May 10, 2024 • 39 mins
Kayla talks about songs written about true crime.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ehisosifo1/songs-inspired-by-true-crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) https://www.biography.com/athlete/rubin-carter https://www.georgialeahmoses.com/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-Ramirez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chambers_(criminal)#Killing_of_Jennifer_Levin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Hall_disaster https://www.ranker.com/list/songs-about-real-murder-cases/jacob-shelton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgway
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ehisosifo1/songs-inspired-by-true-crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) https://www.biography.com/athlete/rubin-carter https://www.georgialeahmoses.com/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-Ramirez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chambers_(criminal)#Killing_of_Jennifer_Levin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Hall_disaster https://www.ranker.com/list/songs-about-real-murder-cases/jacob-shelton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgway
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This podcast discusses true crime, whichmay tell violence, and other material intended
for a mature audience. Listener discretionis advised, and it's Lexi. And
before we get started today, Ikind of have some news for you guys.
It might be a bit of abummer, but we are going to
take the summer off. It willpick back up in August. We both
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just have a lot going on.We're not given like as quality content as
maybe we would like to give,Like we're just kind of throwing stuff together
to get it through the week.So we're just going to take the summer
off come back with some better stufffor you guys. If you still always
reach us in the discord, youcan always message us, you can always
send us an email, you canalways We're always there. We're not disappearing
for good. We're just we justneed a break, have a little summer
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vacation. We've been We've had alittle life has been life has been happening
for both of us. So yeah, we're we're taking a little heatus,
which I feel like other podcasts dothis all the time, so I'm trying
not to mostly, I don't knowif I'm convincing you guys are convincing myself.
I'm trying not to feel bad,but yeah, really, we're going
to take the summer, do somemore research work on some quality content,
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and just kind of come back swingin. But yeah, we're still going
to be honestly, I'm going tosee if I can still make content maybe
for shorts and stuff. We're stillabsolutely going to be in the discord.
We will be taking suggestions. Weare literally always taking suggestions, so don't
stop seeing them. Like, maybeI'll have time this summer. I have
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a whole list on my notes phone, on my notes up on my phone,
and I have probably one hundred andten suggestions on here. I'm just
saying, wow, I don't getI don't have that many, but I've
got a lots, but like ideaswant to do, I haven't had any
more prophetic dreams since the one episodeidea came to me in a dream.
I'm still waiting to see if thathappens again. But yeah, and hopefully
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you know, now that we're onthe YouTube, hopefully next time I won't
be podcasting from a basement. Hopefullywhen I come back. I mean,
I'm an actual setup here. Kayla'sgot all the pretty plants behind her.
That's a hot water here. Ishould put stickers on it. You just
seem like a green screen. Ishould make a green screen zoom background of
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like me bringing myself coffee halfway throughthe episode. It would be funny.
That would already. So I gotsomething for you guys today. I couldn't
think of what else to do.It pops in my head. I'm gonna
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talk to you guys about songs thatwere based on crimes that happened. I
was just talking about the other day. Really, yeah, because so good.
Oh sorry, I was. Ithink there's a tiny little bit of
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lag. Hopefully it results, butI think what what brought it up is
we were listening to Hayloft by MotherMother. I had gotten I had gotten
Rachel into Mother Mother, and shedidn't know like we were talking about Hayloft
because I was telling her, I'mlike, it's a fiction. It's like
a fictional murder ballad. And thenHayloft too is the follow up, it's
the revenge story. And I wastelling her about how when we did our
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two truths in a lie episode,that was my lie and all my all
my other my other two were likesongs that talked about there's the one missing
person's case in the crime. Sowe were talking about like songs about crimes
the other day because I think Ithink The Racketeers also has a really it's
like a ten minute long song abouta crime. But I cannot remember the
name of the song. I don'tthink i've heard it now. I just
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found like this artist like all thesesongs on crimes, Like I'll just let'll
just peek through here. Nice BuzzFeedcoming through. Probably not BuzzFeed, but
you know, like that's a verylike BuzzFeed asque article back when like BuzzFeed
was in a taday that would belike nineteen songs about crime that you should
stream this summer. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of remind me of like
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your Murder Ballad episode that you dida while ago. But yeah, I'll
just do something on crimes, crimeballad. Alrighty, so crime ballad.
So the first song is called IDon't Like Mondays by Boomtown Rats. Whatever
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happened, Like, did Garfield writethat song? Well, it's kind of
dark. Oh no, it's reeldark. It's a school shooting. Oh
like pumped up kicks. Yeah,except I don't think it's popped up kicks
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about like an actual shooting or justlike shootings in general. I don't think
it's about an actual shooting. Ithink it's like a fictionalized song. Okay,
Okay, yeah, because I knowit's about school shootings. I just
didn't if it was just like aboutthe issue in general, yeah, which
it was like having like a specificevent. I think it was just like
about the topic in general. Idon't think it was referencing anything specific.
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Okay, Well, this song isabout Brenda Ansteer in the shooting at Cleveland
Elementary School in San Diego, California, on January twenty ninth, nineteen seventy
nine. So, during the shooting, the principal and a custodian were killed,
eight kids and police officer Robert robwere injured, and Brenda was a
sixteen year old who lived across thestreet from the school. She was charged
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as an adult, pled guilty tocounts of murder and assault with a deadly
weapon. She was sentenced to lifewith a chance of parola for twenty five
years and is still in prison tothis day. So, when she was
inside the house after the shooting,a reporter called the house and asked her
why she did it, and shesaid, quote, I don't like Mondays.
This livens up the day. Endquote. I'm sorry. I think
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I've seen pictures of her because femaleschool shooters are very few and far between,
and I think, like, Ithink i've seen the one you're tu
you just said this was in theseventies, Like, I think she is
like long hair and yes, yes, that's the exact image I'm picturing that
was. I didn't know the storybehind it, Like I knew that she
was a school shooter, but Ididn't really look into it farther from there.
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I've just seen it in passing.That is what she said. Mm
hmm. She doesn't like Mondays.That's all she did for, not that
there's ever really good and she doesn'tlike much a good reason to commit a
crime like that. But that's notlike she was like bullied or anything like
that. Like for her mind tohave a reason exactly like that's just I
mean, true blue psychopathy. Reallywow. Yeah. So Brenda was the
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youngest of three and the daughter ofdivorce parents. She lived in poverty with
her dad and they both slept ona single mattress in the living room with
empty bottles around the apartment from heralcoholic father. She claims dealing with neglect
from her mother and sexual abuse fromher father, which both parents deny.
So I'm not sure which is thetruth, because they're going to deny it.
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I don't know, right, they'regoing to deny it either way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shewas known to hate police officers and talked
about shooting them and doing something toget on TV. She is self described
as radical, but others just calledher crazy. Once she had a psych
evaluation for a depression and needed hospitalized, but her father refused. Instead,
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he got her a Ruger ten twentytwo semi automatic twenty two caliber rifle with
telescopic sight in five hundred rounds ofAMMO for Christmas. When she asked for
radio, I'm sorry, she said, Hey, I'm depressed. I would
like to see a doctor. Andher dad was like, here's a huge,
massive gun, and I mean enoughAMMO to fell An army. Yeah.
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Like, she asked for a radioand he heard that and ran with
guns and was like guns, Like, got it? Radio, gun,
radio, He got an easy mistaketo make. Wow. Yeah. When
when asked about it, she saidquote he bought me the rifle, so
I would kill myself. End quote. I look, it's hard, it's
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hard not to not to, youknow, kind of give a little credence
to that. Like obviously she wasnot well, you know, insane to
say like, oh, I didschool shooting because Monday suck. But I
mean she did say I'm depressed andand I want therapy, and her parents
went, no, here's a gun. I mean, yeah, yeah,
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So she started shooting on Monday,January twenty ninth. The casualties were avoided
after police moved a garbage truck inher line of fire. She fired thirty
six times. Afterwards, she barricadedherself in the house, but left when
she was promised Burger King. She'snot the Okay. What's crazy to me
is she wouldn't be the only schoolshe wouldn't be the only school shooter to
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be basically given fast food after beingtaken into custody. I feel like I've
heard of another case. I justcan't. It wasn't it wasn't. It
wasn't Dylan Roof. Was it wasit Dylan Roof? Where the cops I
took into Burger King? But therewas another mass shooter where basically the cops
just like stopped at Burger King becauseit caused it. I can't of outrage.
M hm, I remember that.I just can't remember the name for
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the life of me. But yeah, so that that is. I don't
like Mondays. The song is verydepressing. I listened to the majority of
these for like about a minute orso, like some of the lyrics let
me find here. I don't likeMondays. I want to shoot the whole
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day down. And school's out earlyand soon we'll be leaving learning and the
lessons today is how to die.Wow. Yeah, that's dark. Yeah.
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The next song is called Hurricane byBob Dylan, the one Robin Hurricane
Carter. I haven't I mean,Bob Dylan's pretty popular artists. So I
feel like a lot of people probablyheard this song. There's one on here.
I know we've both definitely heard thatninety percent of people have heard.
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But I didn't know the history ofit. But we'll get into that when
we get there. Yeah, okay. So he was a boxer who was
imprisoned for the murders of three peoplein Lafayette bar and grill in nineteen sixty
six and released after nineteen years,so he was falsely imprisoned after two trials.
He wasn't the guy that did it, but he was just kind of
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like a suspect of convenience. Itsounds like okay, okay okay. So
on June seventeenth, nineteen sixty six, the two men entered the bar and
grill and started shooting in Paterson,New Jersey. Carter and John Artists fit
the Iwennis description, which was justtwo black men in a white car,
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so they were pulled over and arrested. First, they were declared by a
grand jury when one victim failed toid him as a gunman. The state
then had two witnesses, Alfred Bellowand Arthur D. Bradley, who identified
them. During the trial, theprosecution made little connection linking Carter and Artists,
and they would later come out thatthe witnesses were petty criminals who were
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offered less time if they testified againstCarter and Artists. Oh wow. On
June twenty ninth, nineteen sixty seven, Carter and Artists were convicted of the
murders and sentenced three life terms,but eventually they were freed November seventh,
nineteen eighty five, and if Irecall correctly listening to the song, it
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mentioned like being black in this area, how you would just be arrested Like
that was very racially motivated during thistrial. Yeah. The next song is
called Georgia Lee by Tom Waits,which I listened to Tom Waits, and
I've never heard the song. Idon't listen to a lot of Tom Waits,
but like, yeah, okay,this was just about the death of
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Georgia Leah Moses. On August twentysecond, nineteen ninety seven, a Cultren's
worker fixing a broken guardrail on highwaywent to one at Petaluma, California,
found a nude body. You havea young woman. Georgia was last seen
August thirteenth, and anonymous tips saidit could be Georgia. Her case is
still cold to this day, andthere's a whole website dedicated to her in
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like any tips or anything that youhave. Okay, Wow, this is
the song I was talking about.Song number four is Smooth Criminal by Michael
Jackson. Okay, I know areally crazy like butterfly effect about this case,
but I'm gonna wait. I'm gonnawait to see if you talk about
it before I get into my spielprobably not mine just goes into like who
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it's about. Okay, So ifyou want to go on, okay,
no, but I think I thinkit mine might be about who it's about.
So like I'm not gonna do yourepisode, okay, Like I don't
want to accinditely do that to likego for it and then if it's not
it and then I'll be like Ihave a follow up. Okay. So
the song is about the night stalkerRichard Ramirez. Oh never mind, keep
going though. Do you know thatRichard Ramirez? Yeah? Have you heard
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of him? M yes. Hewas the one that primarily worked in the
not worked but like went through thehotel, like like that's where he found
and took his victims. Correct,was there was an hotel? Okay?
Mm hmm yeah, the cecil,I think. But yeah, he's one
that I'm probably never going to cover, not only because I have a million
other podcasts covered it, but likehis case just grosses me out. Yeah,
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just it's Coucki m mmmm. Andhe's unfortunately, he's one of those
serial killers that when people start toget a little fangirly over serial killers like
Richard Ramirez is kind of always there. So it's just it always just makes
me a little uneasy, and likedon't understand that even from like finding a
personal attractive point of view, becausefrom what I understand, he didn't bathe
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he didn't brush his teeth, likebeside the fact that he raved and murdered
people, he was just gross.It was a grossy pool. So he
was a serial killer, rapist,and burglar who killed at least thirteen people
in California in nineteen eighty four.In nineteen eighty five, he was sentenced
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My dog has thanks to mall Luna, he was sentenced to death and died
in prison. So whenever he wastwelve, his cousin, who was a
Vietnam VET, showed him photos ofwomen he raped, tortured, and decapitated.
And then he saw his cousin shoothis own wife. Like there's a
whole history from when I remember likelistening to the podcast of him and his
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cousin being so close and like showinghim how to torture women. Yeah,
like I said, he's cocky.He then started breaking into Holmes as a
teen. As an adult, hewould break into Holmes, rape and torture
the victims and put satanic symbols everywhere. He was eventually found and chased and
beaten by a crowd of people untilpolice showed up. Oh wow, So
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what I remember correctly, It's beena while since I hurt his case,
But what I vaguely remember he wouldalways, like during his like hos Spield,
he would tell people to like,God is it real? Blah blah
blah, statan rules all. Butlike whenever he was being the ship was
being beaten out of him by acrowd of people. The police showed up
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and he said, oh, thankGod, like thank you? Yeah,
Like what's that? What's the sayingthere's no atheist in fox hole? It's
just one of those Yeah, Idon't know. Oh is that like whenever
like you like bamba fox holes?Yeah. The saying there's no atheists in
foxholes refers to basically when people becomevery you know, very desperate, like
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how you would be in a foxhole in war. I mean, it
doesn't matter what your convictions are,you're going to start begging. You're just
gonna kind of pick a god andpray sort of deal. You know.
Yeah, it's not you know,it's not like an It's not really a
term used to well, I actuallydon't know how it's used, but and
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so a higher being and more sothat when humans are scared, they'll get
desperate and just you know, startbelieving in whatever to as as a self
soothing organism, because I mean they'llalso people dealing with war and stuff they'll
also shop for. Like that's somethingI learned about in ap Cyite class.
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Was you know of how many soldierson battlefields will like cry out for their
mothers. Yeah, I've heard that, But that's all I have on that
song. So what did you wantto add to it? You said you
have a butterfly effect. So giveme one second to just really quickly refresh
on. I have to look upthis name really really quick. Okay,
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all right, great, Google isabsolutely so. Essentially, there was a
woman discovered a body. There's abody of a woman discovered in a river
in France who her id was neverknown, and I believe she was nicknamed
Annie. I'm gonna do my absolutebest here. Oh sorry, Oh the
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English, Oh good, the Englishis the unknown woman of San and so
her she was known to be verybeautiful, and so she had a death
mask made of her face. Thisis a not a not an uncommon practice
to make death masks. But shewas also an unknown woman, so I
think eventually she was nicknamed Annie atsome point because we did not know her
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name. To this day, wedo not know who the unknown woman found
the san is, but CPR dollswere modeled after her face. So anytime
you see like a a female CPRdoll, that is her face that is
based off the death mask of theunknown Woman of Cen. And so because
she received the nickname Annie, andI believe it is percause the dolls is
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called like UH resusci Anne likes resuscitationand like portmanteau resuscitation and Anne. So
one of the things they teach youin CPR class is UH or CPR training
whatever is obviously confirmed that the personyou're about to start CPR on is unresponsive
because you don't want to do CPRand someone who's alive and responsive, So
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they instruct them to talk to thedolls. They call it Annie. So
you're instructed when giving CPR to sayare you okay? Annie, or some
semblance of that. And so thehook in Smooth Criminal is Annie, Are
you okay? Are you okay?Annie? And that comes from how you
speak to the CPR dolls, whois based off of an unsolved case of
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a woman's remains who is found inFrance in like the seventeen hundreds or something
like that. Sorry, eighteen eighties. Oh oh, that's what I know
about, you know. Yeah,yeah, So that had absolutely nothing to
do with what you just said.So I'm yeah, so that was my
interesting butterfly effect about the song smoothCriminal. I also know for a fact
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that Twilight would not have happened ifnine to eleven did not happen. Wait
a minute, okay, all right, all right, let me go on
my little tangent about that one.So Gerard Way says that watching the Twin
Towers fall as a kid basically directlyinspired him to start making the music that
would become the band My Chemical Romance, and Stephanie Meyer said that she was
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partially inspired by my Chemical Romance anda dream she had to create Twilight.
M So because nine to eleven causedmy Chemical Romance, my chemical Romance caused
Twilight. Nine to eleven caused Twilight. So that's kind of clicking. Because
so I've been like two or threeTwilight groups on Facebook. I love that
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there was like a meme. Thereis meme something about like nine to eleven
and Twilight, and I can't rememberwhat it said exactly, but I'm like,
I don't know what this means.Go past. So yeah, if
there's any other ratties out there,I'm a ratty as well. And if
you don't know what that means,don't worry about it, because that's what
it means. That's what they that'swhat they call each other because it's called
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the Twilight Sewer your sewer post.I kind of miss a Facebook in the
sense that like I was, Iwas in the group like we all pretend
to be an ant colony, andso like one of the posts was like
it was a picture of a poolthat said like help fell in, and
then everyone would comment like link.Or it'd be a picture of like a
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breadcrumb and they'd say need help andwe'd all comment. I completely forgot about
that. I was part of thatgroup for a minute. To Quarantine was
a time we were not okay,No. There was also you pretend you
work in an office building. Ididn't see that one. I didn't see
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the one that's like a group wherewe all pretend to be boomers. But
it got so popular that it waslike no longer fun. Pretend you work
in office building. Okay, thatone sounds funny. I was in a
couple of other like gimmick groups,but for some reason, my I think
the ant one was my favorite one. Yeah, all right, So the
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next song is Jenny was a Friendof Mine by The Killers. I've had
this song on my playlist for likeprobably three years now, and I never
listened to it. I just thoughtthat was like ironic, but like,
yeah, I didn't know it wasabout a true crime case. This is
about the death of Jennifer Levin,who was killed by Robert Chambers, the
preppy killer slash Central Park strangler,on August twenty sixth. In nineteen eighty
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six, eighteen year old Jennifer wasstrangled in New York City Central Park and
Robert was charged with second murder.A cyclist found Jennifer's half nude body on
the morning of August twenty sixth atsix am, and the coroner said she
died around five thirty am. Witnessessaw the two of them leaving the bar
together, so they went to hishouse to question him. He has scratch
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marks all over his face, andsaid it was from the cat, but
later admitted that the cat was toClaude. He denied leaving the bar with
her, but admitted after police saidwitnesses saw them, and during the trial,
the defense said that her death wasdue to rough sex and that she
was promiscuous, had a sex diary, and that her sex history was unmissable
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as evidence. You would cut itat this at this time, Eric's just
creeping around the corner. Oh hi, Eric, Oh, that is what
a horrible thing to bring up ina court of law. Like truly,
oh, I saw his head.He should tattoo it. He should get
a tattoo on his head. Yeah, but yeah, it's so where they
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brought all that up, Like,if you know she did have all that,
what does it matter? It's notexactly I think the thing is is,
at the end of the day,even though logically you're like, why
on earth does it matter, Ithink they're kind of relying on like the
general public having enough bias against thatkind of thing that they're just kind of
like, hmm, you know,sounds accurate, like which was very depressing,
Which is kind of one of theunfortunate realities of relying on things like
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public juries m so Chambers said thatshe was sexually assaulting him, so he
defended himself. I don't know howmuch they actually believed this, but he
was charged with manslaughter and sends tofifteen years. So I didn't look like
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into every detail of the case becauseI wasn't going to do a whole episode
for each song. Yeah, yeah, which makes sense. Yeah, So
he said he was like defending himself, and one of the prosecutor was like,
well, that's the first time aman has said he's defended himself against
the sex crime or something like that, which I mean is obviously not the
first time or the only time.Yeah, but I will say it's very
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gold and half nude. Yeah,it's very common for the people who types
of crimes to say, oh,I was acting in self defense. Oh
I'm the real victim. It's darvo, you know, plain and simple.
So that's that sounds more likely ofwhat was happening. The next song is
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Suffer Little Children by the Smiths.This song is about the Mores murders,
done by Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. These occurred during July nineteen sixty three
to October nineteen sixty five. Thevictims were Pauline Reed, John Kilbride,
Keith Bennett, Leslie and Downey,and Edward Evans, aged between ten and
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seventeen. Four of them were sexuallyassaulted. Two of the bodies were found
in nineteen sixty five on Saddleworth Moore. The third grave was found there in
nineteen eighty seven, twenty years afterthe trial. Bennett's body may be buried
there, but it was never found. They were charged with the deaths of
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Kilbride, Downey, and Evans andall, and they got life sentences.
So yeah. The next one,which I'm sure we all know about this
case is the song is called IJust Shot John Lennon by the grandberrys oh
So Surprise Prize. This is aboutthe murder of John Lennon by Mark David
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Chapman. It happened on October eighth, nineteen eighty. He was shot in
his residence in New York City.Chapman was a jealous and enraged fan and
said he was inspired by Holden Callfieldand The Catcher in the Rye, which
is side note, the worst bookI've ever read in my life because I
hated Holden sucks. I'm so sorry, Like I really liked Catcher in the
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Rye. I really thoroughly enjoyed it, but like holding Cawfield as a character
sucks. So when people tell methey like Catcher in the Rye, I'm
like, oh, awesome, Ireally love that book too, And then
like, oh my god, Iwas obsessed with Holding Cawfield. I'm like,
m m, no, we did. We didn't read the same book.
Nope, You're not supposed to beobsessed with him. He's not.
He's not the good guy. No, didn't he just like call everybody,
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what was it, an idiot orsomething like so pretentious. He's like one,
he's like one moment in the bookwhere he like kind of has a
moment of clarity about like the inherentfleetingness of the innocence of childhood. And
then it's just like, oh,you have two pages of maybe kind of
redemption. But it's like bo JackHorseman. You know, you're kind of
like, oh, is he redeeminghimself? Oh? Nope, no he's
not. Never mind, didn't learnfrom that. Holding Cawfield is bo Jack
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Horseman. I should be an Englishteacher. Actually, my fiance loves English
literature and also BoJack Horseman. I'mgonna run that one buyer and see what
she tells me. Anyway, myleast favorite book was probably of Mice and
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Men. I just find Steinbecker veryboring writer. It's not that I don't
think the content of his book forceis really that important. I understand why
his books are a classic, likeof Mice and Men in Grapes of Wrath,
but unfortunately I found that a terriblyboring readm I never read them.
I probably won't ever. Well,not after my glowing recommendation. No,
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no, not after your good Readsreview. So Chapman planned the killing over
several months, and earlier that eveninghe met like his Double Fantasy album.
Later, he and his wife YokaOna were walking home and Chapman fired his
thirty eight revolver five times, fourof them hitting Lenin in the back.
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He died at age forty and rootsto the hospital. I didn't realize he
was that young whenever he died forty, like got hurt, like I knew
he died, yeah, forty.I don't know if he was that young.
I actually didn't. I don't knowif I ever thought about like the
like I think I thought he wasmiddle aged, but I yeah, like
Morty, that's pretty young. Yeah, and I guess, like, well,
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obviously, like it had a hugeimpact on like fans every but I
guess fans were committing suicide over it, like it had a whole impact on
like the whole Beatles following, whichit would. I just didn't think people
were like when we're committing suicide overuntil I read the article. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah. So the nextsong is Evil by Interpol, and it's
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about Fred and Rosemary West English.I had I think I saw them,
like saw an article of them inPassing a couple of months ago, so
it sounded somewhat familiar. But theywere English serial killers who killed at least
twelve people between nineteen sixty seven andnineteen eighty seven in Gloucestershire. All the
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victims were young women, at leasteight of them raved bondage, tortured and
mutilated. They were buried in Wes'scellar, giving the house the name House
of Horrors. Rose also killed hisstepdaughter and they were arrested in charge in
nineteen ninety four. Oh that's veryrecent. Wow. Yeah. The next
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one is the nineteen thirteen massacre byWoody Guthrie. So this is about the
Italian Hall disaster in nineteen thirteen.On December twenty fourth, nineteen thirteen,
in Calumut, Michigan, there wasa Christmas party in the hall where four
hundred people were attending. Someone shoutedfire when there wasn't one, causing a
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panic, and people stampeded to getout of the building. Seventy three people,
including fifty nine children, were trampledto death. Oh my god,
No one knows who started the panic. Oh my god, all because someone
fire. I'll cut. I mean, I've always known why it's illegal to
like yell fire when there's not one, but I I didn't know that something
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that's a that's an absolutely massive bodycount for an event like that. That's
horrific. Mm hmm. Yeah.And I guess, like the way the
building isn't there anymore, just thearchway is and it's like a memorial now.
But I guess the way the buildingwas set up, it was like
just narrow stairs to go up tothe second floor where the party was,
and people were like trying to likefour hundred people trying to go down these
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narrow sets of stairs, like andjust nobody knows who started started the fire
or a fire started the panic right, and the last one is Deep Red
Bells by Necho Case. This songis about Gary Ridgeway, also known as
the Green River Killer. He killedbetween the early nineteen eighties in late nineteen
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nineties and has forty nine kills,making him the second most prolific serial killer
behind Sam Little. I've been meaningto do an episode on Sam Little.
His is just so he killed likeninety something people. Oh that's horrific.
Yeah, he's got a Yeah.His would be like a three parter.
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I feel so. I haven't hadthe time to do that much. Maybe
this summer I work on him.But Ridgeway would target sex workers and underage
runaways and he would strangle them andperform necrophilia. Oh. He was a
suspect since the nineteen eighty two whenhe was arrested for prostitution, but they
were unable to connect him to thevictims. But thanks to DNA profiling,
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they got him and arrested him onNovember thirtieth, two thousand and one,
and sentenced him to life without parole. Oh wow, and those are my
songs of crime. Those were someof them, like like I've heard of
but like it was a good varietyof crimes. I feel like, Yeah,
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the fire one kind of like threwme through a loop. I was
like, because I've been doing likeall these murders and serial killers and it's
like, oh, somebody yelled fireand like almost eighty people die. Yeah,
and the fact that they don't knowwho did it, that's nuts.
Yeah they Yeah, I guess likethe whole story is like it was the
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party was for miners who were onstrike, Like they were there with their
families and they don't know somebody whowas like on the other side of the
strike yelled fire to create the panicand break up the party. Just a
lot of conflicting stories about who sawwhat and what happened. Yeah, wow,
Wow that was good. That waslike that there was a lot of
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good variety of things. That wasa really fun episode. Honestly, Now
I feel like I have ideas forlike stuff to cover while we take our
break. Yeah yeah, so yeah, you guys, like I should have
said at the beginning, I recommendlike stopping every couple of minutes and like
listening to the song I'm discussing soyou can like hear like what it's about
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and stuff we've partnered with Spotify toSpotify please sponsor us. That was I
mean, that was great. Thatwas that was great, That was fun,
that was really unique. I'm reallyexcited to take this time and really
bring you guys, like really wellfleshed out episodes, because that's been it's
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been a little bit of a strugglefor us with the last couple of months.
We have been going through a lot, a lot of change for both
of us honestly, life. Youknow, as they say, the years
start coming and they don't stop coming, they really don't. So hopefully I
will have an actual podcasting set upfor everybody when we return, and we'll
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come back with just really good materialfor you guys. I'm excited. Yeah,
it'd be nice to take a littlebreak after three years straight. Yeah,
I think we do kind of haveto pat ourselves on the back.
Truly. We've been leaking at this, yeah, three years with very few
breaks in the first year and ahalf of doing two episodes a week because
I'm a crackhead and thought that wasa good idea, right, Oh my
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god, And then I came onand that was so funny. I was
supposed to guess, like, that'sthe craziest thing was. I was telling
one of my friends about it abouthow I'm like, oh, yeah,
in the early episodes, there's nome like I came on later and they
were like really, I'm like yeah. I was like, there was a
prior host that wasn't able to keepcontinuing. I was like, oh,
well, guest for a while untilwe figured out, and then I was
like I love this, and hereI still am years later. It's been
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a ton of fun and we've keptthis going through a lot. I had
what two surgeries, cancer treatments,one move, a new move, a
breakup, a new relationship like yougot a new dog, a second job
like house rearranging. We need aminute, guys, I just need to
(36:07):
need to be just a little bitlittle breath, need to beleeve please.
I got a new sunset lamp thathappened this week. It doesn't really affect
anything, but you know, it'sjust a positive ya. Go to your
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local five below. They have ledlights, string lights, sunset lamps,
projectors, shower uh shower speakers.By the way, if you don't own
a shower speaker, get a showerspeaker. It's life changing. I don't
have one. I just have aradio in my basement that I can like
connect to bluetube pice I have.I used to have a shower speaker in
Pittsburgh, and I more than oncehave had a good like shower cry with
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some shower song. It was usuallyFolly a Dough like that entire album by
fall Out Boy. I would justbe like in the bathroom, you know,
taking a shower, crying, singingcoffee is for closers. It was
probably I wasn't have my healthiest youknow, but it was deeper than therapy.
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Oh my gosh. Well and itwill miss you guys. You'll probably
miss us. Yeah, Like Isaid, you still reach us whenever wherever
on any of our socials are somethingelse, I would love to be thank
you guys suck for leaving. Evenif it's that. I would love to
(37:37):
get some take the time to setup some new equipment and see if maybe
I can get some guest stars onit, because I do have a friend
of mine that had a near deathexperience that I was like, would you
ever be interested in talking about thaton the podcast? So I think that
would be a lot of fun.Mm hmmm. And I know Rachel probably
starts setting up like yeah, weprobably start setting up like collabs and stuff,
(38:00):
do those more often that. Yeah, that would be a lot of
fun. That would be a ton, a ton of fun. I've been
looking for like local podcasters and stuffwho'd be willing to do crowd Honestly,
the Riverside has proven very helpful inorganizing collapse. We've been able to organize
like four different people, you know, so this has been great. I
think that would be a lot offun, especially now with YouTube. Yeah,
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yeah, well, I guess goodbyefor now. Everybody almost at for
now. Okay, Tiger Tata fornow. We'll miss here, I know,
we'll see We'll see you guys backin August. Enjoy your summers,
have fun, safe summers. Don'tdo anything dumb, not too dumb.
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Where you're gone, You have disappeared, Okay, okay, you froze there
for a second. Alrighty well Ifound out fun that was and we're back.
That was musically wicked. That ohthat was that was lyrically wicked. Oh
This podcast discusses true crime, whichmay tell violence, and other material intended
for a mature audience. Listener discretionis advised, and it's Lexi. And
before we get started today, Ikind of have some news for you guys.
It might be a bit of abummer, but we are going to
take the summer off. It willpick back up in August. We both
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just have a lot going on.We're not given like as quality content as
maybe we would like to give,Like we're just kind of throwing stuff together
to get it through the week.So we're just going to take the summer
off come back with some better stufffor you guys. If you still always
reach us in the discord, youcan always message us, you can always
send us an email, you canalways We're always there. We're not disappearing
for good. We're just we justneed a break, have a little summer
(00:57):
vacation. We've been We've had alittle life has been life has been happening
for both of us. So yeah, we're we're taking a little heatus,
which I feel like other podcasts dothis all the time, so I'm trying
not to mostly, I don't knowif I'm convincing you guys are convincing myself.
I'm trying not to feel bad,but yeah, really, we're going
to take the summer, do somemore research work on some quality content,
(01:19):
and just kind of come back swingin. But yeah, we're still going
to be honestly, I'm going tosee if I can still make content maybe
for shorts and stuff. We're stillabsolutely going to be in the discord.
We will be taking suggestions. Weare literally always taking suggestions, so don't
stop seeing them. Like, maybeI'll have time this summer. I have
(01:41):
a whole list on my notes phone, on my notes up on my phone,
and I have probably one hundred andten suggestions on here. I'm just
saying, wow, I don't getI don't have that many, but I've
got a lots, but like ideaswant to do, I haven't had any
more prophetic dreams since the one episodeidea came to me in a dream.
I'm still waiting to see if thathappens again. But yeah, and hopefully
(02:02):
you know, now that we're onthe YouTube, hopefully next time I won't
be podcasting from a basement. Hopefullywhen I come back. I mean,
I'm an actual setup here. Kayla'sgot all the pretty plants behind her.
That's a hot water here. Ishould put stickers on it. You just
seem like a green screen. Ishould make a green screen zoom background of
(02:29):
like me bringing myself coffee halfway throughthe episode. It would be funny.
That would already. So I gotsomething for you guys today. I couldn't
think of what else to do.It pops in my head. I'm gonna
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talk to you guys about songs thatwere based on crimes that happened. I
was just talking about the other day. Really, yeah, because so good.
Oh sorry, I was. Ithink there's a tiny little bit of
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lag. Hopefully it results, butI think what what brought it up is
we were listening to Hayloft by MotherMother. I had gotten I had gotten
Rachel into Mother Mother, and shedidn't know like we were talking about Hayloft
because I was telling her, I'mlike, it's a fiction. It's like
a fictional murder ballad. And thenHayloft too is the follow up, it's
the revenge story. And I wastelling her about how when we did our
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two truths in a lie episode,that was my lie and all my all
my other my other two were likesongs that talked about there's the one missing
person's case in the crime. Sowe were talking about like songs about crimes
the other day because I think Ithink The Racketeers also has a really it's
like a ten minute long song abouta crime. But I cannot remember the
name of the song. I don'tthink i've heard it now. I just
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found like this artist like all thesesongs on crimes, Like I'll just let'll
just peek through here. Nice BuzzFeedcoming through. Probably not BuzzFeed, but
you know, like that's a verylike BuzzFeed asque article back when like BuzzFeed
was in a taday that would belike nineteen songs about crime that you should
stream this summer. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of remind me of like
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your Murder Ballad episode that you dida while ago. But yeah, I'll
just do something on crimes, crimeballad. Alrighty, so crime ballad.
So the first song is called IDon't Like Mondays by Boomtown Rats. Whatever
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happened, Like, did Garfield writethat song? Well, it's kind of
dark. Oh no, it's reeldark. It's a school shooting. Oh
like pumped up kicks. Yeah,except I don't think it's popped up kicks
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about like an actual shooting or justlike shootings in general. I don't think
it's about an actual shooting. Ithink it's like a fictionalized song. Okay,
Okay, yeah, because I knowit's about school shootings. I just
didn't if it was just like aboutthe issue in general, yeah, which
it was like having like a specificevent. I think it was just like
about the topic in general. Idon't think it was referencing anything specific.
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Okay, Well, this song isabout Brenda Ansteer in the shooting at Cleveland
Elementary School in San Diego, California, on January twenty ninth, nineteen seventy
nine. So, during the shooting, the principal and a custodian were killed,
eight kids and police officer Robert robwere injured, and Brenda was a
sixteen year old who lived across thestreet from the school. She was charged
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as an adult, pled guilty tocounts of murder and assault with a deadly
weapon. She was sentenced to lifewith a chance of parola for twenty five
years and is still in prison tothis day. So, when she was
inside the house after the shooting,a reporter called the house and asked her
why she did it, and shesaid, quote, I don't like Mondays.
This livens up the day. Endquote. I'm sorry. I think
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I've seen pictures of her because femaleschool shooters are very few and far between,
and I think, like, Ithink i've seen the one you're tu
you just said this was in theseventies, Like, I think she is
like long hair and yes, yes, that's the exact image I'm picturing that
was. I didn't know the storybehind it, Like I knew that she
was a school shooter, but Ididn't really look into it farther from there.
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I've just seen it in passing.That is what she said. Mm
hmm. She doesn't like Mondays.That's all she did for, not that
there's ever really good and she doesn'tlike much a good reason to commit a
crime like that. But that's notlike she was like bullied or anything like
that. Like for her mind tohave a reason exactly like that's just I
mean, true blue psychopathy. Reallywow. Yeah. So Brenda was the
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youngest of three and the daughter ofdivorce parents. She lived in poverty with
her dad and they both slept ona single mattress in the living room with
empty bottles around the apartment from heralcoholic father. She claims dealing with neglect
from her mother and sexual abuse fromher father, which both parents deny.
So I'm not sure which is thetruth, because they're going to deny it.
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I don't know, right, they'regoing to deny it either way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shewas known to hate police officers and talked
about shooting them and doing something toget on TV. She is self described
as radical, but others just calledher crazy. Once she had a psych
evaluation for a depression and needed hospitalized, but her father refused. Instead,
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he got her a Ruger ten twentytwo semi automatic twenty two caliber rifle with
telescopic sight in five hundred rounds ofAMMO for Christmas. When she asked for
radio, I'm sorry, she said, Hey, I'm depressed. I would
like to see a doctor. Andher dad was like, here's a huge,
massive gun, and I mean enoughAMMO to fell An army. Yeah.
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Like, she asked for a radioand he heard that and ran with
guns and was like guns, Like, got it? Radio, gun,
radio, He got an easy mistaketo make. Wow. Yeah. When
when asked about it, she saidquote he bought me the rifle, so
I would kill myself. End quote. I look, it's hard, it's
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hard not to not to, youknow, kind of give a little credence
to that. Like obviously she wasnot well, you know, insane to
say like, oh, I didschool shooting because Monday suck. But I
mean she did say I'm depressed andand I want therapy, and her parents
went, no, here's a gun. I mean, yeah, yeah,
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So she started shooting on Monday,January twenty ninth. The casualties were avoided
after police moved a garbage truck inher line of fire. She fired thirty
six times. Afterwards, she barricadedherself in the house, but left when
she was promised Burger King. She'snot the Okay. What's crazy to me
is she wouldn't be the only schoolshe wouldn't be the only school shooter to
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be basically given fast food after beingtaken into custody. I feel like I've
heard of another case. I justcan't. It wasn't it wasn't. It
wasn't Dylan Roof. Was it wasit Dylan Roof? Where the cops I
took into Burger King? But therewas another mass shooter where basically the cops
just like stopped at Burger King becauseit caused it. I can't of outrage.
M hm, I remember that.I just can't remember the name for
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the life of me. But yeah, so that that is. I don't
like Mondays. The song is verydepressing. I listened to the majority of
these for like about a minute orso, like some of the lyrics let
me find here. I don't likeMondays. I want to shoot the whole
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day down. And school's out earlyand soon we'll be leaving learning and the
lessons today is how to die.Wow. Yeah, that's dark. Yeah.
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The next song is called Hurricane byBob Dylan, the one Robin Hurricane
Carter. I haven't I mean,Bob Dylan's pretty popular artists. So I
feel like a lot of people probablyheard this song. There's one on here.
I know we've both definitely heard thatninety percent of people have heard.
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But I didn't know the history ofit. But we'll get into that when
we get there. Yeah, okay. So he was a boxer who was
imprisoned for the murders of three peoplein Lafayette bar and grill in nineteen sixty
six and released after nineteen years,so he was falsely imprisoned after two trials.
He wasn't the guy that did it, but he was just kind of
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like a suspect of convenience. Itsounds like okay, okay okay. So
on June seventeenth, nineteen sixty six, the two men entered the bar and
grill and started shooting in Paterson,New Jersey. Carter and John Artists fit
the Iwennis description, which was justtwo black men in a white car,
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so they were pulled over and arrested. First, they were declared by a
grand jury when one victim failed toid him as a gunman. The state
then had two witnesses, Alfred Bellowand Arthur D. Bradley, who identified
them. During the trial, theprosecution made little connection linking Carter and Artists,
and they would later come out thatthe witnesses were petty criminals who were
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offered less time if they testified againstCarter and Artists. Oh wow. On
June twenty ninth, nineteen sixty seven, Carter and Artists were convicted of the
murders and sentenced three life terms,but eventually they were freed November seventh,
nineteen eighty five, and if Irecall correctly listening to the song, it
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mentioned like being black in this area, how you would just be arrested Like
that was very racially motivated during thistrial. Yeah. The next song is
called Georgia Lee by Tom Waits,which I listened to Tom Waits, and
I've never heard the song. Idon't listen to a lot of Tom Waits,
but like, yeah, okay,this was just about the death of
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Georgia Leah Moses. On August twentysecond, nineteen ninety seven, a Cultren's
worker fixing a broken guardrail on highwaywent to one at Petaluma, California,
found a nude body. You havea young woman. Georgia was last seen
August thirteenth, and anonymous tips saidit could be Georgia. Her case is
still cold to this day, andthere's a whole website dedicated to her in
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like any tips or anything that youhave. Okay, Wow, this is
the song I was talking about.Song number four is Smooth Criminal by Michael
Jackson. Okay, I know areally crazy like butterfly effect about this case,
but I'm gonna wait. I'm gonnawait to see if you talk about
it before I get into my spielprobably not mine just goes into like who
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it's about. Okay, So ifyou want to go on, okay,
no, but I think I thinkit mine might be about who it's about.
So like I'm not gonna do yourepisode, okay, Like I don't
want to accinditely do that to likego for it and then if it's not
it and then I'll be like Ihave a follow up. Okay. So
the song is about the night stalkerRichard Ramirez. Oh never mind, keep
going though. Do you know thatRichard Ramirez? Yeah? Have you heard
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of him? M yes. Hewas the one that primarily worked in the
not worked but like went through thehotel, like like that's where he found
and took his victims. Correct,was there was an hotel? Okay?
Mm hmm yeah, the cecil,I think. But yeah, he's one
that I'm probably never going to cover, not only because I have a million
other podcasts covered it, but likehis case just grosses me out. Yeah,
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just it's Coucki m mmmm. Andhe's unfortunately, he's one of those
serial killers that when people start toget a little fangirly over serial killers like
Richard Ramirez is kind of always there. So it's just it always just makes
me a little uneasy, and likedon't understand that even from like finding a
personal attractive point of view, becausefrom what I understand, he didn't bathe
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he didn't brush his teeth, likebeside the fact that he raved and murdered
people, he was just gross.It was a grossy pool. So he
was a serial killer, rapist,and burglar who killed at least thirteen people
in California in nineteen eighty four.In nineteen eighty five, he was sentenced
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My dog has thanks to mall Luna, he was sentenced to death and died
in prison. So whenever he wastwelve, his cousin, who was a
Vietnam VET, showed him photos ofwomen he raped, tortured, and decapitated.
And then he saw his cousin shoothis own wife. Like there's a
whole history from when I remember likelistening to the podcast of him and his
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cousin being so close and like showinghim how to torture women. Yeah,
like I said, he's cocky.He then started breaking into Holmes as a
teen. As an adult, hewould break into Holmes, rape and torture
the victims and put satanic symbols everywhere. He was eventually found and chased and
beaten by a crowd of people untilpolice showed up. Oh wow, So
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what I remember correctly, It's beena while since I hurt his case,
But what I vaguely remember he wouldalways, like during his like hos Spield,
he would tell people to like,God is it real? Blah blah
blah, statan rules all. Butlike whenever he was being the ship was
being beaten out of him by acrowd of people. The police showed up
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and he said, oh, thankGod, like thank you? Yeah,
Like what's that? What's the sayingthere's no atheist in fox hole? It's
just one of those Yeah, Idon't know. Oh is that like whenever
like you like bamba fox holes?Yeah. The saying there's no atheists in
foxholes refers to basically when people becomevery you know, very desperate, like
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how you would be in a foxhole in war. I mean, it
doesn't matter what your convictions are,you're going to start begging. You're just
gonna kind of pick a god andpray sort of deal. You know.
Yeah, it's not you know,it's not like an It's not really a
term used to well, I actuallydon't know how it's used, but and
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so a higher being and more sothat when humans are scared, they'll get
desperate and just you know, startbelieving in whatever to as as a self
soothing organism, because I mean they'llalso people dealing with war and stuff they'll
also shop for. Like that's somethingI learned about in ap Cyite class.
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Was you know of how many soldierson battlefields will like cry out for their
mothers. Yeah, I've heard that, But that's all I have on that
song. So what did you wantto add to it? You said you
have a butterfly effect. So giveme one second to just really quickly refresh
on. I have to look upthis name really really quick. Okay,
(17:52):
all right, great, Google isabsolutely so. Essentially, there was a
woman discovered a body. There's abody of a woman discovered in a river
in France who her id was neverknown, and I believe she was nicknamed
Annie. I'm gonna do my absolutebest here. Oh sorry, Oh the
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English, Oh good, the Englishis the unknown woman of San and so
her she was known to be verybeautiful, and so she had a death
mask made of her face. Thisis a not a not an uncommon practice
to make death masks. But shewas also an unknown woman, so I
think eventually she was nicknamed Annie atsome point because we did not know her
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name. To this day, wedo not know who the unknown woman found
the san is, but CPR dollswere modeled after her face. So anytime
you see like a a female CPRdoll, that is her face that is
based off the death mask of theunknown Woman of Cen. And so because
she received the nickname Annie, andI believe it is percause the dolls is
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called like UH resusci Anne likes resuscitationand like portmanteau resuscitation and Anne. So
one of the things they teach youin CPR class is UH or CPR training
whatever is obviously confirmed that the personyou're about to start CPR on is unresponsive
because you don't want to do CPRand someone who's alive and responsive, So
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they instruct them to talk to thedolls. They call it Annie. So
you're instructed when giving CPR to sayare you okay? Annie, or some
semblance of that. And so thehook in Smooth Criminal is Annie, Are
you okay? Are you okay?Annie? And that comes from how you
speak to the CPR dolls, whois based off of an unsolved case of
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a woman's remains who is found inFrance in like the seventeen hundreds or something
like that. Sorry, eighteen eighties. Oh oh, that's what I know
about, you know. Yeah,yeah, So that had absolutely nothing to
do with what you just said.So I'm yeah, so that was my
interesting butterfly effect about the song smoothCriminal. I also know for a fact
(20:15):
that Twilight would not have happened ifnine to eleven did not happen. Wait
a minute, okay, all right, all right, let me go on
my little tangent about that one.So Gerard Way says that watching the Twin
Towers fall as a kid basically directlyinspired him to start making the music that
would become the band My Chemical Romance, and Stephanie Meyer said that she was
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partially inspired by my Chemical Romance anda dream she had to create Twilight.
M So because nine to eleven causedmy Chemical Romance, my chemical Romance caused
Twilight. Nine to eleven caused Twilight. So that's kind of clicking. Because
so I've been like two or threeTwilight groups on Facebook. I love that
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there was like a meme. Thereis meme something about like nine to eleven
and Twilight, and I can't rememberwhat it said exactly, but I'm like,
I don't know what this means.Go past. So yeah, if
there's any other ratties out there,I'm a ratty as well. And if
you don't know what that means,don't worry about it, because that's what
it means. That's what they that'swhat they call each other because it's called
(21:22):
the Twilight Sewer your sewer post.I kind of miss a Facebook in the
sense that like I was, Iwas in the group like we all pretend
to be an ant colony, andso like one of the posts was like
it was a picture of a poolthat said like help fell in, and
then everyone would comment like link.Or it'd be a picture of like a
(21:45):
breadcrumb and they'd say need help andwe'd all comment. I completely forgot about
that. I was part of thatgroup for a minute. To Quarantine was
a time we were not okay,No. There was also you pretend you
work in an office building. Ididn't see that one. I didn't see
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the one that's like a group wherewe all pretend to be boomers. But
it got so popular that it waslike no longer fun. Pretend you work
in office building. Okay, thatone sounds funny. I was in a
couple of other like gimmick groups,but for some reason, my I think
the ant one was my favorite one. Yeah, all right, So the
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next song is Jenny was a Friendof Mine by The Killers. I've had
this song on my playlist for likeprobably three years now, and I never
listened to it. I just thoughtthat was like ironic, but like,
yeah, I didn't know it wasabout a true crime case. This is
about the death of Jennifer Levin,who was killed by Robert Chambers, the
preppy killer slash Central Park strangler,on August twenty sixth. In nineteen eighty
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six, eighteen year old Jennifer wasstrangled in New York City Central Park and
Robert was charged with second murder.A cyclist found Jennifer's half nude body on
the morning of August twenty sixth atsix am, and the coroner said she
died around five thirty am. Witnessessaw the two of them leaving the bar
together, so they went to hishouse to question him. He has scratch
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marks all over his face, andsaid it was from the cat, but
later admitted that the cat was toClaude. He denied leaving the bar with
her, but admitted after police saidwitnesses saw them, and during the trial,
the defense said that her death wasdue to rough sex and that she
was promiscuous, had a sex diary, and that her sex history was unmissable
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as evidence. You would cut itat this at this time, Eric's just
creeping around the corner. Oh hi, Eric, Oh, that is what
a horrible thing to bring up ina court of law. Like truly,
oh, I saw his head.He should tattoo it. He should get
a tattoo on his head. Yeah, but yeah, it's so where they
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brought all that up, Like,if you know she did have all that,
what does it matter? It's notexactly I think the thing is is,
at the end of the day,even though logically you're like, why
on earth does it matter, Ithink they're kind of relying on like the
general public having enough bias against thatkind of thing that they're just kind of
like, hmm, you know,sounds accurate, like which was very depressing,
Which is kind of one of theunfortunate realities of relying on things like
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public juries m so Chambers said thatshe was sexually assaulting him, so he
defended himself. I don't know howmuch they actually believed this, but he
was charged with manslaughter and sends tofifteen years. So I didn't look like
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into every detail of the case becauseI wasn't going to do a whole episode
for each song. Yeah, yeah, which makes sense. Yeah, So
he said he was like defending himself, and one of the prosecutor was like,
well, that's the first time aman has said he's defended himself against
the sex crime or something like that, which I mean is obviously not the
first time or the only time.Yeah, but I will say it's very
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gold and half nude. Yeah,it's very common for the people who types
of crimes to say, oh,I was acting in self defense. Oh
I'm the real victim. It's darvo, you know, plain and simple.
So that's that sounds more likely ofwhat was happening. The next song is
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Suffer Little Children by the Smiths.This song is about the Mores murders,
done by Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. These occurred during July nineteen sixty three
to October nineteen sixty five. Thevictims were Pauline Reed, John Kilbride,
Keith Bennett, Leslie and Downey,and Edward Evans, aged between ten and
(25:57):
seventeen. Four of them were sexuallyassaulted. Two of the bodies were found
in nineteen sixty five on Saddleworth Moore. The third grave was found there in
nineteen eighty seven, twenty years afterthe trial. Bennett's body may be buried
there, but it was never found. They were charged with the deaths of
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Kilbride, Downey, and Evans andall, and they got life sentences.
So yeah. The next one,which I'm sure we all know about this
case is the song is called IJust Shot John Lennon by the grandberrys oh
So Surprise Prize. This is aboutthe murder of John Lennon by Mark David
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Chapman. It happened on October eighth, nineteen eighty. He was shot in
his residence in New York City.Chapman was a jealous and enraged fan and
said he was inspired by Holden Callfieldand The Catcher in the Rye, which
is side note, the worst bookI've ever read in my life because I
hated Holden sucks. I'm so sorry, Like I really liked Catcher in the
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Rye. I really thoroughly enjoyed it, but like holding Cawfield as a character
sucks. So when people tell methey like Catcher in the Rye, I'm
like, oh, awesome, Ireally love that book too, And then
like, oh my god, Iwas obsessed with Holding Cawfield. I'm like,
m m, no, we did. We didn't read the same book.
Nope, You're not supposed to beobsessed with him. He's not.
He's not the good guy. No, didn't he just like call everybody,
(27:25):
what was it, an idiot orsomething like so pretentious. He's like one,
he's like one moment in the bookwhere he like kind of has a
moment of clarity about like the inherentfleetingness of the innocence of childhood. And
then it's just like, oh,you have two pages of maybe kind of
redemption. But it's like bo JackHorseman. You know, you're kind of
like, oh, is he redeeminghimself? Oh? Nope, no he's
not. Never mind, didn't learnfrom that. Holding Cawfield is bo Jack
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Horseman. I should be an Englishteacher. Actually, my fiance loves English
literature and also BoJack Horseman. I'mgonna run that one buyer and see what
she tells me. Anyway, myleast favorite book was probably of Mice and
(28:11):
Men. I just find Steinbecker veryboring writer. It's not that I don't
think the content of his book forceis really that important. I understand why
his books are a classic, likeof Mice and Men in Grapes of Wrath,
but unfortunately I found that a terriblyboring readm I never read them.
I probably won't ever. Well,not after my glowing recommendation. No,
(28:32):
no, not after your good Readsreview. So Chapman planned the killing over
several months, and earlier that eveninghe met like his Double Fantasy album.
Later, he and his wife YokaOna were walking home and Chapman fired his
thirty eight revolver five times, fourof them hitting Lenin in the back.
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He died at age forty and rootsto the hospital. I didn't realize he
was that young whenever he died forty, like got hurt, like I knew
he died, yeah, forty.I don't know if he was that young.
I actually didn't. I don't knowif I ever thought about like the
like I think I thought he wasmiddle aged, but I yeah, like
Morty, that's pretty young. Yeah, and I guess, like, well,
(29:17):
obviously, like it had a hugeimpact on like fans every but I
guess fans were committing suicide over it, like it had a whole impact on
like the whole Beatles following, whichit would. I just didn't think people
were like when we're committing suicide overuntil I read the article. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah. So the nextsong is Evil by Interpol, and it's
(29:40):
about Fred and Rosemary West English.I had I think I saw them,
like saw an article of them inPassing a couple of months ago, so
it sounded somewhat familiar. But theywere English serial killers who killed at least
twelve people between nineteen sixty seven andnineteen eighty seven in Gloucestershire. All the
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victims were young women, at leasteight of them raved bondage, tortured and
mutilated. They were buried in Wes'scellar, giving the house the name House
of Horrors. Rose also killed hisstepdaughter and they were arrested in charge in
nineteen ninety four. Oh that's veryrecent. Wow. Yeah. The next
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one is the nineteen thirteen massacre byWoody Guthrie. So this is about the
Italian Hall disaster in nineteen thirteen.On December twenty fourth, nineteen thirteen,
in Calumut, Michigan, there wasa Christmas party in the hall where four
hundred people were attending. Someone shoutedfire when there wasn't one, causing a
(30:48):
panic, and people stampeded to getout of the building. Seventy three people,
including fifty nine children, were trampledto death. Oh my god,
No one knows who started the panic. Oh my god, all because someone
fire. I'll cut. I mean, I've always known why it's illegal to
like yell fire when there's not one, but I I didn't know that something
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that's a that's an absolutely massive bodycount for an event like that. That's
horrific. Mm hmm. Yeah.And I guess, like the way the
building isn't there anymore, just thearchway is and it's like a memorial now.
But I guess the way the buildingwas set up, it was like
just narrow stairs to go up tothe second floor where the party was,
and people were like trying to likefour hundred people trying to go down these
(31:32):
narrow sets of stairs, like andjust nobody knows who started started the fire
or a fire started the panic right, and the last one is Deep Red
Bells by Necho Case. This songis about Gary Ridgeway, also known as
the Green River Killer. He killedbetween the early nineteen eighties in late nineteen
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nineties and has forty nine kills,making him the second most prolific serial killer
behind Sam Little. I've been meaningto do an episode on Sam Little.
His is just so he killed likeninety something people. Oh that's horrific.
Yeah, he's got a Yeah.His would be like a three parter.
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I feel so. I haven't hadthe time to do that much. Maybe
this summer I work on him.But Ridgeway would target sex workers and underage
runaways and he would strangle them andperform necrophilia. Oh. He was a
suspect since the nineteen eighty two whenhe was arrested for prostitution, but they
were unable to connect him to thevictims. But thanks to DNA profiling,
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they got him and arrested him onNovember thirtieth, two thousand and one,
and sentenced him to life without parole. Oh wow, and those are my
songs of crime. Those were someof them, like like I've heard of
but like it was a good varietyof crimes. I feel like, Yeah,
(33:07):
the fire one kind of like threwme through a loop. I was
like, because I've been doing likeall these murders and serial killers and it's
like, oh, somebody yelled fireand like almost eighty people die. Yeah,
and the fact that they don't knowwho did it, that's nuts.
Yeah they Yeah, I guess likethe whole story is like it was the
(33:27):
party was for miners who were onstrike, Like they were there with their
families and they don't know somebody whowas like on the other side of the
strike yelled fire to create the panicand break up the party. Just a
lot of conflicting stories about who sawwhat and what happened. Yeah, wow,
Wow that was good. That waslike that there was a lot of
(33:51):
good variety of things. That wasa really fun episode. Honestly, Now
I feel like I have ideas forlike stuff to cover while we take our
break. Yeah yeah, so yeah, you guys, like I should have
said at the beginning, I recommendlike stopping every couple of minutes and like
listening to the song I'm discussing soyou can like hear like what it's about
(34:12):
and stuff we've partnered with Spotify toSpotify please sponsor us. That was I
mean, that was great. Thatwas that was great, That was fun,
that was really unique. I'm reallyexcited to take this time and really
bring you guys, like really wellfleshed out episodes, because that's been it's
(34:32):
been a little bit of a strugglefor us with the last couple of months.
We have been going through a lot, a lot of change for both
of us honestly, life. Youknow, as they say, the years
start coming and they don't stop coming, they really don't. So hopefully I
will have an actual podcasting set upfor everybody when we return, and we'll
(34:55):
come back with just really good materialfor you guys. I'm excited. Yeah,
it'd be nice to take a littlebreak after three years straight. Yeah,
I think we do kind of haveto pat ourselves on the back.
Truly. We've been leaking at this, yeah, three years with very few
breaks in the first year and ahalf of doing two episodes a week because
I'm a crackhead and thought that wasa good idea, right, Oh my
(35:20):
god, And then I came onand that was so funny. I was
supposed to guess, like, that'sthe craziest thing was. I was telling
one of my friends about it abouthow I'm like, oh, yeah,
in the early episodes, there's nome like I came on later and they
were like really, I'm like yeah. I was like, there was a
prior host that wasn't able to keepcontinuing. I was like, oh,
well, guest for a while untilwe figured out, and then I was
like I love this, and hereI still am years later. It's been
(35:42):
a ton of fun and we've keptthis going through a lot. I had
what two surgeries, cancer treatments,one move, a new move, a
breakup, a new relationship like yougot a new dog, a second job
like house rearranging. We need aminute, guys, I just need to
(36:07):
need to be just a little bitlittle breath, need to beleeve please.
I got a new sunset lamp thathappened this week. It doesn't really affect
anything, but you know, it'sjust a positive ya. Go to your
(36:28):
local five below. They have ledlights, string lights, sunset lamps,
projectors, shower uh shower speakers.By the way, if you don't own
a shower speaker, get a showerspeaker. It's life changing. I don't
have one. I just have aradio in my basement that I can like
connect to bluetube pice I have.I used to have a shower speaker in
Pittsburgh, and I more than oncehave had a good like shower cry with
(36:53):
some shower song. It was usuallyFolly a Dough like that entire album by
fall Out Boy. I would justbe like in the bathroom, you know,
taking a shower, crying, singingcoffee is for closers. It was
probably I wasn't have my healthiest youknow, but it was deeper than therapy.
(37:16):
Oh my gosh. Well and itwill miss you guys. You'll probably
miss us. Yeah, Like Isaid, you still reach us whenever wherever
on any of our socials are somethingelse, I would love to be thank
you guys suck for leaving. Evenif it's that. I would love to
(37:37):
get some take the time to setup some new equipment and see if maybe
I can get some guest stars onit, because I do have a friend
of mine that had a near deathexperience that I was like, would you
ever be interested in talking about thaton the podcast? So I think that
would be a lot of fun.Mm hmmm. And I know Rachel probably
starts setting up like yeah, weprobably start setting up like collabs and stuff,
(38:00):
do those more often that. Yeah, that would be a lot of
fun. That would be a ton, a ton of fun. I've been
looking for like local podcasters and stuffwho'd be willing to do crowd Honestly,
the Riverside has proven very helpful inorganizing collapse. We've been able to organize
like four different people, you know, so this has been great. I
think that would be a lot offun, especially now with YouTube. Yeah,
(38:22):
yeah, well, I guess goodbyefor now. Everybody almost at for
now. Okay, Tiger Tata fornow. We'll miss here, I know,
we'll see We'll see you guys backin August. Enjoy your summers,
have fun, safe summers. Don'tdo anything dumb, not too dumb.
(38:44):
Where you're gone, You have disappeared, Okay, okay, you froze there
for a second. Alrighty well Ifound out fun that was and we're back.
That was musically wicked. That ohthat was that was lyrically wicked. Oh
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