Ep. 9 - From 'Under the Sea' to Riding the Wave: A ParrotHead with 'Boats to Build' - A Life in Six Songs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I put it on because I need it, not that I
want to hear it it's like I'mliterally in a place where, like
I'm so beat down, like Right doI have left but a song, yeah,
you know, yeah feel like thewaves are on me and there's no

(00:21):
air, right?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
right like a life preserver or something.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, that's the grass.
Right, that Bob Marley song isthe grass To get to the surface.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You.
Hey, everybody, welcome toanother episode of a life in six
songs.
I am your host, david Reese,and I'm joined by my co-host,
carolina and Raza.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hey, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hey there, for any of you that are new to the podcast
and this is the first oneyou're checking out Each week,
we embark on an epic adventureto find the songs that are stuck
to us like audible tattoos,that tell the story of who we
are and where we've been, inorder to help us figure out
where we're going.
It's a life story told throughsix songs, so let's go have a

(01:43):
listen together.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
All right.
So our guest today is Ben Rordahe.
Ben is a father, a husband andengineer, and an entrepreneur
with an unshakable saltwateraddiction.
As an aerospace engineer, heparticipated in the development
of gas turbine engines.
As an entrepreneur, he'slaunched both a solar energy
company and a rapidmanufacturing venture.

(02:07):
Currently, ben leads an AIbased data analysis company as
the VP of data science andengineering.
Nevertheless, he's in.
His enduring love remains hisfamily and the ocean.
So, ben welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Thank you, raza.
I appreciate that.
That's, yeah, that that IIdentify with everything you
said there.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's who you are.
You've been busy I yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, it's a busy life, but you know, I think Most
people have that yeah thank youfor that kind introduction.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, so I'm gonna turn it over to David to kick
things off for us.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, welcome Ben.
I'm so glad to have you on andbe be chatting before we dive
into your six songs, Just to getus going and and fill out a
little bit more of you know Razagave you know what you do for
work and jobs and some of that.
Now we'll get into some of justyou know the the music side of
things and so, just to start,you know what you know.

(03:12):
How do you view music in yourlife?
How does it fit into your life?
How does it function in yourlife?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
All right, that's a great question, david.
Yeah, no, it's.
It's really interesting howubiquitous music is in our in
our culture, in our lives, inour society.
It just seems to always bethere.
You know, you hop in the car inthe car and I hit the radio or
you know whatever the button andjust music pops out.
Or like I go home and justmaking dinner and turn on some

(03:42):
music, right, and music is just,it's always there, which, crazy
enough, probably a hundredyears ago and forever beyond
that, was unheard of, right.
So music, I think, is thisinteresting thing that as humans
, in this day and age, we havethis ubiquity of sound and music

(04:03):
around us that Most folkshaven't had in society, in
civilization.
But for me in particular I'dsounds cliche because I've heard
so many people say it, but it'sthe soundtrack of my life,
right, it's just thoseinterstitial moments that exists
where you're driving, or you'remaking dinner, like I said, or

(04:26):
or you know working, you knowI'm playing music all the time
when I'm working, you know, andbeing so saturated music around
us, music to me is kind of aquest, it's kind of a journey.
I Latch onto a genre, listen toit, about five years Burnout

(04:52):
like I was searching for anothergenre.
So for me in particular, it'sthis lifelong Exploration of
interesting musical concepts.
So, yeah, it's, it's.
I mean, I'm not a musician, youknow.
So I'm not huge into music, butI do like it and I enjoy it and

(05:15):
I appreciate.
So, yeah, yeah, I'm trying tothe background song track,
soundtrack of my life.
Yeah, no thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Maybe that.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I like the the first part of it.
You said in that I think wemight take some of that and use
it for the podcast itself,because I think you did a great
description.
I'm sort of like how music isjust kind of all around us now
in a way that Maybe hasn't beenthat way through throughout
history.
Right, you had to go see peopleperform.
That was the only way to do it.
Right, I couldn't pull out something in my hand and pull up

(05:49):
whatever song I want, and sothat's.
That's interesting.
Yeah, I like that.
I'm gonna pass it to Carolina.
Who's gonna kick us off and getinto your six?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, Thanks, ben, for coming on.
I love your, your descriptionof music that, like, follows you
throughout a journey,throughout your life, and so we
like to kick off at, like, thebeginning of that journey, and
and so, for your first song,I'll ask you know what's your
earliest music memory.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, so for me, where I grew up, when growing up
, my family was very religious,very evangelical Christian.
So my first earliest music,always in the church, it was
acapella singing at church.
I grew up very conservativeevangelical group of Christians,

(06:48):
mm-hmm.
They stuck very literally towhat the New Testament says
about how the church should berun, and so there's no pianos
mentioned in the New Testamentor Organs or anything like this.
So it was all just acapellasinging out of a book that's

(07:09):
Over a hundred years old.
The latest provision of himbook was over a hundred years
ago.
So these songs were definitelynot something you could hear on
the radio or even Christianradio or anything like that.
So, yeah, so my first Memoriesof music and for the first
decade plus of my life, thischurch singing, which was Slow

(07:33):
and very like systematic, and itnever changed, yeah, so let's
take a quick listen to a sample.

(08:12):
This let's be right back inchurch.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, how does it feel listening to it now again?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
so it put me on a little bit of a journey, trying
to find this thought or thismusic, because it's not common,
not out there, you know there'sno Spotify channel for it or
anything like that and butlistening to it it definitely

(08:51):
puts me right back.
The child in that uncomfortablemetal seat, you know, for hours
, almost one day, yeah, no, itwas just that was growing up.
That's what we had, that's whatit was.
No, we didn't have a TV, wedidn't listen to the radio.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
We this was it.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Anity.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
That's so Interesting .
When you mentioned about, itwas acapella.
You know, when we talked andyou were sharing the songs, you
mentioned acapella and I waslike, okay, I didn't know it was
because of, well, there's nopianos and stuff, so if it's not
stated we're not gonna use it.

(09:41):
And I I've I haven't heard ofthat before.
I've heard of lots of otherthings that people don't use,
don't do, don't, you know,whatever it might be based on
their religious, you knowbeliefs, but that's that's.
That's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, growing up we thought the southern Baptists
were wild and crazy.
Right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
No, I agree, super interesting for me too.
I grew up Catholic and sopretty much the standard was
just like an organ, like thatwas it.
But I found that more acapellakind of think, like more
Gregorian monk chant kind ofthing, felt more for like
special occasions or you know,something like really really

(10:22):
serious.
So to hear From the evangelicalperspective that like no, this
was, that was the standard ofmusic for you know, every day
just Worship, super cool andinteresting.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That's for my particular upbringing religious
sure sure, sure, sure, sure,sure, sure, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
No drama, I did not call Christian.
No drama.
Yeah, definitely no drums I.
So I did not grow up.
You know Christian, I think youknow Ben, and pretty much
anyone who's watched to show atthis point knows you know I grew
up in in Pakistan, which iswhich is Technically an Islamic
Republic, but but I mean, youknow there are.

(11:06):
There are churches and and andHindu temples and Sikh temples
and, despite, you know, contraryto maybe popular belief, my
know, you know they're minorityreligions, but they're still
there, but anyway.
But I've always foundespecially Catholic imagery and
and and hymns and and and sortof the musical references To, to

(11:30):
scripture and things like that.
I've always thought it was likeit was beautiful.
It was the, the voices.
I mean, you know people, peoplecall them angelic voices and
things like that and I reallykind of gravitated toward that
and and even listening to thisright now I was, I was curious
because I've heard acapella,like modern versions of acapella
, then I've heard you knowchoirs and things like that, and

(11:50):
this was really it was reallycool to listen to.
You could, you could heardistinct voices.
There was like a bassier Voice,there was more sort of I guess
childlike, and I heard, I guess,female voices as well.
And so, yeah, no, it is, andit's really cool to hear the
explanation why it's acapellathing, like what Dave pointed
out.
Right, like there's there's noreferences to musical

(12:13):
instruments, so people to to toto show their their, I guess,
appreciation, they're usingtheir voices as instruments and
I mean there's, I think there's,there's a lot of, there's a lot
of beauty in that.
So, yeah, it's really cool tohear.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, absolutely, but growing up is that's the only
music I had I did on the schoolbus and kids would be singing
like pop songs, right, and I'mlike Got no reference.
I'm sorry, I'm just gonna hideover here in the corner and
hopefully don't ask me to singalong, but it was a very
interesting way to grow up.

(12:51):
Hmm, and.
I will say like Good, oh, isn'tit were you in the choir or
anything like that, or there'sno choir, it's just everybody in
the entire congregation singingalong simultaneously and to the
point that was previouslyraised, like, you can literally
hear everybody's voice, right,because you know the lady that's

(13:14):
like Trying to show a littlebit, and then you can also hear
the like, the guy that's, youknow, just barely keeping up and
and and you know.
I was good and watermelonswatermelons I Don't know the
word a little flat there, yeah.

(13:38):
Everybody in charge singing, youknow, and and it's not at a
upbeat pace either, right likeit is.
I grew up in a retirement area,palm Beach County, so there
were probably County Florida.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
So full of retirees our church was almost dominant
retired People.
So a little bit you know.
You know they're not the spunky20, 30 year olds, but you know
they're enjoying their days.
And so the pace of the musicwas, I would say, what was
played here was an up Rendition.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
This was the.
Yeah, yeah oh, wow you know fromfrom a musical standpoint and
also the sort of Pietystandpoint, right, it's like
we're like oh, there's no piano,there's no choir, choir,
there's no, it's just you all inthe I don't know if you called

(14:37):
it a congregation or not but youall in the church singing it,
and we're sort of like, oh, wow,you got to deal with people
that have no pitch andeverything Like that, and it's
sort of like that's not the thepoint.
Right, the point is not toCreate a great musical rendition
that'll go to the top ofSpotify charts.
Right, it, the singing of it isthe piety, right it is the

(15:01):
Worship, right, right, liftingyour voice to the Lord.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah it was the whole point, yeah, and I will say
like I definitely didn'tappreciate this at the time but
hindsight being 20, 20 there is,like it definitely fell to that
equivalence of like Gregorianchant where it almost became
like this the meditative ohexpression, right, but like the

(15:30):
pace was very low and it waskind of lower registers and so
you could have the men and thewomen singing the same song.
And it was interesting, likewhen I go back and I go to
church with my parents, it's,you know, it's interesting to
like re-experience music fromyour childhood again after

(15:52):
you've listened to so muchothers, like I can have a little
bit more appreciation now how,how it functions in a, in a
group and in a situation.
So it was an interesting startto the life of music, for sure.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, You've had a long journey, just like you know
, based on your intro, you'vedone a lot of things, which
means you've, you know, kind ofmoved away from from in Palm
Beach area, like your life hashas grown and you've done a lot
of transitions and probablypicked up some new perspectives,
and so that that cues up ournext song, which is what's a

(16:31):
song that that really did kindof open.
You know, you you share thisearly memory which is like a
very close knit musicalexperience.
Right, that's all you had.
So what's a song that openedyou up to like just an entirely
new perspective.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, so.
So, coming from from the churchmusic envelope, well, there
were a few openings for othermusic to sneak into my life and
I think it was like every Sundayor so every so often, we would
go over to my grandparents houseand they had a TV and we were

(17:07):
allowed to watch Disney cartoons.
And there was one Disneycartoon in particular that had a
musical number that frickingknocked my socks off.
That is the Little MermaidUnder the Sea.
That song, just like that, thatreally opened my eyes and blew

(18:02):
my mind.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, I love that song.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
It's a happy good song, but like when we just came
off, the song you just had andyou're talking about, like that
was on the little more upbeatside, like things were much,
much slower.
No wonder this blew your mind.
Yes, it's catchy, it's cheeky,there's jokes in it, like what a
colorful music video baked intoa.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Disney movie.
I mean, it's not the love,right.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah, when this came out this was before
Disney's known for their sort ofadaptations and stuff and I
remember when this thing cameout, it was just like the
animation was out of control andI had this art background that
used to be really into likecomic book art and like hand
animation and stuff like that.
And remember when this thingcame out, I watched it, we got

(18:55):
the home video at home and justlike the ocean sequences them
animating, you know, ocean wavescrashing and things like that I
did the detail.
That was my reference point forthis, for this movie.
I loved it, watch it over andover again.
But then, yeah, by the way, ithad some amazing songs in there

(19:15):
that I'll never forget, and thiswas one of them with Sebastian
the crabs, you know, caribbeanaccent and everything.
And yeah, yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, now this, this movie, like when I thought I
don't know if, I mean, there'scausation and the correlation,
right, like I don't know if thisis the correlating thing or a
causating thing, but like I lovethe ocean right, as we already
discussed in the intro, and likemy heart's in the sea right All

(19:48):
the time, like, and I don'tknow if it's because of this
song, like this just sort ofopened my eyes.
I mean, we lived, we lived bythe water, so we, you know, in
Jupiter, florida, so we went tothe beach a lot and swimming and
fishing, but so, but thisreally like this song was really

(20:09):
incredible because it showed mewhat music bringing it back
around to music, right, like itreally showed me what music
could be, what was possible.
I don't know who's who can't beattracted to that Caribbean
vibe, you know like soinfectious and upbeat, positive

(20:29):
and happy.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, was it this song in particular?
Was it the movie or, I guess, amix of both?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I mean, I thought the movie was good, but you know
it's about a redheaded mermaid.
I didn't exactly.
You know I was.
I don't think I was the targetaudience for that.
I did marry a redhead later onin life.
So I don't know.
I'm sensing causation.
Yeah there might be causation.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, I think the little mermaid's doing a lot of
work in your life, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Did it did listening to something like this because
you were like out of the house,you know, and as parents, like I
think I don't know about you,rosa, but David and I have
experienced with likegrandparents, just like kind of
spoiling kids or something.
So you know, sometimes you goto grandparents and you get like
to like just indulge.
You have all the ice cream andall that stuff.
Did it feel like this, likeguilty pleasure of like

(21:30):
listening to this?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
whole different music , like my parents had.
My grandparents had atelevision, right, we didn't
have a TV, or no, we didn'twatch TV over there.
We watched VHS movies, sure,but they also had a Nintendo and
, yes, so, like you know, superMario Brothers and all this
Right.
So, yeah, definitely, goingover to grandma and grandpa

(21:52):
house was this somewhat guiltypleasure thing of you know.
So there definitely could be anaspect of something, something
out of the ordinary, something alittle you know more better
than typical experience that hadan aspect in the attraction to

(22:12):
it.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Sure, yeah, yeah, and in opening to just new music,
but with that can come just newperspectives, right, you're like
what else don't I know about,or what else haven't I seen or
thought of or been exposed to?
I feel like a lot of times,when you're exposed to new music
in that way whether it's just anew song or a new genre you

(22:34):
didn't know about like it reallyis kind of like life changing.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, you just see what, like all the possibilities
that are out there, right I?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
think for me like what I wanted to do after that
song was go jump in the oceanand fish, you know like I wanted
to go hang out with the crabs,you know, go see a wreck and
hang out with a shark.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
That's awesome, but I get to do that.
Go find that redheaded mermaidright.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I got her to get like Speaking of the redheaded
mermaid and Raza, when you weretalking about the animation in
that movie, with the wavescrashing, there's that epic sort
of moment scene where you knowAriel leans up, you know sits up
on the rock and the wave hitsthe epic scene.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
There's a iconic.
Yeah, yeah, oh, my god, there'sa.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
There's an artist on Instagram or you know, tiktok,
whatever or something like that,that recreates those scenes to
look realistic.
And so it's Ariel, drawn likeAriel, but because of the waves
hitting her hair is all wet,there's like seaweed hanging,
like if this was to reallyhappen, this is how it would

(23:53):
look.
And so it's just.
It's funny, because when youwere, we've all been saying how
sort of that movie, andespecially when you were young
and saw it, it was just like, ohmy god, this is amazing and
amazing.
And so it just made me think ofthat scene of like well, that's
not how it would really happenin real life, right?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That way would probably knock her over and like
who knows, who knows.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Bash your face on the particle, it wouldn't be pretty
.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Beyond some fail video somewhere.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
You'd have to go through a few mermaids to get it
to work out, take 75, and yougot it right Way to ruin it,
david.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, no, no.
We were in the cartoon universeand now we're dealing with
barnacles and seaweed.
But I find some of those aresuper funny, like some of those
that social media stuff isreally funny when they like
parody things that feel likeperfect in the moment with how
they would really be.
I laugh super hard when I watchthat stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
So I mean TV and movies and even, I guess, music.
To some point it's likesuspended reality, right, like
you want to believe in somethingdifferent, so you let your mind
go there, and that's what makesit work.
Yeah, yeah, my thinking.
Yeah, don't tell me the matrixis a real.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh it's real, we're in it.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
About 10 years out.
Oh my God, there's an elementto suspended reality.
What is it?
I'm thinking of Mexico workwhere you want to believe it, so
you put down your suspendeddisbelief yeah.
Suspension of disbelief yeah.
Yes, yeah, and that very muchexist in movies.

(25:40):
Music to some extent as well.
I mean otherwise, why would welike white strike videos?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Right, it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
It could be me.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
If it was just real, like if Ariel is drawn of what
it really happened and she'sgetting out and see we'd hanging
down and her you know bikinitop is, she's got to adjust and
stuff it would be like, well,this isn't like what I want to
see.
And that's what's funny, likewhen I know I'm the one that
took us down this way with bybringing up the drawing idea,
but the drawing, seeing it,actually had the opposite effect

(26:15):
.
It wasn't like, oh, littlemermaid lied to me, because I
know they lied to me, like notlied to me, but you know it's a
story.
It's like we said suspension ofdisbelief and stuff like that,
and so the the the realisticdrawing kind of made it like
yeah, we want little mermaid tobe like it is, we don't want it

(26:36):
like this, that wouldn't, itwouldn't work, yeah Right.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, it kind of exemplifies what the magic
really is in in that movie andthe music and everything else.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
When, if you bring it to music right, like rap videos
or rap songs are catchy becauselike you put yourself in that
like, oh yeah, I have the carand the money.
Right, right or or, or, or,like you know, Jimmy Buffett.
Okay, you know I love JimmyBuffett.
He's my musical hero.
Rest in peace, you know he'sgot to be on a boat somewhere,

(27:14):
but like when I listen to him,like I'm on the water right Like
he puts me at the beach.
He puts me in the water and andI realize I'm not at the water
when I'm listening to the song,but like I want it so badly that
it just sort of brings a flavorof that into my life in the
moment, yeah, yeah, totally.
Yeah, I think that's a reallyinteresting aspect of music that

(27:36):
maybe is similar to what we'retalking about with video here.
The movie like bring down yourreality guard to let some
something interesting, unique in, even if it's non realistic,
because it provides some value.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah.
There was a lot of real themesin that, in that story too,
though.
I think that's that and thenthat's why it became such an
epic.
I mean you have like theteenage sort of angst built in
there.
You know the Ariel, I thinkshe's like she's a teenager in
the in the story and she'strying to get her dad's

(28:12):
permission, king Triton'spermission, to go up to the
surface, and things like that.
A lot of that stuff definitelyresonated with me.
It's like, you know, it's likeno, no, no, it's to stay down
here where it's safe and whereyour path has been set for you
type thing.
Those themes and then her sortof escaping and then getting in
trouble for it by way of thevillain Ursula, and then that

(28:36):
whole fiasco, ursula stealingher boys to get the dude that
she fell in love.
I mean it's like a properBollywood movie is what I'm
trying to say it was.
It was just epic.
You know Bollywood, tell thenovellas.
I mean it's it's, you know,just epic, epic stuff going on
in that.
And we, we I know us myself, mycousins, all of us growing up

(28:59):
we loved that movie and the songjust brought up literally all
of those, all those coolmemories.
Well, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You should bring that up, rosa, because, like, the
irony literally dawned on mewhen I filled out the
questionnaire for this for thispodcast right, like, I went back
to re listen to the song,really listen to the song,
really, look at the words, right, yeah, and the song is telling

(29:29):
Ariel not to leave the ocean,everything's better downwards,
wetter under the sea.
Right, like the whole song islike don't leave, it's better
here.
Yeah, safe here, you'reprotected here, your love here,
right, don't leave.
I was safe, protected in myreligious circle, and that song

(29:53):
was like I could leave, right,and so it's kind of like this
exact lip which struck me isquite odd because you know, my
parents were trying to protectme, keep me safe.
You know, physically, virtually, mentally, all these things,

(30:13):
right, they're absolute lovelyparents and I love them and
they've done wonderfully.
But like they were trying toprotect me in their own way,
right, trying to keep me safe inthe religious bubble, and I was
wanting to leave and the songwas saying, hey, stay safe down
here under the sea, don't leave.
So I, literally it's only beena couple of weeks since that

(30:37):
thought popped into my head, buthow ironic.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
So you probably resonated more with the Ariel
song, right?
So this was the under the seasong.
I remember she had one whichwas the opposite, which was
Ariel's perspective of trying toleave, trying to go to the
surface and see all the wondersthat are up, you know, up above
up above forgetting what thename of that song is.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But yeah, she did her little back.
She's in her museum full oflike interesting things and
she's spinning around and likeyou know, showing off all her
little treasures.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, um, oh my gosh, how did it go?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Are you going to sing it?
For us Sing it?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Raza.
Raza, you probably killed it.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
There you go.
We should all do it on thePella, guys, come on.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yes, you don't want to hear me sing.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, oh, my mic is like oh, I'm losing you.
Oh, just went out, oh yeah.
Oh my goodness, so sort ofmoving us ahead with this theme
of, like, new perspectives andthings that open up your world
in really good ways.
We'll kind of keep that.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Part of your world.
I'm so sorry.
The song was called Part ofyour World.
That was it, and she wassinging to her love right above
water.
I want to be part of your world.
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I knew that was coming.
I knew it was going to pop intoyour mind or you were going to
look it up and find it.
And it's going to come outbecause yeah, I'm impressed,
raza, I'm impressed and a littleneuro fired off in the back.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
there I'm 100%.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Do you feel better?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
about that.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, it's out, I remember what that song was.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
It would bother you the whole day.
It would bother me the wholeday.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, the whole chorus and her going through her
museum of crap was in my headand then I'm like what was the
punchline?
And then it's museum oftreasures.
It's not crap.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Remember she had the floor and she thought it was
that the whole message there wasthat we look at it as garbage
and crap, but she's like and weneed to.
There's a consumerism aspect toit.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I remember she she finds a floor and she this is
where it's going to happen.
We're not even going to get toany more songs.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
We're just going to.
We're going to do.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Oh my goodness, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's a music podcast, not a movie podcast.
People that's coming next.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh, my goodness, oh life in six movies.
We need to reactivate thePatreon page for that.
Write that down.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
All right.
Goodbye little mermaid.
Goodbye little mermaid, we'regoing to transition.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
We're going to transition back to land and and
life's, life's, perfect moments.
So for your next question,what's a song that was part of a
perfect moment where everythingjust just felt right for you?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Well, there's only one song possible for me, and
it's Van Morrison's Brown EyedGirl.
That takes me to, like latecollege years.
I kind of come to the you know,come to the realization that
this engineering thing mightactually work out.
I could possibly graduate, sothat was good.

(34:02):
I had found a girl that wastook my breath away and like she
was is everything.
She's not my wife, but backthen she was my girlfriend and
then my fiance.
But this song, van MorrisonBrown Eyed Girl, takes me right

(34:25):
back there when, like, the worldwas so full of hope and
optimism and everything wasworking out Like, had someone
who loved me and I love them.
And you know the future, thecareer looked right and you know
, the car was a piece of crapbut that wasn't going to last
forever.
You know, like everything justseemed like it was on the right

(34:46):
trajectory.
And Van Morrison's Brown EyedGirl and for the record, my wife
is not Brown Eyed Girl, she'sLove that.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Let's take a quick Of the song, but that's right.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
It's metaphorical Brown eyes.
Yeah, let's take a listen.
Are we used to saying.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
And that's not really spelled by face every time.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, how do you do listening to it again now?

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, it's just such a happy, positive life is good.
You know song that reallyreflects my attitude and
feelings back.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, particularly when you can like I don't know,
there's something about likesongs that that fit the
soundtrack, when you're likefalling in love, that, just like
I don't know, they give youlike all the warm butterflies
and like they really stick withyou over time.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, that's really true.
I mean I don't have an exactmoment of this song playing and
my, you know, being with my wife, but like I knew early on that
this song Reflected my, myfeelings, for my wife,
girlfriend, and just saideverything I wanted to say,

(36:44):
right, like, or maybe to sayeverything, but felt everything.
I felt, yeah, we played thesong, I insisted on the song, at
our wedding.
This was played at our wedding.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Oh.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's sweet.
Does she?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
know, this reminds you of your time.
Oh yeah, she got.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I like to talk.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I just have this image of the wedding and the
song comes on.
It's like, yeah, this is beingplayed before, Ben, but you know
.
And then all your guests goingoh, remember her having brown
eyes.
Does she have brown eyes?
I?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Let's pull up pictures, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, I don't remember the big intro at the
wedding.
It was just in the playlist.
But it was it, was it had to bethere, mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
You love that this song is like like a standard
requirement for every every liveband that's ever played in
Gainesville Florida.
Anytime you go out to any dive,bar, any local you know,
hangout, brewery, whatever youknow it's.
I've heard this song everysingle time there and it's in it

(37:55):
and it's as part.
It's like you know, it's likeplaying out of a sweet home,
alabama.
You know, in Alabama it's this,is this is required listening
for any party in GainesvilleFlorida.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, it just moved the room, Raza Like, so I went
to University of.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Florida as well.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And it just moved the room like they start playing
Brown Eyed Girl and literallyevery couple like gets up and
just starts moving a group.
You know it's like the roomparting the sea, but the
opposite.
They come back together likeeverybody get up and dance.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's so funny like college towns and just colleges
in general that like have thosesongs.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, mm hmm, in.
Gainesville, Florida, where youF is like Brand Eyed Girls is
strong with, but then literallyevery Tom Petty song right,
Because Tom Petty right.
Tom Petty is from Gainesville.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah yeah, tom Petty house.
I went to UF as well, so righton, go Gators, go Gators.
Carolina did, but for hergraduate degree, so she doesn't
really.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I count that, I count , that, I count on the rare, I'm
glad.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well then, you won't hold my undergraduate from the
University of Miami against me.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, I'm kidding.
I got accepted to twoUniversity of Miami, university
of Florida.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
So you went to UF University of Florida.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Got it they were fair , fair, fair, fair.
But I still paying that offtill the end of time.
I wanted to go to UF.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
So everybody on the East Coast of Florida, you know
growing up like UM is, u1 was agreat football team back then
too.
So it's right, yeah, yeah, bigGainesville, it's a beautiful
place and you know, miami is agreat town, a great city.
So what's not to love about?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
UM, nothing.
I love my time there 100%.
I can't fall down.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and it's so funny.
It's so funny too, raza, whenyou set, when you brought that
up, about it being played inGainesville and it's like the
cover song and and it's so trueand I'm sure it's that way in
other places.
But, yeah, when you said thatit, yeah, this song reminds me
of Gainesville and being out atjust the random bar and yeah,

(40:22):
it's going to come on andeveryone, like you said it's
going to go nuts like thereverse Moses, and it's like
everyone's just up and goingyeah, yeah, it's got that power.
Yeah, it's just one of thosesongs.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Short sandals, happy, empty yeah With white shirts or
Hawaii shirts or UF shirts, andthis song.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, yes, very different style choices in
Gainesville and UF compared toMiami and the university.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yes, yes.
So thinking while we're sittinghere kind of in in in happy and
perfect moments, it's, it'simportant to know like life at
steps and downs, right, it's,it's not always sunshine's,
rainbows and waves in the sea,but life has, it's really

(41:15):
difficult, challenging momentsas well.
So, to pivot us a little bitfrom from the joy, what's a song
that reminds you or has helpedyou through a difficult time or
situation?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I can't escape this water vibes.
But Bob Marley's Three LittleBirds is, it's been like a
constant companion for me, asyou know, when I'm feeling
really down and there's beensome times of real struggle, you
know, bearing in on a situation, or like life pushed you over,

(41:55):
pushed me over.
And Three Little Birds isdefinitely a song that I go to
over and over again when I justneed to be like recollected and
lifted up, like it has thisamazing effect of helping me
understand the bigger picture,right, like cause.

(42:17):
You know, life happens, we getbusy in the weeds, I get stuck
on a on a situation or a problem, you know, whether it's work or
family or whatever.
And and I go to Three LittleBirds probably a couple of times
a year because it's not becauseI like it but because I need it

(42:38):
.
And it just reminds me that youknow what?
There's more to life, right,there's still birds out singing,
the sun's still going to comeup, and that's okay, I'm still
alive.
There's more to do, there'smore to give, there's more to
enjoy.
It's the feasible past, right.

(43:00):
So to me, I mean I just loveBob Marley, but like this song
in particular is is really,really striking and supportive
to me when I I mean there waswell, I guess we'll play and
then elaborate.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, let's go back there one more time.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh yeah, I just lifted up already.
You know like it's just suchtruth.
You know the sun's going tocome up again and the birds will
sing again.
Yeah, no matter what strugglesgot me down those truths remain

(44:24):
and and that makes it okay,right, like, as long as I can
just keep walking, keep movingforward, it'll be all right.
It'll be all right, I'll seethe sun again.
I'll hear some birds.
Everything's going to be allright.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Totally I.
I love how you said in the leadup to it of I would.
I listened to it a couple oftimes a year, not simply because
I like it, but because I needit.
I think that is you know.
I think that sums up so wellwhat we're talking about here

(45:00):
and everything we're doing ofjust like you know it's.
It's not music isn't just thereas a nice to have, it's it's
needed at times, or or the, theexpression that comes out of it
right Of some kind, and I thinkthat's just so, so on point and

(45:22):
said so succinctly, of just no,it's not just because I liked it
, it's because I needed it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, further, like take that a little bit further.
And it's not like when I put iton because I need it, I'm not
that I want to hear it, it'slike I'm literally in a place
where, like I'm so beat down,like what do I have left?
But a song, you know?
Yeah, feel like the waves areon me and there's no air.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Right, right Like a life preserver or something.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, that's the grass, right, that Bob Marley
song is the grass to get to thesurface.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, thank you, bob yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Yeah, that's powerful , right, that's super powerful
in itself.
That a song has this ability toto lift you up out of that.
That.
You know that that thatheadspace and it's a song, it's.
It could be just a song, youknow, air quotes just a song,
but it's like that's that's.

(46:28):
You know it has the power to dothat for you, and I think
that's that.
That that's that's important.
It should be, it should berecognized.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, and over time, like Bob Marley's been gone a
really long time, right, hismusic, this song in particular,
like it's really timeless, likeit feels just as relevant, happy
, uplifting today than you knowit did when we were kids.

(47:00):
I don't even know when it cameout, but but he's, he's been,
he's, he passed away really along time ago at this point and
his music continues to like,strongly, live on, oh there's
something about what he put outin the world.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It was just, I mean, at least this is my perception
of Bob Marley but it was purepositivity.
You know, like optimism, hope,I mean the guy speaks of some
really horrific experiences andcircumstances and yet you know,
bob Marley can find hope in it,right, like I mean, maybe he had

(47:34):
some help.
But if he can find hope in it,you know, like I should be able
to as well.
And it's not a complicated song, right, not like a some big,
elaborate story and like journeyof redemption or hope.
You know, it's just like justputting simple truths out there
melodically, with a nice calmingbeat or rhythm or you know,

(48:01):
melody, and I don't know ifthat's the trick for me.
I mean it doesn't fix myproblems but it helps me like,
kind of like step out of thatheadspace for a couple of
minutes and maybe find somefootage.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, hey, honey, I listened to the Barb Marley song
.
All the bills are taken care ofnow, right?
Yes, nobody's true.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
When you feel like you're almost drowning in, like
overwhelm, like how do you stepout of that for a minute to kind
of catch your breath?
And if a song like this can dothat for you, that speaks
powerfully.
And I think with a couple ofsongs it was like this one and
the last one like it was a veryclear response.
You were like there is but onesong, right, like I don't have

(48:46):
to think about this too hard,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, it's interesting.
When I was approached aboutdoing the podcast, first I
thought, wow, that's a reallybig ass.
How am I going to spoil my lifedown to six songs?
Sounds like a really hardproblem.
And so you know it's notcommittal about everything.

(49:11):
And I just walked away.
You know that thoughtpercolating in the back and
within 20 minutes I had sixsongs, like they just kept
popping right Like I'd just be,you know, walking through the
house and was like what aboutthis one?
Like yeah, of course, got it,yeah, of course that song, you

(49:33):
know.
And then, like 10 minutes laterit'd be another song would pop
into my head Like yeah, that'sit, that has to be the song,
right, and it just revealeditself to me so clearly in a
short amount of time.
I thought that was ratherinteresting.
So the six songs prompt youguys have here is powerful stuff

(49:57):
.
It's really powerful and Iappreciate the opportunity to
participate in this lovelyexperience.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, yeah, we appreciate you coming on and do
it and sharing that aspect.
I find it it's so, sointeresting with that too.
I mean, we've been doing thispodcast, you know, for you know
a couple months now maybe, likewith prep time, getting ready to
launch or whatever.
And, as people in my world havejust heard about it from you
know, sharing it and stuff, andpeople will message me and just

(50:27):
checking in like, hey, how's itgoing, how are you doing, or
whatever.
And they're like, oh, I'mloving the podcast, or whatever.
And they're like I've got my sixand it's blah, blah, blah and
they rattle it off and I'm like,I'm so surprised by that
because I did not expect it, Ididn't expect people to just be
offering that, and so I was like, oh, my goodness, is this like

(50:47):
the workplace issue that's gonnabe here?
Like you know, people have itlike famous actors that did that
one movie.
You know that every and everytime they see them on the street
, it's like, hey, what's up?
You know, costanza, you know, Iknow who you are.
And I'm like, oh God, if thisgets any bigger and people start
to know, are people gonna comeup to us and be like, oh, I
wanna tell you my six.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I wanna tell you, my six.
And I'm like I'm just trying toeat my salad here at the
restaurant.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah.
And then I'm like hold on, wehave a questionnaire, Don't
worry.
I'll send you the link yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I think.
Well, I think sometimes we gothrough life the good times, the
bad times, the transitions iswhere we'll go to next.
And we but we're I don't know.
Our memories sometimes are inreal time, things that were said
to us or how we were feeling,or whatever the event was,

(51:41):
asking folks through this way,what we're doing, of translating
it to music.
I don't know that you alwaysconnect, that there was music
connected to that time in yourlife but, when you start to
think about it, like you like itjust like bubbled to the
surface.
Those memories came like rightback.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, and you can tell it now, as you're telling
the stories and we're playingthe songs, You're not just like
no, no, this was the song, eventhough you're not really sure,
but you're like I'm gonna gowith this one and I'll stand
behind it, Like it's clear.
You know that there's stuffthere.
Connection.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
And to the enduring theme of this podcast I love
punk rock.
Punk rock, like you know, thesearen't.
This isn't okay.
I'd be lying if I said beachmusic is not my favorite genre,
but like what I listened to on aregular basis.
You know these, you know fanmore than I don't listen to all

(52:43):
the time.
Great, sure, yeah, church hymnsnot so much lately.
You know the little mermaid.
I watched the reboot but youknow it's not like I've got
these songs on on loop in mylife, right, but these momentous
songs you know to Carolina'spoint, they were there in the

(53:04):
moment, you know, and some ofthem caused the moment, you know
, like the little mermaid songyou know to me like that pushed
the evolutionary adaptation, Iguess, along.
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah, I think that's been one of the most surprising
things for me from all of ourguests and just this process as
a whole.
You know I did my own episode,so I had to like think about
these things too, and it's thatit's not our favorite music to
rock out or listen to.
It's this music that presentsitself in our life unexpectedly,
without prompting, that justgets seared into a memory.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, not a psychologist, but I have found
this to be like just reallyinteresting how that plays out.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, I think you guys found a vein of gold here
with this.
Yeah, oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, we've enjoyed the you know handful we've done
so far and it's just been sogreat it's, it's.
It's been a really great way toget to know someone too In this
, in this way of like, you know,every guess we've had on, I'm
now like connected to them in away that I wouldn't have been
before.
And the songs they brought upright.
I'm never going to hear BrownEyed Girl the same way again,

(54:22):
because not only do I have myown history with that music and
I remember my parents playingthe Van Morrison, that record
you know down in the basement,but now I've got a new one right
, and so now when it comes onI'll be like, oh, I remember in
the basement, oh, and this wasBen's song, you know, like it's
just, it's just great in thatway.
So, yeah, yeah, and it's funnytoo.

(54:42):
You said about the, you know,you kind of want to say like,
hey, just so everyone knows outthere, I'm not like rocking out
to the little mermaid soundtrackevery day in my car.
You're nuts.
Yeah.
You're nuts, Although, althoughfull disclosure, in college I
would put Lion King or LittleMermaid on every night to go to

(55:04):
sleep.
It was just a peaceful way tokind of fall asleep.
So hey, there you go.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
The Lion King is another movie with a great
soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
And just in that way too Right.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
The animation, it was this sort of epic scale.
Anyway, not a movie podcast.
Where was I going with that?
Oh yeah, the like I had.
Some people say, oh, I've gotmy six and it's, it's, it's more
of their six favorite songs.
And I'm always quick to say,like this is not Desert Island
songs, it's not the six that youwould listen to if you could

(55:39):
only have six.
If anything, it's not theopposite of that, but it's songs
that you may not even realizeare important in your life.
But then, like you said, goingthrough the questionnaire and
this, you know all three of usdid it too, which I'm so glad we
did now because we're aware ofthe experience that everybody's
having, because it's that sameway, like once, you know that
Britney Spears with me, ofBritney Spears is toxic in when

(56:03):
I was deployed to Iraq and I, Iwas like no, that can't be one
of my songs I'm going to talkabout, but I'm like, no, this is
exactly it, it's the epitomeit's the one that it gave the
idea for this right.
Like other people have to havethese connections to music that
is is just there at parts oftheir life and so, yeah, so

(56:23):
thank you for sharing everythingso far and what we have more to
go.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
That's right, got a couple more.
So, in thinking about just thejourney you've been on between
new perspectives and, you know,just based on your intro, you've
been pretty busy, which meansyou've had, you know, probably a
lot of transitions in your lifeas you try new things, as you
pivot, as things work, as theyfail, as you know, life does

(56:47):
what life does.
For your next song, I'll askwhat's the song that you
associate with a weightytransition in your life?
What's the song and what wasthat transition?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah.
So you know, as you get, asit's been noted, I've done.
I've done quite a few things,and not just like all in a small
little zone, but like I'vereinvented my career a couple of
times here.
So I'm out of necessity, othersout of desire, but song that to

(57:21):
me kind of inspires me to keepgoing.
You know, when a door closes,like crawl through that window
right, like what's the song thatdoes that?
The song that does that for meis Jimmy Buffett.
With Alan Jackson, I've gotboats to build.
Everybody who goes throughGainesville gets a little bit of
a country experience.
You know, going to Gainesville,florida, and the first thing

(57:42):
that I do is I end up listeningto a little bit of country.
And I like Alan Jackson, but Ilove Jimmy Buffett and to me
this song like, really like,brings two amazing artists
together and it's soinspirational to me that you
know, life throws transitions,life throws Beat bumps and

(58:02):
hiccups and you know what, likelet's get through them, let's,
let's overcome them.
And this boat, this boat Gotboats to build this song.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
That was a great Freudian slip.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
That was perfect.
This new boat, this boat I'mabout to build, will get me
there.
So, Alan Jackson, jimmy Buffett, I've got boats to build.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
From a normal plane.
Let the ships fall where theywill, cause I've got boats to
build.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
How does it feel listening to it now?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I love that song, right, it tells me that you know
what I'm still here, I'm stillkicking.
If you know, anytime atransition comes like and it's
not that I'm going to build aboat, it's, you know, allegory
for transitions and the work ittakes to make a transition,
cause anytime you do anythingnew it's a lot of work.

(59:29):
Right, you got to go back toschool or you got to.
You know, you guys, in thispodcast, like nobody just puts
on a podcast, to wake up onemorning and it's recording you
got to like put all the piecestogether.
Right, you had a boat to build.
This is a boat.
Right, like your podcast is aboat.
Like my you know, my solar andmy solar installation company.

(59:51):
It took two years ofpreparation before I was able to
even like hang a shingle.
They, hey, let me put up solarpanels on your roof.
And you know, just as thatcompany started to catch it.
Right, just as there was thewind in that sale, the great
recession, and so who's gonnaput $15,000 to $20,000 worth of

(01:00:17):
solar panels on their roof whentheir house just dropped $20,000
in value last year?
Right, like that was the last.
So that sunk that, if you will.
Then there's a whole emotionalexperience when something goes
south like that and eventually Ilistened to three little birds

(01:00:42):
enough times and I'm like, okay,what's the next thing?
Right?
There's a lot of other thingsthat occurred in the meantime,
but I decided to start a rapidmanufacturing company.
I really saw some need for that.
There's a lot of preparationfor that, to build out a company
in partnerships, to geteverything in place.

(01:01:05):
It was a boat to build and thenCOVID just like a year, two
years into that, covid happensand rework everything and
through that whole process ofbuilding a boat, it's sinking

(01:01:27):
building another boat, startingto sound like the guy in Monty
Python, right, I built a castleand fell into the swamp and then
I built another town.
But that's how I find myselfnow doing the artificial
intelligence work, right.
So through the rapidmanufacturing work got into
projects, we were doing things,building out complete systems,

(01:01:48):
and we started integratingartificial intelligence capacity
into our offerings, into oursystems that we were selling,
and the artificial intelligenceside of thing was really
valuable and took off.
So that's how I find myselfdoing what I'm doing now.
But over and over again, it'sgot boats to build.

(01:02:11):
You got an idea, you got aconcept and you gotta go for it.
But it's not just like a oneand done.
You have to plan, you have toprepare, you have to build the
boat before anything.
But the whole process is veryoptimistic.
This song is that optimistic tome, so it's gonna be, worth it,

(01:02:34):
but we're on the water.
It'll be great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I love that.
Jimmy Buffett is kind of thatsoundtrack for you and I'm gonna
say like failing forward.
But as someone has had to pivota lot too, it's hard.
It can be hard to continuouslypick yourself back up, dust
yourself off and I loved yourreference to a door closing and

(01:03:02):
not that life opens a window orwhatever.
But you said something like yougotta crawl yourself through a
window and it really does feellike that.
Right, it doesn't necessarilyfeel like the other opportunity
is just like poof, right there.
It feels like this crawling toget back up and find whatever
that sliver of a window or otherdoor or doggy door or whatever

(01:03:25):
it is that you gotta crawlthrough to get there.
And I just I don't know.
I love Jimmy Buffett, so thefact that he kind of sat in that
journey with you is probably, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I'm just wondering.
He might not be here, but he'sstill on the journey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, he's building more boats, yeah, no, I really
appreciate this song and yourstory behind it and your stories
here in the songs are just likeinspiring in this way of just
like there's such like I'mseeing so much of your story in

(01:04:06):
it.
Right, and what you've done,like in this sort of the songs,
are all different, right, fromDisney movies to whatever, but
there's these, like you see youin all of them, right?
Oh, I realized I just made awave signal with my hands,
perfect, but yeah, I just oh, Ilove it.
And as someone who I grew upwith Jimmy Buffett all the time

(01:04:29):
playing, my dad was a hugefisherman and boater and Jimmy
Buffett was on all the time.
We had every album and it waswhat was interesting.
When I was getting your songsready and saw this song, I was
like, oh, this is one I'm not asfamiliar with, and so that was
a nice surprise.
And you know cause I'm likeI've had to have heard all of

(01:04:49):
Jimmy Buffett's songs, right?
No, I mean, it's like, nope,there's always, there's always
one more out there, it seems.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, no, this isn't, is definitely not one of, like,
the fan favorite Jimmy Buffettsong, you know.
But yeah, there's probably veryfew people that actually have
heard this song.
But yeah, I don't know how Icame across it, but when I did
come across it it just spoke tome, you know.
It was like, yeah, this songit's how I keep going forward.

(01:05:18):
This song explains the processof reinvention invention in the
first place, you know.
So, that's why, I love it.
Yeah, I feel like his songs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah, have a lot of those good, just sort of
metaphors in ways that, likewhen you're thinking about like
boating or being out on the sea,you know things like the
weather or things like you knowlots just goes wrong.
And so how do you find purpose,how do you keep going, how do
you navigate the squalls andstorms of life?
And he does just a beautifuljob at like articulating that

(01:05:57):
through song.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
It's.
So when he's singing boats tobuild, I'm in my mind, I'm
hearing stuff to do, like it'sabout taking action.
Keep going, but keep doing.
You have, you know, I got boatsto build.
I have stuff to do, I havestuff to get done.
When, if one door closes, well,you know to move forward, but

(01:06:19):
you know it's the action.
But I was just thinking.
Also, another great analogy isthat I think you were saying
something about, you know, if aventure failed, it was kind of
like a boat sinking, and so theboat that you're trying to build
has to be like sea worthy,right, I mean, it has to.

(01:06:41):
You can't just put a bunch ofplanks together and watch it
sink.
You have to plan and you haveto, yeah, and you have to
execute.
Now, thinking since, so ifthere's stuff to do and there's
stuff to build, whether it'sbuilding a career or building a
venture or building a business,whatever it might be, I think
that boat analogy works on manydifferent you know fronts

(01:07:04):
because in order to havesomething succeed, you gotta,
you have to.
You know, draft it, plan it,kind of.
Do your trial and error, maybedo a test, run a test, you know,
trip down Potomac River, Idon't know, you know, and again
in air quotes, but yeah, thatboats analogy and to build boats

(01:07:26):
and stuff to do and I love thatapplication.
Maybe I don't know, maybe JimJimmie Buffett was on to
something when he used, when heused that reference, because it
can go.
You know multiple differentways and I know I know literally
nothing about boats or water orthings being seaworthy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I'm not gonna change that, Rafa.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, nice , but yeah no, it's great, great
song and great message too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, and I think what it does for me the song is
it takes a little bit of thefear and a little bit of the
trepidation of preparation andhard work required to make to
achieve a goal.
If you can put something in asong, it doesn't seem so scary,
right.
And so, like, thinking aboutboats to build, oh yeah, it

(01:08:19):
takes work to build a boat.
Oh, you got a plan.
You got to like do the work.
You got to like make the boards.
You got to put it together.
Right Like, got to test sailand all this, right, putting it
in a song makes it lessterrifying, it makes it less
stressful, you know, and justlike, and if, really, in the

(01:08:39):
last couple of years, I'veidentified the value of
abstraction, right Like, if Ican abstract an idea into a
corollary concept, like I'mstarting a company, but no, it's
just a boat, right that reallyhelps over here, because I
stopped looking at that thingI'm trying to build as this big

(01:09:01):
scary thing it's just a boat.
Right, it's just a boat.
Okay, so there's clanks tobuild, there's, you know, things
to do over here with the boat.
There's also things to do overhere with starting this company
and, you know, starting todevelop.
So, best, right, likeabstracting that terrifying idea
through song into you knowsomething less scary, it's a

(01:09:24):
really powerful way I've foundin my life to keep moving
forward, right With theterrifying idea and with the big
mountain decline.
It is a big boat.
Yeah, I don't know, it justmassively helps in my mind.
Yeah, and I do want to give onefunny allegory the name of
sorry side story, the name of myfirst boat.

(01:09:50):
Eight sunk, yet I named my boateight sunk.
Yet you want to know why?
Because I wanted to go scubadive that thing so bad, I
thought it would be the bestthing in the world to go scuba
dive a boat where on the side itsays eight sunk.

(01:10:11):
Yet Right, right, yeah, can youimagine going down and be?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
like we're going to go see the wreck and it's like
eight sunk, yet yeah, I see whatyou did there oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
God, that is funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Ron, it's the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Titanic man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
In the backyard somewhere South Florida.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
It reminds me of the Titanic.
Remember it was called theunsinkable Like literally that
was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
That was totally, but I think you were planning on
sinking it to make it like awreck.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I hope to sink it to it.
I'm going to go scuba dive aplace later.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
And it almost got a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Like it's today, the day I think it's sunk, yet I
guess we're going back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, no, I appreciate your flushing out of
like the connections and how yousaw it and the boat and things
like that Cause just one more tothrow out there, in that way of
like when you were describingthe real life boats you were
building and what was happeningto them.

(01:11:17):
Those boats didn't sink becauseyou did a bad job on building
the boat.
It was these things out in theworld, yes, and it just.
I think the boat metaphor justworks so well for that, because
you're an engineer, right, youcould do all the math, get

(01:11:37):
everything and build like theperfect boat, but it doesn't
mean shit until you put it onthe water and see if it floats
right.
That's what boats do.
If the boat doesn't float right,doesn't matter what else is
going on, and that's kind of outof your control, in a sense
right, because that's dependenton the ocean, like you said, row
, waves and all those types ofthings.
And so I think it's like what Iwas also hearing in that way

(01:12:00):
too, of like you can put all ofyour effort into building the
boat, it doesn't guarantee it'snot going to sink, and just
cause it does doesn't meanyou're a bad boat builder, it
just means go back and do itagain.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Right life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Climb through a window.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
That's right.
Climb through a window.
Yeah, it's impossible topredict like a massive recession
or a pandemic, or like howoften does life say hold my beer
, let me throw this at you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
And every couple of years.
In my experience it's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
I guess more often than we think.
But we got to persevere andfigure out our purpose and lived
like find another day.
So I'm gonna we're almost thereI'm gonna transition us to your
last song here, and we've talkeda lot about like career and
love and life, but I thinkthere's probably more.

(01:13:00):
Just you time, right, personalthings that you like to do, what
kind of describes what makesyou happy.
And so for your last song, it'swhat's?
A song that's intimatelyconnected to another activity,
location, a trip, a book, asport, something that you just
love.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
All right.
So I said I had a song about adesert.
Would you believe me?
Probably not, probably not.
So the song that takes mesomewhere it has to be Mr Lou by
Dick Dick.
That song drops right backJuneau Beach Pier, got a head
high, swell drops well coming in, and I couldn't be happier.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Oh, dear, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Let's take a listen.
B fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
So I hope it's not too cliche, but like this song I
mean, for whatever reason thissong like puts me in the water.
Every I mean.
To me that song is theexperience of surfing music,
although you take a two minutesong and you have to push it
down to about 20 seconds forSouth Florida surfing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Not all you get.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yeah, this, is it right here?
This puts me back in the ocean,out in the water, with my best
buddies, and got horrible chopswell coming in, because it's
South Florida.
It's not nice clean lines, it's, you know, maybe a hurricane's
well blowing.

(01:15:03):
It's a washing machine right,put your out here having fun.
The weather's nice, water'swarm, looking for waves and
rolling your brains out.
Yeah, blinking all the saltwater out of your eyes and
hoping for more, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Yeah, yeah, nice.
I mean, we know this song wasimmortalized by Pulp Fiction,
yeah, but, and yeah, I think, assomeone who has, you know, very
little connection to water,this will always, always remind

(01:15:42):
me of you know the like, thediner scene, and you know guns
of blazing, and you know jewelsand Vincent Vega, which was also
, you know, a huge part of, like, south Florida culture and high
school and stuff like that.
Yeah, no, this is great.
I love this song.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah, I don't know where I came across it, but I
mean I went down a whole likeclassic rock Rock, rabbit Hole,
back in high school.
I think it started with theBeach Boys and these guys.
They never even got in thewater.
I'm like, okay, let's find anartist that actually got in the

(01:16:26):
water, like you know, like BuddyHolly and like Dick Dale was
right there beside Buddy Hollyfor me, but Dick Dale was just
like you know that likescreaming surf guitar is like
the experience of notnecessarily riding away
particularly, but like fallingdown the face of the wave, like

(01:16:49):
dropping into a wave, is this?
It's this physical, emotionaladrenaline packed literally one
to two seconds.
Right, I started surfing becauseI was skateboarding.
I just got so sick and tired ofgetting hurt.
Like skateboarding there wasalways something sweet, or you

(01:17:09):
know, you like crash.
You're like break my arm, is myshoulder in?
You know, tired being injured.
All the time I wonder aboutsurfing, right?
So me and my buddy battled outfor the first time didn't have a
clue what we were doing.
You know middle school and youknow he was my best buddy then.
He's my best buddy now, like,and we still go surf together.

(01:17:32):
You know years and years.
Your decades later, we're stillsearching together, less often,
but still chasing those waves.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
But like it puts me not necessarily in the water but
like falling down the face of awave, right that driving motion
of the surf, of the speedguitar riff.
You know that's the best way Icould explain falling down the
face of water and like just thespray in your face and the wind

(01:18:07):
from the wave and just theoverall experience.
So that's where that comes from.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I really like that because you know surfing and
surfers you know as a group, youknow the vibe of it is very
like, you know, one with thewater and one with the earth and
it's supposed to be thisreconnection with the wave and
you know it's a very spiritualexperience for a lot of surfers,

(01:18:37):
right?
But what you're talking aboutis that momentary part of
surfing where it could go.
Either way, I'm either going tohave a good ride or I'm not
going to make it down, and youknow I don't know all the terms,
I'm not a surfer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
And I just really like that because it's sort of
that thing of like no, it's it.
Being peaceful and beingconnected doesn't mean like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Oh, that's absolutely fair.
Can't be exciting, yeah, andyou're like you need that.
Yeah, yeah.
You need those moments of panicand sheer exhilaration when
you're like you feel the back ofyour board tip up right and
either you've got it or you'veeither caught the wave, you've
paddled hard enough, you've putyourself in the right position,

(01:19:25):
you've done all that.
The wave picks you up andpushes you down the face and
it's like it's like hitting on,it's like stepping on the
accelerator.
All right, like kind of getpushed back to the sea.
But imagine if you didn't havea windshield.
Right Like you just feel thewind in your face, right?
And then imagine if there was abucket of water while that's
happening and he throws it inyour face, right.

(01:19:46):
That's the experience, you know.
And then in South Florida Imean the California people they
got it so lucky, althoughthey're cold, they're in a big
old wet, wet suits.
Yeah, south Florida water wasalmost always warm, but at least
they had like really nice linesdown in South Florida.
I mean, it was like drop inbottom turn.

(01:20:07):
Maybe you got like one or twoseconds of a line and then it's
just another wall of water inyour face and you know, all
right, right over, go out and doit again.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
And then do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yeah, oh, you're pumped at that point you cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
What's your dream location to surf?
Money's no object.
No, anything's any object, justpie in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
I love Costa Rica.
I love Costa Rica.
I'll probably be back downthere in a month or two, but
yeah, no, Costa Rica's just gotthe warm water, it's got the
long lines right.
My joke about the 22nd rideright.
Like I've never had a twominute ride like the length of

(01:20:56):
Miserloo from the scale right.
So that can be a complete,accurate reflection of all of my
surfing.
Has never surfed for that long,but that is the possibility
down in Costa Rica, so I knowI'm going to try and pull that
off.
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I don't surf, but I think like the visual you're
describing is resonating, like Ican sort of like visualize it.
What I love about theconnection to this song Is that
like super fast guitar, like Idon't surf, but it gives me like
an adrenaline rush to hear thesong, like something about the
way the music plays and so likeconnecting those two activities

(01:21:38):
and like this really intensenature of like those seconds
where you're like this is eithergoing to be good or this is
going to hurt real bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Winners or fail, we're going to have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
That's right.
We're on it now Like I lovethat.
I love that, yeah, all right.
So, ben, we have gone throughyour six songs.
How, hey, how does it, yeah,how does it feel to like hear
your life reflected throughthrough music and these six

(01:22:10):
songs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Really really fascinating way to consider
one's life, isn't it Like Ican't?
You know, I've heard a few ofthe podcasts and everybody's
like, wow, I never expected itthis way, right, but for me it's
.
It's been a really interestingway to look at life in a non
emotional way, right, if you,anytime you can take a motion

(01:22:33):
out of, out of analysis, it'sdefinitely beneficial.
And the ability to abstract,going back to abstract thinking
here, abstract your life into afew songs.
I found it's really amazingexperience, really illuminating,
and honestly, it's put me on alittle bit of an introspective

(01:22:54):
play to like kind of like figureout why, you know, why am I
some ways, and it wasinteresting to kind of connect
the dots on how I got here.
Right, yeah, maybe it's notbecause of messed up, because of
my journey, the path, you knowit's been fascinating.

(01:23:16):
I appreciate the opportunity.
I really, like I said earlier,I think you guys have a great
subject matter here.
Really it helped people.
I appreciate the opportunity tobe on because it's been helpful
for me, I'll admit, just theprocess.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
I'm glad you guys awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Yeah, it's really cool to hear that.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
What I love is in your you did it in your answer
to that.
I've seen your engineer comeout at times and you're like
anytime you can separate emotionfrom your analysis and stuff,
you're on point and I'm like,okay, that's engineer bed.
But then other times you'veyou've been that more artistic,

(01:23:59):
metaphorical, I'll say emotionalside of of, of really just deep
analysis, of getting he kind ofhuman experiences across.
So I just I just find thatinteresting because it's like I
think a lot of times we getpigeonholed and you're like, you

(01:24:20):
know, someone could talk to you, ben, and hear your couple
phrases that is like oh, that'san engineer phrase, right, and
be like that, that's just howyou are, and it's like, no,
there's, there's a whole rangeof different aspects to us and
so it was cool seeing those comeout from you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
When the selection of songs it helps to that right
Like I've got boats to build isalmost an engineer song right
Like it is an engineer Like he'stalking about building boards
and a plan.
He's got this design andfunctionally it's an engineering
song right, like there'd beBuffett now in Jackson.
We're playing engineer that day.
But then also you got like BobMarley, who probably more on the

(01:25:07):
artistic side than and theability to choose songs, you
know, helping Using a part one.
So Characteristics in anon-threatening, non-judgmental
way.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
So yeah, pretty cool, pretty Got a Got engineer Ben,
and then you've got Zen Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Surfer Ben.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Just put me on the water and I'll be yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
No, dude, you got boats to build.
My friend Got boats to build,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Looking forward to have you Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Have you designed any surfboards?
That's the big question.
Is an engineer, have you?
Have you merged those twoworlds or are they separate?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Well, I've definitely looked into it.
I mean so I don't surf enoughto like really be able to Really
do it justice, Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
I definitely have all the tools and, like you know,
I'm an aerospace engineer.
We could run a CFD analysis anddo structural analysis on the
foam and the and, like you know,figure out the proper number of
sheets and the orientation.
The fiberglass right, Like wecould engineer this not out of
the surfboard.
I just haven't had theopportunity yet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I'm so glad you nerded out with that, because
that's what I was.
I wasn't hoping for it.
I try and not ask questionswith a hope for an answer, but I
definitely wanted to.
You know, yeah, have you go offin the engineering side?
Yeah, that would be for that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
No, right now I'm just building AI models.
That's fun too.
I'd really do enjoy Cool, allright.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
So, ben.
So, with all of our interviews,you know, toward the end, as we
start to kind of, you know,wind things down, wrap things up
, we do what's called alightning round.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
So this round.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
That's right.
I hope you can navigate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
We hook electrodes up to you and then answer
questions under duress.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
The storms are coming , no kidding.
So yeah, so for this lightninground, we'd love to know what is
your first, your last and yourbest concert, or favorite
concert First, last and bestslash favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
All right.
So my first concert was inmiddle school.
Walt Disney World had once ayear this thing called Night of
Joy where it was a big Christianmusic themed night and they
bring in various Christianartists, rock and you know,
Christian pop, music, black, andthey'd have stages.

(01:28:02):
You just ride the ride, listento Christian music.
And so back in sixth or seventhgrade the band I was allowed to
listen to was playing and theywere called the News Boys.
They were amazing at the time.
You heard my early introductionto music, yeah, and yeah it's

(01:28:28):
catchy stuff.
So it was okay.
But that was my first concertwas Night of Joy.
I only remember what year itwould have been now.
But yeah, listening to the NewsBoys, that was the first one.
My last one was a pirate metalband Absolutely awesome.
That was mind blowingly fun.

(01:28:52):
I had some helps from myfriends on that one.
Definitely got to go see ALStorm again if they come through
town.
But anything that's waterthemed for me is all right in my
book.
I don't mind some metal, I likemetal.
That was a lot of fun.

(01:29:12):
Water and rubber ducks.
Right yeah, what a niche.
Pirate metal.
Pirate metal.
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Do you like Jimmy Buffett?
But one, it kicked up a notchPretty much.
Pirate metal yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yes, yeah, yeah, you think Jimmy Buffett's got some
slightly off topic songs.
Yeah, I haven't seen piratemetal.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
And I had to clarify.
When Raza brought it up, he waslike you mean pirates Like R,
like a hoi.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
He was like yo yeah, oh yeah, drop some guitars and
some good solid drumming inthere, some guy screaming his
brains out and a giant duck andit's all good.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Yeah, oh, my god.
No, that was easily the mostinsane show I've ever seen in my
life.
And just fun, just plain oldfun, loud metal music.
The singer also had plays inaccordion and, yeah, guitar
solos and glass beats and rubberducks and you know, audience

(01:30:24):
dressed up as pirates.
It was great.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Oh, I'm sure that the outfits were amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Did you dress up?
A couple of us did yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Nice.
I tried to dress Raza.
I gave him an eye patch andlike a scarf or something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Oh, are there pictures?

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Dig up some pictures, maybe for the outtakes episode.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
That's right.
That's right.
The year in review yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Take one for the team .
Let's see the iPad.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
We need it All right.
So that was my last concert.
I would have to stay my bestconcert of all time.
I've got a buddy who I grew upwith.
He's the guy in middle school.
We paddled out together, nothaving a clue.
We learned how to surf together.
We went to university together.
We're still best friends, greatfriends, to this day.
And so a few years ago he'slike hey, come on back down to

(01:31:26):
South Florida, we should hangout.
He doesn't live in the USanymore.
So he's like hey, we shouldhang out, I'll be in South
Florida, come down.
He's like oh, and there's a TomPetty concert.
Let's go see a Tom Pettyconcert with you.
And at that concert he told mehis wife was expecting and that
he wanted me to be the godfatherof his son.

(01:31:46):
So that concert right there forme is like you know, peak of
the mountain experience.
You know, tom Petty, bestfriend from all time, like going
to be his son's godfather, likethat was a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
That's a true.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
And it was fun yeah.
Yeah.
That's good stuff.
That's great, that is likesolid life memory that was right
there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's like the perfect wave.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
That was one of.
That was a perfect way,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Oh, my goodness, oh, that's so good.
Thank you so much, ben, forjust like trusting us with your
story and your and your deeplypersonal music, because you know
it can be intimidating to sharethese, these parts of ourselves
, with folks, so we really lovehaving you on.

(01:32:42):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
It was my pleasure, like absolutely pleasure.
I appreciate the opportunityand this has been a lot of fun.
It's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Awesome.
That's good to hear.
That's good to hear.
I'm glad like it wasn't liketoo nerve-wracking or anything,
because you know you are, you'relike sharing vulnerable, so
like I love that you enjoy theexperience.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah, I won't lie, there's a few butterflies.
You know there was a little bitof a my day one here, like the
process that.
I don't know if you guys madeit super comfortable and easy
and it's just a great experience.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
That's awesome.
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
In the last few minutes we have left, just as we
kind of sign off with you.
If you want to, you know, tellfolks what you've got going on.
I know you've started a newventure, anything that might be
going on interesting in yourlife and how people can maybe
get in contact with you if theywant.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Sure, yeah.
So you know I do AI modeling atthis point on LinkedIn.
You want to find me, but youknow, I guess if I'm going to
plug anything, plug this podcast.
This thing's awesome.
You guys are killing it.
So I think you guys have areally solid concept here and
it's a lot of fun to watch itevolve and grow.

(01:33:57):
I know it's been reallyinfluential, really helpful for
me in the last like month or sowhen I've been going through
this process to really reflecton my life through music.
So, yeah, I guess I'm going topump anything.
I'm going to pump this webcastpodcast.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Thank you, thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Put that in the show notes.
Everyone says Ben.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Ben says You've got to check out the episodes and
watch it.
I'll spread the word.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Oh man, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, thank you, ben.
Thank you, like Carolina said,this was great.
Thank you for trusting us withyour story and you know all of
that.
Yeah, really really good.
So, folks out there, you heardit from Ben, it's a good
experience, you know.
Yes, apprehension beforehand,but, like most good endeavors,

(01:34:51):
if you have that apprehension ornervousness beforehand, it's a
sign you're doing something good.
So, yeah, definitely come on ifwe ask, because it's good, like
and subscribe, spread the word.
You know we want to get topeople that you know would enjoy
this and would benefit fromhearing.

(01:35:11):
So if you know of someone inyour life who you think could be
, you know could benefit fromhearing these stories and maybe
thinking about their own life inthis way, you know, let them
know.
We will see you next time.

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