Gonjiam Asylum

Lexi dives into the urban legends surrounding the Gonjiam Asylum.

Episode Transcript

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This podcast discusses true crime, whichmay tell violence, and other material intended
for a mature audience. Listener discretionis advised. Hey it's Kayla and it's
LEXI. All right, I'm excited. What do you have? So two
weeks ago, for our last episodeor my last episode, not our last
episode, I teased the mention ofa haunted asylum located in the Guangxu,

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South Korea province, mentioning it isnumber seven from CNN's list of the seven
creepiest places on the planet, andthen I left you all in a cliffhanger
because it turns out the updated listI use that discussed the thirteen creepiest places
did not include the asylum. SoI just introed that in my episode and
it was like, and it's noton there have fun. So today I

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don't want to leave you guys hanging. And since the case involved one of
my favorite movies, I wanted tostill cover it. So here's an episode
on the urban legends and truths ofthe infamous Ganjiam Psychiatric Hospital and or Asylum.
Ooh, yes, s stuff,I'm excited. I yeah, this

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one was a lot of fun.I will say the movie that introduced me
to this. It's just called GanjiamHaunted Asylum. It's a South Korean film.
I was released in twenty eighteen.It's found footage style. Frankly,
I think it's everything Grave Encounters wishas it was. I like Grave Encounters,
don't get me wrong, But Ido think that Ganjiam Hanted Asylum.
It had a better pacing, itwas scarier. In general. I like

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it a little bit more if Ihad to choose between the two. But
go watch it. Go watch it. The movie is scarier than the truth,
if I'm being entirely honest. Butthe Ganjiam Psychiatric Hospital a little bit
of brief history. The hospital isfounded in nineteen six one by a man
named mister Hung with the intention ofhousing and treating patients with mental illness and

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psychiatric disturbances in the Gwangju province ofSouth Korea outside of the city of Seoul.
So the hospital was a massive andrelatively isolated away from any major metropolitan
areas, again the closest one beingSeoul. And it's still like a pretty
good It's not in the city proper, it's pretty good ways of ways outside,
located in the woods, of likea small village outside of that city,

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which kind of adds to its mystique. Like it really it's just in
the woods. It's just this massiveconcrete building in the middle of the woods.
So yeah, that does that semesteryto exists like in the middle of
nowhere right right. It's it's soit's so much less creepy. I think
if you're like, oh, here'sthis asylum that's like in Philadelphia, You're
like, okay, yep, thatmakes sense. You would put a state

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asylum in the middle of a majormetropolitan city where there's a large population.
So the hospital consisted of three floorstotal and eleven thousand square meters of floor
space, which I did not translatethat over to feet, but that sounds
like a lot considering that would beway more feet than meters. Sorry for
US Americans, we're like, howmany guns per freedom? Is that?

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I can't wait until we switch overto the metrics system. That's never gonna
happen. I know, we're stillmeasuring things in Eagles. So in the
early nineteen nineties, two additional buildingswere added to the main structure. Shortly
before the building's closure in nineteen ninetysix, which is like what a bummer
like You add two entirely new buildingsand then six years later you close forever.

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Yeah, So following the closure,the entire structure was left abandoned and
derelict for the next two decades,two decades, three decades, I'm pretty
sure, two ish, two anda half, two and a half decades.
So the building itself is admittedly prettyspooky if you look up pictures of
it. It's a large concrete buildingwith limited windows and tucked really far back

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in the woods and a large zigzagoutdoor staircase connecting the floors. So I'm
actually going to send you a pictureof it because it just it looks spooky
and the inside is pretty creepy too. All right, Oh this is a
good picture, yep. I amgoing to copy the image. I'm gonna

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put this in the Discord chat andjust kind of show you because it's just
spooky looking. Oh that is weirdlooking. That does look like a place,
though I'd probably explore if I stumbledupon it in the way. It
does look fun. It looks alot like a large concrete structure that I
had explored when I was in myhometown when I was going on a hike
down an old highway that it waskind of abandoned and crumbling, and it

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was kind of reset up as ahiking area. And then it passed by
this old quarry and there was there'sjust but the building itself. I couldn't
even tell you what it was.It's literally just the concrete and it's just
like a concrete box. There's noasbestos, no nothing. I think it
might have been outdoor storage, butpeople just graffiti it. But that's kind

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of what it looks like, justa giant concrete box. That's really just
basically just what it is, right, that's it. That's it looks like
graffiti. I'm actually surprised the outsideof the building is not more graffiti.
Yeah, you think, like maybeit's just too obscure. Maybe maybe it's
a cultural thing. I don't know, like maybe graffiti is just not as

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much a thing in other cultures asit is here. Like I know here
in the States, there is anybuilding that's like not quite used as often
as it could be. Someone's gonnaspray paint it. Yeah, that's true.
I forgot this was another country.So that's probably that's not as many
hoodlums, right, that's what itis, not as many hoodlums. So

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the legends are where things get weird, tails of patient mistreatment, strange disappearances,
and mad doctors. So the urbanlegend states that patients in the Ganjim
Asylum began disappearing without explanation or dyingunder strange circumstances in droves. So some
state that the director fled to theUS to avoid suspicion on the patient's deaths.

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Other versions state that she killed herselfby hanging, either due to guilt
or the horrible of the horrible conditionsin the asylum, or that she was
haunted or driven to insanity by thepatients and their ghosts. So in other
versions there's no female director, onlythe male owner, who either fled or
killed himself as well. So thisis sounding almost a little bit like the

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urban legend of I don't know ifyou've heard of Cropsy. That is a
US based urban legend that has todo with the psychiatric hospital that initially thought
that there was a serial killer targetingpatients and it turned out it was actually
the asylum itself just horrifically mistreating thepatients and then disappearing the bodies while telling
the families, Oh, they ranoff into the woods. That sounds like
the Ferdinald school experiment thing I coveredwhere it's like, yes, where the

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kids like were just part of thisexperiment. Oh no, if they died,
I never went here. That didn'texist, right, they're not real
were the What was the one thatI covered? I think it was the
the Crescent Hotel where when they diedthey had the waivers sign that they sent
to the family that's like I'm allbetter, I'm great, but don't contact
me, but trust me, I'mfine. And they like weren't dated so

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that when the patients died they couldset mail them to the families with the
current date. Oh yeah, Iforgot about that. That's yeah, that's
worse. Yeah, so this seemsreally believable, Like so far this whole
Oh, the patients were being mistreated. Sure, it was asylum in the
mid century. They weren't really knownfor treating their patients very well. It
wasn't exactly like a five star hotel. It was exactly like a prison exactly.

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So some state I just read thatalready, we're going to pretend that
that. Let me scroll down therewe go. So many of our of
the legend allege that the doctors inthe asylum were performing bizarre and tortuous experiments
on the patients, either because theywere simply evil or were driven crazy due
to the work conditions and having tobe surrounded by mentally disturbed patients all day.

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So this is also kind of comingoff of you know, this would
be post World War Two, andI'm sure that fresh in a lot of
people's minds throughout the world would havebeen the horrific experiments performed by Nazi doctors
in concentration camps, you know,infamously doctor Mengel. So I think a
lot of people started to suspect becausethat was happening during World War Two,

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could that be happening behind closed doorsin these other medical facilities where patients don't
really have a good way to advocatefor themselves, like state hospitals and asylums.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Soit's not really conspiracy theory. It's
like a fact that the doctors fromthe Nazi camps were like brought over to

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America, oh and used for likeexperiments and stuff. It's called Operation paper
Clip, And I think it wouldbe a very interesting one for us to
cover, because that one was like, when I first read that, I'm
like, oh, what an interestingconspiracy, And then I read about it,
I'm like, oh, it's notreally a conspiracy theory. It's actually
it's just an actual conspiracy that did, in fact happen. Yeah. Yeah,
so many versions I keep reading thesame line. I'm so sorry everyone.

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So that's where I think that ideacomes from it. And also,
I don't think there's a single asylumthat exists that doesn't have some sort of
urban legends of doctors doing messed upthings to the patients, because frankly,
messed up things were done to psychiatricpatients for a very long time. I
mean we're talking lobotomies, electroshock therapy. The process of conversion therapy was incredibly

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cruel and torturous. I mean therewere a lot of really terrible things.
Oh what was it, hot baththerapy, I can't remember the name of
it, where they would just putthem in like superheated baths. Oh my
god. Yeah. Sure, shocktherapy is still happening today. I don't
know. I don't think that's likeanything that it does anything. I don't
know too much about it. Iknow there, you know, it might

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be I'm not sure if it hasn'tbeen traditionally like if I haven't been truly
outlawed. I'm sure that there's someplaces where it's still happening. So see
here, Okay, let's go ona little journey together today. ECT is
administered to an invest made it onehundred thousand people a year, primarily in
general hospital psychiatric units and in psychiatrichospitals, just like the fun severe depression,

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acute mania, and certain schizophrenic syndromes. Oh so yeah, there you
go. Okay, They're like,we're gonna zap the schizophrenya out of you.
Is there like any evidence to thatthat it does anything? Or they
just like, we're so desperate,let's just throw anything in the wall and
see what sticks. Let's see theAmerican Psychiatric Association website. Let's see here,

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We're going on a journey. Doesthis work? Extensive researchers found that
it's highly effective for the relief ofmajor depression. Clinical evidence indicates that for
individuals with uncomplicated but severe major depression, ECT will produce substantial improvement and approximately
eighty percent of patients, So itdoes work. It's just do you want
to get through it? Yeah?Yeah, that makes sense. Huh.

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I mean I guess I would thinkif you have like severe cannot function treatment
resistant depression, I think for somepeople it's kind of like why not?
Yeah, you know, I thinksome people would probably be like, I'll
try anything. So, but Iknow that they are doing I know that
there is they're starting to introduce electromagnetictherapy, and I know that ketamine infusion

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therapy as a short term treatment forlong term effect for treatment resistant depression is
becoming a lot more popular and hasa lot more evidence behind it than electroshock.
So hopefully we like phase that outand we just develop other methods for
treating people with treatment resistant conditions.Do you want shocked or do you want

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special k like this right? Exactlyexactly? Would you like to be zapped
like you were on death bro orwould you like to be given horse drugs?
Well, at least it's under medicalsupervision. Oh so now I'll talk
about how so. The film thatagain introduces to me gonjiam Hansted Asylum produced

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in twenty eighteen. It was shotfound footage style in South Korea and expands
on a few of the legends evenmore. And I learned this recently while
researching this episode. One of theactors that was in gonjam Hansted Asylum was
also on Squid Game. So theywere clearly not like, uh, what's
the film I'm thinking of the firstone blair Witch project. They clearly were

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not blair Witch projecting this where they'relike, we're gonna use unown people and
pretend that this was really involved.They were like, found footage is simply
a genre. People are gonna knowthat this isn't real. It's still gonna
be fun, and it is andit is still fun. So the film
alleges that the female director was verymuch responsible for overseeing the strange experiments,
and that she hung herself from theceiling rafters after being driven mad by the
patients and their ghosts. The filmstates that her neck was stretched out to

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a foot long by the time shewas found. WW absolutely not. I
hate that. I hate that somuch. I'm sure that that movie was
so that they could give a creepyghost visual, because that's the first thing
I thought as soon as they saidthat in the movie, I'm like,
Oh, we're gonna get like aghost reveal with a fucked up neck that
might makes you think of Haunting ofHill House. Have you said, yes,
yes? Was it long neck ladyor crooked neck lady? Yes?

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Yes? Oh my gosh. Thereveal of who that ghost actually was shook
me to my core. I waslike, ain't no way, ain't no
way. So it also focuses ona particular room in the asylum, room
four oh two. It stated throughoutthat room four oh two is sealed and
was unable to be broken into,and that two urban explorers attempting to access

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the room went missing because that roomused to be the ICU and was cursed
due to the foul treatment of thepatients and the particularly angry spirits that reside
within. I will say that Ithink four is considered an unlucky number in
some Asian cultures. I know forsure Japanese, I think Korean two,
because I think I looked this upwhile I was watching the movie, because

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I think the way that you sayfour sounds similar to death, So like
thirteen is considered an unlucky number inlike the US and some other like Western
and European cultures, four is consideredunlucky in some Asian cultures. So I
was like, oh I saw thatfour oh two. I was like,
I think four is like an unluckyfloor or unlucky number or something like that.

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So the movie does go into likeRoom four oh two a whole bunch.
I couldn't find anything outside of theactual movie itself that talked about anything
particular dealing with Room four oh two. But it's bad news bearers in the
movies. But like anything that Iwas researching, that's like, okay,
the legend not the movie four ohtwo does not even not mention. I
don't even know if it exists,probably not done right right. So Also

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I love that like one room wasjust the ICU, Like it's not a
unit or a wing. There's justlike one room that's the ico limit like
two people. It's really it's howI see youse work in hospitals, isn't
it. So Due to the popularityof this legend and how spooky the building
itself looked after it was abandoned,plus abandoned doctor's offices and asylum are they're

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really common ground for urban explorers,super super common. This place became a
hot spot for urban exploration, ghosthunting, and even the set of a
movie or released in twenty eighteen,which I already mentioned. I'm kind of
shocked that like none of the ghostplaces what like, like no ghost hunters
or ghost adventures, like I couldn'tfind any records of them going to the
Gunjiam Asylum maybe and they've been tothe Stanley Hotel. Yeah, so this

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might be why I'm so sorry toruin every single thing I just told you,
guys. But the fact of thematter is that not a single thing
I've talked about in the urban Legendsappears to be remotely true. Nothing.
This place is so boring as faras asylums go, it's like not even
funny. So for starters, therewas not a single reported mysterious death,
that disappearance, investigation, or significantcomplaint regarding the treatment of the patients from

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loved ones. Not saying it didn'thappen, but there was just no record
whatsoever that there was even so muchas a complaint. So to add to
that, when the hospital closed down, the patients didn't mysteriously disappear or peter
out slowly or escaped into the woodsnearby. They were all transferred on record
to a new facility in Yongin likewe know where all of them went.

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So the primary reason for the closurewas economic downturn in the nineties and a
change in the building code laws regardingsewage systems which caused disagreement between the owner
and the director of the hospital.With the passing of the Water Source Protection
Act in South Korea in the earlynineties, if the owner and director had
disagreements over whether it would be worththe financial strain to install a new sewage

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treatment system or modify the original tomeet the standards. So during this time,
however, before the disagreement could besettled, the owner he was an
elderly man and suffering from a chronicillness, and he passed away in nineteen
ninety six, leaving the property tohis son, who declined to care for
and maintained the property. The directorleft and just got a new job elsewhere
as opposed to dealing with the economicsinkhole that would have been the Gone Jim

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Asylum at this time, and sothe doors of the hospital were closed permanently,
all patients were transferred to a newregion, and the building fell into
disrepair for this incredibly mundane and unexcitingreason. So basically take everything we learned
and put it in a bin andset it on fire, exactly everything I

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just told you. Believe none ofthat. Believe nothing I tell you when
I talk about Urban Legends episodes,because the second half of the episode is
so, here's why all of thatis not true. I feel like the
Jury the Devil episode had more evidenceof creepiness than this one. Like I'm
so, I was like, surelythere's at least some ghosts, and even

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when I looked into it, soso the ghost that exists to the property,
that's a lot harder to say,because I feel like a lot of
people kind of convince themselves that theghosts are real, you know, So
it's hard to say is that areal ghost or did someone just like make
up a ghost because they were inthis asylum and they got creeped out.
I would make up a ghost hundredpercent. If I was an urban explorer
and I was in this creepy assabandoned asylum, you know, I would

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assume that there were ghosts in there. I heard a creepy noise, I'm
like, that's a ghost. Whywouldn't it be? You know? And
it is? I mean, itis a state it was a state hospital,
was an asylum. People certainly wereyou know, mentally disturbed dealing with
trauma while they were there. I'msure not all of the medical procedures performed
were terribly pleasant, potentially considered unethicalby today's standards. And I'm sure people

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died on the you know, it'sa hospital, so there's probably some kind
of haunting there. Just like statistically, it's probably just as haunted as any
other hospital, and like hospitals arekind of infamous for being haunted. Like
I don't know a single human hospitalthat where people that like, people that
work there aren't like oh yeah,like room fourteen is haunted or like oh

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yeah, floor number X y Zlike definitely has a ghost or something like
that. Yeah, it's like assoon as you hear asylum, like you
know, it's gotta have like somebad energy, you just seething, certain
things going on. It's got badjud jew But that's about That's about it.
I mean, the ghosts, asfar as weather ghosts exists, it's
not like, uh, you know, certainly ghost hunters have like amateur ghost

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hunters have absolutely gone to the placeand tempted to contact ghosts, but it's
not like there's a known ghost like, oh, here's mister Fred. He's
always seen on like the second floorin Wing B. It's just sort of
word of mouth you have to take. You have to take take the word
of people, like individuals who justwent there and we're like, oh,
I wanted the gun Jam Asylum.I totally saw a ghost. Here's a

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blurry picture like that's that's really allyou can do. There's some post some
Reddit of people exploring it. Ididn't really come across any ghost photography.
There are some pretty creepy photos ofpeople who went through, because again it's
a derelict asylum that has just beenfreaking ransacked due to its popularity. But
yeah, no, no, canin say I think I saw more ghost

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content. At the time, wewere recording an episode and something moved behind
me, like I really do,and it turns up like what was that?
That was so terrifying because we weretalking about a haunting and something moved
behind me and I was like,well, I'm gonna ignore that. Surely
that was a glitch. And thenyou were like what was that? And
I was like, oh uh,oh, you saw it too. I

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still don't know what that was alittle bit ago. I forgot I had
a dog for thirty seconds and likeI'm looked in the corner of my camera
and I'm like, what is thatthink scuttling across the floors. I noticed
that. I was like, oh, hello, Willie's but it's just like,
excuse me, I'm just checking outmy mother. Sometimes my dog will
just come over and like lick myfoot or something, because I have the

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clingiest she but you new in theworld. She'll just run over and like
lick me and like, oh God. She's like a white dog, so
it's easy, at least easy tosee her in the dark. But sometimes
it's a little creepy because she juststands there at the other end of the
dark basement staring at me, andI'm like, what is this white shape?
Would beaty little eyes? Actually,my cat's creepier because I have an
all black cat. So my catlikes to just sit in dark corners and

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stare at us with shining eyes.And last night my fiance leaned into me
and she's like, I see eyesand I was like, what do you
mean? And I look over andit's just my cat, just in a
dark corner for no reason was like, what do you mean you see eyes?
I like over like that's Purry,that's my cat. Oh yeah,
so maybe maybe Kayla and I arehaunted. Maybe not. I don't know.

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I don't have an explanation for thatorb or whatever it was. But
at least the other ones turned outto be our animals that we willingly allow
into our house that live here rentfree. Yeah, it's nothing you got
to carry, like, I don'tknow onyx or anything for right effect yourself.
Subscribe to their only pause so theycan pay rent. We will send

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We will send puppy pete, puppypete, puppy feet, picks pop.
I can't wow, I can't saythat. Well, it's got some cute
feet. He's got grnched toes.Perrie's got really cute to be too,
so does Luna. Luna's got reallycute little pause. She doesn't need a
nail trim though, we should dothat. We should break in this business.
We'll send like ink paw prints,little little artsy paw print photos for

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completely innocent reasons. You basically haveto subscribe to my personal TikTok because my
tich dog is like mainly my dog. Yeah, just you know, a
trend that comes along. I'm like, oh, look, it's my dog.
We can post we can post exclusivePatreon content of the dogs and it's
just dog reveals. It's here's thedog reveal. You know you hear about
them on the podcast. Do youhear about Willie. Here's a picture of

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him. Here's his adorable little pause. If we did video, you'd see
my cat Purry because there she iswalking in front of my laptop as always.
Uh, the early days of thepodcast, the way we had to
record, because it was me andAshley, Yeah, we would be in
one room together and like my dogwould just like bust in and you would
just hear him in the background ofthe old episodes. So if you start

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from the beginning and you hear likewhiming and screaming, it's my dogs.
So I remember when it was yourfrog. Oh yeah, but my frogs
died, so I forgot that theymade noises back then. Oh it's okay.
All of mine kicked the bucket too. I think when we got new
ones, they came with some sortof illness from the pet store. Because
I got two new ones. Theywere totally fine for a while, and

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then every single one of them likedied mysteriously under the same circumstances. And
I was like, but they didn'tshow any symptoms beforehand, so I didn't
think to take him to a frog. Also, like their frogs, I
don't I don't know if they're anyvet that's gonna see a frog. But
still, so that happened, andthen I just never replenished my frog supply.

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Yeah, I I've had mine forlike what three years. This didn't
change anything. And then one daygoing and they're both dead. I was
like, yeah, you're just donefor it, okay, But yeah,
they just decided they were done.I remember listening to that episode because Ashley
was talking and she just paused,and you hear, like were and she's
like, is that your frog?And if you hear, if you hear

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any whining in the background, thatis another family member's dog upstairs screaming because
he hates his great And if youthink you'd get used to his crepe by
now, it's been so many weeksof great training, but he has a
mouth and he must scream, andhe will scream. So if you hear
that, pardon pardon Ali, he'semotionally fragile. How did we get here?

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I don't know. I didn't evenget to my conclusion paragraph. So
anyway, it turns out the worstpart of living near the old Ganjim Asylum
was not the ghosts or the creepinessor the impatience or whatever. It was
just constantly dealing with tourists and urbanexplorers, like breaking into the property near
your house because there's like a smallvillage like right there, and so there's
just constantly people just trying to breakin and you're like, please just leave

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me alone. Like imagine someone justlike constantly trying to break into your neighbors
and it's like, there's nothing there, leave my yard. And also it
was like a waste of time forpolice. It was a waste of time
for security. The head of constantpatrols. Yeah, I can imagine that
because whenever we first moved here,there was people always trying to break to

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my car, break into the neighbor'shouse, trying to break into our house.
You know, you know how frustratingthat is. It's frustrating tourists.
You basically lived next to Guancium Asylum. Yeah, I live in the time,
Oh my god. So yeah,and Also, the constant tourism made
it really difficult. And I saytourism, it wasn't really legal tourist,

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but you know what, am Ieven call it? The constant truspassing made
it really difficult for like the stateto find anybody to purchase or maintain the
property. So very shortly after thefilm was released about the Gandju Mahnst Asylum,
the area was completely demolished in Mayof twenty eighteen, so it no
longer exists. You cannot go visitGandjium Asylum if you wanted to. It

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is a pile of rubble that makesme sad. I feel like if you
tried to go, you'd like haveto wait in line behind a bunch of
other urban explorers at this point,because that was part of the problem.
There was actually controversy when the filmwas released. It was petitioned initially by
I think whoever was in charge oflike owning and maintaining the property to they

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like petitioned the government to not havethe film shown in theaters because they were
like, look, it's already amess with trespassing, now this film is
going to make it worse. Andthey ended up being like nah, we
can show it in theaters. It'sfine. And then they ended up amishing
the building anyway, so it doesn'treally matter. So this is like fine,
right right, They're like, justjust just break it down, floor
it. So it's like the lamestepisode I've ever given you, guys.

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I'm so sorry it was short thatnothing happened. Absolutely nothing happened. Maybe
we have a ghost or too,but like they're free now. Now I
know why the Ganjim Asylum is noton the list of the creepiest places when
it was demolished. I think beforethe article that I used was written.

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It's fine, and that's fine.That's it. That's all I got for
you. I have our first episodeof the new year, and it's boring.
Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Ganjiam Asylum is not even haunted
by like asylum standards. Boo,it's all right. I have a conspiracy

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for next week, so I'm soI'm so excited. I always tell people
pick conspiracies for Kayles's bonus episodes.She's better at those than me. It's
a list of ten conspiracies. Yah, topic, so well, it's I'm
pretty excited about it. Oh,I'm so pumped. I'm so pumped.
It's so easy to find conspiracies nowadaysbecause everybody's like chronically online and schools are

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underfunded, so people just believe anythingthey see on TikTok. It's crazy.
We're in a conspiracy boom. That'sprobably like a very bad thing, but
like we could at least cash inon it for entertainment purposes. On the
podcast. You can monetize off ofpeople just believing anything, Yay, hooray.
And thus the birth of capitalism prettymuch capitalism rebirth. We're gonna we're

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thing with NFTs. Welcome to cryptocapitalism, where the money is made up and
the points don't matter. That's allI've got for you, guys. If

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more of this on Patreon, andwe are on TikTok. We have our
discord. We do have our Facebookgroup. I will say I do not
have a Facebook anymore, so Iam not on it. That is all,
Kayla. We are on Instagram,we are on Twitter in theory or
X whatever. I don't like thathe renamed it. Someone needs to buy

(29:30):
it back from Elon and rename itTwitter. It's just weird now that it's
X. I'm pretty sure if weall banded together with what little funds we
all have, we still wouldn't haveenough. I know, we just have
to deal with it. We justhave to deal with Elon Musk's weird little
Twitter power fantasy. Well that's allI have for you guys today. And

(29:52):
I think that was crazy wicked.I think that was disbelievingly wicked. Yeah,
disappointingly wicked, if you will,Oh,