Ep. 12 - Marissa Huber-East - From Lullabies to Legends: Joy, Growth, and Loss Through Music - A Life in Six Songs

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of A
Life in Six Songs.
I am your host, David Rees, andI'm joined by my co-host,
Carolina and Raza.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hey, hey.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello For those of you new to our podcast, each
week we embark on an epicjourney to find the songs that
are stuck to us like audibletattoos, that tell the story of
who we are and where we've been,to help us figure out where
we're going.
It's a life story told throughsix songs.
We approach our conversationswith love, kindness and

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curiosity to counter theprevalence of hate, anger and
judgment in the world.
Our goal is that, by listeningto these stories, you can bring
more love, kindness andcuriosity into your own life.
With that, let's go have alisten together.
Our guest today is MarissaHuber-East.
Marissa wears many hats, but herfavorite is being a mom to her

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kids, henry and Sloan, and herchocolate lab, max.
She is a connector of people,ideas and resources and uses
that in her professional careeras a consulting director,
focusing on workplace strategyand employee experience and
culture.
In 2015, marissa founded CarveOut Time for Art, a community of
approximately 33,000 people onInstagram, and in 2020, she

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co-authored the Motherhood ofArt with Heather Kirtland to
inspire other artists' mothersto find time for their
creativity.
In her free time, marissacycles around interests and
passion projects, includingpainting, drawing, writing,
coaching creatives, embroideringand hanging out with her kids.
Being kind and a good humandeeply matters to her and what
she most wants to pass along toher kids.

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She lives back down in SouthFlorida with her artist husband,
kids and mom, after 18 yearsaway in Indiana and Philly.
Marissa, welcome to A Life inSix Songs.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Hi, I'm so happy to be here.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
To warm us up a little bit before we actually
get into your six.
Briefly, just what role doesmusic play in your life?
How do you see music fittinginto your life?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, it's funny because I was thinking about it.
I love music and doing thisprocess I was reminded of how
important it is.
But if I had to pick, I wasalways reading as a kid.
So in some ways I would thinkthat it's reading and then music
to me.
But I realized music is just,probably it's always the

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background, but it's it'smemories, it's connecting, it's
bringing people together, um, soI think that I think it is
really important and I thinkit's more of my identity than I
realized you know, looking backyeah, for sure, for sure like
like bonding over bands.
you like, like rosa, that's howwe we would bond in ninth grade
together hanging out talkingabout white zombie or guns and
roses, and we're just likelearning new bands and having

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albums that you listen to inyour friend's rooms and you know
, read all the notes andmemorize all the songs and like
those things just kind of Idon't know.
Just, it's a part of who youare and your chemistry and it
comes back later.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
The way you're describing it almost sounds like
how, when they talk about how afish thinks about water, right,
it's necessary for them, butthey don't necessarily aren't
aware of it all the time.
It's just there, and so, likeyou said, it's this thing that's
always there and it's a way toconnect with people and, you
know, tell our stories and allthose types of things.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
So yeah thank you for sharing connection and I think
when we were, when we weregearing up for this season, you
know, we we think of people whowe kind of innately associate
with with music, that are alsonow, you know, as adults doing,
doing really cool things whichI'm sure we'll get to I was like
, yep, white zombie marissagotta gotta see if she's up for

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this oh well, and it's funny, Iwas packing up some things and I
I saved the drawing you madefor me, which was such a kind
gesture I'll send you a pictureI was like I took a picture.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, because it's like if a friend makes something
for me that's cool.
Yeah, it was awesome.
You're so good at drawinganyway thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Thank you, rosa the artist.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I didn't know that's a new dude super talented at
many things, yeah, musician,artist, lawyer and reasonably
okay at all of those, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
There, you go.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I same.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Little jack of all trades.
Nah, you've done fantastic work.
I haven't touched drawing orart, that kind of art drawing,
sketching, painting since highschool actually.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think that's okay though.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, it's there, it's in there, but I think
guitars are more fun these days.
Yeah, it's there, it's in there, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think, guitars are more fun these days.
Yeah, exactly, multi-passionate, it's all art, exactly, all
expression, all right.
Well, with that, I'm going tokick it over to Carolina, who's
going to quarterback ourquestions for us today, carolina
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So, to kick us off with your first song, we're
going to start at the beginning.
What is your earliest musicmemory?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So my dad, who has since passed, but he would sing
to us when we went to sleep allthe time and he had a pretty
good voice and he would singlike Yesterday's by the Beatles,
but the song that was our songwas Rainbow Connection by Kermit
the Frog and he would say, likethis is going to, this is our
song, and when you get married,when I was like I don't want to
get married, he's like we'lldance to it and we did like we

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danced to it and like that'salways been our song and it
always would make me cry.
But it's a special one to me.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Awesome, let's take a find it the rainbow connection.
The lovers, the dreamers and me.
All of us under its spell.
We know that it's probablymagic.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
How does it feel listening to it now?
How?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
does it feel?
Listening to it now it just, Imean, it just brings me back to
just.
You know like sitting in thedark, you know, cuddled up with
my brother would be there too.
You know he would put us to bed.
It was just like a special time.
You know he was at like workall day but he would always make
like bedtime rituals fun, likehe'd be like all right, we're
going to walk like trains.
You know like we're going to bea choo choo train and go to your

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room or like ET, and he wasalways really playful and I try
to bring that into my parentingsomehow, but I liked that.
It was like like when I look atthe words and listen to it,
it's a really hopeful song andit's kind of shows about.
You know it's good to dream andhave like, think about rainbows
and find the beauty in things.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
What was it like dancing with him at your wedding
to this song, having it beenlike I mean, that moment is
going to be powerful regardless,but it being this song that was
, you know, set so far in thepast.
What was that?
What was that like?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
you know, set so far in in the past.
What was that?
What was that?
Like it was, I was basicallycry the entire time, but my dad
was also like kind of like areal, like new jersey, like pain
in the ass as well so he wouldhe had this big soft heart.
But he'd also be like oh youknow, don't make a big fuss, I'm
like dude and like he was beingsilly and like swirling me
around and it was just like itwas so much fun we had a great
time and we were just nerds, youknow, and you know just, it was

(07:50):
nice to just be together andhave that moment, you know?
Yeah, I love that.
But I wanted to say one thingabout.
It's funny.
So you mentioned, I think Ilistened in one of your maybe
Raza and yours you, I think Ilistened in one of your maybe
Raza and yours you're talkingabout like the Count and the
Muppets and Jason Segel and okay, so love the Muppets, core

(08:10):
memory like one of our favorites.
And when I was in Palm Springsin 2020, I am a big fan of Jason
Segel and I randomly saw him ata hotel and I was like, oh my
gosh right.
I was like, but I just wantedto be like I didn't want to
bother him, but I also wanted tojust show like how much that
meant to us and like hispuppeteering.
So I'm like I'm not going to sayanything, but I walked, I like

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ran past and I just said I loveyour puppeteering and like
wanted to just not bother himand ran past.
But he stopped and he's like ohmy gosh, thank you so much.
And then my, my one of my bestfriends.
She's like I'm so sorry, can Iplease take a picture?

Speaker 4 (08:43):
and I was like no, and he's like yeah just just
quickly.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
But and he's smiling in this picture and I'm glaring
like stop it, heather.
And it's this funny, likethere's a picture that looks
like I'm so mad to be askedright, right, you're the
celebrity being bothered that'sawesome, carolina, that was.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
That was like your, one of your I don't know, not
life goals, but certainlysomething that you kind of asked
the universe for right, like arun-in with Jason Segel to just
say, hey, love your stuff.
And then I remember youmentioning that once.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I just listened to your podcast recently.
That's why it's fresh in mymind.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
But I was like this is so funny of my mind, but this
is so funny because it was,because it was because raza,
your typo negative.
His voice reminded me of jasonsiegel's voice in the vampire in
the dracula opera yes and yeah,that was like such a silly like
scene.
But also I was just like I'msorry, but this musical is kind
of amazing, like I was blownaway by it yeah, yeah, and the

(09:44):
same stuff with.
I think sorry, david.
I'll finish this again.
The same stuff with Kermit.
I feel like there's a lot ofyou know, children's songs and
children's like things that areput out there and Disney stuff,
but like I felt like Kermit as acharacter was like the kindest
soul.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
And his like pure and deep love for miss piggy and
like just I, don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Kermit is, just like, special among puppets, yeah,
children's characters yeah,special kind, but also like wise
, but kind of like notoverbearing about it in ways you
know.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, totally, and I think just about like how
it's funny, like as a parent nowI'm conscious of what music are
we playing that are part of ourkids memory and what they
remember and like I do rememberlike music being around um, you
know playing records sometimesand, just like you're like
absorbing it and it becomes partof, like your history and

(10:38):
identity of, or your preferencesperhaps growing up, was your
house sort of you know, full ofmusic, you know via your parents
, or was it just like likerandom, you know, like just
watching Sesame Street, and thenyou know one, one song just
seems to resonate.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I, you know, like there I had a little Fisher
Price Price record player that Icould play and I would like put
in records and dance to themand I was.
I was telling my kid last nightI was like I couldn't listen to
the back album of a bambibecause it was the fire and the
you know scary part and I wouldalways like hide that.
You know, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
But so I remember playing records a lot and then
sometimes my parents would, or,like you know, cassette tapes
from like footloose or you knowwhatever was going on it's great
yeah dancing to these mixtapesfor sure yeah, I was just gonna
say I, I really appreciate thatstory about, um, you know,
running into a celebrity likethat and your approach to it,

(11:35):
because, uh, one I'm just, I'msimilar in that way.
I, I I see celebrities just aspeople doing their thing, and I
feel a lot of times people getlike they're like some special
kind of being that they somehowwant to like take a picture with
and like be like look, I metthis person and I just think,
you know, especially with thissong like the rainbow connection
, and it's about dreaming andfollowing your dreams and those

(11:57):
types of things, and I feel likethose people that make it to
celebrity that we know that allthey're doing right, they are
just have been following that,and so, you know, in in another
way.
I think we put, you know,celebrities on pedestals in this
sense, but really it's like youknow, we, we should, like you
know, be inspired by them, notjust in awe of them.

(12:19):
I think henry rawlings said thatonce about celebrities.
He's just like you know.
Don't be in awe, be inspired,right.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I like that Well, cause they're just people.
They're just people, Right andand yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and it's like we can all.
We can all have dreams like bigand small, like it could be.
I want to learn how to makebread better and like.
Maybe you like and I look andyou also look at celebrities and
you think there are so many, sothere's probably a lot of
pressure and so many of themhave like issues or maybe like

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insecurities around their job orwhatever.
I feel like I'm luckier to nothave that pressure that others
might.
Caroline, I think you were goingto say something before.
What were you saying?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
No, I thought that came to mind for me just in
particular with Jason Segel, andthat movie and the the dracula
opera was like it felt like likethe whole movie was the whole
movie, but it felt and I don'tknow if this is true like I
don't know if he wrote thatpiece or what, but it felt like
that little piece was like jasonseagull being like this is who
I am, you know right, this is meright, I get to make this movie

(13:19):
, but I'm gonna put this piecein there because that's piece of
me.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
yeah, yeah, I really want to share that.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Maybe that's why, when you were like I love your
puppeteer, he was like you sawme like thank you.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
You know, you appreciated the real him Right.
A little tiny bit of real him.
Well, the fight and we, wedidn't.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
he's like I just want to stay on the down low, and
Absolutely so.
We walked away and then weprobably screamed in the parking
lot because I was completelyfangirling.
The funny thing was this wasMarch 2020, right before COVID.
My girlfriend and I Heather wehad just worked on a book, we
were about to launch it andwe're like 2020 is going to be

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our year.
This is the best we've ever.
I mean, it's awful.
The pandemic was terrible, butI have to laugh because it was
just so funny.
We're like we're going to goeverywhere in 2020.
So we go to the conference andwe're like we can't tell anybody
at Palm Springs because thenthey'll go bug him to her

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brother, who's like a theaterguy.
He goes.
I'm sorry, who are those?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
people.
Is that the couple who fixhouses?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
in Texas.
I'm just getting funnier.
I mean, we would just look ateach other and laugh all day
long.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
All right, let's move on to your next song.
What is a song for you thatjust opened you to an entirely
new perspective, and how did itdo this?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think I don't remember when I started
listening to like Tupac.
I mean, I always.
I always like different typesbut I put Keep your Head Up by
Tupac Shakur, if you don't knowhis last name.
I remember like probably Idon't know, maybe 10th grade,
just listening to his music andI liked the beats.
I always liked, you know, thebeats of things, but with his

(15:09):
work I always could.
I could always listen to thelyrics, because that's not what
I usually do, I usually likepulled into some bass or
whatever the songs are, and thenthe lyrics are second.
But I could always understandwhat he was saying and hear it
and what resonated with thewords he was saying, which was,
you know, I feel like it waslike an ode to Black women,

(15:31):
which I am not a Black woman,but as a woman, it resonated to
hear how he was talking aboutissues and women's rights and
sticking up for women and askingmen to kind of do better, and
also talking about, I would say,socioeconomic things that I'm
privileged to not have to dealwith as a two-parent household

(15:53):
having a home, good family, allof these things, disposable
income, and I mean I guess it.
Just I don't know if it openedmy eyes because I had seen
things before, but it reallymade me feel it more deeply to
hear it told as encouragement toother people, especially to
women.
I wonder why we take from ourwomen, why we rape our women.

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Do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill forour women, time to heal our
women, be real to our women, andif we don't, we'll have a race
of babies that will hate theladies and make the babies and

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since a man can't make one, hehas no right to tell a woman
when and where to create one.
So will the real men get up?
I know you're fed up, ladies.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
But keep it in.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Give me your petalooja, I think he was like
22 when he wrote that yeah, youknow Right right.
But I don't feel like there wasa lot of young men, I mean 22
years old.
There was not a lot of youngmen sitting here talking about
writing an ode to women, and healso talked about other things
in that song, but I just thoughtthat was really powerful, where

(17:09):
here's somebody who had, youknow, risen up pretty, I would
think, pretty quickly, and he'susing the platform to send a
positive message ofencouragement and hope and to
show people that I see, you, youknow, and the fact that his
music right now like what is it,uh, 25 years later or whatever-

(17:30):
yeah I mean I rememberlistening to some of his song
like changes around the pandemicand like the 2016 election or
2020 and stuff, and justthinking it all holds so true
right now.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
The song today, right now too yeah, yeah, I think for
his age, um, for the genre,right, we don't see a lot of
like progressive messages ofwomen's rights coming from male
hip-hop artists then or now.
Um, and I hear you that, likejust the way he would rap was so

(18:03):
clear, I could understand hislyrics too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, for sure Like a storytelling versus you know,
like and all types are fun.
You know and I want to.
I would say like giving a shoutout to like Tribe Called Quest
and like other people who weredefinitely doing more positive
messages as well, but versuslike just you know know, like
gangster rap or somethingperhaps right right, it's great
that he could do both.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean he was associated with the like the
west coast.
You know I'm not going to callit gangster rap, but but he was
there, was there, was there wasdefinitely things that were not
sort of activist related, thatwere also that he was also part
of, and knew him, and snoop and,and and the west coast um guys
I love.
I think that that's also part ofand knew him and Snoop and and
the West coast guys I love.
I think that that's the purposeof art, right, it's.

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It's to give a voice and toallow artists to express stuff
and and and put out there.
But then it's cool, this is,this is the receiving end of
things.
I mean, and you're absolutelyright, you know, we I don't
think any of us have experienceddirectly the stuff that maybe
Tupac experienced as a child andhow he was brought up and

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things like that.
But I think it's great to getthat perspective, to at least
appreciate it and acknowledge it.
I see that in art all the time.
It's what's really's, it'swhat's really really a great
thing about art.
It's just being able to seeother people's perspectives and
and and at least know about it.
You don't have to, you don'thave to experience it directly,

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but but but to just know thatit's out there.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and I think I mean that's one of the most
perhaps.
But like if you see a painting,if you see a film even if
you're watching like a Netflixshow and you can see what a
character is or a book, you canenter into an understanding,
like if you're open to it, youcan really get outside of
yourself and say like I mightnot understand how somebody

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could be X, but if you can get agist of that and understand
like that, that sticks with youand I can think that can help
the world in a way.
Understand like that thatsticks with you and I can think
that can help the world in a way.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, for sure.
And I think that's where, likeyou know the, you know dominant
society, you know the, the, thewhite dominant society, when you
know gangster rap and hip hopand rap in general was coming up
.
You know they, they didn't getit in ways because I think in a
lot of people's minds it waslike these people were

(20:26):
pretending, right, they'retrying to be tough and talk
about this kind of street kindof cred or whatever.
And when you realize that thesewere real artists sharing their
experiences it's not this likepretending, like we're trying to
be tougher than we are, like awhite kid in the suburbs whose
life is pretty comfortable andstuff, and it's like I'm hard
and stuff, and it's like, no,they're talking about like the

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real experiences they're goingthrough.
And you know, tupac is someonefor me who is like I.
You know, obviously we allheard it growing up and things
like that, but it wasn't onethat I was like going to a lot
to listen to and I rememberbeing like man.
Why is everyone so crazy aboutTupac and stuff?
And just over the years, asI've come across it more and

(21:09):
more and doing things like thisand hearing it, you just see it
and, like you said, marissa, itjust stands the test of time so
well that you're like, wow,really, really just genius
writing and rapping and all ofit, so yeah yeah, he did a good
job, I think, at likearticulating things, where it

(21:29):
walked between like very highlevel, uh, like you could tell
he he knew what he was talkingabout with some things and I
know he was like risen, his momwas an activist and such right
right like, but then it alsolike could just anybody, anybody
could access that Like?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
it didn't feel so highbrow, it's like you're going
to talk about maybe acomplicated concept or whatever,
whether he knew a lot aboutthat or not, but then it could
be accessible by anybody whomight not even know about that.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
I think I think he also had just like a depth and
breadth of talent, like he madea lot of different kinds of of
songs.
You know, this was like muchslower, more like melodic, more
an ode to, you know, women,there was like more harder core
stuff to say, like he wasn't aperfect individual.
He had he made mistakes therewere.

(22:18):
You know he had problematicmoments in his life, his life
but he always also had likemoments of empathy and clarity
and justice and like yeah, yeah,he was he was kind of human and
human way absolutely, or he lethis humanity like come through
with music yeah, yeah, I mean hewas a good actor.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Thinking back to yes, yeah, yeah he was that too
totally, and I think it alsogoes back to what we were
talking about with Jason Segelin the previous song.
You know of what we want fromour celebrities, right?
Or artists, or our, you know,people we all admire or in awe
of or whatever.
We want to say that we feel theneed to have them be perfect in

(22:59):
ways right, and when they'renot, we're somehow like, oh,
that's, you know, now I can'tlisten to them anymore, or
something like that.
Right, you know, it's likethere's, there's a part where
it's like, no, we're allcomplicated individuals and
things, and why would theseartists that rise up and speak
to so many of us be anydifferent?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, sure no.
And I have noticed that, likeyou look at in the world or film
or which I don't evennecessarily want to get into
today, but I'm like because it'svery complex.
It's like you can appreciatesomeone's art and then just be
like oh my gosh, wow, thisperson has done some really
terrible things.
And how do we blend that?

(23:39):
And it's better not to beobsessed with celebrities and
hear everything about them andjust have the music or art stand
alone, but it does tarnish it Ican for sure, and I think each
one of us has to make thatdecision for ourselves, right of
like.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Maybe somebody does something that crosses a line
for you where you're like I justcan't listen to their music or
watch their movies anymore,because I just can't.
I it's too much to be able tokeep it separate in that sense.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
So yeah, exactly yeah , I think someone in the night I
think it was a um, an nbaplayer may have been charles
barkley, but famous famouslysaid if we don't know the actual
story, let's not name names.
And but I love charles barkleyall right, a, a, um, a celebrity

(24:25):
from the nineties who shallremain, uh, nameless, uh.
But some will definitely saidyou know, I'm not a role model
but you know, don't judge me forfor what?
I for what?
I for what I do outside ofwhichever entertainment you know
, um avenue that I'm known for,it's like let me do my job, um,
but then the stuff that happensoutside of this entertainment
sphere, don't?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
you know, I'm not a role model, yeah, I could see
dennis rodman saying somethinglike that yeah, yeah, but I
remember, we don't know I'm notsaying he said it, I'm
speculating that it sounds likehe's yeah yeah, that's gotta be
weird.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But speaking of meeting celebrities, one of my
good friends saw Charles Barkleyand he was in front of her at
the Acme, bagging his owngroceries and gave her a high
five.
Nice, I do love him and Shaqand their friendship and how
they just make fun of each otheroh, they're relentless.
It makes me laugh so hard.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, and I've seen Kevin Hart get in the middle, in
the middle of that too, andhe'll, he'll, he'll get both of
them.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, see, we need.
I think we need like humor, andlaughter is so important, I
think, in life, because it justit makes those hard moments, it
makes life worth living.
You know, it brings us together, it makes us laugh.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, totally All right, let's let's move us ahead
.
Lots of times, we can associatemusic with just a particular
moment in our lives, and so forthis next song, what is a song
that was a part of just kind oflike a perfect moment where
everything just felt right?

(26:00):
What was the song and what wasthe moment?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I chose.
There's a band, neutral MilkHotel, who I hadn't heard about.
But there was this one summerin Indiana where I went to
college and I met my now husband.
There we worked in an art storetogether and we were just
hanging out with all of ourpainter friends.
Everybody had graduated, it wasthe summertime and we were just
having fun.

(26:24):
We were just hanging out in thestudios and this song was just
in the background, was likeplaying in someone's studio or
like we would be driving aroundand it's just kind of like a
weird kind of eerie, etherealsong.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Um, I can let you hear it, I can chat about it out
there, be in the arms of allI'm keeping here with me, me I.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I realized that, like all my songs are tingeded with
the shadows of existentialism,which kind of sums me up, even
though I didn't realize thatwhen I yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, and that's part of this too.
This process is that there'sthere's something revealed to us
as the guests and the peoplethat go through the process,
more than just a report ofhere's facts and here's songs.
Right, you kind of see thingsin it, yeah.
Yeah, I also had to make sureto get that trombone in there,
because I just love when thatcomes in.
It's so perfect.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
And you know what it is too Like.
I can't always like say, oh, Iwant to listen to this whole
album straight, but start tofinish.
There are some that Iabsolutely can and it's like fun
, but this album is like just asolid album.
It was so good, kind of like.
So my husband one of hisroommates was this woman,
courtney, and they're bestfriends, painters and I.

(27:54):
Just one of my favoritememories was just getting to
know her and become really goodfriends with her.
That summer, like my husbandwas working two jobs and a
boyfriend at the time he waslike always working.
He was working like 80 hours aweek and it was crazy, um, but
so we were pretty broke duringthis time.
But it was also great that Icould just like hang out in

(28:15):
courtney's studio and like watchher paint and like play music
and drink coffee and it was justI don't know just kind of a
really wonderful summer.
You know new friends and youknow creativity and stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Can you, can you talk a little bit about how
obviously you're an artist now,maybe about how this experience,
or maybe during college, howthat kind of inspired you to go
down the path of becoming anartist, sort of I guess?
I mean, I don't know if I don'tknow if you do this full-time,
but but you know it's a big partof your life.

(28:54):
So maybe tell us a little bitabout how the college experience
led to where you are now froman art perspective oh,
absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I would say that, um, kind of like what you meant we
were chatting about earlier,raza, that I always felt like I
was decent at.
You know a few things.
You know I was like good at art, but I was also like good Sorry

(29:25):
From the time I was like eightto like 18.
I dove all the time but I fellin love with water polo in ninth
grade and like switched over.
You know I still dove because Ikind of just did it, but my
friends on the water polo teamwere just like the most fun.
I felt like I truly belongedand they were nice kids.
You know they weren't like Idon't know.

(29:45):
I felt, felt like not, I didn'tfit in for a lot of my life,
but I felt like I fit in withthat group we would hang out and
listen to music and just likego swim and play sports.
But back to art, where it waslike I was like not arty enough
and not sporty enough.
I was like this mix.
I was like smart at school butI also like would get bored and

(30:06):
want to daydream, you know.
And um, I was like not Asianenough but also like not all
white.
So in many ways I've alwaysfelt like I'm between the things
, but it's also like asuperpower.
Because I'm a bridge, I cankind of feel like I belong
nowhere and everywhere at once.
Oh, and how does that relate toart?

(30:28):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
So I probably have a little.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
ADHD I'm thinking too , but not in a bad way.
But I wanted to go to artschool and I actually majored in
studio art, but I just was likeI thought you had to like know
what you were doing and to belike a real artist and I just I

(30:54):
was like I don't have all theideas, I get bored and I want to
do other things, which Irealized is just, that's just
fine.
That's who I am.
That works for me.
So I ended up like not doingstudio art.
I'd got psychology and then Iended up doing interior design.
But when I I always did art andwhen I started hanging out with
all these real artists, therewas a little bit of imposter
syndrome around that, becauseI'm like, oh my gosh, these

(31:14):
people are real painters andstuff and I'm just playing
around.
However, they were soencouraging about what I did and
they never treated me like Icouldn't do my own thing as well
, and over the years I thinkI've just sort of embraced like
I'm a maker, I'm a creator, I'malways doing something with my

(31:35):
hands, even if I have pauses intime, but like being around all
these people inspired me.
And then I think being a motherwas like if what I want to do
most with my limited free timeas a new parent is like still
make time for art, then I neededto like start calling myself an
artist and, um, lean more intothat.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
So that's where I did more.
Sounds.
Sounds like a calling, right,that's at that point.
You can call it.
That.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You can call it a calling, yeah maybe and I like
to like kind of what you'redoing, this podcast, you guys,
like I, wanted to inspire others, because it's like I feel like
if, if I'm feeling a certain waythat I'm sure others are too.
And because I'm at a point in mylife where I feel pretty
confident in myself and I cantalk about like, oh, I felt
really insecure about that, butthat was kind of in my head and

(32:22):
if I can help somebody else tothen do what they want to do
rainbow connection maybe- thenit's like why not?
We're here for a limited amountof time.
Like why not try the things andhave the fun and just go after
it, Even if we look stupid?
I'd rather look stupid than beresentful that I didn't try
things that I wanted to, even ifthey don't work out how I want

(32:45):
them to.
Yeah, but totally have a dayjob, that's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
That's awesome.
I was hearing the song.
I've never heard the songbefore, but hearing your intro
into it and talking about likethe summers and like fields and
playing sports and hanging outwith your friends, and like the
melody of it like totally rangtrue to that, I felt like I
could like see it.
And then I was just thinkingabout like the really, really

(33:13):
special time.
I feel like there's this tinywindow when you graduate college
and you're like an adult butlike real hard life hasn't quite
hit.
You know, I'm a family maybeyet, or something like that.
There's this tiny window of funthat you have.
You got a little bit of money,maybe like tiny, you know tiny
bit.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
You can buy a drink or something, um, and you have
long conversations with friendsand like lazy sundays oh yeah no
, I agree, it's almost like ayeah, long conversations till
two in the morning exactly I wastalking to somebody at my
daughter's preschool I said Iwant to go to adult summer camp.
We were at like a petting zoofor the kids.

(33:50):
I'm like, let's, I'm sure weprobably a million dollar idea
we should do it.
Yeah, totally, I mean that'swhat we want to do.
We just want to like hang outwith our friends and like have
fun and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, Not grind harder is in my opinion right,
yeah, and and without the like,um, uh, concern of time, right
because that's what gets me nowis like, even if we get together
, it's kind of like we have anhour, because that's you know
how long the kids are at the,the, the night camp or whatever
they're at it's kind of like sorestricted and you feel like,

(34:23):
okay, we got a limited time, wegot to get to whatever we're
going to talk about, and so,yeah, kind of like a summer camp
, yeah, where you go away for aweek or something like that or
more.
But yeah where you can just hangout and like you're not worried
about.
Okay, we got to get done withthis activity because we got
something else to get to.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
You're just like no we can stay in this conversation
around the fire or whatever it.
If yes, could it be awesome ifwe could all go to summer camp
for like two weeks?
And so my consulting job isemployee engagement, workplace
strategy and I help companiesfigure out what to do to keep

(34:58):
their people happy and what todo with their real estate and
space.
But I always think about whatbrings us together and
experiences.
I always think about, like whatbrings us together and
experiences.
But even if we say, okay, wecan't go to summer camp, but
like what's a Saturday where weas a family can just say, okay,
we're not going to do anything,we're going to maybe invite our
friends over and just have likea super lazy day, and if we have
a five-hour conversation,awesome, let the kids be 80s

(35:23):
kids and figure it out.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
And all too often you're you're right in that
sense of like we feel like we'vegot limited time and we've got
so many things to do, but weactually maybe don't Right and
we can turn that off, and soit's just as much of a mentality
as an actual sort of the limitof our time or something like
that.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I like that and I like that time is fluid, where
you can.
So one way if I'm swimming notlike when I played water polo
and you'd have to like swimunderwater 20 laps without
taking a breath or everybody hasto do it again like kind of
torturous, it was awful, butlike that minute would last an
eternity but then hanging outwith you guys, like this is a

(36:04):
fun conversation, like that'sgoing to fly by.
We're doing something that youenjoy, so how can we?
Filter time maybe.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Right, right, and allow ourselves those times to
not be so focused on the time.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, and having more intentionality, maybe, and just
reshifting things.
What do I need?
I think about that when I'mhelping a coaching client.
What is it that you actuallywant and how can you find a way
to do it, even if it's notperfect?
If you want this, but you cango from here to the middle part,
why not go for that?
Maybe do one hour instead offive hours.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But we're empowered to do that.
I don't know where thisconversation came from, but I
feel like this is the placewhere this conversation came
from, but I feel like this isthe place.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Well, it's existential Cause then.
I'm like time is a constructand like why do we do that to
ourselves?
And like, limit our time andstart counting our time, and
it's like it happens.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Bill our time.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Well, I'm a consultant too, and so the
billing of time constantly thecounting, oh man, the counting
of like minutes and time at work, oh no, I know, but you know,
you guys.
So cringy.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I know We'll have to have an offline conversation
because I'm like, oh, I lovewhat you do.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
It went from like oh, summer is right after college
to oh God, billable hours,billable hours.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
That's not where this conversation was supposed to go
.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
My bad, my my bad.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
My bad.
Maybe we need billable hoursgoals for fun For ourselves,
exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Oh, there you go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Can you imagine?
That's why you're the coachYou're hired.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
It needs a better name than billable hours.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
I was just thinking, you know we should carve time
for billable hours.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's like the nightmare never ends.
The people that work with me.
I'm always like, okay, what canyou take off your plate?
Or how can you like, can youhalf-ass that a little bit?
You know, I think people put somuch pressure on themselves and
why can't we go back to some ofthese things?
You know, this is our life.
I want to have more, and notthat I don't do all these things

(38:11):
.
I'm like I got to do this, Igot to do this, but you know, I
can just go be present and dosomething.
That is like sitting on thecouch watching stupid YouTube
videos with my kid, and I feellike that should be a priority
for me.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
You know he's only going to want to sit next to me
for so long.
You know, maybe right when Ithink you, you like, you hit on
something so great and justbringing it back to you know
this, this show, and like one ofthe ideas behind it was it came
from.
We were at a corporate holidayparty with carolina's firm and
everyone you know, like you do.
There people were kind oftalking about work and whatnot
and stuff and I was just like Idon't care about any of this, I

(38:49):
want to hear what's the lastconcert you went to.
And that was like and everyonewas like I love that.
And everyone started talkingand it was just such like a a
change and a shift in the, thevibe of the, the group, and so
that was one of the things thatwas like, yeah, let's just do
that, let's get together andhave these types of
conversations.
So in a sense, like, yeah, thisis what this is, it's carving
out some of that that time, andso I love that and um.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Carolina, I think we have a lot in common, but um,
like I have a friend who we'rebrainstorming right now for fun
he's he has like his and we'rebrainstorming friendship how to

(39:43):
ask better questions, because hewanted to pick my brain.
And it's like you said, david.
First of all, with certaintimes in the economy, I almost
think don't ask somebody whatthey do.
Conversation.
I would rather hear that youlove oatmeal and you're like
crazy about something like givethat to me for five minutes, and
I want to hear about like yourweird fiber routine.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
And I really mean that it sounds so silly, but
like, whatever your thing isnerd out, and I want to, just
yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Right, I would like to like what makes, what lights
you up, what are you excitedabout?
Yeah, like asking a specificquestion.
What's?
A fun trip you took last year.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Totally.
You're so right when askingwhat you do, and I feel that now
, because we live in Tennesseeand I'm a DEI consultant and so
I don't know how that's going togo and I'm like I'm a
consultant and they're like, oh,what kind?
And I'm like, oh shit,diversity, equity, inclusion,
consultant.
I had one guy just walk away,he was just like, and he just

(40:34):
like walked off and I was likeoh okay, all right, and so, yeah
, yeah, I feel like you neverknow where that conversation's
gonna go but then it's funnyjust get to know each other.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
It's better, yeah, but yeah.
But at the heart of it it'slike, okay, so somebody sees
this title and they instantlyare like, at the same time, you
help people belong and makethings more equitable, right,
like that's not a bad thing,that's something that many
people could agree on.
You know at its core, Right,right.
And then when you put thisweird label on it, it's like, oh
nope.
It's just so funny, yeah, weirdlabel on.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's like oh nope, it's so funny.
Yeah, and that personthemselves that walked away if
you asked them.
It's kind of like the things wesay with titles and things and
you sort of you know, they'll dothings where they like describe
socialism to people orsomething like that, but without
the word, and they're like,yeah, I love all of that.
And then you're like, yeah,that's this.
And you're like, oh, you know,or whatever.
And it's like I'm sure thatperson, if you said specific
things about how they feel atwork, they would be like, oh,

(41:26):
yeah, I'm bothered by that, or Idon't feel this is good or I'm
not as this.
And then you're like, yeah,that's the stuff we work on,
right, you know.
But it's just because it's thisname and it kind of divides
people into their two camps andthey're like they're either for
or against and that's what it is.
And so, yeah, it's always aboutgetting you went to or whatever

(41:52):
.
It's like I don't even care ifI like the band or not, right,
because that was the other thing.
So many music conversations Ihad were just not enjoyable
because it was the whole dei ornot, or this side, or right or
left.
It's like you'd say a bandyou're like, and people would be
like, oh, that band sucks, thisband's better and stuff, and
I'm like yeah, I knew thembefore

Speaker 3 (42:04):
they were totally right.
Right, who Right?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
It's this whole thing about who's like you know more
of a music person, right and andand whatnot, and I just was
always like that misses thepoint of what it's what it's all
about in that sense, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, like instead of like.
The one thing I love aboutmusic is like, I don't know I
these people who are going tosay the Taylor Swift concert.
I saw Paul Rudd.
He was saying wow, that was anexperience.
He's like it was amazing.
It was really cool to hear likethe dads talk about their
daughters, the girl dads, yeah,yeah, and just saying, like, one

(42:37):
person creating this music, youknow, with other people,
whatever brought together somany people for the shared
experience, or like, butBeyonce's Renaissance tour or
whatever, I'd love to go tothese things, but you know I
need to do that.
It can bring you together or itcan divide you, and if you're
gatekeeping and one-upping withthat and it's like, why can't we
just let it bring us together,you know, and share this moment

(42:58):
in this experience, cause it'sso special, if you can.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah.
My big joke now about my job isI.
Instead I just say I teachpeople to be nice to each other
at work and that works.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I um, I used to call myself.
I was named by the CFO.
He's like you're my officehostage negotiator and I put it
in my bio Cause also.
It's like telling people, ifyou're going to work with me,
like I'm very professional, butI'm also going to like we're
going to have fun, I'm going todo my job well and I'm going to
listen to you.

(43:30):
You're going to be seen, youknow I love that, why not?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I totally do that.
Yeah, my goodness, all right.
Well, there are perfect momentsin our life, sometimes real
challenges or difficult times,and music can help us there too.
So for your next song, what'sthat song that maybe has helped
you through a difficult time orsituation?

Speaker 1 (43:54):
So I put my brother passed away when he was, when he
was 24 and I was 27.
He wonderful, wonderful personwe were best friends, andrew but
he had bipolar disorder and hehad some addiction problems that
kind of aligned with that.
He had an accidental overdosewhen he was in 2005.

(44:18):
So terrible, sad, but I wantedto say here, especially on this
podcast, my family was so proudwe are, we continue to be so
proud of him because it is noteasy to go through depression,
to go through whatever peoplemight be going through, and to
me I think that if someonecannot understand what it could
be like for another person, thencount that as a blessing.

(44:40):
You know I'm not going toassume that we're so proud of
him for getting the help, forgoing to rehab, for trying his
best and trying to destigmatizesome of these things that so
many people go through.
But the song I picked wasHeroes by David Bowie, which I
want to just do.
That song is about like loversthat I forget that when I read

(45:00):
it I was like, oh my God, I justthis is about my brother.
It has nothing to do with.
It's just like the platonicfriendship, like we were felt
like a pair, like two peas in apod, so that and I'll talk more
about the song, but I just wantto be like disclaimer.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
You know that I just realized I'm aware that this is
this, but that's not how I tookit yeah, exactly yeah, when I
was going through to pull outthe clip of the song, um, I was
like there and I'm like, okay,that lyric definitely doesn't
work, we're going to leave thatone out and stuff, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
When I like, thought about it later I'm like, oh my
gosh, yeah, thank you, david Allright, let's take a listen, we
could still time just for oneday.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
We can be heroes forever and ever what you say.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Thank you for pulling out a neutral clip.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, but I could totally like, in going through
it, there's definitely oneswhere it's clear that these are
lovers.
But I, you know, knowing thestory behind it and why you
chose this song and why not justwhy you chose it, but why it
was there at that time I couldtotally see how it would speak

(46:29):
to you and and and yourrelationship with your brother
and things like that, and itjust it, yeah, it, it, yeah,
it's powerful yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
So I think like, well , this song, like I remember, so
I don't know, I was able totake off three weeks for work
because it was around christmasand stuff, but you know,
blessing and curse, which whichwas good, and I remember like
coming back like I don't know,going through grief and stuff.
You know, you all know,sometimes, like driving in the
car, it's like that's the safespace where apparently everyone

(46:59):
like cries and it's probablydangerous.
Like you know, you can scream,you can cry, and I just remember
playing that song like timesduring, like that was like a
very raw grief.
You know where I'm not kind ofunexpected and I just remember,
like, like it feels like you'rejust, you know, maybe standing
with the standing out, likethere's an abyss, you know, and

(47:23):
just thinking about like I willnever see him again.
And the parts of that song youguys are making me a little bit
clumsy now the parts of thatsong that stood out was like
when it's like, you know, peoplewould like judge a little bit,
like they would say like, oh,maybe if he hadn't had a mohawk,
you know, or like, assume thatbecause he listened to punk and

(47:48):
he listened to hip-hop,everything, like, oh, if he
hadn't done drugs, it was hisfault, or that the loss wasn't
as deep of a loss because itwasn't an accident, it wasn't a
health issue.
He did this to himself and Ijust remember you're seeing my

(48:08):
pain, you're seeing your parentslike they call it, like this
double edged grief.
I'm totally okay Like watchingmy parents go through this and
then also like your sibling is,who is like two peas in a pot,
like that's the person that yougo through life, your whole life
with.
Hopefully they know your historyand I felt like it was all

(48:29):
person that you go through life,your whole life, with,
hopefully, they know yourhistory and I felt like it was
all gone, you know, but alsolike that song had so much hope
to it, where it's like just forone day.
You're thinking that maybe oneday I could see him just for one
day, and that would, that mightbe enough you know, I wasn
expecting this, but I'm totallyokay with that.

(48:49):
Like I think it's okay to feelthe feelings and it speaks to
the power of music and likebeing with like minded people
that you know I think get it,you know, and the there's like
angst and anger in it and likehope, and those were the
feelings that made me feelhopeful and more like like
empowered versus just like Ican't get out of this.

(49:12):
You know it's going to be okay.
So, anyway, that's what thatsong was for me.
I just play that over and overon my way home sometimes and you
know I can't remember and Ididn't want to forget I think it
was the remembering to thatpart really right now Not any
other lyrics.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Well, with I start to see themes with with guests you
know we've had multiple guestswith losses and like you know
just all kinds of things and youstart to see just like themes
of humanity, like the way ourlives kind of tend to go.
I mean, we humanity, like theway our lives kind of tend to go
, and we've said it a bunch oftimes I feel like you don't pick
the song, the song picks youand so like, whatever those

(49:52):
lyrics were, this song just likepicked you in this moment to
represent things that maybe youneeded.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, and it's just like the.
So like I mentioned before withthe Tupac reference, where I
don't always listen to thelyrics, but it's just like this
feeling of like you, withouteven the words.
You can feel like the hope, theangst, but it seems like
there's going to be a goodending, in a way that it's going

(50:20):
to be worth it or something.
You'll get through to somethingI don't know and it's just like
dude, David Bowie is justawesome.
Like I don't know, and it'sjust like dude.
David Bowie is just awesome Likehe's so much fun I loved him.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Of course, of course, yeah, I was like operatic type
things yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
That's another theme.
I feel like it's amazing howdifferent songs have completely
different meanings and I think,just yeah, carolina, like you
were saying, we've had people onthe show express all sorts of
different emotions and songstied to those emotions and you
know the ones that are tied togrief and loss are, at least for

(50:58):
me.
I always remember those and thesongs that are tied to those
emotions, and now this song, thefact that, marissa, that you
have this specific eventattached to this song, it just
makes it that much more poignantand significant.
And, again, lyrics have nothingto do with your meaning behind

(51:23):
it but, like you said, certainwords, certain words, certain
just phrases resonate with you,with you based on your
experience, in a certain way,and that's just really, really
amazing to see.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, but it's funny though, cause it's like you guys
got me thinking with the surveyand, as I thought about it,
it's like, oh, okay, berlin wall, Like the song was about you
know two people, no-transcript.

(52:10):
He listened to everything and,you know, would wear like eight
inch tall mohawk.
That was blue.
They called him BlueStegosaurus.
But then I remember one time hewas at like BCC and there was a
talent show outside.
It was also really funny andthese kids were singing like I
think it was like everybody inthe club getting tips or

(52:31):
something on a talent show stage, but they didn't know the words
to it.
And he's like yo, why don't youknow the words?
And they're like you think youcan do better.
There was four guys dancing andhe's like yeah, so he gets on
stage with them and he starts.
He rapped the whole song forthem.
They were like what?
And these guys were in thebackground dancing and it's on a
video.
I've I've never seen anythinglike.

(52:52):
That was my brother.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
He would just surprise you that's awesome
sounds like a really cool dude,hey, well, let's see this good
boy yeah, I also think this is,you know, just that thing of why
I don't really like as muchtalking about music in an
objective sense as just the songout there and whether it's good
or where do we rank and stufflike that.
Because I've had this ideabefore about just within, like

(53:15):
each one of us, how you know wedon't like.
When it was me, I was like I'venever read the same book twice.
Don't get me wrong.
I've read the same titlemultiple times.
There's books out there thatI've read multiple times
throughout my life, but it'snever been the same book.
Because I'm different, right,I'm in a different place, and so
in so many ways, I feel likeart, whether it's literature,

(53:38):
music or whatever, is just amirror for ourselves, right, and
we can never look in the samemirror twice because we're
always different in that way.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, David, why weren't we?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
friends in high school.
What the heck we're allfiguring ourselves out and stuff
you know.
But you know, this is such aperfect example for it because,
like what you're saying, how youknow, it's not just the lyrics,
lyrics, and I could imaginesome asshole coming up to you
and being like you know, thatshouldn't be the song, because
it's really about two lovers andwhat you're in love with you
and it's like yeah, yeah, shutthe fuck up.

(54:09):
You know, come on, that's notthe point and and I say right,
and I say that because I knowthis song.
I mean I know from david bowie,but where I hear it a lot.
You know, we're a big hockeyfamily and our daughter plays
hockey and this was a song oneyear for the NHL.
It was either in the video gameor like the NHL, and they would
play this highlight reel of,like you know, champions going

(54:29):
for the Stanley Cup and it'slike we could be heroes, right,
and it's got a very differentfeel there than it does with the
story you're talking about,with the loss of your brother,
and it's like, well, which is it?
What kind of song is it?
And it's like it's both Right,and that's what is really

(54:50):
important is that it's what itis to you and that's it.
These pieces of art don't existjust out in the ether, right,
it's only through interactionwith us that they become
something.
And so I just really appreciateyou sharing this story for one
and everything you said aboutyour brother and addiction and
things that go along with it,but also really just hitting
home that point for us of howlike it's about that interaction

(55:11):
, like how the song hit for youand how it served as a mirror
for you.
That really matters.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I think that's so true, though, because we relate
to what we know.
You pull out, you're likecherry picking bits and for fun
we could look at.
Oh, what is the meaning?
You think about the walls thatwe put up, or the walls of
isolation, that if someone isdealing with depression or grief
or isolation, or how if, eventhough someone you love so much,

(55:41):
you can't access a part of them, perhaps because they're they
can't, they're not there-physically or they can't show up
in that way, for whatever thatis, and it's just yeah, okay, we
are gonna.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
we're going to do quite the pivot, so get ready.
Sometimes music can transportus back to a particular time or
place.
So for this next song, what isthat song for you?
And when you hear it, you'rejust like instantly taken back
to a particular time and place.

(56:17):
What song is it to?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
a particular time and place.
What song is it?
I will say, as a South Floridaperson, this is the real train
song.
For anybody who likes othersongs, it's Scarred by Luke and
to me this is the best.
I don't know 90s booty music.
It was just the beats, thestart.
It brings everybody to thedance floor.

(56:38):
It transports me to a clubtrying to make sure no, a club
trying to like make sure noone's trying to dance with me,
because some of those guys weregross just being with my friends
.
You know you know, I mean, likeI do the elbow move, I do you
make this like circle with yourgirlfriends, that is like, yeah,
and then you throw your elbows.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
So if anybody tries to get too close, you're like
get out there drinks up high sothey don't get spilled.
Yeah, all of that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
All right.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
And for everyone listening if you are not as
familiar with this.
This is the beginning of thesong, and so most of the time I
pull out clips kind of in themiddle, cause that's where the
music song is.
But the key part of this andand what Marissa is talking
about is when you hear thissong- come on and you get to the

(57:30):
dance floor, this dance floor.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
This is how it starts , and this In the house, bitches
Butch Watchin' my feet, feet Onfeet, and girls Do the Cut me.
Yeah, yeah, like my whole,never hung up this Feet On Feet,
this, this, this, this, this,this.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
This, yeah, you got to respect how it was written.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
That's just like core memory of high school for me.
If I had to like summarize onesong, that that song.
I don't know anybody who didn'tlove that song.
I don't know.
If you don't like that song,I'm not going to be no.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
I loved it.
I love it.
I never admitted.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I probably never admit, but I can see you in the
corner with your typo negativeshirt on going.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Maybe, but you don't know the daddy.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yet yeah, and that's the funny part is that I again
maybe a South Florida thing,maybe a you know, Fort
Lauderdale plantation, Floridathing.
We were exposed to everything,all the different types of music
.
I loved type O and Metallicaand like the heavy stuff as much
as I really enjoyed this aswell.
I could not dance and I wasprobably out in the corner with
long hair, but man, did I enjoyit, Did.

(58:48):
I love the vibe and everythingAbsolutely.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I liked about our school.
I know you guys talk aboutPlantation High School a little
bit.
There were so many, at least inthe 90s, and it's funny.
I'll talk about this with myhusband who same year graduated
in 97.
He was a skateboarder, he waslistening to NWA in fifth grade
too, all of the things.
We both had an experience whereeveryone was kind of open to

(59:18):
different music and kind of justgot along Because I think that
we had such.
It was a good thing that we hadso much diversity at our school
and we were exposed to things.
But I thought that that songand the step team, for whatever
reason, because they wereamazing, could bring everybody
together.
I don't know anybody who wouldsay I don't love watching the

(59:40):
step team perform because Ithink they were, they're bad-ass
.
Shout out to Jason Gibson, youknow, and like that song just
made everybody enjoyed it andit's like totally South Florida.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Whether you were listening to heavy metal or even
like country music.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I feel like everybody liked that.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I remember at a school dance in middle school,
at Plantation Middle School, andthe DJ, who was like hired, was
I forget if he was like one ofthe assistant principals or what
I can't remember his name, butmiddle-aged white dude, beard
and stuff like that, and he'dplay all the cool stuff or
whatever.
But I remember this key pointwhere a student middle school

(01:00:22):
student he allowed him to comeup and DJ a little bit and it
was just this scene of thismiddle-aged, bearded white dude
and this black middle school boyjust rocking out and it was
music like this, it was bootymusic and dance music and stuff
and he was up there DJing thekid and stuff and it was exactly
what you're describing there.
This moment of just like thisis what it's about.

(01:00:44):
These are, you know, we talkedabout sort of the divisions we
have and the different thingsand stuff, and here's a thing
where people from two differentworlds coming together around
music and stuff and and, ofcourse, every, all of us were
just having a blast with it andit was a great time and just,
yeah, really powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I'm like I think I was.
I might've been at that dance.
You probably were, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I'm sure you were.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
No one asked me to dance, but I remember like um
they were playing doodoo Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Like yes, this is Brian Adams, or an intro to a
song yeah Brown opening.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
And I think it, I think it might have been doo doo
brown, that the the kid I can'tremember who the kid was, but
was was actually, like you know,mixing.
He had like both playing, youknow, and kind of going back and
forth and doing a littlescratching or something like
that.
But I want it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
That probably was a song it just made you feel like
I don't know.
It just made, I mean, I waslistening, like I think about,
like if what was I listened tois like a fifth and sixth grader
, I don't know how I got uh, myhands on um like gnr lies, which
I'm like, oh, like I love them,but I'm also like oh, really
misogynistic and like really alot of problematic themes that

(01:01:54):
we kind of mentioned, but also Ilove some of those songs, but
then like listening to like allthis, like you know, dirty rap
music either that was coming on,but it was great.
And the kids today, when we'relike like, oh, what do they
listen to?
Oh, we listen to stuff with alot of adult themes as well,
like right, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
We told our daughter like yeah, there's, there's
nothing.
You could probably play for us,that wouldn't blow we grew up
on two live crew and stuff likeyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's really good to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
And just such a strong connection too with with
this music and and uncle Lukeand two live crew, because,
going back to plantation middleschool again, when Luke
Skywalker was on his you knowobscenity trial, one of the
assistant principals atplantation middle school was on
the jury for that case and stuffand so it just felt like so

(01:02:43):
cool, it was us, it was oursright, this fight, this battle
of free speech, and everythingwas happening right where we
were.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
In that sense and yeah, I think too, like those,
like so a lot of people knew twolive crew because my husband's
like they were listening to twolive crew for whatever reason,
like this song.
I don't think it didn't seem tohave left South Florida as much
, because people I speak tooutside they're scarred.
They don't necessarily knowthat one, but I do remember.

(01:03:10):
I was actually, I was incollege my boyfriend at the time
he was a DJ and he was DJing aparty and I had, sadly, one of
my friends from high school,from water polo, had passed away
.
So I I went home for thefuneral and, kind of as a shout
out to me, so I wasn't there.
They played some booty music atthis party and they played

(01:03:34):
scarred and everyone was likewhat is this?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, yeah, well, if you're listening to this and you
were from somewhere else thanSouth Florida and you're a
zennial young, younger gen X,you know.
Is this a song you werelistening to in middle and high
school, or or not?
Let us know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, they also can be called the Goonies.
That's what they said.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Let's Oregon trail, generation X zennials and
goonies goonies, which I'm downfor.
Yeah, nice, it's a fun song.
It is a fun song I, I think ofcollege.
Um, I went to university ofmiami and, okay, there was a
club and the top floor of likecoco walk.
It was it baja.

(01:04:14):
I don't remember okay memoriesno, it wasn't kim, I think it
was baja beach Club.
But I remember I remember likethis kind of song playing and I
remember all of us dancing to itand I remember like the big
buckets of like beer with likeservers and like the stuff and
it was just.
It was just a free-for-all oflike fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I think it's funny that it brings like there's like
a pride that everyone hasacross every I don't know every
type of person For certain typesof music.
It's just kind of like oh yeah,we love our, you know, south.
Florida booty music.
You know that's funny.
You know I work in corporatereal estate, like as a

(01:04:57):
consultant there, which is, youknow, professional, but I feel
like people who are, you know,like real estate brokers are
usually kind of like a littlefun Maybe sometimes they're not
as corporate as, like you know.
So I'll be in on teams gettingready for a meeting or something
, or like sending a message, anda lot of the gifts or gifs that

(01:05:18):
I send to people, I'll sendlike trick daddy one to somebody
you know or to one of myfavorite miami brokers.
I'm like, all right, good job.
You know, here's this and it'slike a picture of trick daddy
and I just think it's so funnythat it still continues to like
resonate.
You know everybody yeah, forsure.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
This is when they get , when they get the joke right,
like especially in the in thecorporate world and I mean I can
speak for like lawyers andstuff like that there's nothing
that that's more fun than you'reright Like like a really sort
of you know, official,professional, corporate win and,
like you said, you know youshare some sort of a meme or
something and it's completelyunrelated to work, but they get
it.
The humanity it shows, theinside of people.

(01:05:57):
Absolutely, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
I always want to send a pitbull, like you know, dally
but then I'm like no one'sgonna get it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Oh my gosh.
No, well, they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, mr 305 god, I know I don't.
I don't work with anyone.
That was like from like thesouth floor, I work very like
he's mr worldwide yes it's whichis?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
it?
Is he 305 or worldwide?

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
This is my question how is he both?
But that's a discussion for awhole other episode and we can
have him on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
He went to high school in Carroll City with one
of my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Here's your invitation Come on the show and
we'll talk about yourworldwide-ness and your 305-ness
.
Yeah, which is it Hard-hitting?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
questions.
That's what we really want toknow.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Oh my God.
All right, we are at your lastsong, like that kind of flew,
but we're at your last song andfor this one we'd love to know
what song that is just likeintimately connected to another
activity you might be doing.
Could be a book or a trip to acertain location, something like
that what is it for you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I location something like that what is it for you?
I picked a kind of silly song,but it's awesome.
It's by this band called BERthat I think did music, but it's
called the Night Begins toShine.
But I know of it from watchingTeen Titans Go with my kids and
it's this awesome scene.
So parents who have watched itwith their kids, or if they're

(01:07:19):
just fans of the show, theyeither like are like oh my gosh,
I love that song, or likethey're like what is this?
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Let's take a listen the night begins to shine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
The night begins to shine.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
This one sounds more disco-ish.
It's like an ABBA type feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
ABBA, that's what I was just about to say it's just
funny.
It's like there's this show andit's like characters but there's
like, well, it's just funny.
It's like there's this I don'tknow this show and it's like you
know characters, but there'slike a cyborg and he's just he's
actually cleaning and he'sthinking about like the song and
he and all of a sudden he'stransported and they have like
this 80s music video that ismaking fun of itself, because

(01:08:14):
the show is silly and it's likeeagles are flying and there's
unicorns and it's hilarious,right, eagles are flying and
there's unicorns and it'shilarious, right.
So my son and I will like thething about that is like I want
to show up for my kids, right.
But I'm also like anenthusiastic person and I'll get
hooked into stories.
So it's not like I'm notnecessarily trying, I'm just
watching things with him and I'mlike, okay, what's going on?

(01:08:35):
Well, are they dating?
Like what's?
Is that person mad?
And I'll get like hooked intothe storylines, like why, where
did the dogs get the money toget these vehicles, you know,
and um.
So I'm like I'm all in.
But in this show it's just likethis video just summarizes it up
, because it's like totally 80s,totally ridiculous, it's over
the top and um, and we justcrack.

(01:08:58):
So it just makes me think aboutlike times with my kids and
just trying to like show up fortheir interests, but then also
like getting sucked in and Ithink that's a good thing.
Like I want them to rememberthat I love spending time with
them and if they're interestedin something, I love to learn
more about that.
You know, like, dude, we talkabout Godzilla.

(01:09:20):
I know so much about Godzillanow and Kaiju, and you know all
the Jurassic world.
You know it's fun yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Yeah, it's awesome Unicorns.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Unicorns is the new one.
I have a five-year-old daughter, so you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, and that's really the essence of it.
I mean, like this isn't't ashow about parenting, but you
know it comes up a lot becauseyou know a lot of people we
interview are parents, and so itcomes up, and especially
because we're talking aboutmusic from our younger time,
this, you know, the thought of,you know how we are as parents,
comes up and it's really thatthing of you know what I say
about the show we're focused oncuriosity, not judgment.

(01:09:56):
Right here we're not judgingpeople's musical tastes or
anything like that.
And what you just described isexactly that.
You just got to be curiousabout what your kids are into.
Don't judge it, just be curiousand you'll learn so much about
them.
And so often I think we canforget that right, and it's so
important to just embrace, justbe curious with them?

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, because I remember when I was a, a kid, um
, my one aunt, um called heraunt Sissy.
She was, she still is.
She was always curious aboutwhat we were.
She always talked to us like wewere people, not like we were
children.
And that made such an impact onme because they're not a lot of
adults who treat you likeyou're worth you know.

(01:10:39):
I don't even know if they meanto, but they just assume that
you need help or whatever.
Right.
Or that you know let me teachyou something, instead of being
like oh, what are you learningabout?
What do you think?
And I love that about her.
And so I try to like when II've always loved children and
babysitters club and I wouldalways babysit and stuff.
I always try to remember thatand like, oh they're, they

(01:11:03):
remember what it's like let mebe the same like my aunt was,
and they are interesting.
I mean, we have so much I feellike we can learn so much about
them and we can, like we're alltrying to unlearn all the stuff
that we learned.
You know, let's just right,totally sorry, rosalind, what
were?

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
you saying, yeah, no, I think you just touched on
something really reallyimportant, um, for for us as
parents, Um, I think we're allparents here and you know our
kids are different ages andstuff.
Um, I, I, I definitely noticedthat there's a difference
between how kids our age or my,my kids' age through their teens
and they look at adults ninetimes out of 10 as these weird

(01:11:44):
old, old fart, you know,whatever.
And it's funny because my goalas a parent before becoming one
was always that, look, I want tobe a young parent, I want to be
interested in whatever it isthat my kids are interested in
whenever I, you know, we decideto have kids, and it's funny
that the, the, the uh, thelittle anecdote you just
mentioned about your aunt,that's that is the right way to

(01:12:05):
be, I think, Um, you know, justshowing an interest in, in, in,
in these little people, becausethey have their own, they have
their own lives and interestsand things like that.
We don't need to be scoldingthem all the time.
It's like just ask questions,things like that.
We don't need to be scoldingthem all the time.
It's like just ask questionshey, what are you interested in
what?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
do you do?
Tell me about your day.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
You know just something very basic like that
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasfun, well, and that's such a key
, right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
That's such a key point, right?
Parents are, you know, almostuniversally frustrated by that.
Kid.
Come home from school or campor whatever and it's's like how
was your day?
Fine?
And you're always like, whydon't I get more?
But I guarantee, if you askthem a question about their
thing, they're into the tv show,the music, the video game,
whatever it is they do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
You're gonna get a ton of information right and so
that's your, that's your wayinto them yeah, like it goes
back what we were saying beforeon like instead of like, asking
what is your job.
It's like you know not thatthis always works.
Like what made you laugh today?
Or like who's in a fight today?
like something specific that canhelp them like maybe have an

(01:13:10):
analogy, because it is hard tobe like how was your day?
I mean I might say fine too, oryou just exhausted after school
because they have to sit thereall day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I also read something once recently that was like you
know, stop asking that.
Not because it's not even justa good question to get
information, but it's actuallysetting them up to make
themselves feel like they needto have a good day and if they
had a bad day, that's somehowwrong, right?
So getting more at thesequestions of like, what did you
struggle with today, or what wasdifficult or whatever you know,

(01:13:38):
so you're not putting thisvalue judgment on they have to
like because that's what we allget to right we get frustrated
because we feel we have to put abrave face on for everybody and
just be like everything's greatRight.
And we kind of learned thatfrom young, because when people
ask us how was your day, andyou're like I guess I need to
say it was good, because that'swhat they want to hear rather
than no, it kind of sucked andyou know so, and so was mean and

(01:13:59):
this was tough and whatever itwas, hard it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I try to share some of that too.
Like, yeah, you know, like I,somebody was mean to me today
and it hurt my feelings and thenI remembered, you know, like,
just like that happened with youand your friend, you know, or I
think like it was funny.
I was my, my kid needed.
He wasn't gonna like tell me ofsomething, um, but we ended up
going for a walk.
He was super frustrated.
I was like, let's just go for awalk, let's move our legs and

(01:14:24):
whatever.
Let's walk the dog.
And then he just like held myhand and he started talking
about all of these things, allthe drama.
I was like what happened, butit was.
You know, I didn't want to makea big deal about it, but I felt
very honored that he wants toshare all of these things with
me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
You know, and it's like just being a safe person
for when they need you.
Mm-hmm, you know.
Yeah, well, marissa, we havecome to the end of your six
songs.
How does it feel to like hearyour life reflected through
music and these particular sixsongs?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I think it was really fun.
Um, and I was actuallysurprised with the songs, like
when I was thinking through,like what songs are really
meaningful and like what I likethat there's this, like six,
there's like a nice parameter.
Um, kermit totally, absolutelywould have thought that, but
some of the other ones I'm kindof surprised at because I might

(01:15:23):
not be like oh, this is myfavorite song, but this is like
a real, I don't know historicalmilestone or placement of life
that kind of characterizessomething you know and also just
thinking about, like, whatparts of life are really
important.
You know, because, like I'vebeen with my husband for like I
don't know 20 I can't do themsince 2002, whatever.

(01:15:47):
That is like 22 years 22 yearsyeah I'm not one of those people
, but I'm like who knows all thedates?
But I'm like that's a long time, but I think, um, there's so
many of the earlier years thatare so formative that, um, I
don't associate all of thosewith him, but I don't know why,
it was fun, okay, yeah, I'm notsurprised that scarred showed up

(01:16:10):
, though yeah, I mean, yeah, Iwent for I wore a shirt for you
guys, a band shirt yeah andthere's some sense of like you
know your questionnaire, right,the full amount of questions is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
You know you had multiple songs for certain
questions and stuff, and so ifwe, if the show was a Life in 27
song, right, it might be a moreperfect reflection.
And so you're somewhat likeyou're sharing this full story
and then you know we're pullingout six that we're going to talk
about, and so there is a littlebit of a selectivity of like

(01:16:47):
these are the things we're goingto talk about, and so in some
ways, yeah, it might be like oh,that's interesting, that that's
the one that made it in, orsomething like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
And so, yeah, but I think editing is important.
Like in anything, let's connectit back to life.
It's like we can't do all thethings, but when you're like
what is the most important orwhat is the most meaningful, and
just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, that's why the name of the show is a life in
six songs and not an entire lifein six songs, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
It's six moments.
I enjoy this and I would reckon, would reckon.
Yeah, I'm like I told one of myfriends actually another person
from high school I was like youneed to go on this show.
Like this is my friend, tarika.
I'm like she just like herwealth of knowledge and music,
and she's one of the best humansthat I connected with at
plantation.
We weren't like best friends oranything, but we just um like

(01:17:40):
we're soulmates, like kindredspirits.
And this is up her alley.
I'm going to send her your way,maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Nice yeah, definitely Please.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
But we're not done yet, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Quite yet All right, kick it over to Raza for our
little lightning round Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
So lightning round, Marissa, Cool.
So lightning round, Marissa.
What is your first, last andbest or favorite concert?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Okay, my first and I'm counting this, it was Raffy.
Do you guys know who that is?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Dude Raffy is amazing .

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Okay, we got Blank Stairs and others yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Okay, you know, baby Beluga.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Oh baby Beluga.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
We, we saw him at like, at like the Parker
playhouse and he, he was amazing.
You know I was probably likeeight, but it was just so much
fun.
We got to see the live musicand those were songs that we
loved and he was so much fun andI just love that Nice being
Rafi and then the oh nice thingraffy, and then the oh my gosh,

(01:18:43):
the last one I.
It's been a long time, you guys,since with kids and child care
and stuff, I think the last showI might have gone to was, um,
it was cool.
I got to see the national inyolo tango in philadelphia.
It was like 10 years ago thoughawesome yeah, it was a really
fun show.
The national was their um highviolet album, which was a really
fun one.
The national was their highviolet album, which was a really
fun one.
And I I liked to yellow tango alot.

(01:19:05):
I mean I liked them in college.
They're beautiful, beautifulsongs, but it was really fun and
the show was in this likereally cool, like historical
place in Philadelphia and thenthey taped the show, so it was
just like a really neatexperience.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Like they taped the show, so it was just like a
really neat experience.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Like they taped the show and they were running
around.
It was a wonderful performance.
And then probably the coolestshow I went to, I was gonna say
the roots.
But randomly, and again, inphiladelphia they have this like
it was.
It was the first unitarianchurch.
It was this place called thechurch.
They would have like a lot ofpunk shows and stuff, but
randomly the vaselines wereplaying there.
We're like, wait, what you know?

(01:19:44):
Because that was really cooland like it was a small show, we
we showed up and we went and itwas just, it was very cool.
There might have been like Idon't know a hundred people or
less in the room, but it waslike a really small venue and it
was just really cool to hearthese songs.
You know, I think that one wasreally cool.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Very cool, that sounds awesome.
Love it, love it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
So, as we get ready to sign off, in the last couple
minutes we have left, if you'dlove to plug or tell us
something you've got going onthat people might be interested
in, or if your story maybereally resonated with somebody
how they can get in contact withyou, we'd love that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Thank you First of all.
Thank you.
I had such a fun time with allof you, getting to know you a
little bit.
I'm happy to talk to you in thefuture not on a podcast anytime
and help to spread the word andsupport your project.
What am I up to?
I'm kind of in a weirdtransition where I'm just trying
to prioritize, like creatingfor myself.

(01:20:48):
I've been what am I doing?
I've been embroidering.
I've been like having funembroidering this jean jacket
for fun like just to make artfor myself and kind of painting,
but I'm not doing a ton.
People can get in touch with me.
I'm not doing a ton People canget in touch with me.
I'm on Instagram a lot, soMarissa Huber is my, my handle,
and I like to use Instagramstories as like a little mini

(01:21:09):
playlist to have fun with songs.
That's a little tie in Nice.
Yeah, find me on Instagram orMarissa Hubercom.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for beinghere and for vulnerably sharing.
We appreciate it, you'rewelcome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I had a really wonderful time.
Thank you for having me and forcreating this wonderful safe
space awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Thank you so much, marissa.
All right, everybody.
Um, you know the drill withthis remember, like and
subscribe so you are abreast offuture episodes.
If you like what you've heardhere, share it with your friends
, your community, your circle,so we can get more people
hearing these stories andconnecting back with music in a

(01:21:49):
kind, loving, curious way.
And with that we will see younext time on A Life in Six Songs
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