August 10, 2023 • 47 mins
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In this podcast replay, we welcome Dr. Jean-Baptiste, also known as Dr. JB or "theMetaverseDoc", a board-certified emergency medicine physician and the CEO of Hope4Med. Dr. JB shares her insights on burnout, its misconceptions, and how to combat it. She also discusses her work in the Metaverse and how it can be used for connection and wellness. She introduces the ABCs of treating and preventing burnout: Acknowledge the symptoms, set Boundaries, and practice self-care. The episode concludes with an audience Q&A, where Dr. JB further elaborates on the cyclical nature of burnout and the importance of vigilance in managing it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But welcome to today's podcast replay from the
Killer Bee Studios.
Let's go ahead and dive on in.
Hey everybody, thanks forjoining us tonight here at
Killer Bee Studios.
We're so excited.
Look at everybody, it's here.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
This is awesome Hello everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is awesome man, the topic tonight.
We have a guest that's joinedus.
I'm not going to try topronounce her real name, but
we're going to call her Dr JB.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I can tell, I can tell her real name.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You can tell.
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Dr.
Okay, now I'm nervous a little.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I shouldn't have said that.
Okay, Dr.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Jean Baptiste, that's her name, dr Jean.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Baptiste.
I would never have gotten that.
I would never have gotten that.
Okay, well, we gave you anapplause, but I probably
shouldn't have yet, because wedon't know if it's right.
But we're going to fact, checkyou in just a second.
We can call her Dr JB.
Her Oculus name is theMetaverse Doctor.
Now, she's going to be joiningus tonight.
She's the CEO of Hope for Medand she's going to be talking to
us about combating burnout.
(00:56):
Now I would love to know, withsome rain of confetti here, how
many of you have ever struggledwith burnout before?
Yeah, yeah, okay, yep, okay.
You guys can relate to thisWell.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I thought this was good for us.
Seems like we should beconfetti about that, right.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Confetti about burnout Woo.
I don't want to wait any longerbecause I know this is going to
be a great topic, but you guys,please know remember, if you
guys have questions, come up andclick those QA buttons.
Right there there's kiosk andwe're going to bring you up
during a live Q&A time and we'llbring you up and then also
we're going to do a contest togive away some points.
So with that can we go aheadand cue the guest intro and you
guys please welcome her withsome confetti.
(01:31):
Welcome out, dr JB to theKiller B Studios.
Hey doctor, welcome, hieverybody.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I just had that song just come my head, dr, dr, you
are Giving you the news I got abad case.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Bad case.
It doesn't make you.
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, I'm glad you're looking at me when you're
singing that.
You know she is my wife, soit's okay, right, it's all right
.
Thank you for joining ustonight.
Dr JB, tell us a little bitabout you and who you are in
your background, all right, well, perfect.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Well, I again am so excited to be here with you guys
and spend some time and talkabout a really important topic.
So again, my name is DrJean-Baptiste.
I am a doctor in real life.
So, like, by day I'm a doc, youknow.
By night I'm hanging out withyou guys in the metaverse, I'm a
board certified emergencymedicine doctor and I live here
in Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
At first, I'd like to ask you what is burnout?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
You know there actually is a definition for
burnout, and so you can actuallydefine it and see how many of
these boxes you check off.
According to the World HealthOrganization, the ICD-11, they
define burnout as anoccupational phenomenon, right,
(02:50):
and it encompasses three things.
One is increased fatigue, soyou're just feeling tired and
you know, just really, you know,worn out.
All the time when you thinkabout work you're like, oh my
gosh, you know, I don't know ifyou guys have ever felt
something similar Anybody.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Anybody, anybody, yeah right, oh everybody, it
turns out.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
And then another one is you start feeling really
cynical about your job right andabout the work that you're
doing because anybody feltsimilar, yep, right.
And then the third piece of itis.
Then you find that you're lessefficacious right Things that
(03:39):
you know when you first startedoops, sorry, something fell.
So things when you firststarted that you're able to do
relatively quickly is justtaking you longer and longer to
do it, and you don't understandwhy right, dr JB, that word used
.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That was a big word.
I'm not a big word person, socan you explain to me like?
What does that mean?
Like the ethicist?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Effecatist, so you're just not as efficient.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
I'm not, you know, in doing things right, yes.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
That's the third part.
And once you are like, okay,yes, I'm tired, I'm getting
those you know Monday jitterswhere you start feeling
palpitations and anxious andsweating about oh my gosh, work
is tomorrow, you know there'snot enough time or hours between
(04:30):
now when I have to go back intowork.
You know, when you start, youknow really just griping about
your job and you find thatyou're not as efficient as you
used to be.
You know those three things,you know, encompass burnout, and
so you are experiencing burnout.
My company, hope for Med, isfocused on healthcare
(04:51):
professionals and reallycreating a peer-to-peer support
group for them, using technologyright and the possibilities
that exist when you combinetechnology with wellness, and so
hence why, you know, I go bythe Metaverse stock because I am
very much gun hoe on theMetaverse and the possibilities
(05:13):
the Metaverse has in terms of,you know, really allowing people
to connect regardless of wherethey are in the world, and the
conveniences that the Metaverseoffers this seems like your kind
of like your first experiencein Horizon Worlds really on this
platform, correct, that's true?
Yes, and the thing that I'vebeen using for my community is
(05:36):
another Metaverse platformthat's not Horizon Worlds and
there I held an event calledWellness in the Metaverse and it
was a day long event where Ihad seven speakers all talking
about a different dimension ofwellness, and they were from,
you know, not all over the US,but all over the world.
I had people from Spain, andyou know, and Uganda and London,
(06:00):
you know, and, of course, allthe states all in attendance and
that is a possibility of theMetaverse, and I absolutely love
it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and that is like we've met so many people in
here that come to the studio.
That's from the UK, you know.
They're from all differentplaces in the world Canada, a
lot of people from Canada.
What is the platform thatyou've been using in the
Metaverse?
I'm just curious to know too.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
So platform I've used is called Vrbella, vrbella,
okay.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yep, I've heard of that.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
And the reason so, with my introduction to the
Metaverse, you know, my goal isto really connect with
healthcare professionals fromthroughout the entire world, and
when we think about the world,right, we think about you know
what are some things that wouldprevent somebody from engaging.
And we think about cost andthese Oculus headsets are
(06:50):
expensive, yeah.
And so when I was looking for aplatform to really grow my
community in, I wanted one wherewe didn't have to wear Oculus,
you know, where all you neededwas a computer, a laptop, a
keyboard and a mouse, and soVrbella really met those
(07:11):
requirements for me, so thatmore people could engage.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And we know that that's coming here right We've
seen the articles we know it'scoming, so that's going to be
really exciting.
Yeah, it's going to be superexciting.
Well, thank you for sharingthat.
It gives us a little bit moreinsight, too, behind you and
where your heart is, too.
What are some of themisconceptions about burnout?
Speaker 5 (07:35):
The biggest misconception that I've come
across is that, you know, if Idare utter that I might maybe be
experiencing symptoms ofburnout, then there's something
inherently wrong with me, and Ithink that is one of the biggest
(07:55):
misconceptions that I really,really want to make people aware
of.
Right, yeah, you know it's whenyou have, you know, stress,
uncontrolled stress that's notbeen well managed.
Right, and you know it's anoccupational phenomenon, but,
honestly, it doesn't stay inyour job, right, yeah?
(08:17):
So how many people you knowhave found that they continue
experiencing these symptoms athome?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I have definitely With their friends
and their loved ones right.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
And so, although the WHO does define it as an
occupational phenomenon but itdoesn't just stay at your job so
miraculously.
When you leave, you close thosedoors.
All of a sudden, you're feelinggreat, like you're your normal
self.
You have all the energy in theworld to do, you know whatever
you need to do.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah you carry it with you, right, it doesn't just
stay at the job.
That's a really important thingto acknowledge.
And I guess, like when I thinkabout burnout, I've struggled
with burnout and a lot of timesI put myself in those situations
and I got to ask myself likewell, why am I trying to do so
much?
What's the real purpose behindthat?
Is it's not healthy for me?
(09:14):
And can burnout be kind of likea?
Maybe it's like a Almost, likeyour body is giving you like a
warning, like hey, you need toslow down, like something's not
right.
Yeah, what's your thoughts onthat?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, you know, I I consider it like a roller
coaster, right, you have gooddays, you have bad days, right.
But once you know, cuz theroller coaster, you go up and
you go down, and you go up andyou go down, right.
But when you find yourselfstaying down for a long, period
of time, right, that's when youreally need to start getting
(09:50):
concerned, right?
Because when we think aboutlife, life isn't rosy all the
time.
Oh yeah, right, yeah, andthat's just a reality of things,
right, we're all gonna havegood days, we're all gonna have
bad days.
We're all gonna be excited,we're all gonna be sad, you know
, at some point, yeah, right,yeah.
But once we, when we startfinding ourselves staying at
(10:15):
this low level, then you need tolisten to your yourself.
It's not all in your mind, it'snot all in your brain, you know
there's definitely somethinghappening and you need to wake
up and try to make some changes.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So is part of what you do Like to help people learn
how to deal with their stressand healthy ways.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah what are?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
some of those ways like if you, if you, you know,
if you're helping people, kindof how to how to deal with that.
What are some of those, thosetechniques or things that we
should be thinking about?
Sydney?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
so again, I'm an emergency room doctor and we go
by acronyms in the ER, and Someof you guys may be familiar with
ABCs, right?
Remember, we all learned thatwhen we were in elementary
school.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, Mrs Killer B just said she didn't and I know
she was in charge ofhomeschooling and my son just
graduated last year and I'mgetting very concerned.
Arcane, you know your ABCs?
I did not teach him thealphabet?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I thought it was you know outdated, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
We're not doing it?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No, I thought I.
Did shake my head.
No, because I thought she wasasking if we knew the acronym
that they use in the ER.
I was like, oh, I don't, I'venever heard it, I don't know.
But yes, the classic ABCs, youknow, I've heard of those here
and there.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Everybody, please, let's do some confetti that my
son knows his ABCs at 19.
So, yes, can you explain to usthe acronym?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah.
So you know, in the medicalsense, when we think about ABCs,
we think about Erie.
I mean airway, breathing andcirculation.
Those are the three things andthose are foundational, right.
And so when we think about thefoundational steps in terms of
Treating and preventing symptomsof burnout, I revert back to
(12:19):
the ABCs.
And so you know, with myacronym a, a stands for
acknowledge, right.
And so you know, see how manyof those, those boxes that you,
you check off in terms ofdefinition of burnout, right,
yeah.
And you know, if you find thatyou're checking them all off, or
you know parts of them off, orwhatnot, what not, you know
(12:40):
you're still experiencing, youknow symptoms of of burnout,
right.
So acknowledge that, becomeaware of that right.
Then B which is something thatyou know I personally have
struggled with, is that's ourfavorite letter to Now you got
(13:04):
me all distracted.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm gonna get the wall wall buttons.
That really, really distractedme.
Get that this button.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Remember it's like this is the couch cushion, so I
can't get to it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
So we said a awareness, acknowledge you know
that you're going throughsymptoms of burnout.
And then B is boundaries.
Struggles with settingboundaries yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I wish I didn't have to say yes.
You definitely need to say yes,you definitely, and I do too,
like I think you know, I thinkthat is boundary.
Is it hard for us to setboundaries?
Because we have a lot of people, have a heart, they want to
help.
Yeah.
I think, that I think that's abig thing for Mrs Killer B, for
sure I know.
Knowing her personally, I knowher heart is to help as many
(13:53):
people and so it's harder forher set boundaries, I would say.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I do.
I have a very hard time withboundaries.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I'm trying to do better and then I just, you know
fall off the wagon the key wassetting boundaries and Learning
the art I call it an art ofsaying no, mm-hmm.
Yeah, I know those two lettersare some of the most difficult
things for us to say yeah.
(14:21):
Yeah however, you know, whenwe're thinking about boundary
setting, we're thinking aboutourselves right and Self-care
for us, because there's only 24hours in the day.
I and when you say no to X,you're saying yes to Y.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, we've been talking about that so much
lately.
That is so interesting that youjust said that, because that's
come up for us lately, where youknow you might be saying yes
and yes and yes, and you don'trealize that what you're
actually saying no to is thethings that are most important
(15:06):
to you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And then we have the C and I know how meta voice has
got a question.
Let's bring it.
Let's bring it before we get tosee.
Let's bring up some questions.
Let's go ahead and bring upmeta voice.
Come on up.
Welcome, meta voice.
Thanks for joining us, hi, mrKiller.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
B the metaverse doc and Mrs Killer B.
It's always a pleasure speakingto you.
Well, I was just talking tosome of those out there and they
all had a question and aunanimous about burnout.
You know, it seems that nomatter.
You know, when you have burnout, you recognize you have burnout
, but you think about thesethings you need to accomplish
(15:47):
and get organized to stop beingso burnt out.
But when you then accomplishthese things and you find that
those weren't the things thatwere making you burnt out in the
first place, you still don'thave the energy.
How do you get out of that rut?
And then, when you have alittle bit of energy, it's like
you wasted all at once becauseyou're so excited you have any
and you're burnout all overagain.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh my gosh, that's so true, that's good.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yes, it's cyclical, and so that's why these ABCs
that we're going over will helpyou recover from burnout, as
well as help you prevent burnout, by focusing on these
foundational letters.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
That's good so basically, if I just go back and
be quiet and listen to what youhave, to say I'll learn about
the answer to my question in themost polite of ways Correct.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I mean you're so perceptive.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It's true, I'm married.
No, no, that's not what I meantat all, but you know, but it's,
it's so rampant, right.
Like you know, these symptomsof burnout, they transcend all
fields, and you know, and wedon't talk about it all that
(17:01):
often, and that's why it'sreally important for us to be
able to have settings andsituations like this where we
can really talk, right and youknow, connect with each other
and find out, you know what'sworked for you, you know and
what's worked for me, and try toincorporate different things
and see what, what works.
(17:23):
But it's definitely somethingyou have to stay really vigilant
on because, yes, you will justget burnt out again and again,
and again.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You know, and I can tell you like one of the things
as a business and one of thethings that I've tried to that's
helped me, and it took me likeover over six months to get this
with the business.
What was our purpose Like?
What was our purpose statementas a business?
Well so and you can do thiswith yourself too individually
but what is what is?
What is my real purpose as thebusiness?
And so we came up with apurpose statement and in our so
(17:55):
we have that purpose statement.
But anything that comes in, alot of things come in and we
want to, we want to take thework and we want to help those
people because, like those, wewant to help as many people as
we can.
But then we started realizinglike we have to run all these
things through our purposestatement because if it doesn't
go through our purpose statementand it passed and that that
means it's aligned with us,we're going to burn ourselves
out doing a lot of work forpeople that aren't aligned with
(18:16):
the same purpose as our purposestatement.
So we'd rather work with peoplethat align with that purpose
statement and keep our yeses tothose that are more in line in
our nose to the ones that youknow.
It's just you can get yourstuff caught up doing a lot of
busy work and lose focus of that.
That's one thing that I'vethat's helped us.
But those three letters, aawareness, correct, yes.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
B is what was it.
Boundaries, boundaries.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
B that's a big thing, boundaries and C I don't think
we've even gotten C yet.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
We have not gotten C yet.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah that's continued .
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Yeah, let's go ahead and get to C, but before we do,
thank you so much again forbeing here.
It's very much appreciated toeveryone in the audience and
more.
I'm going to go back, sit down,shut up and maybe learn my ABC.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Thanks, meta voice.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
We have some more questions, but let's go ahead
and get to C and then we'llbring in people for the
questions yeah, C and thenquestions.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I think so, and C is what you guys have created here
you know the importance ofcommunity, Community and be part
of a community to reallysupport you through this journey
.
Because you can't do it alone,and you're not alone in this at
all.
You know, the surgeon generalsaid that there's an epidemic of
(19:31):
loneliness happening currentlythroughout the US, and you know,
I did my residency in New YorkCity.
New York City is one of theloneliest places in the world,
but you're surrounded by so manypeople.
Yeah, so how is it possiblethat you can be surrounded by so
many people?
You know you're on the trainand there's, you know, standing
(19:53):
room only, but yet you feel soalone.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know, I noticed it before COVID but then really
markedly after COVID how littlepeople want to talk to each
other.
You know, and I'm kind of likethe type of person that like
wants to talk to people in thegrocery store, and I can see
fear in people's eyes when Italk to them and you know, I can
(20:20):
see how that leads to youleading such an isolated life.
You know, if you're not willingto take the chance to talk to
somebody, you know yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
That's absolutely right and you know.
But the amazing thing about themetaverse right is it allows
you an opportunity to unmaskyourself you know, in many ways
right and really allow yourheart to connect with others
(20:58):
right.
Because it's not about rubbingelbows, you know, but it's about
connecting on a deeper level,yeah, and so finding that
community where you are able todo that, and if one doesn't
exist, then create one foryourself.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, absolutely, that's good, I like that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Good, I like that a lot.
All right, let's go ahead andbring up Oki Oki Troker.
Oki Oki.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Oki Oki.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oki, oki, oki Oki, is that right Well?
Speaker 9 (21:33):
the thing is, everyone just calls me Oki.
I'm actually that's my, that'smy TikTok handle as well and
everyone just calls me Oki andone thing one thing you were
talking about pre-COVID, duringCOVID and after COVID.
Pre-covid is when I starteddoing TikTok and everything like
(21:53):
that, and I'm also a truckdriver and I noticed during the
COVID crisis, everyonedisappeared.
No, mcgrana, that was thegreatest moment of my life truck
driving, because nobody was onthe road.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
That was great.
That was great.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
But I did notice and I'm glad I came in today and we
were talking about burnout,because, as someone who puts
myself out there on the internet, where I put my face, my voice,
my comedy out there, I do getburned out.
I run out of ideas, I run outof just.
(22:31):
I do something and it causes my, it causes me to tank views,
t-a-n-k.
Tank on views.
Where I don't get any more isbecause I take a break.
I just step away from the world.
I just sit in my truck.
Now, grant, I'm home every dayand then I've got this.
(22:54):
Now I get away and it helps mewith burnout.
It really does, because onething I learned and my mom hates
it because I've done this sinceI was 18 is I will just quit
talking to people because andthis is how me and my wife's
(23:15):
relationship works Me we don'tsee each other until the
weekends.
She works the night shift, Iwork day shift and then we see
each other on the weekends.
It gives us something to talkabout.
If you go away, just walk away,because you're getting burned
out, because you're seeing thesame people every day.
You're seeing the same personevery day.
Just go away.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, well, space.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
And just no Right.
And that's where boundariescome in.
B the big one.
Boundaries Set you a boundary.
Put everyone outside thatboundary just for a little bit,
not permanently.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
And just go to your own thing for a little bit and
come back with stories, comeback with experience and share
that.
I'm so glad I came in here,meta Voice, and, by the way, I
was like this is a great topic,yeah.
And now I mean what's youropinion?
I mean, is that a healthy thing, just to step away?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
100% it's healthy.
So the S, so it's ABCs with anS you don't know your alphabet.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now I'm sitting there and not.
Yeah, I just asked.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yes, but the ABCs part, the S part, is about
self-care, and that's whatyou're hitting on right.
Because, that's extremelyimportant, right.
So we're aware you know we'resetting up our boundaries, you
know we're finding our community, but we can't, you know, give
to everyone else and not focuson ourselves.
We have to engage in self-care,and there are some foundational
(24:48):
pieces of self-care that youreally need to focus on when
you're really trying to, youknow, kind of get back on your
feet, right.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
And when we think about those foundational pieces,
you know one is these are thebasic, right, Basic things.
Sleep.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yes, how much sleep are you?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
getting.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, that's an S Preach.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Just preach, sister, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
She loves, miss Killer, be loves asleep.
Is there any other letters thatI don't know about ABCS?
I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Well, yeah, abcs and C.
The S part actually is anotheracronym, which is S-E-E, so we
talked about sleep, oh, there'smore the other two things, yeah
right.
I mean, in the world ofmedicine there's nothing but
acronyms.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
But yeah, the other two are really.
Again, these are foundationalbuilding blocks.
When we think about self care,we talked about sleep.
The amount of sleep you shouldget every night is between seven
and nine hours.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Or like 10, right or more.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, you're just a good buddy and thumbs up now.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
The E is eat right.
What are you eating?
You know, are you eating a diet, that is, that has a lot of
nutritional value and whatnotyou?
Know, lots of green leafyvegetables et cetera.
We could talk about that morelater or another date, and then
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the last E is exercise.
So those are the foundationalfactors in terms of really
helping you to really combatsymptoms of burnout.
That's it.
No more normal letters.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I've got to learn my whole alphabet all over again.
Lady Hawk, come on up.
Come on up, Lady Hawk.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
Hello, how are you doing?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I was going to go back to where you said, that we
had to learn to say no.
I remember you guys probablydon't believe it, but many years
ago I used to be shy and Icouldn't say no to anybody what.
And so I had a good friend yeah, I did.
I had a good friend thatnoticed this and they confronted
me and they took me aside andthey said need learn to say no.
And so I whispered it and theysaid no, that's enough.
(27:05):
Well, within the hour they hadme scream and know the top of my
lungs and they said now youknow how to say it, use it.
Well, apparently I use it toomuch because I don't get
intimidated very easily, but ithad someone pull me aside and
let me know, because I didn'treally know I could say no.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, exactly I felt obligated.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I had to please people.
I was scared of everybody, andso I'm glad that one person
pulled me aside and said I wasallowed to, and so I'm glad you
bring that up, saying that we'reallowed to say no, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's powerful really.
Yeah, because as much troubleas I have now about setting
boundaries.
I used to be way worse and tothe point where I was neglecting
my family and I was doingthings and doing things and, you
know, one day it was Brianactually who said to me.
He said you know, you're nevereven home to make dinner anymore
(27:57):
.
And it just hit me like a tonof bricks.
I didn't even realize that Ihad gotten to the point where I
was saying yes to all theseother people and saying no to my
family.
And so, yeah, that's a reallywhat a blessing that that person
pulled you aside and waswilling to say that to you.
You know they saw where it wastaking you and that it wasn't a
(28:17):
healthy place.
So God bless that person, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Yes, you know, and along those lines, like what I
really, really love and, youknow, would strongly encourage
everyone here.
If you have struggled the pastin terms of creating boundaries
like we all have me too that'sone of my, you know, biggest
areas of struggle is rememberingthat by saying no, you're
saying yes to something, and sowhat I recommend people do is
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make a list of what are all thethings you could possibly, you
know, say no to and what are thethings you could be saying yes
to instead.
We mentioned time with yourfamily, right, you know.
Time off right, like a day offvacation, staycation, right.
There's so many things that youcould be saying yes to.
And do you really need to sayyes to, you know, more work at
(29:07):
your job, and if you don't sayyes to something that really
helps you and your loved onesand your self care?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
That's good, good, good.
Thank you, lady Hawk.
All right, let's bring up.
I think I got three more peopleon the Q and A.
Let's go and bring up Cils.
Cils, come on up and then nextI'll let you guys know who we're
going to bring up.
Next we're going to bring upEpic, and actually we have Epic,
godman and Meta voice again.
So go ahead, zils, go rightahead.
(29:34):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Good to be here, thank you.
Thank you for coming.
It was very interesting.
Like Dean or, I have been in myprofession for 32 years and
experienced burnout numeroustimes.
But I was just wondering do youhave any stats of what
occupations are the ones thatexperience burnout the most?
(29:57):
Who?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Healthcare?
Of course, yes, I would thinkso high stress careers or high
stress occupations are the onesthat experience burnout the most
, because burnout reallyconsists of uncontrolled stress.
So if you're able to controlyour stress, then that limits
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you developing burnout.
But in terms of like, listennumber one, two, three, I don't
have that answer right now foryou.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, well, that does make sense.
I would think, like police, youknow, those kind of things
would probably be ranked.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
But thank you.
Yeah, the police have hugelevels of burnout.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, thank you, zils .
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Also one thing.
I just want to say this superfast, just as a you know, most
of my life have been a stay athome mom and not a career woman,
and even though some peoplemight look at it like, being a
stay at home mom is not anoccupation exactly.
There are very high levels ofburnout in that world as well,
because you never, ever get abreak.
(31:08):
You know, and it's reallyimportant, if you are a stay at
home mom or stay at home dad, tofind ways to set aside time for
yourself so that you can be thebest that you can for your
family, because if you don't,then you just start going on
autopilot and not being the bestfor anybody you know in your
life, and so I just want tothrow that out there.
(31:28):
I know a lot of times duringthese kinds of conversations I
would really start feeling kindof like ashamed of myself or
something that I didn't workoutside the home and I just
wanted to put that out there.
If anyone else is feeling thatway, you know I see you because
it's a super hard job and youknow whether you work outside
the home or whether you don't,you have a whole set of your own
(31:51):
things to deal with, and so,yeah, I just want to say that,
yeah, that's good Epic.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
thank you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Hi, hi, okay, it's my first time here.
Oh, awesome we're welcome.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Thanks for coming, thank you.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
In your opinion, is burnout the result of
procrastination or isprocrastination the result of
burnout?
Because I too, myself, havebeen in a 15 year long career
and, yes, I'm experiencingburnout and I'm finding that I'm
procrastinating more now than Iused to, as metaverse doc said
(32:29):
earlier.
So I'm just wondering in youropinion, is one a result of the
other?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
So I would say that they are related.
But I would say that symptomsof burnout worsen your
procrastination, and so you know, if you're already, you know,
having checking off the boxes ofI'm so tired, why do I want to
do this, like I'd rather go, youknow, do something else.
I'm tired, or, you know, Idon't.
(33:00):
I'm feeling cynical, I don'twant to be at this job, or you
know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
I'm cynical lately, oh my God, yes, like I don't.
I can't even stand myself rightnow, and it's hard right.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
But going back to the a right, it's becoming aware of
how you're feeling and you knowthat you are experiencing these
symptoms, right.
Once we are aware, once weacknowledge that we can do
something about it, we have aname for it, like aha, this is
what I'm going through, this iswhat I'm experiencing, and then
(33:35):
we can start taking the nextsteps to really get out of this.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Do you have an acronym for the next steps?
Like for once, you realize, ok,like I'm experiencing burnout
what you should do next, that'sthe BCS.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
OK, so yes.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I'm a supervisor and told them I'm overworked, I'm
too overwhelmed, so I'm startingthat ball rolling yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm just good.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
I did also want to piggyback on what you said,
because I was a single mother.
My kids are in their 20s now,so success story right here, the
way I would do my time out,because, yes, I would go from
job to kids, job to kids.
Oh, my goodness, never stoppedSleepover parties.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
What else?
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Scheduling sleepover parties so that I would at least
have an evening just to myself,whether it meant sitting on the
couch eating a pint of ice orwatching a scary movie or going
out with my friends, that's howI got my time out, so, yes, good
Advice to parents.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
All right, let's bring up Batman, and then we
have Meta voice and then we'regoing to wrap up the show.
So make sure you guys stay.
We'll play the outro music andthen, as soon as the outro music
starts playing, you guys canall jump up here and we'll grab
a selfie together.
So, batman, come on up.
Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
But yeah, you're talking about burnout and
whatnot.
Like me personally, I'm a gamertype of girl, so I don't like,
as of late, I haven't beenwanting to play Fortnite as much
, so it's like I do it all thetime.
But then it's like I did it forYouTube and it was like my
personal hobby and I just don'twant to upload as much, but I
(35:26):
have forced myself to because Ifeel like I have to.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Can I say one quick thing before you go on to your
expert opinion?
It's something I've beenthinking this whole time while
we've been talking is that weput so much pressure on
ourselves and the expectationsof what we think we have to do.
And something someone saidbefore made me think about how,
(35:55):
like, for instance, like whenwe're sick, you know, so many
people feel like you just haveto pass.
You just have to like get upand do your thing and like go to
work and just power through it.
And what you're saying isreminding me of that is that you
have to take care of yourselfin the way that you know this
thing, that you're doing, thatyou're gaming on Fortnite and
(36:17):
you feel like you have to do it,even if you want to.
You know, I think you need tojust take a little time, take a
little step back and askyourself, like why do I feel
like I have to do this, eventhough I really need a break?
You know like you're pushingyourself too hard.
It sounds like maybe, butanyway, I want to say that
because I was thinking about howwe let the expectations of what
(36:39):
we think we have to do pushourselves too hard to where we
like hurt ourselves really inthe long run or we make
ourselves unhealthy or mentallyor physically.
And I just want to put that outthere, because the reason why I
use the example of being sickis because, for whatever reason,
(37:00):
I don't know why.
So my mom, my whole family, isin the medical field, but my mom
, specifically, was a paramedicfor 30 years.
So if anyone's ever grown uparound a paramedic, you never go
to the doctor because she knewhow to handle everything.
She's like they're just goingto tell you to drink water and
go to sleep, so just do that.
And so we never went to thedoctor.
(37:20):
But I just somehow always knewif I was sick, I just need to
rest, take care of myself, I'mnot going to push myself.
I've always been like that,right, brian?
Like he would be the type wherehe'd be like no, I've got to
work, I'm going to push throughthis, and I would go to bed for
two days and be better.
So like totally for two daysyeah really I really would, I
(37:42):
would knock it out of bed fortwo days.
But I say all that to saysomehow, innately I knew that in
the long run I would be betteroff if I just took care of this
now and then move on.
And I've tried to incorporatethat into other parts of my life
.
And I wanted to bring it upbecause especially American
culture really tells us justhustle, just push through it,
(38:05):
Just don't be a baby, just whiteknuckle it.
And I don't think it's servedus well.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It's so true there's no reason for us to just suck it
up and push through it.
I had a question for you,Batman, and pinging back off of
what Oki Trucker said when wasthe last time you took a
vacation?
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Oh God, I mean like a month ago, it was like three
days, I mean not even close tofamily, but it was for my
grandpa's birthday.
So I went on vacation, buttrying to make something work.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Okay.
So when was the last time youtook a vacation?
Yeah, like a year ago, maybe.
So I think it's absolutelyessential, when we think about
you know, self-care and takingcare of our mental wellness,
that we schedule time forvacations, time to step away,
(39:02):
right, and that allows us torejuvenate, right, to reconnect
with our why and to see if ourwhy has shifted right.
And so you know why are you agamer?
You know why are you doing this.
This is still something thatyou're very passionate about,
that you still really, reallywant to do, and the only way for
you to really have that spaceand that time to really focus on
(39:26):
that is if you step away andtake a vacation.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's good.
So you're not going to do someof the staycation, but just step
away Sure.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
Thank you for asking that,because I think you're really
tapped into something that a lotof people feel, which is, like
we talked about a minute ago,like you feel like you have no
choice, you have to keep going,and you know, it's really a it's
a scary place to be when youfeel like you're trapped, and so
I'm glad you brought that up sowe could talk about that, like,
(40:01):
yeah, really good question.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Thank you so much, bad man, thank you bad man, all
right, all right, let's bring upour last question for the night
.
Meta voice, come on up.
Meta voice, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
Hi again.
Hello, meta, voice I deeplywant to apologize.
I didn't know.
I was see.
I said I was going to go outthere and shut up and sit down,
and I did the complete opposite.
I went out there, ran around,started talking to everybody,
but I used to be that they usedto be like in Europe, I'm out
there, so you couldn't hearsomeone was talking to someone
anymore.
Apparently that could have beenterribly embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, we couldn't hear you.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Yeah, I'm so glad you couldn't because that's the
only ones that matter, I meanthe community matters.
Anyways, my question being well, see, I know I needed to take a
vacation from a lot of that.
I did I nonstop to work on tobecome a voice actor.
I did it by myself, I didn'thave a team and I couldn't
(41:04):
really.
I was like, if I do this, Ijust got to keep going and I was
like, well, now I got to take avacation, but I got scared.
I'm scared to take a vacationbecause what happens if that
turns into a stay vacation and Ididn't mean it to, but it will
because of my procrastination,the anxiety of taking a vacation
and not knowing if you can getback in that groove, Even if
(41:28):
things will be the same if youdid.
It's scary, it really is, youknow, because you never know
what the inevitable is.
If it's a job you've been atfor, say, 15 years and you burnt
out by it, well, you take therisk to find another one that
you might be happy about.
There's a lot of risks involved.
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
There's a lot of risks.
Yeah, I think that one of thethings that I think about
Meta-voices when it comes tobusiness.
I've been there.
I'm going to miss out anopportunity, right, if I slow
down, if I don't do this.
But what I've also learned isthe most important things in my
life If I don't know what mylife is going to be like
tomorrow, I might not even behere.
If I do all this hustle andgrind and I'm focused, focused,
(42:11):
trying to drive this and makethis happen, but I don't spend
time with the people I love andslow down.
If today was my last day, wouldI want that time to be spent
like knowing I slowed down andspent some time with my family,
or that I was trying to push toget to that next level, which
doesn't even matter now.
So that's something that I'vetried to look at in regards to
(42:35):
that, because, when it comesdown to it, I think the fear of
missed opportunity is real, butthe truth is we don't know.
Even during my times of breaksthat I've done, because I share
here Metaverse, doc but I doreflection time every week.
So tomorrow I'll be going outfor two to four hours just
spending time reflecting andpraying and kind of good and
(42:58):
just processing things that'sgoing on in life, business,
health.
But during that time I actuallyeven meet people that actually
end up becoming otheropportunities that I didn't.
It wasn't even chasing, tryingto do Like those people are all
around us, but I would havemissed that opportunity if I
wouldn't have been just takingthat time to unplug.
So I think it's like theunknown.
(43:18):
It's the unknowns, the thingsthat we don't know.
We don't know what happenstomorrow.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
You know Metaverse, what you're saying is making me
think of something too.
So our son, you know, he like,follows certain people on
YouTube and things like that,and he, he's in the booth
somewhere, arcane, if you hearme telling this story and you
want to add, something, pleasecome tell us.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I see the heart, I see the heart came out of the
wall.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh he's our little bee.
Okay.
So he told me about a YouTuberwho was not willing to follow
the algorithm that YouTube waslike putting out there like
posts I forget what they used tosay on YouTube like post every
day or like three times a week,I don't remember Well this
creator in particular.
(44:01):
He would not do it, but becausehis content was so good, he
still ended up being verysuccessful.
And I say that because you needthat time away creatively to
put out your best content, andfor you in particular.
You know, if you were able totake a little time away, you
(44:23):
would be even stronger when youcame back.
And I know it's scary, I know Imean, brian and I have dealt
with this before and it's scaryto think about taking that time
away, but you need it.
You know it's what's best foryou and then when you come back,
you'll be even stronger.
And so I just thought aboutthat and I wanted to share that
with you.
I always thought that was suchan amazing story and you know
(44:44):
our son he's like a little bitof a rebel, so he loved that
story about.
You know, I'm not going tofollow the algorithm, I'm going
to do what's right for me, andso you know, I think it, I think
we all could use a little bitof that in our lives, you know
definitely, definitelyunderstand.
Speaker 8 (44:59):
Well, thank you so much.
Did you have anything to say?
Metaverse doc to the cover itup.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I think they did a fantastic job covering it all.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, I mean license us as doctors.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
We have to go through a couple more acronyms.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
first that's all we need.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
That's it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
No, we want that, that's easier.
Speaker 8 (45:22):
Michigan too.
I got people yeah that's right,yeah, michigan.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Thank you, yes.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Michigan.
Thank you.
Thank you, metaverse, I wouldlove to know.
Dr JB, I just want to say thankyou so much for joining us Like
.
This is great.
This is your first experienceat Horizon World, so what do you
think?
What do you think about it?
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Oh man, I love that.
Thank you guys so much.
It was so wonderful meeting allof you guys.
You guys had such amazingquestions.
You guys are so engaged.
I absolutely love that.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah Well, we really appreciate you coming out.
I always ask all of our guestsas we wrap up, if there's one
thing that you hope people takeaway from today's event, today's
show, what would it be?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
I think the biggest thing is you can always start
now, right Like.
You don't forget aboutyesterday.
You don't have any control overyesterday.
You don't have control overtomorrow, but you do have
control over the present.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
And realizing your power in right, now.
Right, and if you decide that Iwant to make a change in my
life, then there's no bettertime than now to start.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Hey, thanks for tuning in to today's podcast
episode, if you liked today'sepisode.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Go ahead and hit the subscribe button or leave us a
review.
But welcome to today's podcast replay from the
Killer Bee Studios.
Let's go ahead and dive on in.
Hey everybody, thanks forjoining us tonight here at
Killer Bee Studios.
We're so excited.
Look at everybody, it's here.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
This is awesome Hello everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is awesome man, the topic tonight.
We have a guest that's joinedus.
I'm not going to try topronounce her real name, but
we're going to call her Dr JB.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I can tell, I can tell her real name.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You can tell.
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Dr.
Okay, now I'm nervous a little.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I shouldn't have said that.
Okay, Dr.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Jean Baptiste, that's her name, dr Jean.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Baptiste.
I would never have gotten that.
I would never have gotten that.
Okay, well, we gave you anapplause, but I probably
shouldn't have yet, because wedon't know if it's right.
But we're going to fact, checkyou in just a second.
We can call her Dr JB.
Her Oculus name is theMetaverse Doctor.
Now, she's going to be joiningus tonight.
She's the CEO of Hope for Medand she's going to be talking to
us about combating burnout.
(00:56):
Now I would love to know, withsome rain of confetti here, how
many of you have ever struggledwith burnout before?
Yeah, yeah, okay, yep, okay.
You guys can relate to thisWell.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I thought this was good for us.
Seems like we should beconfetti about that, right.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Confetti about burnout Woo.
I don't want to wait any longerbecause I know this is going to
be a great topic, but you guys,please know remember, if you
guys have questions, come up andclick those QA buttons.
Right there there's kiosk andwe're going to bring you up
during a live Q&A time and we'llbring you up and then also
we're going to do a contest togive away some points.
So with that can we go aheadand cue the guest intro and you
guys please welcome her withsome confetti.
(01:31):
Welcome out, dr JB to theKiller B Studios.
Hey doctor, welcome, hieverybody.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I just had that song just come my head, dr, dr, you
are Giving you the news I got abad case.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Bad case.
It doesn't make you.
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, I'm glad you're looking at me when you're
singing that.
You know she is my wife, soit's okay, right, it's all right
.
Thank you for joining ustonight.
Dr JB, tell us a little bitabout you and who you are in
your background, all right, well, perfect.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Well, I again am so excited to be here with you guys
and spend some time and talkabout a really important topic.
So again, my name is DrJean-Baptiste.
I am a doctor in real life.
So, like, by day I'm a doc, youknow.
By night I'm hanging out withyou guys in the metaverse, I'm a
board certified emergencymedicine doctor and I live here
in Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
At first, I'd like to ask you what is burnout?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
You know there actually is a definition for
burnout, and so you can actuallydefine it and see how many of
these boxes you check off.
According to the World HealthOrganization, the ICD-11, they
define burnout as anoccupational phenomenon, right,
(02:50):
and it encompasses three things.
One is increased fatigue, soyou're just feeling tired and
you know, just really, you know,worn out.
All the time when you thinkabout work you're like, oh my
gosh, you know, I don't know ifyou guys have ever felt
something similar Anybody.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Anybody, anybody, yeah right, oh everybody, it
turns out.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
And then another one is you start feeling really
cynical about your job right andabout the work that you're
doing because anybody feltsimilar, yep, right.
And then the third piece of itis.
Then you find that you're lessefficacious right Things that
(03:39):
you know when you first startedoops, sorry, something fell.
So things when you firststarted that you're able to do
relatively quickly is justtaking you longer and longer to
do it, and you don't understandwhy right, dr JB, that word used
.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That was a big word.
I'm not a big word person, socan you explain to me like?
What does that mean?
Like the ethicist?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Effecatist, so you're just not as efficient.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
I'm not, you know, in doing things right, yes.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
That's the third part.
And once you are like, okay,yes, I'm tired, I'm getting
those you know Monday jitterswhere you start feeling
palpitations and anxious andsweating about oh my gosh, work
is tomorrow, you know there'snot enough time or hours between
(04:30):
now when I have to go back intowork.
You know, when you start, youknow really just griping about
your job and you find thatyou're not as efficient as you
used to be.
You know those three things,you know, encompass burnout, and
so you are experiencing burnout.
My company, hope for Med, isfocused on healthcare
(04:51):
professionals and reallycreating a peer-to-peer support
group for them, using technologyright and the possibilities
that exist when you combinetechnology with wellness, and so
hence why, you know, I go bythe Metaverse stock because I am
very much gun hoe on theMetaverse and the possibilities
(05:13):
the Metaverse has in terms of,you know, really allowing people
to connect regardless of wherethey are in the world, and the
conveniences that the Metaverseoffers this seems like your kind
of like your first experiencein Horizon Worlds really on this
platform, correct, that's true?
Yes, and the thing that I'vebeen using for my community is
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another Metaverse platformthat's not Horizon Worlds and
there I held an event calledWellness in the Metaverse and it
was a day long event where Ihad seven speakers all talking
about a different dimension ofwellness, and they were from,
you know, not all over the US,but all over the world.
I had people from Spain, andyou know, and Uganda and London,
(06:00):
you know, and, of course, allthe states all in attendance and
that is a possibility of theMetaverse, and I absolutely love
it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and that is like we've met so many people in
here that come to the studio.
That's from the UK, you know.
They're from all differentplaces in the world Canada, a
lot of people from Canada.
What is the platform thatyou've been using in the
Metaverse?
I'm just curious to know too.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
So platform I've used is called Vrbella, vrbella,
okay.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yep, I've heard of that.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
And the reason so, with my introduction to the
Metaverse, you know, my goal isto really connect with
healthcare professionals fromthroughout the entire world, and
when we think about the world,right, we think about you know
what are some things that wouldprevent somebody from engaging.
And we think about cost andthese Oculus headsets are
(06:50):
expensive, yeah.
And so when I was looking for aplatform to really grow my
community in, I wanted one wherewe didn't have to wear Oculus,
you know, where all you neededwas a computer, a laptop, a
keyboard and a mouse, and soVrbella really met those
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requirements for me, so thatmore people could engage.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And we know that that's coming here right We've
seen the articles we know it'scoming, so that's going to be
really exciting.
Yeah, it's going to be superexciting.
Well, thank you for sharingthat.
It gives us a little bit moreinsight, too, behind you and
where your heart is, too.
What are some of themisconceptions about burnout?
Speaker 5 (07:35):
The biggest misconception that I've come
across is that, you know, if Idare utter that I might maybe be
experiencing symptoms ofburnout, then there's something
inherently wrong with me, and Ithink that is one of the biggest
(07:55):
misconceptions that I really,really want to make people aware
of.
Right, yeah, you know it's whenyou have, you know, stress,
uncontrolled stress that's notbeen well managed.
Right, and you know it's anoccupational phenomenon, but,
honestly, it doesn't stay inyour job, right, yeah?
(08:17):
So how many people you knowhave found that they continue
experiencing these symptoms athome?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I have definitely With their friends
and their loved ones right.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
And so, although the WHO does define it as an
occupational phenomenon but itdoesn't just stay at your job so
miraculously.
When you leave, you close thosedoors.
All of a sudden, you're feelinggreat, like you're your normal
self.
You have all the energy in theworld to do, you know whatever
you need to do.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah you carry it with you, right, it doesn't just
stay at the job.
That's a really important thingto acknowledge.
And I guess, like when I thinkabout burnout, I've struggled
with burnout and a lot of timesI put myself in those situations
and I got to ask myself likewell, why am I trying to do so
much?
What's the real purpose behindthat?
Is it's not healthy for me?
(09:14):
And can burnout be kind of likea?
Maybe it's like a Almost, likeyour body is giving you like a
warning, like hey, you need toslow down, like something's not
right.
Yeah, what's your thoughts onthat?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, you know, I I consider it like a roller
coaster, right, you have gooddays, you have bad days, right.
But once you know, cuz theroller coaster, you go up and
you go down, and you go up andyou go down, right.
But when you find yourselfstaying down for a long, period
of time, right, that's when youreally need to start getting
(09:50):
concerned, right?
Because when we think aboutlife, life isn't rosy all the
time.
Oh yeah, right, yeah, andthat's just a reality of things,
right, we're all gonna havegood days, we're all gonna have
bad days.
We're all gonna be excited,we're all gonna be sad, you know
, at some point, yeah, right,yeah.
But once we, when we startfinding ourselves staying at
(10:15):
this low level, then you need tolisten to your yourself.
It's not all in your mind, it'snot all in your brain, you know
there's definitely somethinghappening and you need to wake
up and try to make some changes.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So is part of what you do Like to help people learn
how to deal with their stressand healthy ways.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah what are?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
some of those ways like if you, if you, you know,
if you're helping people, kindof how to how to deal with that.
What are some of those, thosetechniques or things that we
should be thinking about?
Sydney?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
so again, I'm an emergency room doctor and we go
by acronyms in the ER, and Someof you guys may be familiar with
ABCs, right?
Remember, we all learned thatwhen we were in elementary
school.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, Mrs Killer B just said she didn't and I know
she was in charge ofhomeschooling and my son just
graduated last year and I'mgetting very concerned.
Arcane, you know your ABCs?
I did not teach him thealphabet?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I thought it was you know outdated, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
We're not doing it?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No, I thought I.
Did shake my head.
No, because I thought she wasasking if we knew the acronym
that they use in the ER.
I was like, oh, I don't, I'venever heard it, I don't know.
But yes, the classic ABCs, youknow, I've heard of those here
and there.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Everybody, please, let's do some confetti that my
son knows his ABCs at 19.
So, yes, can you explain to usthe acronym?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah.
So you know, in the medicalsense, when we think about ABCs,
we think about Erie.
I mean airway, breathing andcirculation.
Those are the three things andthose are foundational, right.
And so when we think about thefoundational steps in terms of
Treating and preventing symptomsof burnout, I revert back to
(12:19):
the ABCs.
And so you know, with myacronym a, a stands for
acknowledge, right.
And so you know, see how manyof those, those boxes that you,
you check off in terms ofdefinition of burnout, right,
yeah.
And you know, if you find thatyou're checking them all off, or
you know parts of them off, orwhatnot, what not, you know
(12:40):
you're still experiencing, youknow symptoms of of burnout,
right.
So acknowledge that, becomeaware of that right.
Then B which is something thatyou know I personally have
struggled with, is that's ourfavorite letter to Now you got
(13:04):
me all distracted.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm gonna get the wall wall buttons.
That really, really distractedme.
Get that this button.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Remember it's like this is the couch cushion, so I
can't get to it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
So we said a awareness, acknowledge you know
that you're going throughsymptoms of burnout.
And then B is boundaries.
Struggles with settingboundaries yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I wish I didn't have to say yes.
You definitely need to say yes,you definitely, and I do too,
like I think you know, I thinkthat is boundary.
Is it hard for us to setboundaries?
Because we have a lot of people, have a heart, they want to
help.
Yeah.
I think, that I think that's abig thing for Mrs Killer B, for
sure I know.
Knowing her personally, I knowher heart is to help as many
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people and so it's harder forher set boundaries, I would say.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I do.
I have a very hard time withboundaries.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I'm trying to do better and then I just, you know
fall off the wagon the key wassetting boundaries and Learning
the art I call it an art ofsaying no, mm-hmm.
Yeah, I know those two lettersare some of the most difficult
things for us to say yeah.
(14:21):
Yeah however, you know, whenwe're thinking about boundary
setting, we're thinking aboutourselves right and Self-care
for us, because there's only 24hours in the day.
I and when you say no to X,you're saying yes to Y.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, we've been talking about that so much
lately.
That is so interesting that youjust said that, because that's
come up for us lately, where youknow you might be saying yes
and yes and yes, and you don'trealize that what you're
actually saying no to is thethings that are most important
(15:06):
to you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And then we have the C and I know how meta voice has
got a question.
Let's bring it.
Let's bring it before we get tosee.
Let's bring up some questions.
Let's go ahead and bring upmeta voice.
Come on up.
Welcome, meta voice.
Thanks for joining us, hi, mrKiller.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
B the metaverse doc and Mrs Killer B.
It's always a pleasure speakingto you.
Well, I was just talking tosome of those out there and they
all had a question and aunanimous about burnout.
You know, it seems that nomatter.
You know, when you have burnout, you recognize you have burnout
, but you think about thesethings you need to accomplish
(15:47):
and get organized to stop beingso burnt out.
But when you then accomplishthese things and you find that
those weren't the things thatwere making you burnt out in the
first place, you still don'thave the energy.
How do you get out of that rut?
And then, when you have alittle bit of energy, it's like
you wasted all at once becauseyou're so excited you have any
and you're burnout all overagain.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh my gosh, that's so true, that's good.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yes, it's cyclical, and so that's why these ABCs
that we're going over will helpyou recover from burnout, as
well as help you prevent burnout, by focusing on these
foundational letters.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
That's good so basically, if I just go back and
be quiet and listen to what youhave, to say I'll learn about
the answer to my question in themost polite of ways Correct.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I mean you're so perceptive.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It's true, I'm married.
No, no, that's not what I meantat all, but you know, but it's,
it's so rampant, right.
Like you know, these symptomsof burnout, they transcend all
fields, and you know, and wedon't talk about it all that
(17:01):
often, and that's why it'sreally important for us to be
able to have settings andsituations like this where we
can really talk, right and youknow, connect with each other
and find out, you know what'sworked for you, you know and
what's worked for me, and try toincorporate different things
and see what, what works.
(17:23):
But it's definitely somethingyou have to stay really vigilant
on because, yes, you will justget burnt out again and again,
and again.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You know, and I can tell you like one of the things
as a business and one of thethings that I've tried to that's
helped me, and it took me likeover over six months to get this
with the business.
What was our purpose Like?
What was our purpose statementas a business?
Well so and you can do thiswith yourself too individually
but what is what is?
What is my real purpose as thebusiness?
And so we came up with apurpose statement and in our so
(17:55):
we have that purpose statement.
But anything that comes in, alot of things come in and we
want to, we want to take thework and we want to help those
people because, like those, wewant to help as many people as
we can.
But then we started realizinglike we have to run all these
things through our purposestatement because if it doesn't
go through our purpose statementand it passed and that that
means it's aligned with us,we're going to burn ourselves
out doing a lot of work forpeople that aren't aligned with
(18:16):
the same purpose as our purposestatement.
So we'd rather work with peoplethat align with that purpose
statement and keep our yeses tothose that are more in line in
our nose to the ones that youknow.
It's just you can get yourstuff caught up doing a lot of
busy work and lose focus of that.
That's one thing that I'vethat's helped us.
But those three letters, aawareness, correct, yes.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
B is what was it.
Boundaries, boundaries.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
B that's a big thing, boundaries and C I don't think
we've even gotten C yet.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
We have not gotten C yet.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah that's continued .
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Yeah, let's go ahead and get to C, but before we do,
thank you so much again forbeing here.
It's very much appreciated toeveryone in the audience and
more.
I'm going to go back, sit down,shut up and maybe learn my ABC.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Thanks, meta voice.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
We have some more questions, but let's go ahead
and get to C and then we'llbring in people for the
questions yeah, C and thenquestions.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I think so, and C is what you guys have created here
you know the importance ofcommunity, Community and be part
of a community to reallysupport you through this journey
.
Because you can't do it alone,and you're not alone in this at
all.
You know, the surgeon generalsaid that there's an epidemic of
(19:31):
loneliness happening currentlythroughout the US, and you know,
I did my residency in New YorkCity.
New York City is one of theloneliest places in the world,
but you're surrounded by so manypeople.
Yeah, so how is it possiblethat you can be surrounded by so
many people?
You know you're on the trainand there's, you know, standing
(19:53):
room only, but yet you feel soalone.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know, I noticed it before COVID but then really
markedly after COVID how littlepeople want to talk to each
other.
You know, and I'm kind of likethe type of person that like
wants to talk to people in thegrocery store, and I can see
fear in people's eyes when Italk to them and you know, I can
(20:20):
see how that leads to youleading such an isolated life.
You know, if you're not willingto take the chance to talk to
somebody, you know yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
That's absolutely right and you know.
But the amazing thing about themetaverse right is it allows
you an opportunity to unmaskyourself you know, in many ways
right and really allow yourheart to connect with others
(20:58):
right.
Because it's not about rubbingelbows, you know, but it's about
connecting on a deeper level,yeah, and so finding that
community where you are able todo that, and if one doesn't
exist, then create one foryourself.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, absolutely, that's good, I like that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Good, I like that a lot.
All right, let's go ahead andbring up Oki Oki Troker.
Oki Oki.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Oki Oki.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oki, oki, oki Oki, is that right Well?
Speaker 9 (21:33):
the thing is, everyone just calls me Oki.
I'm actually that's my, that'smy TikTok handle as well and
everyone just calls me Oki andone thing one thing you were
talking about pre-COVID, duringCOVID and after COVID.
Pre-covid is when I starteddoing TikTok and everything like
(21:53):
that, and I'm also a truckdriver and I noticed during the
COVID crisis, everyonedisappeared.
No, mcgrana, that was thegreatest moment of my life truck
driving, because nobody was onthe road.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
That was great.
That was great.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
But I did notice and I'm glad I came in today and we
were talking about burnout,because, as someone who puts
myself out there on the internet, where I put my face, my voice,
my comedy out there, I do getburned out.
I run out of ideas, I run outof just.
(22:31):
I do something and it causes my, it causes me to tank views,
t-a-n-k.
Tank on views.
Where I don't get any more isbecause I take a break.
I just step away from the world.
I just sit in my truck.
Now, grant, I'm home every dayand then I've got this.
(22:54):
Now I get away and it helps mewith burnout.
It really does, because onething I learned and my mom hates
it because I've done this sinceI was 18 is I will just quit
talking to people because andthis is how me and my wife's
(23:15):
relationship works Me we don'tsee each other until the
weekends.
She works the night shift, Iwork day shift and then we see
each other on the weekends.
It gives us something to talkabout.
If you go away, just walk away,because you're getting burned
out, because you're seeing thesame people every day.
You're seeing the same personevery day.
Just go away.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, well, space.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
And just no Right.
And that's where boundariescome in.
B the big one.
Boundaries Set you a boundary.
Put everyone outside thatboundary just for a little bit,
not permanently.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
And just go to your own thing for a little bit and
come back with stories, comeback with experience and share
that.
I'm so glad I came in here,meta Voice, and, by the way, I
was like this is a great topic,yeah.
And now I mean what's youropinion?
I mean, is that a healthy thing, just to step away?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
100% it's healthy.
So the S, so it's ABCs with anS you don't know your alphabet.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now I'm sitting there and not.
Yeah, I just asked.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yes, but the ABCs part, the S part, is about
self-care, and that's whatyou're hitting on right.
Because, that's extremelyimportant, right.
So we're aware you know we'resetting up our boundaries, you
know we're finding our community, but we can't, you know, give
to everyone else and not focuson ourselves.
We have to engage in self-care,and there are some foundational
(24:48):
pieces of self-care that youreally need to focus on when
you're really trying to, youknow, kind of get back on your
feet, right.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
And when we think about those foundational pieces,
you know one is these are thebasic, right, Basic things.
Sleep.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yes, how much sleep are you?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
getting.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, that's an S Preach.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Just preach, sister, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
She loves, miss Killer, be loves asleep.
Is there any other letters thatI don't know about ABCS?
I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Well, yeah, abcs and C.
The S part actually is anotheracronym, which is S-E-E, so we
talked about sleep, oh, there'smore the other two things, yeah
right.
I mean, in the world ofmedicine there's nothing but
acronyms.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
But yeah, the other two are really.
Again, these are foundationalbuilding blocks.
When we think about self care,we talked about sleep.
The amount of sleep you shouldget every night is between seven
and nine hours.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Or like 10, right or more.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, you're just a good buddy and thumbs up now.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
The E is eat right.
What are you eating?
You know, are you eating a diet, that is, that has a lot of
nutritional value and whatnotyou?
Know, lots of green leafyvegetables et cetera.
We could talk about that morelater or another date, and then
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the last E is exercise.
So those are the foundationalfactors in terms of really
helping you to really combatsymptoms of burnout.
That's it.
No more normal letters.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I've got to learn my whole alphabet all over again.
Lady Hawk, come on up.
Come on up, Lady Hawk.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
Hello, how are you doing?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I was going to go back to where you said, that we
had to learn to say no.
I remember you guys probablydon't believe it, but many years
ago I used to be shy and Icouldn't say no to anybody what.
And so I had a good friend yeah, I did.
I had a good friend thatnoticed this and they confronted
me and they took me aside andthey said need learn to say no.
And so I whispered it and theysaid no, that's enough.
(27:05):
Well, within the hour they hadme scream and know the top of my
lungs and they said now youknow how to say it, use it.
Well, apparently I use it toomuch because I don't get
intimidated very easily, but ithad someone pull me aside and
let me know, because I didn'treally know I could say no.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, exactly I felt obligated.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I had to please people.
I was scared of everybody, andso I'm glad that one person
pulled me aside and said I wasallowed to, and so I'm glad you
bring that up, saying that we'reallowed to say no, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's powerful really.
Yeah, because as much troubleas I have now about setting
boundaries.
I used to be way worse and tothe point where I was neglecting
my family and I was doingthings and doing things and, you
know, one day it was Brianactually who said to me.
He said you know, you're nevereven home to make dinner anymore
(27:57):
.
And it just hit me like a tonof bricks.
I didn't even realize that Ihad gotten to the point where I
was saying yes to all theseother people and saying no to my
family.
And so, yeah, that's a reallywhat a blessing that that person
pulled you aside and waswilling to say that to you.
You know they saw where it wastaking you and that it wasn't a
(28:17):
healthy place.
So God bless that person, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Yes, you know, and along those lines, like what I
really, really love and, youknow, would strongly encourage
everyone here.
If you have struggled the pastin terms of creating boundaries
like we all have me too that'sone of my, you know, biggest
areas of struggle is rememberingthat by saying no, you're
saying yes to something, and sowhat I recommend people do is
(28:44):
make a list of what are all thethings you could possibly, you
know, say no to and what are thethings you could be saying yes
to instead.
We mentioned time with yourfamily, right, you know.
Time off right, like a day offvacation, staycation, right.
There's so many things that youcould be saying yes to.
And do you really need to sayyes to, you know, more work at
(29:07):
your job, and if you don't sayyes to something that really
helps you and your loved onesand your self care?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
That's good, good, good.
Thank you, lady Hawk.
All right, let's bring up.
I think I got three more peopleon the Q and A.
Let's go and bring up Cils.
Cils, come on up and then nextI'll let you guys know who we're
going to bring up.
Next we're going to bring upEpic, and actually we have Epic,
godman and Meta voice again.
So go ahead, zils, go rightahead.
(29:34):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Good to be here, thank you.
Thank you for coming.
It was very interesting.
Like Dean or, I have been in myprofession for 32 years and
experienced burnout numeroustimes.
But I was just wondering do youhave any stats of what
occupations are the ones thatexperience burnout the most?
(29:57):
Who?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Healthcare?
Of course, yes, I would thinkso high stress careers or high
stress occupations are the onesthat experience burnout the most
, because burnout reallyconsists of uncontrolled stress.
So if you're able to controlyour stress, then that limits
(30:24):
you developing burnout.
But in terms of like, listennumber one, two, three, I don't
have that answer right now foryou.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, well, that does make sense.
I would think, like police, youknow, those kind of things
would probably be ranked.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
But thank you.
Yeah, the police have hugelevels of burnout.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, thank you, zils .
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Also one thing.
I just want to say this superfast, just as a you know, most
of my life have been a stay athome mom and not a career woman,
and even though some peoplemight look at it like, being a
stay at home mom is not anoccupation exactly.
There are very high levels ofburnout in that world as well,
because you never, ever get abreak.
(31:08):
You know, and it's reallyimportant, if you are a stay at
home mom or stay at home dad, tofind ways to set aside time for
yourself so that you can be thebest that you can for your
family, because if you don't,then you just start going on
autopilot and not being the bestfor anybody you know in your
life, and so I just want tothrow that out there.
(31:28):
I know a lot of times duringthese kinds of conversations I
would really start feeling kindof like ashamed of myself or
something that I didn't workoutside the home and I just
wanted to put that out there.
If anyone else is feeling thatway, you know I see you because
it's a super hard job and youknow whether you work outside
the home or whether you don't,you have a whole set of your own
(31:51):
things to deal with, and so,yeah, I just want to say that,
yeah, that's good Epic.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
thank you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Hi, hi, okay, it's my first time here.
Oh, awesome we're welcome.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Thanks for coming, thank you.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
In your opinion, is burnout the result of
procrastination or isprocrastination the result of
burnout?
Because I too, myself, havebeen in a 15 year long career
and, yes, I'm experiencingburnout and I'm finding that I'm
procrastinating more now than Iused to, as metaverse doc said
(32:29):
earlier.
So I'm just wondering in youropinion, is one a result of the
other?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
So I would say that they are related.
But I would say that symptomsof burnout worsen your
procrastination, and so you know, if you're already, you know,
having checking off the boxes ofI'm so tired, why do I want to
do this, like I'd rather go, youknow, do something else.
I'm tired, or, you know, Idon't.
(33:00):
I'm feeling cynical, I don'twant to be at this job, or you
know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
I'm cynical lately, oh my God, yes, like I don't.
I can't even stand myself rightnow, and it's hard right.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
But going back to the a right, it's becoming aware of
how you're feeling and you knowthat you are experiencing these
symptoms, right.
Once we are aware, once weacknowledge that we can do
something about it, we have aname for it, like aha, this is
what I'm going through, this iswhat I'm experiencing, and then
(33:35):
we can start taking the nextsteps to really get out of this.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Do you have an acronym for the next steps?
Like for once, you realize, ok,like I'm experiencing burnout
what you should do next, that'sthe BCS.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
OK, so yes.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I'm a supervisor and told them I'm overworked, I'm
too overwhelmed, so I'm startingthat ball rolling yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm just good.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
I did also want to piggyback on what you said,
because I was a single mother.
My kids are in their 20s now,so success story right here, the
way I would do my time out,because, yes, I would go from
job to kids, job to kids.
Oh, my goodness, never stoppedSleepover parties.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
What else?
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Scheduling sleepover parties so that I would at least
have an evening just to myself,whether it meant sitting on the
couch eating a pint of ice orwatching a scary movie or going
out with my friends, that's howI got my time out, so, yes, good
Advice to parents.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
All right, let's bring up Batman, and then we
have Meta voice and then we'regoing to wrap up the show.
So make sure you guys stay.
We'll play the outro music andthen, as soon as the outro music
starts playing, you guys canall jump up here and we'll grab
a selfie together.
So, batman, come on up.
Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
But yeah, you're talking about burnout and
whatnot.
Like me personally, I'm a gamertype of girl, so I don't like,
as of late, I haven't beenwanting to play Fortnite as much
, so it's like I do it all thetime.
But then it's like I did it forYouTube and it was like my
personal hobby and I just don'twant to upload as much, but I
(35:26):
have forced myself to because Ifeel like I have to.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Can I say one quick thing before you go on to your
expert opinion?
It's something I've beenthinking this whole time while
we've been talking is that weput so much pressure on
ourselves and the expectationsof what we think we have to do.
And something someone saidbefore made me think about how,
(35:55):
like, for instance, like whenwe're sick, you know, so many
people feel like you just haveto pass.
You just have to like get upand do your thing and like go to
work and just power through it.
And what you're saying isreminding me of that is that you
have to take care of yourselfin the way that you know this
thing, that you're doing, thatyou're gaming on Fortnite and
(36:17):
you feel like you have to do it,even if you want to.
You know, I think you need tojust take a little time, take a
little step back and askyourself, like why do I feel
like I have to do this, eventhough I really need a break?
You know like you're pushingyourself too hard.
It sounds like maybe, butanyway, I want to say that
because I was thinking about howwe let the expectations of what
(36:39):
we think we have to do pushourselves too hard to where we
like hurt ourselves really inthe long run or we make
ourselves unhealthy or mentallyor physically.
And I just want to put that outthere, because the reason why I
use the example of being sickis because, for whatever reason,
(37:00):
I don't know why.
So my mom, my whole family, isin the medical field, but my mom
, specifically, was a paramedicfor 30 years.
So if anyone's ever grown uparound a paramedic, you never go
to the doctor because she knewhow to handle everything.
She's like they're just goingto tell you to drink water and
go to sleep, so just do that.
And so we never went to thedoctor.
(37:20):
But I just somehow always knewif I was sick, I just need to
rest, take care of myself, I'mnot going to push myself.
I've always been like that,right, brian?
Like he would be the type wherehe'd be like no, I've got to
work, I'm going to push throughthis, and I would go to bed for
two days and be better.
So like totally for two daysyeah really I really would, I
(37:42):
would knock it out of bed fortwo days.
But I say all that to saysomehow, innately I knew that in
the long run I would be betteroff if I just took care of this
now and then move on.
And I've tried to incorporatethat into other parts of my life
.
And I wanted to bring it upbecause especially American
culture really tells us justhustle, just push through it,
(38:05):
Just don't be a baby, just whiteknuckle it.
And I don't think it's servedus well.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It's so true there's no reason for us to just suck it
up and push through it.
I had a question for you,Batman, and pinging back off of
what Oki Trucker said when wasthe last time you took a
vacation?
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Oh God, I mean like a month ago, it was like three
days, I mean not even close tofamily, but it was for my
grandpa's birthday.
So I went on vacation, buttrying to make something work.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Okay.
So when was the last time youtook a vacation?
Yeah, like a year ago, maybe.
So I think it's absolutelyessential, when we think about
you know, self-care and takingcare of our mental wellness,
that we schedule time forvacations, time to step away,
(39:02):
right, and that allows us torejuvenate, right, to reconnect
with our why and to see if ourwhy has shifted right.
And so you know why are you agamer?
You know why are you doing this.
This is still something thatyou're very passionate about,
that you still really, reallywant to do, and the only way for
you to really have that spaceand that time to really focus on
(39:26):
that is if you step away andtake a vacation.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's good.
So you're not going to do someof the staycation, but just step
away Sure.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
Thank you for asking that,because I think you're really
tapped into something that a lotof people feel, which is, like
we talked about a minute ago,like you feel like you have no
choice, you have to keep going,and you know, it's really a it's
a scary place to be when youfeel like you're trapped, and so
I'm glad you brought that up sowe could talk about that, like,
(40:01):
yeah, really good question.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Thank you so much, bad man, thank you bad man, all
right, all right, let's bring upour last question for the night
.
Meta voice, come on up.
Meta voice, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
Hi again.
Hello, meta, voice I deeplywant to apologize.
I didn't know.
I was see.
I said I was going to go outthere and shut up and sit down,
and I did the complete opposite.
I went out there, ran around,started talking to everybody,
but I used to be that they usedto be like in Europe, I'm out
there, so you couldn't hearsomeone was talking to someone
anymore.
Apparently that could have beenterribly embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, we couldn't hear you.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Yeah, I'm so glad you couldn't because that's the
only ones that matter, I meanthe community matters.
Anyways, my question being well, see, I know I needed to take a
vacation from a lot of that.
I did I nonstop to work on tobecome a voice actor.
I did it by myself, I didn'thave a team and I couldn't
(41:04):
really.
I was like, if I do this, Ijust got to keep going and I was
like, well, now I got to take avacation, but I got scared.
I'm scared to take a vacationbecause what happens if that
turns into a stay vacation and Ididn't mean it to, but it will
because of my procrastination,the anxiety of taking a vacation
and not knowing if you can getback in that groove, Even if
(41:28):
things will be the same if youdid.
It's scary, it really is, youknow, because you never know
what the inevitable is.
If it's a job you've been atfor, say, 15 years and you burnt
out by it, well, you take therisk to find another one that
you might be happy about.
There's a lot of risks involved.
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
There's a lot of risks.
Yeah, I think that one of thethings that I think about
Meta-voices when it comes tobusiness.
I've been there.
I'm going to miss out anopportunity, right, if I slow
down, if I don't do this.
But what I've also learned isthe most important things in my
life If I don't know what mylife is going to be like
tomorrow, I might not even behere.
If I do all this hustle andgrind and I'm focused, focused,
(42:11):
trying to drive this and makethis happen, but I don't spend
time with the people I love andslow down.
If today was my last day, wouldI want that time to be spent
like knowing I slowed down andspent some time with my family,
or that I was trying to push toget to that next level, which
doesn't even matter now.
So that's something that I'vetried to look at in regards to
(42:35):
that, because, when it comesdown to it, I think the fear of
missed opportunity is real, butthe truth is we don't know.
Even during my times of breaksthat I've done, because I share
here Metaverse, doc but I doreflection time every week.
So tomorrow I'll be going outfor two to four hours just
spending time reflecting andpraying and kind of good and
(42:58):
just processing things that'sgoing on in life, business,
health.
But during that time I actuallyeven meet people that actually
end up becoming otheropportunities that I didn't.
It wasn't even chasing, tryingto do Like those people are all
around us, but I would havemissed that opportunity if I
wouldn't have been just takingthat time to unplug.
So I think it's like theunknown.
(43:18):
It's the unknowns, the thingsthat we don't know.
We don't know what happenstomorrow.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
You know Metaverse, what you're saying is making me
think of something too.
So our son, you know, he like,follows certain people on
YouTube and things like that,and he, he's in the booth
somewhere, arcane, if you hearme telling this story and you
want to add, something, pleasecome tell us.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I see the heart, I see the heart came out of the
wall.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh he's our little bee.
Okay.
So he told me about a YouTuberwho was not willing to follow
the algorithm that YouTube waslike putting out there like
posts I forget what they used tosay on YouTube like post every
day or like three times a week,I don't remember Well this
creator in particular.
(44:01):
He would not do it, but becausehis content was so good, he
still ended up being verysuccessful.
And I say that because you needthat time away creatively to
put out your best content, andfor you in particular.
You know, if you were able totake a little time away, you
(44:23):
would be even stronger when youcame back.
And I know it's scary, I know Imean, brian and I have dealt
with this before and it's scaryto think about taking that time
away, but you need it.
You know it's what's best foryou and then when you come back,
you'll be even stronger.
And so I just thought aboutthat and I wanted to share that
with you.
I always thought that was suchan amazing story and you know
(44:44):
our son he's like a little bitof a rebel, so he loved that
story about.
You know, I'm not going tofollow the algorithm, I'm going
to do what's right for me, andso you know, I think it, I think
we all could use a little bitof that in our lives, you know
definitely, definitelyunderstand.
Speaker 8 (44:59):
Well, thank you so much.
Did you have anything to say?
Metaverse doc to the cover itup.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I think they did a fantastic job covering it all.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, I mean license us as doctors.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
We have to go through a couple more acronyms.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
first that's all we need.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
That's it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
No, we want that, that's easier.
Speaker 8 (45:22):
Michigan too.
I got people yeah that's right,yeah, michigan.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Thank you, yes.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Michigan.
Thank you.
Thank you, metaverse, I wouldlove to know.
Dr JB, I just want to say thankyou so much for joining us Like
.
This is great.
This is your first experienceat Horizon World, so what do you
think?
What do you think about it?
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Oh man, I love that.
Thank you guys so much.
It was so wonderful meeting allof you guys.
You guys had such amazingquestions.
You guys are so engaged.
I absolutely love that.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah Well, we really appreciate you coming out.
I always ask all of our guestsas we wrap up, if there's one
thing that you hope people takeaway from today's event, today's
show, what would it be?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
I think the biggest thing is you can always start
now, right Like.
You don't forget aboutyesterday.
You don't have any control overyesterday.
You don't have control overtomorrow, but you do have
control over the present.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
And realizing your power in right, now.
Right, and if you decide that Iwant to make a change in my
life, then there's no bettertime than now to start.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Hey, thanks for tuning in to today's podcast
episode, if you liked today'sepisode.
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