November 19, 2024 • 20 mins
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In this episode of 'A Magical Life,' host Magic Barclay sits down with Richard Friesen, a professional who helps business leaders and professionals increase their personal effectiveness using a neuroscience-based mind muscles model. Richard shares his experiences as a futures broker, floor trader, and software creator, and discusses how stress related to money impacts health. He introduces the concepts from his book 'A Private Conversation with Money' and offers valuable tips for creating wealth beyond just financial gains. They also delve into the deep-seated beliefs about money and how to shift perspectives to align better with personal values and goals. Tune in to learn more about initiating a positive transformation in your financial mindset and overall well-being.
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Magic Barclay (00:42):
Welcome back to A Magical Life.
I'm your host, Magic Barclay.
And today, Richard Friesen joinsus.
Richard works with professionalsand business leaders who want to
increase their personaleffectiveness with joy and
grace.
His neuroscience based mindmuscles model gives his clients
the opportunity to reach theirgoals with online training,
(01:06):
simulations, interactiveexercises, group support, and
real time decision processes.
Richard has been a futuresbroker for Merrill Lynch, a
floor trader on the CME andCBOT, and options floor of the
Pacific Exchange, Where he builtand sold a successful options
(01:29):
trading firm, where he served onthe exchanges board of
directors.
He also founded and built afinancial software company and
is the inventor of 10significant trading interface
patents, this combined with hismaster's degree in clinical
psychology, neuro linguisticsprogramming, master's
(01:49):
certification.
And neuroscience focus brings aunique framework to business,
investing and career success.
Richard is building a moneypositive community with his
book, a private conversationwith money and his online
course.
This book observes the maincharacter, Joe, who deals with
(02:10):
all the conflicts, self sabotageand belief systems around money
and wealth.
Welcome Richard.
Richard Friesen (02:20):
Well, thank you so much.
It's good to be here.
And it's going to be adelightful conversation.
I'm anticipating that and I lookforward to a lot of energy and a
lot of good thoughts aroundmoney and wealth and helping
people reframe their thinking sothat they can be more
successful.
Magic Barclay (02:41):
And ditto, I couldn't say it any better
myself.
Now, listen, I ask all of myguests the same three questions.
Everyone gives me differentanswers, and I'm going to tailor
those a little bit for youtoday.
And the first one is what canyour expertise do to accelerate
health?
Not just physical health, butalso emotional and spiritual
(03:03):
health, given that so manypeople have really Crazy belief
systems around money, whetherit's theirs, their parents
societies, whatever.
It seems to really impact ontheir health.
Richard Friesen (03:18):
Yes, well, stress, as you know, produces a
lot of hormonal andneurochemicals that in the long
term really impact our health.
And money is one of the moststressful, Uh, things when they
do surveys, you know, people areworried about money and their
financial future.
(03:39):
So what if we woke up tomorrowmorning and we were in rapport
with our money, our finances,our wealth, and our meaning, so
that internally we were fullyaligned with, with, you know,
the people who come to me andthe people who read the book are
people with really good hearts.
They want the best forthemselves, their families, and
(04:01):
their community.
And what happens is it's just abunch of belief systems.
And internal messages and voicesand conflicts that keep them
from expressing what theirheart's desire is and finding
rapport and letting go of thelong term stress.
Magic Barclay (04:20):
And our next standard question is right up
your alley.
And that is, what are your topthree tips to creating wealth?
And people think it's just thefinancial.
And I know for you, you talkabout that, but it can also be
personal and emotional wealth.
And I'm just going to throw inhere that so many people tie
(04:40):
their personal or emotionalwealth to the financial wealth.
Like if I don't have money, thenI am not as great a person or
whatever.
So what are your top three tipsto boosting any kind of wealth?
Richard Friesen (04:53):
Well, thinking in terms of tips is thinking in
terms of symptoms.
And if we think in terms ofsymptoms, sometimes we can hit.
Uh, a symptom right correctly,we can reframe it and the client
is off and running and doingwell.
But if we think of the deeperissues, you know, if we start
(05:16):
with our identity, you know,like what you just brought up,
you know, our worthiness, uh, Ihave my own personal story about
my lack of worthiness and how itimpacted me significantly, uh,
In my own financial world, uh,so if we have the deepest issues
around our worthiness, and thenwe look at our belief systems,
(05:38):
do we believe that, uh, that theworld economy is like a, a pie?
It's a single pie.
And if somebody has more.
We have less.
Is that the belief system?
And how does that work then ifyou want to be successful?
And then we have look atbehaviors.
If we're going up from thedepths of our identity, our
(06:01):
beliefs and up to our behaviors,what kind of behaviors do we do?
What kind of skills do we haveabove that?
And what kind of knowledge thatwe need?
So it really depends.
The tips depend on what level.
We're working at with a clientor whoever reads the book.
And once we look at the level,then we can determine how better
(06:23):
to go forward.
For example, if we look at myown issues around the deepest
level of identity, then thattakes a Some coaching, and we
have ways to deal with that sothat we can reframe identity or
all the way up the ladder.
Magic Barclay (06:43):
And our final standard question is around
weight loss.
Have you ever battled yourweight?
If so, how did you win that war?
What can you offer the listenerswho might be dealing with this,
given that stress is such amajor factor in weight issues?
Richard Friesen (07:01):
Oh, yeah.
Food has such deep survivalmechanisms attached to it.
It has satisfaction on thedeepest level.
it can divert us from thingsthat we don't want to deal with
it.
And it gives us just thatimmediate good feeling.
So, what I have discovered inworking with people with money,
(07:24):
although I don't work withpeople around food issues and
weight issues, is that itdepends on the context that we
are in.
So, for example, if I have themental image of my person as a
healthy, strong, vibrant,physically alive person, and I'm
(07:45):
in that context, I look at apiece of pizza.
And it just doesn't fit.
I mean, it's just, I, it's noteven part of my thinking.
But let's go on the other sideof it.
And let's assume that I amemotionally hungry.
I'm feeling stressed.
I have had an argument with mywife that morning.
(08:07):
Whatever it is where I am not inthat context, then what happens
is that pizza becomes asalvation for me.
And in that context, do I haveenough willpower to stop eating
the whole box of pizzas?
Well, the answer is, and I'msaying this personally, and true
for me, the answer is no.
(08:27):
So the question then becomes,how do we step into a context
context?
Where the pizza doesn't existfor us.
Magic Barclay (08:37):
Wow, that's deep.
I really love that.
Okay, so we've already covered alot, but I know there's so much
more we can explore.
Tell us about your book and whyyou wrote it and what it can do
for people.
Richard Friesen (08:55):
Yeah, well, my own story is that I was working
for a large hedge fund, whichhad hundreds of millions of
dollars and working for them.
And then I went on my own.
And long story short, was avoice woke me up in the middle
of the night and said, Rich,Rich.
You're only worth 200, 000 ayear.
Well, a backstory was I hadmade, that was my limit of how
(09:19):
much I made.
But once I realized that I wasdone with that limit, I went on
to make many times that andstarted a firm and hired traders
to trade my methodology.
About a third of them would justtake that methodology and take
off and do well.
And a third of them would dowell, they'd do okay.
But a third couldn't seem totake what was the same for
(09:43):
everyone else in my firm andmake money.
They'd make a little and lose alittle.
I brought in a hypnotherapist.
And what we discovered, each oneof them had a conflict around
money, a conflict around theiridentity, and a conflict around
where they belonged in a socialorder.
(10:04):
So all of those things then, uh,the safe way to handle that
anxiety and not to have to dealby, with it by stepping into a
new context was simply not tomake money.
Magic Barclay (10:17):
Wow, that It's pretty groundbreaking.
And I think of my ownrelationship with money coming
from, you know, a family withearly divorce and struggling
with money and, you know,parents not being able to
provide everything because theother parent wasn't there.
I know stepping into adulthood,my relationship with money and
(10:38):
my money beliefs were reallywhacked out.
Like they were crazy and doing alot of work on myself.
And my beliefs really turnedthat around.
So how do you suggest people,first of all, identify their
money beliefs and second of all,change the way they're feeling
(10:59):
and thinking about it?
Richard Friesen (11:01):
Well, what you're pointing out is how you
identify them.
You just put your finger on thefirst step of what we call.
The golden keys and the threegolden keys.
The first is and what you justsaid awareness.
How can we be aware of our allthe internal voices and
conflicts.
The second is once we start todiscover those voices in those
(11:25):
conflicts.
is to accept them.
In other words, if I beat myselfup and I judge myself for what I
discover, you know, that's notgoing to work very well.
So first is awareness.
Second is acceptance of what Idiscover.
And the third is agency.
In other words, my awareness inreal time of what's going on
(11:46):
inside of me, my physiology, myemotions, my thoughts.
If I practice that enough,eventually that becomes more
than awareness.
That becomes the level at whichI start to make choices and I,
what I can do say, okay, I'maware of what's going on.
I accept it.
But now what would I prefer?
And what would I like instead?
(12:08):
So, to help with the awarenessof of what's going on, we have
an online course and I'll giveyou a.
So people can find the courseand I'll, I'll give it to you.
In fact, I'll give it to youraudience for free.
So I'll, I'll make a coupon.
And if they go to conversations.
moneyslash magic, they can findthe coupon there.
(12:30):
And there we have some, uh,assessments.
We have some exercises.
That will really focus and bringto the surface and bring to your
consciousness, the internalvoices and conflicts that may be
holding you back.
Magic Barclay (12:49):
Very generous indeed.
Thank you.
Okay, Richard, what's somethingwe haven't discussed that you
feel the listeners need to hear?
Richard Friesen (13:00):
Well, one of the things that and the reframes
that I bring up is that.
Many years ago, maybe twodecades ago, I was listening to
the radio and there was aeconomist in the US and he
reframed money as a certificateof appreciation.
And I went, Oh, wow, that'sinteresting.
(13:24):
So in the book, and in theexercises.
We treat money like acertificate of appreciation.
So if, for example, you were todo a service for me, what I do
in return is give you mycertificates of appreciation.
I say, thank you.
(13:45):
Thank you for this service thatis more valuable to me than
these certificates that I'mgiving to you.
And then you say, wow, I justdelivered value to rich.
And he gave me some certificatesof appreciation.
Whoa.
So that reframe alone haschanged the lives of people
because they grew up that moneyis the root of all evil.
(14:08):
Wealthy people are jerks.
Uh, if I become wealthy, I'mgoing to be a jerk.
You know, just all theseinternal voices, especially in
our current cultural dividearound, we both worship the
wealthy and the glitzy and themovie stars.
And at the same time, We look atwealthy as making money off the
backs of the poor.
(14:29):
So by thinking of money as acertificate of appreciation for
value delivered.
Wow.
Now, this is going to blow, blowyour head apart.
Are you ready for this?
Magic Barclay (14:44):
Ready?
Let's have it.
Richard Friesen (14:46):
Let's have it.
Okay.
The more certificates ofappreciation that you collect
for delivering value to others.
The more value you havedelivered to your community and
the world, you can look at yourbank account, if honestly
delivered, as one measure of thevalue you are delivering.
(15:12):
So rather than seeing wealth asevil, it's a measurement of
value.
Now, we know that mothers andfathers deliver value to their
families.
We know that there are peoplewho have changed the world for
the better, like Martin LutherKing in the United States.
We have people who deliver valuethat has nothing to do with
(15:33):
money or certificates ofappreciation.
But if we're in the commercialworld, We can look at our bank
account and say, yes.
Look what value I have deliveredto others.
And what this reframe does is itimmediately clears up conflicts
(15:54):
we have about money and wealthand success.
Magic Barclay (15:58):
Boom.
That's all I can say.
Richard Friesen (16:03):
Excellent.
Magic Barclay (16:04):
I personally don't look up to people.
With money or with status orwith celebrity as great people.
I look to people who can, youknow, teach me how to feed my
family from my own backyard asgreat people.
I look at people who try to savenature and save animals and keep
(16:28):
the bees alive as great people.
How do we change?
who we put on a pedestal becauseI know as a child, I would look
at celebrities and I would lookat, you know, business people as
those to, to put on thatfinancial or wealth pedestal.
(16:49):
Now finance means nothing to me,but feeding my family, healthy
food.
Being healthy, obviously, is thewealth that I crave and crave
for my loved ones.
How does that shift happen?
Like, how do we say to peoplewho might be listening, you know
what, it's not necessarily thedollars in your bank account
(17:13):
that make you a good person.
It's what you do with them.
Richard Friesen (17:18):
Yeah, what you're bringing up is really
important, that we deliver valueto others on all sorts of
different levels.
I know my wife right now is withthree boy grandkids, and the
value she is delivering asgrandma is huge to those three
boys.
(17:38):
I know that People who havesacrificed coming out of the
depression in the United States,sacrificed everything they had,
worked multiple jobs in order togive their kids a better life.
There are people who are workingwith natural foods and ways for
people to grow gardens.
There's all sorts of ways we candeliver value that don't
(18:01):
necessarily produce status ormoney or glitz.
But, we can also allow thatpeople who deliver value for,
commercial value, for thingsthat really matter to us and
make our lives better.
We can also, without diminishingthe former, really honor the
(18:22):
latter.
Great
Magic Barclay (18:28):
information.
Okay, before we wrap it up,Richard, tell us again where
people can find your freebie.
Thank you.
Richard Friesen (18:37):
Yeah, conversations dot money slash
magic, and we'll put up aspecial page there, and on that
page, they can find out how toget the book, a private
conversation with money, how toget a coupon for the free
course, which is online thatthey can.
Take it their leisure, and alsothey can then we'll, we'll let
(19:01):
them know when we have onlinegroups or other support services
for people who are stressedabout money, people who feel
guilty about their wealth, orpeople who would just like to
have more rapport with thedeepest values they have, the
meaning they want in life.
And money and success.
Magic Barclay (19:21):
I love all of that so much.
Yes.
Listeners.
It really is time to have areally good look at your
relationship with money, yourbeliefs about money and what you
feel wealth is.
Actually is.
And, you know, part of what Ibring to the table is the wealth
(19:44):
of knowledge.
So please like, review, shareand subscribe to this podcast.
You know, it really does helpother people learn and grow
their wealth of knowledge.
Richard, thank you so much foryour time.
Richard Friesen (19:59):
Oh, this was my pleasure.
You asked all the rightquestions, the hard questions,
but I think there you asked theright questions and we got right
down to it.
Magic Barclay (20:09):
We did.
And listeners, thank you foryour time.
Go forth and create your magicallife.
Welcome back to A Magical Life.
I'm your host, Magic Barclay.
And today, Richard Friesen joinsus.
Richard works with professionalsand business leaders who want to
increase their personaleffectiveness with joy and
grace.
His neuroscience based mindmuscles model gives his clients
the opportunity to reach theirgoals with online training,
(01:06):
simulations, interactiveexercises, group support, and
real time decision processes.
Richard has been a futuresbroker for Merrill Lynch, a
floor trader on the CME andCBOT, and options floor of the
Pacific Exchange, Where he builtand sold a successful options
(01:29):
trading firm, where he served onthe exchanges board of
directors.
He also founded and built afinancial software company and
is the inventor of 10significant trading interface
patents, this combined with hismaster's degree in clinical
psychology, neuro linguisticsprogramming, master's
(01:49):
certification.
And neuroscience focus brings aunique framework to business,
investing and career success.
Richard is building a moneypositive community with his
book, a private conversationwith money and his online
course.
This book observes the maincharacter, Joe, who deals with
(02:10):
all the conflicts, self sabotageand belief systems around money
and wealth.
Welcome Richard.
Richard Friesen (02:20):
Well, thank you so much.
It's good to be here.
And it's going to be adelightful conversation.
I'm anticipating that and I lookforward to a lot of energy and a
lot of good thoughts aroundmoney and wealth and helping
people reframe their thinking sothat they can be more
successful.
Magic Barclay (02:41):
And ditto, I couldn't say it any better
myself.
Now, listen, I ask all of myguests the same three questions.
Everyone gives me differentanswers, and I'm going to tailor
those a little bit for youtoday.
And the first one is what canyour expertise do to accelerate
health?
Not just physical health, butalso emotional and spiritual
(03:03):
health, given that so manypeople have really Crazy belief
systems around money, whetherit's theirs, their parents
societies, whatever.
It seems to really impact ontheir health.
Richard Friesen (03:18):
Yes, well, stress, as you know, produces a
lot of hormonal andneurochemicals that in the long
term really impact our health.
And money is one of the moststressful, Uh, things when they
do surveys, you know, people areworried about money and their
financial future.
(03:39):
So what if we woke up tomorrowmorning and we were in rapport
with our money, our finances,our wealth, and our meaning, so
that internally we were fullyaligned with, with, you know,
the people who come to me andthe people who read the book are
people with really good hearts.
They want the best forthemselves, their families, and
(04:01):
their community.
And what happens is it's just abunch of belief systems.
And internal messages and voicesand conflicts that keep them
from expressing what theirheart's desire is and finding
rapport and letting go of thelong term stress.
Magic Barclay (04:20):
And our next standard question is right up
your alley.
And that is, what are your topthree tips to creating wealth?
And people think it's just thefinancial.
And I know for you, you talkabout that, but it can also be
personal and emotional wealth.
And I'm just going to throw inhere that so many people tie
(04:40):
their personal or emotionalwealth to the financial wealth.
Like if I don't have money, thenI am not as great a person or
whatever.
So what are your top three tipsto boosting any kind of wealth?
Richard Friesen (04:53):
Well, thinking in terms of tips is thinking in
terms of symptoms.
And if we think in terms ofsymptoms, sometimes we can hit.
Uh, a symptom right correctly,we can reframe it and the client
is off and running and doingwell.
But if we think of the deeperissues, you know, if we start
(05:16):
with our identity, you know,like what you just brought up,
you know, our worthiness, uh, Ihave my own personal story about
my lack of worthiness and how itimpacted me significantly, uh,
In my own financial world, uh,so if we have the deepest issues
around our worthiness, and thenwe look at our belief systems,
(05:38):
do we believe that, uh, that theworld economy is like a, a pie?
It's a single pie.
And if somebody has more.
We have less.
Is that the belief system?
And how does that work then ifyou want to be successful?
And then we have look atbehaviors.
If we're going up from thedepths of our identity, our
(06:01):
beliefs and up to our behaviors,what kind of behaviors do we do?
What kind of skills do we haveabove that?
And what kind of knowledge thatwe need?
So it really depends.
The tips depend on what level.
We're working at with a clientor whoever reads the book.
And once we look at the level,then we can determine how better
(06:23):
to go forward.
For example, if we look at myown issues around the deepest
level of identity, then thattakes a Some coaching, and we
have ways to deal with that sothat we can reframe identity or
all the way up the ladder.
Magic Barclay (06:43):
And our final standard question is around
weight loss.
Have you ever battled yourweight?
If so, how did you win that war?
What can you offer the listenerswho might be dealing with this,
given that stress is such amajor factor in weight issues?
Richard Friesen (07:01):
Oh, yeah.
Food has such deep survivalmechanisms attached to it.
It has satisfaction on thedeepest level.
it can divert us from thingsthat we don't want to deal with
it.
And it gives us just thatimmediate good feeling.
So, what I have discovered inworking with people with money,
(07:24):
although I don't work withpeople around food issues and
weight issues, is that itdepends on the context that we
are in.
So, for example, if I have themental image of my person as a
healthy, strong, vibrant,physically alive person, and I'm
(07:45):
in that context, I look at apiece of pizza.
And it just doesn't fit.
I mean, it's just, I, it's noteven part of my thinking.
But let's go on the other sideof it.
And let's assume that I amemotionally hungry.
I'm feeling stressed.
I have had an argument with mywife that morning.
(08:07):
Whatever it is where I am not inthat context, then what happens
is that pizza becomes asalvation for me.
And in that context, do I haveenough willpower to stop eating
the whole box of pizzas?
Well, the answer is, and I'msaying this personally, and true
for me, the answer is no.
(08:27):
So the question then becomes,how do we step into a context
context?
Where the pizza doesn't existfor us.
Magic Barclay (08:37):
Wow, that's deep.
I really love that.
Okay, so we've already covered alot, but I know there's so much
more we can explore.
Tell us about your book and whyyou wrote it and what it can do
for people.
Richard Friesen (08:55):
Yeah, well, my own story is that I was working
for a large hedge fund, whichhad hundreds of millions of
dollars and working for them.
And then I went on my own.
And long story short, was avoice woke me up in the middle
of the night and said, Rich,Rich.
You're only worth 200, 000 ayear.
Well, a backstory was I hadmade, that was my limit of how
(09:19):
much I made.
But once I realized that I wasdone with that limit, I went on
to make many times that andstarted a firm and hired traders
to trade my methodology.
About a third of them would justtake that methodology and take
off and do well.
And a third of them would dowell, they'd do okay.
But a third couldn't seem totake what was the same for
(09:43):
everyone else in my firm andmake money.
They'd make a little and lose alittle.
I brought in a hypnotherapist.
And what we discovered, each oneof them had a conflict around
money, a conflict around theiridentity, and a conflict around
where they belonged in a socialorder.
(10:04):
So all of those things then, uh,the safe way to handle that
anxiety and not to have to dealby, with it by stepping into a
new context was simply not tomake money.
Magic Barclay (10:17):
Wow, that It's pretty groundbreaking.
And I think of my ownrelationship with money coming
from, you know, a family withearly divorce and struggling
with money and, you know,parents not being able to
provide everything because theother parent wasn't there.
I know stepping into adulthood,my relationship with money and
(10:38):
my money beliefs were reallywhacked out.
Like they were crazy and doing alot of work on myself.
And my beliefs really turnedthat around.
So how do you suggest people,first of all, identify their
money beliefs and second of all,change the way they're feeling
(10:59):
and thinking about it?
Richard Friesen (11:01):
Well, what you're pointing out is how you
identify them.
You just put your finger on thefirst step of what we call.
The golden keys and the threegolden keys.
The first is and what you justsaid awareness.
How can we be aware of our allthe internal voices and
conflicts.
The second is once we start todiscover those voices in those
(11:25):
conflicts.
is to accept them.
In other words, if I beat myselfup and I judge myself for what I
discover, you know, that's notgoing to work very well.
So first is awareness.
Second is acceptance of what Idiscover.
And the third is agency.
In other words, my awareness inreal time of what's going on
(11:46):
inside of me, my physiology, myemotions, my thoughts.
If I practice that enough,eventually that becomes more
than awareness.
That becomes the level at whichI start to make choices and I,
what I can do say, okay, I'maware of what's going on.
I accept it.
But now what would I prefer?
And what would I like instead?
(12:08):
So, to help with the awarenessof of what's going on, we have
an online course and I'll giveyou a.
So people can find the courseand I'll, I'll give it to you.
In fact, I'll give it to youraudience for free.
So I'll, I'll make a coupon.
And if they go to conversations.
moneyslash magic, they can findthe coupon there.
(12:30):
And there we have some, uh,assessments.
We have some exercises.
That will really focus and bringto the surface and bring to your
consciousness, the internalvoices and conflicts that may be
holding you back.
Magic Barclay (12:49):
Very generous indeed.
Thank you.
Okay, Richard, what's somethingwe haven't discussed that you
feel the listeners need to hear?
Richard Friesen (13:00):
Well, one of the things that and the reframes
that I bring up is that.
Many years ago, maybe twodecades ago, I was listening to
the radio and there was aeconomist in the US and he
reframed money as a certificateof appreciation.
And I went, Oh, wow, that'sinteresting.
(13:24):
So in the book, and in theexercises.
We treat money like acertificate of appreciation.
So if, for example, you were todo a service for me, what I do
in return is give you mycertificates of appreciation.
I say, thank you.
(13:45):
Thank you for this service thatis more valuable to me than
these certificates that I'mgiving to you.
And then you say, wow, I justdelivered value to rich.
And he gave me some certificatesof appreciation.
Whoa.
So that reframe alone haschanged the lives of people
because they grew up that moneyis the root of all evil.
(14:08):
Wealthy people are jerks.
Uh, if I become wealthy, I'mgoing to be a jerk.
You know, just all theseinternal voices, especially in
our current cultural dividearound, we both worship the
wealthy and the glitzy and themovie stars.
And at the same time, We look atwealthy as making money off the
backs of the poor.
(14:29):
So by thinking of money as acertificate of appreciation for
value delivered.
Wow.
Now, this is going to blow, blowyour head apart.
Are you ready for this?
Magic Barclay (14:44):
Ready?
Let's have it.
Richard Friesen (14:46):
Let's have it.
Okay.
The more certificates ofappreciation that you collect
for delivering value to others.
The more value you havedelivered to your community and
the world, you can look at yourbank account, if honestly
delivered, as one measure of thevalue you are delivering.
(15:12):
So rather than seeing wealth asevil, it's a measurement of
value.
Now, we know that mothers andfathers deliver value to their
families.
We know that there are peoplewho have changed the world for
the better, like Martin LutherKing in the United States.
We have people who deliver valuethat has nothing to do with
(15:33):
money or certificates ofappreciation.
But if we're in the commercialworld, We can look at our bank
account and say, yes.
Look what value I have deliveredto others.
And what this reframe does is itimmediately clears up conflicts
(15:54):
we have about money and wealthand success.
Magic Barclay (15:58):
Boom.
That's all I can say.
Richard Friesen (16:03):
Excellent.
Magic Barclay (16:04):
I personally don't look up to people.
With money or with status orwith celebrity as great people.
I look to people who can, youknow, teach me how to feed my
family from my own backyard asgreat people.
I look at people who try to savenature and save animals and keep
(16:28):
the bees alive as great people.
How do we change?
who we put on a pedestal becauseI know as a child, I would look
at celebrities and I would lookat, you know, business people as
those to, to put on thatfinancial or wealth pedestal.
(16:49):
Now finance means nothing to me,but feeding my family, healthy
food.
Being healthy, obviously, is thewealth that I crave and crave
for my loved ones.
How does that shift happen?
Like, how do we say to peoplewho might be listening, you know
what, it's not necessarily thedollars in your bank account
(17:13):
that make you a good person.
It's what you do with them.
Richard Friesen (17:18):
Yeah, what you're bringing up is really
important, that we deliver valueto others on all sorts of
different levels.
I know my wife right now is withthree boy grandkids, and the
value she is delivering asgrandma is huge to those three
boys.
(17:38):
I know that People who havesacrificed coming out of the
depression in the United States,sacrificed everything they had,
worked multiple jobs in order togive their kids a better life.
There are people who are workingwith natural foods and ways for
people to grow gardens.
There's all sorts of ways we candeliver value that don't
(18:01):
necessarily produce status ormoney or glitz.
But, we can also allow thatpeople who deliver value for,
commercial value, for thingsthat really matter to us and
make our lives better.
We can also, without diminishingthe former, really honor the
(18:22):
latter.
Great
Magic Barclay (18:28):
information.
Okay, before we wrap it up,Richard, tell us again where
people can find your freebie.
Thank you.
Richard Friesen (18:37):
Yeah, conversations dot money slash
magic, and we'll put up aspecial page there, and on that
page, they can find out how toget the book, a private
conversation with money, how toget a coupon for the free
course, which is online thatthey can.
Take it their leisure, and alsothey can then we'll, we'll let
(19:01):
them know when we have onlinegroups or other support services
for people who are stressedabout money, people who feel
guilty about their wealth, orpeople who would just like to
have more rapport with thedeepest values they have, the
meaning they want in life.
And money and success.
Magic Barclay (19:21):
I love all of that so much.
Yes.
Listeners.
It really is time to have areally good look at your
relationship with money, yourbeliefs about money and what you
feel wealth is.
Actually is.
And, you know, part of what Ibring to the table is the wealth
(19:44):
of knowledge.
So please like, review, shareand subscribe to this podcast.
You know, it really does helpother people learn and grow
their wealth of knowledge.
Richard, thank you so much foryour time.
Richard Friesen (19:59):
Oh, this was my pleasure.
You asked all the rightquestions, the hard questions,
but I think there you asked theright questions and we got right
down to it.
Magic Barclay (20:09):
We did.
And listeners, thank you foryour time.
Go forth and create your magicallife.
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