July 25, 2023 • 33 mins
The Steves discuss the 2005 supernatural horror film, Urban Legends: Bloody Mary, along with how it caps off the Urban Legends Trilogy.
- Our favorite death scenes
- Names and numbers behind the scene
- The shift from whodunit slashers to supernatural
- Is this an end to a trilogy or a reboot/spin-off?
- And much more!
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
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Steve (00:02):
Hello, returning Happys and new listeners.
This is Steve Bennett Martin.
And this is
Stephen (00:06):
Steven Martin Bennett, and welcome to a lifetime of
Steve (00:09):
happiness.
The podcast where we take you onour journey through some of the
movies, shows, and other bits ofpop culture that are helping to
keep us happy, while hopefullybring a smile to your face along
the way.
And we're
Stephen (00:18):
wrapping up our Urban Legends trilogy with the final
straight to video slasher UrbanLegends.
Three, the
Steve (00:25):
Bloody Mary.
And there is a 50% chance, thisis my first time watching it,
Stephen (00:30):
so I'm pretty sure it's actually a hundred percent
chance.
Steve (00:33):
Yeah, probably yes.
But I mean the biggestdifference between this movie
and the two that we talked aboutpreviously in the last two weeks
is that it's a supernaturalforce here.
Yes.
As someone who loves a goodwhodunit, but also loves a good
ghost story, how do you feel theshift
Stephen (00:48):
works?
I thought it was a fun,interesting way to go about it.
It gave them more leniency whendoing.
Some of the urban legends thatare a little more out there like
the spiders.
Yeah.
Because things like that, it's alittle hard to do with a killer.
Yes.
Yeah.
And this way you could have alittle bit of a, some ghosty
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magic make things happen.
Steve (01:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean I definitely loved partof the fir first two, the
mystery being who is doing it.
Right.
And that's what I love about theScream Franchise being my
favorite horror franchise.
I love.
When you get to find thatmystery and there is I think
something that is missing withthis supernatural force, just it
would be a good movie on itsown, but.
As part of a trilogy.
It's an interesting way to wrapup a third rather than calling
(01:33):
like a reboot or a, a spinoff orsomething different.
Right.
But yes, for those not in theknow Urban Legend, bloody Mary
was released on July 19th, 2005by Sony Pictures Home
Entertainment with a budget of$3.5 million.
And since it was homeentertainment, we estimate
revenue around 6.7 million.
(01:54):
Which could have been worse.
Stephen (01:55):
Exactly.
I mean, there was no.
Marketing with it.
Yeah.
So if that was the budget, thenthey made money off of
Steve (02:03):
it.
Exactly.
It's directed by Mary Lambert,written by Michael Dougherty and
Dan Harris.
And Stars Kate Mara as SamOwens.
Robert Vito as David Owens.
Tina Lipford as Grace Ed Marinoor Marinara.
Marinara Sauce is Bill andMichael KOAs Bach.
Stephen (02:21):
Now the creative team is new to the franchise.
Anybody that is familiar withBrian Singer's movies will know
dirty and Harris because hehelped with X-Men Godzilla and
that horrible Superman movie.
Steve (02:36):
Yes.
And as for the actors andactresses, I recognize Kate Mara
right away.
She's always a joy, but I don'tthink I know any of these other
people.
So I
Stephen (02:45):
knew Tina Lipford.
She plays Grace in this movie.
She looked familiar.
Yeah, she is spectacular inQueen Sugar as Aunt Violet.
And Ed Marro, I remember fromgrowing up, he plays Bill in
this and he was big in theeighties on tv.
He was one of the stars of HillStreet Blues, which was the
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biggest cop show at the time.
Gotcha.
Steve (03:08):
Alright.
Can't believe I missed it.
Alright.
It's probably because it'sbefore my time.
You weren't born.
Yes.
Yes.
So the movie starts in 1969.
Ooh.
69.
Three high school footballplayers try to drug and kidnap
their prom night dates becausehow else do you to celebrate
prom when the after party's beencalled off while their plan
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works with two of the girls.
The third Mary Banner, who nevertook her drink that was roofed,
tries to escape.
The football captain Williechases her through the school
and into a storage room where hepunches her so hard.
She's knocked out and bleedingfrom her head.
He believes her to be dead, sohe hides her body in the trunk
in the back and tells his friendthat she got away and to keep
looking for her.
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Now I love like how it's a quicksetup.
Yeah.
But I am very confused over theintention of drugging and
kidnapping misfits at prom.
Stephen (04:02):
I mean, the movie Carrie Yeah.
Is all about, but that
Steve (04:06):
you like publicly humiliate her like it's bad
intentions, but it's,
Stephen (04:12):
it's gonna be the same thing.
They're supposed to leave themout in the middle of nowhere and
then teach them that misfitswill never be accepted.
I mean, as they were goingoutside, you saw the prom queen
who was.
Willie's yeah, girlfriend saylike he would ever be with
somebody like you and, you know,being nasty and awful, so, yeah.
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They were just being meanteenagers.
Steve (04:40):
I don't know.
I just feel like if it involveddriving 20 minutes out of the
way just to drop them off, likeI would've at least like peed on
them or something.
Like, well, I mean, if youthink, and I mean at the time I,
I'm surprised that there wasn'tlike date rape involved because,
I mean, well,
Stephen (04:55):
they wouldn't have thought that these girls were
Steve (04:57):
worth it.
Well, I don't know.
It just seems like a weirdprank.
But anyway, as far as urbanmyths or legends go, how does
this story of the, the.
Mary Banner death.
So
Stephen (05:08):
there have been many a story of someone who goes
missing in high school and neverturns up people think she died
or maybe her ghost haunts theschool.
Because of when all thosestories allegedly took place,
you know, it's pre-internettime.
Mm-hmm.
And so the Internet's nothelpful in searches compared to
now.
So those stories are able toexist.
(05:30):
Like this, you know, 1969Internet's not gonna be, so
somebody can say whatever andyou can't Google and like back
check.
Yeah, yeah.
Steve (05:39):
There's no Googling.
Yes.
Now, 30 years later, the story'stold among three school girls
during a sleepover, one of themSamantha had written an article
in the school paper critical ofthe football players academic
achievements or lack thereof.
Yep.
And subsequently, she, herfriends and her brother David,
are being treated as outcast bythe rest of the school.
They jokingly conjure bloodyMary after one hell of a pure
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pillow fight, and I was thrownoff for even Sure did they
summon bloody Mary because theydid the, they didn't mention the
mirror in the, the legend, butis it just that they
Stephen (06:11):
did mention the mirror in the legend, so they didn't
really summon, so no, I don'tthink that they ended up
conjuring her.
I think that it was more thatwhat happens next?
Awakened the spirit of MaryBanner.
I think it's just a coincidenceand they used it for a plot
device in the movie.
It's kind of sloppy writing.
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Like if they had had the girlsgo into the downstairs bathroom
and do it there, and it might bemore believable, but laying on
your back on pillows andsleeping bags and staring at the
ceiling, I don't think is theproper way.
To Conjure
Steve (06:49):
Bloody Mary.
Okay, good.
And hopefully not saying BloodyMary's name a whole bunch.
When you're doing a podcastepisode with a movie and its
title, I think it's all aboutintention.
There we go.
And the next morning, David andhis mom find the girls have gone
missing only for Sam to walk inthe front door three days later,
mostly unharmed claiming theywoke up in an old deserted mill
on the other side of the statepark.
Apparently drugged with noknowledge of how they got there.
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The door was locked.
Once they got out, they had tocross the state park to get back
to civilization.
There were only two thatreturned because one, they got
hungry in eighth, the third.
No, no, that didn't happen.
But that would've explained whythe two friends go missing for
most of the rest of the movie.
Most suspect a hoax on the girlspart because they don't want to
talk about it, which I mean, Idon't know.
(07:33):
I wouldn't wanna talk about alot too.
Stephen (07:35):
It seems like victim la well, well, they also know
exactly who did it and theyknow, and we're gonna get into
that.
But they also know who, howpowerful the family members of
those people are.
And if this could happen now.
It can only get worse and I knowthese girls still have to get
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through
Steve (07:56):
high school, but I mean like, I mean, I remember the
time that my two best friendsand I went missing for 72 hours
and did roofies just forattention.
I mean, is that part of the highschool experience for everyone?
Is it just Sam?
I'm pretty sure.
Sam and her friends.
Me and my friends, no, I thinkthat's how you go
Stephen (08:11):
from sophomore to junior.
Steve (08:12):
Okay, sounds good.
Alright.
Well, while Samantha's hauntedby visions of a dead girl,
bleeding from her head, welearned the douche bags from the
team were involved.
Coming to see the girls duringthe night claiming to just want
to talk, but then I'm druggingthem and leaving them.
This leads the good brotherDavid to play a detective and
protector and follow his firstsuspect, Roger, who pops some
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pills and goes tanning to catchsome sunshine while I relax,
which isn't how people who gotanning talk.
What
Stephen (08:39):
pills do you think he was popping?
Steve (08:42):
The, the pills that help you relax for the sunshine?
I don't know.
Vitamin D I don't
Stephen (08:46):
know.
Like yeah, were, were they pillslike that make him more
susceptible to UV rays or, I.
Steve (08:54):
Or he was a pill head that there was no other reason
for that being a plot pointother than to show that he's a
bad person.
Yeah.
I
Stephen (09:01):
don't, or like, oh, time to take my vitamins and
then go take like, yeah, they,but it was a pill bottle, so
it's not, it was definitelyprescription.
Yeah.
Steve (09:10):
And while they did see receptionist chats on the phone,
a ghostly force turns on thesong played at the prom in 1969.
Stephen (09:19):
Nikki Harris says, I will always
Steve (09:21):
be there.
Yep.
And turns the bed up to the maxor past max cooking him to a
crisp.
Yeah.
Now I never heard it directly.
Well, I guess maybe it isn't, oris it an urban legend that you
knew a girl or someone knew agirl who was died
Stephen (09:35):
tanning or, so the, the story or the urban legend that
it goes around is that there wasa bride that wanted the perfect
tan.
Before her wedding, but youknow, you're only allowed to go
at once a day at a tanningsalon.
(09:56):
Yeah.
Steve (09:57):
So that's why I have three memberships.
Stephen (09:59):
Well, no, I'm kidding.
She went to every tanning bedaround town.
Mm-hmm.
And did the like 15, 20 minutesat all of them and allegedly She
never woke up from her weddingnight because she had cooked her
insides and died.
Okay.
Wow.
(10:20):
So that's the urban legend.
And whenever you said that, Iwas like, wait a minute, this
happened to a girl.
Oh, damn.
Steve (10:25):
It is an urban legend.
Yes.
I don't think that that's howtanning beds work.
But between this movie and finaldestination, I always think
twice before going into atanning bed.
Stephen (10:35):
Yeah.
Final destination has given melots of things.
Lay down tanning beds.
Trucks with carrying giant logsconstruction equipment, hoisting
things high overhead.
Steve (10:47):
Would it be better being cooked alive if you were
standing up in a standup tanningbed?
I feel like I could
Stephen (10:51):
tr crawl out the top.
Okay.
Like, find a way to press, pushmyself up and out of the top of
the
Steve (10:58):
thing.
I'm taking notes for my futurehorror movie Robert or Roger's
Funeral.
Sam sees Coach Jacoby putting aflower on the grave of Mario, a
banner, and that definitely isnot gonna come into play later.
Stephen (11:10):
Yeah, Heather drops off Samantha's two textbooks and
Heather just doesn't understandwhy.
Samantha's still upset overthat.
Sally, silly little time lastweek that her boyfriend has
friends roofed and kidnapSamantha.
But hints that this has happenedbefore.
And then David comes in the roomonce Heather leaves.
Sam says that Heather was reallycool about it, and
Steve (11:33):
I mean, I'm just wondering how this is all okay.
I mean, while we discuss thatHeather gets a visit from the
spider in the middle the night,but I'm sure she'll be fine.
But yes.
Now if classmates roofed andkidnapped you, Would you be
like, Hey, there are accomplicesor ao.
Okay.
In my book, they're pretty coolabout the fact that their
boyfriend kidnapped me.
No.
If
Stephen (11:51):
someone knew they would be dead to me.
I was gonna say, there were
Steve (11:54):
people in high school that I spent four years not
talking to because I knew thatthey were friends with someone
that I had an issue with, andthey had never done anything
other than just be someone Ididn't like.
Like let alone, if they hadkidnapped me, roofed me, like
dragged me away.
I would never talk to any one oftheir friends, let alone think
that they were cool or playing
Stephen (12:13):
it.
Cool.
So freshman year we werewatching the Craft and it was,
there was a blizzard thatweekend, so everybody was snowed
in and so we were drinking andwatching the craft in one of my
friends' dorm rooms.
One of my friends and herboyfriend went to his dorm room
to have sex, so it was just meand her roommate watching the
(12:33):
craft.
And I kept saying by the POWs ofthe Guardians of the watch
towers of the North, I invokethee.
And I guess I got too annoyingfor her and I passed out and she
wrapped to my mouth and ducttape.
Oh yes, I do remember that.
And so I woke up starting Oh.
And tied my hands to the bed.
(12:54):
Yeah.
And I woke up starting to throwup and I couldn't get my hands
free.
And I was.
All I could think was I'm goingto asphyxiate on this.
And so I got free and got that.
And after I was sick, I wentback in, cursed her out and it's
been 23 years and I haven'ttalked to her.
Steve (13:16):
There we go.
Now Heather has a of spiders popout of the zit that she develops
the next morning.
'cause we all know what wasgonna happen with this.
Yep.
And impales herself on themirror trying to get them off.
She tears the two giant shardsout of her face.
Yeah.
Even though they always tell youto leave them in when the
spiders attack come from, fromthe inside taking a chunk of her
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skull out is more erupt and shebleeds to death.
It's truly gruesome and afantastic visualization of
something that you've heard amillion times before, but I've
never seen it be like thatgruesome with like the shards
and carrying them off.
It was really well done.
I mean, it was.
That was my favorite part ofthis entire movie was that death
scene.
Yeah.
Sam hears the screaming'causeshe lives two doors down and
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climbs up a tree and sees thespider scurrying away through
the window, but no one believesher.
Nope.
Now, how many deaths beforeyou'd think something
supernatural or murderous wasgoing on?
I'm, I'd like the, if someonedied, I'd be like, okay, weird.
But like, if two people die, I'dbe like, something's up.
Stephen (14:14):
So after the first one with the tanning bed, You know,
you'd be like, oh, that's weird.
Second one the next day or twodays later and it's, you know,
all a thousand spiders.
Yeah.
Coming out of this girl's face.
At that point I'd be like, yeah,there's something going on here.
(14:37):
So the football players create aconspiracy that it's the Owen
siblings murdering people, whichis weird.
When they're the deviants whoare drugging and kidnapping
girls.
Mm-hmm.
One douche Tom is driving homewhen Bloody Mary's, bloody
Mary's apparition causes him tofreak out and so he pulls over.
Finishes his beer gets out,another one starts drinking and
(15:01):
decides he has to pee.
So he goes over to pee on a highvoltage fence, but he's having
fun whizzing on it because it'soff.
And all of a sudden from histruck, we hear the prom song
come on and.
Mary turns on the fence, heimmediately fries himself.
And whenever the paramedics findhim after having French fried
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wiener his finger is alsomissing.
Mm-hmm.
And the paramedic was like, becareful when you're drinking
your beer.
Remember that story aboutso-and-so was drinking?
They found their finger in theirbeer.
That's foreshadowing folks.
Steve (15:40):
Yes, it is.
Now, whether the fence was offor on, like why?
Pee on a fence.
As someone with a penis wholoves flying it around, when I
pee at things, I generallyprefer a target.
If there was nothing else but afence, I would choose to be
trying to aim through a hole inthe fence so as not to hit the
lines, even if the electricitywas off, because it's a fun
game, but I don't understandwhy.
(16:01):
Wave it around signs and theholes of a fence.
What about you
Stephen (16:06):
and growing up?
You know, I.
Lived on the edge of the woodsout in the middle of nowhere.
When we were out there You wouldpee on a tree?
Yeah.
Or a fence or a bush.
Never.
Just the ground.
And I don't have a good reasonfor it.
I mean the ground's just as goodas places any, but people always
just pee on the tree.
Yeah, it makes
Steve (16:25):
more sense now.
And our homework, Samantha findsnotes sent to Heather about the
disappearance of Mary Banner andthe homecoming kidnappings of
1969, which mirror what'shappened to her now.
As well as newspaper clippingsoutlining the events of the
first two movies.
Why though?
Yeah,
Stephen (16:42):
so I think someone was just trying to shoehorn it in.
Mm-hmm.
Here's how I would've fixed itif Sam had found out about the
previous two urban legendkillers after doing some online
research because her friends hadstarted dying, like urban
legends.
Mm-hmm.
And so let's say.
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Heather had only gotten a letterabout Mary Banner and she's not
at rest.
Great.
And then they go see Grace, andthen they see Grace's things
about all of the different stufflike that.
And then she researches onlinelike Pendleton, Alpine, urban
legend deaths and be like, andthen, you know, then you could
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say You bring in the otherstories that way and Sam and her
brother could have, David couldhave a conversation of, so do
you think somebody's doing thislike an alpine?
And then they would be like, Imean, how like, and so then, and
then it becomes a thing aboutthe ghost.
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I think that would've been abetter way and a smoother way.
To bring in the other storiesand then it would've felt more
like a complete trilogy insteadof this weird shoehorning in
because he was reading anarticle about pen about Alpine
or Pendleton and said the other,and I'm like, that was a
voiceover.
(18:10):
Didn't match the visuals.
Steve (18:11):
Yeah, it's.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
I mean, we could spend a wholeother hour and a half time at
what could have been betterhere, but we'll continue because
every teen in extracurricularshas 24 7 access to their school.
They a browse the school papers,archives and find out.
Mary was never found thatanother victim committed suicide
years later and that the third,Grace Taylor still lives in town
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before the suspicious footballcoach tells them
Stephen (18:34):
to leave.
Yeah.
Coach Jacoby just appears outtanowhere.
Steve (18:38):
Yeah.
Now this is not the first showthat I've seen where kids hang
out at school all night.
Buffy's famous for it, but Ifeel like a lot of, but
Stephen (18:45):
Joss, or not Joss
Steve (18:47):
but like it's something you see in TV shows all the time
of kids hanging out or going toschool at night for different
things.
Is that something that happensin real life?
No,
Stephen (18:54):
there never without a faculty member present, play,
rehearsal, TV stations, sportsthings.
A teacher or faculty member isalways going to be there.
Like I, I really do think it'sjust a TV thing that kids can
access to school whenever.
Because, because they alreadyhave a set, like even on Buffy
the, like, they're like thelibrarian Giles is there, so
like there is a faculty
Steve (19:15):
member there.
Yeah.
Now they visit Grace, who'smentally still in the seventies
and I feel like there's nothingwrong with that.
No.
She claims that Mary, or ratherher life force is exacting
revenge on the children of thefive people involved in the
kidnapping because the childrenwill always suffer the sins of
their parents.
But cannot or will not revealthe names of the perpetrators.
(19:35):
Even though I could have toldher 15 minutes ago that this was
all bloody Mary doing this.
Yeah.
And who they probably are.
Yeah.
While Samantha's prone tobelieve her, David remains
skeptical and thinks Grace ismore likely to kill her because
she made or collected artwork onthe urban legend killings and
gave Heather the news clippingsGrace.
Being guilty is ridiculousbecause nobody with such a
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groovy house could ever murdersomeone and mess up their good
vibes.
Only vibe that is.
Stephen (20:01):
A true statement 100%.
Steve (20:03):
Now, I only realized as they were leaving this house
that she was one of two girl oror three girls who was correct.
This happened to.
Why is this only happening toher and not her two friends?
And by the way, where are thesetwo friends?
Stephen (20:17):
Excellent questions.
You know, I think if the girlshadn't been victims two, I think
Mary would've come for them theway they turned their backs on
Sam.
Just to save.
Their reputation at school, butit's a plot hole that could have
been fixed rather easily.
Like one girl, like you could beone girl that maybe is
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hospitalized because she keepsseeing ghosts and they can be
throwaway things.
And the other girl's like, no, Idon't want to talk about it.
Don't talk to me.
Leave me alone.
It's not real.
It's not real like, Have both ofthem have been getting visions?
Steve (20:57):
You mean have have them be characters?
Stephen (20:58):
Right.
Okay.
Except I would've recast thatblonde girl'cause she was not
Steve (21:02):
good.
Yes.
Now whether Grace is involved ornot, she has artwork portraying
the death so far.
The siblings go to Warren Buck,who admits that he and his mates
orchestrated Samantha thisdisappearance and blames her for
the death of his friend.
He also reveals that his father,the football coach, was one of
the kidnappers in 1969, butdidn't hurt Mary.
Mm-hmm.
Samantha, however, suspects thatthe coach was the one that
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killed Mary as she saw him putflowers on the headstone
earlier.
And you only do that for people.
You're murdered.
Absolutely.
Stephen (21:29):
I mean, do you know how many flowers I have to go around
on a monthly basis and put onheadstones?
Steve (21:36):
Yes.
Her stepfather, who overheardher, tells her to reveal any
solid evidence she has, which istotally how innocent people
respond to accusations.
Stephen (21:44):
Yep.
Yeah.
You know, we have this town thattwo times now they're like, you
know, we should just kidnap theoutcast girls and drop their
unconscious body miles away,kids in their pranks.
Am I right?
Steve (21:59):
I, I mean, I'll just go back to it one last time, but
driving 20 miles out of town.
Stephen (22:04):
Okay, so you can go, if you're driving 60 miles an hour
mm-hmm.
You can go a mile a minute.
Yes.
So if you're getting 20 miles,Outside of town, 20 minutes.
Do you know how long it takes towalk a mile at a good pace?
15 minutes.
Okay.
So to get 20 to 25 miles.
(22:28):
Yeah.
Is walking all day, like you'rejust being mean at that point to
somebody.
So like yeah, there probablycould have been better ways to
do it, but I can definitely see.
The motivation for it.
Like it's
Steve (22:45):
absolutely there.
Okay.
There we go.
I guess it's just like, justseems like too much work.
And I grew up in a time wherelike in a very rural area where
I'm like, oh, so when they wakeup they'll just find the nearest
Uber.
Yeah.
Which I know isn't how it workedback then.
But
Stephen (22:58):
either and an upset Buck tries to relax by drinking
and watching porn in a CD motel.
He almost gets his hands stuckin a vending machine.
But as it's collapsing, he'sable to.
Pull his hand out just in timebecause we'd already heard about
an urban legend of somebodybeing crushed by a vending
machine.
Yes.
But he now gets free snacks andso he goes back with his bottle
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of liquor and we see in thebottom of the bottle is Tom's
finger, although Buck didn't seeit falling asleep.
He has his dog with him and youknow, he keeps.
He keeps showing us repeatedlyand putting his hand over the
side of the bed for the dog to
Steve (23:34):
lick.
And I was like, gee, I wonderwhere we're going here.
Being that this was an entirething in the very last movie.
Yeah.
Stephen (23:41):
And so he wakes up hearing a dripping sound,
discovers his dog.
I.
He gutted and hanging in thecloset and, but he had just had
somebody lick his hands and thenhe sees the note people can lick
too.
Mary crawls out from under thebed and breaks the bottle
against his head, and then sheslashes him all to bits and
(24:06):
everybody says that it was justa prostitute that killed him in
a CD motel.
Steve (24:12):
Yes.
Now the porn quote unquote,yeah.
Buck was watching was actuallythe dream sequence from Urban
Legend's final cut last week,where Amy dreams, she's having
sex with Trevor, although theaudio is obviously faked.
Stephen (24:25):
So if I ever made an urban legend movie, there would
be no domesticated animalsharmed specifically puppies or
cat.
Rats and birds
Steve (24:34):
are fair game, though.
Yes.
If I ever made an Urban Legend'strilogy, I wouldn't do the same
urban legend as two deaths andtwo movies right in a row
either.
Stephen (24:42):
I wouldn't either, and I could've easily found a
million, A more painful way forBuck to die.
Steve (24:48):
Yeah.
All right.
Now we find Sam's friends andthey, we learn that they care
just about as much what'shappening to the jock
cheerleaders who drugged andkidnapped them as I would in
this situation.
Right.
That's, they just don't care.
Yeah.
I wouldn't either, I guess, andthat's when I was like, okay,
fair enough.
But at least they exist.
I was wondering whether we'dever see them again.
Right now.
Meanwhile, both siblings aretrying to find.
(25:10):
Clues about the fifth remainingperpetrator, Samantha, by
browsing through oldphotographs.
David, by visiting Grace Again,grace still reviews us to to
reveal the names, but directshim to the school archives.
Going through the archives, hesuddenly finds out the identity
of the fifth person in Russia'shome, but finds Sam Gunn is
suffocated by a hooded man, justas I realized the fifth person's
probably their stepfather.
(25:31):
Yep.
Now, why as grace would I sendhim to check the school archives
if I have the informationmyself?
So I don't
Stephen (25:40):
have a good reason for that other than it makes for a
better reveal later on than herto just say, well, honey, I.
You know that that's yourstepdaddy that's been doing it.
Like that's not as good of areveal.
As him being surprised goes hometo tell Sam who it is dies and
(26:02):
we don't find out till laterlike, that's a much better
reveal if to fix this.
They should have said to Great.
Let Grace say whatever they gaveme.
I don't remember much about thatnight.
I, I have my suspicions, but Ican't confirm anything like,
That.
I think that would've been abetter way to go.
Steve (26:24):
Yeah.
Now Samantha meanwhile hasvisions of Mary again revealing
that the girl was not dead whenbeing locked in the trunk, but,
but rather suffocating later on,and also learns her whereabouts
in the school basement.
She also visits Grace, who tellsher to find and bury Mary's
corpse and reluctantly agrees todrive Samantha to the school.
Stephen (26:40):
And she hadn't been back to that school in 30 years,
Steve (26:44):
and neither would I have now.
While Grace is waiting in thevan, Samantha finds the storage
room and the trunk with Mary'scorpse in it.
The hooded man also appears andenters the storage room, but Sam
locks him inside while carryingMary's remains outside to the
van in some very funny trips andfall moments.
Yeah,
Stephen (26:59):
like she fell broke.
Mary's ribs had to collect theribs and put them back in there.
But the one that made me giggleis when she couldn't get into
the van.
And she
Steve (27:09):
just dumps up, up like, like it didn't matter.
No, not at all.
And but between that and just,if I was in a horror movie like
this, I would be great.
Just be like, fuck it, I'mgetting high and going to sleep.
Goodbye.
Stephen (27:22):
So do you think that the corpse would've smelled, or
do you think because it's been30 years, And it mummified and
just became dust and everything,that there probably isn't a
Steve (27:32):
smell.
There must be a smell.
I'm no scientist, but I wouldthink that there would be a
smell.
I was like, she better gag.
I mean, I know that like if weopen up like a drawer of like
clothes that we haven't been inin like a year, like it smells
like mothballs.
I can only imagine what a corpsewould smell like after 30.
Stephen (27:51):
Yeah.
Finding grace so high, she can'twake up or something.
That's not how
Steve (27:57):
I remember marijuana working.
Samantha
Stephen (28:00):
calls her stepfather to tell him what is happening and
where she's going, and shedrives the van to the cemetery
where she begins to dig a gravefrom Mary under her headstone.
Her stepfather arrives and helpsher digging and is asking, you
know, have you told your motherabout this?
And then suddenly hits her witha shovel suddenly.
Steve (28:18):
Yeah, I mean, I saw
Stephen (28:20):
it coming.
Well, yes.
Pursuing his stepdaughterthrough the graveyard Bill
reveals that he was the one thatlocked Mary in the trunk and
that he also killed David.
And Grace tries to save the day,but Bill knocks her out and he
finally captures Sam and isabout to decapitate her with
that same shovel.
When Mary Banner in her livingform appears as their song
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plays.
Smiling towards Samantha.
She embraces Bill, then revertsto her ghastly form and drags
him with her into the grave anda swirl of some very random C G
I effects that probably werevery 2005.
I
Steve (28:58):
mean, it was like they had a special effects folder and
they were like, let's do themall at once.
I'm not complaining, but therewas like nothing supernatural
about that other than justsomeone was doing all of the
effects.
Stephen (29:12):
And to which grace says
Steve (29:14):
far out.
And I agree.
Yeah.
Now was I surprised like duringthat I was like, wait a minute,
that was David dying.
Stephen (29:22):
I know.
I was really disappointed.
I was hoping that it was justhim being incapacitated.
Steve (29:27):
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know whether it,maybe it's because like.
Mary was the one who killed allthe people.
And it's weird having like ahuman murder, another human in a
movie about supernatural deaths,but just something felt
Stephen (29:37):
weird.
I mean, I could see him coveringit up.
I just didn't, I, I, I likedDavid too much.
I didn't want him
Steve (29:42):
to die if he died, I wanted to see him like suffocate
to death.
I think
Stephen (29:46):
we pretty much saw him suffocating to death.
I
Steve (29:48):
don't know.
I thought that maybe he wasunconscious somewhere.
Stephen (29:51):
Also, I think that bill may have chloroform grace.
In the,
Steve (29:55):
oh, that makes sense.
But again, you have to make yourown head canon because
Stephen (30:00):
Right.
Like I think that she may havegotten sleepy from the weeded
and through the van chloroformher was my guess, because I.
It was too
Steve (30:12):
much.
I mean, whatever.
Yeah.
Now, when Samantha wakes up, thegrave is surrounded by police
and medical personnel retrievingher stepfather's corpse.
Mr.
Owens is announced to have diedof a heart attack while trying
to dispose of Mary banner'sremains and grace remarks to
Samantha that now she's an urbanlegend too, now that half her
family's dead and she'straumatized forever.
And we all laugh because it'strue.
Stephen (30:37):
And also you know, we see a news thing that it finally
comes to light of all the peoplethat were involved in Mary
Banner's, death anddisappearance.
So none of them are gonna get areprieve.
Mary finally gets justice afterall these years, and while there
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may be issues with the secondand third of the Urban Legend
series and it's not as strong assome other horror movie,
trilogies and series and things.
It's, this one was still ratherenjoyable.
Kate Mara did a fantastic jobleading the movie.
The spider scene was worth theprice of admission alone.
Steve (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, I love this.
I just, I don't call it urbanlegends.
I call this bloody Maryshenanigans.
Stephen (31:25):
Do you know that was actually the working title.
It
Steve (31:27):
was, they have Urban Legends one and two, and then
they have Bloody Maryshenanigans.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So starting next month, we'regonna be looking ahead into
what's new in pop culture andkeeping us happy.
So if there's a new show thatyou've recently seen on Netflix
or a movie you've seen out intheaters that you think that
we've might have seen as well,and you want to hear us talk
(31:48):
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You can do that by emailing usat Happy Life pod@gmail.com, or
you
Stephen (31:55):
can get in touch with us on the socials, whether that
is.
Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter.
And we'd love to hear what'sbeen making you happy because we
have a pretty good idea that ifyou find it happy making, we
will too.
And we always wanna spread thehappy around.
Yes.
Steve (32:13):
So until next time, everybody stay happy.
Hello, returning Happys and new listeners.
This is Steve Bennett Martin.
And this is
Stephen (00:06):
Steven Martin Bennett, and welcome to a lifetime of
Steve (00:09):
happiness.
The podcast where we take you onour journey through some of the
movies, shows, and other bits ofpop culture that are helping to
keep us happy, while hopefullybring a smile to your face along
the way.
And we're
Stephen (00:18):
wrapping up our Urban Legends trilogy with the final
straight to video slasher UrbanLegends.
Three, the
Steve (00:25):
Bloody Mary.
And there is a 50% chance, thisis my first time watching it,
Stephen (00:30):
so I'm pretty sure it's actually a hundred percent
chance.
Steve (00:33):
Yeah, probably yes.
But I mean the biggestdifference between this movie
and the two that we talked aboutpreviously in the last two weeks
is that it's a supernaturalforce here.
Yes.
As someone who loves a goodwhodunit, but also loves a good
ghost story, how do you feel theshift
Stephen (00:48):
works?
I thought it was a fun,interesting way to go about it.
It gave them more leniency whendoing.
Some of the urban legends thatare a little more out there like
the spiders.
Yeah.
Because things like that, it's alittle hard to do with a killer.
Yes.
Yeah.
And this way you could have alittle bit of a, some ghosty
(01:09):
magic make things happen.
Steve (01:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean I definitely loved partof the fir first two, the
mystery being who is doing it.
Right.
And that's what I love about theScream Franchise being my
favorite horror franchise.
I love.
When you get to find thatmystery and there is I think
something that is missing withthis supernatural force, just it
would be a good movie on itsown, but.
As part of a trilogy.
It's an interesting way to wrapup a third rather than calling
(01:33):
like a reboot or a, a spinoff orsomething different.
Right.
But yes, for those not in theknow Urban Legend, bloody Mary
was released on July 19th, 2005by Sony Pictures Home
Entertainment with a budget of$3.5 million.
And since it was homeentertainment, we estimate
revenue around 6.7 million.
(01:54):
Which could have been worse.
Stephen (01:55):
Exactly.
I mean, there was no.
Marketing with it.
Yeah.
So if that was the budget, thenthey made money off of
Steve (02:03):
it.
Exactly.
It's directed by Mary Lambert,written by Michael Dougherty and
Dan Harris.
And Stars Kate Mara as SamOwens.
Robert Vito as David Owens.
Tina Lipford as Grace Ed Marinoor Marinara.
Marinara Sauce is Bill andMichael KOAs Bach.
Stephen (02:21):
Now the creative team is new to the franchise.
Anybody that is familiar withBrian Singer's movies will know
dirty and Harris because hehelped with X-Men Godzilla and
that horrible Superman movie.
Steve (02:36):
Yes.
And as for the actors andactresses, I recognize Kate Mara
right away.
She's always a joy, but I don'tthink I know any of these other
people.
So I
Stephen (02:45):
knew Tina Lipford.
She plays Grace in this movie.
She looked familiar.
Yeah, she is spectacular inQueen Sugar as Aunt Violet.
And Ed Marro, I remember fromgrowing up, he plays Bill in
this and he was big in theeighties on tv.
He was one of the stars of HillStreet Blues, which was the
(03:05):
biggest cop show at the time.
Gotcha.
Steve (03:08):
Alright.
Can't believe I missed it.
Alright.
It's probably because it'sbefore my time.
You weren't born.
Yes.
Yes.
So the movie starts in 1969.
Ooh.
69.
Three high school footballplayers try to drug and kidnap
their prom night dates becausehow else do you to celebrate
prom when the after party's beencalled off while their plan
(03:29):
works with two of the girls.
The third Mary Banner, who nevertook her drink that was roofed,
tries to escape.
The football captain Williechases her through the school
and into a storage room where hepunches her so hard.
She's knocked out and bleedingfrom her head.
He believes her to be dead, sohe hides her body in the trunk
in the back and tells his friendthat she got away and to keep
looking for her.
(03:49):
Now I love like how it's a quicksetup.
Yeah.
But I am very confused over theintention of drugging and
kidnapping misfits at prom.
Stephen (04:02):
I mean, the movie Carrie Yeah.
Is all about, but that
Steve (04:06):
you like publicly humiliate her like it's bad
intentions, but it's,
Stephen (04:12):
it's gonna be the same thing.
They're supposed to leave themout in the middle of nowhere and
then teach them that misfitswill never be accepted.
I mean, as they were goingoutside, you saw the prom queen
who was.
Willie's yeah, girlfriend saylike he would ever be with
somebody like you and, you know,being nasty and awful, so, yeah.
(04:37):
They were just being meanteenagers.
Steve (04:40):
I don't know.
I just feel like if it involveddriving 20 minutes out of the
way just to drop them off, likeI would've at least like peed on
them or something.
Like, well, I mean, if youthink, and I mean at the time I,
I'm surprised that there wasn'tlike date rape involved because,
I mean, well,
Stephen (04:55):
they wouldn't have thought that these girls were
Steve (04:57):
worth it.
Well, I don't know.
It just seems like a weirdprank.
But anyway, as far as urbanmyths or legends go, how does
this story of the, the.
Mary Banner death.
So
Stephen (05:08):
there have been many a story of someone who goes
missing in high school and neverturns up people think she died
or maybe her ghost haunts theschool.
Because of when all thosestories allegedly took place,
you know, it's pre-internettime.
Mm-hmm.
And so the Internet's nothelpful in searches compared to
now.
So those stories are able toexist.
(05:30):
Like this, you know, 1969Internet's not gonna be, so
somebody can say whatever andyou can't Google and like back
check.
Yeah, yeah.
Steve (05:39):
There's no Googling.
Yes.
Now, 30 years later, the story'stold among three school girls
during a sleepover, one of themSamantha had written an article
in the school paper critical ofthe football players academic
achievements or lack thereof.
Yep.
And subsequently, she, herfriends and her brother David,
are being treated as outcast bythe rest of the school.
They jokingly conjure bloodyMary after one hell of a pure
(06:00):
pillow fight, and I was thrownoff for even Sure did they
summon bloody Mary because theydid the, they didn't mention the
mirror in the, the legend, butis it just that they
Stephen (06:11):
did mention the mirror in the legend, so they didn't
really summon, so no, I don'tthink that they ended up
conjuring her.
I think that it was more thatwhat happens next?
Awakened the spirit of MaryBanner.
I think it's just a coincidenceand they used it for a plot
device in the movie.
It's kind of sloppy writing.
(06:31):
Like if they had had the girlsgo into the downstairs bathroom
and do it there, and it might bemore believable, but laying on
your back on pillows andsleeping bags and staring at the
ceiling, I don't think is theproper way.
To Conjure
Steve (06:49):
Bloody Mary.
Okay, good.
And hopefully not saying BloodyMary's name a whole bunch.
When you're doing a podcastepisode with a movie and its
title, I think it's all aboutintention.
There we go.
And the next morning, David andhis mom find the girls have gone
missing only for Sam to walk inthe front door three days later,
mostly unharmed claiming theywoke up in an old deserted mill
on the other side of the statepark.
Apparently drugged with noknowledge of how they got there.
(07:11):
The door was locked.
Once they got out, they had tocross the state park to get back
to civilization.
There were only two thatreturned because one, they got
hungry in eighth, the third.
No, no, that didn't happen.
But that would've explained whythe two friends go missing for
most of the rest of the movie.
Most suspect a hoax on the girlspart because they don't want to
talk about it, which I mean, Idon't know.
(07:33):
I wouldn't wanna talk about alot too.
Stephen (07:35):
It seems like victim la well, well, they also know
exactly who did it and theyknow, and we're gonna get into
that.
But they also know who, howpowerful the family members of
those people are.
And if this could happen now.
It can only get worse and I knowthese girls still have to get
(07:56):
through
Steve (07:56):
high school, but I mean like, I mean, I remember the
time that my two best friendsand I went missing for 72 hours
and did roofies just forattention.
I mean, is that part of the highschool experience for everyone?
Is it just Sam?
I'm pretty sure.
Sam and her friends.
Me and my friends, no, I thinkthat's how you go
Stephen (08:11):
from sophomore to junior.
Steve (08:12):
Okay, sounds good.
Alright.
Well, while Samantha's hauntedby visions of a dead girl,
bleeding from her head, welearned the douche bags from the
team were involved.
Coming to see the girls duringthe night claiming to just want
to talk, but then I'm druggingthem and leaving them.
This leads the good brotherDavid to play a detective and
protector and follow his firstsuspect, Roger, who pops some
(08:32):
pills and goes tanning to catchsome sunshine while I relax,
which isn't how people who gotanning talk.
What
Stephen (08:39):
pills do you think he was popping?
Steve (08:42):
The, the pills that help you relax for the sunshine?
I don't know.
Vitamin D I don't
Stephen (08:46):
know.
Like yeah, were, were they pillslike that make him more
susceptible to UV rays or, I.
Steve (08:54):
Or he was a pill head that there was no other reason
for that being a plot pointother than to show that he's a
bad person.
Yeah.
I
Stephen (09:01):
don't, or like, oh, time to take my vitamins and
then go take like, yeah, they,but it was a pill bottle, so
it's not, it was definitelyprescription.
Yeah.
Steve (09:10):
And while they did see receptionist chats on the phone,
a ghostly force turns on thesong played at the prom in 1969.
Stephen (09:19):
Nikki Harris says, I will always
Steve (09:21):
be there.
Yep.
And turns the bed up to the maxor past max cooking him to a
crisp.
Yeah.
Now I never heard it directly.
Well, I guess maybe it isn't, oris it an urban legend that you
knew a girl or someone knew agirl who was died
Stephen (09:35):
tanning or, so the, the story or the urban legend that
it goes around is that there wasa bride that wanted the perfect
tan.
Before her wedding, but youknow, you're only allowed to go
at once a day at a tanningsalon.
(09:56):
Yeah.
Steve (09:57):
So that's why I have three memberships.
Stephen (09:59):
Well, no, I'm kidding.
She went to every tanning bedaround town.
Mm-hmm.
And did the like 15, 20 minutesat all of them and allegedly She
never woke up from her weddingnight because she had cooked her
insides and died.
Okay.
Wow.
(10:20):
So that's the urban legend.
And whenever you said that, Iwas like, wait a minute, this
happened to a girl.
Oh, damn.
Steve (10:25):
It is an urban legend.
Yes.
I don't think that that's howtanning beds work.
But between this movie and finaldestination, I always think
twice before going into atanning bed.
Stephen (10:35):
Yeah.
Final destination has given melots of things.
Lay down tanning beds.
Trucks with carrying giant logsconstruction equipment, hoisting
things high overhead.
Steve (10:47):
Would it be better being cooked alive if you were
standing up in a standup tanningbed?
I feel like I could
Stephen (10:51):
tr crawl out the top.
Okay.
Like, find a way to press, pushmyself up and out of the top of
the
Steve (10:58):
thing.
I'm taking notes for my futurehorror movie Robert or Roger's
Funeral.
Sam sees Coach Jacoby putting aflower on the grave of Mario, a
banner, and that definitely isnot gonna come into play later.
Stephen (11:10):
Yeah, Heather drops off Samantha's two textbooks and
Heather just doesn't understandwhy.
Samantha's still upset overthat.
Sally, silly little time lastweek that her boyfriend has
friends roofed and kidnapSamantha.
But hints that this has happenedbefore.
And then David comes in the roomonce Heather leaves.
Sam says that Heather was reallycool about it, and
Steve (11:33):
I mean, I'm just wondering how this is all okay.
I mean, while we discuss thatHeather gets a visit from the
spider in the middle the night,but I'm sure she'll be fine.
But yes.
Now if classmates roofed andkidnapped you, Would you be
like, Hey, there are accomplicesor ao.
Okay.
In my book, they're pretty coolabout the fact that their
boyfriend kidnapped me.
No.
If
Stephen (11:51):
someone knew they would be dead to me.
I was gonna say, there were
Steve (11:54):
people in high school that I spent four years not
talking to because I knew thatthey were friends with someone
that I had an issue with, andthey had never done anything
other than just be someone Ididn't like.
Like let alone, if they hadkidnapped me, roofed me, like
dragged me away.
I would never talk to any one oftheir friends, let alone think
that they were cool or playing
Stephen (12:13):
it.
Cool.
So freshman year we werewatching the Craft and it was,
there was a blizzard thatweekend, so everybody was snowed
in and so we were drinking andwatching the craft in one of my
friends' dorm rooms.
One of my friends and herboyfriend went to his dorm room
to have sex, so it was just meand her roommate watching the
(12:33):
craft.
And I kept saying by the POWs ofthe Guardians of the watch
towers of the North, I invokethee.
And I guess I got too annoyingfor her and I passed out and she
wrapped to my mouth and ducttape.
Oh yes, I do remember that.
And so I woke up starting Oh.
And tied my hands to the bed.
(12:54):
Yeah.
And I woke up starting to throwup and I couldn't get my hands
free.
And I was.
All I could think was I'm goingto asphyxiate on this.
And so I got free and got that.
And after I was sick, I wentback in, cursed her out and it's
been 23 years and I haven'ttalked to her.
Steve (13:16):
There we go.
Now Heather has a of spiders popout of the zit that she develops
the next morning.
'cause we all know what wasgonna happen with this.
Yep.
And impales herself on themirror trying to get them off.
She tears the two giant shardsout of her face.
Yeah.
Even though they always tell youto leave them in when the
spiders attack come from, fromthe inside taking a chunk of her
(13:37):
skull out is more erupt and shebleeds to death.
It's truly gruesome and afantastic visualization of
something that you've heard amillion times before, but I've
never seen it be like thatgruesome with like the shards
and carrying them off.
It was really well done.
I mean, it was.
That was my favorite part ofthis entire movie was that death
scene.
Yeah.
Sam hears the screaming'causeshe lives two doors down and
(13:58):
climbs up a tree and sees thespider scurrying away through
the window, but no one believesher.
Nope.
Now, how many deaths beforeyou'd think something
supernatural or murderous wasgoing on?
I'm, I'd like the, if someonedied, I'd be like, okay, weird.
But like, if two people die, I'dbe like, something's up.
Stephen (14:14):
So after the first one with the tanning bed, You know,
you'd be like, oh, that's weird.
Second one the next day or twodays later and it's, you know,
all a thousand spiders.
Yeah.
Coming out of this girl's face.
At that point I'd be like, yeah,there's something going on here.
(14:37):
So the football players create aconspiracy that it's the Owen
siblings murdering people, whichis weird.
When they're the deviants whoare drugging and kidnapping
girls.
Mm-hmm.
One douche Tom is driving homewhen Bloody Mary's, bloody
Mary's apparition causes him tofreak out and so he pulls over.
Finishes his beer gets out,another one starts drinking and
(15:01):
decides he has to pee.
So he goes over to pee on a highvoltage fence, but he's having
fun whizzing on it because it'soff.
And all of a sudden from histruck, we hear the prom song
come on and.
Mary turns on the fence, heimmediately fries himself.
And whenever the paramedics findhim after having French fried
(15:25):
wiener his finger is alsomissing.
Mm-hmm.
And the paramedic was like, becareful when you're drinking
your beer.
Remember that story aboutso-and-so was drinking?
They found their finger in theirbeer.
That's foreshadowing folks.
Steve (15:40):
Yes, it is.
Now, whether the fence was offor on, like why?
Pee on a fence.
As someone with a penis wholoves flying it around, when I
pee at things, I generallyprefer a target.
If there was nothing else but afence, I would choose to be
trying to aim through a hole inthe fence so as not to hit the
lines, even if the electricitywas off, because it's a fun
game, but I don't understandwhy.
(16:01):
Wave it around signs and theholes of a fence.
What about you
Stephen (16:06):
and growing up?
You know, I.
Lived on the edge of the woodsout in the middle of nowhere.
When we were out there You wouldpee on a tree?
Yeah.
Or a fence or a bush.
Never.
Just the ground.
And I don't have a good reasonfor it.
I mean the ground's just as goodas places any, but people always
just pee on the tree.
Yeah, it makes
Steve (16:25):
more sense now.
And our homework, Samantha findsnotes sent to Heather about the
disappearance of Mary Banner andthe homecoming kidnappings of
1969, which mirror what'shappened to her now.
As well as newspaper clippingsoutlining the events of the
first two movies.
Why though?
Yeah,
Stephen (16:42):
so I think someone was just trying to shoehorn it in.
Mm-hmm.
Here's how I would've fixed itif Sam had found out about the
previous two urban legendkillers after doing some online
research because her friends hadstarted dying, like urban
legends.
Mm-hmm.
And so let's say.
(17:03):
Heather had only gotten a letterabout Mary Banner and she's not
at rest.
Great.
And then they go see Grace, andthen they see Grace's things
about all of the different stufflike that.
And then she researches onlinelike Pendleton, Alpine, urban
legend deaths and be like, andthen, you know, then you could
(17:28):
say You bring in the otherstories that way and Sam and her
brother could have, David couldhave a conversation of, so do
you think somebody's doing thislike an alpine?
And then they would be like, Imean, how like, and so then, and
then it becomes a thing aboutthe ghost.
(17:48):
I think that would've been abetter way and a smoother way.
To bring in the other storiesand then it would've felt more
like a complete trilogy insteadof this weird shoehorning in
because he was reading anarticle about pen about Alpine
or Pendleton and said the other,and I'm like, that was a
voiceover.
(18:10):
Didn't match the visuals.
Steve (18:11):
Yeah, it's.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
I mean, we could spend a wholeother hour and a half time at
what could have been betterhere, but we'll continue because
every teen in extracurricularshas 24 7 access to their school.
They a browse the school papers,archives and find out.
Mary was never found thatanother victim committed suicide
years later and that the third,Grace Taylor still lives in town
(18:32):
before the suspicious footballcoach tells them
Stephen (18:34):
to leave.
Yeah.
Coach Jacoby just appears outtanowhere.
Steve (18:38):
Yeah.
Now this is not the first showthat I've seen where kids hang
out at school all night.
Buffy's famous for it, but Ifeel like a lot of, but
Stephen (18:45):
Joss, or not Joss
Steve (18:47):
but like it's something you see in TV shows all the time
of kids hanging out or going toschool at night for different
things.
Is that something that happensin real life?
No,
Stephen (18:54):
there never without a faculty member present, play,
rehearsal, TV stations, sportsthings.
A teacher or faculty member isalways going to be there.
Like I, I really do think it'sjust a TV thing that kids can
access to school whenever.
Because, because they alreadyhave a set, like even on Buffy
the, like, they're like thelibrarian Giles is there, so
like there is a faculty
Steve (19:15):
member there.
Yeah.
Now they visit Grace, who'smentally still in the seventies
and I feel like there's nothingwrong with that.
No.
She claims that Mary, or ratherher life force is exacting
revenge on the children of thefive people involved in the
kidnapping because the childrenwill always suffer the sins of
their parents.
But cannot or will not revealthe names of the perpetrators.
(19:35):
Even though I could have toldher 15 minutes ago that this was
all bloody Mary doing this.
Yeah.
And who they probably are.
Yeah.
While Samantha's prone tobelieve her, David remains
skeptical and thinks Grace ismore likely to kill her because
she made or collected artwork onthe urban legend killings and
gave Heather the news clippingsGrace.
Being guilty is ridiculousbecause nobody with such a
(19:56):
groovy house could ever murdersomeone and mess up their good
vibes.
Only vibe that is.
Stephen (20:01):
A true statement 100%.
Steve (20:03):
Now, I only realized as they were leaving this house
that she was one of two girl oror three girls who was correct.
This happened to.
Why is this only happening toher and not her two friends?
And by the way, where are thesetwo friends?
Stephen (20:17):
Excellent questions.
You know, I think if the girlshadn't been victims two, I think
Mary would've come for them theway they turned their backs on
Sam.
Just to save.
Their reputation at school, butit's a plot hole that could have
been fixed rather easily.
Like one girl, like you could beone girl that maybe is
(20:41):
hospitalized because she keepsseeing ghosts and they can be
throwaway things.
And the other girl's like, no, Idon't want to talk about it.
Don't talk to me.
Leave me alone.
It's not real.
It's not real like, Have both ofthem have been getting visions?
Steve (20:57):
You mean have have them be characters?
Stephen (20:58):
Right.
Okay.
Except I would've recast thatblonde girl'cause she was not
Steve (21:02):
good.
Yes.
Now whether Grace is involved ornot, she has artwork portraying
the death so far.
The siblings go to Warren Buck,who admits that he and his mates
orchestrated Samantha thisdisappearance and blames her for
the death of his friend.
He also reveals that his father,the football coach, was one of
the kidnappers in 1969, butdidn't hurt Mary.
Mm-hmm.
Samantha, however, suspects thatthe coach was the one that
(21:24):
killed Mary as she saw him putflowers on the headstone
earlier.
And you only do that for people.
You're murdered.
Absolutely.
Stephen (21:29):
I mean, do you know how many flowers I have to go around
on a monthly basis and put onheadstones?
Steve (21:36):
Yes.
Her stepfather, who overheardher, tells her to reveal any
solid evidence she has, which istotally how innocent people
respond to accusations.
Stephen (21:44):
Yep.
Yeah.
You know, we have this town thattwo times now they're like, you
know, we should just kidnap theoutcast girls and drop their
unconscious body miles away,kids in their pranks.
Am I right?
Steve (21:59):
I, I mean, I'll just go back to it one last time, but
driving 20 miles out of town.
Stephen (22:04):
Okay, so you can go, if you're driving 60 miles an hour
mm-hmm.
You can go a mile a minute.
Yes.
So if you're getting 20 miles,Outside of town, 20 minutes.
Do you know how long it takes towalk a mile at a good pace?
15 minutes.
Okay.
So to get 20 to 25 miles.
(22:28):
Yeah.
Is walking all day, like you'rejust being mean at that point to
somebody.
So like yeah, there probablycould have been better ways to
do it, but I can definitely see.
The motivation for it.
Like it's
Steve (22:45):
absolutely there.
Okay.
There we go.
I guess it's just like, justseems like too much work.
And I grew up in a time wherelike in a very rural area where
I'm like, oh, so when they wakeup they'll just find the nearest
Uber.
Yeah.
Which I know isn't how it workedback then.
But
Stephen (22:58):
either and an upset Buck tries to relax by drinking
and watching porn in a CD motel.
He almost gets his hands stuckin a vending machine.
But as it's collapsing, he'sable to.
Pull his hand out just in timebecause we'd already heard about
an urban legend of somebodybeing crushed by a vending
machine.
Yes.
But he now gets free snacks andso he goes back with his bottle
(23:20):
of liquor and we see in thebottom of the bottle is Tom's
finger, although Buck didn't seeit falling asleep.
He has his dog with him and youknow, he keeps.
He keeps showing us repeatedlyand putting his hand over the
side of the bed for the dog to
Steve (23:34):
lick.
And I was like, gee, I wonderwhere we're going here.
Being that this was an entirething in the very last movie.
Yeah.
Stephen (23:41):
And so he wakes up hearing a dripping sound,
discovers his dog.
I.
He gutted and hanging in thecloset and, but he had just had
somebody lick his hands and thenhe sees the note people can lick
too.
Mary crawls out from under thebed and breaks the bottle
against his head, and then sheslashes him all to bits and
(24:06):
everybody says that it was justa prostitute that killed him in
a CD motel.
Steve (24:12):
Yes.
Now the porn quote unquote,yeah.
Buck was watching was actuallythe dream sequence from Urban
Legend's final cut last week,where Amy dreams, she's having
sex with Trevor, although theaudio is obviously faked.
Stephen (24:25):
So if I ever made an urban legend movie, there would
be no domesticated animalsharmed specifically puppies or
cat.
Rats and birds
Steve (24:34):
are fair game, though.
Yes.
If I ever made an Urban Legend'strilogy, I wouldn't do the same
urban legend as two deaths andtwo movies right in a row
either.
Stephen (24:42):
I wouldn't either, and I could've easily found a
million, A more painful way forBuck to die.
Steve (24:48):
Yeah.
All right.
Now we find Sam's friends andthey, we learn that they care
just about as much what'shappening to the jock
cheerleaders who drugged andkidnapped them as I would in
this situation.
Right.
That's, they just don't care.
Yeah.
I wouldn't either, I guess, andthat's when I was like, okay,
fair enough.
But at least they exist.
I was wondering whether we'dever see them again.
Right now.
Meanwhile, both siblings aretrying to find.
(25:10):
Clues about the fifth remainingperpetrator, Samantha, by
browsing through oldphotographs.
David, by visiting Grace Again,grace still reviews us to to
reveal the names, but directshim to the school archives.
Going through the archives, hesuddenly finds out the identity
of the fifth person in Russia'shome, but finds Sam Gunn is
suffocated by a hooded man, justas I realized the fifth person's
probably their stepfather.
(25:31):
Yep.
Now, why as grace would I sendhim to check the school archives
if I have the informationmyself?
So I don't
Stephen (25:40):
have a good reason for that other than it makes for a
better reveal later on than herto just say, well, honey, I.
You know that that's yourstepdaddy that's been doing it.
Like that's not as good of areveal.
As him being surprised goes hometo tell Sam who it is dies and
(26:02):
we don't find out till laterlike, that's a much better
reveal if to fix this.
They should have said to Great.
Let Grace say whatever they gaveme.
I don't remember much about thatnight.
I, I have my suspicions, but Ican't confirm anything like,
That.
I think that would've been abetter way to go.
Steve (26:24):
Yeah.
Now Samantha meanwhile hasvisions of Mary again revealing
that the girl was not dead whenbeing locked in the trunk, but,
but rather suffocating later on,and also learns her whereabouts
in the school basement.
She also visits Grace, who tellsher to find and bury Mary's
corpse and reluctantly agrees todrive Samantha to the school.
Stephen (26:40):
And she hadn't been back to that school in 30 years,
Steve (26:44):
and neither would I have now.
While Grace is waiting in thevan, Samantha finds the storage
room and the trunk with Mary'scorpse in it.
The hooded man also appears andenters the storage room, but Sam
locks him inside while carryingMary's remains outside to the
van in some very funny trips andfall moments.
Yeah,
Stephen (26:59):
like she fell broke.
Mary's ribs had to collect theribs and put them back in there.
But the one that made me giggleis when she couldn't get into
the van.
And she
Steve (27:09):
just dumps up, up like, like it didn't matter.
No, not at all.
And but between that and just,if I was in a horror movie like
this, I would be great.
Just be like, fuck it, I'mgetting high and going to sleep.
Goodbye.
Stephen (27:22):
So do you think that the corpse would've smelled, or
do you think because it's been30 years, And it mummified and
just became dust and everything,that there probably isn't a
Steve (27:32):
smell.
There must be a smell.
I'm no scientist, but I wouldthink that there would be a
smell.
I was like, she better gag.
I mean, I know that like if weopen up like a drawer of like
clothes that we haven't been inin like a year, like it smells
like mothballs.
I can only imagine what a corpsewould smell like after 30.
Stephen (27:51):
Yeah.
Finding grace so high, she can'twake up or something.
That's not how
Steve (27:57):
I remember marijuana working.
Samantha
Stephen (28:00):
calls her stepfather to tell him what is happening and
where she's going, and shedrives the van to the cemetery
where she begins to dig a gravefrom Mary under her headstone.
Her stepfather arrives and helpsher digging and is asking, you
know, have you told your motherabout this?
And then suddenly hits her witha shovel suddenly.
Steve (28:18):
Yeah, I mean, I saw
Stephen (28:20):
it coming.
Well, yes.
Pursuing his stepdaughterthrough the graveyard Bill
reveals that he was the one thatlocked Mary in the trunk and
that he also killed David.
And Grace tries to save the day,but Bill knocks her out and he
finally captures Sam and isabout to decapitate her with
that same shovel.
When Mary Banner in her livingform appears as their song
(28:42):
plays.
Smiling towards Samantha.
She embraces Bill, then revertsto her ghastly form and drags
him with her into the grave anda swirl of some very random C G
I effects that probably werevery 2005.
I
Steve (28:58):
mean, it was like they had a special effects folder and
they were like, let's do themall at once.
I'm not complaining, but therewas like nothing supernatural
about that other than justsomeone was doing all of the
effects.
Stephen (29:12):
And to which grace says
Steve (29:14):
far out.
And I agree.
Yeah.
Now was I surprised like duringthat I was like, wait a minute,
that was David dying.
Stephen (29:22):
I know.
I was really disappointed.
I was hoping that it was justhim being incapacitated.
Steve (29:27):
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know whether it,maybe it's because like.
Mary was the one who killed allthe people.
And it's weird having like ahuman murder, another human in a
movie about supernatural deaths,but just something felt
Stephen (29:37):
weird.
I mean, I could see him coveringit up.
I just didn't, I, I, I likedDavid too much.
I didn't want him
Steve (29:42):
to die if he died, I wanted to see him like suffocate
to death.
I think
Stephen (29:46):
we pretty much saw him suffocating to death.
I
Steve (29:48):
don't know.
I thought that maybe he wasunconscious somewhere.
Stephen (29:51):
Also, I think that bill may have chloroform grace.
In the,
Steve (29:55):
oh, that makes sense.
But again, you have to make yourown head canon because
Stephen (30:00):
Right.
Like I think that she may havegotten sleepy from the weeded
and through the van chloroformher was my guess, because I.
It was too
Steve (30:12):
much.
I mean, whatever.
Yeah.
Now, when Samantha wakes up, thegrave is surrounded by police
and medical personnel retrievingher stepfather's corpse.
Mr.
Owens is announced to have diedof a heart attack while trying
to dispose of Mary banner'sremains and grace remarks to
Samantha that now she's an urbanlegend too, now that half her
family's dead and she'straumatized forever.
And we all laugh because it'strue.
Stephen (30:37):
And also you know, we see a news thing that it finally
comes to light of all the peoplethat were involved in Mary
Banner's, death anddisappearance.
So none of them are gonna get areprieve.
Mary finally gets justice afterall these years, and while there
(30:57):
may be issues with the secondand third of the Urban Legend
series and it's not as strong assome other horror movie,
trilogies and series and things.
It's, this one was still ratherenjoyable.
Kate Mara did a fantastic jobleading the movie.
The spider scene was worth theprice of admission alone.
Steve (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, I love this.
I just, I don't call it urbanlegends.
I call this bloody Maryshenanigans.
Stephen (31:25):
Do you know that was actually the working title.
It
Steve (31:27):
was, they have Urban Legends one and two, and then
they have Bloody Maryshenanigans.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So starting next month, we'regonna be looking ahead into
what's new in pop culture andkeeping us happy.
So if there's a new show thatyou've recently seen on Netflix
or a movie you've seen out intheaters that you think that
we've might have seen as well,and you want to hear us talk
(31:48):
about it or that we should checkout, you can always email us.
You can do that by emailing usat Happy Life pod@gmail.com, or
you
Stephen (31:55):
can get in touch with us on the socials, whether that
is.
Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter.
And we'd love to hear what'sbeen making you happy because we
have a pretty good idea that ifyou find it happy making, we
will too.
And we always wanna spread thehappy around.
Yes.
Steve (32:13):
So until next time, everybody stay happy.
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