Urban Legend (1998)

The Steves discuss the 1998 horror slasher Urban Legend, along with their favorite urban legends. 

Topics discussed include

• Urban legends growing up
• Names and numbers behind the scenes
• Our theories on the killer the first go around
• Why is the killer so overdressed?
• What constitutes playing Bloody Mary and when does it cross Stephen's line?
• And many more urban legends, like the babysitter in the attic, pop rocks and soda, flashing your headlights, just to name a few!

Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.

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Episode Transcript

Steve (00:02):
Hello, returning Happys and new listeners.
This is Steve Bennett Martin.
And this is

Stephen (00:07):
Steven Martin Bennett, and welcome to a lifetime of
happiness.

Steve (00:10):
The podcast where we take you on our journey through some
of the movies, shows and otherbits of pop culture that are
helping to keep us happy willhopefully bring a smile to your
face along the way.

Stephen (00:19):
And we're spending the rest of July covering one of my
favorite horror trilogies, urbanLegends.

Steve (00:25):
Oh, I know this one.
This is the one about the urbanlegends.
That's right, yes.
And why does the trilogy, orespecially the first one, make
you so happy?

Stephen (00:37):
I love that it mixes.
Horror in general with Slashersand the right amount of camp.
And I've been a fan of urbanlegends since I was little, so
this just hits all the rightnotes.

Steve (00:49):
Yeah, I always like involved, like loved hearing
urban legends, like when I waseven younger.
It was like those scary storiesyou tell in the dark books you
would get at the book fairs andthings like that.
Exactly.
Like I've always loved hearingcreepy stories.
And so you add that to like aslasher who done it where like.
At this time, like in the heatof like scream one and two, and
I know what you did last summer,you know there's a good chance

(01:10):
that the killer is someone theyknow or someone we met or have
seen before and they're mixinglike these fun urban legends
that you've heard about.
So like, what, what could gowrong?
It's awesome.
Yes.
What was your favorite urbanlegend growing up?
So I've always

Stephen (01:25):
loved the bloody Mary one whether you say it three
times or five times, saying hername in the dark while looking
in her mirror.
And she'll appear to you.
I will be honest that I've neverdone it personally enough times
to make it count.
Just like we don't say candymanthree times in this house, it's

(01:45):
best to keep both of their namesout of our mouths.

Steve (01:48):
Yes.
Now, one of my favorite thingsabout urban legends is like,
like most, they're basicallyfolklore.
There's a lesson or like atakeaway for it.
And I love that, like,especially like a lot of times,
like we take very specificdifferent takeaways than maybe
the intended purpose was, orlike, make rules around it that
you don't normally hear.
And like the main thing, likefor you, for you, does it need
to be in front of a mirror thatyou can't do it?

(02:11):
Could I do it right now on thispodcast in which you'd be
comfortable with it?

Stephen (02:15):
I, I'll stop you right there and not comfortable.
Okay.
I've always heard that it was infront of a mirror.
I don't have a desire to test itout.
Okay.
So

Steve (02:23):
just saying No, and I know, and I, I knew better than
to say it once or twice than tostart your counting.
But do you also think that thoseare words where it has to be
said consecutively, like, or ifduring a conversation, if you
mention the new three times andmaybe three sentences,

Stephen (02:38):
I think that would count it.
Don't think it has to be in arow, but it couldn't be like,
You say it once now, once, threehours from now and once four
hours from then.
I don't think that would count,but like

Steve (02:51):
I.
Well, I, I hope we don't, but Ihope we don't reference her two
more times during this episodebecause it's gonna come up.
So just be, let's be carefulabout what happens, listeners.
I think

Stephen (03:00):
it's all about intention.

Steve (03:02):
Okay.
There we go.
All

Stephen (03:04):
right.
And what about you?
What's your favorite?

Steve (03:06):
The babysitter and the stranger upstairs?
Like when a stranger calls, Ilike knew of, of this legend or
like the story like back when Iwas babysitting and in the age
of landlines and when I wouldlike be babysitting the three
kids up the street and like thephone would ring, I was always
afraid like of like who it waslike I didn't want to answer it.

(03:27):
I was afraid the call was comingfrom inside the house and I was
gonna get murdered and this wasthe aunt and say goodbye to all
my friends and loved ones.

Stephen (03:33):
Well, you didn't grow like I grew up in an age before.
Caller Id.
Well,

Steve (03:39):
and, but like the thing is with caller Id, like, I
didn't know at this that theirhouse, the names that were
showing up, it was likegibberish to me.
Well, I guess that's true too.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Like I, and then I also justlove and I like always thought
it was a creepy story, but thenyou throw in the fact that when
we did the research for like theorigins behind it when we did
the, our Stranger, when aStranger Calls episode, it just

(04:01):
made my love for it evenmultiply

Stephen (04:03):
now.
Urban Legend is a 1998 slasherfilm directed by Jamie Blanks,
written by Sylvia Horta,starring Jared Leto, Alicia
Witt, Rebecca Gehart, Tara Reed,and Michael Rosenbaum.

Steve (04:20):
Blancs also did 2000 ones Valentine, while is best known
for adopting the Columbiantelenovela into the ABC series
that you love so much.
Ugly

Stephen (04:30):
Betty?
Yes.
Now Valentine, is that the onewhere Angel.
Is in it with, I don't

Steve (04:35):
think this, the baby face.
I don't think so.
Wasn't that my bloody Valentine?
No, that's different.

Stephen (04:41):
That's the one with Jared Padalecki.

Steve (04:42):
Okay.
Then this one, it must have beenthe one with him.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I didn't research.
So it's

Stephen (04:47):
a very interesting cast.
I mean, we have Jared Leto whoa-list actor these days.
Yeah.

Steve (04:54):
Alicia, back when he was little on the

Stephen (04:56):
baby.
Yep.
Alicia Whitt, who is main, moreknown as a comedic actress.
Tara Reed who fell ill to thepaparazzi during the Brittany
Paris Nicole era.
Michael Rosenbaum, that was onSmallville.
I believe he was Lex Luther.

(05:16):
Yeah.
And my favorite person on thelist, Rebecca Gay Hart, who I
always used to think was themost beautiful woman on
television when she was on 9 0 210.
Yeah.
And.
Gorgeous, naturally curly hairlike that and her performance in
this movie.
Is everything and we'll get intothat

Steve (05:36):
later.
Yes, for sure.
I know that just like Brittanyand Paris and Nicole, I've
always been a big likecheerleader for Tara Reid and
always want the best for her.
But as much as I love Tara Reidin this role, and I don't think
she did a bad job, which we can,and she does not, which, okay,
we can debate that later, butlike she did a really good job

(05:57):
and I love everything she does.
I do love the f alternateuniverse where Sarah Michelle
Geller, in fact, was originallyaccepted the role of Sasha in
real life, but had to back outdue to scheduling conflicts with
Buffy.
So I would've loved where likethe scheduling worked out in
this alternate universe and wegot Buffy in it.
Yes.

Stephen (06:16):
Now I, I completely agree.
Tara Reed does not do a bad job.
I think she.
This is probably one my favoriteTara Reed role ever.
Yeah.
But I would've loved to haveseen what Sarah Michelle Geller
did.
With the role of Sasha, becauseI

Steve (06:32):
think it could have been huge for her career because one
of the, like she shows range ofso many different things on
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, butlike the one thing that she
never really is, is like thefoul mouth inappropriate college
growth.
Yes, I know.
And I feel like it could havelike broken.
Into her, into like more rolesat the time.
Not that she isn't doingfabulous for herself in her

(06:52):
life, but like I feel like itcould have opened some doors for
her getting an opportunity tosee that she could make like
fellatio and semen jokes andlike that, like, and she's not
just like pure here, heroicBuffy.
And this would've been

Stephen (07:06):
five or six months before Cruel Intentions came out
because they came out my, theyboth came out my freshman year
of college.

Steve (07:15):
Yep.
All right, and the film Co-starstwo of Hollywood's most iconic
horror movie, slashers.
We have Brad Dorff who portraysChucky in the child's play
films, and

Stephen (07:27):
Robert England, who everyone knows as Freddie
Krueger from The Nightmare onElm Street Films.
Both show up here and we willpoint them

Steve (07:34):
out.
Yes.
Now with the budget of just 14million, it was released on your
birthday, September 25th, 1998.
Not the year he was born.
No.
I was 19 years old and he, itreached a box office of 72.5
million Holy cow.
For a horror movie that is verysuccessful and it led to two
sequels that will be continuingover the coming weeks.

(07:55):
So

Stephen (07:56):
mom and dad came up to WVU for the weekend.
And took Monika and I out todinner in a movie to see this on
my birthday and it was a goodbirthday.
Then

Steve (08:08):
this movie birthday, it was, does not

Stephen (08:09):
disappoint.
It does not, and I remember I.
How good of a time that we hadwith it and I think we went back
to see it as a group later

Steve (08:19):
on.
Yeah.
I mean, this made your favoritelist a couple different ways.
Yes.
But it also has your favoriteintro ever, huh?
Oh, so let's get into it.

Stephen (08:28):
On a dark and stormy night.
A young woman named MichelleMancini is driving her SUV
listening to a college campusradio DJ sex talk radio show
with a caller saying that sheswaps out her roommate's birth
control with aspirin, and nowthe roommate is pregnant.
Whoops.
After nearly colliding withanother car, she puts in a tape.

(08:52):
Yeah, we're that old and she'ssinging the turn around.
Every now and then I get alittle bit and from total
eclipse of the heart which willbe.
A little more ironic in a bit,and she realizes that she's
almost out of gas and pulls intothe nearest gas station, which

(09:12):
if she had been payingattention, there was a fully
populated gas station.
A little bit ways back, but shepulls into a creepy looking
rundown place in the middle ofnowhere.
What

Steve (09:22):
can go wrong?
But before we jump into that,like, because part of the fun of
this movie is all the differenturban legends.
Did you ever hear the onegrowing up or have like someone
say that they heard of someonewho got pregnant because their
birth control was swapped outwith aspirin?
Because like I remember hearing,like not realizing before this
movie that that was a thing likethat.
Like I have

Stephen (09:42):
never ever heard that before in my life.
Yeah.
Like

Steve (09:45):
I, I, I do remember like, well I heard that so and so got
pregnant because like, so like,cuz they were swapping out her,
like she thought she was takingbirth control, but it was just
sugar pills.

Stephen (09:55):
Yeah.
I have never heard that.

Steve (09:57):
All right.
Well I don't think it everactually happened.
Probably, or maybe it did.
Who knows?
It

Stephen (10:02):
happens on soap operas where someone switches out their
own birth control pills.
Oh, okay.

Steve (10:08):
Oh, they did that on revenge.
I remember there was, I guess.
Yep, yep.
Anyway, back to the

Stephen (10:13):
movie.
Luckily it's 1998, so gas isonly a dollar 15 a gallon.
What the fuck happened to us?
Oh yeah.
Gas used to be so cheap.
When I first got my car, Iremember it was less than a
dollar at one point.
I

Steve (10:26):
have no memories of those low numbers.
Oh,

Stephen (10:29):
like getting, filling up your tank for$10.
Wow.

Steve (10:33):
I can't imagine.

Stephen (10:35):
So the strange looking gas attendant Yes.
Whose stutter hides the factthat his voice might remind you
of a killer doll we all love.
Yes.
That's Brad Dora from the Chuckymovies offers to fill up her car
and Michelle, because it'sraining and she's creeped out
barely opens her window andpushes her credit card out to
pay for it.

(10:55):
As he's filling up the tank, helooks in the back of the car.
After a minute, the attendantcome back, comes back out and
convinces Michelle that hercredit card isn't working and
the credit card company wants tospeak with her on the phone, so
she needs to come into thestore.
However, when she gets insidethe gas station and he's locking
the door, she picks up the phoneand she hears, eh, and she

(11:17):
freaks out.
There's no one on the otherline.
The attendant approaches her andis, is excitedly stuttering, but
he can't say anything clearly.
She's freaked out.
She grabs.
Pepper spare and Mace puts itright in his eyes, breaks the
window, runs back out to herSUV, and speeds away while the
gas station attendant is runningafter finally gets his breath

(11:40):
and yells there's someone in theback seat on the road.
Michelle relaxes a little bit asshe's singing.
Every now and then I fall apart.
And someone sits up in thebackseat and swings and acts at
her, and she literally fallsapart as it takes

Steve (11:57):
off her head.
That is very funny andcompletely changes the way that
you handle entering cars now,huh?
Oh, no.
I

Stephen (12:05):
have actually always checked my backseat because that
was an urban legend from beforethen, because you would hear the
story.
Of the person driving along andthis person's getting up close
and they're flashing their highbeams at her every so often, and
she's getting scared and she'sdriving faster and she's trying

(12:26):
to get home and they keep goingand they keep flashing their
high beams at her and she getsinto her house and she's running
for the inside of her house andthe person gets out of the car
behind her that had followed herall the way home.
And he's like, call the police.
There's someone in yourbackseat.
Oh no.
And they're, they find someonethere and they had had a knife

(12:47):
and they were going to killthem.
And the guy behind her had seenthe person lean up every time,
and every time he would get up,he would flash the lights
knowing that she would turnaround and so the person in the
backseat would duck back downagain.
So ever since reading that as achild and driving alone at
night, I.
Always, always checked thebackseat of my car and if for

(13:09):
some reason I was driving aloneat night and I forgot to check,
I would reach into my backseatwith my right arm and move it
around really fast.
Checking for a body prepared topull over and make a run for it.

Steve (13:22):
Yes, now I understand.
Quite easily how you were ableto train me to check my backseat
before driving.
But curious, how did you trainour dog to check the backseat
whenever he enters the vehicle?
He's just a very good boybecause he does that.
The first thing he does is heabsolutely does, pops in the
front seat and then checks inthe back seat.
Anyone there?
Okay.
No, it's okay.

(13:42):
Yeah.
He

Stephen (13:43):
always does.
I wish I could take credit forthat, but he's just a very good
boy.
There

Steve (13:48):
we go.
And my, I play devil's advocateand say that if this young lady
was only more understanding ofindividuals with disabilities
and speech impediments, shemight not have been askeded.

Stephen (13:58):
That's a life lesson for all, for all of our
listeners out there.
There you

Steve (14:02):
go.
That same night, Sasha iswrapping up her broadcast with a
caller, worried about the semenshe swallowed, being alive and
swimming inside her and girl.
We have been there.
Luckily, Sasha thanks her forher choice of sexual activity
because the world is not readyfor someone that dumb to
reproduce.
And Sasha has the sage advice tostay away from the volcano
before it erupts.
And might I add it helps whenthe volcano goes off in the

(14:24):
shower.

Stephen (14:31):
Do you have a question to go with that?

Steve (14:32):
Yes.
Being in college at the time,I'm just wondering cuz I heard
about it later on in highschool, like was there the urban
legend of the girl swallowingtoo much semen?
She needed to get her stomachpumped.
So

Stephen (14:43):
n no.
But when I was like 10 or 11years old and new kids on the
block was at its height.
There was an urban legend goingaround that Joey from New Kids
on the block had to go to thehospital and have a stomach
pumped, and they pulled out anentire gallon of semen.
Yeah.

Steve (14:58):
So something along this lines.
Yeah, I love that idea.
I don't think that that's how itworks.
That's too much semen.
Yeah.
All right.
Now meanwhile,

Stephen (15:08):
Inside a coffee shop lounge at Pendleton University
College student, Parker Riley istelling the story of the Stanley
Hall massacre from 25 years agothere at Pendleton, where a
professor goes crazy, grabs ahunting knife, went door to door
at Stanley Hall, knocking andkilling anyone who answers.
The professor killed an entirefloor before he offed himself.

(15:31):
Thus the annual Stanley Hallmassacre

Steve (15:34):
frat party.
By not celebrate a massacre thatmay or may not have happened.
Of

Stephen (15:39):
course, two of the students, Natalie and Brenda,
listen with skepticism.
Paul Gardner, a pompous collegereporter, joins the group and
SNES at Paul's yarn saying it'sthe same bullshit story you hear
on every college campus in thenortheast.
Natalie chimes in saying, yeah.
Where's the proof?
Brenda, though is obviouslyattracted to Paul.
Yes.

(15:59):
By Paul.

Steve (16:00):
Now, did you your college have any urban legends?
Cuz I don't know of my collegehaving any.
We did,

Stephen (16:05):
there was the Sunnyside Strangler you would hear about.
Who's that?
It, no one knew.
It was just the person, like youdon't walk alone home at night.
Especially through Sunnyside,because years ago there was the
Sunnyside Strangler that wouldchoke people out until they
died.
And so that was always fun.

(16:26):
When we actually moved toSunnyside section of Morgantown,
we drove home.

Steve (16:31):
Yes.
Now Natalie and Brenda walkedtowards the closed down Stanley
Hall dorm building where Brendasuggests they chant bloody Mary
as a hoot.
Yeah.
Right after they finished, Damonscares them.
Natalie and Brenda split upwhere Natalie goes home to her
dorm room where she interruptsher goth roommate Tosh, having
sex with a goth guy.

(16:52):
Natalie has to listen to musicthrough headphones to drown out
the noise so that she can sleep.
Now, question.
Go.
We already talked about bloodyMary A.
Little bit, but would you ever,being that the legend revolves
around being around the mirror,would you say it in front of a
haunted area where a massacrehappened?
No.
That's

Stephen (17:08):
worse.
That is worse.
I mean, there's already thatmuch activity in a haunted place
like that.
Don't test the spirits people.
That is my advice from me toyou.
Don't antagonize the ghosts.

Steve (17:24):
Yes.
Another learned lesson that weprovide on this podcast.
Yes.
Now, while Natalie is Tasha'sroommate here in real life,
Danielle Harris, who plays Toshand Tara Reed, who plays Sasha,
have been roommates before theyshot the film, which is funny
how Hollywood works.

Stephen (17:39):
I know.
And Danielle Harris.
A lot of people remind her aslittle Jamie Lloyd from
Halloween four and five.

Steve (17:46):
Oh, yes.
Now what was your collegeroommate experience like?

Stephen (17:51):
My the only bad roommate I had was freshman
year, sophomore and junior yearwas my best friend growing up.
Jay Kauf, never.
He was a great roommate.
Senior year, Lori Jorgensen,also amazing roommate.
Once I was gay, it was a loteasier to have a female
roommate.
Yeah.
My freshman year roommate, Idon't even remember his name

(18:12):
right now, I'm sure if I tried,doesn't matter though.
He was awful.
I remember having to take him tourgent care because he got
stoned at six 30 in the morningon a Saturday.
And spilled the boiling waterfrom Easy Mac on his toes to the
point that they immediatelyblistered up and he couldn't

(18:37):
walk.
And there was the time where ohGod, there's so many things.
He was just bad.
Aw.

Steve (18:44):
What about you?
My college, my freshman collegeroommate, and I did our best to
find some sort of common groundwhere our personalities clicked
and we could.
Bond and become friends.
And we spent probably the entirefirst, like trimester I think we
had, or like the first quarteror whatever, like trying to be

(19:05):
friends and it just, we hadnothing in common with one
another.
So like ultimately, like we leftthe experience with like a
mutual respect of learning howto cohabitate a space.
But there were times where likethere was no point even like,
After winter break, like tryingto have conversations unless it
was like planning logistics,just, and like there was no
malice, no hate, no resentmenteither way, but there was just,

(19:25):
we had nothing in common to talkabout.
Yep.

Stephen (19:27):
Pretty much we weren't in the room at the same time
except for sleep.
We didn't.
Have an antagonisticrelationship.
Yeah.
We said goodbye at the end ofthe year.
I never saw him again.

Steve (19:39):
Yeah.
Now, the next day in class,professor William Wexler, who
left his red and green sweaterat home so he could visit your
nightmares later, is discussingfolklore and urban legends like
your fav with like my favorite,the babysitter and the stranger
upstairs.
After Brenda declines eating poprocks and then drinking soda,
because the story of Mikey fromthe cereal commercials who did

(20:01):
it, and his stomach explodedeverywhere.
Damon walks up to the front ofthe class, improves, it's just
an urban legend, but then Fein'sgoing into a seizure and playing
dead.
Much to the annoyance of Wexlerand the amusement of his friends
and me.
So

Stephen (20:15):
when I first saw this and that happened in the movie,
and he starts doing that, I waslike, oh.
Oh my God.
It's real.
Like it totally tricked me as anaudience member.

Steve (20:27):
See, and like I knew it wasn't real, but I was like,
maybe they poisoned the

Stephen (20:30):
soda or something.
And I thought of that too.
I was like, maybe there wassomething

Steve (20:33):
wrong with the pop rats.
Yeah.
But no, he was just being anasshole teen, which was
forgivable cuz it was cute andfunny.
So I love

Stephen (20:39):
when Professor Wexler says that the cultural
admonition of the legend isyoung women, mind your children
or harm will come your way.
And Brenda says, maybe thecultural admonition is.
Don't

Steve (20:53):
babysit.
I like Brenda's answer better.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Meanwhile I remember this urbanlegend growing up about how your
stomach would explode, but Iconvinced, I don't know where I
got this from, but like howtakeaways from urban legends can
be funny.
I remember the urban legendrevolving around regular Coke
Uhhuh, and so I thought thatessence, at the time I was a

(21:13):
Pepsi family and I only drankDiet Pepsi, that it wouldn't
have the same chemical reaction.
So I would have no problem likegoing to the candy store and
having pop rocks and soda andbeing like, it's okay.
It's Diet Pepsi.

Stephen (21:25):
And I had stopped eating pop rocks by the time
that I.
Heard the urban legend of thestomach

Steve (21:31):
exploding.
Yeah.
And speaking of Pepsi fun story.
This scene is one of the firstmovies to show off the, at the
time New Blue Pepsi can thatlaunched that year.
And nowadays it's pretty muchthe standard standard color.
Prior to this cans were mostlywhitish silver with Reddit and
blue stripes giving off a verylike, patriotic vibe of course.

(21:52):
So I can see like the shift tothe blue can probably helped
with their international sales,I would imagine.
Yeah.
But yeah, I really like the BlueKing, but that's also my
favorite color.
So more blue is alwaysappropriate for branding and
marketing.

Stephen (22:04):
Later that day.
Reese head of security isconfiscating newspapers
detailing Michelle Mancini'sdeath.
Paul tries to stop them, butDean Adams stops him and says
that there is no killer oncampus and the only crazy person
on campus is

Steve (22:20):
Paul.
Yes.
I mean, has there ever been ahorror movie where concern young
adults go to the authorities whotake them seriously and come to
their aid?
No.

Stephen (22:28):
As we saw on the original slasher Black
Christmas, the cops are neverinclined to believe the students
adults

Steve (22:36):
suck.
Yep.
As adults now, it's unfortunate.
Now, Natalie, Brenda, PaulParker, Sasha and Dana meet at a
coffee shop where they discussedthe murder.
I never had a group of friendsthis big, and it just seems very
confusing.
Natalie claims not to know themurder victims, but she has in
her possession of high schoolyearbook, which shows that
Natalie and Michelle werecaptains of their cheerleading

(22:58):
squad.
Dun, dun, dun.
We learn this in her dorm roomafter she and Tash have a fight
over using the landline for themodem or the phone.
And boy do I not miss thenineties technology limitations.
Damon arrives at Natalie's dormroom to console her and takes
her someplace in his car totalk.

Stephen (23:18):
One of like, I've never seen the show before, but, so
when Joshua Jackson Damon crankshis car before he takes Natalie
to that special spot in thewoods, when it first comes on,
the radio plays Paula Holes.
I don't wanna Wait.
Which is the theme song fromDawson's Creek, which also
starred Joshua Jackson.

(23:39):
I didn't watch the show, but Iknew the reference and the whole
theater thought it

Steve (23:43):
was hysterical.
Yeah.
I think that like, yeah, anyoneat the time knew of the, I don't
wanna wait for Boston's Creek,and I thought that that was very
funny that they included it.
There's like, like a couplereferences towards the actors,
which I really think is clever.
Yeah.
Now, I mean, you must have atsome point had dial up internet,
right?

Stephen (24:00):
Oh, in college, once I was out of the dorm.
So in the dorm you had perfect.
Cable internet.
In my apartments though, I haddial up internet the whole time
and I remembered being enviousof the kids who had cable
internet because, you know,being able to use the phone and
be on the computer, oh, my, orhave two people be on the

(24:23):
computer at the same time.
Could you

Steve (24:25):
imagine what life would be like with that?
Oh, I love today.
Yeah.
I mean, I wish the world wasn'ton fire, but I like the
technology.

Stephen (24:34):
After driving to a secluded part of the nearby
woods, Damon tries to sympathizewith Natalie saying that he had
a girlfriend that died afterbeing sick with a syndrome.
And Natalie catches on and he ismaking up the story to get in
her pants, though Damon Damonsays that she's in need of
loving.
Mm-hmm.
And he's just the man to do it.

(24:54):
Natalie becomes angry anddemands that Damon take her
home.
He goes to make a move and shepunches him in the eye and he
says, you don't have to act likesuch a bitch.
Oh, trust me.
It's not an act.
He exits the car to, you know,answer the call of nature when
someone attacks him with a rope.
When Natalie's done waiting forhim and goes to check on him,

(25:16):
the killer, wearing a heavyhooded, winter overcoat attacks
her.
As she tries to drive away,Damon tied to a rope attached to
the bumper.
Hoisted through a tree is likehanging from the tree.
His feet dangling on the cartrying to get traction.
It's not working like his toesbarely scraped the top and he's

(25:39):
being choked to death.
So she finally guns it, whichpulls him further up into the
tree and she can't get away, andthe hooded killers after it.
And then she reverses and thatlets Damon fall all the way
down.
And he crashes through thewindow.
She screams, jumps out of thecar and runs all the way back to
campus security to tell Reeseabout the killing.

(26:01):
But when they arrived back atthe scene, the body and Damon's
car.
Are

Steve (26:06):
all gone now.
Is there any sort of way thatyou could experience that in
real life and then logicyourself because cops and
everything told you afterwardsthat you imagined it or it was a
prank?
No, no.
She seems to try and want toalmost, I.
Maybe go along with it for aminute, but I'm not as also
familiar with the origin of thisurban legend they're
referencing.
How does it go?

(26:26):
So there are two similar

Stephen (26:28):
ones.
There's this one where there's acouple in the car and one of the
persons suspended above it withtheir fingers and it's their
hands scraping.
But the more popular one thatpeople hear about is the couple
that goes out to Lookout Point.
You know, that popular spot inall the towns where people go
and make out.

(26:48):
Anyway, the couples out thereand they hear an announcement on
the radio about a crazed lunaticwith a hook for a hand who was
escaped from a mental hospital.
They hear scraping along the carand the girl convinces her
boyfriend to drive her home.
When he gets her home and walksaround to her side to open her
car door, he finds a metal hookattached to the door handle.
The killer had been just aboutto open the door and get the

(27:11):
girl before they drove away.
So that's the one I'm morefamiliar with.
The, the scraping on the top ofthe hood.

Steve (27:18):
Both.
Very cool.
Yes.
Now, the next day after failingto locate Damon Natalie's
friends or skeptic of her claimsof a murder, And then he's just
joking around, which is why younever play pranks.
People will think you'reserious.
And

Stephen (27:32):
also he had told others that he was going up to
Killington, I think forsnowboarding.
Mm-hmm.
With some people.
So you know, not only is he apractical joker, but also he had
already told people he is gonnabe outta town.
So, Natalie, you're justoverreacting.
Yeah.

Steve (27:50):
Plus, during the conversation they catch on that
these stories are referencingurban legends between what
happened with Natalie lastnight, as well as the, the
person being in the car.
Mm-hmm.
Being ax to death.
And so she goes to the libraryto research urban legends by
reading a book titled TheEncyclopedia of Urban Legends,
which I don't, does not exist.

(28:11):
I was about to say, I wish itdid.
And she's helped by Sasha togive her a little bit more
screen time.
Yeah.
They see the story of theperson, the book with the
backseat of the car, as well asthe the high beam initiation for
the gangs.
Damon was the last person tocheck out the book, which leads
to more theories.

Stephen (28:29):
Yep.
And so after this movie, I triedto find the Encyclopedia of
Urban Legends.
As this was the time beforeAmazon was around.
All I had were Walden books andBarnes and Noble as my only
help, and they had nothing.

Steve (28:44):
I love Amazon.
Yeah.

Stephen (28:47):
Yeah.
Nowadays you could probably typein Encyclopedia of Urban Legends
and 16 different options wouldshow up at Barnes and Noble and
Walden books.
They're like, we don't haveanything.
It's not even anything we canorder.
And I was like, that stink.
Do you have anything on urbanlegends?
We have like scary story.
No,

Steve (29:06):
no, thank you.
Yeah.
Now while Natalie's in thelibrary, Tash meets a fellow
goth guy online.
I plan to meet.
Well, Natalie's in the library.
Tasha is chatting with a fellowgoth guy online and they're
planning to meet up.
She goes to get ready whileasking him where he is so she
can meet up with him after shefixes her lipstick, which seems

(29:28):
counterproductive for whatthey're about to do.
But anyway, when she returnsfrom the bathroom to get ready
for the date, the killers replyonline was in your room.
In your room, and he is.
Waiting in her room.
Yep.
And he starts to kill her.
Natalie walks into the room andassumes that the noises and the
struggle are toh having sexagain.
The killer pulls out theelectrical plugs for the lights

(29:50):
in the room, and Natalie goes tobed not realizing that Tasha is
being strangled to death, butinstead having the world's
strangest orgasm.
The next morning, Nalia wakes upto see her roommate dead from
slash wrists, and a message leftby the killer, written on the
wall in blood saying, aren't youglad you didn't turn on the
lights?
Now rest in peace.
Tosh.
Yeah.
Danielle Harris was a smoker atthe time and thrilled to be

(30:14):
allowed to smoke while working.
However, she quickly realizedthat when all she has to do is
shoot scenes of smoking all daylong, that meant that she would
have to smoke cigarettes allday.
Long, long, and she eventuallygot sick of it and afterwards
quit smoking.
Now, is it just as easily asit's summed up here or is there

(30:35):
like the urban legend of

Stephen (30:37):
Nope.
There.
There are urban legends withthis and there's two versions of
this.
One.
They're very similar.
Go for it.
So we have two roommates, a bigtest the next day and one girl A
stays home to study while girl Bgoes to a party.
Girl B gets home very late fromthe party and quietly goes to
bed trying not to wake up girl Awho had fallen asleep studying.

(31:00):
So we think, or in the otherversion we have girl B who goes
to the library to study.
Girl A decides to stay home.
And when girl B gets home fromthe library very late, she goes
to bed quietly as to not wake upgirl A in all the stories, girl
B wakes up and finds that thatgirl A is dead and a bloody note

(31:23):
on the wall.
Aren't you glad you didn't turnon the lights?
So, Yeah, it's all about womenthat live alone and stay

Steve (31:32):
home alone.
Weird.
Now, everyone thinks that Tashacommitted suicide and the
message on the wall was a verymorbid suicide note.
Natalie convinces Paul thatTasha's death was not a suicide,
and they look for evidence aboutthe Stanley Hall massacre, but
they find no evidence becauseall the old newspaper clippings
in the library from 1973 wherethe killings take place are

(31:53):
mysteriously missing.
Natalie and Paul run into thecreepy looking janitor where
they ask him questions aboutStanley Hall massacre and the
janitor tells them he's too busybeing creepy, and they should go
talk to Wexler.
Natalie and Paul sneak intoWexler's office for evidence
rather than talking to himdirectly in her co brought
before Dean Adams.
Paul asks about the Stanley Hallmassacre, but the dean avoids

(32:16):
the question by telling Paulthat he's fired from the school
newspaper and tells both of themto stop investigating something
that never happened.
Adams further tells Natalie thathe knows she has a criminal
record for reckless endangermentand served a year of probation,
and that she is.
To stop investigating the urbanlegends about the Stanley Hall
massacre if she wants to stay inthe college, because rules like

(32:38):
that are definitely used toenforce things that didn't
happen and that they're nothiding things exactly outside.
Paul becomes angry when Nataliecontinues to avoid his questions
about her past that he's notentitled to know at this stage
in their relationship or if sheknew Michelle now.
Yeah, that was a lot.
So while the janitor isn't ahorror icon, like the other two

(32:58):
gentlemen in the cast, it is funthat like when I was like, I
know I've seen him before.
Yeah.
But I couldn't place where it'sbecause it was everywhere doing
like n, like small one line orzero line parts.
Julian Richings is his name, andhe has over 225 I M D B credits,
like starting in like the midnineties, going to today

(33:19):
consistently.

Stephen (33:20):
Good job.
And he's also one of the biggestred herrings in the movie.
Yeah, because he's alwaysaround.
Andy's creepy.

Steve (33:30):
Yes.
Now we know our cast and we havesome plot points at this point.
We have Natalie's past with thevictims, her probation.
We have the Stanley Hallmassacre.
Now, during your first watchthrough, did you have any
theories or suspects?

Stephen (33:45):
Paul, the janitor and Wexler.
I mean, if you're gonna haveFreddie Krueger in a movie,
there's a chance he's thekiller.
Just that in and of itself, thejanitor was creepy and I already
started thinking.
And it was partially to blame ona Gail Weathers theory that I
had had once of, what if Gailwas doing the murders just to

(34:08):
like sell books, sell, like befamous on TV at that point.
And I was like, what if Paul'sdoing this to write the story to
get himself, that studentPulitzer, that he almost won for
the cafeteria?
Food.
Food outbreak thing.
Yeah.

Steve (34:24):
Yes.

Stephen (34:24):
Now what about you?
Did you have any?

Steve (34:27):
I would say that I definitely saw potential for the
Jared Leto character and like atthat time I was like, the love
interest we're due for thattwist.
I, I didn't know so much aboutthe adults.
I was like expecting it to beone of the teens.
I was wondering whether it wasgonna be, I forget his name, the
douche bag boyfriend of Parker.
Parker.
I was thinking maybe like Parkerwould all of a sudden be like a

(34:48):
smart, competent person.
The killer.
So that's what I was thinking atthis time, but we'll see what
happens.
Yeah.
Later Natalie walks into thecampus swimming pool area where
Brenda's doing laps when shethinks she sees the serial
killer approach, but the figurein the winter coat is only a
fellow swimmer, so she threw achair against the glass for no
reason and.
Broke that window.

(35:08):
Yep.
Now in the locker room, NatalieConfines and Brenda, that she
did know Michelle, she tells thestory of how she and Michelle
were out driving one nine on adark road without their car's
headlights on when a passing carflashed them.
And with Michelle driving, theychased down the car, leading to
the car, going off the road andgetting the driver killed.

Stephen (35:28):
Oh, that gang, high beam initiation.

Steve (35:30):
Now I'm with Sasha.
This is why I'm never helpful tostrangers when driving.
It's every vehicle forthemselves out there.
So I

Stephen (35:37):
once pulled up in Cincinnati besides someone at a
red light whose headlights wereout.
I got them to roll down theirwindow even though everybody's
windows were power at the time.
You still do the roll downmotion.
And I said, Your headlightsaren't on.
And I was told to mind my ownfucking business, but they did
at least turn on their lightsbefore they sped away when it

(35:59):
turned green.
Gotta love

Steve (36:00):
people.
Yeah.
I was like, I don't know what itis.
And it happens to me too, butlike when people are behind the
wheel, like most people turninto assholes.
Yeah.
Like the best of human beingsbehind the wheel.
Is a deck.

Stephen (36:14):
Well, that evening, Dean Adams is in the parking
garage, and after having a quickconversation with Reese where he
de dismissed all of her concernsabout bulking up security, the
killer ambushes him by slashinghis Achilles tendon and then
kills him because he starts tocrawl away.
They put his car into gear andlet it roll over him, running

(36:36):
over him and smashing him intothe exit spikes.
Ugh.

Steve (36:42):
Yes.
That and the, the start of thatcomes from the ankle slasher,
urban legend.
Yeah.
Now you told me when we werewatching that this is, What
worries you?
Whenever we're leaving myparents' neighborhood?
Yeah,

Stephen (36:55):
because they have those exit spikes and everything
there.
I'm always nervous about goingover those exit spikes.
Now,

Steve (37:01):
is it because of watching this movie that you're worried
about the tires popping or aboutsomeone be dragging you out of
the car?
Flashing your ankles and thenimpaling you on the spikes.

Stephen (37:11):
Yeah, it's the tires.
I always lock my doors.
Good luck on them dragging meout.

Steve (37:15):
Okay, just checking.
Now at the 25th anniversary,Stanley Hall massacre party that
Parker's throwing a rando tellsSasha about the urban myth of
roller coaster of love, having areal death scream lifted from a
9 1 1 call.
Did you hear that?
Growing up.
No, I didn't.
Me either.
I first time, apparently it'sthe thing.
This movie thing.
Oh, well.
Now Paul arrives with an oldnewspaper article given to him

(37:37):
by the janitor, which tells thatWexler was the sole survivor of
the 1972 Stanley Hall massacreand that he may be responsible
for the killings.
Natalie admits how scared she isand just wonders why someone is
doing this to her.
And in a moment of weakness, shekisses Paul, which Brenda
Witnesses, who leaves in ajealous rage.
Now, have you been in thissituation before?

(37:58):
You the friend, get jealous overa guy choosing you?
Yep.
Okay.
No comment.
No comment.
Okay.

Stephen (38:04):
All right.
So I'm gonna handle this nextone because it's a part that you
don't like.
Yep.
And so you can even cover yourears.
Yep.
Keep going.
A little later during the party,Parker gets a phone call from
the killer.
Parker thinks it's the urbanlegend of the calls coming from
inside the house because it'sthe phone in Damon's room
calling.

(38:24):
And instead he's told about whathas happened to Rudy, his pet
dog.
Something so bad we won'tmention it because Remy is
listening right now.
He runs to a nearby bathroom tothrow up and that's when the
killer attacks him by pouringpop rocks and liquid draino down
his throat through a funnel.

Steve (38:42):
Yes.
And may I please write Con thatthe phone call was inaccurate
and that the dog is a Wi Liveand well, and that was just
pieces of Wexler.

Stephen (38:51):
I absolutely agree.
There is no proof from anythingwe saw on that, that it was
Rudy, thank

Steve (38:58):
goodness.
Now, am I correct as well thatthe Pop Rocks probably had
little to no effect on theefficacy of the death by Drano?
That is correct.
Okay.
Just wanted to clarify forscience.
Yes.
Now while Natalie's trying toreach Paul, who ran off Sasha's,
attacked at the radio station bythe killer who chases her

(39:18):
through the building with anaxe, Natalie hears Sasha
screaming over the radio, whicheveryone else assumes.
It's just a performance bit forthe anniversary of the massacre.
As Sasha runs from the killerand fights for her life harder
than the majority of victims andfinal girls in the genre,
Natalie tries to make it in timeto rescue her.
Every time we watch it, we arecheering and cheering and

(39:39):
cheering for her as she makesit.
She down really tries hallwaysand and floors and.
Elevators, especially

Stephen (39:45):
after she breaks her ankle or something.
I know

Steve (39:48):
she's doing everything she can to survive.
She wants to live and you couldsee it and feel it, which you
don't always see in these roles.
Right, and like her spiritualpredecessor Helen Shivers.
Yes.
Sasha is moments from beingsaved when the killer catches up
to her and access her to death.
Natalie sees the killer, and thekiller does a dainty finger wave

(40:08):
at her.
Meanwhile, researches Wexler'soffice, but finds the floor
cover with blood.
She calls the police, butbecause of a serious
thunderstorm, the roads arewashed out and they're like,
don't worry, it's just blood.
Reece goes off to find thekiller on her own.

Stephen (40:22):
Now this all seems to be happening in.
Late fall, early winter, thatkiller is dressed rather warmly.

Steve (40:32):
Yes.
I mean, I never really noticedit during, because like I just
would tell myself because theykept on telling us throughout
the movie how cold it was.
Right?
That you just had to believethat it was like, Colder than it
appears.
Right.
But it actually, I found inresearching it, it's because the
film was originally set duringthe winter where instead of
being in thunderstorms, therewas gonna be snowstorms and

(40:52):
there was gonna be snow on theground.
And they were limited and beingable to help each other and
connect because of the poorweather.
And they decided though thatmaking fake snow during the time
of year where snow's notnaturally on the ground was just
too much work.
So they got rid of a lot of it,but they kept the killer's
design and some of the.
Comments about how cold

Stephen (41:11):
it was, and I mean, growing up in West Virginia,
that's totally like you wouldthink, oh, living that high up
in the hills and things, it'sgonna snow a lot.
Nope.
Sometimes it was just cold.
Also,

Steve (41:26):
after living in Florida for a decade and going up to New
York in 50 degree evenings, Iwish I was wearing what the
killer was wearing.
I would've been a lot morecomfortable than that, than in
my shorts and my t-shirt Ithought would've been
appropriate for a June trip tothe city.
One would've thought Lessonlearned.

(41:46):
Yeah.
Natalie runs into Paul outsideher dorm room and becomes
suspicious of where he wentduring the time that Sasha was
killed.
They both find Brenda and theydrive off together to look for
help.
Brenda spots a gas station thatthey can use their phone to call
for help.
Yes.
Now, at this point, like youcould tell that all three are
starting to get suspicious ofeach other.

(42:06):
If you were Natalie, whoobviously at this time is our
final girl, who would you betrusting or who would you be
more suspicious of out of Brendaand Paul?

Stephen (42:15):
Paul at that point?
Because at that point shedoesn't really have a reason to
mistrust her friend.
Brenda's done nothing to showany of that where Paul.
Suddenly disappeared, but showsback up again at her dorm of all
places whenever he told her stayat the party, but he's suddenly

(42:36):
at her dorm.
There's no like, yeah.

Steve (42:40):
Yeah, and I mean, and with today's knowledge and
wisdom that I have, I probablywould agree with you, but at
the, at like if I was a collegeSteve, I would've followed the
person who wanted to kiss me andtell me I was pretty, yeah.
More so than my best friendprobably.
Unfortunately.

Stephen (42:55):
Growth.
Yeah.
Well, Paul goes to the phone tocall the police.
Brenda apologizes to Natalie forhow she reacted at the party.
They hug, but then they notice astrange odor coming from the
back.
They exit the vehicle, go aroundto the back of the Jeep, open
the trunk, and they also hear afamiliar ringtone that they all
know coming from it.

(43:16):
They discover the dead andmangled body of Professor Wexler
and assume that it was Paul.
Brenda says, like I said, Youcan have him and they both run
away into the nearby woods.
Brenda trips and falls, butNatalie doesn't realize that she
fell and keeps running.
When she does notice, Brenda isgone.
She calls out for her and wehear Brenda scream, but then we

(43:39):
hear Paul's voice yell forNatalie.
She gets back onto a road andNatalie's picked up by the
creepy janitor.
The janitor sees a car comingwithout its headlights on stupid
kids.
And before Natalie can stop him,he flashes his headlights to
warn the other driver.
But we all know that it's thekiller in Paul's car.

(43:59):
And the killer makes a quickyoui, chases them, doing the
gang high beam initiation onthem.
The janitor loses control of hiscar and they crash the janitor's
bleeding and unconscious.
So Natalie runs away alone back

Steve (44:11):
towards the campus?
Yes.
Now question.
At this point though, Iunderstands the whole urban
legend bit where the flack theyflashed, made the killer turn
around.
Yeah.
But do you think if he didn'tflash that the killer would've
kept on driving?
No, the killer was gonna, yeah,the killer

Stephen (44:26):
was gonna turn no matter what.
Yeah, they needed to kill, but,but it, it made it for a really
good moment.

Steve (44:31):
Yes.
Also, I'm no Scientologist, butwouldn't Wexler's body smell not
as bad?
I mean, it's been like, what, anhour or two?
I mean, I know that they had totake pieces away from him to put
into the microwave, but I mean,what's going on here?
Here when

Stephen (44:46):
a body dies, their bladder and bowels release, they
don't show that in the horrormovies, but all dead bodies in
movies like this would havetheir pants filled with poo poo.
Okay.
So

Steve (44:55):
it's not necessarily they were smelling rotting flesh that
they were probably smellsmelling, smelling as like shit.
They were excrement.
Yep.
Okay, I'll take that.
I like that.
Thank you.
Yep.
Now Natalie returns to thecampus and tries calling for
help on a police phone, but shehears Brenda scream from inside
the abandoned Stanley Hallbuilding where there's a light
on the third floor.
Natalie breaks in and looksaround to find the dead bodies

(45:18):
of Parker, Dean, Adams andDamon.
She finds Brenda lyingmotionless on a bed with a room
lit with hundreds of differentcandles, exhausted and scared.
Natalie sits on the edge of thebed to mourn Brenda's death, but
Brenda sits up and knocksNatalie out.
Waking up later, Natalie findsherself tied to the bed with the
killer standing over her and thehood comes off to reveal.

(45:40):
It's Brenda.

Stephen (45:42):
I totally did not see it being Brenda like at

Steve (45:45):
all, like at all.
Funny story though, the Latinmotto, the university optimist,
Aus Amicus Feast or somethinglike that.
Yeah.
Which you can see on the emblemin some of the scenes translates
as.
The best friend did it

Stephen (46:01):
no longer acting like the casually nice and friendly
girl.
As we've seen through the movie,the Sneering and Wild-Eyed
Brenda explains to Natalie thatthe boy who was killed in the
accident by Michelle and Natalieyears before was actually
Brenda's boyfriend who she wasgoing to marry.
Natalie says, you're fuckingcrazy.
I prefer the term eccentric, butI guess I am a little nutty.

(46:25):
I already tried therapy.
Obviously it didn't mean nogood.
Natalie.
I

Steve (46:30):
know.
I love her when she breaks.
So good.

Stephen (46:34):
Brenda befriended Natalie this whole time to
torment her with these urbanlegend killings as her insane
way of getting even with her, asNatalie killed her boyfriend
with an urban legend as well.
Don't you want to be an urbanlegend, Natalie?
All your friends are now, justas Brenda is about to kill
Natalie by removing her kidneysas the kidney high urban legend,

(46:55):
Reese appears to come toNatalie's rescue.
But Brenda attacks Reese with aknife and wrestles the gun away
from her and shoots Reese in theabdomen.

Steve (47:04):
Yes.
Now, while I'd heard about thewhole date going wrong with the
kidney heist thing, is it weirdthat the lesson that I took away
from that is that kidneys couldbe a good source of income and I
Googled how much I could sell mykidneys for and what the
recovery and life afterwards ofliving with one kidney would
look like.

Stephen (47:22):
No, cuz I've done that too.
And weren't you disappointed inhow little kidneys go for these
days?

Steve (47:27):
How little they go for how difficult it is?
I mean, once it became clear,you can't just walk into a
hospital with two kidneys andleave with one and a big fat
check.
I didn't go through with

Stephen (47:36):
it.
Well, and even if you could findsomebody online, I.
Like it's not enough to turnyour life around.
Yeah.
It's like for what you have togo through, it's

Steve (47:45):
not worth it.
Even when I was in college, Iwas able to understand that and
there was a lot of shit I woulddo for a hundred dollars back
then and

Stephen (47:52):
like, but$30,000 is not worth losing your kidney.
No.

Steve (47:55):
I mean at the time it might have been if it, like, I
would've thought at 18 or 19that it would've been if it was
easy to do as well, but it wasjust too much work.

Stephen (48:04):
Just then Paul appears applauding Brenda for her
revenge plan.
And offers to be a part of it,that he's just gonna need a few
details and he'll always besupportive and appreciative of
her.
Just go ahead and hand me thegun.
Brenda's not fooled.
You're cute, Paul, but you'renot that fucking cute.

(48:26):
But before she can shoot eitherone of them Reese revives, just
in time to shoot Brenda in thearm with the force knocking the
gun out of her hand.
Natalie gets the gun and pointsit at Brenda.
Are you gonna shoot me now?
Natalie, what kind of friend areyou?
And Natalie shoots her and theforest throws her out the window
and maybe potentially, butprobably not dead.

(48:48):
And I always knew Rebecca Gehartwas a good actress, but her
level of camp delivery on thisis just so spectacular.
Like this scene alone.
Like she should get some specialaward for that scene, like the
whole reveal up to the end.

(49:10):
Bravo, Rebecca, gay Hart.
If you ever hear this

Steve (49:15):
clip that's like the, that's like the monologue of a

Stephen (49:16):
lifetime.
Yeah, like Bravo.
I'm so proud of you, fanforever.
Thank you.

Steve (49:24):
Yes.
Now as Paul and Ally aredriving, after getting in touch
and sending paramedics to Reece,they're talking up the new urban
legend.
This story will become as theyponder what the plot test will
be.
Brenda delivers it when she sitsup in the back seat of the car,
now attacks them with an axe inthe same manner she killed
Michelle in the opening scene.
Apparently killing two people atonce with one access by yourself

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in the backseat is a lot harderthan just killing one.
Unsuspecting girl.
Yep.
Paul smashed the car into theguardrail and Brenda flies
through the window in throughthe windshield, off the bridge
into a river.
Far down below, maybepotentially, but probably not to
her death again.
Yeah.
Now that's the end of the movie.
Do you think that Paul andNatalie work out?

Stephen (50:08):
Not even a little bit.
They don't have anything incommon.
This is one of those situationswhere a highly traumatic event
brought two people together.
There is no way that they makeit long term.
They'll end up being, do youthink they,

Steve (50:24):
do you think they'll like bang it out in the post credit
scene?

Stephen (50:26):
Oh yeah.
Like they have sex and they tryto date, but before winter
break, they're done.
They're done.
Yeah.

Steve (50:33):
And hopefully both in.
Therapy.
Yeah.
Now with all these plot points,I mean ultimately the last thing
I remember with the Stanley Hallmassacre was that Wexler like
was the sole survivor.
Yeah.
But like other than that did andlike having it be a good place
to hide the bodies and stage thefinal act.
Did anything come from

Stephen (50:52):
this?
No.
Wexler got a job for lifeteaching whatever he wanted
because of surviving themassacre.
But the massacre itself was justa red herring for us to focus
on, so we wouldn't see thepuzzle pieces pointing to Brenda
the whole time.
Well, it worked for us becausewe were both surprised.
Yep.
Yeah.
So this takes us to anothercollege campus where a group of

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college students are tellingthis story, but saying it
happened right there on theircampus.
One person says, that's justsome bullshit story you hear on
every college campus in theNortheast.
Yeah.
Where's the proof?
The guy telling the story says,does no one believe me?
And one girl says, I believeyou, but you told it wrong.
Here's what really happened.

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And the camera shows us Brendaalive and well.

Steve (51:38):
Yes.
And in this scene, Brenda'sscene wearing a blue ribbon
around her neck at the end, andthis is a vague reference to
another urban legend about agirl whose head falls off if she
removes the blue ribbon aroundher neck.

Stephen (51:49):
And I, that was in one of the scary stories to tell in
the dark books.
And the guy married the girlwith a ribbon.
And he'd always says, why do youwear the ribbon around your
neck?
Why do you, and finally whenthey were old, she took it off
and her head fell off.

Steve (52:03):
Oh, now the students also, I love joke and I bet
Brenda was the girl from theAnima commercials, and

Stephen (52:09):
I love that so much.
And I was the only person in thetheater that got the joke
because Rebecca Gohar was thegirl from the

Steve (52:16):
Noxzema commercials.
Yes.
And now that we know Brenda wasthe killer, let me ask, when
Natalie confessed after theshower situation?
With the guilt?
Yeah.
For what she did.
Do you think Brenda like everreconsidered her plans or was
she too psychotic and far gone?

Stephen (52:32):
I tried.
Therapy obviously didn't workfor me.
Natalie, she was too far gone.
She went, changed to this campusto find her saying that she had
guilt.
Might have been great.
If she had said, I tried to stopher, maybe, but Natalie tells

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the story.
I just sat there.
I didn't say anything I wantedto, but I didn't say anything
that signed her death warrant.
If she had said I tried to stopher, we might have had a
different ending to the movie.

Steve (53:08):
Yeah, it would've been interesting to see like if she
like wavered or thought about itat all.
But either way, I feel like themoment then at least, he's
Parker kissed.
Or the moment that Brendaseason, Natalie Kissing Parker,
it was game over either way.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, we would love to hear whatyou thought of urban legend, the
movie, as well as what yourfavorite urban legend is.
As we get ready to talk aboutthem for the next couple weeks.

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Steve (53:47):
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