The Snowtown Murders Part 1

Kayla discusses the murderer John Bunting and the beginning of what would become known as the Snowtown Murders. This episode mentions sexual assault and deals with crimes against the gay community.

“No Place for the Weak” – Ryan Green
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowtown_murders

Episode Transcript

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This podcast discusses true crime, whichmay it tell violence, and other material
intended for Marture audience listener. Discretionis advised. Hey, it's Kayla and
it's Lexi and uh, today I'mback on my true crime nonsense. It's
probably gonna be a two parter.It's been a while since we've done one

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of those, I know. Sothis one is kind of like, So
I look back at our discord andthis one was actually suggested to us,
like back in August. It's thesorry guy, I've got to add it
to my list. But then Iremembered, like, looking at the Discord,
I'm like, there has to besomething in here, and boom found

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one. Is it the Dingo No, it's the Snowtound murders. Oh okay,
just because we were talking about theDingo ate my Baby case like at
work the other day and I waslike, I should actually cover that case
one of these days. Wasn't thattalked about in the discord too for a
while ago A care because we haveat least one of our Discord members who's
Australian, and so I think wewere talking about another Australian crime and they

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were talking about us covering that casebecause it was something along the lines of
originally the family was presumed complacent inthe child's death and not to spoil this
episode of her to cover it.But then remains were found that matched the
story of the parents saying that thedingo got into their tent and got to
their infant. So they basically imprisonedgrieving parents who were completely innocent. So

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it's like an infamous case. It'sprobably the most infamous case in Australia of
that nature. Oh yeah, yeah, oh boy. Well yeah, this
one, I guess was a prettybig case in Australia as well, just
because it went on for so long. So we're really going down under these

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episodes, we really are. Sotoday's case has a huge trigger warning for
crimes against the gay community, sexualassaults, sexual assaults onto child, mentions
of animal killing and cannibalism. Idon't go into detail with any of these
assaults, like I just kind ofmentioned that it happened, like I don't

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see the point in going to detailand stuff like that like some podcasts do,
and I just I don't see thepoint of it. Same. I
try to I try to keep thatas mild as possible. Like it's it's
like when I covered the junkro furorin a case. I'm like, I'm
just I'm simply not going to gointo the graphic, graphic details of what
was done to her. Yeah,I just like some people are like,
well they really like the greedy details. Well they're not going to find the

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greedy details here. I'm sorry,We're sorry, we're not the podcast for
that. Oh yeahs my goodness.Yeah, we have a wop and doozy.
That's why it's gonna be a twoparter for them, mainly because like
it's give you guys a break inbetween, all right, So be ready

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as ready as I can be afterthose trigger warnings. Oh boy, Okay.
So John Justin Bunting was born inSeptember fourth, nineteen sixty six in
Inala, Queensland. He was theonly child of the Bunting family and as
a child, he could come andgo as he pleased, always obeyed curfew,
and he was always home on time. He had plenty of friends that
he would go out to play withand was very friendly and outgoing as a

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child, but this would all changewhen he was around eight years old and
the accident occurred, So this isa trigger warning for sexual assault. John
was on a playdate at a friend'shouse and they were playing in the basement
while the parents weren't home. Theboy's older teenage brother kept coming down to
check on them, until he eventuallycame down with some rope. John tried

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to flee, but was hit andtied up, and while he was tied
up, he was assaulted by theteen and the teen's friends. Oh that's
so horrible. Yeah, the bookI read went into great detail about it,
which I don't think was necessary.I'm not doing that, but it
happened. It just was horrible justread about it. So he came home

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later that evening, upsetting his parents, but he did not tell them what
happened, as he himself like hewasn't really sure what happened or how to
explain what happened. He was justconfused on what to do. Yeah,
his mom grounded him for being homelate, and after a week of him
being yeah, on top of it, he got grounded. Oh that's awful.

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Yeah. After a week of himbeing grounded, he would still not
go far from the house and starteddistancing himself from his friends and his family.
No longer the cheerful and not goinga little boy that he was before
the accident. His parents had triedcheering him up, but they were at
a loss. A later, thatsame teen boy that attacked him cornered John

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and threatened it threatened him if hetold, and the boys friends did the
same. It was at this pointthat John started hurting animals and doing poorly
in school and was feeling everything butchemistry. By the age of twelve,
he also started getting into fistfights withthe other kids and became non compliant while
at home, becoming a troubled boy. He started skipping school and staying out

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late. And it was around theage of thirteen that John met Benny,
an older man in his thirties thathe met while he was walking through town.
As John was walking by the parkat night, and Benny warned him
about rapists that hung around the areaat night. So Benny sounds like a
good guy, but he's not.He was a neo Nazi. Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, there's a lot of neoNazis in this in this case,
what year does this take place?Um, he was born nineteen sixty six,
so this is like their seventies.Okay, okay, So Benny was
a neo Nazi and the two ofthem would meet up, smoke and talk

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about their hatred for the gay community. So these two guys, they would
correlate gay men with being pedophiles.They saw them as one and the same,
which obviously that's not the case.It's just their neo Nazi minds.
Just Benny was like forming John's likemind with these ideas. I mean,

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we see that now, like wesee that in oh yeah modernity. Unfortunately,
Like that's something that's it's almost likeit was like was a big issue
for a while, and then Ialmost feel like that type of rhetoric calmed
down, and I feel like inthe last couple of years, we're seeing
it a lot more. I think, like I see it a lot when
it comes to discussion about bathrooms.Yeah, yeah, I see it a

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lot. Then I get a lotunfortunately. I mean, my my like
my kids got too mom. Youknow, so this is that's something that
I deal with in a way thatlike, in a way and in a
frequency that I wish I didn't wherepeople just you know, they're like,
oh, well, what's that exposingyour kid to is that grooming blah blah
blah. No, she just hastwo moms. Like it's not, yeah,

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I'm not this this like nerd hiddenagenda where I'm doing these rituals or
whatever. It's just it is,you know, it is what it is,
and it's just it sucks because Ifeel like I grew up combating a
lot of homophobia that I was closetedfor most of my life. I'm sure
you guys remember even in earlier episodes, I wasn't realized slash out that I

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was gay, and now that Iam, it's almost like, wow,
this is a lot of the stuffthat I was just dealing with growing up
before marriage, you know, beforeeven marriage equality was federally legalized. And
it's almost like coming back around andit's so frustrating. Yeah, it's like
two steps, one step forward,two steps back, it seems like,

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yeah, so yeah, these twothey would correlate gay with being pedophile,
and the two of them had asmall system going where John would hang around
gay bars to be propositioned and hewould have the man follow him to a
dark alley where Benny would attack him. For some reason. This got John
going back to class, and healso started working out to be as strong

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as Benny, since he wanted tobe a mugger. That was like his
dream. He just wanted to mugpeople. Oh, I was hoping that
was going to be like Australian slang. I'm like, oh, that's surely
that's like a physical job. You'relike, no, just someone who mugs
people. Someone who mugs people.That's all he wanted to read to you.
Okay, awesome. He still continuedto lure men for Benny, but

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it was at this point that Johnwas starting to question his own sexuality since
his only experiences were with men atthis point in his life. So at
age fifteen, he decided to goto a party like a normal teenager,
but wanted to hook up with agirl to see how he felt. Four
months later, when he was sixteen, he found out the girl he looked
up with was pregnant. And that'scertainly a different sort of deal in the

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seventies than it would be. Yes, you know today, I mean even
today, it's not like that's like, oh, that's no big deal,
Like that's still kind of a bigdeal. It's just in the seventies you
had even less options for something likethat. Yeah. Well, he offered
to marry her and to be therefor her and the baby, but she

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only wanted financial support from him,as she thought that he was richer as
he always had cash on him,but she didn't know that it was from
mugging from his family. Was yeah, she thought his family was rich and
she was trying to milk him forall he had from his family. Sweet.
He ended up getting a job topay for child support and worked at
the crematorium, where he would goon to steel gold plated teeth off of

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bodies and eventually moved into an apartmentwith his friends. Around this time,
Benny had died of throat cancer.So Benny's out of the picture. Roat
cancer. That's not a common thingto take young. Well maybe was he
a smoker? Maybe yeah, Ifeel like okay, I was gonna say,
I was like, never mind.Actually, it was probably a lot

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more common back in the day becausepeople smoked like they got paid in the
seventies. Yeah, he was likeat thirties forties, so still young,
which is still kind of young.Cancer. Yeah. Yeah. So John
started acting like a normal guy aroundhis friends, but he became obsessed with
pedophiles and would often go on rantsabout them and the gay community. It

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was like the way it's sounded inthe book. It was like, well,
if you were around John, youwere around that rant. Like that's
all he would talk about. Allhe would focus on and try to get
people like to see his point ofview. I feel like we all kind
of know someone like that. Ohyeah, we're like they have like one
opinion and it's their whole personality.Yeah, that's kind of what happened with
him, Like this was his personalitywas like his stance on the gay community

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in pedophiles. So a few yearswent by and his son had turned two,
and when he had turned two,his mother told John that she was
moving the two of them to England. John was upset at this fact that
he would never see his child again, but he also realized that now he
was not tied to Anala and decidedto leave the area with his friends,
which did not go smoothly at all. They were all non experienced drivers who

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did not know the terrain or thearea at all or what direction they were
going. They were just kind oflike driving around with no money and no
map. H where's this taking place? Queensland? Yeah? Okay, yeah.
So eventually they ended up in Adelaideand all of them had a job
by the end of the day.While looking for a job, John was

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also searching for the gay community,as they were more public in this area
than where he was originally from.So he found a job at the slaughterhouse
and ended up bunking in an apartmentwith two of us friends. John started
ordering weapons from a neo Nazi magazinethat he had and started taking metalworking courses
at the local community college, wherehe met a girl named Veronica Tripp,

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who he ended up marrying after afew months after meeting. There are neo
Nazi magazines that you can order weaponsfrom, apparently, Yes, I don't
like that. Yeah, I didn'tlike that either when I read it.
Did not like that. It wasa terrible episode for me. You're like,

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oh, my podcast partner is gayand jewish. Let's hit her with
Let's hit her with this doozy witheverything, Kay, jewish. Anne has
a kid, like by God,so this is Yeah, it's a rough
one. I'm sorry. It wasrecommended and that figured we should do recommended
one and this one just popped up. I didn't realize how bad it was
gonna get when. But then itwas like too late, I already started.

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Look, the thing is is thisis a true crime podcast. It's
not like I'm shocked and offended atthis point. That would be insane of
me to be like, Wow,how dare you cover something so dark?
It's just whoa, this feels verytargeted. I'm sorry, it's okay,
I'm messing with you. Uh.They lived on John's friend's couch, but

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would move into their own place outsideof Adelaide. So where they moved was
like a rundown place, and that'swhere John would thrive. What it's a
definition of thrive here, Like hemade friends, he could do whatever he
wanted because it was like a highcrime area. It was just his it

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was his place. Great. Yeah. In this area was a man named
Barry Lane who lived the street overfrom John and Veronica. Barry is a
character. He had recently gotten outof prison for assaulting two young boys and
tried to keep a low profile.But while trying to keep a low profile,

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he dressed as a woman, whichfor this time was not super common.
So I don't know how he wastrying to keep a low profile,
especially in this area. In thistime period. Yeah, I just did
he did he like, I'm good? Did he just like pass really well
as a woman, And so peoplewere just like not the lady. I
just like didn't think twice about itbecause it's the only way I don't think
you'd have it, because it's notlike people like, hm, I want

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to keep a low profile, I'mgonna cross dress. Like I feel like
that's you know, because people knewwho it was Barry, they knew who
he was. I don't think hepassed well. I just I don't know
what. Okay, definitely confused byhis methods, but keep going. It
gets it gets weirder, right,that's you know, it's been a while

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since we've said it gets weirder,and I'm very happy we get to say
it again. Oh. He wouldoften go by his alter ego Vanessa.
He had a really relationship with athirteen year old boy named Robert Wagner who
came from an abusive home. Soyeah, he had this relationship which obviously

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is statutory. Yeah it's not reallyit's consensual, not consensual because he can't
you can't consent at thirteen exactly.I mean, this is this would be
grooming used in its actual definition.I know that's one of those words that's
misused and abused a lot, youknow, lately, but that is very

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much what grooming is. So Robertwould run away ever so often and stay
with Barry, and he would gobetween Barry's house and his parents' house until
he finally just stayed with Barry.This cycle went on for years. Robert
had eventually become friends with John,and John invited him over and he brought
Barry, who he introduced as hisfiancee. So during the whole dinner,

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Barry was like very crass and unpleasant, it's like, and he kind of
like also knew that how John feltabout the gay community, so he was
kind of like pushing buttons just tosee how far he could get. But
John was surprisingly calm during the wholeordeal, even whenever he caught the two
of them intertwined in his house.So, okay, that's a that's a

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polite way of wording that on thepodcast, Yes, finding the two of
them intertwined, intertwined gonna have touse. I don't know where I'm gonna
get to use that, but I'mgonna try. When the two of them
left, John said to Veronica quote, he'll get his don't you worry.

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Don't like that, m M.So John had made friends with the other
neighbors in the area, one beinga man named Mark Hayden. His closest
friend, however, was Robert.They had a third friend named Clint,
who John would constantly pick on forno reason, calling him gay slurs and
a pedal file, even though likethat was just a friend of his.

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Like I feel like there's a differencebetween like jokingly calling your friend, like,
you know, a dickhead or somethingand just being like, yeah,
hey, friend of mine, youpet ot Like what, Yeah, I
don't know why he did, Likehe just picked Clint to like just pick
on, pick on, pick on. Weird. So John eventually left his

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job to work the government benefit systemlike his friends did and live off of
benefit checks. So none of thesemen worked. They just had like benefit
checks, like I guess they claimedlike false disability or something like that,
Oh, just so they wouldn't haveto work. And the system was probably
a lot less. Gate Captain theseventies, I would imagine, Yeah,

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yeah, it's probably easier to getaway with. So Barry knew he bothered
John by just existing, and itwould constantly push his limits to see how
far he could push John's patience.One day, the men were just hanging
around when John started picking on Clintagain, calling him a pedophile and making
japes about him touching kids, eventhough by all accounts it was not true,

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but John started to believe that itwas, and out of nowhere,
he took a shovel and beat Clintwith it, killing him in front of
Barry, Mark and Robert. Ohmy god. Yeah, Like he started
to believe like his own lies andwas like, well, I need to
take this pedophile off the face ofthe earth. And that's what I doing

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now. He just found someone tolike pick on basically, and then he
was like, you know what,I'm correct, and then you beat him
to death in front of their friends. That's wow. Yeah. Obviously the
men were shocked, but they didnothing to retaliate back, and Barry stopped
trying to push John's buttons. Hewas like, you know what, this

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guy's crazy. Like I think Johnalso kind of used this to kind of
like set the tone for him tryingto be a leader and to show men
like the other men what he iscapable of, like scaring everybody into into
submission. Basically, yeah, Robertand Barry cut up the rug that Clint
was on, rolled him up,and drove him out to the outback and
buried him. So when it cameto John and Veronica, he started losing

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interest in her and started having anaffair with an older woman named Suzanne Allen,
even though he really wasn't interested inher. Then he started a fool
on affair with a woman named ElizabethHarvey and met her teen son, Jamie
Vlasicus. So Jamie had been abusedphysically and sexually by his father and stepbrother
and was considered a troubled boy.John kind of figured this out about him,

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Like he didn't know the full details, but he got the sense about
it, and he knew how Jimmiefelt. So he took a fatherly role
with a teen which sounds wholesome,but it gets dark. No, it
doesn't sound wholesome to me in thiscontext. I know exactly know what you
mean. I know you don't meanin terms of caring for him. I
know you mean in terms of controllinghim. Yes, he wanted the two

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of them to move into his housewith him and Veronica. He wanted to
move. Let me just repeat thatagain. He wanted to move his mistress
into his house with his wife andto suspected his wife to be okay with
it. I actually know someone wheresomething very similar happened to them. Believe
it or not. Oh yeah,yeah, where like they found out that

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their boyfriend had like this entire secretfamily and then he was just like,
I'm gonna blend it together. Andboth the women were like, no,
you're not. Oh my god,anyway, neither one of them are still
with him, Thank god, Iwould hope not. But yeah, he
was just like, girlfriends, meetmy other girlfriend. And they were like,
what, like, unless you're ina consenting polyamorous relationship, I suggest

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not doing that. Yeah, okay. So Veronica had known of the affair
and they all moved in together.And at this point Veronica would stay with
friends her family for weeks or monthsat a time, but after a year
she just never came back. Iwonder if she just didn't have resources,
Like I wonder if that was partof it. Maybe like she didn't work

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or she like she's just work.Yeah. Yeah, Well, Jamie was
living with John. John taught Jamiehad a torture animals and to get more
comfortable with killing. He eventually wantedJamie to think killing people was okay.
So after a while, Clint's bodywas found, but the police had no
leads his body was being His bodybeing found was on an episode of Australia's

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Most Wanted and as John, Elizabethand Jamie were watching, John turned to
them and said, quote, Idid that one. He was a peto.
Oh my god. Yeah, andElizabeth had only said, quote,
good on you end quote ye actlike they don't have the contacts. I
didn't realize that guy was actually completelyinnocent. Yeah. Yeah, even so,

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like he's confessing to killing somebody.I don't know if I could if
peto or not, Like you couldhave called up the police. He could
have been anything else. I don'tknow. John explained that everyone knew that
Clint was hurting children, so heput an end to it, even though
again it wasn't true. Because hewas obsessed with the gay community and pedophiles.

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He built a wall in his housewhere he put up names and photos
of people that Barry had told himwere either gate or hurting children, even
though none of them were actually hurtingchildren, and it's unknown if they were
part of the gay community or not. This is literally like the most extreme
definition of just like making up aguy to get mad at. That's what
he was doing. Like the wayI pictured it, it was like sounds

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like he had one of those wallsthat police make with like mines connecting everything,
Like he had one of those that'slike, that's like what I'm picturing
two or like the tinfoil hat orlike again, I don't know if you
watch it's always sunny in Philadelphia,but like the Pepe Sylvia episode where Charlie's
got like the wall of all thetw can we talk about the mail Dennis,
Like, That's what I'm picturing.And what's crazy is like he could

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have just, you know, beena sort of vigilantine like actually just gone
after pedophiles, but he didn't.But he just found random people, convinced
himself they were pedophiles, and thenwas like, I guess I'll kill him.
Yeah. Yeah. So the pointof this wall was that he would
call and harass these men and tellthem to kill themselves or be killed essentially.

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So some of the men called thepolice about these calls, but then
they would just end up being investigatedthemselves. For the rumors that John was
spreading about them being pedophiles, sokind of backfired. Yeah, So many
of the men did not call thepolice, and some just moved away.

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One day, Susanne Allen's grandkids sawa man named Ray pantsless when he came
out of his caravan. So Iguess, Susanne, yeah, he pantsless,
Like oh, I thought that washis last name now, and I
was like, that's a strange lastname. He he was, he was
pantsless like you. I misunderstood yoursentence. Okay, now I got it.

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I can see how it was confusing. I think weird word it weird.
Sorry, but I guess Suzanne waslike this guy's landlord and his caravan
was like kind of in her backyard. Okay. So Ray would usually run
out whenever he heard a noise,and he did not anticipate children being there.
So I guess he heard something andran out to see what it was.
It might have been the kids,might have been something else, but

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either way, the kids saw himnude. Oh. So yeah. The
kids ran back to Suzanne scared,and word of this incident traveled and turned
into a rumor that he was tryingto attack the children. And the rumor
reached John, we can all seewhere this is. I can yeah,
I know exactly where this is going. Yep. John had then gone to

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Suzanne to see if this was true, which she said it was, even
though it wasn't. So later thatnight, John and Robert went to the
caravan while Ray was in bed.So Ray was not surprised to see them
standing over him, as they werehis friends and would usually come by whenever.
But they dragged him out of bedand he thought they were just messing
around, so he laughed. Ohno. The two men ended up strangling

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him to death and John hit himwith a bat. Okay, post mortem,
I mean not that that detail necessarily, No, they kind of just
kind of a yeah, ok yeah, there's a lot more detail to it,
but it's very graphic. Yeah,the book. If you guys want

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to read the book, it'll bein the show notes. It's on Kindle
unlimited if you have that, soif you're if you're that curious. Elizabeth
was there and took part as well. John and Jamie then dug a hole
in the garden and buried his bodythere, wrapped in a curtain. So
Ray was considered a quote perfect victimlike Clint was, as neither of them

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had friends or family that would checkon them or notice that they were missing.
Okay, so John thought he couldget away with it. And Ray
was on government benefits and would stillreceive checks after his death that John would
collect from Susanne. Oh wow,John, Elizabeth, and Jamie had moved
seventy miles east from Adelaide to aplace called Murray's Bridge. John still visited

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Adelaide quite frequently to see his friendsand to collect all his checks. His
friend Mark married a woman named Elizabeththat did not respect or like John at
all, Like she would make jokesabout him, like she would pick on
him so like she just couldn't respecthim, or she hated him. She
had a weird feeling about him,Yeah, which did not sit well with

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John at all. Yeah. Soto get back at her, he'd befriended
her sister Jody and her nephew FredBrooks. He figured that if he can't
win her over, he's going towin over her family and kind of isolate
her from them, which is avery textbook sort of abuser thing to do.

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Oh yeah too, They say thatwhat is it the people who are
manipulative, manipulate the people around theirvictim as well to further isolate the victim.
M. Yeah, he's I guesswas like very charming and like get
whoever, he wanted to be loyalto him, so he sounds like it.

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Yeah, he's very good at that. After that, Mark and Elizabeth
moved away and John became more dependenton Suzanne. However, Suzanne died and
there are two possibilities as to whathappened, but it's unsure what the truth
is. So the first possibility isthat the two of them had a falling
out and she threatened to go topolice, resulting in her murder. The

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other possibility is that John walked into find her already deceased in her bed
from one of her many health issues. Okay, so nobody really knows what
truly happened to Suzanne, but eitherway, she was dismembered and buried along
with Ray. So John could stillcollect her government benefit checks as well.
Wow. With all these checks,John would pay his friends portions of them

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to keep their to keep their loyalty. Essentially, the problem was that this
money could not just sit around orthe government would notice how something was off,
so he funneled the money to markand rental properties, including an old
bank building in Snowtown. Okay,they would go on to use this building
in the future by using the vaultsto hide bodies by putting them in barrels

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of acid. Oh okay, sothis is where Snowtown's coming in. This
is where Snowtown's coming in, andthis is where we want to stop for
the day. Oh okay, We'regoing to go right to the namesake of
the murders and then stop there.That is Yeah, that's crazy because like
all those murders happen and they're nottechnically those are not technically the Snowtown murders
yet, right or are they notyet? Wow? Yeah? Yeah.

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So my script is ten pages long, so I've figured stop run in between
written down the middle. Wow.Yeah, oh man, that is that
is a lot so far. Yeah. I didn't realize it's only been like
twenty three minutes. I thought it'sbeen like at least thirty thirty five.
Oh. Same, Yeah, it'sbeen. It's been a very intense to

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the part. The thing was episodeslike this that are very serious is they're
always shorter than we expect because there'svery little banter like yeah, for our
other episodes, we can't like interjectand like make joke. I mean we
can, but it just feels likegross to joke and stuff like this,
Like I'm just not gonna do that. I'll save my jokes for like,
you know, when I talk aboutthe Jersey Devil or how Marie Antoinette was

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a CIA agent or whatever the conspiracywas. I don't know, is that
one can I make that a thing? Probably? But yeah, so that's
we're gonna We're gonna take a breakfor today. I'm sorry for anybody who
also feels like this is targeted.It's not. This feels very this.

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This feels like the This feels likethe Anti What's that? What's the podcast
called shoot is Behind the Rainbow,Beyond the Rainbow, Beyond the Rainbow,
That's it. I've listened to abunch of of her episodes where she talks
about the crimes of the LGBT,and I was like, this feels like
the Anti that where it's just many, many crimes against the LGBT and then

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just random people, you know,which, actually that's what it's feeling like.
It's feeling like random people that thisguy just slapped labels on so far.
Yeah, this guy's crazy and hesuffered horrific, Like I you know,
know, no question, he sufferedsome thing absolutely horrific. And I
completely understand to a point why hemade the connections he made. But oh

(31:07):
man, where it went from thereis just jaunting and horrible. Yeah,
And it's kind of like it's oneof those things where like if that didn't
happen, all these people probably wouldn'thave died. Yeah, yeah, and
it sucks like that stuff like thathappens. And I think stuff like that
happens. I don't want to saymore than people think, but like I

(31:33):
don't know if you've been if you'veseen the discourse on social media of parents
talking about like why they don't lettheir children go to sleepovers at other people's
houses, and like that's kind ofwhy. Like there's a lot of people
who in growing up themselves had experienceswhere they were targeted at sleepovers by family
members and they don't want the samefor their children, which I think is
completely understandable. And some of thosethings, like I grew up going to

(31:56):
plenty of sleepovers. I mean myparents, my parents always knew like the
families, the parents that I wasgoing to. But still I almost feel
like lucky that nothing happened at sleepoversfor me because some of these stories that
people have. Yeah, yeah,like I like I feel bad for child
John. Yeah, but like alot of unfortunately, a lot of people

(32:21):
go through trauma like that and theydon't grow up to be serial killers exactly.
I mean, that's the fact ofthe matter, is that the majority
of people who go through something likethat do not turn into I mean Nazi
serial killers truly, And we haveyou know, there's a there's a saying
and a lot of therapy that's youknow, what happened to you isn't your
fault, but it does become yourresponsibility. Mm hmm. Yeah. So

(32:45):
yeah, that was very heavy forour first part episode. It gets a
little heavier. So that's why we'rebreaking it up for you guys. I
know a lot of you guys probablylike the really long, heavy episodes,
but like, we like to breakit up just kind of makes it easier
to listen to and talk about.Yeah, and you know, it also
makes it easier to research. Butalso these episodes are good because I think

(33:08):
that's part of what people like aboutour podcast is they can get their really
serious episodes and then they can justget total bullshit like the next like the
next week. You know, younever know what you're gonna get. I
don't know if I sent you speakingwhich I don't know if I sent you
the picture that one of our listenersmade for me. Hold on, I'm

(33:29):
texting it to you right now becauseit cracked me up and it has to
do with our last episode. Allright, I just texted it to you.
She's like, you guys can putthat on a T shirt. I
give you permission. Is it?It hasn't popped up yet? What there
it is? Oh? I sawthat it was in the discord. I

(33:51):
know a roadkill guy. I didn't. I didn't. Oh shoot, I
gotta I gotta check the discord more. But yeah, the I know what
road kill guy. And actually Iwent to D and D with said roadkill
guy yesterday, so I was like, I was like, I brought you
up in the podcast and you're notgonna believe why they thought it was great?

(34:15):
Oh my god. Yeah, Iwas dying when I was editing this
because like so forever Side uses likeit breaks down like the episode into chapters
automatically, which is really cool thatit it like sorts it with that.
Yeah, and like it had thiswhole chapter say, discussion of roadkill.

(34:35):
I didn't know. She's correct.She sent me the picture and it really
did say discussion of roadkill. Apparentlywe talked about enough that Riverside is like
this is its own section our AIwas like, okay, Like I can't
roll with this roadkill. Also,I apologize to advance. If you guys
can hear my dog in the background, it would be a low, growly
noise. She's every single time Ipodcast. Right at the end, she

(34:57):
decides that now is the time thatwe need to play tug of war.
And Mine's just laying there waiting forhis baby brother. He doesn't know is
about to happen. I know,two more weeks, two more weeks he
gets a baby brother. I'm soexcited. Missing toe, missing a toe?
Do you just do you do thison purpose? I mean, not

(35:22):
in the nicest white possible. Hishis mom ate it. His mom made
his toe. She was like,I guess eating the placenta as cooky as
that is that animals do. Shejust like launched his toe. Oh,
had we had a dog come inthat we had to do a prepudal repair

(35:43):
on because while his mom was groominghim shortly after birth, she accidentally ate
a piece of his prepuce. Ohmy god, I don't know what's worse.
That's terrible. And then we hadthe one to one time where that
owners brought it in for like atotally separate issue and they're like, by
the way, we think his mommade his leg. The dog, in

(36:08):
fact was missing a leg. Wedon't know where it went. That doesn't
happen often. Shoot, I forgotmy leg. Oh yeah, welcome to
a little I'm glad we're on YouTubenow. This is fun. Yeah.

(36:30):
We we're almost up to thirty followerson YouTube. We got a couple in
a week. That's really cool.We're just like for just like a handful
of videos. Like we get acouple of new followers every week. That's
not bad. I dig it.I love it. Yeah, so I
guess you guys like seeing us.It was weird as that sounds. Happy
to hear it, Happy to hearit. I'll keep I'll keep mixing up

(36:54):
my hats. I'm currently I've gotmy Intercourse Pennsylvania hat. Maybe next week
it'll be the chainsaw man hat Ihave. I don't know you guys talking
about I have so many hats.I'm in my gym club. We're doing
great. I watch videos sometimes ofstreamers who are very high fashion, you

(37:17):
know, like they're always very doneup for their YouTube videos and stuff,
and I'm just like, I maybe showered at some point in the last
forty eight hours. Thank you guysfor being here. Anyway, one day
we'll have to do like one ofthose get Ready with Me is during a
conspiracy theory or something that I thinkit's weird. It's gonna be a really

(37:38):
short conspiracy theory because I'll be like, get ready with me, and then
I put on a T shirt andI'm done, and that's it. It's
just like a fun fact, Likeit's not evenna get ready with me.
It's like, get ready with me. Here's a fun fact, you know,

(37:58):
Like I'll be like, do youknow I'll be like putting a hat
on. I'm like, did youguys know that all worker bees are female?
Great, We're done, next videotomorrow, or we just do like
a muck bang that'd be fine.Someone has actually told me that I should
do a muck bang video. Youknow, they're like that would be so
fun. I'm like, you wantto watch me eat? And they're like

(38:22):
yeah. I'm like, okay,don't go out to dinner with that person
the record you eating. I thinkwe're gonna cut it. We've had enough.
We're gonna eats during our next episode. I'm not gonna repeat what's being

(38:45):
said off screen. So I Uour patrons. I'm so sorry our patrons
have actually not voted for the youguys vote so and I actually I did
not have time to write up mybonus episode with the week that I had.

(39:07):
I worked some overtime and was busy. So I am gonna write it
up next week. So you guyshave like a couple more days to vote.
If not, I'm just gonna goham I do that. I want
to see what Lexi's gonna come upwith. Right, don't vote, Let's
see what happens. Speaking of thePatreon, we have a new patron.
We have a new patron. Oh, we're up to four. We're up

(39:28):
to four. Boy, that's anew pr. That's a patron pr yay
yeah, or that's a good number. Four is a great number. I'm
so excited, yes for you guyswatching us on YouTube. If you just
do want our Patreon, you geta bonus episode a month and you get

(39:49):
to vote on what it is,and you get ad free episodes like during
if you listen to us, likeon like Spotify and stuff, theres a
bunch of ads in the beginning andsometimes to the middle, and a bunch
at the end. We do tryand keep them primarily at the beginning and
the end, just so you're notdealing with them in the middle. But
at a certain point, whichever servicewe use is just like we're throwing it

(40:10):
in there. We're thrown an extraone in there. Yeah. Well yeah,
so you guys can fuck go toour patreon. You can follow us
on Twitter, Instagram, subscribe toour YouTube. We can say that now
like sharing subscribe. I never thoughtit'd be YouTube guys, what's up?

(40:34):
And let me tell you I've discoveredI've discovered the strangest corners of YouTube lately.
Like I'm really I'm really into likeshort horror film YouTube and like alternate
reality game YouTube, Like I'm notinto normal YouTubers, Like I can't like
people like oh you ever seen Idon't know, give me YouTube reere like
Jake Scepti side like, oh,you've ever seen it? A gamer or

(40:57):
whatever, and I'm like, I'mwatching this person who I think might not
be real fight off an alien.You know, I feel bad. I
feel like I can't relate to otherpeople's YouTube experience because I'm just in the
most bizarre YouTube rabbit holes. Ah. So that sounds like my book club.
I'm got a book club. I'ma nerd. So everyone's going around
and they're like, I like romances, I like sci fi, so like

(41:22):
Cala, what do you read?I'm like horror, non fiction fiction for
gory stuff, and they are justlike, okay, oh I love horror.
I absolutely love horror books. Iactually like when I see horror recommendations
on like book talk or Bookstagram,which is rare. Booktop has a very

(41:45):
specific genre that it usually is talkingabout, which is fine, whatever,
Frost's your cupcake. But I'm I'mmore of a horror person. So when
I find people that are like booksthat genuinely unsettled me, I'm like,
save save, save, save save. I have a budget of those that's
like eighty percent of my Kindle libraries. Horror. Alrighty, well, how

(42:05):
did we get here. I don'tknow, we just lighten the mood from
the god awful topic I picked.Yes, uh, maybe I'll pick something
exceedingly silly for next week so thatwe have a good palate cleanser in between.
We could do that. Yeah.Yeah, So you guys can follow
us on all our things, Subscribeto us, go to our Patreon,

(42:28):
Email us at a Little Wicked Podcastsat gmail dot com. You can send
us recommendations of what you want tohear. You can. You can critique
us if you want once you likehearing, which you don't like hearing,
but be nice because I'll cry.Don't be mean if you Also, if
you're another podcast, hit us up. We love doing collapse. Yeah.

(42:52):
We do like doing collaborations where wedo like an ad ad swamp of whatever.
We have done those before. Butyeah, so I think that was
just terribly wicked. Yeah, thatwas truly a little wicked.