willbenefit a listener or even me as I
TINA FALK (14:40):
reflect on it.
It's an interesting topic, if youdon't mind, when I was talking to
that psychologist ten, eight yearsago, it's, he said, you just watch, he
said, in the next ten years, psychologyis coming out of the dark ages, and
you're going to start seeing, newawareness and new treatment plans.
And we're already seeing that, right?
(15:00):
We're seeing, whether it's the ketaminetrials or these psychedelic, to help
people with PTSD or end of life care.
And even the talk about narcissism.
He was very clear with me.
He says, narcissism is a spectrum.
It's a, and you can be anywhere.
We're in, we're all narcissistic.
We all have to have that trait.
It's what helps us stay alive.
It's what keeps us alive becausewe feel like we deserve to be here.
(15:24):
I deserve to, to be living.
But of course there's those differentkinds of narcissistic behaviors and
we're really quick to call peoplenarcissistic, but being narcissistic
and having the personality disorder.
is quite different, it's apowerful, invasive relationship.
(15:47):
It's a tough relationship becauseI don't think, when you're in
it, usually it's sensitive peoplewho are the other side of that.
And you're the one that's made to feellike you're not reading the room right.
You're the crazy one, andwhat are you talking about?
Oftentimes it's too late, or it'sso late in the game that it's wow,
there's been so much damage done.
(16:10):
So thanks for letting me share that.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (16:14):
Speaking of alternative healing in different ways, let's
move into what you do for your work.
TINA FALK (16:19):
Yeah.
So I I do, I, I, it's so weird tosay I'm a feng shui practitioner
because, but that's what I do.
It's one of the things I do because alot of people have You know a specific
idea of what they think it is or they'relike you do what you know They don't
know at all what I do and so it'syou know That just kind of feeds into
my whole first 50 years of my life.
(16:41):
Let's just go through life feelingmisunderstood I have to explain myself.
It's people still don'tget it But that's fine.
It's that's part of what I do So yeah,I do Chinese astrology And Chinese
metaphysics being beyond the physical.
So it's really looking at people,who they are through Chinese
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astrology, their natal chart.
And then making sure that theirrelationships and their space, whether
it's a workspace or your home that it'ssupporting you, specifically your chart.
There's a lot of feng shui that'svery cookie cutter, and this is what
you're supposed to do, and these arethe do's and don'ts, and that doesn't
work, because we're all so unique.
(17:26):
I've done I've been doing this since 2005.
In 2012, my feng shuimaster gifted me her school.
She says, I want you to continue teaching.
And I've seen, I've beenin a lot of people's homes.
I've been in people's businesses.
I've done probably 1400 chart readings.
And there's no such thing as normal.
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Everybody's so different.
And we need to start understandingourselves deeper and appreciating
each other and understand one another.
with a different perspective.
We kind of come in knowing what weknow, but I'll tell you what, when
somebody can sit down with theirspouse or with their children and
do chart readings, it's, it just is.
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People just are like, Oh mygosh, this explains everything.
People have tears running down their faceor, Oh, my husband's not just a jerk.
He's just born that way or whatever.
There's, it's just such a powerfultool and I just love what I do.
And I don't consult as much as I used to,cause I spend a lot of my time teaching.
Shui practitioners.
(18:34):
And thanks to Zoom, it makes it easierfor me to reach people all over the world.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (18:40):
So why the draw to Chinese astrology, or how
did you get into it yourself?
TINA FALK (18:46):
Oh, that's a good question.
I had studied with a Buddhist meditationmaster for four years in the late 1900s.
That's so funny to say.
And when he, when it was, whenour time was done, it was a very
exclusive, esoteric, small group.
And he had never taughtwhite people before.
That's what he would say.
(19:06):
I always, he said, I alwaystaught slant eyed people.
He was Vietnamese.
And so he taught a very small group.
And after four years, he left.
He came to our homesand blessed our altars.
And he just kind of disappeared.
And I felt like therewas this kind of gap.
There was just kind of this, what's next?
What can I do with this?
And I was sitting in afeng shui class workshop.
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This girl was giving and she said, Shekept referring to her feng shui master
and I had already known some stuff aboutfeng shui over the years and she kept
referring to her master and I after theworkshop I said do you mind if I ask who
this is and she's because back then youknow it was you know Traveling to the
East Coast or the West Coast and spendinglots of money and making that work.
(19:53):
And my kids were young at the time.
And she said, yeah, shelives in Draper, Utah.
And I'm like, what?
That's crazy.
So I, she said, you'll love her.
Give her a call.
So I gave her a call and I reached outto her and she invited me over to her
house to have a, just a meet and greet.
Cause I said, I'd loveto be in your class.
And she said we don'teven know each other yet.
(20:14):
Let's see if we click.
And I thought, wow, that'skind of, seemed a little harsh.
I'm kind of sensitive.
So I was sitting in her living roomand she just started asking, she
started asking me my birth information.
And I, Jen, I didn't knowthere was Chinese astrology.
So I didn't know what I was getting into.
I thought I was just going totake some feng shui workshop.
(20:36):
And she started asking me my birthinformation completely out of context.
I didn't know what she was Andshe said where were you born?
And I'm thinking, you're notgoing to know where this is.
It's not like I could say I was bornin LA or, Provo, Utah or anything.
I can, cause I'm born in thislittle town in Eastern Wyoming.
And she's, she said, where were you born?
(20:57):
Cause you need to have thatinformation when you pull a chart.
What longitude latitudeand that kind of thing.
And I told her, and she said,I said, Newcastle, Wyoming.
And I said, but my, I wasn't from there.
My dad is from Upton andmy mom is from Sundance.
And she completely froze.
She stopped writing, she wouldn't lookup, and it was very uncomfortable.
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And she looked up and shesaid, who is your dad?
And I said, I said my dad's name,and she flew out of her chair.
She said, oh my gosh, Iwanted to marry your dad.
Is he still single?
If he is, I'm not, but I'll make it work.
So here I am, 40, I'm 40 years old,sitting in her living room and She grew
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up in the same little 400 people town asmy dad, and she told me a story, she says,
when I was 12, my first job was workingfor your grandmother in the newspaper.
Your grandma paid me 50 cents an hour.
So here I am full circle.
She said, I know it was yourgrandma that brought us together
because she was my first mentor.
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And so that's how I wasintroduced to Chinese astrology.
I wasn't really into the Western stuff.
I knew people who were.
I had readings done, but theChinese astrology is such a
tangible, it's metaphorical.
It's very literal.
It's very easy for people to connect.
It resonates because you're talkingabout the Chinese zodiac animals.
(22:34):
Also talking about the five Chineseelements and people can connect to
that because it's in their world.
And then you you include the fengshui, so when you're walking away
from a Chinese astrology reading, it'snot oh that was cool, but now what?
The feng shui aspect gives it likehere's what you can do to help
balance your chart out, or to helpyou understand or make some decisions.
(22:59):
Sorry, that was kind of a longway to tell you how that's how
I got into Chinese Astrology.
JEN BANKS (23:04):
Good, it was fascinating.
So interesting how things connect.
You say you mostly do teaching right now.
You do some consulting on the side?
TINA FALK (23:13):
I work I do have a directory on my website that can
direct people to my graduates.
They're all over the place andpeople work remotely these days.
Especially for home consultations.
I love to work with businesses.
To even if it's just the managementteam or the ownership team to
just, look at each other's charts,understand each other's strengths
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because a lot of times we're puttingpeople in positions and their chart
doesn't really suit that position andthey'd be better served over here.
Make sure that they're in the rightoffice, that the space is laid out
and that they really understand,how, who they are as a team or a
collective or just partnership.
There's so much room there for.
(23:54):
for you to really see and make someshifts so that the success of the
business, the success of the team andthe people, that it's more well rounded.
And I do a lot of chart readings.
I love to do chart readings.
I learn so much from everysingle chart reading I do.
It's so exciting for me.
And I have people that do like afirst time full reading and all of
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them are recorded and then they'lldo annual follow ups because the
energy is constantly changing.
So we want to be aware of whatthe shift is and how your chart's
going to be affected by it.
JEN BANKS (24:30):
Speaking of energy and working with businesses, I feel like that's a
new concept to me and I've Only recentlyentered the entrepreneurial world.
And it's interesting that really we dointeract so differently and we all have
different strengths and things thatwe bring to the table and things that
drain our energy and fill our energy.
So it's neat to see how youcan help businesses and how
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that can really affect things.
Is there a quote or mantra thatguides what you do or comes to mind?
TINA FALK (24:58):
Yeah, there's one I absolutely, I hear it in my head quite often.
It's not like I go around saying it veryoften, but it's definitely something, and
it's a quote by Rumi, and I know Rumi'sreally popular, but it really comes
down to that quote that's, out beyondfields of wrongdoing and rightdoing.
(25:19):
There's a field in the middle.
I will meet you there.
I'm really uncomfortable when somebody'scoming from an extreme standpoint because
that extreme standpoint is so far overthere that I feel like I have to counter
that and hold the other to find thebalance, to find the middle ground, to
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bring us both center because when I'mjust standing in the center and somebody
wants to pull me to their side it'seasier to grab me and pull me into that.
I just, that gray area in the middleis so much more room for flexibility,
accountability, appreciation, connection,rather than, I, it, the world is just
(26:02):
so extreme right now, and it's, we can'tlive in extremes for long periods of time.
When we're living in extreme settingsour decisions are based on fear.
They're not based on long term.
This is, this would be good forus five or 10 years down the road.
It's right now I'm in dire straitsand I need to get off the ship
(26:23):
or I need to, do something.
So that's my favorite is Ilike to live in the middle.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (26:29):
I like that.
It's very wise, as your friend said, Iwant to take it one level further too.
And I feel like I've been caught alot in the all or nothing mindset.
And so again, coming to themiddle is a lot more possibility
and openness and just.
Instead of being closed off orexpectations too high, those
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types of things, I'm goingto write a book in April.
And sometimes I think Oh, it'sgoing to tank or it's going to
be a New York times bestseller.
It's but there's so much inbetween yeah, not my mom.
So it could heal my relationship withher or I can meet different people or
learn different skill sets, so I likethat reminder again, to just be in
the middle, not the extremes and just.
Keep it like
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that.
TINA FALK (27:12):
Do you have a favorite quote?
JEN BANKS (27:14):
That's a good question.
I feel like, yeah, people ask me allthe time because I am a quote collector,
and I, quotes really resonate with me.
Let me think.
I shared one just the other day onanother episode, so I'm trying to
think if I can share a differentone to finish that up, but,
TINA FALK (27:30):
um,
That's a
JEN BANKS (27:31):
good question.
I will keep thinking about that, butin the meantime I'll have you share
your website and where people can find
TINA FALK (27:38):
you.
Okay, so I'll spell it out because fengshui is, not in the English language.
So my website is fengshuivia.
me, that's F E N G.
S H U I V I A, all one word, dot me.
So feng shui via me.
(28:00):
So that's a great place togo and kind of snoop around.
Also, just my name, Tina Falk.
I have a YouTube channel that's got,energy updates each month or some
feng shui tips and some conversations.
We even do some I have a couplecolleagues, we've pulled charts, we've
done a group of charts like presidentsand we've done serial killers and
cult leaders and that kind of stuff.
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So that's kind of funto sit in and listen to.
And then I'm on Instagramtoo, Via Feng Shui.
That's the name of my school and thename of my business is Via Feng Shui.
JEN BANKS (28:33):
Great.
Thank you for sharing that.
I am excited to learn morefrom you in the future as well.
I love connections.
I feel like I get to be selfishwith this podcast because I meet so
many unique people and then I alsoget to share those connections.
So yeah,
TINA FALK (28:47):
this is okay.
JEN BANKS (28:49):
I can't think of a favorite one.
There's so many that just come to mind.
So I'll just share one that'son my fridge right now.
And it's in preparation for St.
Patrick's day and it says lucky as a mind.
And so kind of going along with yourgratitude that We get to decide what
our circumstances mean for us, and justliving in the gratitude of whatever we're
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going through and that it's a choice.
TINA FALK (29:13):
Love that.
JEN BANKS (29:15):
Great.
Thank you for coming on and sharingyour wisdom and what you do.
And I will talk to you in the
TINA FALK (29:22):
future.
Thanks so much, Jen.
It's just been a pleasure.
Have a great day.
JEN BANKS (29:26):
You too.
Thank you to Blane at Ride the Wave Media.
There's a website coming soon for Ridethe Wave, but in the meantime you can look
up other podcasts by Ride the Wave Media.
There are so many great ones and it is St.
Patrick's Day in the UnitedStates, so I will say that I am
lucky to have him and his team.
I will talk to you next week.
(29:47):
Thank you!
Thanks for joining me on the podcast this week.
I am so happy to have you here.
A reminder to follow me on Instagramat AS4Adversity if you're not already.
Your interaction and comments on therereally help people find the page and
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as you follow me, you'll be the firstto know about big things coming.
I am writing a book in April andthere's a lot of other things
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coming, including a big reveal.
But in the meantime, let's continueon with our fabulous guest.
This week I interviewed Tina and sheis a feng shui master and she has been
practiced feng shui for a very longtime, even before she knew what it was.
So she definitely has a lot of wisdom,a lot of knowledge on the subject, and
(01:04):
it was just a fabulous conversationto get to know her better and to
hear what she does in the world.
I am here with Tina Falk.
How are you today?
TINA FALK (01:22):
I'm doing really great.
JEN BANKS (01:23):
I appreciate you willing to come on and I can't wait to hear
what you have to share with us.
Before we do that though, I just wantto kind of get a sense for who you
are as a person and As an individual,oftentimes we combine our identity with
what we do, but there's so much separate.
So just tell us a little bitabout yourself and then what
(01:44):
three of your strengths are.
I'm curious.
TINA FALK (01:46):
I'm, I was curious about you, you kind of sent me like here's
a couple of questions I might ask you.
And so I was like, I don'tknow what my strengths are.
So I started texting people.
I texted my husband, mydaughter, and a colleague, who's
a dear friend of mine to see.
And it was, I was really.
And I was like, Oh, I don't think Iwould have picked those for myself,
(02:08):
but I actually feel like I am that.
So yeah, I live, I've beenliving here in Utah since 1995.
My husband and I moved out here from theTwin Cities in Minnesota and we love it.
Every day to see the mountains.
We feel like we're on vacation eventhis long almost 30 years now, and
(02:29):
we just love Everything about thisarea really we can't I can't imagine
living anywhere else and I moved outhere for a job, a small ad agency.
I went to art school in Minneapolisand it just snowballed from there.
We have a couple of kids.
We've been married for35 years going on 36.
(02:51):
So we've been in it for the long haul.
And I think we will be here for,we just kind of look at each
other Oh, you're still here.
Really grateful to have that solid.
Kind of connection and have a goodfriend and, just experience the
ups and downs of life together.
So are you ready for my strengths?
(03:11):
I
JEN BANKS (03:12):
think that's a great idea that you asked people because it's true.
They can see a perspectivethat we might not notice right
TINA FALK (03:20):
away.
Yeah, or appreciate, or wonder ifanybody's even paying attention.
Integrity was from my husband.
He says in that, to him thatwas an all encompassing kind
of word, or characteristic.
And my daughter, she's 21, andshe's a very self motivated person.
(03:40):
She's Just super eager.
She's a quick learner and she just wantsto excel at everything that she does.
And she said, I'm a doer.
She says, you don't just talk about thingsand not do them like you make it happen.
And I was like, wow I definitelycan feel that in myself.
All that other talk that, doesn'twant to make things happen, think make
(04:01):
things happen, happens internally.
So I definitely make surethat when I do speak, it has.
It has context to it.
It has purpose to it.
It's got direction and it's motivatingrather than just speak to be speaking.
I'm not good at small talk.
I don't think it serves the soul, totalk about weather and stuff like that.
I like what you're doing here to godeep and, get to know people more.
(04:25):
And then my friend, who's a colleagueof mine he said, you're wisdom.
And I was like, he said, you'reone of the wisest people I know.
And I thought where does that come from?
And I wonder what that meanswithout asking him to elaborate.
And I think it's my intuition.
I really lean into that and have sloweddown my life, my day enough that I
(04:50):
can Be really aware of those fleeting,subtle, intuitive hits when they happen.
And I don't miss them.
And so I work on that and it'spart of the work that I do.
Wow,
JEN BANKS (05:02):
that's fascinating.
Thank you for sharing.
And it's neat that they allthree go together, I feel like.
Because with integrity, and being a doer,you're doing what you know needs to happen
and what you've said is going to happen.
And then also your intuition is livingin alignment with who you really are.
And sharing that with others.
Thank you.
That was neat to get a littledeep dive into your strengths.
TINA FALK (05:23):
Thank you.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (05:26):
So what are some of the hats that you wear day to day?
TINA FALK (05:30):
There are two main hats that I think that I wear
and I think that we all wear.
And they are teacher and student.
I think we vacillate.
I think it's a thin line sometimes.
Sometimes we're dancing the line,especially with our kids, especially
with, clients or spouses of am I inthe teacher role right now and it's
(05:52):
for me to share or somebody's asked me.
for help or insights or whatever,or am I supposed to be the student?
Even if it is a two year old or a 21year old, am I, what am I here to learn?
And so I always see everyopportunity as me being the student.
(06:12):
I feel like I'm a perpetual student and Idon't like giving up that role, but in my
career, I'm a teacher and the third role,which is fairly new for me, just seven
months, I'm a grandma and I think that'sa big role and I tell my, I tell, I've
told a couple of people, I think that'swhat I was born to be a grandma to this
(06:35):
little baby and any more that are to come.
That's
JEN BANKS (06:38):
awesome.
I love your unique take on that.
I feel like.
That's an answer that I wouldn't alwaysexpect, so I love how you put that.
We are the teacher and the student,and then of course that grandmother
TINA FALK (06:48):
role that's so exciting.
I have a lot to learn fromthis little one, I'm sure.
JEN BANKS (06:53):
Right?
Isn't that fascinating how much they teach
TINA FALK (06:55):
us?
If we just get out of the way.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (06:58):
What are your core values?
This might go along with strikes, butwhat do you feel like you most value
TINA FALK (07:04):
in life?
I think that's really, it's a man, Imean, there's so many, of course with my
business, I've created some core values,but for me, it's to be in gratitude
to find, the golden thread, the goldennugget, whatever the gift in everything.
I'm often made fun of because I'm thankingthe person who cut me off on the road.
(07:27):
Oh, thanks for reminding me to slow down.
Thanks for, telling me, and sometimesit's several, on one little road trip.
It's okay, what is the message here?
Gratitude, I think, is something thatkeeps me from focusing on the negative
or the lower vibration of thingsand getting kind of lost in that.
(07:49):
When it's no there's always, right?
We always, even when we go throughsomething rough, even if it's a moment
or a year or a lifetime, we can really,I think if we really were honest and
reflected, we become different orwe become better or we become wiser
or more welcoming or understanding.
I mean, there's so many greatthings that come out of things.
(08:11):
So gratitude is a big one for me.
JEN BANKS (08:14):
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
And I feel like it's interestingthat you say that because I've
been focusing on that a lot latelyand it keeps coming up everywhere.
So thank you again for the reminderto just have gratitude in any
circumstance because you're right.
We can learn something orbe led to do something else
because of what happens to us.
Yeah.
Along with that, when have youexperienced some adversity and how did
(08:38):
it refine you or shape your character?
TINA FALK (08:40):
There's one that really stands out.
I've been sitting with this questionfor a few days now, and I keep thinking,
Oh, there's gotta be something else.
And it keeps like for, so for, okay, thisconversation, I'm needing to say this.
And of course, whenever we hit a pointof challenge or adversity, it's not.
It's not a comfortable conversation.
It's not like a placethat I want to go to.
(09:03):
And I'm also very conscious thatit's not a story that defines me.
That it's not, something that, thattriggers me, to do the work around that.
To do the healing and the integrationthat needs to happen so that I become
whole and complete because of whathappened rather than feeling like
I'm Disjointed or disconnected ormisunderstanding or any of that stuff.
(09:25):
And about eight years ago, I was 50 and Ihad some interactions with my dad and it's
always been a really tough relationship.
It's very, it's been a very confusingrelationship about how he's treated
me and how I think he's perceived me.
(09:46):
And it's always felt, mademe feel very uncomfortable.
And about eight years ago, I was havinga conversation with a family member,
who's also a nurse, and I was explainingto her this relationship, and she was
like, Oh my gosh, Tina, I am so sorry.
I had no idea that you, hewas treating you this way.
(10:07):
I thought you guys wereclose, and I'm like, God, no.
I wanted us to be close, and So she'smade a comment and it changed my life.
She said, I wonder if he hasnarcissistic personality disorder.
And of course it's not a diagnosis.
But my life flashed before myeyes standing in my kitchen.
(10:31):
All of these memories of being a child andhaving these experiences with him, whether
it was just me and him, or my brotherwas there and we're out doing something.
My parents were divorced whenI was five, so it was, visiting
dad every other weekend.
It all of a sudden dawnedon me, it wasn't me.
(10:51):
It wasn't my fault he didn't love me.
I had been working, tryingreally hard for 50 years.
To be seen, to be understood,to be heard, to be loved.
And he didn't have that capacity.
It wasn't within him to do that.
And oh, I mean, it was a whirlwind.
(11:12):
And still, once in a while, amemory will come up of us doing
something, which to me might feellike, oh, that was a good memory.
Not that I want to taint those memorieswith, What I know now, but it makes sense.
It makes sense why he did these things,or had to stand out, or trying to
one up mom, or, that kind of thing.
But just to make sure I reached outto a long time family friend on that
(11:35):
side, who's a psychologist, and Isaid, I just want to explain this.
He's he said the same thing as my mom.
Oh my gosh, Tina, I had no idea.
I thought you guys were really close.
And I said, I just want to make surethat I'm making the right decision
for the right reason and I'm notjust making an easy choice to go no
contact because I felt that was thesafest thing for me and my kids.
(12:00):
And when I asked him, I said, does hehave narcissistic personality disorder?
And he said, absolutely.
Without a shadow of a doubt.
Yes.
And of course we don't, I know, he'smy dad's not going to go in and get.
a diagnosis or even go to therapy, eventhough it's been recommended in the past.
(12:21):
It gave me such a sense of freedomand power to say, I have a choice now.
I don't have to stay connected to this.
Harmful person or in thisharmful relationship and I can
move on and it was terrifying.
It was absolutely terrifying.
Of course I questioned if I wasmaking the right decision for years.
(12:44):
My kids couldn't understand becausehe was the great fun grandpa, he
did the fun things and he gavethem money and all that stuff.
And so it was a tough couple years.
But as time went on.
He wasn't reaching out.
He wasn't texting.
He wasn't even reaching out to thekids, sending cards or anything.
So it was like, within a yearand a half, it was like, Oh, he's
(13:05):
already moved on to another family.
We don't even exist.
I haven't heard from him since.
And so it was to have that reallysad aha moment was also very freeing
because it's, I thought it was me.
I thought I wasn't lovable, causethere was conditions on everything.
(13:28):
And there was insults if my hairwasn't cut right or if I gained
too much weight or whatever.
And it was such a gift to meto finally have that moment.
Of course, there's parts of methat's like, why didn't somebody say
this 30 years ago or 40 years ago?
So I'm not sure if that answersyour question as far as adversity.
(13:49):
But that, for some reason, that story orthat, that share is, has been standing
out the most the last couple days for me.
JEN BANKS (13:59):
Yeah.
Wow.
Thank you for sharing that.
Shaping your whole life and just,it's made you who you are, the way
that you've responded to it or theway that you're now responding to
it and just unpacking all of that.
Wow.
My mom, I recently, like you, realizedthat she Has a level of emotional
immaturity and again, it was kind of justlike a light bulb moment that oh Maybe
(14:23):
this is why we've been butting headsthis whole time, And this is why I've
sought connection other places becauseshe wasn't able to meet that need for me.
So yeah, thank you for sharing.
I'm sure that will I love how youjust stuck with your intuition to
share that because I know it willbenefit a listener or even me as I
TINA FALK (14:40):
reflect on it.
It's an interesting topic, if youdon't mind, when I was talking to
that psychologist ten, eight yearsago, it's, he said, you just watch, he
said, in the next ten years, psychologyis coming out of the dark ages, and
you're going to start seeing, newawareness and new treatment plans.
And we're already seeing that, right?
(15:00):
We're seeing, whether it's the ketaminetrials or these psychedelic, to help
people with PTSD or end of life care.
And even the talk about narcissism.
He was very clear with me.
He says, narcissism is a spectrum.
It's a, and you can be anywhere.
We're in, we're all narcissistic.
We all have to have that trait.
It's what helps us stay alive.
It's what keeps us alive becausewe feel like we deserve to be here.
(15:24):
I deserve to, to be living.
But of course there's those differentkinds of narcissistic behaviors and
we're really quick to call peoplenarcissistic, but being narcissistic
and having the personality disorder.
is quite different, it's apowerful, invasive relationship.
(15:47):
It's a tough relationship becauseI don't think, when you're in
it, usually it's sensitive peoplewho are the other side of that.
And you're the one that's made to feellike you're not reading the room right.
You're the crazy one, andwhat are you talking about?
Oftentimes it's too late, or it'sso late in the game that it's wow,
there's been so much damage done.
(16:10):
So thanks for letting me share that.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (16:14):
Speaking of alternative healing in different ways, let's
move into what you do for your work.
TINA FALK (16:19):
Yeah.
So I I do, I, I, it's so weird tosay I'm a feng shui practitioner
because, but that's what I do.
It's one of the things I do because alot of people have You know a specific
idea of what they think it is or they'relike you do what you know They don't
know at all what I do and so it'syou know That just kind of feeds into
my whole first 50 years of my life.
(16:41):
Let's just go through life feelingmisunderstood I have to explain myself.
It's people still don'tget it But that's fine.
It's that's part of what I do So yeah,I do Chinese astrology And Chinese
metaphysics being beyond the physical.
So it's really looking at people,who they are through Chinese
(17:03):
astrology, their natal chart.
And then making sure that theirrelationships and their space, whether
it's a workspace or your home that it'ssupporting you, specifically your chart.
There's a lot of feng shui that'svery cookie cutter, and this is what
you're supposed to do, and these arethe do's and don'ts, and that doesn't
work, because we're all so unique.
(17:26):
I've done I've been doing this since 2005.
In 2012, my feng shuimaster gifted me her school.
She says, I want you to continue teaching.
And I've seen, I've beenin a lot of people's homes.
I've been in people's businesses.
I've done probably 1400 chart readings.
And there's no such thing as normal.
(17:49):
Everybody's so different.
And we need to start understandingourselves deeper and appreciating
each other and understand one another.
with a different perspective.
We kind of come in knowing what weknow, but I'll tell you what, when
somebody can sit down with theirspouse or with their children and
do chart readings, it's, it just is.
(18:11):
People just are like, Oh mygosh, this explains everything.
People have tears running down their faceor, Oh, my husband's not just a jerk.
He's just born that way or whatever.
There's, it's just such a powerfultool and I just love what I do.
And I don't consult as much as I used to,cause I spend a lot of my time teaching.
Shui practitioners.
(18:34):
And thanks to Zoom, it makes it easierfor me to reach people all over the world.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (18:40):
So why the draw to Chinese astrology, or how
did you get into it yourself?
TINA FALK (18:46):
Oh, that's a good question.
I had studied with a Buddhist meditationmaster for four years in the late 1900s.
That's so funny to say.
And when he, when it was, whenour time was done, it was a very
exclusive, esoteric, small group.
And he had never taughtwhite people before.
That's what he would say.
(19:06):
I always, he said, I alwaystaught slant eyed people.
He was Vietnamese.
And so he taught a very small group.
And after four years, he left.
He came to our homesand blessed our altars.
And he just kind of disappeared.
And I felt like therewas this kind of gap.
There was just kind of this, what's next?
What can I do with this?
And I was sitting in afeng shui class workshop.
(19:29):
This girl was giving and she said, Shekept referring to her feng shui master
and I had already known some stuff aboutfeng shui over the years and she kept
referring to her master and I after theworkshop I said do you mind if I ask who
this is and she's because back then youknow it was you know Traveling to the
East Coast or the West Coast and spendinglots of money and making that work.
(19:53):
And my kids were young at the time.
And she said, yeah, shelives in Draper, Utah.
And I'm like, what?
That's crazy.
So I, she said, you'll love her.
Give her a call.
So I gave her a call and I reached outto her and she invited me over to her
house to have a, just a meet and greet.
Cause I said, I'd loveto be in your class.
And she said we don'teven know each other yet.
(20:14):
Let's see if we click.
And I thought, wow, that'skind of, seemed a little harsh.
I'm kind of sensitive.
So I was sitting in her living roomand she just started asking, she
started asking me my birth information.
And I, Jen, I didn't knowthere was Chinese astrology.
So I didn't know what I was getting into.
I thought I was just going totake some feng shui workshop.
(20:36):
And she started asking me my birthinformation completely out of context.
I didn't know what she was Andshe said where were you born?
And I'm thinking, you're notgoing to know where this is.
It's not like I could say I was bornin LA or, Provo, Utah or anything.
I can, cause I'm born in thislittle town in Eastern Wyoming.
And she's, she said, where were you born?
(20:57):
Cause you need to have thatinformation when you pull a chart.
What longitude latitudeand that kind of thing.
And I told her, and she said,I said, Newcastle, Wyoming.
And I said, but my, I wasn't from there.
My dad is from Upton andmy mom is from Sundance.
And she completely froze.
She stopped writing, she wouldn't lookup, and it was very uncomfortable.
(21:21):
And she looked up and shesaid, who is your dad?
And I said, I said my dad's name,and she flew out of her chair.
She said, oh my gosh, Iwanted to marry your dad.
Is he still single?
If he is, I'm not, but I'll make it work.
So here I am, 40, I'm 40 years old,sitting in her living room and She grew
(21:47):
up in the same little 400 people town asmy dad, and she told me a story, she says,
when I was 12, my first job was workingfor your grandmother in the newspaper.
Your grandma paid me 50 cents an hour.
So here I am full circle.
She said, I know it was yourgrandma that brought us together
because she was my first mentor.
(22:11):
And so that's how I wasintroduced to Chinese astrology.
I wasn't really into the Western stuff.
I knew people who were.
I had readings done, but theChinese astrology is such a
tangible, it's metaphorical.
It's very literal.
It's very easy for people to connect.
It resonates because you're talkingabout the Chinese zodiac animals.
(22:34):
Also talking about the five Chineseelements and people can connect to
that because it's in their world.
And then you you include the fengshui, so when you're walking away
from a Chinese astrology reading, it'snot oh that was cool, but now what?
The feng shui aspect gives it likehere's what you can do to help
balance your chart out, or to helpyou understand or make some decisions.
(22:59):
Sorry, that was kind of a longway to tell you how that's how
I got into Chinese Astrology.
JEN BANKS (23:04):
Good, it was fascinating.
So interesting how things connect.
You say you mostly do teaching right now.
You do some consulting on the side?
TINA FALK (23:13):
I work I do have a directory on my website that can
direct people to my graduates.
They're all over the place andpeople work remotely these days.
Especially for home consultations.
I love to work with businesses.
To even if it's just the managementteam or the ownership team to
just, look at each other's charts,understand each other's strengths
(23:33):
because a lot of times we're puttingpeople in positions and their chart
doesn't really suit that position andthey'd be better served over here.
Make sure that they're in the rightoffice, that the space is laid out
and that they really understand,how, who they are as a team or a
collective or just partnership.
There's so much room there for.
(23:54):
for you to really see and make someshifts so that the success of the
business, the success of the team andthe people, that it's more well rounded.
And I do a lot of chart readings.
I love to do chart readings.
I learn so much from everysingle chart reading I do.
It's so exciting for me.
And I have people that do like afirst time full reading and all of
(24:18):
them are recorded and then they'lldo annual follow ups because the
energy is constantly changing.
So we want to be aware of whatthe shift is and how your chart's
going to be affected by it.
JEN BANKS (24:30):
Speaking of energy and working with businesses, I feel like that's a
new concept to me and I've Only recentlyentered the entrepreneurial world.
And it's interesting that really we dointeract so differently and we all have
different strengths and things thatwe bring to the table and things that
drain our energy and fill our energy.
So it's neat to see how youcan help businesses and how
(24:51):
that can really affect things.
Is there a quote or mantra thatguides what you do or comes to mind?
TINA FALK (24:58):
Yeah, there's one I absolutely, I hear it in my head quite often.
It's not like I go around saying it veryoften, but it's definitely something, and
it's a quote by Rumi, and I know Rumi'sreally popular, but it really comes
down to that quote that's, out beyondfields of wrongdoing and rightdoing.
(25:19):
There's a field in the middle.
I will meet you there.
I'm really uncomfortable when somebody'scoming from an extreme standpoint because
that extreme standpoint is so far overthere that I feel like I have to counter
that and hold the other to find thebalance, to find the middle ground, to
(25:40):
bring us both center because when I'mjust standing in the center and somebody
wants to pull me to their side it'seasier to grab me and pull me into that.
I just, that gray area in the middleis so much more room for flexibility,
accountability, appreciation, connection,rather than, I, it, the world is just
(26:02):
so extreme right now, and it's, we can'tlive in extremes for long periods of time.
When we're living in extreme settingsour decisions are based on fear.
They're not based on long term.
This is, this would be good forus five or 10 years down the road.
It's right now I'm in dire straitsand I need to get off the ship
(26:23):
or I need to, do something.
So that's my favorite is Ilike to live in the middle.
Yeah.
JEN BANKS (26:29):
I like that.
It's very wise, as your friend said, Iwant to take it one level further too.
And I feel like I've been caught alot in the all or nothing mindset.
And so again, coming to themiddle is a lot more possibility
and openness and just.
Instead of being closed off orexpectations too high, those
(26:49):
types of things, I'm goingto write a book in April.
And sometimes I think Oh, it'sgoing to tank or it's going to
be a New York times bestseller.
It's but there's so much inbetween yeah, not my mom.
So it could heal my relationship withher or I can meet different people or
learn different skill sets, so I likethat reminder again, to just be in
the middle, not the extremes and just.
Keep it like
(27:11):
that.
TINA FALK (27:12):
Do you have a favorite quote?
JEN BANKS (27:14):
That's a good question.
I feel like, yeah, people ask me allthe time because I am a quote collector,
and I, quotes really resonate with me.
Let me think.
I shared one just the other day onanother episode, so I'm trying to
think if I can share a differentone to finish that up, but,
TINA FALK (27:30):
um,
That's a
JEN BANKS (27:31):
good question.
I will keep thinking about that, butin the meantime I'll have you share
your website and where people can find
TINA FALK (27:38):
you.
Okay, so I'll spell it out because fengshui is, not in the English language.
So my website is fengshuivia.
me, that's F E N G.
S H U I V I A, all one word, dot me.
So feng shui via me.
(28:00):
So that's a great place togo and kind of snoop around.
Also, just my name, Tina Falk.
I have a YouTube channel that's got,energy updates each month or some
feng shui tips and some conversations.
We even do some I have a couplecolleagues, we've pulled charts, we've
done a group of charts like presidentsand we've done serial killers and
cult leaders and that kind of stuff.
(28:23):
So that's kind of funto sit in and listen to.
And then I'm on Instagramtoo, Via Feng Shui.
That's the name of my school and thename of my business is Via Feng Shui.
JEN BANKS (28:33):
Great.
Thank you for sharing that.
I am excited to learn morefrom you in the future as well.
I love connections.
I feel like I get to be selfishwith this podcast because I meet so
many unique people and then I alsoget to share those connections.
So yeah,
TINA FALK (28:47):
this is okay.
JEN BANKS (28:49):
I can't think of a favorite one.
There's so many that just come to mind.
So I'll just share one that'son my fridge right now.
And it's in preparation for St.
Patrick's day and it says lucky as a mind.
And so kind of going along with yourgratitude that We get to decide what
our circumstances mean for us, and justliving in the gratitude of whatever we're
(29:10):
going through and that it's a choice.
TINA FALK (29:13):
Love that.
JEN BANKS (29:15):
Great.
Thank you for coming on and sharingyour wisdom and what you do.
And I will talk to you in the
TINA FALK (29:22):
future.
Thanks so much, Jen.
It's just been a pleasure.
Have a great day.
JEN BANKS (29:26):
You too.
Thank you to Blane at Ride the Wave Media.
There's a website coming soon for Ridethe Wave, but in the meantime you can look
up other podcasts by Ride the Wave Media.
There are so many great ones and it is St.
Patrick's Day in the UnitedStates, so I will say that I am
lucky to have him and his team.
I will talk to you next week.
(29:47):
Thank you!
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