Ep. 17 - Hilda Sánchez Fernández de Castro: A Kind Soul’s Soundtrack of Joy and Healing - A Life in Six Songs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know why exactly that part of that movie
is here.
I can play that scene over andover in my head.
I think it's the comfort Forthat moment, that song, they
were together and seeing thatand how they danced together, it

(00:23):
was like comfort.
It was like it's like comfort,it's happening and everything is
okay in this exact moment.
Hey, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of A
Life in Six Songs.
I am your host, david Rees, andI'm joined by my co-hosts
Carolina and Raza.
Hey, hey.
Hello For those of you new tothe podcast.
On each episode we embark on anepic adventure with our guests
to find the songs that are stuckto us like audible tattoos,

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that tell the story of who weare and where we've been, to
help us figure out where we'regoing.
It's a life story told throughsix songs.
We come to these conversationswith love, kindness and
curiosity to counter theprevalence of hate, anger and
judgment in the world.
Our guiding view, with a nod toTed Lasso, is be curious, not

(01:51):
judgmental.
Our goal is that by listeningto these stories, you can bring
more love, kindness andcuriosity into your own life.
Let's go have a listen together.
Our guest today is Hilda SanchezFernandez de Castro.
Hilda, a registered nurse bornin Querétaro, mexico, is a
compassionate caregiver atBeyond Ibogaine Clinic in Cancún

(02:13):
, mexico.
She has an eight-year-old dognamed Tachuela who has been with
her literally her whole life.
Hilda loves her family, beingat home and going to the beach.
She focuses on enjoying life,but also allows herself to feel
blue when she needs it.
Hilda, welcome to A Life in SixSongs.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Hi everybody.
It's a pleasure to be here.
I'm very, very excited, haveyou?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
So before we get into your actual six songs, we like
to do just a little warm upquestion and it's sort of just
you know what?
What role do you see musicplaying in your life?
Like, when you think of musicand your life, how do you see
those two fitting together?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
What does music do for you?
Well, to answer like thequestion, for the first thing
that pops in my head is like Iimagine, sometimes like in
movies, you know, like somethingis happening and you have like
the background music, and Ithink it's something more like
like very chilling music, morelike sand music, you know, or

(03:26):
maybe that's how I want topicture my life too, like I'm
like I'm walking on clouds, youknow, and the music is soft is
the music is like.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Maybe it doesn't have lyrics, but it's like suave so
like music being like the, thescore or soundtrack to the movie
of your life, yes, and itcreating a certain kind of vibe
and feel for you.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, totally, totally .

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Nice, I love that.
I love that.
All right, I'm going to kick itover to Carolina.
Who's going to get us goingwith your first song?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, all right so for your first song.
First song, yeah.
Nice, all right, so for yourfirst song.
Good, we're like embarking on ajourney here for your first
song.
What's a song?
That, when you hear it, you arejust instantly transported to a
specific time or place.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, that will be the song my eyes cry for you by
big boy.
If you translated that inEnglish will be like my eyes cry
for you.
It's a.
It's a song that I rememberwhen I, when I was in in high
school, and it was like a verypopular song around the parties

(04:37):
and when they put it on, likeeverybody get around, you know,
and just sing the song and ithas like a little rap part and
everybody was like you know,like, like you know, like crazy,
all the red faces, you know,and the eyes like popping out of
your face.
But everybody was like veryexcited about that song.

(04:59):
So I it's like a, I treasurethat song.
Every time that I hear thatsong I'm transferred to that
time and you know like beingwith friends and that that time
of everybody's or pretty mucheverybody uh, part of their
lives, when you're a kid, you'rejust enjoying, you know, like

(05:19):
you don't have worries and youjust want to like sing a song.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, let's take a quick listen and then we'll talk

(05:46):
about it on the other side,that's good.
Good stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
How does it feel hearing it?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
again right now.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It makes me feel happy.
I don't know.
I mean, the song is sad.
You know what the lyrics talkabout.
It's more like well, they'regetting separated, you know, and
my eyes are crying for youbecause you're not here and
we're not together.
So it's like a sad song, a lovesong, but it has this rhythm

(06:22):
that it makes you feel joy.
You know, Like I don't know, itgets you to move.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Those are probably some of the best types of songs.
It's like where because they'reso unexpected right, it's the
the lyrics are saying one thing,but the music itself is doing
something completely different.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Exactly, exactly, like you feel it in your body
and in your mind.
It's like other other thing,you know, and then the the song
start like soft.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
you know, even the, the music in the back is like
more calm, and then suddenlyit's like the rap part yeah,
yeah, when I was preparing thesongs for the interview, um I I
looked up the name and it's like, oh, this, you know big boy,
and I had heard the name beforegrowing up in South Florida.
You know reggaeton and thingsis popular, so I remember the

(07:12):
name.
And then I started playing thesong and, like you said, it
starts off in the slow.
We heard a little bit of itthere at the beginning and I was
like this doesn't sound like alot of the reggaeton I know.
And then it like kicks in.
You're like, oh there, it isthere yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
So I think it's like a song that has like a plot
twist, you know so you rememberthis song from high school.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
What was what was growing up in high school like?
What was you know?
What was that like for you?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
well, um, when, when I was 12, my parents get
divorced and I moved to fromquerétaro to puebla they are in
the center of mexico, prettymuch same weather, same
everything but my mother'sfamily were in puebla and my
mother's family found a school.

(08:02):
It's called Colegio Angeles, solike angels school, it's a very
Catholic school.
So I had a scholarship therebecause it was my family, so I
didn't have, like any otheroption to go to school.
So that was it.
And my dad.
He's always been atheist.
He doesn't believe in Godatheist and.

(08:30):
I have the same problem, butabout the pronunciation, not the
oh right.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I was like oh, the pronunciation.
I was like oh wait, or does shemean the religion?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, the pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's fine either way, just so you know Okay, perfect
perfect.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
So in Querétaro I was in no religious school, it was
very open.
But then when I moved to Ppuebla with all my mom's family
and I have my my adolescencethere, you know, it's when I was
12, so I was a kid playingdolls in queretaro and then

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suddenly my life changed and Ihave everything is completely
different, you know, and then soit was.
It was crazy that in thatcatholic school my friends like
that song.
You know it's not like againstanything but, but it's more like
, like you say, the reggaetonand maybe like the parties, and

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so it was.
It was in the strict school andand I think that that part is
hard I've been also doing somework on myself and you get to
understand how sometimesreligious gets you in some
little cage.
You know, there are things thatyou cannot do, but I think that

(10:04):
song got me out of that, so itwas like a different everything
and everybody was in.
That play starts to sound inany party and everybody get up
and dance and sing, so it waslike a change of mind.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I have a vision of like a hundred teenagers just
like screaming the rap part alllike sweaty.
And like I got a really goodvisual of that.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, it was like that.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's such a it's a common theme.
We see a lot on this show, showof this sort of, like you said,
the, the like tension of likethe box that religion can, can
put people in or kind ofrestrict you from other other
things, and then how so oftenit's it's music that kind of
opens someone up to being likeoh you're free, might be another

(11:02):
world out here yeah, there's,there's something else.
There's more than just thisnarrow view or culture I might
have been raised in in thatsense.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Going back to the rhythm part and the music part
versus the lyrics part, and assomeone who knows very little
about the depth of these lyrics,I bet it must have been cool to
hear this as a breakup song.
Is that what you said?
Yeah.
Or two people separating, butthe rhythm makes it sound so

(11:36):
much more exciting.
So I wonder if anyone who'sheartbroken or whatever
listening to the song andlistening to the rhythm may help
them get through that, get overthat sort of emotional aspect,
and just maybe get loose, maybecry, have some tears and then
move on.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
You're completely right.
Everybody that had their heartbroke at that time.
You sing the song more euphoricand you know, and you see the
other one screaming, so youstart screaming too, like, and
then it's like everybody's veryexcited about it, you know.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
It makes me think of our generations like I Will
Survive which?
Is a common dance song, butalso like a heartbreak song.
Yes, but everyone like sings itat the top of their lungs in
like this dancey way.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And you feel like a happy song.
You know, like, yeah, you know,and you want to dance.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Exactly, there's hope .

Speaker 3 (12:39):
There's, like you know, you yeah, every, every
ending is a new beginning, right, and so go hit the dance floor,
find the next person to breakyour heart Probably meet them on
the dance floor.
If we're being honest, that'sright.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
All right, so awesome .
First song thinking about justhow that song is like was made
you feel like different from thelike kind of box or cage that
you described.
You know, music can do that forus and it can be really cool
when we're first, like, exposedto new music.
So for your second song, whatwas a memorable time when you

(13:20):
were first exposed to a band oran artist's music?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I don't remember the exact year, I think, but it was
listening to Moonfire and Suns.
I don't know if you have heardof that group, but I love.
I think it's my favorite one.
And the first time that Ilistened to those guys and they
have like the banjo and and theythere's a part of some of the
songs that they get alsoscreaming guys and they have

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like the banjo and and theythere's a part of some of the
songs that they get alsoscreaming, you know like they're
very passionate you know, andso, yeah, that was a
breakthrough for me.
I started to listen to moremusic like that kind of music.
I don't know exactly what kindof music is.
I think it's like folk countrymix, I don't know, you know.

(14:08):
But but yeah, those that groupis open my mind too nice, let's
take a quick listen to a song.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
But it was not your fault, but mine and it was your
heart on the line.
I really fucked it up this time.
Deny my dear, deny my, how's itfeel hearing it now?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
oh it, it gets me, I don't know, like the chills and,
and I don't know, it makes mehappy.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
It almost feels like um, goingvery much what we were saying
with your first song and sort oflike, how you know, there was
kind of a religious box, andthen this, this, um, you know,
uh, uh, reggaeton song kind ofbrought you out and like, oh,
there's something else, and thenit's, it's similar with this.
In that way it feels likebecause it's like you said, you

(15:10):
described it, the banjos and theway it's playing like when you
hear this and if you haven'theard a song or music genre like
this, it can be like what isthat?
And so what was it?
What was it like you?
What did it feel like thatfirst time you heard it?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, I think the first time was like that.
I was listening, my cousinshowed it to me and I mean, I
remember I was like what is this?
I mean, what kind of music isthis?
Why are they mixing?
And then they start like andthey scream, but it's a
beautiful scream, you know.

(15:47):
And there's and they playinglike they start playing really
fast, and then you get like thisexcitement, you know, like like
yes, yes, I want more, oh,that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
I feel like a lot of folk can a lot of folk can a lot
of folk music can be on theslower side you know, or like
just kind of medium tempo, butlike mumford and son does a good
job of this, like just veryupbeat, it's hard to not feel
super happy when you listen tothem.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and similar to oh, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
I was just going to say and they, they do so much
with so little.
It's like from from a rhythmperspective, it's like it's one
bass drum Boom, boom, boom, boom.
That's it.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Oh really.
Yeah, Very very simple, butit's not.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
I think from drums it's basically one guy with a
kick drum.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Right, he's doing something else and he's just
kind of standing up, and that'ssomething I think they do.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
He's singing, he's playing the guitar and with the
food he's with the drum.
I don't know how they do it.
I can barely do something onthe guitar and sing at the same
time.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I don't have that coordination and it's good too,
like you.
Like you were saying, um,carolina, that that mix of
bringing in different sort ofgenres.
Like you know, the banjo issort of that bluegrass kind of
feel, which can also have acertain kind of like it's almost
, like you know, bluesy kind offeeling, but this is like pumped
up and and rocking in a way, um, also very similar to that

(17:30):
first song in the sense of like.
Like this song is a goodexample like this is not a happy
song when you kind of payattention to the lyrics in ways
and I feel like mumford and sonshas a lot of those too where
the song is like you're like,yeah, this is awesome.
And then you pay attention tothe lyrics and you're like whoa
this is dark.
This is rough stuff, yeah yeah,he does.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
That's the best kind of music, though, isn't it where
there's like a dualityhappening?
It's unexpected, you think onething, but something else
happens.
The lyrics are saying something, but the music is almost like
in happy mode or uplifting mode,but it's not.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
And.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's a way to check who's really paying attention.
Oh go ahead.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I don't know if that happens to you, but I get
very sensitive with the music,like the sound, the rhythm, like
everything.
A song can make me feel calmand a song can make me feel very
anxious or like something isabout to happen, you know, and.
Moon for a Sun.

(18:40):
What it does is makes me feelhappy, makes makes me want to
move, makes me want to sing,even the, even though the lyrics
are not like walking onsunshine, but right but I don't
know it's.
It's a group that I love.
If I want to hear them, I wantto see them too, like I love

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seeing perform, because I feelalso how they enjoy doing a show
.
You know, like they are.
It's a.
It's beautiful, and I had thechance to see them twice.
First in Mexico.
The first time they go toMexico, I went to see them in
Mexico City.
It was in 2016.

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I remember I went with mybroken nose to the concert.
How did you break your nose?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
I'm not going to miss them.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yes, nothing will stop me.
I broke my nose playing flagfootball back in college and I
have the pictures in the concertwith my, you know, like Ferula
in the nose and when theystarted, like because we were in
the middle and I remember youknow the people start sometimes

(19:52):
doing I think it's called smashslam.
You know like people start toor moshing.
Yeah, like I don't know, likejumping and pushing, you know.
And it's like people doingconcerts, but I don't like that.
Jumping and pushing, you know,yeah, yeah, yeah, people doing
concerts, but I don't like that.
So I was like trying to get outof there and then I got a hit

(20:12):
in my nose and I was like thatoh my God, wow, I wouldn't have
thought there would have beenlike moshing at Mumford Sons
show.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I guess people, you know, hey, get moving.
I think it's because of Mexico.
You know, mexicans, just we'recrazy people.
Maybe.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
The music really moves them.
Yes exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Since we're talking about kind of like lyrics and
music and kind of how the musiccan feel one way, but lyrics can
be another.
One thing we always are curiousabout too, that we like to ask
our guests, is sort of like youknow what, what, what do you
what?
What do you pay attention tomost or first with music?
Is it the music or are you alyrics person and you're like

(20:54):
boom right into the lyrics?
I, based on things you'vealready said, I have my
assumption of what I think youmight say but I'm curious kind
of um yeah that's.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's a very good question, actually.
I think I mean, my boyfriendloves music too and he's more
like techno music, but he alsolikes other kinds of music.
But for me, for example, whenhe puts on techno music, I feel
very tight.
It's a music that maybe I don'tlike.

(21:26):
You know, I feel it in my body,even though I'm not paying
attention.
It's like I feel like, oh, youknow, like I, I need to have
that attraction, like how itsounds, that's like the first.

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And then when I, when he putssome music, then and I start the
music and I I'm like, oh,that's nice.
And then it starts the lyricsand I and I'm like, oh, wow.
And then I'm like, what song isthat I like?
It you you know.
So I think first is like themusic.
How am I like, maybeunconsciously, like perceiving

(22:12):
the music, like how my bodyfeels, you know.
And then, because I've noticedpretty much with my boyfriend
now that because he sometimesputs music and I, I'm like doing
something else and I feel howthe music changed, how I feel
and it could be in a good way orit could be in not in a bad way

(22:36):
, but it makes me feeluncomfortable, you know there
are music that makes me feeluncomfortable that that your
answer matches up with myassumption because it was based
on how you described it in thebeginning of how you view music
as sort of the soundtrack andthe vibe.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I'm like, yeah, I think she's going to be kind of
keyed into the music and thingsyou were saying about.
You feel it in your body incertain ways yeah.
Right.
So you're someone who isprobably, even if the lyrics are
good, if the music's notfeeling right for you, it's not
going to matter what it is.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
Sounds kind of like a relationship.
Right, it has to be the initialattraction and then you stay
Like click.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, you need to click with the music, yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah that's true, yeah, yeah.
So in thinking about um, justthinking about what david was
saying about how you kind ofview music as a soundtrack to
your life, we're gonna thinkabout soundtracks and movies for
your next song.
So for your next song, what's asong from a movie that is just
seared into your mind?

(23:43):
You cannot think of the moviewithout thinking of that song.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
It will be La Tormenta de Arena by Dorian.
It's a movie called Tres MetrosSobre el Cielo.
It's from Spain, so they speakSpanish.
I think the traduction will belike three meters above the sea
no, the sky Above the sea.
Meters above the sea no, thesky above the sky above the sky,

(24:09):
above the sky.
Yeah, so it's a.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I wasn't translating in my head in doing the research
for today's episode.
I had looked it up and I wasremembering what I saw.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
the translation yeah, no, I think.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I think that would be yet.
No, no, I was remembering theEnglish that I had looked up.
Yeah, Good.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
So the movie, it's a love movie for young people that
they fell madly in love but atthe end they are not together.
And that song it's in a partwhere they are like, except they
like each other.
You know like they areattracted to each other because

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you know it's like this movie,where they don't like each other
but in the inside they are inlove and when it gets the
opportunity, like you know, theflower bloom and it's beautiful
and their, their love is amazing, but at the end they cannot be
together.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
it's really good yeah , it's one of the best parts of

(25:42):
doing this is is the new musicwe get exposed to right it's
every interview I've done isthat there's, you know, in
preparing it there's yeahsomething I'm like haven't heard
of that before.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
It's almost like 80s goth like, um, like the cure or
um actually some of the newerstuff that's coming out.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Uh, has has this same kind of influenced, but yeah
but sorry this is your song Idon't want to synthesizer has an
80s sound, so so it's this lovestory.
Why can't they be together?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I don't know.
I think it's because of theirfamilies, like she's the high
society, you know, and the otheris that, like the bad boy who
runs like the motorcycle and andI mean to be honest, the guy
has like some anger problems.
You know, like now, now thatyou're having some therapy and

(26:35):
healing some part of our lives,you can like see in some movies
like, oh, wow, that's, you needtherapy, friend.
You know, like like years, ago.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
It was very romantic.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, but right now it's like right right no yeah,
yeah, why won't you let me bewith them?
And it's like oh no, there'ssome reasons yes, yes, just let
it go.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, and this song is playing the part like she
runs away, like she escaped thehouse at night and got to the
club alone and starts likedancing in the middle of the of
the floor and that guy is likesmoking a cigarette on the top,
like in a balcony looking atthat and like he saw he sees her

(27:19):
and he's like just like, getsher like from behind and start
like touching the elbows andlike like in a romantic way and
there's that like dancing.
But it's like.
It's not a song like you know,it's like a soft song, like,
like, but your moves are notlike very marked, there are more

(27:40):
like like soft, you know, likea vows I don't know.
So they made it look like verydelicious to dance that song,
you know, like I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, I love these kinds of movies.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I mean, at the end you cry because they're like
what?
They're not together, you know,but yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
Because you know how it's going to end.
It's the same time, it'susually the same thing.
You guys remember Cool as IceVanilla Ice was like the badass
in it and he falls in love.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I didn't see that Vanilla Ice made a movie.
It wasn't a huge blockbuster.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
It was.
We would say back in the day,kind of a straight to vhs right
straight to dvd straight tostreaming or whatever would be
now.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Yeah, it had that classic line um, that you know
the girl is sort of um, I guessyou know from, uh, from a
different status and like anequestrian and stuff like that,
and he rides in on hismotorcycle and leather jacket
and I guess she has like a, likea love interest already.
He goes, drop the zero and getwith the hero.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
That's where that line comes from.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
That's where it comes from.
Yeah.
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
That's, that's such a nineties right there Boom well,
yeah 80s, maybe even early 90s,early 90s yeah yeah.
So you know, in in doing yourquestionnaire, hilda, and coming
up with these songs, you couldchoose anything and you chose
this movie in this song.
Is there something about thismovie or song that sort of means

(29:24):
something to you more?
Is there something more to thestory of why you kind of
connected with it?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Well, first, when I read the question, you know,
like a movie that instantly getsyou to the song or the other
way.
You know so I don't know whyexactly that part of that movie
is like here.
You know so that I don't knowwhy exactly was that that part
of that movie is like here.
You know, I can play that, thatscene over and over in my head.

(29:53):
Um, I think it's like thecomfort you know, like for that
moment that song.
They were together and seeingthat and how they dance together
, it was like comfort.
You know, it was like it'shappening and everything it's
okay.
This exact moment, you know.
Yeah, yeah.

(30:15):
I think it was that.
I mean there are other.
I mean, if I sit down and startthinking about more songs or
movies and I I can say more, butsome movies have like common
songs or or not common, but butyou can hear on the radio, you
can, and that song in particular.
I have never heard it before,so I know that song or the movie

(30:39):
.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right, right Right.
They're attached like that.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, no, I like that and in that sense of like and
there and there doesn't have tobe something more, I wasn't like
, oh, you gotta, you know, comeup with something.
Sometimes it's just that andyou're like you said it so well
of just that moment, and it wassomething about that moment in
the movie with the song thatjust hit you and it's there.
You know, we like to say onthis, you know, show um.
A lot of times we don't choosethe song, the, the song chooses
us, right, and this seems like aperfect example of one of those

(31:06):
moments where it just hit you.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Were you like on the younger side when you saw this
movie.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yes, and actually first I think I read the book.
Oh yeah, my mom has a friendthat is an author here in mexico
and sometimes he just give usbooks and he gave me that book,
you know, I read it and it waslike, oh, this is so sweet.

(31:36):
And and then I I heard that itwas coming, the movie.
But it's a sp movie Like here.
I mean, it was a boom at themoment because it was like a
very strong love movie.
So I mean, when I saw the title, I was like, oh, I read that
book, you know.
So I never thought I was goingto see it on the screen.

(32:00):
And yeah, I think it startedlike that.
That and I forgot the questionit was if you were, if you were
young, because I feel like whenwe're younger and we watch
movies, we so attach likeromance to like the song that
would be playing when we fall inlove yeah right, yeah yes, I

(32:23):
was, I was young, I was, I wasin high school actually yeah I
was in high school so it waslike that movie that it was like
oh and the out the actor thatplayed like the bad boy, it's
beautiful.
That meant it's beautiful itdefinitely the movie.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like I said in, in finding the song and did a
little reading on the on themovie and things, just so
everyone knows like I do all theresearch and get all the songs
together, carolina and rosa aresort of kept in the dark and
they're hearing everything freshand so we kind of design it
that way, so not everybody knowswhat's coming.
Okay, um, and and when I wasdoing the research on this and
looked up the movie, just I Ithink I watched like a little

(33:04):
trailer or something like thatand I was like, oh, I could see
why people are into this he'sgot the motorcycle, she's
gorgeous and everything, andyou're like, yeah exactly
totally well, now I have tocheck it out.
Now I gotta watch the movie andthis song, that this the vibe of
this song, this sort of likeyou said.

(33:26):
It's not like techno or housekind of thing, it's like 80s
kind of chill like the vibe.
It's like the movie has thatfeel to it.
It's kind of like dark but kindof like.
It looks like you know the PhilCollins song in the air tonight
and like Miami Vice and howthat always kind of looked.
It was always nighttime and thelights that's how from the clips
I saw, that's the look of thismovie.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
I have to watch this movie.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
That's how that works .
I mean, I told, you the end.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I hope you don't mind , but yeah it's a good movie,
that's okay.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
I'm going to root for them anyway, because now I'm
not a teenager, so I'll see thered flags and be like I don't
know, I don't know if I yeah, I,I saw that movie like years ago
.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I haven't watched it again and that's like how much
that song stuck in my head, likeI just saw the movie like one
or twice and it's here.
You know, it's right here andyeah.
So I'm guessing, if you see itlike in this time, there are
going to be some things that, ohgirl, no, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Don't do it, girl Run .
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Don't fall for the guy with the motorcycle right
off the bat there can be otherred flags, exactly yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Thank you, hold on.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, hold on, I do believe you have a motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I do, I do, I do.
I was young, in college andthings and I wasn't always the
best boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
When I was younger.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I've grown.
Thank you for sharing that.
Thank you you for sharing that,that story behind it, and
because I think what you justsaid is kind of really what we
want.
What we try and go after withthis, with this show, is is,
again, these songs, it's, it's.
We're not necessarily wantingto know that song that you're
going to blast every day and isyour favorite song, or, you know

(35:23):
, know, they call it desertIsland songs Like what are the
six songs you could listen tofor the rest of your life.
It's not that it's just thesesongs that, like you said, you
didn't even hear that this much,but somehow it just boom, was
in there and there's no gettingit out.
So I'm I'm so grateful that you, when doing the questions,
answered it in this way anddidn't overthink it.

(35:44):
Right, and they're like well,no, let me try and find this
other one.
It's like, no, that one thatpops up, that's, that's the one,
and so, um, thank you for thatno, thank you for doing this.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Like it opened that door in my brain too, and I was
amazed too, you know, like, oh,wow, I have, I have this, all
the information, and I don'teven like, I was not aware, you
know.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yep, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
So, moving on to your next song, because sometimes
music is that thing we listen toat parties and we dance and we
think of movies.
But sometimes music can have atherapeutic value, right, it can
get us through a difficult time.
So for your next song, what isthat?
One that has helped you througha difficult time or situation.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
It's Young and Sad by Noah Cyrus.
I heard that song from I don'tknow, I think it was Spotify,
like randomly, you know and itwas some time in my life that I
was like very down.
I was and I don't know.
Somehow at that time I was likeI don't, I don't want to feel

(36:57):
sad and I don't have reason.
Like like you, push yourself,like you don't, you don't have
to feel this way.
You know you're not supposed tofeel this way.
So this song gets me because atthe beginning it's like the dad
calling his daughter to say,just like I don't remember

(37:20):
exactly, but it's more like Iknow you're not being good or
okay and I'm here and I love you, you know.
It's like simple.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
Hey bud, this is old dad.
Just wanted you to know youain't alone.
Keep a smile on your face,everything's going to be fine.
I love you.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And then the music starts and it says something
also like that that I don't wantto be feeling sad, I don't want
to be young and sad another daylonger.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Don't want to feel numb or mad until I go under,
and I know that you only want meto be happy, but I still feel
lonely tonight.
Don't want to be young and sadanother day longer.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Another day longer and just for anyone that's
listening, that was Young andSad, by Noah Cyrus, and the last
name might sound familiar, andit is correct.
It is Billy Ray Cyrus's otherdaughter, miley Cyrus's sister,
noah Cyrus.
Correct.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
I didn't know, there was another.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So I learned something by this too.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yes, I was surprised too.
The first time I listened I waslike huh Cyrus, and you know
that Spotify gives you thepicture of the artist.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
and I was like, oh, I can see, I can see the resemble
, you know, I mean, they're verydifferent, but somehow you can
tell yeah, yeah, and we're nottrying to reduce noah cyrus down
to just being miley cyrus'ssister by any means, but just in
the music trivia sense.
Yes it connects yeah, so howdoes it feel hearing it?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
hearing it now well, it gets me, it troubles me a
little about that time when Iwas like, and I listened to this
song, like you know, on repeat,over and over and over and over
and over, like for three days,you know, and I was like
repeating it and repeated thesong and I don't know it has it,

(39:27):
has this the music is like sad,you know you can see like it's
like like a melody, I don't know, like like soft and sad and
yeah and you can hear like thevoice, the voice of noah, like
like I don't know.
It has some something in in hervoice that it's like sad you

(39:50):
know you can.
And and she even says somethingin the song about her sister,
like my sister is the sunshine,or like the light of.
She says something like thatand I'm just, I'm not that you
know.
So, I don't know a lot aboutthis song and how it's related

(40:11):
to that you know, but I mean,I'm an only child.
But when I live in Querétaro,one of my cousins, mariana, was
living with my mom and dadbecause my aunt she had two kids
, mariana and Marcelo, andMarcelo was diagnosed with

(40:32):
autism and he doesn't talk andhyperactive and trouble sleeping
and cishing, and so my aunt waslike trying to Marcelo get some
help and therapy and everything.
So Mariana went to live with us,so I get to have that

(40:53):
experience of a sister andsharing everything.
And when I moved to Puebla, shemoved to Puebla too.
So we were living with mygrandmother, my mom, mariana and
I, and it was a crazy time too.
So I don't know, I mean I don'tfeel right now in my life.
I don't feel that shadow of her, you know, or like, like

(41:16):
because she always had bestgrades and more pretty or that,
that kind of things in my mind,you know, like now I can see
that we're different and youknow like we have a beautiful
relationship right now.
We are like sisters.
But when I hear this song andhow Noah felt, I was like, yeah,

(41:41):
I can relate to that, you know,and all the things that she
said on the song, I was at thattime, I was like I can relate to
everything.
You know, that's exactly how Ifeel.
I don't want to be young andsad, you know, right, I don't
want to be feeling like this,but also she's like.

(42:01):
I know you want me to be happy,but I still feel lonely.
You know, I know everybody'shere and I have people, but I
still feel lonely and sometimesyou just feel that way, you know
you cannot say why, or you feelguilty, feeling like that, you

(42:21):
know, like I'm young and I'm sad, I mean it's, it's not possible
, you know, and sometimes thatis yeah, you're young, you're
just supposed to be like what doyou?
have to enjoy Right, exactly,exactly.
So it's like a little like that, you know, like you want to
force yourself to be OK, butit's also accepting when you're

(42:45):
not OK and it's OK.
Give yourself that time.
And I think this song is veryattached to me, because I let
myself feel sad for three dayslistening to that song, you know
, and the first part that thedad is telling like hey, kid, I
love you, I'm here.
You know, like I don't know.

(43:08):
It feels like the dad knowsshe's not okay and the dad is
like I'm here if you need me andshe's like I know you're there,
but I still feel lonely.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Did I hear you say that you just this was one of
those songs that just randomlywas on your Spotify list.
It just came on one day, right.
Yeah just randomly, was on yourSpotify list.
It just came on one day, right,yeah, it's amazing to see how,
um, this is a very nuancedmessage in this, in this song,
and, and I think, um, uh,whoever the author of the song,

(43:45):
the producer, you know whatthey're describing is something
that not everyone would feel.
And just to think that you knowthat it resonated with you and
it was a completely random, youknow coincidence, that you
happened to be listening andthen you listen to it for three
days.
It sounds like to really likedigest it.
It's amazing.
Yeah it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Spotify.
Just put it there.
I don't know if they smell.
Right, or they are in your mindor you know, like when you talk
to anybody about a couch andthen you're in your phone and an
advice of couches appear,you're like what's going?

Speaker 6 (44:21):
on it's all good, it's like crazy things.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
This person needs this song right now.
Yeah, I've heard some things.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I sent something I don't know.
I'm going to put this here andI'm going to go.
And then I listened and I waslike this yeah, and over and
over and over yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Yeah, it's like we said the song picks you.
We've heard so many storiesfrom guests of songs that they
hadn't heard before, that theyjust randomly found, usually
kind of at a difficult time.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
It feels like I wouldn't have believed this
before Beyond, but now I feellike I could be like I think the
universe sent me this song.
Yes, right, yes, completely.
But, you have to look at likein the present to the past.
You know you cannot tell thatwhen it's happening.
But, when it happened, it'slike, oh OK, everything makes
sense.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah.
And that's another thing Ithink we're, you know, getting
at with, with having theseconversations.
You know we're not just tryingto do just nostalgia, just like,
oh, let's talk about times whenwe were in high school, just
because, oh, it's high schooland it's fun.
But some of these realizationsyou only get after the fact.
Like you said, you can go backnow talking about this song At

(45:44):
the moment.
You might not have been awareof all the it's sending the
universe is giving me this songand this is exactly what I
needed at the time.
You're just like I'm feelingthis, this is the song for me,
and I'm there now, looking back,you can see of like, yes, it
was exactly what it needed to beat that time, and and and
that's what I needed, and so, um, yeah, yeah, I was aware that

(46:09):
Miley had a sister that sings.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
You know like it was very random and I was like, wow,
I very related to this song.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah.
So you said you listened to itfor three days.
What?
What happened after the thirdday, sort of like you know cause
you kind of like were with thissong for three days and like
you said you were just feelingthe feelings right With this
song.
What kind of happened thenafter, like sort of like the

(46:42):
next day, but then also kind oflike, what did that time do for
you going forward?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, I think that was also just starting again
with life.
You know, like when you feeldown and you allow yourself to
be down and maybe you're living,but automatically, and I think
I remember, like that time and Iwas just listening to that song
, maybe I was going to work, Iwas back at home doing some

(47:09):
things like laundry or but I waslistening to the song, you know
like repeat and repeat, andthen I, I, I remember that I, I
was with my boyfriend and I waslike this is my song.
I mean, this is how I feel, youknow, and he tries to make me
feel better.
You know, we, when you havesomeone that you love that it's

(47:31):
feeling down and they you thissong to like.
What do you mean?
You feel alone, you know.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Oh right, yeah, I'm right here, yeah, yeah yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
So I think it was also a little like hard for him.
But I mean, with he he did hisbest, you know like.
And I told him, like I'm not,this is not nothing to do with
you.
I mean, you're not even in thisequation and I'm not thinking
about you in this song.

(48:03):
I mean it's just something mineyou know from the inside.
Right.
Right, know from the insideright, and I think also like
that, like I don't want to besitting in this hole more time.
You know I need to.
I need to get out.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I mean I I'm, I'm related to the song, but I'm
still here, so I need to, youknow right, get through it yeah,
yeah, it's almost like it's afeeling, the way you're
describing it too, especially Ineed to, you know, get to it.
Yeah, yeah, it's almost likeit's a feeling, the way you're

(48:47):
describing it too, especiallylike you know, it connects a lot
with me and just my strugglesthat I've gone through with PTSD
and you know, talked about itin other episodes and talked
about down and beyond and thingslike that.
You know you said it so wellthat you know people around you
when you're experiencing thisdown, dark, depressive, whatever
it is time.
It's not about the specifics inyour life, right?
It's not about I don't have aperson, I don't have this, I
don't have that.
You can have all the things.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Your life can be objectively good, but you're
just feeling not that way andyou have a struggle down in
yourself because of that becauseyou know you have people and
you feel bad, feeling right thatyou don't like, like you feel
alone, but you know you have asupport system.
But also you feel it's like I'm.
I'm not allowing myself to feelthis because it's not true, but
but the truth I'm feeling thisway right, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
It becomes a battle with yourself because you're
like I shouldn't feel this way,but I do, yeah what do, I do
yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
And then I think for the uh, for the outsiders, like
in this example, like, forexample, for your boyfriend, or
or carolina, I mean, if there'sa song that that that david
mentioned to you, that, hey,this is a song I'm listening to.
Or or hilda for you, you knowthis, this song, um, I can
imagine for the uh, for theoutside parties, right, it would

(50:05):
be tough, um, when the song isdescribing how the person next
to them is feeling on the inside, which you are not outwardly
saying, but the song isdescribing it.
It it exactly?
Um, and yeah, I think that,again, this is it's the power of
music, the power of songs, todescribe that yeah yeah, I think

(50:25):
you bring up a good point, raza.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
To be fair, it's not easy as the loved one of someone
who's feeling down right,especially if you have your own
things too and so you can likeinternalize your partner's pain
and think is this something Idid?
Is it, am I not enough?
If you know, like those kindsof things and I think you know a

(50:51):
lot of us on us on this episodetoday have done a lot of inner
work and I would say like nowI'm at a point like that.
I probably would have felt verydown if David was like I feel
down and there's a song and likethe lyrics were like my life is
terrible and I'm like you know,but now I feel like I'm at a
point where I can say that'syour journey right now and it's

(51:16):
different from mine and it'sgoing to be okay, but, but that
resonates.
It can be hard to be the lovedone of somebody who's who's down
.
Yeah.
Yeah, nothing to add.
It's just hard.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
Yeah, nothing's bad it's just hard.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I was just going to say and I think this is where,
like you know, here we'retalking about music, but it
could be any kind of art, right,whether poetry, painting, music
, whatever with something, andit's like this is what I feel,

(51:54):
this is capturing what I feel.
I know that can be very helpfulto get it across to somebody
else, because when you'restruggling with these feelings
and emotions, it can be tough toput it to words.
You don't know what it is right, you don't know how to explain
what you're feeling, necessarily, but then you get a song or a
poem or something that capturesit and you can show it to people
and be like here.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, and I'm, I
mean with, with my boyfriend, Ithink.
Um, he's diagnosed withdepression and anxiety and I had
, we had had that time too,where he's down and I mean I

(52:35):
also can relate to that feelingand that's why I think, when I
was listening to that song, Iwas, I tried to be clear with
him.
You know, like this is just asong telling how I feel.
It's nothing to do with you ormy mom or my dad or you know.
It's something that just it'sresonating with me and, as

(52:57):
Carolina said, and maybe Iwasn't aware of that that time,
but that was my journey at thattime.
You know I was going throughthat and there are things that
we need to go alone and when,where we can find some comfort
is in a song that you can feelthat you're not alone.
You know that in any other partof the world, someone has the

(53:22):
words to describe how you feeland you're not alone.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
On how you feel it can feel, at least in my
experience, like so special thatsomebody can capture how I'm
feeling in music.
It feels like this like how didyou know?
Yeah, how did you know.
And they put it like when thatsong picks you, it's like

(53:48):
perfect, yes.
You're like this, all of this,the verse, the chorus, like all
of this is me right, perfect,yes, you're like this.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
All of this, the verse the chorus, like all of
this is me right now.
Yeah, yes, and you feel it.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
you feel it and you want to like continue listening,
because every time you listento the song, you relate it more
and more and you're more liketuned to that you know yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then for the support system, that's usually as jarring,
it's like I can't believe thatthat is how you're feeling and
it's, it's a song um, right,yeah, and that's where the music
can be.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I think so helpful for that too, because a lot of
times like uh, hilda, you weresaying, and caroline you're, all
of us were sort of saying it attimes is like when you have
someone you care about that isfeeling depression and and these
types of things, you love thatperson and so you want to make
them feel better, and so whensomeone is explaining what they

(54:43):
might be feeling, there can bethat temptation on the other
side to like show them love, dosomething to make them feel
better, and it's like that's notright, that's not what you, and
it comes them feel better andit's like that's not right,
that's not what you and it comesfrom a good place, but it's not
what you need at that point,whereas when you're just like
here, listen to this song,you're just, you're not going to
like argue with the song tofeel better, you're just going
to hear the song and be likeokay, so it's it kind of is this

(55:05):
separation that, I think, helpsothers kind of understand that
for you too, because it doesn't,it doesn't immediately cause
you to to come in and want tofix and help that person because
you care about them.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, we need.
We need to learn that we arenot here to save anybody, you
know, even though we want to.
And if we can help, of courseI'm there, I'm by your side, but
I'm going to work with you inyour journey as long as I can.
But the journey is yours andthat's something that I've been

(55:38):
working on.
I say it easily, but it's notsomething that I'm doing in my
life.
Actually, it's very hardbecause you love someone and you
see them struggle and of course, you want to do something and
you feel these.
You feel like you have to dosomething.
Not only because you want to,because you love them.

(56:00):
You feel that is your duty.
You know, like I'm the partner,I'm the mom, I'm the dad, I'm
the.
You know I have, I have a roleand I have to help them to make
feel happy again or not alone,or to feel joy.
But sometimes it's justsomething that you need to go

(56:23):
through and that's it.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a hard lesson yeah, that's a hard lesson.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I've got my Winnie the Pooh over there and in
Winnie the Pooh, right, eeyoreis depressed in the stories,
right, and the big thing they do.
They don't try and make themchange, they don't make them
feel bad for being depressed,they just always bring them
along and invite them.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
And that's kind of like a perfect example of what
you got to do.
Just totally be there.
Just be be there, yeah, yeah,all right, I'm gonna move us to
our next song.
Yeah, because music can canalso open worlds for us and
expose us to new perspectives.
So for your next song, what isthat song that just opened you
entirely to a new perspective?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
it's earth, earth, my Body, by Magic Clifford.
I think I started listening tothat song a few years ago but I
didn't pay too much attention.
I just like you know like alittle bit drums.
But at my new job here inCancun and in beyond they put in
more.
And I don't know.

(57:32):
It's a song that makes me feelthat I'm alive, that I don't
know like I'm connected withnature, that I don't know.
It makes me want to move, youknow, want to live on the jungle
.
Nice.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
Fire my spirit.
Earth my body.
Nice, let's take a listen.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
She's a beautiful voice.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I know, yeah, that's good and, like you said too
about just the percussion in thebackground is just so like just
you feel it yeah, you want tolike, yes, yes, let's move.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
You know, like and you.
And the lyrics is like earth,my body, like earth and water,
my blood, earth, my breath, fire, my spirit like the four
elements, like let the earth getinto you.
You know connect, you know likeyou are earth because your body,

(58:51):
you have water because of theblood, you have air, because of
your lungs.
You know you have fire in yourspirit.
I don't know, it's a song thatmakes me I don't know realize
that I'm alive, that I have thefour elements in me, that I'm
connected with nature.
I don't know it gets me me thisfeeling of being in a tribe.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
And it's so simple too.
I mean, the message is simple,that part just hit me.
But the song it's just hervoice and then the little
percussion thing.
Very, very simple, but reallyeffective.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Yeah, in a like dancey but meditative way
exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
You can be dancing that song, or you can be sitting
down listening to that song andmeditating, like being aware of
what the music is saying yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
So since you said you know you, you started listening
to this song a lot more.
You know being at Beyond andyou know it's part of you, know
it fits in with the message andeverything down there, starting

(01:00:15):
at Beyond and you know getting alittle bit into sort of your
professional life here as anurse and things, but also you
yourself, like how did thatexperience maybe change you in
ways?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Well, I think it's a job that changed my life
completely.
I mean, before I was in Cancun,I was living in Puebla.
I was there almost for a year.
So I finished college, I did anau pair year in Virginia.

(01:00:45):
You know, taking care of kidsand you live with the family and
you have all the Americanexperience, you know.
Yeah, and then when I came backI didn't know what to do and a
friend was working in a hospitalhere in Puerto Morelos and I

(01:01:05):
sent my papers and they asked meto move to Tulum.
So I moved to Tulum that'swhere I met my boyfriend and
then we moved to Nuevo Vallarta,very close to Puerto Vallarta
in the Pacific Ocean.
We were there a few months.
The life there, like it, wasnot what we expected.
So we need to change.

(01:01:27):
And then we go back.
He was go back to Mexico Citywith his mom and I was in Puebla
with my mom Because we were ina situation that we didn't want
to pay rent and we have troublewith the work and it was hard,
sure, at that time.
So we lived separately foralmost a year and it was very

(01:01:50):
hard for us.
So I was very depressed too.
I was like 10 kilos down, as Iam now.
I don't know how much it's inpounds, but 10 kilos is a lot
and um so when?

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
I'm trying to do the math in my head.
I'm going the wrong way with it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, it's hard, I don't know how much you will do.
You lost weight, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then the same friends wereworking here at Beyond, that's
Diana and Anna, I don't know ifyou remember them, yeah.
So they were like come here andthey were calling me months and

(01:02:31):
months and I was like it washard because I didn't know if
santiago want to come and I havetachuela and we had our little
cat.
So it was like hard travelingand so I delayed it a little bit
.
I don't know why, but at somepoint I talked to patty, we got
the interview and I was like I'min, I don't care if Santiago

(01:02:56):
comes or no, I mean I need to bethere, I need to move, you know
.
And then when I get to be onand I realize what kind of job
it is and how it worked, and Iwas like they are paying me to
heal myself too.
You know they are.

(01:03:17):
I'm here and I'm learning a lot, medically speaking, yes, but
personally, oh my God.
You know, like witness, onlywitness, the clients.
They're like the patients,patients there, their own
journeys and the struggles theyhave and how their processes,

(01:03:40):
that's huge.
You know, I cry a lot in thereand, yes, sometimes there are
some stories, there are somepeople that I mean it happens
with you guys.
You know, we click, you know andthere are people that you click
more than with others, and thenI start like noticing more of

(01:04:07):
me, like not I mean, yes, how Ifeel, but also energetically.
You know that's what I've beenlearning a lot in here how
energy moves, how sometimessomeone gets in a room and that
energy change.
You know, and sometimes you arenot aware of that and you just
feel something and you startbehaving differently, but you

(01:04:30):
don't stop to see why.
What's happening, you know,something on the outside is
doing something in me.
You know and I'm very gratefulthat I get to this job because
I'm opening my mind a lot, Eventhough I haven't done the

(01:04:54):
journey know, I was like likejust being there, surrounded by
people that are willing to workin themselves.
It gets you that inspirationtoo.
You know that you alsosometimes someone tell a story
about their lives and you'relike oh my god.
You know that that resonates alot in me in my life you know,

(01:05:14):
and there are some patients thattriggers me or any other of my,
my co-workers that we sometimestalk about, like this person
tell me this and I feel this andit was like you know, like in
good ways, in bad ways, you knowlike in good ways, in bad ways,
you know like it's a mix.
It's a mix, like, but yeah,it's been a life changing for me

(01:05:38):
, like, especially that part,the healing of me, my own
journey.
You know, like walkingalongside people that are
healing somehow gets you to lookinto yourself too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
And just for for listeners outthere who might not be familiar
with beyond and what we're sortof talking about, just to kind
of fill in any blanks, for forfolks you know, beyond is a
clinic down in Cancun.
It is a place that people gowhether they're suffering from
addiction, ptsd, trauma, anxiety, depression, and it is centered

(01:06:19):
around the psychedelic Ibogaine, which comes from the Iboga
plant from Gabon, and most staysare 10 to 14 days depending on
what you're going down there for.
There's all kinds of otherthings that are going on
workshops and you know yoga andother, you know ways to connect

(01:06:41):
with your body and things likethat.
But you have a medicallysupervised and assisted
psychedelic journey with thisplant medicine, ibogaine.
Psychedelic journey with this,um, plant medicine, ibogaine.
And so, uh, full disclosure,hilda was our nurse when I was
down there and then, whenCarolina went down two months
later, she was also there and so, um, that's that's how our

(01:07:03):
connection and how we're allhere, uh, right now.
And so, um, if you are someoneout there who is struggling with
, uh, addiction, ptsd, trauma,anxiety, depression, definitely,
if you tried a lot of otherthings and it's not maybe
getting you where you want to be, definitely look it up.
We'll link all the things inthe show notes and stuff like
that.
You can also go back.

(01:07:25):
We did a special episode whereI talked through my journey on
six songs based on my journeydown there and my healing
journey six songs um based on mymy journey down there and my
healing journey, and so if youwant to know more, you can
definitely go listen to that.
So, just so all of you outthere that might be listening,
uh, get a little bit morebackground on on what we're,
what we're describing here.

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
There was very recently, um, uh, the the
hearing with with fda, um, aboutmdmas and things like that.
It wasn't approved, correct,but there was a lot of
information for one that atleast the information's out

(01:08:05):
there, the information got outthere that there are other
alternative treatments, thateven though it might not be
ready for approval in Americavia FDA treatments are out there
and I think that more and morepeople are at least learning
about it.
So I don't know if you guyswant to mention that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Yeah, I mean plant medicine by way of psychedelics
is not legal in the US.
Psychedelics is not legal inthe US outside of ketamine, but
that's a synthetic, not a trueplant medicine.
But there's a lot of advocacygoing on, particularly from the
veteran community, trying to getmore plant medicine and even

(01:08:48):
Ibogaine to be legal in parts ofthe US and even I began to be
legal in parts of the US.
It's so just effective and forfolks who haven't listened to
David's episode, we can link itin the show notes but you can
hear his journey, I think.
Just kind of tying it back toyou, hilda, and your experience

(01:09:09):
nursing I worked in healthcarefor a little bit and when I
started I was actually a sitter.
I would sit with patients whowere a danger to themselves, you
know, had overdosed, needed tobe watched, you know those kinds
of things in the emergency roomand I remember lots of patients
who you know they detox for anight and I knew when I left my

(01:09:30):
shift that they were going to bedischarged and I was like, are
they going to be okay?
Like you never see them again?
Or there's the people that yousee all the time and you're like
you're not going to make it oneday or you know those things.
I think that and it's sospecial that you get to see like
a healing journey, like you getto see patients arrive probably

(01:09:54):
at their worst and leave justhealed and happy, like so many
healthcare workers don't get tosee that yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Yeah, that is true.
That is true.
You see, here at the end, yousee the whole process.
To be honest, my heart has beenbroken for so many clients
there that I cannot count theperson.
Each person needs to decidethey want the change.

(01:10:28):
If it's addiction, if it's PTSD, if it's addiction, if it's
PTSD, if it's depression,whatever, the first thing that
you need to do is you need todecide for yourself that you
want to do that, because if youare not in that place when you
are enough, I need to change mylife, and I'm doing this for me

(01:10:50):
because I want to do it, becauseI deserve a good life.
You know, I deserve to have thecontrol of my own decisions, of
my body, of what I want to do,and the only person that can
give you that is you.
You need to decide that.
So, first of all, I can see Ialways ask this question, or I

(01:11:14):
try to ask these questions tothe patients.
They're like how did you findout about Beyond, how you're
here?
And some people say, oh, I hearthe podcast, or one friend came
, or I know the CEO, or you know, like everyone has a different

(01:11:35):
story, but from that question Iget so much information, like
there are people that can tellme oh, my mom found this place
for me, or my husband want me tocome here, or.
And then I can see that theyare not choosing to be there.
And for that moment I know it'sgoing to be a hard journey.

(01:11:57):
You know, sometimes I meanwe're not there to fight the
clients like, no, you need to dothis and let's do the electron
detox.
And I don't care, give me yourphone.
You know we're not that kind ofyou're.
You're, you're there becauseyou want to be there you know
Right right.
So sometimes these I thinkthat's one of the most hard
parts that you can click withsomeone and you can have a, they

(01:12:23):
can have a great journey andthey still break your heart.
So I think that's the hard part, but it has this beautiful,
beautiful, beautiful part thatwins everything.
That is that part when you seepeople.
Maybe they're not healed, youknow, but you can see the

(01:12:45):
breakthrough, you can see howthey opened that door, you can
see how they are willing to dothe work.
That is the most hard work thatI think exists on earth to open
your own door.
Of the things you have inside,things you have done or not done
, things that had happened toyou, people that have hurt you,

(01:13:07):
people that you have hurt, youknow, like really seeing that
and there are people that getscared of what they see.
There are people that get veryemotional, you know, and to be
there and support that and alsofeel that you know, feel that

(01:13:34):
you know.
I don't know if every, everyperson happens to them, but
sometimes when I'm talking tosomeone and they start telling
me their story and I was like Idon't want to cry.
I don't know if I'm a goodsupport system, but I want to
hug you and cry with you, youknow.
But yeah, I mean it's it's, it'sa beautiful process to see the
change in the people's life, youknow, and the goodbye process

(01:13:57):
that we have, you know, likeeveryone there, and the song and
the applause and the hugs, andthat's very emotional, that's
very special, you know, and whenI hug every client in that part
, I know that maybe it's thelast time I'm going to see them
and I just wish in my heart thatthey can start the work from

(01:14:18):
there and just go up.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah, no, it's a really good way to describe it
too that sense of the you knowbeing on the you know guest side
, going down there it's you know10 days.
You're down there, but it feelslike years worth of like work
and change happens in just ashort period of time.
And so, yeah, when you're likeI mean I remember leaving and so

(01:14:47):
for you know people, I rememberleaving and so for you know
people that aren't familiar,when you are leaving, when
you're at, everyone's arrivingon different days, so every day
there's one or two guests thatare leaving and everyone that's
there on staff and everythingcomes out, they play music,
everyone's cheering and clappingand you're hugging and all
these things and it it was tough.
That was hard because it waslike 10 days of like just an

(01:15:08):
amazing experience, some of thetoughest things I've ever done,
but some of the like greatestconnections and work and just
lovely, uh, uh, kindness, right,and so you're leaving.
It it was, yeah, it was.
I was blown away by how, notjust the transformation in
myself through the work and theyou know psychedelic and the

(01:15:29):
experience and all of that, buthow like just a powerful 10 days
.
It was just being there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
In that sense, yeah yeah, it's hard to leave.
Does anyone like not want toleave, like I'm not going there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
there are some people like nope yeah, we have had
some that.
Or they start like do you haveany opening jobs?
I can't clean the pool.
I mean, I just want to stay.
I think sometimes it's alsothat part of you that knows that

(01:16:07):
you're going back to maybe thethings that made you come here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
You know right so scary yeah of course you're like
, hey, I was able to make thesechanges, maybe here, yeah, but
in this kind of isolatedenvironment.
But when I go back, that's, Iknow that was something I was
scared of.
Like yeah, I'm scared to goback.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Yeah, like yeah yeah, life is hard.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, Because you, you change, you know, you make
some changes, but when you comehome then everything is the same
.
You know, Right, Right, andthat's also very hard.
I think we need to also startsomething to that.
You know, like some things thathelp that confidence, you know

(01:16:56):
like trust, trust yourself,trust that you are different and
things are going to bedifferent, because the changes
start with you.
And it's this domino effect,you know you start doing the
things different and you'regonna have different results.
And it's gonna.
I mean, it's sudden, it'ssuddenly.
You know it's not like phew,it's not a magic pill, it's not

(01:17:19):
a magic situation where you, youchange, and then you come home
and everything is just like, ohwow, yes, let's meditate every
day, let's gather together.
You know it's you need to startbuilding that life.
But in that building the life,it's everything is gonna be

(01:17:41):
changing around you, you knowyeah yeah, absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
I just want to thank you for your you know care and
everything you gave when when Iwas down there and I know
Carolina had, you know, the sameexperience.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
I just remember my nurse she was.
She took care of me a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
I just remember one time you, I had my IV in and it
was kind of like like I caughtit on something and so we took
it out.
And you took it out, and I justremember the way you put the
Band-Aid on my hand.
I was just blown away Like just, and it seems so silly, right,
and I think that's why I wasblown away, because you just had

(01:18:24):
this extra level of care tolike put it on and like just
have this care.
And I feel like so often,especially in the us, where
medical care is just so justquickly.
It's not that in and out it'snot that the nurses and and the
people that work here are badpeople.
It's a system that's just builton, just you know, gets you in
and out.
Um, that was just somethingjust so, just different, and I

(01:18:47):
just remember feeling so like,safe and cared for and at home.
So, thank you that's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
That is beautiful.
That is beautiful and thank youguys.
I just want you to know thatit's an honor to walk with
people like you, with thisenergy, these beautiful souls.
Is this willing to do the work?
You know this.
It's something different withpeople that you know they are.
They're doing the hard work forthemselves.

(01:19:15):
You know it's uh I oh, youdidn't want to cry, but I don't
know.
It's something that it's verydeep.
You know it's different to graba hand with someone that wants
to do the work themselves.
That someone's someone that youneed to come on.
And I know every person isdifferent and have their own

(01:19:35):
journey and some people needmore help and we're there to
help them.
But there are some people thatyou just do some click and I
don't know.
It's hard to explain, but it'sbeautiful.
I was very honored to walk withyou through your journeys each
one of you, All right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Isla, we are at your last song.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I know I got to move us along or else we'll be here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Which we would love to but, We've got a free little
therapy session.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Well, and I think you know you're special to us.
We kind of love you, so youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I love you.
Love to give you extra time.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Yeah, all right.
So for your last song to finishyour six song journey here.
What is a song that was part ofa perfect moment where
everything just felt right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Well, it was this song, Gozar Hasta Que Me Ausente
, by Paloma del Cerro.
It was this moment with myfamily, one time that after the
pandemia, I was living in Tulumwhen the pandemia happened and I
had, I think, less than a yearliving there.

(01:20:47):
So it was hard People go to seeme and it was hard for me to go
see the family.
So it was like three yearswithout seeing anybody and no,
like two, like two years.
Um, felt like three, but stillstill a lot, yeah, a lot.
Pandemic time is fuzzy, exactlyexactly yes, so this one time

(01:21:12):
that it was april and we decidedto do a new year, new, new
year's eve dinner, family, youknow, on april, because nobody
can on january.
So anyway, we somehow get togather most of the family and

(01:21:33):
they were playing this song thatone of my cousins found and
just brings me joy, like I don'tknow.
It's this part of the song thatI'm going to enjoy life until
I'm not here anymore, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
That's sweet.
I had to include um, causesometimes, like when I'm when
I'm pulling out the clip we'regoing to play, I sometimes will
look at the lyrics.
I'll look at what folks mayhave written in their
questionnaire if they gave somedetails.
Sometimes people will share alyric, so I'll try and find that
one.
And then sometimes I just kindof don't really think about it
too much and I just whateverkind of part speaks to me, I'll

(01:22:31):
pick that and put it in.
And then sometimes there's thisinteresting synergy where
people are like, oh, that's thelyric that I was talking about
or whatever.
And I picked this part because,you know, it's this part of a
perfect moment and I just lovewhen she starts singing there
and she's got that.
Yeah, this gives that like it.
Just like.
Like I'm like, oh, my god,that's it, there it is.
That's that perfect feeling.

(01:22:52):
And then, of course, then I'mlooking at the lyrics and
translating and yeah, she'stalking about um.
I think it's like you know, um,you know, while I'm still here,
before I'm gonna die, I'm gonnaenjoy it and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Or you can fill in the blanks yes, but yeah, it's
pretty much that, like, I'mgoing to enjoy life While I stay
here.
I'm going to love life, I'mgoing to enjoy life, I'm going
to, you know, like, not justlive, I'm going to enjoy it.
I'm going to, I don't know how,the exact translation of Gosash

(01:23:26):
, I don't know if Carolina, ifyou know it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
There's no direct translation.
Gozad is just like to have fun,to enjoy, to enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
But I think that word gozad in Spanish is I mean,
it's different.
You know it's not just havingfun or enjoy or joy, or you know
it's these, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
It's, it's these.
I don't know it's, it's hard.
It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
It's like with your gosad, is like with your whole
body, your whole, just likesoaking in life in this joyous
way like with your everything,yeah there's a similar struggle
with um aristotle in ancientgreek when he talks about
eudaimonia and it's sort of likethis flourishing and, and it
gets translated as happiness,but it's, it's more than that
it's like your full body, fulllike everything is sort of there
.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
You cannot just translate that word, you know,
it's just not that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Right, we, we don't have a word in English for that,
which is probably telling inother ways.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
But no for that, which is probably telling in
other ways.
But no, maybe we're not aware,I don't know.
But yeah, I think it's thatenjoy life, like really really
enjoy life, the moments, andwhen the time comes you're just
gonna go, you know, and thenyou're not well.
Well, we don't know, but I'mguessing we're not going to

(01:24:50):
enjoy anything or I don't know.
But what I know is what I havehere, you know, and and also
like losing people I don't knowgets you also.
I mean, you're sad, you'regrieving, you go to all those
stages, but for me it also havethese other window that I'm,
that I look, you know, outsideand I see these.

(01:25:14):
You're here, you're still here,you know you can do things, you
can enjoy things, and sometimeslosing someone gets you this
guilt of how am I gonna laugh ifthat person is not here?
How am I?
Going to be, happy.
So it's also like looking into adifferent perspective.

(01:25:38):
Like, of course I'm going toenjoy and laugh because that's a
way to honor the people that isgone.
I don't think that people thatI love and pass away want me to
be in my bed crying and notdoing anything.
You know, I'm guessing theywill be like come on, get up, be

(01:25:58):
happy, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
so I think you still have more moments, so go go live
on.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Exactly exactly and with them in mind, if you want,
and not feeling this guilt.
So I think enjoying and lovingand having fun is very important
in life.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
I can imagine this felt pretty perfect, like the
way you describe it.
Coming out of the pandemic,you're separated from your loved
ones.
I think that's probably auniversal feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Right, the whole globe went through this pandemic
it wasn't just in one country,being separated from your family
, your loved ones, by distance,by, you know, risk, um and so to
just be reunited and togetherand sharing a meal, and then
like this song yeah, of course,because it was a point I don't

(01:26:48):
know if that happens to you, butit was a point in the pandemic
where I think, like we're nevergoing to see like all the family
together again, I'm not sayingnot seeing them, but only like
I'm going to see three or fourpeople one day and maybe five
another day, and you know like,and I need to wait seven days,

(01:27:08):
so I don't know.
For a moment it felt like it wasgoing to be that the new norm
forever.
So when you get to get togetheragain, I remember at that
reunion I couldn't believe it.
It was so many people in mygrandmother's house and my

(01:27:30):
grandmother, she and mygrandmother she was like oh my
god, she could even handleherself.
You know, she was like veryhappy because all that I mean
she's 93 and she lives alonestill, and so she's she's very
independent and she loves,really loves, just having the
family together, you know.
So you can see the joy in herface and that is just all worth

(01:27:56):
it All right, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
How like that.
So that was your six songs.
Thank you so much for trustingus with your stories and the
music that means the most to you.
How does it feel hearing yourlife told through these six
songs?

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Well, yeah, it's, uh, it's been a journey to you know
, doing this it's really ajourney.
Journey it's sitting down andand like looking in yourself and
seeing, like, how, really, likeyou're not aware how, much the

(01:28:41):
songs are in your life you knowhow much they can bring to you.
You know I was aware, forexample, the young and sad song
of noah cyrus.
I mean, I I was aware that ithelped me through a rough time,
but I was not like or like I had.
I I know that had happened, butI was not like really aware

(01:29:03):
that that song helped me.
Or that song like marked me.
You know, like yeah, likesitting down and just doing the
questionnaire helped me a lot.
It was, it was really really ajourney and like now seeing
those songs like I sing them andI'm like wow, it brings me a

(01:29:25):
lot of memories.
You like it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
All right, um so we we finished the show with with a
bit of a fun lightning round.
Razel, take us through that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
Perfect.
Yep, um, hilda, it's been anabsolute pleasure.
What can I say?
Thank you so much.
Um, yeah, so let's have alittle bit of fun.
Um, our, our sort of last thingthat we do is we want to know
about concerts and we want toknow about your, your first,
your last and your best orfavorite concert experience

(01:29:59):
perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
My first song that I remember in my life was the
first.
It was like a little showcalled the Bubbles, but I was
very young, you know, like Idon't remember a lot.
But then I went to theBackstreet Boys concert when I
was like I don't know like eight.

(01:30:21):
It was the first time they werein Mexico and I was young.
We went with my aunt and someof my cousins and we were like
very excited and I remember Ifell asleep on a chair and then
I wake up, you know, and mycousin was the concert is
finished.

(01:30:41):
And she was like even they singin Spanish, you miss it all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
And I was like, oh, oh, baby, yeah, I was like oh,
oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Yeah, I was young.
I'm one of the youngest of mycousins.
I have one more that is youngerthan me, but then I'm the
youngest, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
All right, so that was your first.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
What was the last concert?

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
My last concert was Moon For Unsons in Washington DC
.
Actually, when I was doing theopera here they present in
Washington DC so I get thechance to go to the concert
again.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:26):
It was amazing.
So my family lives in DC, up indc area now, and I'm almost
positive that, uh, one or bothof my sisters were at that show
whoa the world is so little, sosmall yeah, yeah, so cool,
because they love mumford andsons, and they actually we did

(01:31:48):
we.
This was in one of our episodesone of my siblings introduced
my other sibling and then theytold my dad that he would love
it and it's a whole family thingwith Mumford and Sons.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Yeah, for my family too.
I totally forgot about thatyeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:05):
And then so, first last, what is your all-time
favorite?

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
My all-time favorite, I think it was Mum Moon, fire
and Suns, but in Mexico City,because I went with my cousins,
even though I had my nose likethat, you know I have.
So when I was young, like afterthe Backstreet Boys concert, I
went to a concert that here inMexico they do the like soap

(01:32:33):
opera, I think it's like thetelenovelas TV shows for kids
and they they have like a group,they sing.
You know Belinda was in it.
I don't know if you're, youknow Belinda, but that was a
huge thing.
So we went to the concert andthen they announced that this is
the last song.
So I was like, yes, singing andeverything.

(01:32:53):
And then when I turned around,nobody was there.
I was completely alone.
My family just went and Isuddenly was just like there,
like, oh my God, what am I goingto do?
I remember I freak out, but Iwas like nobody can see that I'm
freaking out.
But I'm freaking out.

(01:33:14):
So I just go to I think it waslike a paramedic and ask for
help and, long story short, thepolice take me home.
So I have some issues with someconcerts, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:33:27):
So in that concert we went with my cousins and I
remember that I was likeeverybody needs to stay together
, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
So in that concert we went with my cousins and I
remember that I was likeeverybody needs to stay together
, you know.
Like we cannot be separated.
And one cousin felt bad and shewas almost like fainting.
So one other cousin, just takeher like out of the crowd.
And then one of my othercousins that is a huge fan, he
was just like going in throughthe people to get to the front,

(01:33:54):
you know.
And then when the smash began,you know like all that, I was
just like lost in the people too.
And then I was like, oh no,it's happening again it's
happening again, but at thattime marcus moonfort was singing
one song and he was.

(01:34:14):
he started like going down thestage around people so I was
like, oh my god, you know, likemy mind just focused on that.
And then I found my, my cousin.
So at the end it was all good,but but I don't know, that
concert was like after I waslost in a concert when I was

(01:34:34):
nine and the police had to takeme home, and then at that
concert I felt like I wascompletely alone again and then
just I really enjoyed Moon, fireand Sun and I felt safe.
I enjoyed Moonfort and Sons andI felt safe, you know.

(01:34:56):
And then when I saw like theshow and they had like the
Mexican flag and Marcus Moonfortwas like going down the stage
and going around people, ofcourse everybody was like oh,
that's him, you know.
I was like, okay, this is mymoment to start looking for the
people, you know.
But yeah, so I think at the endhe helped me.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
Nice.
So what could have been alittle bit of a concert trauma,
I think, ended up being a littlebit, a little bit good at the
end.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
Exactly Well, thank you.
Thank you, that was awesome.
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
Yeah, well, we've come to the end and so we'd love
to, in the last you know fewminutes we have, if you want to
share anything with our audience, tell us anything you have
going on, or social media ifyou're active and folks you know
want to follow you, or whatever.
Whatever you want to share inthe last minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Well, maybe I think right now in my life, I would
like to share just for peoplethat, as you said before, about
beyond, people that are reachingout for help, and if you want
to like, get a research aboutthe about beyond, we have people
that you can call and they willexplain everything that you

(01:36:10):
need to know, and if you canhave the opportunity to do it
for yourself, I think it's alife changing experience.
I can tell by my experience,only by working there, that it's
a life changing for me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Excellent.
Thank you so much for that.
And yeah, if you're listening,there are more people just as
awesome and kind and caring asHilda down there too.
So, if you have apprehensionsabout it, because it is a big
step, I know, for me, when Iwent down, you know, flying down
to another country going to doa psychedelic, it's like whoa
intense.
But the second I walked throughthe doors I felt right at home.

(01:36:45):
So, no, if you go down there,you'll be taken care of and
it'll be well worth it.
So thank you again, hilda, forsharing your story with us um
here today.
Thank you for being the personyou are and the caring, kind,
professional.
Uh, you, you are, um, all ofyou out there.
You know what to do likesubscribe, follow all the so you

(01:37:09):
can hear new episodes.
Uh, this is one of your firstepisodes you're finding uh, go
back and listen to old episodes.
Like we said, there's my uhspecial episode on on my
Ibogaine experience.
So if you uh want want to hearhow that was like, if you are
wanting to know more, you can dothat.
Um, you can do that.

(01:37:33):
But with that, we will see younext time on A Life in Six Songs
.
Thanks for listening andwatching.

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