July 9, 2024 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
She's back.
Guess what, guys?
I have got a treat for youToday.
I've brought back Dani Kayeonto the episode.
I think this is maybe her thirdtime with us.
Love her or hate her, here sheis, and I think you love her
because every time she's on thepodcast, the analytics are off
the charts.
Maybe you love us together.
(00:22):
Anyways, the treat is that thisis actually a two-part episode
because it was really just aconversation she and I had.
We were actually friends inreal life and we were just
chatting one day, and so we justhit record and it ended up
being like an hour and 20minutes when I put this whole
thing together.
So I've broken it up into twoparts.
You can listen to part one nowand, if you're excited, you can
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go ahead and listen to part two,which should be coming out,
like you know, back to back.
Yeah, so let's just run theintro.
Welcome to A New Creationpodcast where we are pointing
women towards victory in Christ,one Jesus story at a time.
I'm your host, jamise.
I absolutely cannot wait tomeet you inside this episode.
Let's go, lord, we thank youfor orchestrating this whole
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thing, organizing Danny and I'stime to meet just like this, and
we give this time over to you,lord.
We bind any influence thatwould seek to tamper with what
you're doing not trying to do,but what you're doing.
We just lose that.
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Jeremiah 29, 11 purpose forthis podcast.
Your purpose and plans are good.
They're not of evil.
They're good to bringunexpected and to prosper many
who will hear this message, lord, and we just believe on your
word and we just thank you.
We ask you, lord Jesus, to pouryour oil out over each of us.
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Anoint our mouths to speak.
Anoint our tongue, lord, tospeak what is true and what is
good and what is acceptable inyour sight.
Lord, that's my prayer In thematchless name of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Amen, lord, and I also ask that you would think
through our thoughts and speakthrough our mouths, lord, god,
that your purpose and your planwould be fulfilled in this
podcast, that you would haveyour way, that you would speak
to the hearts and minds of thosepeople who are listening and,
lord, that you would demolishstrongholds and demolish lies
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that people have believed in thename of Jesus, holy Spirit,
have your way.
I ask that you soften thehearts of those listening, and
even soften my heart and Jameis'heart too.
Lord, whatever you want to do,we're open and we say let your
will be done in.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Jesus' name, as you were praying, what the Lord was.
He was showing me thatsometimes we approach him and
the things of God with a beliefthat we know this already or we
know it already when he wants totake us just that much deeper.
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You know, and I think thatsometimes this has been a prayer
point of mine, lord, show me ifthere's pride operating line.
Lord, show me if there's prideoperating.
There's a difference in knowingthe word of god and being able
to stand on it, and we better beable to stand and these days
and times that we're living in,right like you, better know what
the bible says, because peopleout there preaching all these
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other kind of different kinds ofjesus, come on, you better know
for yourself, but yeah, forreal there's like a difference
in knowing the word for yourselfin order to stand and deviate
from that and it become like apride issue.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, I know this already but he's trying to show
you more amen, and it can bepride and ego, and I just
recently heard someone say thatego stands for etching God out.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Etching God out.
When we let our ego get in theway of learning new things, when
we let our ego get in the wayof receiving revelation from God
, we are etching God out.
We're saying, nope, I know whatI need to know and I don't need
revelation from God.
Come on.
That's so good.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It just makes me wonder the Lord, you know, am I
operating in any of that?
And I'm so.
Lord, reveal it, let's heal it.
That kind of thing, you know.
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It just makes me wonder howmany people are operating out of
their ego towards the things ofGod and their understanding of
him, and they don't even realizeit.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And pride can be really sneaky, like you can
think, oh, I don't have anypride, I'm good, but pride will
sneak up on you in the mostinteresting ways, like.
A really good example of thatis like when you're speaking to
someone and they're talking orthey're sharing something with
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you and you cut them off andinterrupt them.
That can sometimes be pride,because you're saying what
you're saying, I already knowwhat you're saying, I don't want
to hear it again and that'sprideful.
And I mean, there's so manylike I could sit here and share.
You know, time after time aftertime, that pride will just try
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to slip in there, but it'ssneaky.
So we always got to be on guardto not let that in, because it
can come in ways that we don'teven think oh, that's not pride,
but it is yeah, I mean, look atpeter, right, yep, you know he.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
he walked with jesus, saw him in the flesh, touched
him, ate with him, and stillthought that he knew more than
jesus at certain points.
Right, yeah, come on right, Idon't know.
There there's just a humblingthat the Lord has been leading
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Me and I guess in terms ofself-reflection, you know, I
don't know, that's just whatit's kind of knocking around in
my brain.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I can relate.
I can relate.
I mean he's.
He's definitely doing that inin my life too, and he's helping
me to be sure that you knowthere's no inroad for the enemy,
whether it's things that I'vebelieved, or it's things that
I've said, or things that I'veeven watched or like allowed in.
You know, because our eyes arethe window to our soul.
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So like we also have to becareful.
What we're letting into oureyes, what we're watching our
ears, what we're listening to,like those are all entry points
for for the enemy.
And so, like he's been helpingme to be very firm about what I
do and don't let in to my spirit, and that has been huge,
because I think it's really easyto overlook things that we
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think are small, like a secularsong.
You know, listening to asecular song to some people
might seem like a small thing,but to me, you know, that's
giving place to the enemy,because you never know what's
behind something.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know yeah, he has been, uh, revealing a lot of
that to me.
So when I I don't, I stillstruggle with how to tell my
story.
I was baptized as a young girl.
I was like 12 or 11, but then Ihad like a jesus moment around
2020.
I've been asking people latelylike what was your pandemic
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story, if it seems like a lot ofpeople had an encounter with
the Lord during the pandemic.
So for me during that time, theLord literally came into my
living room and my life ain'tnever been the same, and what he
started showing me was hestarted showing me like I have
joked that if other people getJesus by walking through the
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front door in the church, theLord had to take me in some
other way.
Because what he started showingme was I had a lot of questions
about why is there so much evilin this world, why is there
like all the murdering, all thiscrazy stuff, all this like why
I was desperately seeking himand he showed me.
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He began to reveal to me allthis kind of weird stuff
happening in politics, all thiskind of weird stuff happening
behind closed doors with recordlabels companies.
He began to show me this kindof stuff, things that other
people like.
They call it conspiracy theory.
But guess what?
It's not a conspiracy, it'strue.
Like you know what I'm saying.
He began revealing to me, likewe don't always know what is
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happening behind the scenes, butthe Lord sees everything.
His eyes are His eyes, seeeverything.
And it's our job to just trustHim.
And I think that's why it's soimportant to really cultivate a
true relationship with Him byHis Holy Spirit, because he will
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lead us, he will tell youthings, he will reveal to you.
And he doesn't always tell uswhy.
You know, if he tells us why,well that's great, but he is
like he's not required to tellyou why.
If he says, you don't need tolisten to that.
Yes, Lord, Okay Lord, I willobey you and it's our job to
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trust him.
And you know what I'm saying?
I don't know.
I've got lots of examples ofthings like that.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So you shared.
When you said his eyes, itreminded me of the scripture,
for the eyes of the Lord run toand fro throughout the whole
earth to show himself strong onbehalf of those whose heart is
perfect towards him.
And the rest of it is whereinthou has done foolishly.
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Therefore, from thou shalt havewar.
So that's second chronicles 169.
When you said his eyes aregoing, I that just reminded me
of that scripture.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I had to look it up.
Oh yes, and it's true, it'struth, it's true, it's truth,
it's truth, it's all right therein the Bible.
It is, it's all right there.
I'm like everything we need toknow for life is in there.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, come on the words in the Bible for our
entire life and never go wrongas long as our eyes were fixed
on Jesus.
And I think that that scriptureis so beautiful when you break
it down and you think, wow, youknow God, the literal creator of
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the entire universe, the onewho knit me together in my
mother's womb, the one whoplanned out my whole life from
before I was even a thought, theone who planned out my whole
life from before I was even athought.
He is looking and searching toshow himself strongly in those
whose hearts are perfect towardshim.
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That is just amazing to me.
That is amazing to me that hewould.
He would search for heart, forupright hearts.
Yeah, and those are the willingand obedient vessels that God
desires to use.
And then you have, you know, Imean, you have people who love
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Jesus and love the Lord and wantto serve him with all their
heart.
And then you know, you havepeople, on the other hand, who
say that they love Jesus, whosay that they want to serve him,
but they're dabbling in all ofthese different things, these
doctrines of really doctrines ofdemons, and dabbling in
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practices that I can't findanywhere in the Bible, dabbling
in things that they're justthey're not of God, and when I
think of that like that hurts myheart.
I can't imagine what it does toGod's heart.
You know to know that there arepeople who proclaim him with
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their mouth but their hearts arevery, very, very far from him,
and that's not to like bashpeople who are stuck in, you
know, riding the fence or notreally knowing what is what
that's like.
To bring truth and revelationto the fact that not everything
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that seems like it's of God isof God.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That is so true, that statement right there.
There's so much power in that,because the reality is there are
things that do seem like theyare of god, and even that is in
the scriptures.
It says that satan himself, thedevil, roams around like an
angel of light.
That means roams around like anangel of light.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That means he looks like an angel of light, and if
you don't have the spiritualeyes to discern.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
If you don't have the Holy Spirit and all of his
gifts and one of the things thathe blesses us with is the gift
of the discerning of spirits,the gift of discerning of
spirits if you don't have theHoly Spirit in you and I'll add
to that a obedient, uprightheart that will obey what the
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Holy Spirit's telling you,because he's always talking to
us he will say that's not whatit looks like.
Don't read that book.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Don't take that gift.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know, I think a lot of people do have the
ability to, like you know, movein the discerning of spirits and
then they sort of write it offor ignore it.
For the longest time I didn'tknow any of this was of the
kingdom of God, like, like,honestly, for me, like I grew up
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in church and then I didn't getany answers there, it was very
religious and um, so I left,like the new age scooped me up,
uh, you know, like Satan's plan,and so I started to think that,
oh well, I'm a empath or I'm um, intuitive, or all this kind of
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language.
You know, it's like thelanguage, all this kind of
language that sounds really nice, it sounds very beautiful, but
when you go back to the word ofgod it's not there, and the
reality is that the only powerwe need is the, is the holy
ghost power, like the power ofgod is so much more real than
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anything that these things thatappear godly are.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
oh yeah, and the thing is too, is, you know, when
god does speak to someone who'sdabbling in different kinds of
things, um, when god speaks tothat person, whether he speaks
to their spirit, or he sendssomeone to speak to them, or he
speaks to them through the wordof God, or however he speaks to
someone, you know that personthat he's speaking to has to be
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willing to humble themselves andrecognize when God is speaking
and correct whatever it is.
You know whether they'redabbling or whether they're very
, you know, obviously, doing'redabbling or whether they're, um,
very, you know, obviously doingsomething that's against the
word of God.
Uh, you know, those are timeswhen you have to be willing to
be like oh, you know what I?
I can clearly see that God istrying to speak to me through
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his word, or I can see that he'strying to speak to me through
my friend who just told me thatyou know, this thing that I'm
dabbling in, I need to becareful with it because it's not
of God Like that.
Those moments are where you haveto humble yourself because you
know sometimes what you want tohear and what someone says are
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very different, and you knowthat is the love of god to
correct someone when you seethem being led astray or you see
them practicing somethingthat's not of god.
To say to them, hey, that's notright is actually the most
loving thing that you couldpossibly do.
Because if that personcontinues down the path of being
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led astray, by whateverdoctrine they're following or
whatever you know mixturethey're participating in, the
Bible says that when you bring aperson back from being led
astray, you're saving thatperson's life.
You're saving that person'ssoul and man.
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It's just, it's necessary, it'snecessary and you know, like I
said, not everyone wants to hearthat.
Not everyone's going to humblethemselves when you correct them
or even gently warn them.
But then they'll get so fardown a path I'll turn around and
go wait a minute.
Maybe I should have actuallylistened to that Cause.
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Now I see how this is not doingme any justice or this is not
bringing any fruit to my life.
Now I understand and you knowGod has a, has a plan to redeem
anyone who is led astray.
But you know it goes back tohumbling yourself, because God
can speak to you, he can sendyou signs, he can send you
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people to speak to you, but ifyou're not humble enough to
recognize it and receive it,then you're going to keep
pushing it away, pushing it away, pushing it away, until God you
, you actually dull his voice inyour life because you're not
listening.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, that's so true, and you're reminding me of
something the Lord told me whenI was first coming to know him
through his word.
He told me to just ask him.
He told me to just ask him likethis why would he say that?
So I would read things, um, some, I was someone coming from a
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very new age background, and soI would get to the part that
talks about divination and allthis kind of stuff going on, and
I would just ask, with a veryhumble heart, why would he say
that?
Or you know, some people whohave are really very, um,
anti-christ, anti-god aboutthings like, okay, well, the
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what the scriptures say abouthomosexuality.
He told me to just ask him whywould, why would this very good
god say that?
Why would he say that we can't?
And just approach it that way,with humility?
And then, with that humbleheart, he began to reveal to me
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the answers.
He says that if we ask, he'llgive us the wisdom.
You know, but you're right thatif we avoid him, if we allow
our ears to get dull to him, him, if we allow our hearts to get
very stony, it can be hard to toreceive the wisdom.
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It doesn't mean that he's not,it's not his will for you to
turn.
He wants every one of the oneslike like, we are made in His
image, and I think about that.
We are made in His image, amen.
He created us and it's not Hiswill for any of us to perish,
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and so he wants to redeem that.
There's a plan to redeem that.
But, like you were saying, youknow, we just got to keep our
hearts soft.
We got to keep our spirit sohumble.
You know, we just got to keepour hearts soft.
We got to keep our spirit sohumble, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And, too, if you continue to ignore the leading
of the Holy Spirit or ignore thevoice of God, your heart
becomes callous, and the Biblesays that you'll be turned over
to a reprobate mind.
And if you look into themeaning of reprobate, it
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actually talks about a worthlessmind.
You'll be turned over to aworthless mind, and I don't know
about you, but I don't want aworthless mind Like our mind is.
We have the mind of Christ, andso for him to say that he will
turn us over to a reprobate mindis alarming Like it is.
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It's extremely alarming, andyou know, I think that's
something that as Christians, asyou know, born again, followers
of Jesus Christ, we shouldguard against anything that
would cause us to becomecalloused or, you know, just
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hard-hearted.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, I mean that takes me back to how we started
this conversation.
It's just like a humilitycoming to him.
Lord, is there anything in me?
Am I believing anything?
Right now, that is not of you,because that's the thing about
deception the deceived don'tknow that they're being deceived
, that otherwise they wouldn'tbe walking in a deception.
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When you're deceived, thinkingthat evil is good, right, come
on.
When you're deceived, youwouldn't be in that place if you
understood that you werewalking in deception.
And that's why we must humbleourselves and understand that,
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with all the wisdom andknowledge that we have, it is
the lord who gives wisdom.
It is the Lord who has made mewise, and so I don't want to be
wise in my own eyes.
I want to you know what I'msaying.
I want the wisdom of God, andyou have to approach everything
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like that.
I feel like the longer I walkwith the Lord, the more I it's
like the longer I walk with him,the more that I learn about him
, the more times I go throughthe Bible.
I don't know how else todescribe it, but it's like the
longer I walk with him, the morethat I learn about him, the
more times I go through theBible.
I don't know how to describe it, but it's like the lower I get,
you know, like Amen, I thinkthat the world, like it, seems
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backwards to the world.
It would seem like, ok, themore time in that you get, you
should be.
You should be like so supermature.
And it's not that I'm notmature, you should be like so
super mature.
And it's not that I'm notmature, it's just that the more
I learn about god, the more Iunderstand how much I need him,
how much I still need to knowabout him.
You know, and yeah, we can'tjust walk around like we, we
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know it all.
you know, like what I know, Iknow by the spirit of God, and
that's enough amen, amen.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Well, I mean, think about, like you said you asked
me to buy one more like it's,it's opposite we're.
Like, we're getting lower, it'sopposite of what other.
You know what people wouldthink.
And I, just when you said that,it reminded me of like in the
world's eyes, like we should beelevating, like that's the word
that the world would use iselevating.
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And I see it the same way asyou, like the the more I know
about God, the more of the wordof God that I know I get lower.
And you know, bowing down andgetting low is actually a sign
of honor and respect, and sowhen we get low, then God can be
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lifted high, and actually it's.
John 3.30 says he must increase,but I must decrease.
Well, decreasing is getting low, right?
So I mean, I don't know, like Iwant to be low, I want to be
honoring the King of Kings.
And if we feel that way, thenthink about, you know, the
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angels who are in the throneroom of God, who are bowing down
and casting their crowns beforebefore Jesus.
Like even the angels know thatbowing down is honoring the king
of kings, and so it's such aheavenly perspective to think of
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it that way, but it's necessarybecause then it takes us out of
the driver's seat.
Really, it takes us out of the,the one who is trying to do
everything, and it's saying youknow what, god, I trust you and
I want to honor you, howeverthat looks, however I can.
And you know, like you weresaying wisdom, like I know that
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I would not have wisdom if itwas not for God.
I know that that's a gift fromGod.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I would never in a million years try to say that
the wisdom I have originatedfrom me, because I know it
didn't.
I could study every book in theworld, I could be in school for
the rest of my life and I wouldnever have the wisdom that I
have now, unless by the spiritof God and so man.
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It's just.
It's such a revelation to knowthat what we have, you know,
what we have been given, hascome from him.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yes, so good, so true , and it's reminding me of this
whole conversation.
Really.
It's just reminding me of thefear of the lord, which is its
own subject, right, I think thatwe could like talk about that
for hours and hours and the restof our lives really, but things
in the proverbs it says, um,the fear of the lord is the
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beginning of wisdom, and it'slike I love that because you
have to.
In order to hold this wisdomthat he's giving us, we got to
fear him.
Not fear in the worldly senseof I'm afraid of God, but revere
him.
I'm in awe of him.
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I know that he's God and I'mnot.
I know that he created all this.
I didn't, I didn't do this, Ididn't manifest any of this.
Okay, I know that.
I know that he's the one whoascended.
I read it in the scriptureshe's the one who ascended and he
our spirit.
Yes, he did see this inheavenly places, but the reality
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is we're walking around here onearth, we, we get to pray down
from heaven.
I do believe that, right, but Iknow that god is god, jesus is
lord, he's the king, he's theking, and that kind of heart
posture.
It really changes everything.
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It really helps me.
I'll just talk about myself.
It helps me to take off thelies and the deceptions and some
of the things that this worldis preaching.
I don't have to move like that.
I don't have to go think I'mgoing to manifest.
I don't got to sit in of thesevery works-based things that
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seem like they give power.
They seem like they are godly,but they're not.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's you know you mentioned something.
So, janice, I know that yousaid you came out of New Age, so
you dabbled with New Age.
You're familiar with, you knowthat world, um, and I am, I'm
fairly familiar with it.
I was around a lot of peoplewho were participating in that
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and I was participating in itsome myself, and so I think one
of the you actually mentionedmanifest, okay, and I think that
that's something I want to talkabout, because I think that in
the church world there's a lotof believers, there's a lot of
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born again Christians thatdabble in new age without
realizing that they're dabblingin new age.
And I think you know that's thepurpose of deception, right,
for the enemy to deceive is foryou to not know that you're
being deceived, right, and sothat's something I really want
to talk about, because I thinkthat there's a lot of scriptures
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that are taken out of contextand that cause people to dabble
with these things with themindset that they're actually
practicing the scriptures.
But they're not.
They're actually twisting thescriptures and practicing
deception.
And you mentioned manifest, andI want to talk about that
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because the scripture, I thinkthat is commonly twisted a
little bit is to declare a thingand it'll be established right.
Well, we know that when wedeclare something with our mouth
, mouth God will move heaven andearth by our prayers.
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Right, that scripture is meantto point to prayer and the power
of agreement in prayer, and Ithink sometimes people take that
scripture and they think thatthey can manifest things with
their words in it.
I really do believe that.
You know, people think thatthey're practicing that the
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right way, but they take it justa tiny bit too far.
To where then it becomes newagey and and let me let me
explain it like this so you havepeople on one side who are
saying I declare and decree thatyou're going to be free from
addiction, you're going to befree, you're going to be healed
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with cancer.
I declare you're going to befree from this, free from that,
and you're praying and you'redeclaring over someone health
and you know prosperity and goodthings, good godly things.
But then, on the other hand,there are people who take that
and they begin to twist it fortheir selfish gain.
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And the reason I say that isbecause you'll have people who
say oh, I'm manifesting a newhouse.
I'm manifesting a house that'spaid for, like someone's giving
me a house.
I'm manifesting healing in mybody, I, but do you hear, I, I,
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I, I that that is pride, andwhat made the devil fall?
Come on pride.
So I think that you know it canvery easily cross over to a
practice that is, I'm just gonnasay it, it's demonic yeah, um,
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yeah, say it like it is.
It really is.
It's demonic because you arenot the author of your life.
God is the author and finisherof your faith and of your life,
and so when you try to manifestthings into your life, you
become God in your life, andthat is idolatry, that is
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demonic, that is prideful, it'sevil.
And so I mean I've even heardit hurts my heart to just say
this God.
I have heard leaders, I haveheard very gifted men and women
of God talk about manifestingprosperity, manifesting health,
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manifesting marriage,manifesting marriage,
manifesting children,manifesting I mean the list goes
on and on and on and on.
But I have heard people, men ofgod, many women of god, talk
about manifestation and likecalling you know, oh.
And then another scripture thatpeople twist is calling those
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things which be not as thoughthey are.
And people try to back upmanifestation with that
scripture.
And again it's taking it out ofcontext, because you absolutely
can call your body healed whenit's not healed.
You can call someone free fromdrugs.
When they're not free fromdrugs, you can do those things.
That's calling those thingswhich be not as though they are.
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It's an act of faith.
But when you take it from an actof faith and you switch it over
to I am manifesting a healthyreport, I'm manifesting $10,000
in my bank account, I'mmanifesting my husband to come
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and find me, like again, youbecome God, you become the
author.
Because here's the thing whenyou get that thing that you're
manifesting, where does theglory come from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give God glory Because
you did the work right, you didall the manifesting, you brought
it in right.
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No, god is the one god and yeah, oh, I.
I could just go on and on, butI'm gonna leave it at that
because I think thatmanifestation and you know, uh,
calling things into your life isa very dangerous demonic
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doctrine and it's taken out ofthe context of scripture and
it's dangerous and I just I wantto leave it at that.
But you know, there's evenpeople who consider that like
manifestation, a spiritualawakening, and even that is uh
dangerously demonic it is.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's a doctrine of devils, it's a doctrine of
demons and, yeah, um, I justdon't think that the body of
christ talks about it enough.
Obviously, we want to talkabout the doctrine of jesus
christ, right, but he also toldus don't be ignorant, okay, and
I think about the early church,I mean, they talked about this
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kind of stuff a lot, becausethere was all kind of paganism
going on.
They talked about this kind ofstuff.
They talked about how deceiverswould come, and they talked
about that.
They talked about this, and yet, yet here we are, 2024.
You choose to stand on Bible,like Jesus told us to do, but
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they condemn you for that.
You know what I'm saying, andit's really not about bringing
division.
It is about casting out thelies and the devil, though.
Casting out the lies and thedevil, though, and you know, on
what you said, to be clear, it'slike the only man, like
manifestation.
That word has been hijacked.
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Yeah, the Holy spirit that thatword has been hijacked.
I agree that this word didoriginate with the Lord.
The Holy spirit has hismanifestations of power and
glory, but they're hismanifestations of power and
glory.
The Lord is the one who getsthe glory for these things.
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I loved how you explained that,because that's the difference,
and it is so sneaky and subtlethat unless you pause, you would
miss it completely.
I can see how believers arefalling for this mess.
You know, I can see when you arenot in your word and you're not
allowing the word of God to bethe standard, when you're
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instead allowing what feels good, you're allowing culture,
you're allowing all these otherthings to speak with a louder
voice than what the word of godsaid.
The word of god is how he choseto reveal himself to us.
First and foremost.
I was reading something todayabout how somebody posted about
how there's believers out therewho are saying we don't need to
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rely on the word, because jesusis the word and he lives in me
that is a doctrine of demons,that right there.
You know it's like it's sosubtle.
It's so subtle, but we areliving in times where we have to
pay attention to this kind ofstuff and I want to tell anybody
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listening like don't take ourword for it no, you know no go
to the lord yourself.
You know what I'm saying.
Go to the word go to the word,go to the word.
Jesus christ is the word.
We pick it up.
Read what the word says, seewhat he has to say about this
stuff, and and let the holyspirit begin to teach you,
because that's his job.
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Well, that's a wrap for partone of this episode.
Part two is right behind it.
You can go and listen to thatnow.
But before we end, if you'vegotten this far and I just want
to pray that the Lord wouldabsolutely bless you, absolutely
.
Keep you, absolutely, keep yourheart soft and pure before him.
And if you don't know Jesus butyou want to, or you're just
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curious about what in the worldare these girls talking about?
Your ears are attuned to thethings that you know we're
saying, because you're actuallyhearing him.
That's our prayer.
I don't want you to hearanything else, but the Lord
Jesus, not our opinions.
We want you to hear Jesus.
And if that's you, I pray rightnow and you can pray along with
me that, lord God, I just prayfor that one, that one listening
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right now, who maybe they'refeeling awkward because we're
praying so much in this episode.
Lord, I just ask you to blessthat one.
I thank you for that one and Iask you to deepen their faith,
his or her faith, lord Jesus,whoever this listener is, father
, I thank you, lord, just forthe time.
I thank you, my friend, forlistening to this episode.
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She's back.
Guess what, guys?
I have got a treat for youToday.
I've brought back Dani Kayeonto the episode.
I think this is maybe her thirdtime with us.
Love her or hate her, here sheis, and I think you love her
because every time she's on thepodcast, the analytics are off
the charts.
Maybe you love us together.
(00:22):
Anyways, the treat is that thisis actually a two-part episode
because it was really just aconversation she and I had.
We were actually friends inreal life and we were just
chatting one day, and so we justhit record and it ended up
being like an hour and 20minutes when I put this whole
thing together.
So I've broken it up into twoparts.
You can listen to part one nowand, if you're excited, you can
(00:45):
go ahead and listen to part two,which should be coming out,
like you know, back to back.
Yeah, so let's just run theintro.
Welcome to A New Creationpodcast where we are pointing
women towards victory in Christ,one Jesus story at a time.
I'm your host, jamise.
I absolutely cannot wait tomeet you inside this episode.
Let's go, lord, we thank youfor orchestrating this whole
(01:13):
thing, organizing Danny and I'stime to meet just like this, and
we give this time over to you,lord.
We bind any influence thatwould seek to tamper with what
you're doing not trying to do,but what you're doing.
We just lose that.
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Jeremiah 29, 11 purpose forthis podcast.
Your purpose and plans are good.
They're not of evil.
They're good to bringunexpected and to prosper many
who will hear this message, lord, and we just believe on your
word and we just thank you.
We ask you, lord Jesus, to pouryour oil out over each of us.
(01:58):
Anoint our mouths to speak.
Anoint our tongue, lord, tospeak what is true and what is
good and what is acceptable inyour sight.
Lord, that's my prayer In thematchless name of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Amen, lord, and I also ask that you would think
through our thoughts and speakthrough our mouths, lord, god,
that your purpose and your planwould be fulfilled in this
podcast, that you would haveyour way, that you would speak
to the hearts and minds of thosepeople who are listening and,
lord, that you would demolishstrongholds and demolish lies
(02:36):
that people have believed in thename of Jesus, holy Spirit,
have your way.
I ask that you soften thehearts of those listening, and
even soften my heart and Jameis'heart too.
Lord, whatever you want to do,we're open and we say let your
will be done in.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Jesus' name, as you were praying, what the Lord was.
He was showing me thatsometimes we approach him and
the things of God with a beliefthat we know this already or we
know it already when he wants totake us just that much deeper.
(03:16):
You know, and I think thatsometimes this has been a prayer
point of mine, lord, show me ifthere's pride operating line.
Lord, show me if there's prideoperating.
There's a difference in knowingthe word of god and being able
to stand on it, and we better beable to stand and these days
and times that we're living in,right like you, better know what
the bible says, because peopleout there preaching all these
(03:36):
other kind of different kinds ofjesus, come on, you better know
for yourself, but yeah, forreal there's like a difference
in knowing the word for yourselfin order to stand and deviate
from that and it become like apride issue.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, I know this already but he's trying to show
you more amen, and it can bepride and ego, and I just
recently heard someone say thatego stands for etching God out.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Etching God out.
When we let our ego get in theway of learning new things, when
we let our ego get in the wayof receiving revelation from God
, we are etching God out.
We're saying, nope, I know whatI need to know and I don't need
revelation from God.
Come on.
That's so good.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It just makes me wonder the Lord, you know, am I
operating in any of that?
And I'm so.
Lord, reveal it, let's heal it.
That kind of thing, you know.
(04:55):
It just makes me wonder howmany people are operating out of
their ego towards the things ofGod and their understanding of
him, and they don't even realizeit.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And pride can be really sneaky, like you can
think, oh, I don't have anypride, I'm good, but pride will
sneak up on you in the mostinteresting ways, like.
A really good example of thatis like when you're speaking to
someone and they're talking orthey're sharing something with
(05:27):
you and you cut them off andinterrupt them.
That can sometimes be pride,because you're saying what
you're saying, I already knowwhat you're saying, I don't want
to hear it again and that'sprideful.
And I mean, there's so manylike I could sit here and share.
You know, time after time aftertime, that pride will just try
(05:50):
to slip in there, but it'ssneaky.
So we always got to be on guardto not let that in, because it
can come in ways that we don'teven think oh, that's not pride,
but it is yeah, I mean, look atpeter, right, yep, you know he.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
he walked with jesus, saw him in the flesh, touched
him, ate with him, and stillthought that he knew more than
jesus at certain points.
Right, yeah, come on right, Idon't know.
There there's just a humblingthat the Lord has been leading
(06:31):
Me and I guess in terms ofself-reflection, you know, I
don't know, that's just whatit's kind of knocking around in
my brain.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I can relate.
I can relate.
I mean he's.
He's definitely doing that inin my life too, and he's helping
me to be sure that you knowthere's no inroad for the enemy,
whether it's things that I'vebelieved, or it's things that
I've said, or things that I'veeven watched or like allowed in.
You know, because our eyes arethe window to our soul.
(07:05):
So like we also have to becareful.
What we're letting into oureyes, what we're watching our
ears, what we're listening to,like those are all entry points
for for the enemy.
And so, like he's been helpingme to be very firm about what I
do and don't let in to my spirit, and that has been huge,
because I think it's really easyto overlook things that we
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think are small, like a secularsong.
You know, listening to asecular song to some people
might seem like a small thing,but to me, you know, that's
giving place to the enemy,because you never know what's
behind something.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know yeah, he has been, uh, revealing a lot of
that to me.
So when I I don't, I stillstruggle with how to tell my
story.
I was baptized as a young girl.
I was like 12 or 11, but then Ihad like a jesus moment around
2020.
I've been asking people latelylike what was your pandemic
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story, if it seems like a lot ofpeople had an encounter with
the Lord during the pandemic.
So for me during that time, theLord literally came into my
living room and my life ain'tnever been the same, and what he
started showing me was hestarted showing me like I have
joked that if other people getJesus by walking through the
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front door in the church, theLord had to take me in some
other way.
Because what he started showingme was I had a lot of questions
about why is there so much evilin this world, why is there
like all the murdering, all thiscrazy stuff, all this like why
I was desperately seeking himand he showed me.
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He began to reveal to me allthis kind of weird stuff
happening in politics, all thiskind of weird stuff happening
behind closed doors with recordlabels companies.
He began to show me this kindof stuff, things that other
people like.
They call it conspiracy theory.
But guess what?
It's not a conspiracy, it'strue.
Like you know what I'm saying.
He began revealing to me, likewe don't always know what is
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happening behind the scenes, butthe Lord sees everything.
His eyes are His eyes, seeeverything.
And it's our job to just trustHim.
And I think that's why it's soimportant to really cultivate a
true relationship with Him byHis Holy Spirit, because he will
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lead us, he will tell youthings, he will reveal to you.
And he doesn't always tell uswhy.
You know, if he tells us why,well that's great, but he is
like he's not required to tellyou why.
If he says, you don't need tolisten to that.
Yes, Lord, Okay Lord, I willobey you and it's our job to
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trust him.
And you know what I'm saying?
I don't know.
I've got lots of examples ofthings like that.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So you shared.
When you said his eyes, itreminded me of the scripture,
for the eyes of the Lord run toand fro throughout the whole
earth to show himself strong onbehalf of those whose heart is
perfect towards him.
And the rest of it is whereinthou has done foolishly.
(10:30):
Therefore, from thou shalt havewar.
So that's second chronicles 169.
When you said his eyes aregoing, I that just reminded me
of that scripture.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I had to look it up.
Oh yes, and it's true, it'struth, it's true, it's truth,
it's truth, it's all right therein the Bible.
It is, it's all right there.
I'm like everything we need toknow for life is in there.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, come on the words in the Bible for our
entire life and never go wrongas long as our eyes were fixed
on Jesus.
And I think that that scriptureis so beautiful when you break
it down and you think, wow, youknow God, the literal creator of
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the entire universe, the onewho knit me together in my
mother's womb, the one whoplanned out my whole life from
before I was even a thought, theone who planned out my whole
life from before I was even athought.
He is looking and searching toshow himself strongly in those
whose hearts are perfect towardshim.
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That is just amazing to me.
That is amazing to me that hewould.
He would search for heart, forupright hearts.
Yeah, and those are the willingand obedient vessels that God
desires to use.
And then you have, you know, Imean, you have people who love
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Jesus and love the Lord and wantto serve him with all their
heart.
And then you know, you havepeople, on the other hand, who
say that they love Jesus, whosay that they want to serve him,
but they're dabbling in all ofthese different things, these
doctrines of really doctrines ofdemons, and dabbling in
(12:24):
practices that I can't findanywhere in the Bible, dabbling
in things that they're justthey're not of God, and when I
think of that like that hurts myheart.
I can't imagine what it does toGod's heart.
You know to know that there arepeople who proclaim him with
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their mouth but their hearts arevery, very, very far from him,
and that's not to like bashpeople who are stuck in, you
know, riding the fence or notreally knowing what is what
that's like.
To bring truth and revelationto the fact that not everything
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that seems like it's of God isof God.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That is so true, that statement right there.
There's so much power in that,because the reality is there are
things that do seem like theyare of god, and even that is in
the scriptures.
It says that satan himself, thedevil, roams around like an
angel of light.
That means roams around like anangel of light.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That means he looks like an angel of light, and if
you don't have the spiritualeyes to discern.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
If you don't have the Holy Spirit and all of his
gifts and one of the things thathe blesses us with is the gift
of the discerning of spirits,the gift of discerning of
spirits if you don't have theHoly Spirit in you and I'll add
to that a obedient, uprightheart that will obey what the
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Holy Spirit's telling you,because he's always talking to
us he will say that's not whatit looks like.
Don't read that book.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Don't take that gift.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know, I think a lot of people do have the
ability to, like you know, movein the discerning of spirits and
then they sort of write it offor ignore it.
For the longest time I didn'tknow any of this was of the
kingdom of God, like, like,honestly, for me, like I grew up
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in church and then I didn't getany answers there, it was very
religious and um, so I left,like the new age scooped me up,
uh, you know, like Satan's plan,and so I started to think that,
oh well, I'm a empath or I'm um, intuitive, or all this kind of
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language.
You know, it's like thelanguage, all this kind of
language that sounds really nice, it sounds very beautiful, but
when you go back to the word ofgod it's not there, and the
reality is that the only powerwe need is the, is the holy
ghost power, like the power ofgod is so much more real than
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anything that these things thatappear godly are.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
oh yeah, and the thing is too, is, you know, when
god does speak to someone who'sdabbling in different kinds of
things, um, when god speaks tothat person, whether he speaks
to their spirit, or he sendssomeone to speak to them, or he
speaks to them through the wordof God, or however he speaks to
someone, you know that personthat he's speaking to has to be
(16:01):
willing to humble themselves andrecognize when God is speaking
and correct whatever it is.
You know whether they'redabbling or whether they're very
, you know, obviously, doing'redabbling or whether they're, um,
very, you know, obviously doingsomething that's against the
word of God.
Uh, you know, those are timeswhen you have to be willing to
be like oh, you know what I?
I can clearly see that God istrying to speak to me through
(16:22):
his word, or I can see that he'strying to speak to me through
my friend who just told me thatyou know, this thing that I'm
dabbling in, I need to becareful with it because it's not
of God Like that.
Those moments are where you haveto humble yourself because you
know sometimes what you want tohear and what someone says are
(16:46):
very different, and you knowthat is the love of god to
correct someone when you seethem being led astray or you see
them practicing somethingthat's not of god.
To say to them, hey, that's notright is actually the most
loving thing that you couldpossibly do.
Because if that personcontinues down the path of being
(17:08):
led astray, by whateverdoctrine they're following or
whatever you know mixturethey're participating in, the
Bible says that when you bring aperson back from being led
astray, you're saving thatperson's life.
You're saving that person'ssoul and man.
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It's just, it's necessary, it'snecessary and you know, like I
said, not everyone wants to hearthat.
Not everyone's going to humblethemselves when you correct them
or even gently warn them.
But then they'll get so fardown a path I'll turn around and
go wait a minute.
Maybe I should have actuallylistened to that Cause.
(17:51):
Now I see how this is not doingme any justice or this is not
bringing any fruit to my life.
Now I understand and you knowGod has a, has a plan to redeem
anyone who is led astray.
But you know it goes back tohumbling yourself, because God
can speak to you, he can sendyou signs, he can send you
(18:13):
people to speak to you, but ifyou're not humble enough to
recognize it and receive it,then you're going to keep
pushing it away, pushing it away, pushing it away, until God you
, you actually dull his voice inyour life because you're not
listening.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, that's so true, and you're reminding me of
something the Lord told me whenI was first coming to know him
through his word.
He told me to just ask him.
He told me to just ask him likethis why would he say that?
So I would read things, um, some, I was someone coming from a
(18:51):
very new age background, and soI would get to the part that
talks about divination and allthis kind of stuff going on, and
I would just ask, with a veryhumble heart, why would he say
that?
Or you know, some people whohave are really very, um,
anti-christ, anti-god aboutthings like, okay, well, the
(19:17):
what the scriptures say abouthomosexuality.
He told me to just ask him whywould, why would this very good
god say that?
Why would he say that we can't?
And just approach it that way,with humility?
And then, with that humbleheart, he began to reveal to me
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the answers.
He says that if we ask, he'llgive us the wisdom.
You know, but you're right thatif we avoid him, if we allow
our ears to get dull to him, him, if we allow our hearts to get
very stony, it can be hard to toreceive the wisdom.
(19:58):
It doesn't mean that he's not,it's not his will for you to
turn.
He wants every one of the oneslike like, we are made in His
image, and I think about that.
We are made in His image, amen.
He created us and it's not Hiswill for any of us to perish,
(20:19):
and so he wants to redeem that.
There's a plan to redeem that.
But, like you were saying, youknow, we just got to keep our
hearts soft.
We got to keep our spirit sohumble.
You know, we just got to keepour hearts soft.
We got to keep our spirit sohumble, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And, too, if you continue to ignore the leading
of the Holy Spirit or ignore thevoice of God, your heart
becomes callous, and the Biblesays that you'll be turned over
to a reprobate mind.
And if you look into themeaning of reprobate, it
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actually talks about a worthlessmind.
You'll be turned over to aworthless mind, and I don't know
about you, but I don't want aworthless mind Like our mind is.
We have the mind of Christ, andso for him to say that he will
turn us over to a reprobate mindis alarming Like it is.
(21:20):
It's extremely alarming, andyou know, I think that's
something that as Christians, asyou know, born again, followers
of Jesus Christ, we shouldguard against anything that
would cause us to becomecalloused or, you know, just
(21:41):
hard-hearted.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, I mean that takes me back to how we started
this conversation.
It's just like a humilitycoming to him.
Lord, is there anything in me?
Am I believing anything?
Right now, that is not of you,because that's the thing about
deception the deceived don'tknow that they're being deceived
, that otherwise they wouldn'tbe walking in a deception.
(22:05):
When you're deceived, thinkingthat evil is good, right, come
on.
When you're deceived, youwouldn't be in that place if you
understood that you werewalking in deception.
And that's why we must humbleourselves and understand that,
(22:27):
with all the wisdom andknowledge that we have, it is
the lord who gives wisdom.
It is the Lord who has made mewise, and so I don't want to be
wise in my own eyes.
I want to you know what I'msaying.
I want the wisdom of God, andyou have to approach everything
(22:48):
like that.
I feel like the longer I walkwith the Lord, the more I it's
like the longer I walk with him,the more that I learn about him
, the more times I go throughthe Bible.
I don't know how else todescribe it, but it's like the
longer I walk with him, the morethat I learn about him, the
more times I go through theBible.
I don't know how to describe it, but it's like the lower I get,
you know, like Amen, I thinkthat the world, like it, seems
(23:09):
backwards to the world.
It would seem like, ok, themore time in that you get, you
should be.
You should be like so supermature.
And it's not that I'm notmature, you should be like so
super mature.
And it's not that I'm notmature, it's just that the more
I learn about god, the more Iunderstand how much I need him,
how much I still need to knowabout him.
You know, and yeah, we can'tjust walk around like we, we
(23:33):
know it all.
you know, like what I know, Iknow by the spirit of God, and
that's enough amen, amen.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Well, I mean, think about, like you said you asked
me to buy one more like it's,it's opposite we're.
Like, we're getting lower, it'sopposite of what other.
You know what people wouldthink.
And I, just when you said that,it reminded me of like in the
world's eyes, like we should beelevating, like that's the word
that the world would use iselevating.
(24:01):
And I see it the same way asyou, like the the more I know
about God, the more of the wordof God that I know I get lower.
And you know, bowing down andgetting low is actually a sign
of honor and respect, and sowhen we get low, then God can be
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lifted high, and actually it's.
John 3.30 says he must increase,but I must decrease.
Well, decreasing is getting low, right?
So I mean, I don't know, like Iwant to be low, I want to be
honoring the King of Kings.
And if we feel that way, thenthink about, you know, the
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angels who are in the throneroom of God, who are bowing down
and casting their crowns beforebefore Jesus.
Like even the angels know thatbowing down is honoring the king
of kings, and so it's such aheavenly perspective to think of
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it that way, but it's necessarybecause then it takes us out of
the driver's seat.
Really, it takes us out of the,the one who is trying to do
everything, and it's saying youknow what, god, I trust you and
I want to honor you, howeverthat looks, however I can.
And you know, like you weresaying wisdom, like I know that
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I would not have wisdom if itwas not for God.
I know that that's a gift fromGod.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I would never in a million years try to say that
the wisdom I have originatedfrom me, because I know it
didn't.
I could study every book in theworld, I could be in school for
the rest of my life and I wouldnever have the wisdom that I
have now, unless by the spiritof God and so man.
(26:05):
It's just.
It's such a revelation to knowthat what we have, you know,
what we have been given, hascome from him.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yes, so good, so true , and it's reminding me of this
whole conversation.
Really.
It's just reminding me of thefear of the lord, which is its
own subject, right, I think thatwe could like talk about that
for hours and hours and the restof our lives really, but things
in the proverbs it says, um,the fear of the lord is the
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beginning of wisdom, and it'slike I love that because you
have to.
In order to hold this wisdomthat he's giving us, we got to
fear him.
Not fear in the worldly senseof I'm afraid of God, but revere
him.
I'm in awe of him.
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I know that he's God and I'mnot.
I know that he created all this.
I didn't, I didn't do this, Ididn't manifest any of this.
Okay, I know that.
I know that he's the one whoascended.
I read it in the scriptureshe's the one who ascended and he
our spirit.
Yes, he did see this inheavenly places, but the reality
(27:21):
is we're walking around here onearth, we, we get to pray down
from heaven.
I do believe that, right, but Iknow that god is god, jesus is
lord, he's the king, he's theking, and that kind of heart
posture.
It really changes everything.
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It really helps me.
I'll just talk about myself.
It helps me to take off thelies and the deceptions and some
of the things that this worldis preaching.
I don't have to move like that.
I don't have to go think I'mgoing to manifest.
I don't got to sit in of thesevery works-based things that
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seem like they give power.
They seem like they are godly,but they're not.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's you know you mentioned something.
So, janice, I know that yousaid you came out of New Age, so
you dabbled with New Age.
You're familiar with, you knowthat world, um, and I am, I'm
fairly familiar with it.
I was around a lot of peoplewho were participating in that
(28:49):
and I was participating in itsome myself, and so I think one
of the you actually mentionedmanifest, okay, and I think that
that's something I want to talkabout, because I think that in
the church world there's a lotof believers, there's a lot of
(29:13):
born again Christians thatdabble in new age without
realizing that they're dabblingin new age.
And I think you know that's thepurpose of deception, right,
for the enemy to deceive is foryou to not know that you're
being deceived, right, and sothat's something I really want
to talk about, because I thinkthat there's a lot of scriptures
(29:40):
that are taken out of contextand that cause people to dabble
with these things with themindset that they're actually
practicing the scriptures.
But they're not.
They're actually twisting thescriptures and practicing
deception.
And you mentioned manifest, andI want to talk about that
(30:01):
because the scripture, I thinkthat is commonly twisted a
little bit is to declare a thingand it'll be established right.
Well, we know that when wedeclare something with our mouth
, mouth God will move heaven andearth by our prayers.
(30:25):
Right, that scripture is meantto point to prayer and the power
of agreement in prayer, and Ithink sometimes people take that
scripture and they think thatthey can manifest things with
their words in it.
I really do believe that.
You know, people think thatthey're practicing that the
(30:48):
right way, but they take it justa tiny bit too far.
To where then it becomes newagey and and let me let me
explain it like this so you havepeople on one side who are
saying I declare and decree thatyou're going to be free from
addiction, you're going to befree, you're going to be healed
(31:09):
with cancer.
I declare you're going to befree from this, free from that,
and you're praying and you'redeclaring over someone health
and you know prosperity and goodthings, good godly things.
But then, on the other hand,there are people who take that
and they begin to twist it fortheir selfish gain.
(31:35):
And the reason I say that isbecause you'll have people who
say oh, I'm manifesting a newhouse.
I'm manifesting a house that'spaid for, like someone's giving
me a house.
I'm manifesting healing in mybody, I, but do you hear, I, I,
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I, I that that is pride, andwhat made the devil fall?
Come on pride.
So I think that you know it canvery easily cross over to a
practice that is, I'm just gonnasay it, it's demonic yeah, um,
(32:18):
yeah, say it like it is.
It really is.
It's demonic because you arenot the author of your life.
God is the author and finisherof your faith and of your life,
and so when you try to manifestthings into your life, you
become God in your life, andthat is idolatry, that is
(32:39):
demonic, that is prideful, it'sevil.
And so I mean I've even heardit hurts my heart to just say
this God.
I have heard leaders, I haveheard very gifted men and women
of God talk about manifestingprosperity, manifesting health,
(33:12):
manifesting marriage,manifesting marriage,
manifesting children,manifesting I mean the list goes
on and on and on and on.
But I have heard people, men ofgod, many women of god, talk
about manifestation and likecalling you know, oh.
And then another scripture thatpeople twist is calling those
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things which be not as thoughthey are.
And people try to back upmanifestation with that
scripture.
And again it's taking it out ofcontext, because you absolutely
can call your body healed whenit's not healed.
You can call someone free fromdrugs.
When they're not free fromdrugs, you can do those things.
That's calling those thingswhich be not as though they are.
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It's an act of faith.
But when you take it from an actof faith and you switch it over
to I am manifesting a healthyreport, I'm manifesting $10,000
in my bank account, I'mmanifesting my husband to come
(34:17):
and find me, like again, youbecome God, you become the
author.
Because here's the thing whenyou get that thing that you're
manifesting, where does theglory come from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give God glory Because
you did the work right, you didall the manifesting, you brought
it in right.
(34:38):
No, god is the one god and yeah, oh, I.
I could just go on and on, butI'm gonna leave it at that
because I think thatmanifestation and you know, uh,
calling things into your life isa very dangerous demonic
(35:02):
doctrine and it's taken out ofthe context of scripture and
it's dangerous and I just I wantto leave it at that.
But you know, there's evenpeople who consider that like
manifestation, a spiritualawakening, and even that is uh
dangerously demonic it is.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's a doctrine of devils, it's a doctrine of
demons and, yeah, um, I justdon't think that the body of
christ talks about it enough.
Obviously, we want to talkabout the doctrine of jesus
christ, right, but he also toldus don't be ignorant, okay, and
I think about the early church,I mean, they talked about this
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kind of stuff a lot, becausethere was all kind of paganism
going on.
They talked about this kind ofstuff.
They talked about how deceiverswould come, and they talked
about that.
They talked about this, and yet, yet here we are, 2024.
You choose to stand on Bible,like Jesus told us to do, but
(36:06):
they condemn you for that.
You know what I'm saying, andit's really not about bringing
division.
It is about casting out thelies and the devil, though.
Casting out the lies and thedevil, though, and you know, on
what you said, to be clear, it'slike the only man, like
manifestation.
That word has been hijacked.
(36:26):
Yeah, the Holy spirit that thatword has been hijacked.
I agree that this word didoriginate with the Lord.
The Holy spirit has hismanifestations of power and
glory, but they're hismanifestations of power and
glory.
The Lord is the one who getsthe glory for these things.
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I loved how you explained that,because that's the difference,
and it is so sneaky and subtlethat unless you pause, you would
miss it completely.
I can see how believers arefalling for this mess.
You know, I can see when you arenot in your word and you're not
allowing the word of God to bethe standard, when you're
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instead allowing what feels good, you're allowing culture,
you're allowing all these otherthings to speak with a louder
voice than what the word of godsaid.
The word of god is how he choseto reveal himself to us.
First and foremost.
I was reading something todayabout how somebody posted about
how there's believers out therewho are saying we don't need to
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rely on the word, because jesusis the word and he lives in me
that is a doctrine of demons,that right there.
You know it's like it's sosubtle.
It's so subtle, but we areliving in times where we have to
pay attention to this kind ofstuff and I want to tell anybody
(38:01):
listening like don't take ourword for it no, you know no go
to the lord yourself.
You know what I'm saying.
Go to the word go to the word,go to the word.
Jesus christ is the word.
We pick it up.
Read what the word says, seewhat he has to say about this
stuff, and and let the holyspirit begin to teach you,
because that's his job.
(38:23):
Well, that's a wrap for partone of this episode.
Part two is right behind it.
You can go and listen to thatnow.
But before we end, if you'vegotten this far and I just want
to pray that the Lord wouldabsolutely bless you, absolutely
.
Keep you, absolutely, keep yourheart soft and pure before him.
And if you don't know Jesus butyou want to, or you're just
(38:46):
curious about what in the worldare these girls talking about?
Your ears are attuned to thethings that you know we're
saying, because you're actuallyhearing him.
That's our prayer.
I don't want you to hearanything else, but the Lord
Jesus, not our opinions.
We want you to hear Jesus.
And if that's you, I pray rightnow and you can pray along with
me that, lord God, I just prayfor that one, that one listening
(39:09):
right now, who maybe they'refeeling awkward because we're
praying so much in this episode.
Lord, I just ask you to blessthat one.
I thank you for that one and Iask you to deepen their faith,
his or her faith, lord Jesus,whoever this listener is, father
, I thank you, lord, just forthe time.
I thank you, my friend, forlistening to this episode.
(39:33):
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Bye.
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