January 14, 2024 • 34 mins
Kayla goes into the top ten conspiracies as to why the Titanic sank.
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This podcast discusses true crime, whichmay entell violence, and other material intended
for mature audience. Listener discretion isadvised. Hey, it's Kayla and it's
Lexi, and cue some Celene beyond, because today we are discussing the ten
conspiracy theories of the Titanic. Finally, I'm so excited. Your conspiracy episodes
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are the best. Yeah. Iwas gonna cover like one or two of
them that I found this link thathead ten and I was like, well,
happy birthday to me. Here wego, like like a couple episodes
ago when I was like, ooh, the seven Creepiest Places, and then
I saw the thirteen Creepiest Places,and I was like, there's more,
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but wait, there's more. Restin peace, Billy Mays. You know,
maried like out in Pittsburgh, right, Like we can go visit his
grave, like we can make apilgrimage and leave like oxy clean on his
headstone. I didn't know he wasout in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I mean,
I think he's just outside of Pittsburgh, but like he's in the pittsburghish
area. I wonder if there's likeoxy clean and engraved on his headstone.
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I think it would be really funnyif his headstone said but wait, there's
more. If it's not, theymissed their opportunity, right, all right,
let's dive into this loll pun intended. So many of us know the
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story of the Titanic. She wasone of the largest ocean liners of the
time who hid an iceberg on Aprilfourteenth, nineteen twelve, and had met
an unfortunate ending during the night aftersinking for two hours and forty minutes,
which, by the way, meand my friend at work were discussing this,
we thought it was like over likesix hours, eight hours something like
that. Two hours. Yeah,it seems like a it seems like a
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long time, but like that wasa big ship. That's a that's a
Marvel movie basically, yeah, likethat's that's not a long time, which
I thought it was longer. Yeah, I thought it was longer than that
too for some reason. Two anda half hour okay, yeah, yeah.
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So it is unknown the exact numberof lives lost due to poor record
keeping, but an estimated twenty twohundred people were on the ship, but
it is believed that roughly fifteen hundredpeople perished on the ship, while around
seven hundred survived. The crew sufferedthe most as they lost seven hundred people,
and third class also suffered greatly,as only one hundred and seventy four
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out of seven hundred and ten peoplesurvived. Wow. Yeah. One of
the issues being that she didn't haveenough boats for every person on the ship,
even though it was carrying more thanwas legally required. So that's one
of the things, Like, yeah, that's one of the things that people
talk about is oh, they didn'thave enough boats, didn't have enough boats,
but like she had, she hadmore boats that was legally required at
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the time. Yeah, Like that'scrazy to me. I feel like maybe
the laws around how many life boats. Okay, sorry, my cat,
you two stop, get along.I'm so sorry. My cat and my
dog were having a moment kids onthe phone exactly, So apologies for any
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of the background noise. That wasmy my perfect angel cat who's never done
anything wrong in her entire life,and my dog who gets one thought every
three to five business days. Idon't remember what I was initially saying to
you. I'm talking about boats,something about boats. Oh yeah, I
feel like, you know, thelaws should be like, hey, you
should have enough boats for how manypeople you're putting on the ship, you
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know, like like, don't makeit like it's the laws now. Oh
good, but yay. I don'tknow boat laws, but I think today's
laws would say, hey, youneed to have as many boats as you
have people. If we have anyboat lawyers, let us know, any
sailors, just let me know,Just send us an email, send us
a telegram. Since her discovery,there have been many theories as to why
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she's saying besides simply hitting the iceberg. So the first one people think that
it was an inside job to collectinsurance money. So okay, yeah.
So the theory claims that, insteadof the actual Titanic sinking, that the
ship was replaced with its sister ship, the Olympic. It starts up by
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saying that the Olympic was damaged whilesailing from Southampton, England, to New
York in September nineteen eleven and hadto return to Harlan and Wolf's shipping yard
and Belfast for repairs. After therepairs had sailed to New York and back,
returning to Belfast for repairs in Marchnineteen twelve, a few weeks before
the Titanic sailed. This theory claimsthat the ship was too damaged to be
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profitable, so they switched with theTitanic to get rid of it and collect
insurance money. Both ships were ownedby the International Mercantile Marine Group, controlled
by the banker JP Morgan. Thetheory also states that people weren't supposed to
die, that they were there tohelp, that they were to get help
before the ship actually sunk. Ohoh no, did not go as planned?
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No, yeah, truly theory.So why it's improbable? So the
parts of the Titanic were labeled fouroh one and the Olympic was four hundred.
The parts found in the ocean allset four oh one, and there
was also I couldn't find it again. But when I looked at this theory
months ago, there was an articlethat broke down the Olympic and the Titanic,
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whereas the windows were shaped differently onlyin the Olympic versus the Titanic.
Oh, okay, so this couldhave been changed, But to me,
it seems improbable that they changed thenumbers on every single piece because that's a
lot of boat pieces. Yeah.Also, it would be impossible to know
if the ship would sink before orafter everyone was saved or not. That's
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kind of something you can't really foretell. Yeah, that's true. Like that's
a massive gamble to take just forsome insurance money. Because even if you
won the insurance money, I mean, I'm sure the legal payout would I
mean, take you back to squareone. Yeah. So the main reason
this theory seems improbable is that theTitanic was actually severely under insured. So
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the boat itself was worth seven pointfive million, but only insured for five
million, and was insured for lessthan the value of the Olympic was insured.
So there really wouldn't be a payouteven if this was real. Yeah,
I wonder if that's like I wonderif that's a tantamount to like they're
because they were so confident that theTitanic was unsinkable, you know. I
wonder if that was why they werelike, oh, so we don't need
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insurance for what it's worth because it'sjust not gonna sink. Yeah, probably
like that was there. I thinkthey just full on jinks that ship,
saying oh she's unsinkable, she'll neversee the bottom of the ocean, and
then but that ice. Ah.So my take on this is that this
theory is very interesting and makes youthink, but I don't think it's what
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happened to the ship with too muchevidence against it. So conspiracy number two,
it was a murder plot to takeout JP Morgan's enemies. Yeah,
okay, I'm keeping an open mind. So the theory states that JP Morgan
wants to create a US Federal ReserveBank that was opposed by his rivals,
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the millionaires John Jacob Aster, BenjaminGuggenheim, and Macy's is a door Strauss.
All three of these men had perishedon the ship, Okay, so
why it's improbable there would be noway to guarantee that they would all die
during the sinking. Also, itwas not confirmed or denied that they had
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any interest in the reserve in thefirst place. So okay, yeah,
Like it's an interesting theory. Yeah, but it's just you know, just
to take out like what three orfour people. Yeah, I'm like,
think whole ship. What did theydo plant the iceberg? That's what I'm
saying. Like, if you're you'rerich, I'm sure you can get away
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with murder in other ways. Backthen, I'm sure you could figure something
out. Right, Yeah, youreally wanted that reserve like like our hit
men, that's scarce nineteen twelve England. Probably not alrighty, So conspiracy number
three there was a curse to mommyon board was a cursed was I love
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ancient mommy curses. Let's go returnthe slab? Like, please tell me
you saw those memes of I thinkit was Hudder Schaeffer at the Golden Globes
where she had that dress with thewith the like this I don't know how
to describe it like chiffon streamers,and it was a really pretty dress.
But people were making memes about likereturning the slas. No, I didn't.
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I didn't see that. It wasso funny. Oh my god,
that episode gave me night terrors asa child. But looking at me,
I was like, it's the worstcgi I've ever seen in my life.
Why was that so universally terrifying tous? Like, I feel like we
need to do a whole episode onthe King Ramses episode of uh but what's
the show called the Cowardly Dog?My god? So the theory goes is
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it's basically is what it is.They believed that the ship was transporting a
cursed mummy of an Egyptian princess amongall the cargo, as one does,
as one does, So why it'simprobable there was no mummy found in the
wreckage? Okay, yeah, Imean maybe because it was cursed, maybe
it disappeared swam. So my takeis, I don't think that this is
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where the ships sunk, especially ifthere was no mummy on board to begin
with. But I mean, whoknows. Maybe like they just couldn't find
it, Maybe it floated away.Maybe I don't. Can you imagine you're
just like on a fishing boat orsomething, and you like trawl in a
mummy. I would never fish again. I would never pick up a pole
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in my life. Right, You'relike, I'm done after this. That's
not a good omen. So thisnext one's kind of like my favorite one
because I I kind of I kindof vibe with it. So it's that
German U boats torpedoed the Titanic.Okay, all right, So the theory
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goes that some survivors reported seeing avessel a few miles away early in the
morning. They also said that theynever felt any impact or heard the iceberg
hit, suggesting it was not asserious as it was made out to be.
Huh, but suggesting I love that, suggesting it wasn't as serious as
it made out to be. Itonly sunk a massive cruise liner. It's
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not that deep, I think though, Like a couple articles I read like
a lot of people didn't feel itlike it's the deep, you're deep in
the boat because it only like peopledwith the star but basically raped. Like.
The issue is that it was solongitudinal that if it only punctured one
chamber the Titanic would have been fine, but it ripped through like five of
them or something. Mm hmm.Yeah. But they reported to hearing four
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explosions deep in the ship after thecollision. Also, when the ship was
discovered, it was found that sixrivets had popped off, suggesting that it
was bad workmanship leading to its demise, but that it was only twelve square
feet, which is hardly enough tosink it. People in lifeboats saw a
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ship that they thought was the Californian, and Captain Stanley of the Californian,
uh said that it wasn't and thatthere was another ship in between the Californian
and the Titanic. Several of thesesailors, yeah, so several of these
sailors said that they saw a vesselfive to six miles away at two am,
possibly a submarine. So I wantyou to google German U boat so
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you can see it kind of lookslike a submarine. German you boat,
you boat, you boat boat.Oh my god, autocorrect just changed boat
to like four different words. Ohright, m yep, that looks very
submarine. Yeah, it's like veryThe best I can describe at you guys,
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is like it's a very low ship. It's not like a big doesn't
have a big deck at the topof a submarine peak, but peeping out
of the water people standing there.Yeah. Yeah, like shark finning almost.
Yeah. However, critics of thistheory said that in nineteen fifteen,
when German yubuts attacked the r MissLucitiana, it's sank in eighteen minutes,
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not two hours like the Titanic.M yeah, because I mean it's it's
not like those things are designed tosink ships slowly. M hm. So
why it's improbable. I couldnt findany actual interviews of the people who claim
they saw the submarine type ship orheard the explosions. It was just like
an article that said the theory statesthis. Yeah, so there wasn't like
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actual interview paperwork. Also, yeah, they did say that Lucitiana sunk a
lot faster when hit, which ifa torpedo hit it four times, I'm
sure it would have sunk faster maybedepending on where it was hit. Yeah,
I don't know. I'd we don'tknow a lot about like bolt warfare,
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so like I could probably be convincedof this, and I'd be like,
I don't know anything about submarines orbolt physics. So that sounds right,
that sounds pausible to me. Theextent of my knowledge is battleship,
so and I'm really bad at thatgame. Yeah. Same. So my
take is that this theory is,in my opinion, a probable theory and
should be looked into a little bitmore. It doesn't say why they would
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be attacked, but if there wereclaims of multiple people saying they saw another
ship, I think it's worth wonderingabout. So the next theory is that
they were sabotaged by Harlan and wolfworkers. The theory is is that some
people were angry that the ship's numberswere three nine zero nine space zero four.
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Because backwards, it reads no popein that effect, the more religious
workers making them odd, yeah,making man making them want to sabotage the
ship, making it cheaply with poorworkman ships, so that it would sink.
I feel like even if it didsay that the pope would not want
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you to sink a boat. Ithink so, you know, I think
maybe the Pope seems reasonable enough tobe like, don't sink a boat because
of some numbers, thou shalt notsink ships. Why, it's improbable,
It just doesn't make sense. Thenumbers only mean the number of the ship,
not to demean the pope. Andmy take is that it's just the
dead of the theory. I don'tI don't know. That's like, like
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that one sucks real hard. Likethere's so many things that people do that
are genuinely like much more anti Catholicthan some accidental numbers. So and people
do a lot less, you know, than sink boats, Like I just
that's a lot. That's a lotfor very little reward. Let's see here.
The next one is substandard rivets wereused to cut costs. The theory
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is that when making the ship,Harland and Wolf use subpar materials to construct
the ship, which I mean theycould have I wasn't there a couple of
these. There's another one too thatwe'll go into saying that they did use
like not the best best materials.That they use the materials, but like
not top notch. Okay, Somy take is that this one could be
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probable subparm materials would not hold upwhen confronted with the damage of an iceberg.
Yeah, that makes like, thatmakes sense to me. The next
one is Captain Edward Smith was underpressure to create a new speed record,
which I have heard this one throughoutthe years. I don't know if you've
heard this, is that like hewas like under pressure, like he was
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because it was the fast it wassupposed to be the fastest ship, the
best ship, unsinkable. She wassupposed to go Yeah, so far.
So he was under all this pressure, so he disregarded any safety precaution to
speed through the ocean. So thisone, to me seemed improbable because the
ship was going twenty one to twentytwo knots and its max speed is twenty
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three to twenty four knots. Sowouldn't it be going to its full potential
if this was the case. Yeah, like it would have to be like
he'd literally have to be flooring it. M hm. So my take is
that I don't believe in this theory. A ship can only go so fast,
and I don't think a captain beso devout to break a record that
they would disregard safety for it.Yeah alright, So the next one is
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that official inquiries into the ship's sinkingwhere a Freemason's whitewash. The theory goes,
okay, all right, yeah,I should expect the free Freemasons to
make an appearance. Yeah. Sothe American investigation found the sinking to be
an act of God. The Britishinquiry found it to be caused by the
iceberg quote brought about by the excessivespeed at which the ship was being navigated
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end quote, which I guess theship from another theory we're going too was
going pretty fast for icebergs, butlike it was common for ships to go
that fast through an iceberg infested fieldwithout like throwing caro too the wind.
Really, yeah, that's the thingI did. They were like, oh,
look at all these massive icebergs.That's fine. The nineteen hundreds were
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wild people. Wonder why I don'tlike cruises. So this inquiry also decided
that there was no truth to theallegations that third class people were being locked
below deck as shown in the movieand accused of. So I guess they
were accused, like if you evensee it in the movie, like where
they're shutting the gates and locking peoplein like they were. So I don't
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know if they actually did that ornot. This inquiry is saying they didn't.
Yeah, but I don't know ifI didn't look into like if survivor
said they did see people being lockeddown, it would kind of, I
guess, kind of explain also whythird class passengers were the most deceased.
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I mean, granted they also weren'tgoing on the boats like the first class
ones were, because the first classwas obviously going to be Yeah, because
they were, I mean they werecloser to the boats too, right,
Yeah. Yeah. A list offreemasons were set to be released, including
those who oversaw the Titanic's inquiry.So the list of freemasons would be the
head of the inquiry, John CharlesBrigham, the then president of the Board
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of Trade, Sydney Buxton, toexpert assessors, naval architecture specialists, Professor
John Harvey Biles and senior engineer AssessorEdward Chasten and Lord Prime Chairman of Harland
and Wolfe who built the Titanic.Okay, so it was called a whitewash
as it would exonerate those involved withthe ship. So anybody that was had
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any hand in creating the ship wouldhave no legal issues whatsoever if they were
freemasons. Hmm. Okay. CaptainSmith was exonerated on grounds that other ships
sped through icebergs with no consequences,as I said before, which blows my
mind a little bit. Yeah,that's nuts. So, I mean my
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take is that this doesn't really explainwhy the ship would sink, unless I
guess like they were trying to preventthat list from coming out. But it's
interesting that these people were accused ofbeing freemasons and would be exonerated. So
I think this theory has a littlebit of backbone to it. Okay,
I mean, I guess if theyalso were the people that had a hand
in like making the boat. Idon't know why stone masons would have a
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hand in making a boat though,unless they do, unless I don't know
whether there were stones and boats.Yeah, I don't feels a different guy.
Oh, let's see here. Sothe next up is the coal fire
theory. The theories is that Roberteisen High, an Ohio State University engineer,
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thinks that a pile of stored coalcould have been smoldering so that it
was added to the furnace to reducefire danger, leading to the unsaved speeds
helping to sink the ship. Peoplealso think that the iceberg hit where it
was weakened by the coal fire justsitting there smoldering. Modern ships have two
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hulls, and the Titanic had one, so because the bunkers and cruise stored
coal set next to the hull,heat would have damaged the structure, making
it so whenever the iceberg hit it, it would just fall apart, like
disintegrate basically. And this could alsogo back into using subpart materials. So
if like they're giving subpar materials andthen they have this coal just sitting there
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smoldering the metal to a degree,maybe that would like weaken it and then
the iceberg would hit it. SoI take is that it's a believable theory,
and it goes into the theory thatthe ship was made with subper materials
making it weakened all right. Andlast, but not least, is the
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perfect storm theory. This one's kindof a long one. So storm theory,
all right, I'm buckled in,alrighty. So the perfect storm theory
is the idea that there were manythings going on at once to create the
environment for the ship to sink.To start, there was a switch of
officers, so David Blair was replaced, and when he left, he took
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with him the keys to the binocularsthat would be used by the Crow's Nest
to be able to see further outinto the ocean. I don't know if
he kept these just to keep them, or if he accidentally took them,
but either way, like if you'rein the crow's nest, you would need
those to be able to see likethe icebergs coming. That's the whole point
the Crow's nest, Yeah, exactly. So who knows if this act alone
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could have prevented the collision. Itcould have. Also the most senior operator,
Jack Phillips, had not passed onthe fifth and most important ice warning
of the day from the SS Missabathat gave the precise location of an area
of icebergs at nine forty pm,and we're fifty miles ahead of the Titanic.
Okay, the message read quote sawa great number large icebergs, also
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field ice weather clear end quote.But it was not prefixed with MSG which
meant Master's service Graham, which Ihave, Yeah, which what I required
personal acknowledgment from the captain. ButPhillips reported it as non urgent in returned
to sending passenger messages before going outof range. Okay, so that I
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originally think he meant mono sodium gluetomate, And I was like, what
is that doing here? Like thatone? Like, I don't understand how
that's non urgent. If someone's tellingyou I saw a large number of icebergs
ahead, right, that seems relativelyurgent. Yeah, seems a little important,
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especially since before you go out ofrange to where people can't send you
messages. Yes, exactly. Also, as mentioned in the movie, the
ship cannot continue to float if morethan four out of the sixteen compartments were
to be filled with water, andsix of them were filled yep. The
rivets were also not of uniform compositionor quality and had not been inserted in
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a uniform fashion. They use whatwas considered the best but not the best
best that could have been used.This increased the concentration of slag in the
rivets. So slag is just likeleftover metals that they just kind of slept
together. Yeah, kind of justlike the hot dog of metal, like
just take parts and throw it togetherat all. That's unfortunately the best way
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to describe it, not the hotdog. So this makes them vulnerable to
s stresses, making them pop offeasily. So not only all of this,
but new research raises the possibility ofcelestial effects to the ship. Celestial
effects celestial the Sun and the Moonare coming into play. Oh my god,
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I'm so excited. So on Januaryfourth, nineteen twelve, the Sun
aligned with the Moon in a waythat enhanced the gravitational pool, causing higher
than normal spring tides. The sameday, the Moon was at its closest
to Earth and more than fourteen hundredyears, causing tides to rise at maximum
Earth had also reached its closest positionto the Sun the day before, which
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could have effected the position of icebergsthat were normally stuck, causing them to
become more buoyant and floating on theirway towards where the ship would be sailing.
So I guess there's like this areain the ocean where icebergs like float
along and then it's so shallow theyget stuck. So being that there was
more gravitational pool, the water gothigher, icebergs floated up from the stuck
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and went on their merria way towhere the Titanic was going to be.
Okay, So my take on thisis is that I think this theory is
very probable and takes a lot ofissues into consideration, and that's yeah,
I think so that it makes themost sense to me, and it almost
doesn't feel like a conspiracy theory.It feels very like that sounds like that's
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what happened. Yeah, it justsounds like like I don't know, Like
I feel like more than just ithitting the iceberg came into play when it
came to the Titanic. I feellike there had have been other factors that
could have been just weakened metal.There could have been like lack of communication,
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the lack of the binoculars. Yeah, just so many things came into
play. And that is my listof all my Titanic theories. I hit
a button, so there might bea very brief period where my audio is
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funky wonky compared to yours. Mypot like for like three seconds, but
we're good. I like that wefinished with the most reasonable one. Some
of those were I like the CurseMummy one the best. That's my favorite.
That's the dumbest feeling, my favorite. This was actually a lot more
interesting than I thought. I didn'trealize there's so many conspiracy theories. I
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was like, Okay, obviously there'sgonna be something ridiculous like the Curse Mummy,
um insurance fraud, Sure, whywouldn't that play into it? And
then the perfect storm conspiracy. I'mlike, hey, okay, that one
actually has me convinced. That onetotally has me convinced. Yeah, and
like that one, I just feellike that has to be it. Like,
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there's just so many things like thisone. I don't think was speculated
that they didn't receive the message orspeculated that they didn't have binoculars. I
mean, I think the most speculatedwould be the storm part of it.
Yeah, that makes the most sense. But like, because I think like
that one might be a bit ofa stretch, but I mean it's not
unheard of that the sun and themoon caused exactly exactly, and that and
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that uncommon lunar activity can cause reallyweird stuff to happen. For sure.
That was really good. I reallyliked that episode. That was a lot
of fun. I don't think Ihave anything else to add. I think
that was a great episode. Ididn't know any of those, so that
was that was great. I don'tknow how you find these conspiracy theories,
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truly, but keep them coming.I love them a lot of swimming,
honestly. You know, you knowwhat rabbit hole I went down recently on
the internet is the Chicago rat hole. It's not it's it's not even a
conspiracy period. It's it's a squirrelthat I found. Apparently, it's a
squirrel hole, not the rat hole. A squirrel that like fell into the
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pavement while they were setting it andthen like scampered off. So now there's
just this permanent like hole in theshape of a rat, just like somewhere
in Chicago. But I can't doa whole episode on the Chicago rat hole.
That's it. That's the episode.There's a hole in the shape of
a rat or squirrel, depending onwho you ask, in Chicago and people
go visit it and they go,there's the rat Hole, and then they
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do other stuff in Chicago, probablygonna deep his pizza, they serve it
in the rat Hole. Well that'swhat's in Chicago, Fallout Boy, deep
Dish Pizza and the rat Hole.That'slet's hierarchy of needs. Oh my gosh,
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I keep hearing this. I don'tknow if it's true or not.
Are they making a movie of OceanGate? Like we're gonna have a Titanic
sequel that's gonna be a really abruptending to the movie. I don't know
how long you can make a movieof it, Like it just cuts off
somedly, Like I'm here, Ifeel bad making that joke. But I
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don't know. I haven't heard that, so I cannot confirm Nords and I
when or not they're making an OceanGate movie. Let me just I'm doing
a quick, quick goog movie aboutocean movie about Ocean Gates, tightened submersible
tragedy and works from Blackening producer E. Briant Dobbins and mind Ryan Entertainment.
Are you kidding me? When wegot out with Dear David movie, That's
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what I want to know how doI have to dear David movie? Because
Ocean Gate I just did movie sobadly. So when I first heard of
the submersible, I thought it waslike an actual submarine, and I was
like, oh my gosh, thesepeople how I thought it was like a
legit submarine, legit program and theygot lost. Then I find out,
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oh, it was controlled by anX. Yeah. Apparently there wasn't even
like a window to the submersible,so you looked at it through a screen
anyway. And I was like,can't you just do that like for House
with VR, like like in you'relike in you're in the bomb of the
ocean freezing. There's no toilet right, like I don't know, And I
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really felt bad, Like there wasa I think there's like a seventeen year
old nineteen Yeah, he he waskind of pressured to go on by his
stepdad, which I feel, yeah, being pressured by like you're a millionaire
and you've read that whole thing andyou thought you were invincible, and then
to like and then to like pressure, like to pressure you can't do it,
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your step canna do it. That'syeah, that sucks, that's awful.
But yeah, I guess they're makinga movie about it. They already
Meane, here's the thing. Theyalready made a sequel to Titanic. Like,
there's already Titanic too. I'm prettysure. Yeah, unless it's like
unless I'm having like a Mandela effectmoment. But like, what was this
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sequel about? Like another? Didthey sink the ship again? Like?
What do we eh? Titanic too? A supernatural horror themed sequel, titan
Way sixty six, was related lateron April fifteen. I'm about to eat
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my microphone. I can't handle thisright now. Oh my god, oh
my god. There is there's atitan It's a horror sequel. It's a
horror supernatural sequel. We can let'ssee if you can watch the supernatural Titanic
Horror is free. I don't.I don't have any of these things that
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you can watch it on. I'mso upset. If anybody has like a
Roque, I think I have Hulua Voodoo that's not on Hulu. It's
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This podcast discusses true crime, whichmay entell violence, and other material intended
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Lexi, and cue some Celene beyond, because today we are discussing the ten
conspiracy theories of the Titanic. Finally, I'm so excited. Your conspiracy episodes
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are the best. Yeah. Iwas gonna cover like one or two of
them that I found this link thathead ten and I was like, well,
happy birthday to me. Here wego, like like a couple episodes
ago when I was like, ooh, the seven Creepiest Places, and then
I saw the thirteen Creepiest Places,and I was like, there's more,
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but wait, there's more. Restin peace, Billy Mays. You know,
maried like out in Pittsburgh, right, Like we can go visit his
grave, like we can make apilgrimage and leave like oxy clean on his
headstone. I didn't know he wasout in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I mean,
I think he's just outside of Pittsburgh, but like he's in the pittsburghish
area. I wonder if there's likeoxy clean and engraved on his headstone.
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I think it would be really funnyif his headstone said but wait, there's
more. If it's not, theymissed their opportunity, right, all right,
let's dive into this loll pun intended. So many of us know the
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story of the Titanic. She wasone of the largest ocean liners of the
time who hid an iceberg on Aprilfourteenth, nineteen twelve, and had met
an unfortunate ending during the night aftersinking for two hours and forty minutes,
which, by the way, meand my friend at work were discussing this,
we thought it was like over likesix hours, eight hours something like
that. Two hours. Yeah,it seems like a it seems like a
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long time, but like that wasa big ship. That's a that's a
Marvel movie basically, yeah, likethat's that's not a long time, which
I thought it was longer. Yeah, I thought it was longer than that
too for some reason. Two anda half hour okay, yeah, yeah.
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So it is unknown the exact numberof lives lost due to poor record
keeping, but an estimated twenty twohundred people were on the ship, but
it is believed that roughly fifteen hundredpeople perished on the ship, while around
seven hundred survived. The crew sufferedthe most as they lost seven hundred people,
and third class also suffered greatly,as only one hundred and seventy four
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out of seven hundred and ten peoplesurvived. Wow. Yeah. One of
the issues being that she didn't haveenough boats for every person on the ship,
even though it was carrying more thanwas legally required. So that's one
of the things, Like, yeah, that's one of the things that people
talk about is oh, they didn'thave enough boats, didn't have enough boats,
but like she had, she hadmore boats that was legally required at
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the time. Yeah, Like that'scrazy to me. I feel like maybe
the laws around how many life boats. Okay, sorry, my cat,
you two stop, get along.I'm so sorry. My cat and my
dog were having a moment kids onthe phone exactly, So apologies for any
(03:38):
of the background noise. That wasmy my perfect angel cat who's never done
anything wrong in her entire life,and my dog who gets one thought every
three to five business days. Idon't remember what I was initially saying to
you. I'm talking about boats,something about boats. Oh yeah, I
feel like, you know, thelaws should be like, hey, you
should have enough boats for how manypeople you're putting on the ship, you
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know, like like, don't makeit like it's the laws now. Oh
good, but yay. I don'tknow boat laws, but I think today's
laws would say, hey, youneed to have as many boats as you
have people. If we have anyboat lawyers, let us know, any
sailors, just let me know,Just send us an email, send us
a telegram. Since her discovery,there have been many theories as to why
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she's saying besides simply hitting the iceberg. So the first one people think that
it was an inside job to collectinsurance money. So okay, yeah.
So the theory claims that, insteadof the actual Titanic sinking, that the
ship was replaced with its sister ship, the Olympic. It starts up by
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saying that the Olympic was damaged whilesailing from Southampton, England, to New
York in September nineteen eleven and hadto return to Harlan and Wolf's shipping yard
and Belfast for repairs. After therepairs had sailed to New York and back,
returning to Belfast for repairs in Marchnineteen twelve, a few weeks before
the Titanic sailed. This theory claimsthat the ship was too damaged to be
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profitable, so they switched with theTitanic to get rid of it and collect
insurance money. Both ships were ownedby the International Mercantile Marine Group, controlled
by the banker JP Morgan. Thetheory also states that people weren't supposed to
die, that they were there tohelp, that they were to get help
before the ship actually sunk. Ohoh no, did not go as planned?
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No, yeah, truly theory.So why it's improbable? So the
parts of the Titanic were labeled fouroh one and the Olympic was four hundred.
The parts found in the ocean allset four oh one, and there
was also I couldn't find it again. But when I looked at this theory
months ago, there was an articlethat broke down the Olympic and the Titanic,
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whereas the windows were shaped differently onlyin the Olympic versus the Titanic.
Oh, okay, so this couldhave been changed, But to me,
it seems improbable that they changed thenumbers on every single piece because that's a
lot of boat pieces. Yeah.Also, it would be impossible to know
if the ship would sink before orafter everyone was saved or not. That's
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kind of something you can't really foretell. Yeah, that's true. Like that's
a massive gamble to take just forsome insurance money. Because even if you
won the insurance money, I mean, I'm sure the legal payout would I
mean, take you back to squareone. Yeah. So the main reason
this theory seems improbable is that theTitanic was actually severely under insured. So
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the boat itself was worth seven pointfive million, but only insured for five
million, and was insured for lessthan the value of the Olympic was insured.
So there really wouldn't be a payouteven if this was real. Yeah,
I wonder if that's like I wonderif that's a tantamount to like they're
because they were so confident that theTitanic was unsinkable, you know. I
wonder if that was why they werelike, oh, so we don't need
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insurance for what it's worth because it'sjust not gonna sink. Yeah, probably
like that was there. I thinkthey just full on jinks that ship,
saying oh she's unsinkable, she'll neversee the bottom of the ocean, and
then but that ice. Ah.So my take on this is that this
theory is very interesting and makes youthink, but I don't think it's what
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happened to the ship with too muchevidence against it. So conspiracy number two,
it was a murder plot to takeout JP Morgan's enemies. Yeah,
okay, I'm keeping an open mind. So the theory states that JP Morgan
wants to create a US Federal ReserveBank that was opposed by his rivals,
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the millionaires John Jacob Aster, BenjaminGuggenheim, and Macy's is a door Strauss.
All three of these men had perishedon the ship, Okay, so
why it's improbable there would be noway to guarantee that they would all die
during the sinking. Also, itwas not confirmed or denied that they had
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any interest in the reserve in thefirst place. So okay, yeah,
Like it's an interesting theory. Yeah, but it's just you know, just
to take out like what three orfour people. Yeah, I'm like,
think whole ship. What did theydo plant the iceberg? That's what I'm
saying. Like, if you're you'rerich, I'm sure you can get away
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with murder in other ways. Backthen, I'm sure you could figure something
out. Right, Yeah, youreally wanted that reserve like like our hit
men, that's scarce nineteen twelve England. Probably not alrighty, So conspiracy number
three there was a curse to mommyon board was a cursed was I love
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ancient mommy curses. Let's go returnthe slab? Like, please tell me
you saw those memes of I thinkit was Hudder Schaeffer at the Golden Globes
where she had that dress with thewith the like this I don't know how
to describe it like chiffon streamers,and it was a really pretty dress.
But people were making memes about likereturning the slas. No, I didn't.
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I didn't see that. It wasso funny. Oh my god,
that episode gave me night terrors asa child. But looking at me,
I was like, it's the worstcgi I've ever seen in my life.
Why was that so universally terrifying tous? Like, I feel like we
need to do a whole episode onthe King Ramses episode of uh but what's
the show called the Cowardly Dog?My god? So the theory goes is
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it's basically is what it is.They believed that the ship was transporting a
cursed mummy of an Egyptian princess amongall the cargo, as one does,
as one does, So why it'simprobable there was no mummy found in the
wreckage? Okay, yeah, Imean maybe because it was cursed, maybe
it disappeared swam. So my takeis, I don't think that this is
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where the ships sunk, especially ifthere was no mummy on board to begin
with. But I mean, whoknows. Maybe like they just couldn't find
it, Maybe it floated away.Maybe I don't. Can you imagine you're
just like on a fishing boat orsomething, and you like trawl in a
mummy. I would never fish again. I would never pick up a pole
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in my life. Right, You'relike, I'm done after this. That's
not a good omen. So thisnext one's kind of like my favorite one
because I I kind of I kindof vibe with it. So it's that
German U boats torpedoed the Titanic.Okay, all right, So the theory
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goes that some survivors reported seeing avessel a few miles away early in the
morning. They also said that theynever felt any impact or heard the iceberg
hit, suggesting it was not asserious as it was made out to be.
Huh, but suggesting I love that, suggesting it wasn't as serious as
it made out to be. Itonly sunk a massive cruise liner. It's
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not that deep, I think though, Like a couple articles I read like
a lot of people didn't feel itlike it's the deep, you're deep in
the boat because it only like peopledwith the star but basically raped. Like.
The issue is that it was solongitudinal that if it only punctured one
chamber the Titanic would have been fine, but it ripped through like five of
them or something. Mm hmm.Yeah. But they reported to hearing four
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explosions deep in the ship after thecollision. Also, when the ship was
discovered, it was found that sixrivets had popped off, suggesting that it
was bad workmanship leading to its demise, but that it was only twelve square
feet, which is hardly enough tosink it. People in lifeboats saw a
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ship that they thought was the Californian, and Captain Stanley of the Californian,
uh said that it wasn't and thatthere was another ship in between the Californian
and the Titanic. Several of thesesailors, yeah, so several of these
sailors said that they saw a vesselfive to six miles away at two am,
possibly a submarine. So I wantyou to google German U boat so
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you can see it kind of lookslike a submarine. German you boat,
you boat, you boat boat.Oh my god, autocorrect just changed boat
to like four different words. Ohright, m yep, that looks very
submarine. Yeah, it's like veryThe best I can describe at you guys,
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is like it's a very low ship. It's not like a big doesn't
have a big deck at the topof a submarine peak, but peeping out
of the water people standing there.Yeah. Yeah, like shark finning almost.
Yeah. However, critics of thistheory said that in nineteen fifteen,
when German yubuts attacked the r MissLucitiana, it's sank in eighteen minutes,
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not two hours like the Titanic.M yeah, because I mean it's it's
not like those things are designed tosink ships slowly. M hm. So
why it's improbable. I couldnt findany actual interviews of the people who claim
they saw the submarine type ship orheard the explosions. It was just like
an article that said the theory statesthis. Yeah, so there wasn't like
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actual interview paperwork. Also, yeah, they did say that Lucitiana sunk a
lot faster when hit, which ifa torpedo hit it four times, I'm
sure it would have sunk faster maybedepending on where it was hit. Yeah,
I don't know. I'd we don'tknow a lot about like bolt warfare,
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so like I could probably be convincedof this, and I'd be like,
I don't know anything about submarines orbolt physics. So that sounds right,
that sounds pausible to me. Theextent of my knowledge is battleship,
so and I'm really bad at thatgame. Yeah. Same. So my
take is that this theory is,in my opinion, a probable theory and
should be looked into a little bitmore. It doesn't say why they would
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be attacked, but if there wereclaims of multiple people saying they saw another
ship, I think it's worth wonderingabout. So the next theory is that
they were sabotaged by Harlan and wolfworkers. The theory is is that some
people were angry that the ship's numberswere three nine zero nine space zero four.
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Because backwards, it reads no popein that effect, the more religious
workers making them odd, yeah,making man making them want to sabotage the
ship, making it cheaply with poorworkman ships, so that it would sink.
I feel like even if it didsay that the pope would not want
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you to sink a boat. Ithink so, you know, I think
maybe the Pope seems reasonable enough tobe like, don't sink a boat because
of some numbers, thou shalt notsink ships. Why, it's improbable,
It just doesn't make sense. Thenumbers only mean the number of the ship,
not to demean the pope. Andmy take is that it's just the
dead of the theory. I don'tI don't know. That's like, like
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that one sucks real hard. Likethere's so many things that people do that
are genuinely like much more anti Catholicthan some accidental numbers. So and people
do a lot less, you know, than sink boats, Like I just
that's a lot. That's a lotfor very little reward. Let's see here.
The next one is substandard rivets wereused to cut costs. The theory
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is that when making the ship,Harland and Wolf use subpar materials to construct
the ship, which I mean theycould have I wasn't there a couple of
these. There's another one too thatwe'll go into saying that they did use
like not the best best materials.That they use the materials, but like
not top notch. Okay, Somy take is that this one could be
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probable subparm materials would not hold upwhen confronted with the damage of an iceberg.
Yeah, that makes like, thatmakes sense to me. The next
one is Captain Edward Smith was underpressure to create a new speed record,
which I have heard this one throughoutthe years. I don't know if you've
heard this, is that like hewas like under pressure, like he was
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because it was the fast it wassupposed to be the fastest ship, the
best ship, unsinkable. She wassupposed to go Yeah, so far.
So he was under all this pressure, so he disregarded any safety precaution to
speed through the ocean. So thisone, to me seemed improbable because the
ship was going twenty one to twentytwo knots and its max speed is twenty
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three to twenty four knots. Sowouldn't it be going to its full potential
if this was the case. Yeah, like it would have to be like
he'd literally have to be flooring it. M hm. So my take is
that I don't believe in this theory. A ship can only go so fast,
and I don't think a captain beso devout to break a record that
they would disregard safety for it.Yeah alright, So the next one is
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that official inquiries into the ship's sinkingwhere a Freemason's whitewash. The theory goes,
okay, all right, yeah,I should expect the free Freemasons to
make an appearance. Yeah. Sothe American investigation found the sinking to be
an act of God. The Britishinquiry found it to be caused by the
iceberg quote brought about by the excessivespeed at which the ship was being navigated
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end quote, which I guess theship from another theory we're going too was
going pretty fast for icebergs, butlike it was common for ships to go
that fast through an iceberg infested fieldwithout like throwing caro too the wind.
Really, yeah, that's the thingI did. They were like, oh,
look at all these massive icebergs.That's fine. The nineteen hundreds were
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wild people. Wonder why I don'tlike cruises. So this inquiry also decided
that there was no truth to theallegations that third class people were being locked
below deck as shown in the movieand accused of. So I guess they
were accused, like if you evensee it in the movie, like where
they're shutting the gates and locking peoplein like they were. So I don't
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know if they actually did that ornot. This inquiry is saying they didn't.
Yeah, but I don't know ifI didn't look into like if survivor
said they did see people being lockeddown, it would kind of, I
guess, kind of explain also whythird class passengers were the most deceased.
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I mean, granted they also weren'tgoing on the boats like the first class
ones were, because the first classwas obviously going to be Yeah, because
they were, I mean they werecloser to the boats too, right,
Yeah. Yeah. A list offreemasons were set to be released, including
those who oversaw the Titanic's inquiry.So the list of freemasons would be the
head of the inquiry, John CharlesBrigham, the then president of the Board
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of Trade, Sydney Buxton, toexpert assessors, naval architecture specialists, Professor
John Harvey Biles and senior engineer AssessorEdward Chasten and Lord Prime Chairman of Harland
and Wolfe who built the Titanic.Okay, so it was called a whitewash
as it would exonerate those involved withthe ship. So anybody that was had
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any hand in creating the ship wouldhave no legal issues whatsoever if they were
freemasons. Hmm. Okay. CaptainSmith was exonerated on grounds that other ships
sped through icebergs with no consequences,as I said before, which blows my
mind a little bit. Yeah,that's nuts. So, I mean my
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take is that this doesn't really explainwhy the ship would sink, unless I
guess like they were trying to preventthat list from coming out. But it's
interesting that these people were accused ofbeing freemasons and would be exonerated. So
I think this theory has a littlebit of backbone to it. Okay,
I mean, I guess if theyalso were the people that had a hand
in like making the boat. Idon't know why stone masons would have a
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hand in making a boat though,unless they do, unless I don't know
whether there were stones and boats.Yeah, I don't feels a different guy.
Oh, let's see here. Sothe next up is the coal fire
theory. The theories is that Roberteisen High, an Ohio State University engineer,
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thinks that a pile of stored coalcould have been smoldering so that it
was added to the furnace to reducefire danger, leading to the unsaved speeds
helping to sink the ship. Peoplealso think that the iceberg hit where it
was weakened by the coal fire justsitting there smoldering. Modern ships have two
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hulls, and the Titanic had one, so because the bunkers and cruise stored
coal set next to the hull,heat would have damaged the structure, making
it so whenever the iceberg hit it, it would just fall apart, like
disintegrate basically. And this could alsogo back into using subpart materials. So
if like they're giving subpar materials andthen they have this coal just sitting there
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smoldering the metal to a degree,maybe that would like weaken it and then
the iceberg would hit it. SoI take is that it's a believable theory,
and it goes into the theory thatthe ship was made with subper materials
making it weakened all right. Andlast, but not least, is the
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perfect storm theory. This one's kindof a long one. So storm theory,
all right, I'm buckled in,alrighty. So the perfect storm theory
is the idea that there were manythings going on at once to create the
environment for the ship to sink.To start, there was a switch of
officers, so David Blair was replaced, and when he left, he took
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with him the keys to the binocularsthat would be used by the Crow's Nest
to be able to see further outinto the ocean. I don't know if
he kept these just to keep them, or if he accidentally took them,
but either way, like if you'rein the crow's nest, you would need
those to be able to see likethe icebergs coming. That's the whole point
the Crow's nest, Yeah, exactly. So who knows if this act alone
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could have prevented the collision. Itcould have. Also the most senior operator,
Jack Phillips, had not passed onthe fifth and most important ice warning
of the day from the SS Missabathat gave the precise location of an area
of icebergs at nine forty pm,and we're fifty miles ahead of the Titanic.
Okay, the message read quote sawa great number large icebergs, also
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field ice weather clear end quote.But it was not prefixed with MSG which
meant Master's service Graham, which Ihave, Yeah, which what I required
personal acknowledgment from the captain. ButPhillips reported it as non urgent in returned
to sending passenger messages before going outof range. Okay, so that I
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originally think he meant mono sodium gluetomate, And I was like, what
is that doing here? Like thatone? Like, I don't understand how
that's non urgent. If someone's tellingyou I saw a large number of icebergs
ahead, right, that seems relativelyurgent. Yeah, seems a little important,
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especially since before you go out ofrange to where people can't send you
messages. Yes, exactly. Also, as mentioned in the movie, the
ship cannot continue to float if morethan four out of the sixteen compartments were
to be filled with water, andsix of them were filled yep. The
rivets were also not of uniform compositionor quality and had not been inserted in
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a uniform fashion. They use whatwas considered the best but not the best
best that could have been used.This increased the concentration of slag in the
rivets. So slag is just likeleftover metals that they just kind of slept
together. Yeah, kind of justlike the hot dog of metal, like
just take parts and throw it togetherat all. That's unfortunately the best way
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to describe it, not the hotdog. So this makes them vulnerable to
s stresses, making them pop offeasily. So not only all of this,
but new research raises the possibility ofcelestial effects to the ship. Celestial
effects celestial the Sun and the Moonare coming into play. Oh my god,
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I'm so excited. So on Januaryfourth, nineteen twelve, the Sun
aligned with the Moon in a waythat enhanced the gravitational pool, causing higher
than normal spring tides. The sameday, the Moon was at its closest
to Earth and more than fourteen hundredyears, causing tides to rise at maximum
Earth had also reached its closest positionto the Sun the day before, which
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could have effected the position of icebergsthat were normally stuck, causing them to
become more buoyant and floating on theirway towards where the ship would be sailing.
So I guess there's like this areain the ocean where icebergs like float
along and then it's so shallow theyget stuck. So being that there was
more gravitational pool, the water gothigher, icebergs floated up from the stuck
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and went on their merria way towhere the Titanic was going to be.
Okay, So my take on thisis is that I think this theory is
very probable and takes a lot ofissues into consideration, and that's yeah,
I think so that it makes themost sense to me, and it almost
doesn't feel like a conspiracy theory.It feels very like that sounds like that's
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what happened. Yeah, it justsounds like like I don't know, Like
I feel like more than just ithitting the iceberg came into play when it
came to the Titanic. I feellike there had have been other factors that
could have been just weakened metal.There could have been like lack of communication,
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the lack of the binoculars. Yeah, just so many things came into
play. And that is my listof all my Titanic theories. I hit
a button, so there might bea very brief period where my audio is
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funky wonky compared to yours. Mypot like for like three seconds, but
we're good. I like that wefinished with the most reasonable one. Some
of those were I like the CurseMummy one the best. That's my favorite.
That's the dumbest feeling, my favorite. This was actually a lot more
interesting than I thought. I didn'trealize there's so many conspiracy theories. I
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was like, Okay, obviously there'sgonna be something ridiculous like the Curse Mummy,
um insurance fraud, Sure, whywouldn't that play into it? And
then the perfect storm conspiracy. I'mlike, hey, okay, that one
actually has me convinced. That onetotally has me convinced. Yeah, and
like that one, I just feellike that has to be it. Like,
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there's just so many things like thisone. I don't think was speculated
that they didn't receive the message orspeculated that they didn't have binoculars. I
mean, I think the most speculatedwould be the storm part of it.
Yeah, that makes the most sense. But like, because I think like
that one might be a bit ofa stretch, but I mean it's not
unheard of that the sun and themoon caused exactly exactly, and that and
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that uncommon lunar activity can cause reallyweird stuff to happen. For sure.
That was really good. I reallyliked that episode. That was a lot
of fun. I don't think Ihave anything else to add. I think
that was a great episode. Ididn't know any of those, so that
was that was great. I don'tknow how you find these conspiracy theories,
(28:32):
truly, but keep them coming.I love them a lot of swimming,
honestly. You know, you knowwhat rabbit hole I went down recently on
the internet is the Chicago rat hole. It's not it's it's not even a
conspiracy period. It's it's a squirrelthat I found. Apparently, it's a
squirrel hole, not the rat hole. A squirrel that like fell into the
(28:52):
pavement while they were setting it andthen like scampered off. So now there's
just this permanent like hole in theshape of a rat, just like somewhere
in Chicago. But I can't doa whole episode on the Chicago rat hole.
That's it. That's the episode.There's a hole in the shape of
a rat or squirrel, depending onwho you ask, in Chicago and people
go visit it and they go,there's the rat Hole, and then they
(29:15):
do other stuff in Chicago, probablygonna deep his pizza, they serve it
in the rat Hole. Well that'swhat's in Chicago, Fallout Boy, deep
Dish Pizza and the rat Hole.That'slet's hierarchy of needs. Oh my gosh,
(29:38):
I keep hearing this. I don'tknow if it's true or not.
Are they making a movie of OceanGate? Like we're gonna have a Titanic
sequel that's gonna be a really abruptending to the movie. I don't know
how long you can make a movieof it, Like it just cuts off
somedly, Like I'm here, Ifeel bad making that joke. But I
(30:02):
don't know. I haven't heard that, so I cannot confirm Nords and I
when or not they're making an OceanGate movie. Let me just I'm doing
a quick, quick goog movie aboutocean movie about Ocean Gates, tightened submersible
tragedy and works from Blackening producer E. Briant Dobbins and mind Ryan Entertainment.
Are you kidding me? When wegot out with Dear David movie, That's
(30:25):
what I want to know how doI have to dear David movie? Because
Ocean Gate I just did movie sobadly. So when I first heard of
the submersible, I thought it waslike an actual submarine, and I was
like, oh my gosh, thesepeople how I thought it was like a
legit submarine, legit program and theygot lost. Then I find out,
(30:51):
oh, it was controlled by anX. Yeah. Apparently there wasn't even
like a window to the submersible,so you looked at it through a screen
anyway. And I was like,can't you just do that like for House
with VR, like like in you'relike in you're in the bomb of the
ocean freezing. There's no toilet right, like I don't know, And I
(31:15):
really felt bad, Like there wasa I think there's like a seventeen year
old nineteen Yeah, he he waskind of pressured to go on by his
stepdad, which I feel, yeah, being pressured by like you're a millionaire
and you've read that whole thing andyou thought you were invincible, and then
to like and then to like pressure, like to pressure you can't do it,
(31:37):
your step canna do it. That'syeah, that sucks, that's awful.
But yeah, I guess they're makinga movie about it. They already
Meane, here's the thing. Theyalready made a sequel to Titanic. Like,
there's already Titanic too. I'm prettysure. Yeah, unless it's like
unless I'm having like a Mandela effectmoment. But like, what was this
(32:00):
sequel about? Like another? Didthey sink the ship again? Like?
What do we eh? Titanic too? A supernatural horror themed sequel, titan
Way sixty six, was related lateron April fifteen. I'm about to eat
(32:20):
my microphone. I can't handle thisright now. Oh my god, oh
my god. There is there's atitan It's a horror sequel. It's a
horror supernatural sequel. We can let'ssee if you can watch the supernatural Titanic
Horror is free. I don't.I don't have any of these things that
(32:45):
you can watch it on. I'mso upset. If anybody has like a
Roque, I think I have Hulua Voodoo that's not on Hulu. It's
on Voodoo. Like email me yourlogin and I sweet, I love it.
(33:05):
I love this so much. Ilove this journey we've gone on together.
I think I think you guys shouldfind us on social media. We
are on TikTok, we are onInstagram, we are on x we are
on in Facebook. We're having abat problem, but we're on Facebook.
(33:30):
But you know what, the Discordis the best place to find us.
We also have a Patreon if youwant more of this ad free and you
want bonus episodes that you guys getto vote on. And I think that's
I think that's all I got.That's that's all I got. All Right,
that was sinking. We are justthrowing anything at the wall and seeing
(33:52):
what sticks. At this point,that wasnautically wicked. He
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