November 5, 2024 • 19 mins
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Join host Magic Barclay as she welcomes US Army veteran, coach, and entrepreneurial evangelist Jason Skeesick. Jason, founder of Spear and Clover, shares his insights on accelerating physical, emotional, and spiritual health, creating wealth beyond finances, and the power of consistency in weight loss. Dive into Jason's philosophy on building passionate tribes, the importance of collective elective suffering, and harnessing a military mindset for entrepreneurial success. Learn how Jason integrates his experiences from the military and business to foster dynamic, purpose-driven communities. Don't miss his free offer on leveraging Chat GPT for coaches and solopreneurs. Tune in for transformative tips and tools for entrepreneurs from all walks of life.
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Magic Barclay (00:42):
Welcome back to a magical life.
I'm your host, Magic Barclay,and today Jason Skisik joins us.
is a U S army veteran, a coach,and an entrepreneurial
evangelist.
He is a father, husband,fighter, and carrier of heavy
things.
His company, Spear and Clover,helps businesses with passionate
(01:05):
leaders, talented teams, andstrong playbooks to go from
contenders to dynastyorganizations.
He leads the Spear and CloverMastermind, which is a large
group of like mindedentrepreneurs.
United in helping one anotherimpact the world with their
unique missions.
You can find Jason hosting theweekly Spear and Clover podcast
(01:29):
available on YouTube and acrossall audio platforms.
Welcome Jason.
Jason Skeesick (01:35):
Oh, magic.
Thank you so much for thatglowing welcome, as well as
having me on your show andsharing your audience with me
today, I appreciate the chanceto get to talk to you.
Magic Barclay (01:44):
My absolute pleasure to have you here.
Now, I ask everyone the samethree questions and do you know
what?
The answers are so diverse.
It's.
Pretty cool, actually.
And here comes your first one.
What can your expertise do toaccelerate health, not just
physical, but also emotional andspiritual health?
Jason Skeesick (02:08):
Oh, that's a great question.
I would say, first and foremost,turn up the volume on health.
And, and I think that's becausemy philosophy has always been
that, To start with somethingthat you love to do, I've always
felt like I get to play sportsor I get to go on a ruck march
or I get to go do jujitsu orCrossFit or any of the things
that I do for my healthylifestyle.
(02:30):
and so because of that, it neverfeels like it's a chore.
and then from that domino.
Um, nutrition and recovery and,and, you know, healthy living as
far as, you know, alcohol or, orsugary foods is concerned, it's
just a natural flow of someonewho is excited to do better and
better at the thing that he, orshe enjoys to do.
Um, and so for starters, itwould be, to be able to do, I
(02:52):
just am able to do so much morephysically and, and prepare
myself so much better withnutrition and recovery and,
diet, as a result Of the passionthat I carry for the things that
I do.
and then of certain, certainlythere's other stuff as well, but
that's probably the first thingthat comes to mind.
Magic Barclay (03:08):
Terrific.
Now our second standard questionis around wealth.
Many people think that's justthe finances, just the money,
but wealth can also be personaland emotional.
So what are your top three tipsto creating wealth of any kind?
Jason Skeesick (03:25):
Oh, what a great question.
You're asking the right person.
Um, I believe that I retired in2018.
and that was the last time thatI did anything for money that I
didn't want to do.
I have very intentionally builtbusinesses around tribes, and
built businesses around thingsthat I really enjoy doing.
Uh, but even when I was anemployee, I always pursued those
(03:46):
jobs where I was a little bitexcited, if not a lot excited
about what I was doing, aboutwho I was working with.
and so because of that, mymother would tell you that I was
calling her on the phone fromIraq as a deployed us army
soldier, telling her that I washaving the time of my life.
And at the time magic, uh, wewere digging holes in the desert
12 hours a day, seven days aweek.
(04:06):
Um, but I, I felt like I wasgetting in shape.
I was meeting and developingthese great relationships.
I got to have, you know, thisterrific food and, uh, was, was
very focused on this mission.
And so because of that, youknow, I was able to find, you
know, a very, I've always beenable to find a very positive.
You know, situation out ofwherever I find myself with as
far as creating wealth.
I think the, you know, as abusiness coach, um, the thing
(04:27):
that I would tell anentrepreneur or anybody is to
spend time and focus on pursuingassets, whether it's buying them
or building them as anentrepreneur.
And those assets should haveresidual results for you.
In other words, I think mostpeople spend their lives
pursuing linear results.
you know, I do one thing and onething happens if I stop doing
(04:49):
it, nothing happens.
Um, but entrepreneurs and peoplethat are wealthy in general
understand that whether it'sinvesting in, you know,
financial assets or buildingbusiness assets, or, you know,
even as a craftsman building,assets, that way.
you can get residual resultsthat go on and on that way.
And that I think is, is the sortof the second hallmark of
(05:10):
wealth.
Magic Barclay (05:11):
And our final standard question is around
weight loss.
Many people battle their weightquite needlessly.
We know that stress is a majorfactor here.
And so have you ever battledyour weight?
If so, how did you win the war?
And what can you offer thelisteners who might be on this
journey, particularly theentrepreneurs, the.
(05:34):
Survivors, the warriors who kindof take on so much load and
stress is really part of theirday.
Jason Skeesick (05:43):
Yeah, I think, the biggest thing there is
consistency.
you know, I think it's, it'sreally hard to find somebody who
goes to the gym every singleday, and eats right.
That's.
Maybe they're overweight by somestandards, but those people are
typically very happy andthere's, there's, you know,
chemical and hormonal reasonsfor that.
And so I would say consistencyis king, and that leads me back
(06:05):
to my first point earlier, whichis it's so, so, so much easier
to be consistent, when you enjoywhat you're doing, when you're
doing what you're doing with acollective, Group of other
people that are working hardtowards the same goals.
Uh, my good friend, coach RobinLalonde, from Chicago as well,
has this saying collectiveelective suffering.
And so I just think, I believestrongly in this idea of like
(06:27):
minded people getting togetherin a group, not with headphones
on, not on a treadmill andelecting to suffer together
through something that'schallenging.
and that very, very much.
inspires camaraderie andinspires a feeling of
accomplishment.
and it also leads to,consistency, mental and physical
wellbeing.
and then, you know, your bodyweight or your, your body
(06:49):
composition, you know, obviouslywe'll, we'll follow that.
and then of course, if, ifthat's not the case, then
certainly there are things like,you know, You know, hormone
balancing and, and, anddifferent types of diets that
can be considered.
But you know, in my experience,so many people think that
they're the special case when infact they're probably just in
need of consistent collectiveelective suffering.
Magic Barclay (07:12):
Great.
We've already covered so muchhere, but now I really want to
open the floor to you, Jason.
What are some things that youfind yourself talking about now,
just for the listeners to giveyou an update, we were just
chatting off air.
Jason has done so much fitness,entrepreneurship, the U S
(07:32):
military health, like there'sjust so much, but what are some
key things, Jason, thatlisteners from any walks of life
could benefit from hearingtoday?
Jason Skeesick (07:44):
Yeah, that's a great question, Magic.
I think, um, I think really whatit all boils down to is
everything that I've done, uh,has been in service of, of this
idea of tribe or team, dependingon, uh, what it was, whether
it's, you know, as a young man,you know, skateboarding or
playing sports, in a collectionor hanging out with kids on the
block.
(08:04):
you know, it was always, for me,I always Got energy.
I came home with more energywhen I was doing things with a
group, uh, and working towardsthose things.
And so, uh, that carried me intothe military.
I think that's an obviousextension of that.
Um, I got a degree in financeand became a banker for one of
the bigger banks in the world.
And the thing that I loved aboutmy time there was the
(08:26):
camaraderie and the culture andfeeling like I was a part of, of
this.
fortress balance sheetorganization.
And, uh, you know, obviouslystarting and growing a CrossFit
gym with two friends from, fromnothing to, you know, over 500
members at one point, was a hugeaccomplishment, but really the
driving force was, you know,what can I do today to help my
(08:47):
tribe tomorrow?
and so for me, that has beenreally the, uh, true magnetic
north for, for me on my compass,most of my whole life.
closely followed by the topicsand the, the directions that
I've chosen to pursue are justthose things that I love, those
things that I've always enjoyed.
You know, I've already kind oftouched on this, but when I was
(09:07):
young.
I liked clothes.
I worked at the mall.
I liked snowboarding.
I worked at the snowboardinghill.
I liked pool and poker.
I worked at a casino and a poolhall, you know, and, and with
the exception of the military,that's been, you know, every
single job that I've ever had.
Magic Barclay (09:21):
So some of our listeners are entrepreneurs,
some are moms, some are dads,you know, some might be working
for the man, like who knowswhere they're from, but everyone
has, I guess, One ideal, andthat is to succeed, to progress,
to move forward.
What does that look like for youand for the coaches that you
(09:44):
work with?
Jason Skeesick (09:45):
great question.
I would say that, um, just likeanything, there's always a way
to improve because in any givensystem, there's always a speed
limit.
And that's the one thing that iscurrently stopping it from going
faster or better or growing orwhatever the, chosen adjective
would be, and if you payattention, it's actually usually
pretty obvious.
and I think unfortunately, somany of us, particularly
(10:08):
entrepreneurs, have it set inour mind that things should be a
certain way.
and so we, we miss those redflags of the speed limit that
actually is standing in our way.
And so.
The two things that I would giveadvice to somebody that wants to
pursue growth, whether it's intheir personal life, their
physical fitness, their, their,you know, body fat composition,
or, or at work or owning abusiness, it's to actually set
(10:32):
aside your preconceived notions.
You know, beliefs and your, youknow, your theory, um, put your
ego down and really look asobjectively as you can, or, you
know, use a coach to help youwith this, uh, to identify what
it is.
That's the one thing that youshould be working on removing
that will increase yourhypothetical speed limit.
Magic Barclay (10:52):
Okay, tell us about Spear and Clover.
What is the company?
What do you do?
How do you help people with it?
Jason Skeesick (11:00):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So I'll start by saying what isthe Spear and Clover.
So the Spear and Clover is apersonal symbol that's based on
two of my core values.
Um, and so as I've mentioned acouple of times, I go.
around, I live in the, Indianadunes national park here in
Indiana, outside of Chicago.
and every week I go on a ruckmarch with my two Australian
shepherds.
and one week I was going 11miles with a 40 pound pack on my
(11:23):
back and a 40 pound log on myshoulder.
and I'm laser focused on going11 miles without putting any of
this weight down.
and I'm head up feet moving, anda military mindset, which is one
of my core values and my dogsare having the time of their
life, they're running out intothe woods and then they're
circling back to check on me andthen they're running out into
the woods and they're circlingback to check on me.
(11:44):
And at, and that instant, I justrealized that at my best, I'm
not just laser focused militarymindset on achieving my goal or
task at hand, but I'm alsospirit of the puppy.
I'm having fun.
I'm taking time to enjoy whatwe're doing.
I'm trying new things.
I'm excited to be here.
And that's the spirit of what Ilike to bring to my work with
(12:04):
entrepreneurs, uh, with mymastermind, the spirit and
Clover mastermind.
we have a free Facebook groupwhere I engage with, with folks
called dynasty builders, andacross all of them is this idea
of pursuing undeniability andscale, but trying to make sure
that we're using our passionand, and our, and our sense of
fun as sort of a guide towardsthat.
(12:25):
Um, and so that's always beenvery important to me and for the
folks that I'm the best able tohelp.
It's also become important forthem.
Magic Barclay (12:32):
Great.
Now, Jason, what are some thingsthat we haven't touched on that
maybe.
They might be agitating topeople, maybe they might just be
a pleasant shake up.
What are some things that reallyare missing from, I guess, our
(12:53):
conversations and our, groupdynamics these days?
Jason Skeesick (12:59):
You know, that's a great question, Magic.
And I'm not sure if I'll be ableto pull anything crazy out of
the hat here.
I think, I think the, the bottomline is.
You know, regardless of ifyou're talking about your,
relationships, your bodycomposition, your fitness
regime, your nutrition, yourbusiness, your job, your
relationship with your parentsor your children, I really do
(13:19):
strongly believe that for themost part, we know exactly
what's going on.
what we should be doing, and weknow exactly what we're doing
that's holding us back.
I think that, that's wherepeople get this feeling of
shame, or this feeling of notwanting to talk about things, or
not wanting to address thingshead on, or, or trying to take
shortcuts.
And I think, I think ultimately,we all know that, you know,
(13:41):
those things, if addressed,would get us where we want to
go, it's, it's probably the, theone thing you probably don't
want to do is probably the thingthat will get you where you want
to go.
And so, you know, I would justchallenge anybody who, who
doesn't agree with that to, youknow, obviously, there's
certainly space here, but, I'vejust seen it play out far too
many times.
I can tell you right now that,in my career, I have been
(14:02):
progressively more successfulfinancially and more successful,
in the respect of my peers andthe people that I serve.
and it's been easier technicallyto build each subsequent
business, but it has beenexponentially harder.
unlike an emotional and a mentallevel, I've had to think more
clearly and more deeply.
(14:23):
I've had to challenge myselffrom good enough to throw that
away to try and make thingsgreat.
and I think that this is thejourney of life.
I think that, as we walk downthis path, inevitably to,
towards our own demise, themoment that we stop.
Trying to improve or put downour previously held things and
(14:43):
pick up new ideas or new methodsor improved things, uh, is the
moment that we start to decay.
And, and so I think that for themost part that, you know, as
long as you are always lookingfor.
Maybe I'll rephrase this asthis.
My life got a lot better when Istopped trying to win arguments
and I started to try and findmyself on the side of the truth.
(15:03):
I found that I was ending upstanding shoulder to shoulder
with so many more people afterconversations, and I found that
I was able to make morefinancial gains, more personal
gains, and also, develop a muchbetter relationships with the
folks that I, that I deal with.
By, by, instead of seeking,being right, seeking, finding
the correct answers.
Magic Barclay (15:24):
I think that's a really great distinction, not
seeking being right, finding theanswers.
I think much of our worldwidecommunity in modern times, we
all want to be right.
We want to be heard.
You know, we want to beaddressed correctly in our
(15:45):
minds.
We want, we want, we want.
but we're not really seekingremedy that helps our community,
helps our family, you know,helps the world community.
So what are some things that youlearned, particularly from the
army that you've used to thisday that help find that remedy
(16:06):
for community?
Jason Skeesick (16:08):
Well, the army was a totally polar opposite to
how I've built any other tribein the businesses that I've been
involved in is either the leaderof or as a part of the tribe.
and that is in the military.
I found myself particularly inIraq.
I found myself on a mission thatI didn't choose.
I was not able to quit even if Ihad wanted to without very stiff
(16:29):
repercussions.
I was doing work that I had noreal interest in, with people
that I didn't pick.
And, and I'll be honest withyou, Magic, a lot of them I
didn't get along with,particularly in the beginning,
and they didn't get along withme.
And so to be honest with you, Ithink it showed me that You
know, you read books like tribeor the struggle is the way, and
you see that this is a longhistory in human culture of, you
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know, small tribes of peoplethat are united by very
difficult things that take themthrough a group transformation.
and this is why I've identifiedso strongly with things like
CrossFit, or jujitsu, you know,fortunately for me, I, I love
doing those things, um, butthey're very difficult.
and so.
Yeah, I think the things thatI've learned from the military
were that in fact, I could findhappiness and joy and excitement
(17:14):
in just terrible places andcircumstances with people that I
would have never spent time withon by choice.
and, you know, candidly, I thinksome people say that they've,
you know, stayed in touch withforever and their brothers
afterwards.
And I would say we're definitelybrothers, but we haven't.
Stayed in touch as much as whatI think people often claim and
that's okay too.
(17:34):
Uh, but that time, that, thatmoment in time that I was there
with those people, you know, weovercame very.
Very special challenges in veryspecial ways and became a
special group as a result.
Magic Barclay (17:47):
Terrific.
Now we've just gone all over theplace today, and I love that we
have that ability because it'sjust so much value for the
listeners in this chat, but welove to offer more value and we
really love freebies here,Jason.
So what can you offer thelisteners and where can they
find it?
Jason Skeesick (18:06):
Oh, that's a great question.
Thanks for asking.
I offer a free, it's called allstar AI offer a free course on
chat GPT for coaches,consultants, and solopreneurs.
and that is available at my freegroup for entrepreneurs.
Uh, it's called dynastybuilders, and that's a free
group on Facebook.
Uh, you can find the links tojoin our group, or you can just
find it by searching for dynastybuilders in Facebook.
(18:29):
Uh, but that link is alsoavailable at my personal
profile, as well as myInstagram, my LinkedIn
everywhere.
Magic Barclay (18:35):
Wonderful.
And you can also find Jason atwww.
spearandclover.
com Jason, thanks for joining ustoday.
Jason Skeesick (18:46):
Thank you so much for having me, Magic.
This has been a lot of fun.
Magic Barclay (18:50):
It has.
And listeners, thank you forjoining me today.
Don't forget to review, like,share, and subscribe to this
podcast.
But for now, go forth and createyour magical life.
Welcome back to a magical life.
I'm your host, Magic Barclay,and today Jason Skisik joins us.
is a U S army veteran, a coach,and an entrepreneurial
evangelist.
He is a father, husband,fighter, and carrier of heavy
things.
His company, Spear and Clover,helps businesses with passionate
(01:05):
leaders, talented teams, andstrong playbooks to go from
contenders to dynastyorganizations.
He leads the Spear and CloverMastermind, which is a large
group of like mindedentrepreneurs.
United in helping one anotherimpact the world with their
unique missions.
You can find Jason hosting theweekly Spear and Clover podcast
(01:29):
available on YouTube and acrossall audio platforms.
Welcome Jason.
Jason Skeesick (01:35):
Oh, magic.
Thank you so much for thatglowing welcome, as well as
having me on your show andsharing your audience with me
today, I appreciate the chanceto get to talk to you.
Magic Barclay (01:44):
My absolute pleasure to have you here.
Now, I ask everyone the samethree questions and do you know
what?
The answers are so diverse.
It's.
Pretty cool, actually.
And here comes your first one.
What can your expertise do toaccelerate health, not just
physical, but also emotional andspiritual health?
Jason Skeesick (02:08):
Oh, that's a great question.
I would say, first and foremost,turn up the volume on health.
And, and I think that's becausemy philosophy has always been
that, To start with somethingthat you love to do, I've always
felt like I get to play sportsor I get to go on a ruck march
or I get to go do jujitsu orCrossFit or any of the things
that I do for my healthylifestyle.
(02:30):
and so because of that, it neverfeels like it's a chore.
and then from that domino.
Um, nutrition and recovery and,and, you know, healthy living as
far as, you know, alcohol or, orsugary foods is concerned, it's
just a natural flow of someonewho is excited to do better and
better at the thing that he, orshe enjoys to do.
Um, and so for starters, itwould be, to be able to do, I
(02:52):
just am able to do so much morephysically and, and prepare
myself so much better withnutrition and recovery and,
diet, as a result Of the passionthat I carry for the things that
I do.
and then of certain, certainlythere's other stuff as well, but
that's probably the first thingthat comes to mind.
Magic Barclay (03:08):
Terrific.
Now our second standard questionis around wealth.
Many people think that's justthe finances, just the money,
but wealth can also be personaland emotional.
So what are your top three tipsto creating wealth of any kind?
Jason Skeesick (03:25):
Oh, what a great question.
You're asking the right person.
Um, I believe that I retired in2018.
and that was the last time thatI did anything for money that I
didn't want to do.
I have very intentionally builtbusinesses around tribes, and
built businesses around thingsthat I really enjoy doing.
Uh, but even when I was anemployee, I always pursued those
(03:46):
jobs where I was a little bitexcited, if not a lot excited
about what I was doing, aboutwho I was working with.
and so because of that, mymother would tell you that I was
calling her on the phone fromIraq as a deployed us army
soldier, telling her that I washaving the time of my life.
And at the time magic, uh, wewere digging holes in the desert
12 hours a day, seven days aweek.
(04:06):
Um, but I, I felt like I wasgetting in shape.
I was meeting and developingthese great relationships.
I got to have, you know, thisterrific food and, uh, was, was
very focused on this mission.
And so because of that, youknow, I was able to find, you
know, a very, I've always beenable to find a very positive.
You know, situation out ofwherever I find myself with as
far as creating wealth.
I think the, you know, as abusiness coach, um, the thing
(04:27):
that I would tell anentrepreneur or anybody is to
spend time and focus on pursuingassets, whether it's buying them
or building them as anentrepreneur.
And those assets should haveresidual results for you.
In other words, I think mostpeople spend their lives
pursuing linear results.
you know, I do one thing and onething happens if I stop doing
(04:49):
it, nothing happens.
Um, but entrepreneurs and peoplethat are wealthy in general
understand that whether it'sinvesting in, you know,
financial assets or buildingbusiness assets, or, you know,
even as a craftsman building,assets, that way.
you can get residual resultsthat go on and on that way.
And that I think is, is the sortof the second hallmark of
(05:10):
wealth.
Magic Barclay (05:11):
And our final standard question is around
weight loss.
Many people battle their weightquite needlessly.
We know that stress is a majorfactor here.
And so have you ever battledyour weight?
If so, how did you win the war?
And what can you offer thelisteners who might be on this
journey, particularly theentrepreneurs, the.
(05:34):
Survivors, the warriors who kindof take on so much load and
stress is really part of theirday.
Jason Skeesick (05:43):
Yeah, I think, the biggest thing there is
consistency.
you know, I think it's, it'sreally hard to find somebody who
goes to the gym every singleday, and eats right.
That's.
Maybe they're overweight by somestandards, but those people are
typically very happy andthere's, there's, you know,
chemical and hormonal reasonsfor that.
And so I would say consistencyis king, and that leads me back
(06:05):
to my first point earlier, whichis it's so, so, so much easier
to be consistent, when you enjoywhat you're doing, when you're
doing what you're doing with acollective, Group of other
people that are working hardtowards the same goals.
Uh, my good friend, coach RobinLalonde, from Chicago as well,
has this saying collectiveelective suffering.
And so I just think, I believestrongly in this idea of like
(06:27):
minded people getting togetherin a group, not with headphones
on, not on a treadmill andelecting to suffer together
through something that'schallenging.
and that very, very much.
inspires camaraderie andinspires a feeling of
accomplishment.
and it also leads to,consistency, mental and physical
wellbeing.
and then, you know, your bodyweight or your, your body
(06:49):
composition, you know, obviouslywe'll, we'll follow that.
and then of course, if, ifthat's not the case, then
certainly there are things like,you know, You know, hormone
balancing and, and, anddifferent types of diets that
can be considered.
But you know, in my experience,so many people think that
they're the special case when infact they're probably just in
need of consistent collectiveelective suffering.
Magic Barclay (07:12):
Great.
We've already covered so muchhere, but now I really want to
open the floor to you, Jason.
What are some things that youfind yourself talking about now,
just for the listeners to giveyou an update, we were just
chatting off air.
Jason has done so much fitness,entrepreneurship, the U S
(07:32):
military health, like there'sjust so much, but what are some
key things, Jason, thatlisteners from any walks of life
could benefit from hearingtoday?
Jason Skeesick (07:44):
Yeah, that's a great question, Magic.
I think, um, I think really whatit all boils down to is
everything that I've done, uh,has been in service of, of this
idea of tribe or team, dependingon, uh, what it was, whether
it's, you know, as a young man,you know, skateboarding or
playing sports, in a collectionor hanging out with kids on the
block.
(08:04):
you know, it was always, for me,I always Got energy.
I came home with more energywhen I was doing things with a
group, uh, and working towardsthose things.
And so, uh, that carried me intothe military.
I think that's an obviousextension of that.
Um, I got a degree in financeand became a banker for one of
the bigger banks in the world.
And the thing that I loved aboutmy time there was the
(08:26):
camaraderie and the culture andfeeling like I was a part of, of
this.
fortress balance sheetorganization.
And, uh, you know, obviouslystarting and growing a CrossFit
gym with two friends from, fromnothing to, you know, over 500
members at one point, was a hugeaccomplishment, but really the
driving force was, you know,what can I do today to help my
(08:47):
tribe tomorrow?
and so for me, that has beenreally the, uh, true magnetic
north for, for me on my compass,most of my whole life.
closely followed by the topicsand the, the directions that
I've chosen to pursue are justthose things that I love, those
things that I've always enjoyed.
You know, I've already kind oftouched on this, but when I was
(09:07):
young.
I liked clothes.
I worked at the mall.
I liked snowboarding.
I worked at the snowboardinghill.
I liked pool and poker.
I worked at a casino and a poolhall, you know, and, and with
the exception of the military,that's been, you know, every
single job that I've ever had.
Magic Barclay (09:21):
So some of our listeners are entrepreneurs,
some are moms, some are dads,you know, some might be working
for the man, like who knowswhere they're from, but everyone
has, I guess, One ideal, andthat is to succeed, to progress,
to move forward.
What does that look like for youand for the coaches that you
(09:44):
work with?
Jason Skeesick (09:45):
great question.
I would say that, um, just likeanything, there's always a way
to improve because in any givensystem, there's always a speed
limit.
And that's the one thing that iscurrently stopping it from going
faster or better or growing orwhatever the, chosen adjective
would be, and if you payattention, it's actually usually
pretty obvious.
and I think unfortunately, somany of us, particularly
(10:08):
entrepreneurs, have it set inour mind that things should be a
certain way.
and so we, we miss those redflags of the speed limit that
actually is standing in our way.
And so.
The two things that I would giveadvice to somebody that wants to
pursue growth, whether it's intheir personal life, their
physical fitness, their, their,you know, body fat composition,
or, or at work or owning abusiness, it's to actually set
(10:32):
aside your preconceived notions.
You know, beliefs and your, youknow, your theory, um, put your
ego down and really look asobjectively as you can, or, you
know, use a coach to help youwith this, uh, to identify what
it is.
That's the one thing that youshould be working on removing
that will increase yourhypothetical speed limit.
Magic Barclay (10:52):
Okay, tell us about Spear and Clover.
What is the company?
What do you do?
How do you help people with it?
Jason Skeesick (11:00):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So I'll start by saying what isthe Spear and Clover.
So the Spear and Clover is apersonal symbol that's based on
two of my core values.
Um, and so as I've mentioned acouple of times, I go.
around, I live in the, Indianadunes national park here in
Indiana, outside of Chicago.
and every week I go on a ruckmarch with my two Australian
shepherds.
and one week I was going 11miles with a 40 pound pack on my
(11:23):
back and a 40 pound log on myshoulder.
and I'm laser focused on going11 miles without putting any of
this weight down.
and I'm head up feet moving, anda military mindset, which is one
of my core values and my dogsare having the time of their
life, they're running out intothe woods and then they're
circling back to check on me andthen they're running out into
the woods and they're circlingback to check on me.
(11:44):
And at, and that instant, I justrealized that at my best, I'm
not just laser focused militarymindset on achieving my goal or
task at hand, but I'm alsospirit of the puppy.
I'm having fun.
I'm taking time to enjoy whatwe're doing.
I'm trying new things.
I'm excited to be here.
And that's the spirit of what Ilike to bring to my work with
(12:04):
entrepreneurs, uh, with mymastermind, the spirit and
Clover mastermind.
we have a free Facebook groupwhere I engage with, with folks
called dynasty builders, andacross all of them is this idea
of pursuing undeniability andscale, but trying to make sure
that we're using our passionand, and our, and our sense of
fun as sort of a guide towardsthat.
(12:25):
Um, and so that's always beenvery important to me and for the
folks that I'm the best able tohelp.
It's also become important forthem.
Magic Barclay (12:32):
Great.
Now, Jason, what are some thingsthat we haven't touched on that
maybe.
They might be agitating topeople, maybe they might just be
a pleasant shake up.
What are some things that reallyare missing from, I guess, our
(12:53):
conversations and our, groupdynamics these days?
Jason Skeesick (12:59):
You know, that's a great question, Magic.
And I'm not sure if I'll be ableto pull anything crazy out of
the hat here.
I think, I think the, the bottomline is.
You know, regardless of ifyou're talking about your,
relationships, your bodycomposition, your fitness
regime, your nutrition, yourbusiness, your job, your
relationship with your parentsor your children, I really do
(13:19):
strongly believe that for themost part, we know exactly
what's going on.
what we should be doing, and weknow exactly what we're doing
that's holding us back.
I think that, that's wherepeople get this feeling of
shame, or this feeling of notwanting to talk about things, or
not wanting to address thingshead on, or, or trying to take
shortcuts.
And I think, I think ultimately,we all know that, you know,
(13:41):
those things, if addressed,would get us where we want to
go, it's, it's probably the, theone thing you probably don't
want to do is probably the thingthat will get you where you want
to go.
And so, you know, I would justchallenge anybody who, who
doesn't agree with that to, youknow, obviously, there's
certainly space here, but, I'vejust seen it play out far too
many times.
I can tell you right now that,in my career, I have been
(14:02):
progressively more successfulfinancially and more successful,
in the respect of my peers andthe people that I serve.
and it's been easier technicallyto build each subsequent
business, but it has beenexponentially harder.
unlike an emotional and a mentallevel, I've had to think more
clearly and more deeply.
(14:23):
I've had to challenge myselffrom good enough to throw that
away to try and make thingsgreat.
and I think that this is thejourney of life.
I think that, as we walk downthis path, inevitably to,
towards our own demise, themoment that we stop.
Trying to improve or put downour previously held things and
(14:43):
pick up new ideas or new methodsor improved things, uh, is the
moment that we start to decay.
And, and so I think that for themost part that, you know, as
long as you are always lookingfor.
Maybe I'll rephrase this asthis.
My life got a lot better when Istopped trying to win arguments
and I started to try and findmyself on the side of the truth.
(15:03):
I found that I was ending upstanding shoulder to shoulder
with so many more people afterconversations, and I found that
I was able to make morefinancial gains, more personal
gains, and also, develop a muchbetter relationships with the
folks that I, that I deal with.
By, by, instead of seeking,being right, seeking, finding
the correct answers.
Magic Barclay (15:24):
I think that's a really great distinction, not
seeking being right, finding theanswers.
I think much of our worldwidecommunity in modern times, we
all want to be right.
We want to be heard.
You know, we want to beaddressed correctly in our
(15:45):
minds.
We want, we want, we want.
but we're not really seekingremedy that helps our community,
helps our family, you know,helps the world community.
So what are some things that youlearned, particularly from the
army that you've used to thisday that help find that remedy
(16:06):
for community?
Jason Skeesick (16:08):
Well, the army was a totally polar opposite to
how I've built any other tribein the businesses that I've been
involved in is either the leaderof or as a part of the tribe.
and that is in the military.
I found myself particularly inIraq.
I found myself on a mission thatI didn't choose.
I was not able to quit even if Ihad wanted to without very stiff
(16:29):
repercussions.
I was doing work that I had noreal interest in, with people
that I didn't pick.
And, and I'll be honest withyou, Magic, a lot of them I
didn't get along with,particularly in the beginning,
and they didn't get along withme.
And so to be honest with you, Ithink it showed me that You
know, you read books like tribeor the struggle is the way, and
you see that this is a longhistory in human culture of, you
(16:50):
know, small tribes of peoplethat are united by very
difficult things that take themthrough a group transformation.
and this is why I've identifiedso strongly with things like
CrossFit, or jujitsu, you know,fortunately for me, I, I love
doing those things, um, butthey're very difficult.
and so.
Yeah, I think the things thatI've learned from the military
were that in fact, I could findhappiness and joy and excitement
(17:14):
in just terrible places andcircumstances with people that I
would have never spent time withon by choice.
and, you know, candidly, I thinksome people say that they've,
you know, stayed in touch withforever and their brothers
afterwards.
And I would say we're definitelybrothers, but we haven't.
Stayed in touch as much as whatI think people often claim and
that's okay too.
(17:34):
Uh, but that time, that, thatmoment in time that I was there
with those people, you know, weovercame very.
Very special challenges in veryspecial ways and became a
special group as a result.
Magic Barclay (17:47):
Terrific.
Now we've just gone all over theplace today, and I love that we
have that ability because it'sjust so much value for the
listeners in this chat, but welove to offer more value and we
really love freebies here,Jason.
So what can you offer thelisteners and where can they
find it?
Jason Skeesick (18:06):
Oh, that's a great question.
Thanks for asking.
I offer a free, it's called allstar AI offer a free course on
chat GPT for coaches,consultants, and solopreneurs.
and that is available at my freegroup for entrepreneurs.
Uh, it's called dynastybuilders, and that's a free
group on Facebook.
Uh, you can find the links tojoin our group, or you can just
find it by searching for dynastybuilders in Facebook.
(18:29):
Uh, but that link is alsoavailable at my personal
profile, as well as myInstagram, my LinkedIn
everywhere.
Magic Barclay (18:35):
Wonderful.
And you can also find Jason atwww.
spearandclover.
com Jason, thanks for joining ustoday.
Jason Skeesick (18:46):
Thank you so much for having me, Magic.
This has been a lot of fun.
Magic Barclay (18:50):
It has.
And listeners, thank you forjoining me today.
Don't forget to review, like,share, and subscribe to this
podcast.
But for now, go forth and createyour magical life.
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