Ep. 4 - Marching Bands and Whitney Houston: Stories of Laughter and Loss - A Life in Six Songs

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Carolina (00:00):
Listen and now it's now you have the visual that
goes with what we're about tolisten to.
Just as fuck as you're opposingteam like I don't know what is
David?

David (00:50):
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of a life in
six songs.
I'm your host, david Reese, andI'm joined by my co-host,
carolina, who also happens to bemy wife and my childhood friend
, raza.
For those of you that are newto the podcast, the whole goal
here is each week we embark onan epic adventure To find the

(01:13):
songs that are stuck to us likeaudible tattoos, that tell us
who we are and who we've been.
It's a life story told throughsix songs.
So let's have a, let's go havea listen together.
This week is super exciting.
It's our first episode With ourOutside guests.
The first few episodes we'vebeen, we interviewed each other.

(01:35):
They're the three of us so youcould get to know us.
So if you haven't watched those, make sure you go back and
check those out.
And so, yeah, I'm just Superexcited about our guests today.
It's the it's.
You know the reason why Iwanted to do this podcast to

(01:55):
just, you know, get connectedwith People in my life and have
these great conversations.
So our guest today is AndreaSnead, who I've known since high
school.
I'll give you a quick littlerundown of her professional
Biography.
Andrea has been a professionaland advocate for diversity,

(02:16):
equity, inclusion for over 20years and has proudly served 10
of those as a spiritedfacilitator.
She joined the United StatesTennis Association as director
of diversity and inclusion inJuly of 2021 and works closely
with community tennis, thesections, the US USDA foundation
and others to increaseawareness, relevance and
engagement among diversecommunities.

(02:38):
Andrea holds a bachelor'sdegree in business, a master's
degree in interdisciplinarystudies.
It is currently pursuing adoctoral degree in business.
When she is not watching sports, she spends her time working
with a collective of women,growing the sport of women's
tackle football with the women'snational football conference,
the WNFC.
See Andrea welcome.

Andrea (03:01):
Hey yo.

David (03:04):
Oh, this is so great, so good to have you on and and and
get doing this.
We'll get into all kinds ofstuff.
I'm gonna hand it over toCarolina, who's gonna kind of
get us going here.

Andrea (03:17):
Well hey Carolina.

Carolina (03:19):
Hey, um, I Love that you're our first guest.
Like I love that it's an Oldfriend.
I love that it feels likefamily, like the, exactly the
environment, that that we wanted.
So we're all super pumped tohave you.
I did not go to high schoolwith you.
We're as in David did.
So I'm gonna sit back and letyou all reminisce Quite a bit

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and I'm excited about that.
I don't know if that's a goodthing.
It is what it is we're about tosee.
So we're gonna kind of startoff by by throwing you a little
bit in the deep end.

Andrea (03:52):
You know, it's.

Carolina (03:53):
These things are journeys and they're they're
quite a ride.
They've got ups and downs asour lives do, so we're gonna
start a little bit in the deepend today and ask you the first
song is Around a time that youwere having just a difficult
time what song kind of helpedyou through that and and what
was that situation?

Andrea (04:11):
Hmm, I would probably say that the first one would be
well.
First of all, thank you forAllowing me to be a first year.
I really need to say that first.
So, thank you for allowing meto be your first guest because,
like the amazing, amazing NASCARdriver said, if you ain't first
year, last so, and you'rethrowing me in the deep end,

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it's cool, I know how to swim.
So, regardless of what thestereotype may say that that
song has to be greatest level ofall for me, if it really, it
really jumped started the very,very, very Unhealthy obsession
that I have with Whitney Houston.

(04:54):
It's, it's pretty bad, it's,it's so bad.

Carolina (04:59):
That's still going, isn't it?

Andrea (05:00):
It is still going oh.

Raza (05:03):
It is.
Look at the reveal.

Andrea (05:07):
There's even a photo on the back.
Yeah, it's pretty, pretty bad.
Rip, rip.
The reason that that song is isso, so close to me, though, is
and how this all kind of cameabout.
It's one of those kind ofmorbid little little things that

(05:28):
happened I remember distinctly.
It's it's like, so vivid, sothat's why I love you know the
name of this life in six songs.
Literally it's so vivid.
I remember being in our house inin Fort Lauderdale and
Blueberry Hill we lived ishilarious, but we I remember

(05:49):
being in the kitchen area and mymom was on the phone and I
overheard her talking to who Iknow now was my uncle in Tampa,
and we lived back and forth withmy great-grandmother.
I mostly grew up with mygreat-grandmother and Didn't
really live with my mom my mom,completely right, so we were

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going back and forth to Tampa,to Fort Lauderdale, tampa to
Fort Lauderdale.
So in 6th, 6th grade, myOverheard that conversation and
it was about my grandmother Washad passed away and I was super
close to her as she was, youknow, essentially like my, my
mom, because that wasn't really.
It was just a strange kind ofrelationship there because we

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were going back and forth.
So I just remember running inin in my room and I didn't nest.
We didn't necessarily grow upin the church, but I was pretty
Religious at the time and I justremember getting on my knees
because I, you know, that's whatyou do.
And you're in the church, youget on your knees and you pray
and she just takes awayeverything.
I'm just like she's not that,she's not that, she's not that,

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and I'm 10 at this time.
She's not that, she's not that,she's not that.
And then, no lie, mygrandmother Rest her soul.
My mom's mom comes into theroom, because the one that
passed away was my grandfather'smom comes into the room and she
says you know you're, you knowyou're.
Your great-great-grandmotherdied right, legit, that's how

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she broke the news to me and shejust closes the door, she
leaves and it was like I wasparalyzed, didn't know what to
do, turned on the radio.
I should you not turn on theradio?
105, 105, 105.
Yeah, hot, 105.

Carolina (07:40):
That's what it was hot 105.

Andrea (07:45):
Yeah, turn on the radio and this woman is belting this
Amazing and incredible,beautiful song.
I had heard you know WhitneyHouston before, but in that
moment it just became like ablanket and I Layed there and
just streams of tears Ran downmy face and it was just yeah, it

(08:11):
was pretty, pretty epic.
It was like it was out of themovie.
But then what, what startedhappening after that was just it
was not good I would.
I Used to.
I tried to find everything Icould on this woman.
I wanted to.
I needed to know her life, Ineeded to know everything about

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her and was truly, trulyobsessive.
All because it was so connectedto somebody that was so
important to me.
So I Mean, I remember in highschool I would write my name on
the paper and I would put nippyand that was Whitney Houston's

(08:52):
nickname.

Carolina (08:53):
That was her nickname.

Andrea (08:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, who does that?
It's pretty stalker ish.
I wrote, I wrote, I wroteletters to her.
So I one time I wrote a let.
I guess I wrote so many.
They mailed me.
I'm not lying, they mailed meWhitney Houston Fanclub card

(09:17):
Because they're like please,please stop, I give her
something right, please, pleasestop, please stop this little
girl.
And yeah, it never stopped.
And it's basically how how mywife and I got together honestly
, because she has a veryunhealthy obsession to with
Whitney Houston with Whitney.

(09:40):
She's got a whole tattoo andeverything, yeah, and we didn't
meet until, you know, in her, inher, in her 30s.

Carolina (09:48):
So see, whitney came back to pay you a solid and like
help you find your soulmate.
Let's take a quick.
Let's take a quick listen tothe Song boy.
We'll chat on the other side.

Andrea (10:01):
Yeah, I.

Carolina (10:42):
Want to sing it, I know.

Andrea (10:46):
That's all he hears is the drum.

David (10:50):
It's great.
A little truth to that.
No, it was funny actually when,when I was, you know, preparing
for today's episode and andpulling out the clips, I was
like this is like towards the,you know, end of the song, when
she really kind of hits it, andI was like that's got to be the
clip, because that's just whereyou feel it.

(11:11):
And then Carolina was actually,you know, sitting next to me
and I was talking and she waslike is it weird?
Just just kind of go right intothis epic thing and we're like
yeah, yeah.

Andrea (11:25):
So good, such a great song.

Carolina (11:27):
How does it feel Just the the associated memories and
everything you shared like?
How does it feel listening toit now?

Andrea (11:33):
Yeah, I think every time I listen to a Whitney song, I
rarely listen to that songBecause of that and I don't.
I didn't.
It didn't make me think aboutthat until I was writing things
down.
I said crap, but I really don'tlisten to that song
specifically a whole ton.
And you know, doing this mademe really kind of go through and

(11:56):
think about why, why don't Ilisten to that?
It's one of her best right andit's one of the most known, but
it does.
It takes me literally rightback to that moment and I think
every last song I I have and Ithink about in those moments

(12:16):
that are in those pinnacle timesfor me, it's because it
Literally takes me andtransports me back to that, to
that moment, and it brings upall all kind of good feelings,
happy feelings, have feelings,funny, funny things.
I think now, early on I wasreally upset for a really long

(12:36):
time about how, how my grandmatold me, how, how my grandmother
died.
But I think now I look back and, yeah, I don't want to tell a
10 year old how a family memberthat they were close to that.
I do not want to tell someonelike that because it was, you
know, a little cold and I don'tthink she meant it that way.

(12:57):
I think it really was.
Well, she's 10.
She probably won't reallyunderstand, or you know that,
that kind of thing.
So it was just really, reallyinteresting and I've had a lot
of loss in my life, a lot ofvery close people to me, so I
know it.
That's really what I take from.
That is alright.
Well, she loved me, but hey,whitney came out of it, my very

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unhealthy obsession.

Carolina (13:29):
I think David and I were talking about it last night
as we were preparing the songsfor today and particularly that
song, and we were like Just howpopular that song, what like I
think each of us had a memory oflike singing it at like
elementary or middle schoolrecitals.
I was like is this the songthat like catapulted all the
phrases around, like childrenare the future and stuff.

(13:51):
Like I Think the song wasEverywhere at the time and
trying to sing the WhitneyHouston is like an exercise in
itself.
Like you get to that chorus andyou're like the lung capacity.

Andrea (14:04):
You're, just you're, you're exhausted, so much into
it and you know you got to putall of that into it and I Dabble
in a little karaoke.
But I stay away from fromWhitney songs because they just
evoke so much emotion and I'llprobably start Crying on the
stage and that would just beawkward for people.

(14:24):
I Don't know if you will seethat.
I want to have fun.

Raza (14:33):
Yeah, not to be even more morbid, but I mean obviously you
know Whitney's.
Whitney's not around anymore.
I mean, was that?
How was that for you?
Was that you know?
I Mean it started you.
You were exposed to Whitney,you know, in a pretty
significant you know moment.
And then you know, andObviously, whitney's not around
anymore.

(14:53):
So I guess, just how does that?
What sort of emotion does thatbring up?

Andrea (15:01):
I Cried for days.
It was, it was really bad.
I cried for it.
Yeah, I Actually had hadsurgery and I was, again one of
these things I'll never forget.
I think a lot of people.

(15:21):
Oh, I remember where MichaelJackson was and I remember I was
on my, I was on my couch.
My son was really young at thetime and he it.
I was a single parent, so it wasalready, you know, tough
because I was at home and Icouldn't take him to To school.

(15:42):
So I was because I was onmedically for about a couple
weeks After my surgery and so hewas home with me that entire
time and all of a sudden thisjust breaks and he is Unsure of
what's happening to his mother.
Because I'm like on the groundand it was.
It's the most dramatic criestoo, but I was, I was in pain,

(16:05):
it and I'm not even embarrassedto say it right, she was so
impactful for me my entire lifeand just the how everything went
down with her and and what wentdown and and just the drugs and
everything.
And I mean I would.
I was Angry when people wouldsay she's a drughead, you better

(16:29):
, you better watch it, don't youtalk about.
It was as if somebody wastalking about nobody talks about
Whitney.
Did you?
Did I say that to you once?
Because I literally would saythat Don't talk about Whitney
Houston around me.
That is not okay.
I'm in my wife again with herunhealthy obsession.

(16:49):
We would say that to our kids.
You don't, you, even she is thegreatest, you, you, you hush
your face.
Right now it's pretty bad, butno, that's a Gosh.
Such a great, great question.
But yeah, I was.
I was pretty devastated for avery long time and still to this

(17:09):
day, things will happen likeher.
Her birthday is coming upreally soon, four days from now,
but you didn't hear me say that.
So it every, it's, it's alwaysa it's always, always, always a
tough time.

Raza (17:26):
Yeah, I think one of the sort of common denominators
where we've we've had and thisis, you know, this is just
episode number, I guess, foryou're the first sort of you
know Outsider, but the three ofus, and now you are sort of
carrying on that trend of we allhave that sort of one celebrity
.

Andrea (17:44):
An outsider.
What to try to skip over this?

Raza (17:59):
The first official guest, how about that?
But but I think we all havesort of that one celebrity or
the one Singer, songwriter,entertainer.
We don't know them in person,yeah, but but we feel connected.
Yeah, right, and I think foralmost all of us, I think for

(18:19):
almost all, I have one.
You know, dave has one, I thinkCarolina mentioned ones we have
.
They're not around, like whoeverare sort of sort of Celebrity
crush or celebrity person thatwe just feel connected to and
they spoke to us in some way.
Yeah, and you know there's.
They're not around there.
Rock stars don't live that longfor whatever reason, and and

(18:42):
and I think that's another kindof Running theme here as well
and it is hard.
I mean, I've got my person,dave's got his person.
Who is it for y'all?
Who's a free room?
Dave, you go first.

David (18:55):
Yeah, so.

Raza (18:59):
Go first.
Okay, so for me it was.

David (19:03):
And Andrea, you might we see who's running this interview
?
I just want to point that out.
We are not in charge.
What happens when you have a?

Andrea (19:15):
facilitator on it's.
It's hard.
How do you feel right now?

Raza (19:24):
I don't know if, dave, you probably remember this, but,
andrea, I don't know if youremember, but back in high
school I used to wear, like Imean, I was in heavy metal mode
it was black t-shirt.
There was this, oh, and thenminus sign green.
Oh, negative, that was type Onegative.
And yeah, they're, they'resinger.
That that was my band back then.
And and and then, yeah, I thinkit was about 2010.

(19:47):
Their singer, peter Steele.
Yeah, and it was just like, oh,like my life, just yeah, for a
good like week or so, just like.
How am I gonna, you know what,forget like the no more music
from these guys.
But you know, just this personwho you think you could relate
to and their music helped youthrough Is, you know, really
tough times and stuff like that.

(20:08):
And you don't know him.
Yeah, you know like, I saw thisdude on the street be like, get
the fuck away from me, who areyou?
But Exactly, exactly creepy.
So, yeah, so that was mine byyou.

David (20:23):
Mine is Neil Peart, the drummer and lyricist for Rush.
Um, you know, anyone who knowsme apparently knows me as the
rush fan.
That's, all the heads arenodding and so, yeah, he passed
away right at the beginning of2020, unexpectedly right.
I mean, he was, he was in hisearly 60s or 60s, but uh, but

(20:46):
yeah, brain cancer and it was Uh, yeah, it was tough.
It was tough because I mean,that's someone that's there for
me, like I was, that's who I wasdrumming to.
He was a writer also.
I read his books and I feltlike a similar type of
personality in ways to me, andso, and this is what's like so
great about, um, these storiesand and and and what I wanted to

(21:10):
get out with the, the podcast,is because, look, we have
different people for us rightfor you it's Whitney Houston,
for me it was Neil Peart.
However, the the feeling of thatis the same, and so you telling
me that about Whitney, if Ithink about Whitney Houston, I
don't necessarily get it becausethat's not the person for me,

(21:34):
but if I think about my person,I'm like oh, I, I, I, I totally
get it right, and so thespecifics are different, but the
, the underlying relation is, isthe same, and we, we have these
moments and so, yeah, that'swhat we, we want to share, and
so thank you for sharing all ofthis so far.
We're only on the first song andwe're this is going to be like

(21:56):
an eight hour podcast.

Andrea (21:58):
So, carolina, carolina, real quick.
Do you have?
Do you have someone like thatfor you?

Carolina (22:02):
I I don't have a specific person, but what?
What does happen to me quite abit and I just recently I was
having this conversation with,with our daughter Bella, about
um, the 27 club and and all ofthese epic Performers who who
died young, at 27, for alldifferent kinds of reasons

(22:23):
mostly.
You know, usually drug relatedand stuff like that.
But what I find a lot Um arethose artists that inspire you
and and now even more so justwith social media, Like how much
access we have to their livesand we get to know them as
people and how much we're likerooting for them.
And when they die or thingsdon't turn out like it hits you

(22:46):
personally about, like your ownlife and where you're headed.
And this can happen to me.
I had a.
I had a a strangely hard timewith twitch's death um the
dancer and yeah and um ellen'sde jane's death like that.
Who left behind a very, veryyoung family and the
circumstance of it and I Istruggle with that, not because
I was just like an epic, hugefan, but like the people that

(23:09):
you think are the happiest, thepeople that you're rooting for,
that like make you feel like,hey, life is going to be Okay
when they die.
It really rocks your world.
Yeah, and whatever perspectiveyou had on like are things going
to be okay for me?
Yeah like if they can't be okayfor these folks with all the
resources and all the things andtalent, like yep the loss of

(23:33):
voices and lyrics and art bypeople like whitney and and neil
, and I'm forgetting your guy'sname, rosa.
But now after hearing him afterhearing his music recently in
your In your episode like epicvoices that we don't get to hear
again, um, just makes me likesuper sad I struggle with it

(23:55):
quite a bit.

David (23:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's that sing, there's that saying of of
um.
You know People, people don'tpretend to be unwell, they
pretend to be okay, right, andso yeah yeah, sorry, rosa,
you're gonna say something when,uh oh yeah, no, I was just

(24:19):
gonna.

Raza (24:19):
If there's any, you know, tiny bit of silver lining in
this, is that we, they've leftbehind this catalog, this legacy
, and it's like, you know, thefact that we can still talk
about whitney and we can stilltalk about rush and we can still
talk about, you know, typo, umand twitch, it's, that's.
I guess that that's aconsolation prize, but but I

(24:42):
mean, I mean we do have that andI guess I'm glad for that that.
You know, a lot of people leavebehind Nothing, suffer in
silence and leave behind nothingand and and yeah, I mean, our
wedding party was Definitelywhitney inspired.

Andrea (25:00):
It was a karaoke wedding party, wedding party that we
did all the my wife's mom didall the decorations for and she
ordered whitney houston recordsand they were the center pieces
and the she.
She got these.
They're really creative.
I am not that, I'm a musician,that's all I got.
And they had these little masonjars and inside of the mason

(25:23):
jars were the lyrics to Loverfor life, which is my hands down
favorite whitney houston songthat not very many people know.
But it it was.
I just always said, said,excuse me, it's always said, wow
, that's such a great song tomaybe get married to, or
something like that.
So that's what, that's what wedid, and knowing that I had a, a

(25:43):
wife who was equally obsessedwith with whitney, was, was
great.
She always said she notches mebecause she, right here on her
arm, she has a microphone andwhitney's initials.
So Whatever, I guess she went.

David (25:57):
Not that it's a competition.
Oh, it's a competition, it's acompetition.

Andrea (26:03):
You saw how rosa was like uh, when I, when I
challenged him, I said what areyou scared to say?
You're a person?
And he's like oh, I'll say it'salways, I picked up on that.

Raza (26:15):
If I had sleeves, I'd roll them up.

Carolina (26:24):
All right, I'm gonna move us ahead, or or.
This is gonna be a one song, alife in one song A life in one
song.
We derailed so fast.
Our first guest interview, Ithink.
Uh, you know just just thestory about learning about your,
your um, great-grandmother'sdeath, that's.
That's really life changing andperspective changing for a kid,

(26:47):
right, the the coming to termswith the fact that life ends
like that's a lot for for alittle kid to process and digest
.
Um, so, but there's other timesin your life when you're
exposed to new perspectives, newgenres, new things.
Right, we don't, we don't everstop learning.
So, um, for your next song,what?

(27:09):
What was the song that thatkind of opened you up to an
entirely new perspective?
And how did that happen?

Andrea (27:15):
Yeah, it was definitely right through you.
Uh, by linus morcet, andsometimes I'll.
Sometimes I get in my car andI'm like I've got a playlist
that says alternatives and it'severything that I say is
alternative.
So, which is basicallyeverything that's not r&b and
hip-hop, so go.

David (27:36):
Go see.
I mean there's truth in thatit's an alternative to being
hip-hop.

Andrea (27:41):
Yeah so it is.
So that actually was the song.
I heard that song and, um, as amusician, I actually love to
sing as well, right, so I didn'treally do that much in in high
school, but I loved, absolutelylove to sing and and I think
it's what drew me to music andplaying music in the first place

(28:02):
.
So I heard this song and thiswoman's voice and what she could
do with it.
Um, and the acoust.
There was an acoustic versionthat she did.
You remember in mtvs to dothose acoustic.
I can't remember what that'sunplugged, yeah, the unplugged,
and she did that and it was.
It just blew my mind and Istarted looking up all of these

(28:24):
other things and I think I heardand in caroline, in your
podcast, rob, I think it wasrosa who said something.
Oh, no, maybe it was David whosaid something about scobby's.
Again, I'm like it turned me onto, no doubt in just this whole
group blind melon, and I'm like, oh, my god, these are great
and I absolutely fell in lovewith that sound in the 90s and

(28:50):
again, still still going.
There's just days where I needto listen and that song Always
starts it.
Yeah, for some reason, I alwaysstart with that song and I just
go down the rabbit hole.

Carolina (29:03):
Let's, let's, take a listen.

Raza (29:11):
You took me for a joke.
You took me for a joke you tookalong her, look in my ass and
then played golf for a while.
You shake us like a fish.
You pet me on the head, took meout all night, 69 me, but then

(29:32):
in here I damn what I said.

Andrea (29:34):
She like her, oh, oh, I know right her.
Oh, oh, oh, yeah, I feel likeher, oh, oh, oh, I walk right
through her, oh oh yeah, you cantell the band, the band, the

(30:05):
band people.
You can always tell the bandpeople because we hear
everything, everything, and Ithink that's what I love about
really this type of music, thisgenre of music.
It makes me think of thedifferent band instruments that
are a part of it.
Right, I think sometimes in hiphop or R&B we don't really

(30:27):
always get that, becauseeverything is always sometimes
so synthesized or it's just atrack that's laid.
But the live music I thinkthat's why I love Prince so much
, because he played all of thesedifferent instruments, but that
song specifically.
And again, I started going downthis rabbit hole with Alanis

(30:50):
and then, all of a sudden, Ilearned that she had made
previous albums and they weremore like pop and I was like
what is this?
Oh, this is bad.
Yeah, yeah, she made albumsbefore that.
Did you know?
She used to date Joey from FullHouse?
No, no, I know, she was likeRyan.

Carolina (31:13):
Reynolds for a hot bit or something like that.
I didn't know that I think so.

Andrea (31:18):
I started a rumor that ain't true.
Right, we gotta be, careful,she's Canadian, she'll be okay.
But yeah, I think just all ofthose things are very
fascinating to me and just Iloved her voice and she really
she did it up in the 90s.
Man, she did it up in the 90s.

Raza (31:38):
Her voice was amazing.
That was probably the firsttime that I heard like.
I mean, she was very that I'mnot.
Is this from that same?
The Jagged Little Pill album?
Yep, yeah, and that firstsingle you ought to know is just
like wow she's angry.
That's the first time I've heardlike female anger in a song.

(32:00):
But then there's sarcasm andthere's emotion and there's like
a little bit of vengeance andrevenge and like a few.
You know it was, yeah, it's allthat lumped it was.
And, by the way, she was 19when that album came out, so
whatever pop stuff she did waseven before that.

Andrea (32:19):
Yes, that's that's what, yeah, what Totally so good she
was.
She was.
I don't think she wasunderrated at the time, but I
don't think people talk abouther now when they talk about the
great 90s grunge, grunge, great90 grunge, music things.

(32:40):
Yeah, and I don't think peopletalk about her when at least now
you know when I hear peopletalk about folks.
But you know Blink 182, youknow all those folks but I don't
hear Alanis.
But she was, yeah, she wasangry Rosal.

Raza (32:57):
You know, taylor Hawkins just passed away right Another
another great you know FooFighters, drummer for Foo
Fighters and one of the.
I remember watching one of thelike the memorial shows that
they did for him, because TaylorHawkins is playing drums even
on this track.
Yeah, I think he played drumsfor that entire album.

(33:18):
Yeah, he was like an obsessionguy then.
Yeah, so Alanis got on stageand played you out of no at the
Taylor Hawkins Memorial.
Oh God that.
If you guys can find a video ofthat, I gotta look that up.

Carolina (33:29):
Epic Epic.
His memorial concert, I want tosay, was nominated for an Emmy
or something like that.

Raza (33:36):
Wow, okay, makes sense Because it was so like epic.

David (33:39):
Nice, that's amazing.
If we, if we find it, we'lllink it in the show notes.
Yeah, that's awesome.

Carolina (33:45):
Yeah.

Andrea (33:46):
I didn't know that every song.

Carolina (33:48):
When I was listening to it last night and I was
thinking about like myconnection to Alanis Morcette,
also as a, as a person that cameof age in the 90s, and how she
spoke to me and I was like therewere other artists at the time,
I feel like there was this likeuncovering of female artists
that were cursing and just like,had this rage and talking about

(34:11):
these things.
That like I felt too, you know,like the revenge and just the
pain of breakups, but in thisvery like F you kind of way, not
this just like, oh, like myheart is broken, you know, kind
of way.
Right and I was like who elsewas from this time and it was
like whole right Courtney lovesme and it was like raging and
rocking garbage, no doubt Evenlike sultry, like Fiona Apple

(34:35):
and just like all of theseartists.

Raza (34:37):
She was so good, that little like microcosm of a time.

Andrea (34:44):
Wasn't the cramps, the cranberries too.
What was the?

Raza (34:47):
cranberries.

Carolina (34:49):
She passed away as well she passed away as well.

David (34:51):
The loracera done.

Carolina (34:53):
Phenomenal time, I think, female driven lead music
that we were lucky enough togrow up in.

Andrea (35:01):
You know, even, even, I think, even.
I seem to remember Cheryl Crowewas really big around that time
I didn't really listen toCheryl Crowe, but I just
remember, like you said,caroline, all of these
incredible women, that it waslike liberating their time in
music, and it the same washappening in hip hop at the time

(35:23):
the MC lights, the Queen,latifahs, like the Warren Hills,
every.
It was happening in every genreof music, which was pretty
phenomenal, honestly, yeah.

Carolina (35:33):
Yeah.

Andrea (35:36):
Gosh, we're such music heads.
I love it.
I am not a sneakerhead, I'mdefinitely a music head, though.

Carolina (35:42):
A music head.
Yeah, I'm not a sneakerheadeither, it's a less expensive
habit.

Andrea (35:52):
So unless you broke broke your tape, you broke your
tape, you're you're in trouble.
You got to go find a peachesand go get another one.
I say that because I stood inline at peaches at midnight to
get a Whitney Houston album.
Yeah, I was one of those.
Yes, yes.

Carolina (36:11):
For folks that are unfamiliar peaches was a record
store chain in the United StatesFrequented for everything Like
like when records would woulddrop right.
You'd have to wait, physically,wait in line to go get them.
We were explaining to Bella,our daughter, one day about,
like how you'd have to wait allnight for concert tickets.
Right, you're like in this linethat wraps around the peaches

(36:32):
location.
Wherever it was, I think ourswas like sunrise near the beach
or whatever.
You yeah, yeah.

David (36:40):
It was about halfway to the beach from like plantation.

Carolina (36:42):
It's like you and a couple of thousand people
wrapped around this joint andthen you'd get up to the desk
and like but everybody else isso.
Either it was sold out by thetime you got to the front or
they would have the laminatedpictures of the stadium seating.
You know that you'd have to goSee where I don't want to go.

Andrea (36:58):
Oh my God, shit was so online stubble over no no, no,
so that that's.

Carolina (37:04):
that's what peaches is for folks that are.

Andrea (37:07):
But that's where you met people too.
That's where you met.
I was met friends and you justmet.
I was just going to say thatyeah.

David (37:14):
You'd be standing in the sitting in the line and you
chatting because you got hoursto kill.
So you just start talking andyou're all fans of whatever
group you're going to buytickets for.
So, yeah, yeah.
Not talking to anyone while I'min the online queue, that's for
sure.

Andrea (37:27):
Talking to yourself, which.

David (37:28):
Yeah Is it always good, especially if you.
Damn you To yourself.

Carolina (37:32):
Yeah, oh, my goodness gracious.

Andrea (37:38):
All right, so just thinking about trying to do it
for this.

Carolina (37:43):
We are trying so hard in thinking about just
transitions in life and newperspectives and new genres will
kind of keep this thread going.
Yeah For your next song.
What's?
What's a song that youassociate with with a weighty
transition in your life, and ifyou're comfortable sharing what
was that transition, yeah.

Andrea (38:06):
Definitely, definitely coming out.
That's it, I'm gay.
For the listeners, I think thatyou hear folks talk a lot about
oh, you know, when you come out, you're constantly coming out,
you're coming out over and overand over and all of that.
But they also don't always talkabout how long the actual

(38:30):
coming out takes, where you gofrom.
Okay, I'm definitely in thecloset and I want anyone to know
to.
Okay, I want this many peopleto know I'll let this circle and
then maybe I'll.
Okay, that circle is good,maybe I'll add in this circle
because you have differentcircles and network of friends
and family members, right,you've got your immediate family

(38:52):
or distant family.
So that whole process took me agood seven years to where I,
you know, finally went from.
I was completely in the closetto I'm completely out and I'm
just, you know, walking aroundand I don't care.
Who knows I'm gay, right?
I don't know what made me pausebefore I said gay, as if I was

(39:16):
nervous to say I was gay.
That was weird but I actuallydidn't come out until starts
coming out until I was 28.
And then I think actually morealong the lines of 20, we'll say
25, because I had my son at 24and I knew, I think I knew I was

(39:36):
gay, probably around 21.
I had no clue, and let me just,I had no clue in high school.
I would get mad when peoplewould say, oh she's, you're gay.
Like don't you call me gay, youwant to fight, you want to
fight?
I think back and like, oh myGod, I missed out on so many

(39:58):
women.
I missed out on so many women.
And I remember distinct,distinctly to the song that just
kept coming up and coming up,that I would go back to whenever
I was.
Just no, I can't do this.

(40:19):
And it was Yolanda Adams song.
She's a gospel artist and it'sopened my heart and just we were
talking earlier about kind ofthe moments in the song where it
just gets really big.
That song is just kind ofsmooth the whole way through and
then there's these littlemoments like like, kind of like

(40:41):
this, and little crescendos andthen it goes back down and
little moments and then it goesback down.
But overall it's pretty smoothall the way through and I would
think, because I everythingwould go through my mind God's
going to hate me, I'm going togo to hell, I'm going to get
killed or shot because peopledon't like gay people and

(41:02):
there's so many.
Is anyone going to?
How am I going to date a woman?
This is crazy.
I've only dated men and I didn'treally like dating men, but
still that's what you'resupposed to do, right?
I mean, I have a kid, oh my God.
And you just start stressingand you have all of these things
I had about all of these things.
And then you tell that firstcircle, and that circle was
incredible.
Then you tell the next circle,and that circle was great.

(41:24):
You tell the next one andyou're like that didn't go so
well, let's go back, let's goback in, let's go back in.
And after every one of thosemoments, I just remember playing
this song and either, you know,one day it's really uplifting
and powerful, and then anotherday I'm super sad.
So it just evokes so manystrange feelings and emotions,

(41:50):
and I love singing it too,because you want to add them.
Talk about a voice.

Carolina (41:55):
Yes, yeah, another beautiful, beautiful voice.
Let's take a listen.
Now, what if I choose the wrongthing to?

Andrea (42:29):
do?
I'm so afraid afraid ofdisappointing you.
So I need to talk to you andask you for your guidance,
especially today.

(42:50):
Like those words how did youknow?
How did you know, Yolanda?
Yeah, you can't really tell me,Carolina.
Your face is like yeah.

Carolina (43:05):
Well, I'm reading through your questionnaire and
reading, like you know,specifically like what you just
shared, what memory is tied tothis song and I hadn't heard it.
So I, like you know, cue it upand she sings so clearly that
like the lyrics are, you know,and I'm just like I just picture
, like not just you, but everykind of LGBTQ kid that's like,

(43:29):
sitting there trying to figureout how to do this, like alone,
not wanting to disappoint theirsociety, their parents, their
loved ones.
They're, you know, just like,struggling and grappling with
this choice, and I just want tolike hug like somebody, like,
but the song is just beautiful.

Andrea (43:49):
I am so and my wife and I talk about this all the time.
Just, I get so empowered by ouryouth who are so brave to come
out.
I laugh and I kid and I, youknow, joke about the women I

(44:09):
missed out on.
Okay, maybe that's not as muchjoke, but I digress.
You know I kid about the womenthat I lost out on.
But in all honesty, I reallywas lost in high school and I
really do truly believe that Iprobably would be doing not so

(44:30):
great things had I not had hadbanned.
I felt it kept me grounded.
I was around a group of peoplewho really did accept me for the
you know nerdy musician that Iwas and I really felt like I
could be myself to a certainextent If I knew one person that

(44:51):
was gay in high school.
I didn't know anyone, no one inmy family.
I didn't know anyone in highschool.
If I would have had just oneperson that was out.
That because I always say,whenever I'm facilitating
anything from an inclusionarystandpoint and a culture
standpoint, people go where theysee themselves.
If I would have had just oneperson, I really felt like it

(45:15):
would have made my music better.
I felt like it would have mademe as a human being better.
I probably could have.
So that's why you know, youththat come out to their family,
youth that are hiding from theirfamily but out to their friends
.
I just I'm so empowered by justall of their bravery because I

(45:36):
think back to my I was not brave.
The writing was on the wall.
David Rosal, y'all cannot tellme.
Y'all did not think I was gay.

Raza (45:46):
I, frankly, I had no idea Rosal was to.
Rosal, your hair was, youcouldn't really see his body but
oh, I mean, I remember I, so Iremember you being a complete
badass.
I was like Andrea, you know,like you, you sort of love
people in different categoriesor whatever.
Your category was badass, itwasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't

(46:11):
related to or I had no ideaabout anyone's orientation or
anything like that.
I was going to actually ask youa question and I want to
approach this very, very sort ofcarefully, delicately but and
you don't have to name names,but I'm just, I'm curious about
you mentioned you came out toyour, to your circle.
So is is, and I'm guessing it'sdifferent for for different

(46:34):
people.
But was your circle like closefamily first and then went
outward, or was it friends andthen the last piece of the
puzzle was your immediate family?
How did I can.

Andrea (46:44):
I'm good with name and names.
The first first people I cameout to was, ironically, david,
amy Dalymba we talked about Amya little earlier and I came out
to Amy Dalymba and there was acouple of other people that we
hung out with and and it was myand Kalea, and I came out to
those three first and first ofall, all of their reactions was,

(47:10):
oh my God.
Finally, oh it was.
You know, it was the dramaticsfor me, it was all right, we
need to go to dinner.
I'll be in, I'll be in fullorder dill.
So please, let's get together.
We need to talk and you know,we, we left.

(47:31):
I can't even remember where ourkids were, because Amy had had
her, her, her daughter, and Ihad my son and with the kids
were somewhere.
I was like okay.
So I have something to tell youall.
I don't remember the restaurant,but I remember what it looked
like.
So I have something to tell youall.
And they're like all on pinsand needles.
One of them was like are youpregnant?

(47:52):
Again I said no, no, that wasnot a fun experience for me and
I did that because I felt like Ineeded to, but glad I did
because I love my son, but neveragain, no.
And then finally I said I'm gayand it was a literal right.

(48:15):
Do you have a girlfriend?
Or I'm like no, I'm, I'm, I'mgay, that's, that's the thing.
And they said, yeah, we know,we were just waiting for you to
figure it out.
Yeah and that was that reactionand it was just they were
themselves and they.
It was just absolutelyincredible.

(48:36):
There were no hugs, like theydidn't make a massive deal out
of it.
The thing that they did, whichwas absolutely hilarious, was so
which one of us do you, wouldyou date?
And then when I told them,they're like of course it's her.
Oh my gosh.

Carolina (48:55):
You gotta love your friends.

Andrea (48:57):
Got it.
But yeah, no, that's afantastic question and I, you
know it doesn't.
I think years ago again, duringthat seven year, those seven
years, I probably would havenever said that or wanted or
felt comfortable to answer thatquestion because, you know, I
really wasn't out and I didn'trealize it was that long of a

(49:17):
span of time until I got to myjob that I was at for 11 years,
worked at UCF for 11 years, andit was the very first job in
place that I was fully out andthat was the last part of my
kind of coming out.
Transition was when you'refully out at work, because at
work it's, it's even moredifficult than it is coming out

(49:41):
to your friends or to yourfamily and your, your family, in
my opinion, because, dependingon where you work, because
that's your livelihood, I had akid to take care of.
So if you can't, yes, you can'tfire someone for that, but it
happens, right?
It?

Carolina (50:00):
still happens.
You know what happens.
Yeah, the risk is real.

Andrea (50:03):
I was really worried, I was really scared and I think,
having just meeting some of thepeople that I met with and I
remember them having these safezone placards in their offices
when I went on my interview andI went around the office and
they had these little safe zone.
And if you don't know what safezone is, it's a basically a
training for people to reallylearn and understand the LGBTQ

(50:27):
plus community.
And when you get this placard,it's a pride flag and it says
safe zone certified or somethinglike that on it.
So you go through this courseso that people like me who are
walking around this building arethinking, oh wow, okay, I'm
okay here, I'm comfortable here.
Well, my dumb self had no ideathat that's what that was.

(50:50):
I literally thought everyonewas gay.
It's going rough.

Carolina (50:55):
Oh, you thought the signs meant everyone.

David (50:57):
That's awesome.

Andrea (51:02):
I literally thought everyone was gay.
I'm home.

Raza (51:08):
I love that.

Andrea (51:11):
I was still the only one .
I was still the only one, butit was.
You know, it was good.
But that's the point, right,people go where they see
themselves.
So, yeah, it was good.

Raza (51:23):
Awesome.
No, thank you.
Thank you for sharing that,though.

Carolina (51:29):
Moving us ahead, but actually we're going to move
back.
So time travel to you a littlebit.
There We'll zoom out of kind ofthe heavy and the weighty
transitions of your life andwe're going to ask you for that
song that instantly transportsyou back to a specific time and
place in your life.
What is it?

Andrea (51:52):
Santorini, and I'm not talking about Greece.
I am talking about that'sGreece, right?

Carolina (51:58):
Yeah.

Andrea (51:59):
So long Can we edit?
We're going to edit that out,listeners now.
Santorini by Yanni is a songthat takes me and puts me in
this red, white and blue uglyass uniform Actually, the newer
uniforms were way better thanthe old ones With my horn in my

(52:23):
hand, standing on the 50 yardline, raising it, waiting,
waiting for the announcer to sayBand drum, major, is your band
ready?
That's what it makes me thinkof and I put my freaking horn up
and me and my two friends arestanding flanked of me and we

(52:48):
start playing.
No one else is playing and westart the playing.
That's what I think about.
That's what I think about.

Raza (53:01):
And do you remember when we were called?

Andrea (53:05):
Yep, we going to do that right now.

David (53:08):
No, we were talking about that last night.

Andrea (53:12):
The fact that our high school's name and yeah, Let me
tell you about it the year ofthe plantation kernels freshman
year.
I will never forget going inthe we had the PE it was like PE
and health kind of thingsitting in this classroom and

(53:33):
again, I'm a freshman, you knowsitting in this classroom.
I'm sitting in the back, whichI knew I shouldn't have sat in
the back because I got thisthing with being a black person
sitting in the back of the room.
In case you're wondering, I satin the back and I was like dang
, I really don't want to sit inthe back, I need to sit in the
front.
So I sat in the back, turnedaround and it was this big ass

(53:54):
mural of this racist lookingkernel.
I said, oh, where am I?
I was.
So I said, oh, this is going tobe good.
Even though the middle schoolwent to plantation middle, it
was still named the same.
But that, that image of thatkernel, it's geared into my

(54:17):
brain and of course all of myfriends make fun of oh, you went
to a plantation.
Hey, you're on the plantation.
Okay, all right, yeah, bring onall the jokes, yeah, yeah, but
they change it to a C.

Carolina (54:31):
Yeah, like they're not the kernels anymore, right?

Andrea (54:35):
Well, I think it's still the kernels.
I don't think it's changed.
No, I don't think it's.
I heard it.

David (54:41):
I heard it change that they're the plantation.
Was it pythons or something?
I heard they changed the mascotor there was talks of changing
the mascot.

Andrea (54:51):
There was talks, but I remember when we were in high
school they actually changed itfrom Remember they had the
kernel that was on the helmetand they changed it to the C,
like the Cincinnati Reds C.
Right, yeah, but anyway, fans,that's what this goes back to.
Yeah, yeah, we ended up puttingthat.

(55:12):
Our band director shout out toV David Carbone.
That poor guy man, we gave himhell.
He was fresh out of college.

David (55:24):
But just a few years older than us.

Andrea (55:26):
Yeah, my sister was older than him.
My sister was older than him,so I would clash with him so
much Like, oh, I'm with you, mysister is older than you.
But then, five minutes later,could you please play more,
because you're just so talentedand so incredible.
This is this weird big brotherobsession.
But he, him and his friends,they arranged this incredible

(55:49):
arrangement of all of theseYanni songs and it just
skyrocketed us into oblivion.
I never looked at music thesame again, because he just man.

Carolina (56:03):
Wow.

Andrea (56:04):
Yeah, still to this day.

Carolina (56:06):
Well, let's take a listen, yep you go.

Andrea (56:55):
Because you, just you, oh man, it's so excited.
And he did this in our drumbreak, was we?
We were the only band.
We had a full frickingorchestra pit on the sideline
Like on, who does that for amarching band?
We had timpani's, everything.

(57:17):
It was just yeah, speechless.
Rosa, did you answer that?

Raza (57:24):
Yeah, no.
So we were, I was, I had thebig bass drum, but no, the drum
line wasn't marching then, butwe had the killer drum solo,
holy crap, I was telling Davelast time.
So I can't read music.
And we, yeah, so when, when?
No, I can't.

(57:44):
Guitar tabs, yeah, but, but no,I could not tell you see, from
E to what on the music notation,no idea.
So we learned that drum, drum,break, drum solo, like, we
learned it by ear, we did it insections.
And when we did, you know, likethe band camp, the infamous

(58:06):
band camp you know, going into,I guess, 10th or 11th grade,
yeah, we, so I mean we learnedit by ear.
I know, dave, I mean Dave, comeon, dave, he can do anything.
So the snare drums basicallytaught the rest of us all of the
little parts when we did it insections.

Andrea (58:26):
And, oh my, God, yeah, I did not know that, I did not
know, ok, so it's like myblowing right now.
I'm going to go back toeverything I'm just thinking
about, because usually low brassin the drum line would always

(58:48):
be on the bus for for the forpretty much everything.
But I'm just thinking about howwe used to be on the bus, on
the bus Either to a competitionor to a football game and
literally singing our parts onthe bus, doing doing the show on

(59:10):
the bus.
We were so in love with the show.

David (59:15):
Yeah, we do a full like run through.

Andrea (59:16):
I want to say yeah, beating on the on the seats.
And yeah, for some reason, wewould then start to transition
to I don't know if you rememberthis, but I think about it all
the time we would transition toTV show songs.
Tv show theme songs, yes, weird, the weirdest things and to
this day I still love TV showtheme songs.
But just the fact that this manand I think it was him, and in

(59:45):
deep, that, my deep that endedup doing this entire arrangement
, I think people underestimateBand like the band kids and the
kids that marched and didcompetitions, sometimes At what
goes into it.
We may not have been footballplayers on the field, right, but

(01:00:08):
holy moly, our, our halftimeshows.
When he came in, oh my God, Imean.
Remember Mr Hudson, rememberour show Freshman Year, david.
Oh my God, so terrible.
Carolina, we had, like theseWhite sheets, literal sheets, oh
my literal sheets on ouruniform.

David (01:00:31):
Kind of like a cape, yeah , but they only hang.
They hung like on one side orsomething under the lapel, but
they were long.
They would go like to your kneeor something crazy.

Carolina (01:00:43):
Did it get in the way of?

David (01:00:44):
the interest.

Yes, I imagine oh dear .

David (01:00:48):
Oh my, it was so.
That was.
We had these long plumes Likenormally.
It's just like a little featheron top.
But this was like and all theparents were making them it was
this hanger and then all ofthese metallic strips tied on
them, so it was just a hanger.

Andrea (01:01:07):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Take that, I remember it's likea line God, there's got to be a
picture somewhere out there.
No, I hope they're all burned.
I need them to be all burned.

I need to put a visual to this description.

Andrea (01:01:24):
It would get caught.
It was so.

David (01:01:27):
You remember standing there and going like this it was
so big, it would come down andcome behind you and it had, like
I said, these streamers comingoff, so they kind of sit on your
shoulder and so the drum linewhen we put our drums on, you've
got these shoulder.
You know, I know what you callthem shoulder harness, harness,

(01:01:48):
thank you, thank you, and itwould get stuck on there, but
you wouldn't know at first.
And then you try and turn yourhead and you're like, oh, I mean
, here's so bad.

But that's what they mean.
All kinds of people get intheir heads jerked back by these
boys.

David (01:02:08):
Or they would be, they would.
They were just in a hole in theshake of the cup shape, shake
of yes, oh, my goodness, allthese terms I haven't mentioned
forever.
And sometimes when we catchsomeone's and it would spin
around.
So instead of going backwardslike a main, it would go forward
like a little kitten toy andhanging in front where you could

(01:02:29):
like.

Andrea (01:02:32):
You have to be still.
When you're at the competitionyou have to be still.
You can't.
So we're standing out oftension and you're going oh, but
that's what made all the all,the, all the the not that not
good show.

(01:02:52):
Freshman year, I think junioryear was also a not so great
show.
Oh yeah, oh right, yeah, yeah,we played that.
It was all.
But the screen year, sophomoreyear that was his, that was
Garbones first year with us wasabsolutely phenomenal.
So we're thinking when we had anot so great year the following

(01:03:16):
year, we're like, uh, senioryears cost can be so bad.
We we were at band camp and Iremember playing this for the
first time and said we're goingto win everything.
We are going to win everythingbecause our for band camp we
were separated from the drumline, so they're learning their

(01:03:37):
thing, we're, we're learning ourthing, music wise.
And then you come together andyou have, uh, drill, drill stuff
, so you learn the drill andthen in the evening you do the
whole run through with everyone.
So we didn't really know whatwas going on with the drum line.

They didn't really know what was going on with us.

Andrea (01:03:56):
But when you finally do this, run through with everyone
on the last day, with yourparents there and everything, it
just it blew our mind.
So we it was.
It was almost like we knew youknow what we had this swagger
about us.
This is going to be the show,and sure enough that very first,
the first competition we didwas the Heartland Invitational.

(01:04:19):
And watch you look, florida andwe're we're playing.
Our band was smaller, I wouldsay we 75 people at the most,
and you know you have the, theJP, terrell, bella's and the
creek and all of those schools.
I remember.
Do you remember saying beatCreek at competitions?
We used to say that all thetime.

David (01:04:40):
I don't remember it, but yes, I remember.
I remember the thing, Iremember all the things we used
to say when you get called toattention.

Andrea (01:04:48):
Yeah, and that was one of them, because we wanted that.
That band was like 200 pieceand you know, you, you start
seeing all of these great onesLike we're freaking good.
What do you mean?
We're great musicians and youknow we were doing.
We were doing yoga at band campbefore.
It was cool.
We were literally like yoga andmeditation type things and

(01:05:12):
visualizing our, our horninstructor would have us all
laying down and even outside onthe pavement.

David (01:05:18):
Yeah, We'd be in the middle of running through
everything practicing and hewould stop us all and be like
everyone lay down right whereyou are, yep, yep, and then go
through this meditation.
It was, it was all, yeah, itwas all about um, uh.
His metaphor was, you know,starting from the top of your
head, and it was like look, itwas like let the water run out,
and then there were littledrains on the ground and just

(01:05:41):
let all of that run out of yourbody into the drains in a way.
And yeah, none of us knew likethis was meditation or whatever.
It was just like oh, this isreally cool.
And then after we, when we gotup, we're like you're clear, I
feel better.
Yeah, yeah, I feel better.

Andrea (01:05:58):
And you don't connect those dots until again later, um
, and I started realizing, holycrap, that that was, that was
why we had such greatperformances and we, just we
were able to let go and be freeand just let everything come
through those horns and I meanit's.
It's the same feeling that Iwould have when I would play

(01:06:20):
sports.
You know, uh, same, exact, same, exact thing, same exact thing,
and I mean that's all that,that's all.
That whole show was justincredible.
Thank you, thank you, carbone,seriously.

Raza (01:06:36):
Thank you for for for bringing that, all those
memories back up.
I mean, this is absolutely.
When I saw Yanni on the list,I'm like, oh my gosh, this is
going to be so good.

Andrea (01:06:48):
So is it?
Is it good that I'm constantlyliving in the past, or what's
your life Right?

I mean we're asking you to reflect back, right?

David (01:06:58):
So it's a it's a, it's a question, it's a purpose driven
yeah.

Raza (01:07:02):
Purpose driven discussion.

David (01:07:03):
Yeah, it's, it's a definite question I have, you
know, in in putting this podcasttogether and wanting to have
these conversations, is it, youknow, are?
Are we doing this sort of justunhealthy nostalgia where we
just aren't living in thepresent and we're just living in
the past?
And I, I see it as you know, wetalk about our past because a

(01:07:27):
lot of times we don't right, wedon't go back and kind of, you
know, think it through and talkit through and all those types
of things.
And so, I see it as you know,we're going through the past to
give us guidance and and uh uh,insight for now and what's
coming forward in ways, right, Isee it as you know, we're

(01:07:47):
telling these stories andhopefully people listen to them.
It it opens them up a littlebit.
It feel, makes them feel alittle bit connected, makes them
feel like they're not alone andstuff which is all about moving
forward, right.

Andrea (01:07:59):
As we get older, I think we sometimes forget what.
What gave us so much energy asa kid?
What gave us so much excitement?
What made us happy?
Uh, I tend to talk about a lot,either when I'm facilitating or
when I'm just at work.
People are always like how doyou have so much energy at work?

(01:08:20):
You're constantly smiling,you're always and and I don't
tell them this, but that I dothat because If I really sat
down and thought about all thefrustrations or the tragedies
that I've had in my family andI've had just in my life overall

(01:08:43):
, I probably would not be in agood place.
So, having gone through, youknow, depression and things like
that and having anxiety,currently I have to do those
things.
So I have to.
I've had to consciously sitdown and think what are those

(01:09:03):
things that bring me joy?
And those things that bring mejoy is music, playing music.
I cared about absolutely nothingthroughout high school, not
even classes, nothing but butbut music.
Music was my everything.
It wrapped me up inside.
Like I said, mentioned earlierthat that song was my blanket.

(01:09:26):
Um, even now I don't do verymuch without some sort of music,
some sort of uh, when some ofmy folks at work.
They say you're like a walkingjukebox, you, you're constantly
either humming or singing orsomething.
And you know, it's taken me awhile to really realizing, come

(01:09:48):
to the come to the conclusionthat, wow, I really.
That was why I was so intomusic back then, because it just
gave me this feeling inside.
So you know, I I joke when Isay, um, living in the past.
But no, man, there's just somedays where I need, I need to
relive those moments.

(01:10:09):
And of Yanni and you know I was, I love, I love my horn, I love
my horn, man.
So I still may or may not havea euphonium in my garage.

David (01:10:23):
Nice, bust that out, right, right, I need, I need
like bust it out like the highschool football Letterman jacket
.
Look at me.

Andrea (01:10:35):
That, literally, is what my kids said to me what's up
when?
What are you?
It's like your jacket orsomebody still have this thing,
you don't even play it.
You don't understand, you justdon't understand.

I, I hear you, I, I, I was not in band.
I don't play any instruments.
Um, I love music but I'm not amusician.
Uh, and when I was, I just lovewatching the three of you just
like flow down memory lanebecause I can clearly see the
effect this had on all of you.
Um, when I was listening to thesong preparing for this, I, I

(01:11:10):
was like I've heard of Yanni butI wasn't super familiar with
like just the fact they'reinstrumental.
Listening to David and I'm likethere's no words to the song
and he was like I'm just gonnastop you right there.

Raza (01:11:23):
It's better not talk about Yanni like that.

Like, look, you don't get it.
You're not going to get it.
This is about band, we'll talkabout it on the podcast.
But like that's what this is.
And I was like, okay, all right.
Um, and so, while the three ofyou just like joyfully relive
this time in your life, um isreally fun for me to watch.
I think, for a number ofdifferent reasons, high school

(01:11:47):
can be just so fucking hard, um,that you just got to find
whatever way to get through itand survive.
You're you're trying to findyourself.
You're like not finisheddeveloping.
You know um all kinds ofexternal sources out there, from
bullying to just romanticissues to your family, like it's
just a rough time that you gotto get through, um and so, if

(01:12:10):
this is what did it for all ofyou and gave you like community,
and gave you clearly somelessons and things that you're
still pulling from today, muchlater in your lives, like it's
really awesome to watch.

Andrea (01:12:23):
Wait, not much later, just later yeah.

Like a hot second way Eons down the road now.

David (01:12:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I, I uh going back to kind of the
nostalgia question and stuff,like I see it in this way of an
Andrea, when you were justexplaining that and seeing your
passion, that that you had andhave for music, that I saw in
you.
Right, like Raza said, you know, my memory of you is a badass

(01:12:55):
right, like you said, like youare, you were, you know um, she
had the bandana and the horn.

Raza (01:13:01):
That's just killed this.
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna kill this.

David (01:13:05):
Yeah, just that, that that energy you brought with
everything, just you know,wonderful, and I see it in a way
a little bit of, um, like wesaid, as we get out of you know,
and we, we come adults and anddo these things?
Um, we can.
We can start doing things wethink we're supposed to do.

(01:13:26):
Right, I'm supposed to be.
It's time to grow up.
It's this, you know, and thatwas what I did when I left high
school and went to college.
I didn't do music, I wasn't inband or anything like that, and
that was my life.
Before that, I was in everyband, you know, marching band
jazz band symphonic bandorchestra, winter guard, winter
drum line, like new star, jesus.
Yeah, all of that, um, and andthen after I, you know, I

(01:13:53):
stopped and went to college andjust sort of was like, oh, it's
time to like, you know, I guessI'll major in criminal justice
and go to law school and be alawyer, and you know these no
offense against lawyers, I knowyou're a lawyer.
Sorry, I realized this.
I was saying that that didn'tcome out the best way, um, but
what I meant was with that isthat I didn't really have an

(01:14:16):
interest or passion in that.
It was just sort of like what Ifelt, like I'm supposed to do,
I'm, I'm somewhat smart, I guess, you know, had the ability to
go to college and whatever.
So this is what I'm going to do, it's supposed to do, and I
think, kind of going back tosome of these points, whether
it's a point in high school or apoint later in life.
But you're looking back whereyou were passionate about

(01:14:38):
something with this purecommitment, like you said, we
didn't think about anything else.
Right, that was life.
Yeah, um, that's helped me now,20, some odd years after it,
having, you know, gone this roadof the military and academia
and middle school, high schoolteaching and veteran services

(01:14:59):
and stuff, to get to a pointwhere I'm like you know, what
are the things I really valueand really kind of inspired me
and it's, it's, you know, it'smusic in in just so many ways,
which is you know where the ideafor these conversations in this
podcast came from.
So, yeah, yeah, I just reallyappreciate you sharing all that
and, yeah, having thisconversation it's, it's great.

Andrea (01:15:21):
Yeah, we got to do a better job of being being okay
with that piece, right?
Um, I know it's something thatmy wife and I want to make sure
our kids know.
Like, look, we, we want you tobe happy and you can.
You can still be happy inwhatever work you choose to do,
if you're doing something thatyou enjoy.

(01:15:43):
So try to pull those things.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure my kidswould enjoy to play video games
all day, every day.
Right, there's a, there's aplace for folks who want to do
that.
There is a job.
So if you want to do that jobright, say they want to be a
streamer.
I remember one of my our ourkids wanted to be a streamer and
we said, all right, you loveplaying video games, but it's do

(01:16:06):
you know what else goes intothat?
Like there's other pieces andaspects of work that go into
that.
So figure that out, we'll getthe equipment, we'll buy this,
we'll do this, we'll get theequipment.
But you enjoy playing videogames, but there's another piece
that goes along with that.
If you want to be a streamerplaying video games and doing

(01:16:28):
only that, right.
So I think that if you don'tknow that piece of it, then you
may have to transition and dosomething else.
But I, I, it was very strangeand almost sad for me to hear
that you just kind of were likenope, bye-bye, music, right?
Because let me tell you, we allknew Rush was that thing for

(01:16:51):
you, right?
And you know, drummer, there'sjust, you know.
First foremost, thank you bothof you for for the kind words
you you said about me from fromhigh school and this badass term
you uh, choose to choose tothrow around.
Um, it was, it's just for me,it just spoke to me and I felt

(01:17:12):
you were the same way.
So to hear that you just kindof went to college and you were
like, yeah, I'm good with musicand that's that's, that's
strange to hear.
But I'm glad you you've reallyum kind of reconnected with with
that later later on and andrealized, yeah, I don't want to
be a lawyer.
Sorry, robin.

Raza (01:17:33):
I always thought back to cause I was only in band for a
year, right and I've.
I've had nothing at allintrospective and said this is,
this episode is not about me.

David (01:17:43):
But just yeah, but it's not about me, but I'm going to
make it.

Raza (01:17:51):
Well, I'm, I'm, I'm about to bring it back to all you guys
in just a second, hopefully.
Yeah, but I always wondered,you know, um, I always saw the
passion in everyone that was inband camp about music and things
like that.
I didn't recognize it as muchuntil, you know, very recently,
um, but yeah, so I did band fora year and I think junior senior

(01:18:11):
year was just like, okay, youknow all sorts of, you know our
family dynamic at home.
Was that okay, look, highschool is for purpose, to get
the college.
So do whatever you need to doto get the college.
And then, you know, becomesomeone, lawyer or whatever.
Um, so it was like but, anyway,so I did band, I did it for a

(01:18:32):
year and then you know, like Isaid, you know, we, we, we
haven't.
I mean Andrea, I haven't.
You know, this is the firsttime we've connected in like 30,
some odd years.

Adding decades.

David (01:18:44):
Whoa, I'm sorry.
I love how we just keeprounding up to it yeah, 25 years
, 25 years, 30.
30.

Andrea (01:18:53):
And I did the quick math in my head, I'm like no bro, it
wasn't 30.
Stop, it's not 30 yet.

David (01:18:58):
Okay.
Okay, okay, 20 and a half Along time, a long time In a long
time.

It's been a long time.

Raza (01:19:04):
And that's why I'm a lawyer, because I suck at math,
oh my God.
But one of the question marksin my life was that you know, I
know I can, I love music, I loveplaying music, I'm all about
music.
I only did band for a year andit's like what will come of it
and, honestly, like I can.

(01:19:24):
I reconnected with Dave overveterans advocacy and things
like that, and I wanted to knowabout his experience, and my
practice at the time was wasabout you know, veterans
advocacy and and representingveterans and their disability.
You know compensation cases andI was like, well, I, you know my
buddy Dave from band and butand there was about a gap of a

(01:19:46):
few decades that I was tryingthat there was like a blank
space, right.
But the only connection to thisguy and now you and now this
podcast is that one year in band, yeah, and, and so for me, that
question mark of you know, doesthat mean that you're going to?
Does this matter?
Does that passion that that wasthere for a year matter?

(01:20:07):
Does what you love matter?
I think it does, because it'sculminated in this and I really
appreciate that.

Andrea (01:20:14):
Yeah, and what's?
What's really really funny,raza, is hearing you say you
were only in for a year.
I said, holy crap, like that'sright.
Oh shit, you were only therefor a year.
But you are.
You were seared in my brainright, because it was Raza that
do with the awesome hair, andyou know you were just so, so

(01:20:39):
nice and you know you're fairlyfairly quiet because you know
everyone was quiet compared tomy loud mouth self, but I mean,
again, it was.
You were still someone that Iknew, right.
I guarantee you, if there'ssome people are like I don't
remember who the heck you'retalking about now, but for
someone who was only there for ayear, you clearly had an impact

(01:21:03):
on me as well.
But it was because as soon as Iheard Dave say her name, I was
like yo, raza, what's up?

Raza (01:21:14):
Thank you, and you're always nice to me like I said,
you know, I'm sure this isprobably the first time that
we've had like an in depthconversation as an adult,
because we were kids, then wewere you know who knows right.
But yeah, no, you weredefinitely nice to me and other
than that, yeah, you werefucking badass and that's all
that matters.

Andrea (01:21:35):
Why do we keep saying I was a badass, I was alright.
You know, I may or may not havewon the John.
Phillips's award but it goes tothe best musician in the band.
It's not a big deal.

Raza (01:21:47):
When I say badass, here's what I mean.
I mean that someone who takestheir shit seriously and you
took that horn seriously, man,you know, and I because we are
band nerds, let's be honest youknow band we are not on the
football team, but when we werein it, you know we took it
seriously and we certainly got alot out of that experience as a

(01:22:11):
whole.
So, yeah, so when I say badass,that's what I mean that you
know that you were passionateabout what you were doing.
You knew your place within thesection.
You knew this, this, this yanni, you know a composition,
concoction, amalgamation thathad been created and, man, we
rocked that shit and, yes, wekicked ass at Wachula and the

(01:22:36):
Heartland Invitational and everyaward we could possibly get.

Andrea (01:22:40):
We got it.
We walked away with 17 awardsat that.
It was nuts.
It was like best for this, bestfor this, best for this.
You have a much better memorythan I do because I take so much
pride in that show,specifically because it was.
I had a lot of solos in thatshow and I think I the one

(01:23:06):
regret I have is never marchingcore is never marching drum core
because I couldn't afford drumcore.
But I remember being able toget scholarships or whatnot but
then I never asked my mom couldI do it, because I didn't think
she would let me take charity oryou know to do that and be gone
for the whole summer, right,but so that for those listeners

(01:23:27):
out, there that don't know whatyou know.

David (01:23:29):
Drum core is, in our, you know, a little bit confused by
all of this marching band talk.
So marching band, you know what?
Yeah, for Carolina and alleveryone else you know.
So most people know marchingband.
That's associated with highschool plays at the football
game and stuff.
We're all familiar with that.
There's also a thing calleddrum core.
That happens in the summer andthese are sort of regional

(01:23:49):
groups and you can perform inthem up till 21 and they go on
tour over the summer and theytour around and play all these
competitions.
So it's all the drum corescompeting against each other and
it's kind of like the like thepremium.

If you're good at marching band.
It's you have to try out.

David (01:24:08):
It's, it's, you know, intense, but it's a full on
commitment and so, yeah, sothat's what, andrea, you know, I
had the opportunity to me, tome, to play and so that that was
my core right, that that,yonnie here, was my core,
because I think that that waswhen I realized how good I was.

Andrea (01:24:29):
I think that was really.
I thought I was a pretty decentmusician, pretty good, but that
was when I realized how reallygood I was at at not just my
horn but at music as a whole,and that was I started playing
piano.
And rosa, it's funny, you talkabout not being able to read
music.
I can read music and I play byear and have perfect pitch.

(01:24:50):
So I a lot of what I did,because I started arranging
different things and did it allby ear and I didn't realize how
talented you have to be to playthings by ear because I read
music.
I almost took that piece forgranted.
But my, my father, mybiological father, he's a
musician.
He played, he played guitar andthey, they send keys and all of

(01:25:13):
that, and then my grandfatherplayed, so music was just all
around me and I was supposed tobe a musician for sure.

So yeah yeah, I love this conversation for for the
life lessons that I think itteaches us.
Right like you can try and andstray from from that thing at
your core that you're super,super passionate about, but look
at us years later, literallysitting here talking about music
and the role that it plays inour lives.

(01:25:41):
Still, I think, I think you canrun, but not too far.
I think those things follow youand you know, as an advocate
for art education, how it savesyouth and brings purpose and
meaning to their life.
Yeah, I think if there's alesson here, it might be not to
ignore that thing that you'resuper passionate about.

(01:26:01):
I think it causes challengesand pains when we try and run
from from our, our calling, ourthing right.
So true, and so I've loved tohear you all just like,
passionately, love this song soyummy and like remember that
time.
But we also have music outthere in our lives that we

(01:26:24):
struggle to listen to.
It's deeply connected to, topain or trauma in our lives, and
so we're going to divert alittle bit and ask you of a song
that you, that you, that youstruggle to listen to, or maybe
even have to turn off because itbrings up difficult memories,
what is that for you?

Andrea (01:26:40):
oh yeah, there's a, there's a couple there's
actually to believe it or not,but the main, the main one is
best friend, by Brandi.
Brandi wrote that.
I don't think she wrote.
I'm not really sure if shewrote it, but she sings that
song and it's she's singing itto her brother, who she's really
close with Ray J, so who alsomade me music pretty bad.

(01:27:06):
But anyway, you didn't hear mesay that Ray J, if you hear this
, ray J actually dated WhitneyHouston.
How we bring that full circle.

Anyway, she's going to be six degrees from Whitney
Houston.

Andrea (01:27:21):
I know every time every time that we need to rename it
now, this episode.
So she she in the video it'sher and her brother and their
dancing and they're singing andthat's how my relationship was
with my brother.
And my brother actually passedaway in 2016, the day after his
birthday, so he actually was inthe hospital on his birthday.

(01:27:43):
He was in the hospital for alittle bit and I just remember
my last conversation so thatevery time I hear that song
because they sing and we used toplayfully do the same dance
that Brandi would and her andRay J would do in the in the
video and you know another 90skind of kind of music musician
with Brandi and yeah, I'll be,you know, have a different

(01:28:09):
playlist on repeat and then allof a sudden, that song will will
come on and next I think Idon't.
I can honestly say I don'tthink I've played that song all
the way through without burstinginto tears and I'm talking

(01:28:30):
about full on ugly cry.
My brother he had a lot of he alot going on drugs and not a
prison, but when his kids wereborn he was just such a
fantastic father still wasstruggling with drugs, but just
a phenomenal father and hisdaughter was diagnosed.

(01:28:54):
My niece here was diagnosedwith leukemia at three and I it
was just crazy everything thathappened along with that and she
was back and forth in thehospital and she ended up

(01:29:17):
getting through.
It absolutely loved frozen, solet it go is the other song I
can't really get through and shewould.
She would sing, she.
I just have these videos of herin the hospital and she's
singing let it go and like girlstop, and it just.

(01:29:37):
She actually passed away and atseven, in February of 2016, so
eight months later, my brother,eight months later, my brother
died same year.
During that time I talked aboutroses hair, I had dreads, so

(01:29:58):
that whole.
I had dreads for years and Ithink I was on my seventh or
eighth year something like thatninth year of my dreads and they
were halfway, halfway down myback.
I had to clip them sometimesbecause they would get too long
and you know you wrap them up ineverything and I'm not
religious, I call myselfspiritual and I just felt the

(01:30:21):
weight of everything.
And then in December, twentythird, twenty sixteen I cut.
I just cut my dreads off.
I couldn't do it anymore and itwas almost like this weight I
was trying to lift but I neverreally still dealt with my
brother's death and still tothis day it's just still a
struggle.
So yeah, yeah that freaking songman.

(01:30:44):
I know every time someone willapologize because we're going to
take a brief listen for thosethat aren't familiar with the
song, just so they can get aslight feel for it's already
like it's already well enoughhang in there.

David (01:31:02):
It's just a little bit we're going to get through it.

Andrea (01:31:05):
There we go, yeah yeah, yeah he is my dude man, yeah,

(01:31:56):
listening to it now, yeah yeah,I just think about all the tough
things he went through and youknow did and selling drugs, to
be in on drugs to prison, andyou know just how, just how hard

(01:32:21):
it was and I don't think I'veever really talked much about it
.
But when, when my niece hadleukemia and they find found out
and she had a really rare, rareform of leukemia but she had to
have, they wanted to like testeveryone bone marrow for

(01:32:44):
perspective and they test theirbone marrow and the only match
was was my brother and they,that was when we found out he
actually had AIDS.
Really that was when we allfound out and he had.

(01:33:09):
He knew he hadn't told anybodyand yeah, it's just those those
kind of things that thathappened.
So you know he had already hadlike a class long and just all
these things.
And you sometimes you thinkabout the people who have passed
away and and some a lot ofpeople.

(01:33:29):
They tend to say to me I wish Iwould have said this and I wish
I would have said this and Ialways told my brother I love
them, even though you know hedid some pretty, you know, not
so good things and he did somenot so good things to that
affected me and I'm not.

(01:33:50):
They're not themselves.
You know when, when they're ondrugs and they're doing those
things.
And he, he had taken my car.
One time I came downstairsgetting ready for work and my
cars got.
You know, he had sold it, soyou know having to get it and
then he went missing.
It's just all these things andbut at the end of the day, that

(01:34:10):
man, he loved me and he wasproud of me.
He loved me when I still havethis card.
He sent me this Easter card forother.
I don't even know why it was acard, but he sent me this Easter
card and in it he writes abouthow my brother's penmanship can
we just talk about the fact thatmy brother's penmanship was so

(01:34:32):
incredibly.
You remember how girls wouldlike write these big bubble
letters and their penmanship wasso great.

Raza (01:34:39):
I think my brother wrote.

Andrea (01:34:41):
So I look at that and this man had such great
penmanship mine sucks, but buthe could draw and he was so
great at drawing and you knowwatching watching my son draw it
.
Just I draw that parallel withmy brother and he in this card

(01:35:04):
he talks about how he is soproud of me and so I keep that
close, close to my, to my heart.
And I had a.
My mom lives with us currentlyand she lived in this complex
and it got hit by hurricanes soshe lost everything in that and

(01:35:27):
but in her house were the urnsof my brother and my niece and I
had so much anxiety because wecouldn't get into the apartment
for months.
It was about three monthsbefore we could finally get in
there and it was because there'spretty much condemned and sure.
I that entire time.

(01:35:48):
I mean this, this was recent,this is a year and a half ago or
so and I just I couldn'tbreathe.
It was just so such a strugglefor me not to know what was
going on with with their ashesand to know that it could be bad
and it, and luckily everythingwas okay and those were pretty

(01:36:10):
much the only things that weresalvageable.
Where the urns, photos andpictures, everything was strong
over there is, the water wentinto their apartments, like, and
it was, it was up, but theywere there, they were, they were
okay, and so I just think about, think about that and all of

(01:36:30):
that is what this song brings up, just all of that stuff.
You know, I just think aboutthat and I think it's just flash
through when you've had thiskind of really close loss yeah,
it's like a wave, like a wave ofmemories that just like
overtake you, yeah yeah with asong, one song, that's the only

(01:36:54):
song, those like those two songswe can't.
Even we can't watch the moviefrozen with my wife and I.
We, we can't watch it, but butthat song I've.
I could do a little bit more ofthe the frozen piece and and
I've had this conversation withwith my wife, I you would.
You would think that a youngkid passing away so, so young

(01:37:19):
would probably devastate me themost, but it's my brother,
because he was, I wasn't asclose to my sister as I was my
brother.
We were only three years apart,I run.
Ironically, by the time we gotto high school, david, my
brother was still a freshman,like he was supposed to be, like
a junior or senior and he wasactually a freshman, so finally,

(01:37:43):
we don't.
We don't think schools gonnawork out.
So he left you.
By the time I caught up to himhe's like, yeah, I don't want to
do this anymore.
So he actually ended up goingto to job core and then getting
his GED.
But he was, he was really myclosest friend, my closest
person.
So then when he went to prison,I was still in and leave out

(01:38:07):
that was just.
Yeah, I was still in highschool I think it was like our
senior year and he ended upgoing to prison and I was so
angry with him because he leftme.
He left me.
He was really the only person Iwould talk to all the time
because my mom was was workingto jobs.
She really wasn't.
She never really came to any ofmy band things or anything.
So, like my brother was likethat guy, he was my dude.

(01:38:29):
I wanted to be just like him.
I wore his clothes like backwhen you know the TLC baggy.
Look, that was.
That was me.

That was me so.

Andrea (01:38:41):
But I am really proud, though, because it makes me
think about the last words Isaid to my brother.
It was on his birthday, he wasin the hospital and we were
talking and last thing I said tohim was all of you.
And he told me.
He left me and I said now getyou behind out of there so that
we can go chill.

(01:39:01):
And he, that night he coded in.
My mom called my wife becauseshe knew how close I was with
him.
She called my wife and saidlisten, here's the deal.
This is what's happening.
He's on a respirator or is on aventilator.
You guys need to get her now,but you need to tell her.
And so it's two o'clock in themorning, my mom's calling.

(01:39:26):
Why were we up at two?
I have no idea, but that mywife and my wife told me, and we
, we left, we left and drovethey were living in punkos at
the time and drove up, drove upthere, and I watched my brother
die right in front of me, and itwas terrible.

It's terrible it's amazing how so many memories, so
many parts of our life can bevery blurry and some are just
the moment by moment is justseared forever.
And then when music like bringsall that back up thanks, thanks

(01:40:10):
, by the way, thanks thanksthank you.

(01:40:45):
I'm going to pivot us out ofhere because just just like
music brings us to very darkmoments, it can also intimately
connect us with amazing times inour lives with you know all
kinds of other like justuplifting and badass or just
awesome memory.
So we're going to finish yoursix songs here, andrea, with

(01:41:08):
asking you about a song that isintimately connected with an
other activity location, likesomething that just instantly
transports you to that place.
What is it?

Andrea (01:41:20):
in contrast to the last song we just talked about, it's
definitely let's go by, trickdaddy, shout out to the south
Florida.
South Florida ice is anythingwe're making.

It yes yeah, man, today trick daddy, let's go.

Andrea (01:41:38):
I played.
I played tackle football forabout eight or nine years and
that was that was my thing.
I have no idea why I didn'tplay high school football.
I wish I would have played,because that's how much I loved
it.
I mean, I was locked in rosa.
You talk about how like I wasso locked in playing my horn,

(01:42:02):
that's what I was on the field.
And when you see badass.

I know she's like I don't know why you think of me
as a badass.
And then the next minute she'slike I play tackle, I play
tackle football.

Andrea (01:42:19):
People have definitely called me that my nicknames a
train.
I didn't get that nickname fromfootball, actually got it from
basketball, from playingbasketball.
I know you're not supposed tobe a train on a basketball court
, but I played basketball atDaytona and the baseball coach

(01:42:41):
there set out to coach Tuma.
He, he credit, I credit him forthis nickname.
He called me a train is likeyou're like an a train out there
.
You're like a freight train.
They better get out of your waywhen you're out there on the
court.
Yeah, so it just was definitelyfitting.
I was supposed to play footballwith that nickname but I played
a line and D line and a fewtimes I played full back and

(01:43:05):
just pushing people into the,into the end zone and yeah that.
But every time I would get tothe field I kind of had this
weird ritual.
I think all athletes do so Iplayed.
I played older, a little older.

(01:43:26):
It was a women's league and my,my son, would be at the
practices and it was just sofantastic and he had this
Spider-Man costume and becausehe would always want to come to
the games with me, I like, kid,I can't you know, rj, I can't
bring you to the games, all thegames, but I'll make sure I have
something to take.

(01:43:47):
So he gave me a Spider-Man mask.
He's like, just take this mom.
I was like, alright, so I wouldwear the mask.
I would actually I've got atiny head dude, so of course I
could work.

I would wear the mask have an a visual here, if you
want a sideline, like likeputting this thing on.

Andrea (01:44:05):
No no, no, I wouldn't do it on the sideline, I would
walk in.
So so we would get there.
You have to be there, you know,few hours before the game.
So I would get out of the carand grab my bag, my, my, my
shoulder pads and I would walkin from the parking lot all the
way to wherever we were.
If we drove to where we were, Iwould.
I didn't care if it was an awaygame or home game.

(01:44:26):
I would always have thisSpider-Man mask on, and I wore
the Spider-Man mask for aboutthree years.
Spider-man mask.
Now.
Imagine this almost six footburly black woman with, I think,
back.
I'm like God dang, I was weirdSpider-Man mask on and it's

(01:44:50):
tight on my face.
All you could see is my eyes.
And then I'm walking with a bagand shoulder pads and a helmet
and I'm walking to the lockerroom like this.
People are there and but I'mtunnel vision, I don't even see
them because I'm just like Iheadphones on, I'm just focused
and the song that's playing islet's go by trick daddy on the

(01:45:15):
way to the locker room let'stake a listen.

And now it.
Now you have the visual thatgoes with what we're about to
listen to.
Just if that's not,intimidating as fuck as your
opposing team.
I don't know what is.
Hit it, david I.

Andrea (01:45:54):
I.

David (01:46:13):
I'm so glad you had this song on there because, yeah,
this has been this through linein these first four episodes.
You know, all four of us grewup in south Florida and we've
all had these south Floridaconnections, connections to the
south Florida rap, hip hop, justbooty music, all just power 96
party hour 96 DJ, las andeverything yeah yeah, man, that

(01:46:43):
that song would start themultiple songs.

Andrea (01:46:47):
So that song would be my song to walk to the locker room
.
Because again, it's me.
I'm just transforming fromPeter Parker spider, right, you
remember?
You remember the spider manwhere when it was Toby, it was a
Toby McGuire one, where he wasthe black spider man and he like

(01:47:08):
had his hair all sleek back andwalking.
But that was that.
That just really started athing.
And then my teammates knewdon't talk to me.
Right, they knew do not talk tome until we're on the field and
we're ready to I'm in thehuddle.
So I was the Ray Lewis,essentially of my team.

(01:47:29):
I don't know if you probablycould could guess that, but I
was the Ray Lewis in the middleof the circle, hyping everyone
up, telling everyone let'sfucking go kick some ass, all
all of that.
That that's me.
We actually had a documentarydone about our team and it's
called.
It's called green iron girls.
You can buy it now online for1599, but link will be in the

(01:47:55):
show notes, but in in that video, I mean in that documentary,
I'll sometimes look at it andsay, yeah, yeah, it truly, truly
captured the essence of what Iwas like on on that field and it
was just an absolutelyincredible feeling.
I wish.
I wish I was still playing.

(01:48:15):
To be honest, I think footballdid so much for me mentally,
having having gone throughvarious bouts of depression and
not naming it.
Football was that thing for mewhere I could just release it
all.
I could beat up on people andnot get in trouble because I had

(01:48:39):
a terrible, terrible temper,terrible temper, and it allowed
me to really hone that, hone inon that and and really be
focused for for that entire daypretty much, and then walk off
the field and, and you know, begreat friends with, with the
women who are doing that.
I mean lawyers, doctors,teachers, moms, just these

(01:49:05):
incredible, incredible women outhere doing this.
And that's why I love workingwith the league that I'm working
with and it's just, you know,with the WNFC.
It's just how can we take andelevate these women who are
doing extraordinary things andreally loving, loving the hell
out of this sport?
So I didn't just stay with thespider-man mask, though I had.

(01:49:28):
I had others throughout theyears, but yeah, I probably say
my favorite was the the what?
What is the name of that movie?
Silence of lambs.

Oh my God, the handle.

Andrea (01:49:47):
I had that one in here.

David (01:49:50):
I just had this image of, because there's the time where
he's like just wearing the maskand you're walking in, but
there's also a time where he'slike wearing the mask and he's
like strapped in the thing, andso I had this image of you being
wheeled in like you're in astraight jacket and they're like
release you right before thegame.
It's our secret weapon.
Oh, there was no secret.

You're on the opposing team and you see Andrew and
that master.
Like what the hell am I walkinginto?

Andrea (01:50:16):
Oh, they would.

Am I leaving alive?
Am I not?

Andrea (01:50:20):
They would, they're, they're fans, right Like it when
.
Because when you get, when youget to the away games and you're
going, there's some fans thatare sometimes they're earlier
people setting up.
They would.
Some people would see me andthey're like they wouldn't know
what to do.

(01:50:40):
You know how, you know youwould think they would want to
laugh, but because I'm, I was sobig, they're like oh, it was
just kind of move, yeah, and Iwould not.
I would not smile.
I was not buddy buddy with theother team.
That was not how I played.
I wasn't a trash talker, but Ialso.

(01:51:03):
I have gotten, I have kind ofkicked out of a game before for
fighting.
It was bad Not my, it was notone of my shining moments but I
completely I thought they weretaking my, trying to take my
legs out and I completely kindof blacked out.
May or may not have thrown afew punches.

(01:51:25):
You could take the girl out ofSouth Florida, but you can't
take the South Florida out ofthe girl.

Oh sorry, go ahead, reza I was just going to ask.

Raza (01:51:36):
So so I am the if you, if you think about it, if you take
a step back.
I look at, and I can say this,as a band nerd.
You know you think of eitherathletes or you think of band
oriented folks, and I think youhave sort of this distinction of
being both.

(01:51:57):
And one other like common thingthat I'm seeing is is is just
like tunnel vision focus.
I remember that in band and theway that you've described, you
know this, the gridiron girlsexperience focus, right, that
point of just being likeimposing and, and you know,

(01:52:19):
getting shit done.
I wonder if you can maybe talkabout that a little bit.
Just where does this focus comefrom?
Because you were able to focus,you know, back in high school.
This focus theme is coming upnow and maybe where do you see
that going in the future.
Yeah, what's your next focus?

Andrea (01:52:36):
going to be?
Gosh, great question.
Thanks, reza, I I think a lotof it comes from not honestly
not really knowing what I wasgood at in my life and not
really thinking that I was goodat anything.
So thinking, okay, well, I haveto work, I have to work really

(01:52:57):
hard to be good.
Then, right, I never thought Iwas good at school, I, I.
But then I think back now and Iwas like, oh crap, I, I did
just enough to pass.
I literally did just enough topass.
And I think a teacher exposed mein a sense and said, yeah, no,
you're going to be in, we'regoing to make you take this AP

(01:53:19):
class your senior year.
Like, no, I don't do that.
And I think at that point, yeah, I didn't want to, but you know
, he said, you know, you'regoing to do this.
And I think at that point Istarted realizing, wow, I really
, I really am good at things.
I just have to continue to workhard.

(01:53:41):
So it really just goes from the, the work hard.
I think it just came natural.
Music came natural for me.
I didn't have to work hard atit, but I enjoyed it so much
that I wanted to work hard at it, and that's kind of the theme
of the different things I talkedabout earlier, how we want our
kids to really hone in on whatthey're good at and actually

(01:54:03):
want to, you know, really dothat.
And I think that sometimes Idon't want, I don't like to
general, I really don't like togeneralize, but I think right
now people are really having ahard time focusing on one, on
one thing, and they're having ahard time just overall, wanting
to do some things, like certainthings and want to really work

(01:54:25):
at it and do it well.
Those people that do that arethe people that are typically
the happiest.
And I want to be happy.
I think that really is where itall comes from.
I want to really enjoy thethings and I want to be good.
I'm really competitive.
So in order for me to achievethose things, I want to be good

(01:54:50):
and I want to enjoy myself withwhatever that I'm doing I have
to consciously choose thingsthat have those two elements to
it, and I didn't know that until, you know, recently.

Raza (01:55:03):
It sounded like that teacher challenged you.
Yeah, and you were like youknow, I'm up for the challenge.
It wasn't really up for thechallenge.

Andrea (01:55:11):
Oh yeah, I'm going to be , honest.
I'm going to be honest.
I was not.
I didn't want to do it.

David (01:55:19):
Did you take the class?
You took it and you it was afreaking class, David.

Andrea (01:55:22):
Yeah, I did.

David (01:55:24):
I did it was.

Andrea (01:55:24):
AP, government and economics.
I'll never forget it.
I know the teacher his name isjust kidding me right now, but
the teacher, ironically, wasactually the principal at
Douglas when.

Raza (01:55:39):
Ty Thompson.

Andrea (01:55:43):
It is Ty Yep.
He was the principal at Douglaswhen the shooting happened.

Oh, my goodness Yep.

Andrea (01:55:53):
And I saw him on the screen talking and I said that's
my AP government economicsteacher.
But yeah, so Ty Thompson.
Yep, that is his name, tyThompson.
I just remember his cool flattop.
He had like this really coolflat top for a white dude.
It was tiny like this wholetime.
But he, it was a catalyst for alot of things.

(01:56:14):
It was a catalyst for merealizing oh my God, I really am
kind of smart.
But he was my junior year.
He was my teacher for UShistory or whatever we had to
take, and he said I think youshould take this class.
And I'm like, nah, man, dude,I'm not that smart.

Nah.

Andrea (01:56:30):
I'm a banger, I just yeah, I don't do that.
But I think that's really whatstarted this kind of deal of.
If I just really focus onsomething, I could be good, I
could be great, and I didn'treally have.
I know a lot of folks in theirfamily.

(01:56:51):
They taught those kind ofthings and I don't really have
many memories of that kind ofthing.
I just know that I knew my momworked hard because she had two
jobs, so that was kind of what Isaw there.
So I think my work ethic camefrom my mom, but really taking

(01:57:13):
the time to put time and energyinto focusing and doing
something well, I think thatcame from David Carbone and Ty
Thompson honestly, continuing toname drop that guy because,
freaking Carbone man, we weredelinquents, we were delinquents
.

I hope he hears this episode.

Andrea (01:57:38):
Oh, I'm gonna say it to him, yeah, yeah yeah, there's no
hoping, we are sending it tohim.
I want to see it.
I still have.
Okay, this is borderline creepy.
I still have the photos likesenior photos and stuff that you
take.
Well, the teachers take themtoo, but I literally have her

(01:58:04):
boldest photo.

Raza (01:58:04):
Whoa With the bow tie.

Andrea (01:58:14):
He had on this vest.
I just looked at it, like threedays ago I was looking for
something else.
I've got like this little thingof these different photos and
of all these different people.
His photo was in there, I justlaughed.
But his little drumsticks, whygive me this?
It's weird.

David (01:58:36):
But you kept it.

Like you've got to be some special kind of educator
for a kid to keep your picturethrough into adulthood.
Because you know there's timesyou purge.
You're like I don't need thisshit.
Like you know what You're likeno, mr Carbone, you're staying
with me for life.

Andrea (01:58:55):
That's the impact music had on me, and he brought me
that.
I think my grandfatherintroduced me to different
things as well from a musicperspective, and he was really
proud that I was in band.
He loved it Because I was theonly one yeah, I'm the only one

(01:59:15):
that really went down that pathof music as hard as I did.
Like my grandfather, he used toplay background bass in one of
James Brown's bands years andyears and years ago.
See, that's where you use thelong time of going away back.

He's with someone like that not with us, James Brown.

Andrea (01:59:36):
We're not there yet.

We're not there yet we're spring chickens.
We are yeah.

Andrea (01:59:44):
And I love that you kind of talked about this little
thing, because usually peoplethink for Raza, usually people
think, okay, you're either theband nerd or you're the athlete,
and I really don't think thatwas me.
I didn't fit into that boxbecause sports was so important
to me.
You talked about we weren't thefootball team, yeah, but I knew

(02:00:08):
everyone on the football team.
Right, those were also mypeople.
It was interesting when I thinkback to my high school friends,
I had this weird eclectic groupof people and I look now at my
friend set and I still have thiseclectic group of friends that
everyone's not the same and justbring it all around.

(02:00:32):
This is, I think, why I'm inthe work, in the line of
business that I'm in, from aculture and an inclusionary
perspective, because I reallythink I'm kind of a conduit for
all of these people to connect.
Yeah, because I'm a chameleon,unicorn, all those badass

(02:00:55):
apparently, all those words.
And I was good at football too.
God, I was good, I was good.

That's awesome.

Andrea (02:01:08):
I love it All right.

Andrea, we have hit your six songs.

Andrea (02:01:12):
Unreal.

And it bears asking, after going through an
experience like this right oftelling your life story, but
through music how does it feelto listen and see your life
reflected through these sixsongs?

Andrea (02:01:27):
Strange, right, a little strange, only because you don't
really sit down and think of itin that way.
You just think of thesedifferent moments that happen
and you're like, oh okay, well,that evokes this feeling.
I want to get away from thatfeeling.
It is evokes this, and I thinkthis has really allowed me to
sit in it and talk about it withpeople and to share

(02:01:48):
similarities with each of you.
Right, caroline, I've never metyou a day in my life, but I
feel like I've known you foreverBecause we have that South
Florida connection and some ofthose parallels.
So for me, I felt like I wasable to reconnect with two

(02:02:09):
incredible people and thenreally get close to another
human being, which I absolutelylove.
So, thank you all, thank youall.
I'm so, so grateful, and eventhough I had some tears and I'll
beat you all up later aboutthat, but because you know, you
know bad asses we can't show ourillusions.

(02:02:30):
Now I'm a big old teddy bear.
Everyone knows that big oldteddy bear.

Yeah, thank you for sharing your life with us and
those listening.
I hope they love it and take asmuch from it as we have today
Appreciate it.
We're going to switch over toour lightning round questions.
Three little questions beforewe let you sign off.
It's amazing.

Andrea (02:02:53):
Where's my Spider-Man mask?
Oh my God, do you have?

it.

Andrea (02:02:57):
Oh, I have.
No, I don't have that one.
I do have my last one that Iended my career with, which was
a Hulk mask.
Still have the Hulk one.

David (02:03:09):
All right, andrea, smash it was so good, all right.

First concert, last concert, best concert.

Andrea (02:03:20):
All right.
So first concert was can we saythis, our Kelly and Aliyah.

All right.

Andrea (02:03:30):
No, but I saw them too.

Where did you see them ?
Because maybe we were there.

Andrea (02:03:36):
It was, was it sunrise?
Musical theater.

No, it was the James L .
No, it was James L Night'sdinner.

Andrea (02:03:45):
Was heavy D there.

I don't remember, but I remember it was our Kelly and
I remember all the drama.
Kelly at my high school thatwanted to go to his hotel, after
which now is like the creepyreason he's in prison and like
all the things, but Wow.

Andrea (02:04:00):
You are at the same concert, oh my God, yeah, that
was my first concert.
Unpopular opinion that man wasa freaking genius with music.
Man, so amazing, so annoying,so annoying.
But yes, that was my first one.
The last one was supposed to beBeyonce.

(02:04:22):
My wife and I were supposed togo in a couple of weeks but
things have come up and we can'tgo, so the last concert
actually was Patty LaBelle.

Oh, wow.

Andrea (02:04:33):
She is so great so she kicked her shoes off on stage.
I mean, that woman gave me suchan appreciation.
Just watching her, like I wantto be that happy Right, that
makes made me I want to perform.
Like I told you, I love singingkaraoke and being up there and

(02:04:56):
my go to karaoke song, believeit or not, is wanted that are
alive.
No lie, I love just, oh yeah,oh yeah, I rocked the hell out
of that song.
And watching Patty LaBelle upthere and seeing and I'm like I
can do this, I can do it, butI'm so afraid, I'm so afraid,

(02:05:17):
but I absolutely love, love,love, love singing in front of
people.
And then the best one, johnLegend and Robin Thicke
Definitely the best one.
Just, and it was in a nice into.
We were at the hard rock.
Robin Thicke wasn't as popularat the time but he was sitting

(02:05:39):
up there at that.
I just remember I was so close,I could see is there is pit
stains in his suit jacket.
It's really close.
I was close, it was nice.
He was so good, so good at thatpiano.
And then I'm thinking, yo, thisdude's amazing.

(02:06:00):
And then John Legend comes outand I'm like yo, this man's
incredible.

Love it With a voice as smooth as butter, like he is
cut right through it.

Andrea (02:06:12):
Cut right through, yeah, and like John Legend and Bruno
Mars for me are the secondcoming of Prince just from a,
because they're musicians and Itend to really love musicians.
When people talk about allthese, my favorite, I tend to go

(02:06:33):
right to the musician piece and, man that that concert was
absolutely incredible.
I love going to concerts at thehard rock here in Orlando.
It's not, I keep saying, hardrock, it's not hard rock, house
of Blues.
I'm gonna say House of Blues,house of Blues, yeah, yeah,
house of Blues.
Nothing is hard rock.

David (02:06:55):
But is it?
Is that the one that's in likedowntown Disney?
Is it still yeah?

Andrea (02:06:59):
And I think it's still there, and also told Jill Scott
there she used for incrediblebut but yeah, those would
probably be my ones.
I mean, and this is I mean I'veseen Alicia Keys FC Janet
Jackson but best was that.
That one was the best and Ithink again it goes back to from
that I'll never not be amusician.

(02:07:20):
I'll never not be a musicianand so I think that's why I air
on the best being thosemusicians.
Singers I love, I love singers,but I mean Alicia Keys is a
musician as well, but I got twofor the press of one and John
Legend and Robin Thicke.

Raza (02:07:39):
I didn't know he played piano.
Did you mention Robin Thicke?
Yeah, yeah.

Andrea (02:07:44):
I didn't know either.

Raza (02:07:47):
I didn't know John Legend does yeah.

Andrea (02:07:53):
But yeah, he was on the piano, he was on the keys, he
was on the keys.
I blew me away, blew me away.

Raza (02:07:59):
So my mind was blown when I saw Bruno Mars playing drums
really, really well at the SuperBowl the the halftime show that
it did, and I mean I like Ilove his music and everything
and I love it.
It almost sounds like thepolice, yes, and kind of like

(02:08:20):
the Copeland kind of influenceto and smooth, yeah, and in the
way that Sting was.

But anyway yeah.

Raza (02:08:29):
And then we needed to do the.
We needed the drum solo overSuper Bowl halftime show.
You're like what I'm like yo?
This guy can do anything.

Andrea (02:08:37):
Yep, that's, that's Prince, that was Prince.
Yeah, talk about Super Bowl,100%.
Talk about Super Bowl in Miamiin the rain, singing purple rain
.

Raza (02:08:48):
Nice yeah, yeah.

Andrea (02:08:54):
Hands down best Super Bowl performance.
Even though you didn't ask thatquestion, that's a good
question, that's a good question, that's a good one, that's a
good performance.

Raza (02:09:03):
I mean Whitney's Super Bowl performance Come on now.
Stop, stop.
My work here is done.

David (02:09:12):
I was going to say, yeah, the National Anthem one.

I don't know what year was that?
No, 1980.

Andrea (02:09:19):
I think it was a Okay.

Raza (02:09:21):
No, I think it might be it was in Tampa for sure.

Andrea (02:09:26):
Oh man, I can't remember what year that was.
I want to say it may have beeneither 90 or 91.
Actually, I remember what shelooked like.
I remember, I know the storybehind it.
One take.
That was one take, because youknow usually they lip sync that,
but it was one take.
Yeah, she didn't even listen toit all the way through.

(02:09:47):
When she got the recording fromRicky Winner, who was her band,
her band guy Sorry, look,whitney, too many facts she had
she, she, she, he, he tells thisstory and he's like you know
she got it.
She didn't listen to it rightaway.
I was getting nervous.
It was time for us to record it.
I was getting nervous, I didn'tknow what was going on.

(02:10:07):
He said she, he, he played itand she hummed and he said she
said, okay, I got it.
And he said I was so nervousand that was the effin take.
That was the take, yeah, yeah.
So it was it was 1991.

(02:10:28):
Yeah, I think so.
And for me.

I still can't listen to a live rendition of the
national anthem and not like sheis the standard to which I hold
every rendition of the nationalanthem and even when people
like try, like I don't know,like collaborate on it or link
it up and notes whatever, I'mlike don't, don't, don't get

(02:10:52):
weird with it Like Whitney didit, that's it.
Yep, it's been done and it wasat such a time and Dave thank
you, thank you for your service.

Andrea (02:11:02):
Like it was at such a time when the world was worried
about you know everything, andeveryone came together and I
think I use, I think, I think, Ithink, I think, I think, I
think I think I use that whenfolks talk about the issues with
the anthem and all that, I goback to that and I played that

(02:11:24):
and I get excited about that andI'd say stop, stop the arguing,
just listen to this.
You cannot not be moved byhearing that.
It makes me I am an Americanand I'm proud to be an American
For Lisa, no, I'm free, no, I'mproud and I hear that.

(02:11:47):
So that's what I hear wheneverthe anthem is played anywhere.
I hear that.
And then I hear nights, becausein the song it says you know
something about night and at UCFfootball games and and at night
.

Yeah, yeah.

Andrea (02:12:07):
The whole studio and then also at the Orlando city
soccer games here in Orlando.
So we're a little weird with it.
You see F nights.
But that I go back to that.
That rendition is hands down.

David (02:12:23):
So ever, ever ever, ever.

Andrea (02:12:26):
Y'all are great.

We have come to the end of our time, and so I know
everything.

David (02:12:40):
End of the road here.

So, in the last few minutes here we have left, we
want to give you the floor totell people, those who are
listening, what's going on inyour life, something that may be
interesting for those who areinterested and want to get to
know you a little better howthey can reach out and contact
you.

Andrea (02:12:57):
Yeah, yeah, please reach out, email me, call me, email
me at on Andrea dot, sneak at us, ta dot com at work for the
USDA not to be confused with theUSDA.
No meat, I don't sell meat oranything.
That's right, completelydifferent.

(02:13:18):
Honestly, right now in my lifeit's it's all us open, all us
open, literally going to hop offhere and do some, do some work.
We, we are we, we have thepleasure Our department has the
pleasure of doing variousactivations around tennis and
for because we say we want tomake tennis look like America,

(02:13:41):
it's a little bit of a joke forus, but we do.
We want access.
You know everything's aboutaccess, everything.
I love that there's fourdifferent people from four
different backgrounds, that thatgroup, just just really the
symbiosis between us as we grewup in the same area.

(02:14:03):
So we know some of the samethings but at the end of the day
, we all grew up differently butwe all have things in common
and that's the common thread andI think for me that's what
that's what the work is about.
That's what inclusiveinclusivity is about, that's
what culture is about findingthose similarities and being

(02:14:25):
able to really do really drawfrom that and and have a
connection and connect.
So that's what this is aboutfor me.
I'm so grateful and soappreciative and I really am
serious.
If folks want to get in touchwith me, just please feel free
to shoot.
Shoot me an email and let's,let's connect.

(02:14:46):
I'm all about it, yeah.

David (02:14:48):
Yeah.
Thanks for that and and thanksfor being on.
This has been just better thanI could have expected.
It just gives me so muchexcitement going forward with
this podcast because I feel likethis was a great first guest
episode and so for all eternity,you will go down as the first.

(02:15:13):
Whether this show goes sevenepisodes or seven years, you
will be the first guest.

Andrea (02:15:19):
Ricky Bobby, baby, you ain't first.

David (02:15:21):
That's right, that's right, you're first, you're last
.
Yeah, shakin' baby.
Oh, sorry, sorry, and a littleflashback, yeah, and I just I
think too like for me, that's mypodcast, so I'm going to talk
about me for a second yeah.

(02:15:41):
But for me, in getting this ideafor the podcast and how, like
you know this, this endeavorisn't just a well, let's try
this and this will be cool.
Everyone's doing podcasts.
Let's do a podcast.
It was a lot of, you know,recovery for me and and this is
a healing journey and this is,you know, part of that, and so

(02:16:03):
to have you on and kind of, youknow, bringing me back to a time
before I had all of thesechallenges and struggles and
stuff has just been reallyreally wonderful.
So I'm just so thankful forconnecting with you again and
and coming back.
It's, yeah, more tears.

Hold it together, we just hold it together.

David (02:16:27):
Hold on.
Let me queue up Yolanda Adamsagain.
No, wow, thank you.

Andrea (02:16:35):
I'm glad to be a part of this journey with you.

David (02:16:39):
Yeah, yeah.
So everyone out there you knowwe know the drill like and
subscribe.
We're going to have moreepisodes coming.
You know, yep, yep, we are allsomewhere.
We're still learning how to dothat in YouTube, but they'll be
there.

The leather be a box or we're going to look really
weird, just point.

Andrea (02:16:59):
That's right.
That's right.
We're just put random.

Raza (02:17:05):
Yeah.

David (02:17:06):
So, yeah, stick around, go back to listen to earlier
episodes.
You know, and and we, we hopeyou enjoy being on this journey
with us and so that my friends,is a life in six songs.
Thank you so much, andrea.
Thank you, bye.

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