March 24, 2025 • 28 mins
Kayla discusses the mystery of Edward V and his brother Richard and their mysterious disappearance from the tower of London.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This podcast discusses true crime, which may entell violence, and
other material intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Hey,
it's Kayla and it's Lexi and I hope you guys
enjoyed our last episode with our little guests that we had.
We were both pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, that was awesome. That was That was a really
really exciting episode to have, like just to talk about
his podcast. And then it's I feel like it's always
fun whenever we have a guest on. It's just like
an additional person to like react and contribute to everything.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, just the Jim jab with exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, we love having guests. If you guys have you know,
a podcast or anything like, feel free to reach out
to us. Like we're always happy to like do swaps
and ship.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah. I think we should start doing more truly like
guests and stuff. That'd be really fun. And then I
don't know, if you let me know if you guys
started listening to his show. I listened to one of
his episodes. I think it was about the West Virginia
something of the West Virginia mountains. Oh, started listening to it.
It's pretty interesting. I haven't listened to a podcast in months.
(01:19):
Like as ironic as that.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Is, I know, I go through phases where I listen
to a ton of podcasts while like cleaning and stuff,
and then I go through phases where I'm just like
strictly listening to music, and I'm like in such a
music phase. I am really excited though, to dive into
his I'm so sorry if you guys can hear my
dog chasing her own tail in the background, but I'm
(01:43):
really excited to dive into that podcast because it sounds
really exciting and like really up my alley, and like
I have it in my queue for when I'm ready
to go from like music to podcast again.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
There's I just need to listen to stuff, listening to
some podcasts, Like all right now, I'm in my Good
Charlotte Pandora phase. Okay, it's either Good Charlott or sleep
Tooken Pandora and I just have a listened to a
podcast and who knows how long you.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Know, I was actually listening to, uh, oh my gosh,
what's been in my likes lately? Japanese breakfast and lo fi?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
What's Japanese breakfast? Yeah? You ever?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You ever listened to Japanese Breakfast. No, I really like her.
I got. I got into Japanese Breakfast, like I think
back when I still lived in Pittsburgh, and like She's
one of those artists that I'll like forget about for
a little while and then I'll like rediscover it and
I'm like, oh my god, I love Japanese Breakfast, and
then like I'll continue like forgetting about her for like
a year and like rediscovering her.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh. I thought it was like a genre.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I was like, call me, you know, the artist's name
is Japanese Bukast.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That makes a little bit more sense kind of, but
not really.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've been listening to cafe music.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh, he says, to listen to cafe music, I said,
I used to do that when I would like do research,
It'd be like rain with like voices in the background.
I got a cafe.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Ooh I used to do. I would have one tab
open to like lo fi, and then another tab open
to like rain, and then another one open to like
a crackling fire. And that is how I would do,
like like when I worked my research job, Like that's
how I would do like data entry. I would just
like plug in my headphones and have my little white
(03:30):
noise and just do like like hours of like data
entry like vibein like I was in a cabin.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I used to listen to brown noise, which just
sounds like an air like air conditioner. Ooh mean my husband,
like we have a big TV in our room, and
we used to listen to rain at night to fall
asleep to on YouTube. We had to stop that because
at like three am, a Toyota fon commercial would just
like it'd be like get your Toyota thought trick now
(04:03):
for zero persona APR. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, it
is three am. We cannot do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh no, You're like we need YouTube premium or like
we can't do this. Oh my god. I I think
I think I had that happen one time. God. I
can't remember what the context was, but I have definitely
like I've definitely had some big similar habit. I've also
seen those videos that's like ten hours of white noise
(04:32):
occasionally interrupted by the sound of someone like dropping a
metal pipe, like for like the tuc about gong noise.
I tried to make that like my my notification sound
on my iPhone and I cannot figure out how to
do that. If there's a way, someone please tell me.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They're used to like like ten or so years ago.
That used to be like a website where you could
like download like ring tones of stuff. I sang on iPhone, like,
you can't do that anymore. I know, the cracked down
on it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Good old days. Do you remember jail breaking your iPhone?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I never did it, but I know people that have.
Is that, like what is it? You can like do
whatever you want on that phone At that point.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I kind of I just did mind to like customize it,
Like I jail broke my iPod Touch because this was
like pre iPhone, and I jail broke it to be
this like this is when zombies were like super big,
and it was like a zombie theme. So like my
my like shut off noise. When you would hit the
the power button, it would sound like a like a
shotgun cocking, and then it was like blood splatters and
(05:38):
like broken like fence material, and I was just like
this is great. I definitely risked my my I pod
Touch not working anymore for like very minimal customization for I.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Feel like down Dixon there for a minute, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What was and it was. I was like, I never
was even one of those people that really got into
The Walking Dead, Like I just liked zombies. I was
like a concept.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Mm hmmm. So I was one of those people that
got into The Walking Dead until like I don't know,
I stopped watching after a couple of seasons, and then
I played zombies on Call of Duty all the time
in high school.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I actually I specifically got Call of Duty Black Ops
of all consoles on my Wii simply because I wanted
to play the zombies.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I didn't even have made it for the week you
made it for the Weed, do you know?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Funny that is because they had like the super realistic,
like they had the million to one controllers. So I
had my little like shotgun WE or rifle WE controller
whatever it is, and I was like very immersive.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's probably like that for like the Switch now too,
I guess, because there's like like shooting games like that
you can use.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes I got me Me and my dad
would do zombie maps together, but we were like really
bad at it, like collectively, me and my father were
terrible at Black Ops, but like that didn't stop us.
I'm trying. Yeah. We were also bad at guitar hero,
which also didn't stop us.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I was, I was, I was stupid good at guitar hero.
I did expert that for you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I couldn't get past medium. And you know what, I
also played actual guitar for like years, and I never
got good at it. Like you think eventually, you're like I,
if I just keep going, I will get good eventually.
Not not if you're me.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
For some reason, I couldn't do the drums though. I
could never get ahold of the drums like on rock band.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, I actually never played rock band like I don't.
I would not know how to do the other instruments.
I was really good at Dance Dance Revolution, like I
was slamming the expert level at Dance Dance Revolution.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Did you ever play play that in gym class?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Or is that just like a unique experience.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I feel like I might have. Actually, I feel like
I might have played Dance Dance Revolution in Jim class
with the kids who took gym class too seriously are
up to nowadays?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Right right when I said that, my wife from the
other room went me, did.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
She take it really seriously that I'm assuming?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yes? In her defense. She is very competitive and extremely athletic.
I mean that is how we met. But that was
just really funny. I was not expecting to hear that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I don't know anybody that took well personally now
that took Jim class. Seriously, I'm sure they're just thriving,
like existent theory, existent theory, doing their dance dance revolution
and in private.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well one of them is in my living room, so
you know, big fan personally of that one.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Alrighty, if we are ready, I will get into my
little story that I have for you guys today.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I straight up forgot we were recording, thought were still
doing our pre episode. What's today's episode about?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Today? Is like a mystery?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Like we like we don't know, like we don't know
what the episode's about, or like you know, like.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We don't know what happened. Oh, it's like.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That makes more sense. I drank the stupid juice this morning.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I shall call her Mystery or Debbie or Debbie. So
today's episode is about Edward the fifth and Richard, Duke
of York, the Princes in the Tower. Have you heard
of these guys?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, like maybe in my D and D campaign. This
is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, these were two young boys and we don't know
what happened to them.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh shit, okay, I'm locked in. I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So our story starts with the War of the Roses,
a series of conflicts that rage between fourteen fifty five
and fourteen eighty seven that were a fight for control
of the English throne between the houses of Lancaster and York.
It was called the War of the Roses as the
York's symbol was the white rose and the Lancaster was
the red rose like on their like coat of arms.
(10:17):
So they just got the War of the Roses.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I feel like I've heard of that before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
The conflicts started on May twenty second, fourteen fifty five,
as at the First Battle of Saint Albans, when the Yorkists,
who were led by Richard, Duke of York, clashed with
the Lancaster forces of King Henry the sixth. During the
next thirty years, the crown would be exchanged many times,
with both sides having wins and losses. Can you imagine
(10:46):
how confusing like that could be? Like just imagine like
in today's like let's say you get a new president
like every couple months, because they just keep fighting for
the title.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I cannot imagine, Like they couldn't ask, you know how,
like one of the questions they are ask you like
first responders, you know, like what year is it? Like
who's the president? Like they would just have to drop
that one.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Who's president? Shit? If I know? Right? Like I don't remember,
like whoever won last?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, Like I haven't been keeping up with the games.
You gotta ask me who won the super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
This is like this is like Game of Thrones, like
Jesus the York's game the upperhand in fourteen sixty one,
when Edward the fourth, son of Duke of York, was
made king after the Battle of Tauton. His reign spanned
from fourteen sixty one to fourteen eighty three, except in
the years of fourteen seventy to fourteen seventy one when
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Henry the six was on the throne from winning a battle.
During that time, Edward the fifth and his mother had
sank sh oh wow wait, I got like a time
mixed up?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh what happened?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So in fourteen six Edward married Elizabeth Woodville, which turned
out to be a problem as the Woodvilles were previous
supporters of the Lancasters, meaning they were untrustworthy and suspicious
in the eyes of the orcists, and the two had
several kids. The eldest son was Edward the Fifth born
November two, fourteen seventy So during the time that Henry
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the sixth was on the throne, Edward the Fifth and
his mother had sanctuary at Westminster Abbey, and Edward's reign
had relative stability and economic growth. So during this time,
tensions between the Woodville's and those loyals of Gloucester escalated,
which led to arrests and executions of key Woodville supporters,
(12:43):
including the king's uncle Anthony Woodville. Second Earl Rivers Richard
of Shrewsbury was born August seventeenth, fourteen seventy three, and
this made him a Duke of York, making him a
significant person in the dynasty. In fourteen seventy eight, at
one four years old, he was married to Ana Molbray,
who was an eight year old heiress to the Marlbray estates.
(13:06):
In this marriage made that Yorks more powerful. It's it's
still crazy to me, like how they would just marry
kids off.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So creepy, so so creepy, and what's weird what's nuts
to me is I think a lot of people assume
that that was just like common practice for like common
people throughout history. It's basically always been like a taboo
thing for like your average person. Like there's never a
period in history where it was like normalized to marry
that young. It was like strictly nobility, and like basically
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all the commoners were were just in agreement that it
was like fucked up. Like everyone was like, yeah, the
royals do that and it's messed up.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, and it's just like to balance power and gain power,
like that'show.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah and Crezy weird, and like half the time they're
related because like we go to keep the royal blood
pure and then they're like, why do our habsburgs look
like that?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Literally, So, Edward the Fourth suddenly died on April ninth,
fourteen eighty three, meaning that twelve year old Edward the
Fifth was to inherit the throne from him. Being that
he was so young, his uncle, Richard, Duke of Gloucester,
was named Lord Protector for the time being. At the
time of his father's death, Edward was in Ludlow, which
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was a stronghold of the Prince of Wales. He journeyed
to London for the coronation, but the political landscape shifted dramatically.
His own uncle, Richard the third showed up as a
challenger to the throne. He was the one who was
the lord protector of Edward the fifth. Okay, On Edward's
journey he was intercepted by his uncle. And during this time, oh,
(14:44):
I already read that part. I put it another twice,
I thought to delete it. So during two episodes ago,
so yeah. The tensions between the Woodvilles and those lords
of the Gloucester escalated, which led to rest and executions
of Keywoodviills porters, including the king's uncle Anthony Woodville In
Richard Gray, which was Edward the Fifth's half brother. With
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Edward the fifth under his control, he escorted the boy
to the Tower of London and soon had his little brother,
Richard of Shrewsbury join him. In June fourteen eighty three
of the cleric Ralph Shaw declared that Edward the Fourth's
marriage to Elizabeth was bigamous, meaning that their kids were illegitimate.
(15:28):
This claim was based on the assertion that Edward the
fourth was betrothed to Eleanor Butler, making the marriage to
Elizabeth Nulan Voyd. It's unsure if that assertion is true
or not. It was just kind of like, hey, we
don't really want him on like your kids on the throne,
so we're just going to throw this out there that
maybe they're illegitimate so they can't take the throne.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So June twenty sixth Lords and Commoners and dors Richard's
claim to the throne. By July sixth, fourteen eighty three,
he was crown Richard the Third at Westminster Abbey. So
the last confirmed sighting of the boys was the summer
of fourteen eighty three in the Tower of London. So
with the Tower's history, their stay had ominous undertones, and
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their time with the tower is unknown as shrouded in mystery.
So the tower was kind of known for being like
used for like imprisonment, torture. It kind of had like
that dark history that I'm sure like every English history
like story that we could ever tell has something to
do with the Tower of London.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Oh probably, Yeah, absolutely, the Tower of London is infamous.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, we could probably do a whole episode on the tower,
you know what, I might do a whole episode.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, let me just write that down somewhere. Let
me take a note here. Oh quack uh.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
The boys had been seen playing in the tower and
on the grounds. As time went on, though sightings of
them became scarce. By the time Richard was crowned king,
they had all but basically vanished. Rumors of them had
started as circulate, such as have they been sent away?
Were they isolated from everyone? Or were they just murdered.
(17:08):
The murder theory, of course, gained the most traction among people,
especially detractors, who saw it as evidence of Richard's ruthlessness
and as they excuse to try and get him off
the throne. In sixteen seventy four, were jumping to the
future a little bit. A wooden box was discovered with
two small skeletons inside under a staircase during renovations. Oh yeah,
(17:30):
it was immediately thought that it was the prince's. King
Charles the third ordered the bones to be reinterred in
Westminster Abbey. They were examined in the twentieth century, but
unfortunately couldn't identify the bones, leaving the whole situation a mystery.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The most prevalent theory points to their uncle and It
is believed that by many historians and Sir Thomas Moore,
in his book The History of King Richard I I
in the early sixth seenth century, he claimed that they
were smothered. Shakespeare's portrayal of him was as a murderer
as well, but concrete evidence of ether theory does not exist.
(18:11):
Another theory implicates the Duke of Buckingham, who was a
loyal ally of Richard, who later turned against him. He
had access to the tower and a motive. His motive
was that by killing the princes he would have a
chance at the throne. There is however, no proof of
this either. Henry the Seventh, the founder of the Tudor dynasty,
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is also a suspect. He got the throne after Richard's
two year rule when he died, and killing the princes
would have solidified his claim and removed york threats. Other
theories claim they were moved and lived in obscurity, but
there's also no proof of that, and their vanishing marked
the end of the Yorkish line and paved way for
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new dynasties.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Oh that's insane. It's just the line just terminates right there,
just stops right there. Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's all I have on these two. I know that
was like not a bunch, but like it's still like
nobody knows what happened to them, Like those bones probably
are them, but there's no way to trace it back
to them because there's like no DNA to compare it to.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah. Yeah, and I mean that would be too early
for like dental records, you know, or any other way
we have of identifying.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, I guess I got the YouTube video I watched.
There's a spot at the Tower of London mm hm
that says this is where the box of the skeletons
was found that you can go and see, which I
thought was like pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Are they like on like other skeletons themselves, like still
on display?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I don't think they're on display.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay, okay, it's just like the box.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, it just says like this is where they were found.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's interesting. I don't know, man touring the Tower of
London that that must be like an oppressive energy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I sense a little wicked trip. Yes to the Tower
of London.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Let me renew my a passport and we are going
to go to the Tower of London. Let me get
a passport and we can go to the Tower of
Step one, we obtain a passport.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, there's like no evidence of like them being murdered,
no evidence of them being like shoved to like another
family to live in obscurity for the rest of their life.
They just kind of disappeared off the face of the earth.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
That's really strange. I mean, like you said, the most
obvious explanation is they were in some way murdered and
stuffed in a box, and like that's that. But it's
just I don't know, it just seems so ridiculous that
such high profile people could be murdered and then just
like and then that's it, you know, and then like
there's a suspect, you know, like some best guesses, and
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then just nothing and we're all murders just like that.
Back in the day, like because they had so little
like organized forensic investigation, that people would just get killed
and everyone was like, eh, so much.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I do like it hadn't been so easy to get
away with murder back then, Like there's no like there's
no evidence, there's no forensics, there's there's nothing, like you said,
mm hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You basically had to wait for like the person to
be like haunted by their latent oncoming schizophrenia, like and
tell telle heart and like you get a hold for the best,
you know where the dudes like, yeah, come over and
have some tea, ignore the beating heart under the floorboards.
And then they're just like, hey, what we have a warrant?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
By the way, is that blood on your hands?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah? So this is I've heard of this story before
on another podcast. It it's been a long time, and
I thought it was interesting. Then it caught my attention.
So I want to know what you guys think, if
you guys have heard of this case, if you have
like any thoughts of what happened to these boys, I'll
put like the YouTube video I watched in the show
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notes like all my links and in the show notes
like always but yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I see. I've never heard of this case either. I
thought that was really interesting. I didn't realize that's basically
how the Tutors became established as a line that was
before them just stopped abruptly, and then another line was
like our turn.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Literally that's all the that's crazy. The reins of the
English throne were like, hey, my turn. Nope, Dibbs dips me.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I want to turn like that's crazy, that's absolutely crazy.
Oh man, yeah, I look like.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
We could do a whole episode on that too.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
On what the the I don't I don't want to
like I that is all you, because something about British
Royalty bores me to absolute tears. The only thing I'm
really passionate about is I want to resurrect all of
Henry the Eight's wives, and also resurrect Henry the eighth,
and I want to let each of his wives kill him,
and then I want to keep bringing him back so
(22:59):
they can all do it. It's about it. Yeah, that's
where it ends for me. Dig him up and shoot
him again. He didn't get shot, but guillotine him again.
Whatever the hell happened to his ass?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I have no idea shoot him again.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Whatever it is, do it again, give him another heart attack.
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think it was beheaded if he's want to think
it of hell, yeah, that's Henry the eighth, Henry.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Eighth, out of your googling the eighth.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Dig died.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Just this, that's all I said. Like you died death.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It just says he died.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's like it's like Royal is like royal hand walked
in and was like, miskey, shah, he fucking did he died?
I don't know, but he sure did.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
How did Henry eight die? I'm not even putting like
the v I I I. I'm putting like eight bronco pneumonia,
heart failure or kidney failure, get out of death.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Every single one of his organs was just collectively like
fuck this guy. Literally.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But yeah, so we have that, and I'm working on
something special for my next episode.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I'm so excited. I can't reveal. I know what it is,
but I can't reveal what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, I'm excited too.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I also have a special idea for people I do
I do. It's something that was like listeners suggested to
me like a while ago that I'm finally getting to.
I've just been waiting for like my schedule to allow
for me to like put a good amount of effort
into something that's like an unsolved mystery. So I'm like,
(25:00):
I'm pretty excited about it.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Oh, I'm excited. I love a good unsolved mystery.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Me who, And I also love listeners suggestions. I love
when people coming to me and they're like, you should
cover this, and I'm like, thank you, Queen, absolutely, I will.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I have a couple of listener suggestions too, I just
haven't gotten around so like cause a lot of them
are like in depth, like very in depth, Like I
gotta read books.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, I've got like one or two like that. I'm like,
dang it, I gotta order a book.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Doesn't have too many hobbies?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh my god, Yeah, I feel. And also I've I've
told my wife this already. I definitely want to get
a second microphone and have her come on for like
an episode or two. Specifically, I really want to cover
the twenty seven club because she has some like, yes,
as like astrology based theories as to why something like
that exists, and I'm like so excited to like have
(25:51):
her talk about that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, I've heard of the twenty seven club. For those
who don't know, it's like celebrities who died at twenty
seven for like random reasons. Yes, it's like the age
twenty seven is cursed.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yes, yes, and my lovely wife has some interesting theories
as to why. And I want her to talk about
it because I love listening to her talk. We should
get Eric on. I don't know what that what he
would talk about. But we should get Eric on. So
what's he like?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
This man watches like mysteries and stuff and like unknown stuff,
but he won't listen to the show.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want to use mister Ballin impression. I don't even
care what he talks about. And I'm like, all right,
five minutes, pretend to me, mister Ballin, talk about whatever
you want.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Go. But yeah, he just listens. Like we'll watch YouTube
videos of like the mysterious fire of like this building
in eighteen seventy whatever, and it's like like, not you,
it's not me because I don't care enough Eric.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
He's like, I support you from a distance.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Okay, thanks, Thanks, He's holding a sign in the background.
It's it's like, oh, okay, love.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Go Okay, yay.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Cast that pod.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Alrighty well, you guys can always email us at a
Little Wicked Podcast at gmail dot com. Send us a
message on any of our socials. Send us I don't know,
a blimp a message.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
They still like the blimp still exist.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I don't know. I haven't seen a blimp in probably
twenty years.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I feel like after the Hiddenburg incident, people were like,
maybe this isn't the best idea for air travel.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
They used to be like Goodyear blimps all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right, Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I meane they made budget cuts specifically related to the blimp,
the economies and shambles. We had to discontinue blimps.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
So that's all I have, And again didn't think of
an adjective. I'm never going to do that. I forget
every single time. I'll just put that was historically what ed?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That was a good one. Uh, this one is such
a cop out, but that was mysteriously wicked. Oh,
This podcast discusses true crime, which may entell violence, and
other material intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Hey,
it's Kayla and it's Lexi and I hope you guys
enjoyed our last episode with our little guests that we had.
We were both pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, that was awesome. That was That was a really
really exciting episode to have, like just to talk about
his podcast. And then it's I feel like it's always
fun whenever we have a guest on. It's just like
an additional person to like react and contribute to everything.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, just the Jim jab with exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, we love having guests. If you guys have you know,
a podcast or anything like, feel free to reach out
to us. Like we're always happy to like do swaps
and ship.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah. I think we should start doing more truly like
guests and stuff. That'd be really fun. And then I
don't know, if you let me know if you guys
started listening to his show. I listened to one of
his episodes. I think it was about the West Virginia
something of the West Virginia mountains. Oh, started listening to it.
It's pretty interesting. I haven't listened to a podcast in months.
(01:19):
Like as ironic as that.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Is, I know, I go through phases where I listen
to a ton of podcasts while like cleaning and stuff,
and then I go through phases where I'm just like
strictly listening to music, and I'm like in such a
music phase. I am really excited though, to dive into
his I'm so sorry if you guys can hear my
dog chasing her own tail in the background, but I'm
(01:43):
really excited to dive into that podcast because it sounds
really exciting and like really up my alley, and like
I have it in my queue for when I'm ready
to go from like music to podcast again.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
There's I just need to listen to stuff, listening to
some podcasts, Like all right now, I'm in my Good
Charlotte Pandora phase. Okay, it's either Good Charlott or sleep
Tooken Pandora and I just have a listened to a
podcast and who knows how long you.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Know, I was actually listening to, uh, oh my gosh,
what's been in my likes lately? Japanese breakfast and lo fi?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
What's Japanese breakfast? Yeah? You ever?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You ever listened to Japanese Breakfast. No, I really like her.
I got. I got into Japanese Breakfast, like I think
back when I still lived in Pittsburgh, and like She's
one of those artists that I'll like forget about for
a little while and then I'll like rediscover it and
I'm like, oh my god, I love Japanese Breakfast, and
then like I'll continue like forgetting about her for like
a year and like rediscovering her.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh. I thought it was like a genre.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I was like, call me, you know, the artist's name
is Japanese Bukast.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That makes a little bit more sense kind of, but
not really.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've been listening to cafe music.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh, he says, to listen to cafe music, I said,
I used to do that when I would like do research,
It'd be like rain with like voices in the background.
I got a cafe.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Ooh I used to do. I would have one tab
open to like lo fi, and then another tab open
to like rain, and then another one open to like
a crackling fire. And that is how I would do,
like like when I worked my research job, Like that's
how I would do like data entry. I would just
like plug in my headphones and have my little white
(03:30):
noise and just do like like hours of like data
entry like vibein like I was in a cabin.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I used to listen to brown noise, which just
sounds like an air like air conditioner. Ooh mean my husband,
like we have a big TV in our room, and
we used to listen to rain at night to fall
asleep to on YouTube. We had to stop that because
at like three am, a Toyota fon commercial would just
like it'd be like get your Toyota thought trick now
(04:03):
for zero persona APR. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, it
is three am. We cannot do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh no, You're like we need YouTube premium or like
we can't do this. Oh my god. I I think
I think I had that happen one time. God. I
can't remember what the context was, but I have definitely
like I've definitely had some big similar habit. I've also
seen those videos that's like ten hours of white noise
(04:32):
occasionally interrupted by the sound of someone like dropping a
metal pipe, like for like the tuc about gong noise.
I tried to make that like my my notification sound
on my iPhone and I cannot figure out how to
do that. If there's a way, someone please tell me.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They're used to like like ten or so years ago.
That used to be like a website where you could
like download like ring tones of stuff. I sang on iPhone, like,
you can't do that anymore. I know, the cracked down
on it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Good old days. Do you remember jail breaking your iPhone?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I never did it, but I know people that have.
Is that, like what is it? You can like do
whatever you want on that phone At that point.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I kind of I just did mind to like customize it,
Like I jail broke my iPod Touch because this was
like pre iPhone, and I jail broke it to be
this like this is when zombies were like super big,
and it was like a zombie theme. So like my
my like shut off noise. When you would hit the
the power button, it would sound like a like a
shotgun cocking, and then it was like blood splatters and
(05:38):
like broken like fence material, and I was just like
this is great. I definitely risked my my I pod
Touch not working anymore for like very minimal customization for I.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Feel like down Dixon there for a minute, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What was and it was. I was like, I never
was even one of those people that really got into
The Walking Dead, Like I just liked zombies. I was
like a concept.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Mm hmmm. So I was one of those people that
got into The Walking Dead until like I don't know,
I stopped watching after a couple of seasons, and then
I played zombies on Call of Duty all the time
in high school.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I actually I specifically got Call of Duty Black Ops
of all consoles on my Wii simply because I wanted
to play the zombies.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I didn't even have made it for the week you
made it for the Weed, do you know?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Funny that is because they had like the super realistic,
like they had the million to one controllers. So I
had my little like shotgun WE or rifle WE controller
whatever it is, and I was like very immersive.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's probably like that for like the Switch now too,
I guess, because there's like like shooting games like that
you can use.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes I got me Me and my dad
would do zombie maps together, but we were like really
bad at it, like collectively, me and my father were
terrible at Black Ops, but like that didn't stop us.
I'm trying. Yeah. We were also bad at guitar hero,
which also didn't stop us.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I was, I was, I was stupid good at guitar hero.
I did expert that for you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I couldn't get past medium. And you know what, I
also played actual guitar for like years, and I never
got good at it. Like you think eventually, you're like I,
if I just keep going, I will get good eventually.
Not not if you're me.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
For some reason, I couldn't do the drums though. I
could never get ahold of the drums like on rock band.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, I actually never played rock band like I don't.
I would not know how to do the other instruments.
I was really good at Dance Dance Revolution, like I
was slamming the expert level at Dance Dance Revolution.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Did you ever play play that in gym class?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Or is that just like a unique experience.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I feel like I might have. Actually, I feel like
I might have played Dance Dance Revolution in Jim class
with the kids who took gym class too seriously are
up to nowadays?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Right right when I said that, my wife from the
other room went me, did.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
She take it really seriously that I'm assuming?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yes? In her defense. She is very competitive and extremely athletic.
I mean that is how we met. But that was
just really funny. I was not expecting to hear that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I don't know anybody that took well personally now
that took Jim class. Seriously, I'm sure they're just thriving,
like existent theory, existent theory, doing their dance dance revolution
and in private.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well one of them is in my living room, so
you know, big fan personally of that one.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Alrighty, if we are ready, I will get into my
little story that I have for you guys today.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I straight up forgot we were recording, thought were still
doing our pre episode. What's today's episode about?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Today? Is like a mystery?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Like we like we don't know, like we don't know
what the episode's about, or like you know, like.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We don't know what happened. Oh, it's like.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That makes more sense. I drank the stupid juice this morning.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I shall call her Mystery or Debbie or Debbie. So
today's episode is about Edward the fifth and Richard, Duke
of York, the Princes in the Tower. Have you heard
of these guys?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, like maybe in my D and D campaign. This
is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, these were two young boys and we don't know
what happened to them.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh shit, okay, I'm locked in. I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So our story starts with the War of the Roses,
a series of conflicts that rage between fourteen fifty five
and fourteen eighty seven that were a fight for control
of the English throne between the houses of Lancaster and York.
It was called the War of the Roses as the
York's symbol was the white rose and the Lancaster was
the red rose like on their like coat of arms.
(10:17):
So they just got the War of the Roses.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I feel like I've heard of that before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
The conflicts started on May twenty second, fourteen fifty five,
as at the First Battle of Saint Albans, when the Yorkists,
who were led by Richard, Duke of York, clashed with
the Lancaster forces of King Henry the sixth. During the
next thirty years, the crown would be exchanged many times,
with both sides having wins and losses. Can you imagine
(10:46):
how confusing like that could be? Like just imagine like
in today's like let's say you get a new president
like every couple months, because they just keep fighting for
the title.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I cannot imagine, Like they couldn't ask, you know how,
like one of the questions they are ask you like
first responders, you know, like what year is it? Like
who's the president? Like they would just have to drop
that one.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Who's president? Shit? If I know? Right? Like I don't remember,
like whoever won last?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, Like I haven't been keeping up with the games.
You gotta ask me who won the super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
This is like this is like Game of Thrones, like
Jesus the York's game the upperhand in fourteen sixty one,
when Edward the fourth, son of Duke of York, was
made king after the Battle of Tauton. His reign spanned
from fourteen sixty one to fourteen eighty three, except in
the years of fourteen seventy to fourteen seventy one when
(11:41):
Henry the six was on the throne from winning a battle.
During that time, Edward the fifth and his mother had
sank sh oh wow wait, I got like a time
mixed up?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh what happened?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So in fourteen six Edward married Elizabeth Woodville, which turned
out to be a problem as the Woodvilles were previous
supporters of the Lancasters, meaning they were untrustworthy and suspicious
in the eyes of the orcists, and the two had
several kids. The eldest son was Edward the Fifth born
November two, fourteen seventy So during the time that Henry
(12:23):
the sixth was on the throne, Edward the Fifth and
his mother had sanctuary at Westminster Abbey, and Edward's reign
had relative stability and economic growth. So during this time,
tensions between the Woodville's and those loyals of Gloucester escalated,
which led to arrests and executions of key Woodville supporters,
(12:43):
including the king's uncle Anthony Woodville. Second Earl Rivers Richard
of Shrewsbury was born August seventeenth, fourteen seventy three, and
this made him a Duke of York, making him a
significant person in the dynasty. In fourteen seventy eight, at
one four years old, he was married to Ana Molbray,
who was an eight year old heiress to the Marlbray estates.
(13:06):
In this marriage made that Yorks more powerful. It's it's
still crazy to me, like how they would just marry
kids off.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So creepy, so so creepy, and what's weird what's nuts
to me is I think a lot of people assume
that that was just like common practice for like common
people throughout history. It's basically always been like a taboo
thing for like your average person. Like there's never a
period in history where it was like normalized to marry
that young. It was like strictly nobility, and like basically
(13:36):
all the commoners were were just in agreement that it
was like fucked up. Like everyone was like, yeah, the
royals do that and it's messed up.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, and it's just like to balance power and gain power,
like that'show.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah and Crezy weird, and like half the time they're
related because like we go to keep the royal blood
pure and then they're like, why do our habsburgs look
like that?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Literally, So, Edward the Fourth suddenly died on April ninth,
fourteen eighty three, meaning that twelve year old Edward the
Fifth was to inherit the throne from him. Being that
he was so young, his uncle, Richard, Duke of Gloucester,
was named Lord Protector for the time being. At the
time of his father's death, Edward was in Ludlow, which
(14:21):
was a stronghold of the Prince of Wales. He journeyed
to London for the coronation, but the political landscape shifted dramatically.
His own uncle, Richard the third showed up as a
challenger to the throne. He was the one who was
the lord protector of Edward the fifth. Okay, On Edward's
journey he was intercepted by his uncle. And during this time, oh,
(14:44):
I already read that part. I put it another twice,
I thought to delete it. So during two episodes ago,
so yeah. The tensions between the Woodvilles and those lords
of the Gloucester escalated, which led to rest and executions
of Keywoodviills porters, including the king's uncle Anthony Woodville In
Richard Gray, which was Edward the Fifth's half brother. With
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Edward the fifth under his control, he escorted the boy
to the Tower of London and soon had his little brother,
Richard of Shrewsbury join him. In June fourteen eighty three
of the cleric Ralph Shaw declared that Edward the Fourth's
marriage to Elizabeth was bigamous, meaning that their kids were illegitimate.
(15:28):
This claim was based on the assertion that Edward the
fourth was betrothed to Eleanor Butler, making the marriage to
Elizabeth Nulan Voyd. It's unsure if that assertion is true
or not. It was just kind of like, hey, we
don't really want him on like your kids on the throne,
so we're just going to throw this out there that
maybe they're illegitimate so they can't take the throne.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So June twenty sixth Lords and Commoners and dors Richard's
claim to the throne. By July sixth, fourteen eighty three,
he was crown Richard the Third at Westminster Abbey. So
the last confirmed sighting of the boys was the summer
of fourteen eighty three in the Tower of London. So
with the Tower's history, their stay had ominous undertones, and
(16:10):
their time with the tower is unknown as shrouded in mystery.
So the tower was kind of known for being like
used for like imprisonment, torture. It kind of had like
that dark history that I'm sure like every English history
like story that we could ever tell has something to
do with the Tower of London.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Oh probably, Yeah, absolutely, the Tower of London is infamous.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, we could probably do a whole episode on the tower,
you know what, I might do a whole episode.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, let me just write that down somewhere. Let
me take a note here. Oh quack uh.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
The boys had been seen playing in the tower and
on the grounds. As time went on, though sightings of
them became scarce. By the time Richard was crowned king,
they had all but basically vanished. Rumors of them had
started as circulate, such as have they been sent away?
Were they isolated from everyone? Or were they just murdered.
(17:08):
The murder theory, of course, gained the most traction among people,
especially detractors, who saw it as evidence of Richard's ruthlessness
and as they excuse to try and get him off
the throne. In sixteen seventy four, were jumping to the
future a little bit. A wooden box was discovered with
two small skeletons inside under a staircase during renovations. Oh yeah,
(17:30):
it was immediately thought that it was the prince's. King
Charles the third ordered the bones to be reinterred in
Westminster Abbey. They were examined in the twentieth century, but
unfortunately couldn't identify the bones, leaving the whole situation a mystery.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The most prevalent theory points to their uncle and It
is believed that by many historians and Sir Thomas Moore,
in his book The History of King Richard I I
in the early sixth seenth century, he claimed that they
were smothered. Shakespeare's portrayal of him was as a murderer
as well, but concrete evidence of ether theory does not exist.
(18:11):
Another theory implicates the Duke of Buckingham, who was a
loyal ally of Richard, who later turned against him. He
had access to the tower and a motive. His motive
was that by killing the princes he would have a
chance at the throne. There is however, no proof of
this either. Henry the Seventh, the founder of the Tudor dynasty,
(18:31):
is also a suspect. He got the throne after Richard's
two year rule when he died, and killing the princes
would have solidified his claim and removed york threats. Other
theories claim they were moved and lived in obscurity, but
there's also no proof of that, and their vanishing marked
the end of the Yorkish line and paved way for
(18:52):
new dynasties.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Oh that's insane. It's just the line just terminates right there,
just stops right there. Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's all I have on these two. I know that
was like not a bunch, but like it's still like
nobody knows what happened to them, Like those bones probably
are them, but there's no way to trace it back
to them because there's like no DNA to compare it to.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah. Yeah, and I mean that would be too early
for like dental records, you know, or any other way
we have of identifying.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, I guess I got the YouTube video I watched.
There's a spot at the Tower of London mm hm
that says this is where the box of the skeletons
was found that you can go and see, which I
thought was like pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Are they like on like other skeletons themselves, like still
on display?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I don't think they're on display.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay, okay, it's just like the box.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, it just says like this is where they were found.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's interesting. I don't know, man touring the Tower of
London that that must be like an oppressive energy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I sense a little wicked trip. Yes to the Tower
of London.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Let me renew my a passport and we are going
to go to the Tower of London. Let me get
a passport and we can go to the Tower of
Step one, we obtain a passport.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, there's like no evidence of like them being murdered,
no evidence of them being like shoved to like another
family to live in obscurity for the rest of their life.
They just kind of disappeared off the face of the earth.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
That's really strange. I mean, like you said, the most
obvious explanation is they were in some way murdered and
stuffed in a box, and like that's that. But it's
just I don't know, it just seems so ridiculous that
such high profile people could be murdered and then just
like and then that's it, you know, and then like
there's a suspect, you know, like some best guesses, and
(20:48):
then just nothing and we're all murders just like that.
Back in the day, like because they had so little
like organized forensic investigation, that people would just get killed
and everyone was like, eh, so much.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I do like it hadn't been so easy to get
away with murder back then, Like there's no like there's
no evidence, there's no forensics, there's there's nothing, like you said,
mm hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You basically had to wait for like the person to
be like haunted by their latent oncoming schizophrenia, like and
tell telle heart and like you get a hold for the best,
you know where the dudes like, yeah, come over and
have some tea, ignore the beating heart under the floorboards.
And then they're just like, hey, what we have a warrant?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
By the way, is that blood on your hands?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah? So this is I've heard of this story before
on another podcast. It it's been a long time, and
I thought it was interesting. Then it caught my attention.
So I want to know what you guys think, if
you guys have heard of this case, if you have
like any thoughts of what happened to these boys, I'll
put like the YouTube video I watched in the show
(22:00):
notes like all my links and in the show notes
like always but yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I see. I've never heard of this case either. I
thought that was really interesting. I didn't realize that's basically
how the Tutors became established as a line that was
before them just stopped abruptly, and then another line was
like our turn.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Literally that's all the that's crazy. The reins of the
English throne were like, hey, my turn. Nope, Dibbs dips me.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I want to turn like that's crazy, that's absolutely crazy.
Oh man, yeah, I look like.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
We could do a whole episode on that too.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
On what the the I don't I don't want to
like I that is all you, because something about British
Royalty bores me to absolute tears. The only thing I'm
really passionate about is I want to resurrect all of
Henry the Eight's wives, and also resurrect Henry the eighth,
and I want to let each of his wives kill him,
and then I want to keep bringing him back so
(22:59):
they can all do it. It's about it. Yeah, that's
where it ends for me. Dig him up and shoot
him again. He didn't get shot, but guillotine him again.
Whatever the hell happened to his ass?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I have no idea shoot him again.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Whatever it is, do it again, give him another heart attack.
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think it was beheaded if he's want to think
it of hell, yeah, that's Henry the eighth, Henry.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Eighth, out of your googling the eighth.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Dig died.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Just this, that's all I said. Like you died death.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It just says he died.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's like it's like Royal is like royal hand walked
in and was like, miskey, shah, he fucking did he died?
I don't know, but he sure did.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
How did Henry eight die? I'm not even putting like
the v I I I. I'm putting like eight bronco pneumonia,
heart failure or kidney failure, get out of death.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Every single one of his organs was just collectively like
fuck this guy. Literally.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But yeah, so we have that, and I'm working on
something special for my next episode.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I'm so excited. I can't reveal. I know what it is,
but I can't reveal what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, I'm excited too.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I also have a special idea for people I do
I do. It's something that was like listeners suggested to
me like a while ago that I'm finally getting to.
I've just been waiting for like my schedule to allow
for me to like put a good amount of effort
into something that's like an unsolved mystery. So I'm like,
(25:00):
I'm pretty excited about it.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Oh, I'm excited. I love a good unsolved mystery.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Me who, And I also love listeners suggestions. I love
when people coming to me and they're like, you should
cover this, and I'm like, thank you, Queen, absolutely, I will.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I have a couple of listener suggestions too, I just
haven't gotten around so like cause a lot of them
are like in depth, like very in depth, Like I
gotta read books.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, I've got like one or two like that. I'm like,
dang it, I gotta order a book.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Doesn't have too many hobbies?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh my god, Yeah, I feel. And also I've I've
told my wife this already. I definitely want to get
a second microphone and have her come on for like
an episode or two. Specifically, I really want to cover
the twenty seven club because she has some like, yes,
as like astrology based theories as to why something like
that exists, and I'm like so excited to like have
(25:51):
her talk about that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, I've heard of the twenty seven club. For those
who don't know, it's like celebrities who died at twenty
seven for like random reasons. Yes, it's like the age
twenty seven is cursed.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yes, yes, and my lovely wife has some interesting theories
as to why. And I want her to talk about
it because I love listening to her talk. We should
get Eric on. I don't know what that what he
would talk about. But we should get Eric on. So
what's he like?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
This man watches like mysteries and stuff and like unknown stuff,
but he won't listen to the show.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want to use mister Ballin impression. I don't even
care what he talks about. And I'm like, all right,
five minutes, pretend to me, mister Ballin, talk about whatever
you want.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Go. But yeah, he just listens. Like we'll watch YouTube
videos of like the mysterious fire of like this building
in eighteen seventy whatever, and it's like like, not you,
it's not me because I don't care enough Eric.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
He's like, I support you from a distance.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Okay, thanks, Thanks, He's holding a sign in the background.
It's it's like, oh, okay, love.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Go Okay, yay.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Cast that pod.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Alrighty well, you guys can always email us at a
Little Wicked Podcast at gmail dot com. Send us a
message on any of our socials. Send us I don't know,
a blimp a message.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
They still like the blimp still exist.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I don't know. I haven't seen a blimp in probably
twenty years.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I feel like after the Hiddenburg incident, people were like,
maybe this isn't the best idea for air travel.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
They used to be like Goodyear blimps all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right, Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I meane they made budget cuts specifically related to the blimp,
the economies and shambles. We had to discontinue blimps.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
So that's all I have, And again didn't think of
an adjective. I'm never going to do that. I forget
every single time. I'll just put that was historically what ed?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That was a good one. Uh, this one is such
a cop out, but that was mysteriously wicked. Oh,
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