March 22, 2025 • 54 mins
Tucked within ancient scriptures, philosophical musings, and even secular thought lies transformative wisdom that can change our perspective in an instant.
This episode invites you into an intimate exploration of the quotations that have profoundly shaped our hosts' spiritual journeys.
Rabbi Stuart shares his personal maxim—"Choose your theology carefully, because it will paint you into a corner you'll never get out of"—alongside the liberating perspective from Ecclesiastes that "time and chance happen to them all." This wisdom frees us from the theological trap that blames God or questions our worthiness when random misfortunes strike.
Rudy Kong offers "The magic you're looking for is in the work you're avoiding"—a secular gem with profound spiritual implications about how we procrastinate on the very things that would transform our lives. Father Mario Arroyo transports us into a powerful visualization of living for "an audience of one" in God alone, while Dr. David Capes unpacks C.S. Lewis's revolutionary understanding of humility as "thinking of yourself less" rather than "thinking less of yourself."
What begins as a simple sharing of favorite sayings evolves into a rich exploration of how we comprehend suffering through Job's questioning, the relationship between faith and reason, and the delicate balance between studying and thinking. These aren't mere quotable phrases but lifelines that have guided our hosts through their darkest doubts and greatest joys.
What pithy wisdom has become your life's cornerstone? Share your own guiding quotation with us and join our continuing conversation about the words that shape our faith journeys.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I've got to
beware.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
(00:29):
Everybody look what's goingdown.
There's battle lines beingdrawn.
Nobody's right if everybody'swrong.
(00:49):
Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance From behind everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Welcome to A Show of Faith on AM 1070 Answer, where
our minister, priest millennialand rabbi discuss events in the
news or anything of interest toreligion that we feel like
talking about Our priest'sfather, Mario Arroyo.
I'm here, it feels like an echo.
(01:31):
It feels like an echo.
The reverend is David Capes Canyou hear an echo I hear a
little bit of an echo.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm hearing a ton of echo.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I am Rabbi.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Stuart Federo and Rudy Kong is our millennial
alien.
Now it feels muffled.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Oh well, I feel.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, here we go, it's one or the other.
Yes, rudy, he's there.
Oh, there, he is Okay.
Yes, can he definitely hear you?
Yeah, we can.
Yes, rudy, he's there.
Oh, there, he is Okay.
Yes, can definitely hear you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, we can yes.
Hey, welcome.
Where are you now?
Are you back in Guatemala?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I am in Guatemala, Ah excellent, excellent, excellent
.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We are in Guatemala.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So tonight Rabbi is sitting in the Watch him all
along.
So Tonight Rabbi, yes, Issitting in the director's chair.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yes, I am the show director tonight.
Yes, when I was a kid, I usedto write down what I thought
were cool sayings, pithy littlesayings, okay, okay, or poetry
that struck me, pithy littlesayings, okay, or poetry that
struck me.
And I just think that thesesmall, short little phrases pack
(02:54):
a powerful punch, have a lot ofmeaning and touch us to our
souls.
And so I thought that tonightwhat we would do is give our
favorite quotations and talkabout them.
I agree.
All right, so since it's myidea, we'll see how it goes Now.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
these are not just our favorite quotations, but our
favorite religious quotations.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Or they are secular quotations that we feel have
religious importance.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Wisdom, they're wisdom quotations.
Wisdom Like wisdom import.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wisdom.
They're wisdom quotations.
Wisdom Like wisdom, literature.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Wisdom Like when you come to a fork in the road, take
it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Thank you, that's a good one.
That's Yogi Berra, right.
Thank you, yogi.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
He was a sports person, Mario.
You wouldn't know anythingabout that no I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All right.
Well, I wouldn't know.
I will lead this off, I guess.
And that's to say that let mepreface by saying this I have a
favorite saying of my own, whichyou've heard me say, which is
choose your theology carefully,because it will paint you into a
(04:05):
corner you will never get outof.
Choose your theology carefully,because it will paint you into
a corner you'll never get out of.
And I've used the example thatpeople hold to a theology, and
it can be.
I'm a good person, I'm arighteous person, I do
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everything my religion demandsof me.
Therefore I should geteverything I want, and then, all
of a sudden, when they don'tget what they want, their
theology makes them questiontheir own goodness.
Am I really a good person?
Maybe I'm not a good person,maybe I'm not as pious as I
think I should be or think I am.
And this is a quote, one of mymost favorite quotations from
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the Bible, which is Ecclesiastes9.11.
I returned and saw under thesun that the race is not to the
swift, nor the battle to thestrong, neither yet bread to the
wise, nor yet riches to men ofunderstanding, nor yet favor to
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men of skill.
But time and chance happens tothem all, and to me that's a
very freeing, upliftingquotation because it tells me
that yes, believe god is incontrol, but I don't have to
blame god when bad things happen.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And bad things are going to happen.
What?
Where is that in the scriptures?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
ecclesiastes, chapter 9, verse 11 9 oh 9, 11, and
that's the only reason I canremember the chapter and verse.
But it it's, it's saying thatit's not always God who's doing
this to you.
Sometimes random things happen.
Okay, they occur, and you don'thave to think God cursed me,
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god condemned me to whateverthis is happening.
I didn't blink right andtherefore God's condemning me.
It could be chance, and so Ilove that quotation.
Chance, sometimes Time andchance happens to us all, and
sometimes you know it's not fateor the will of God.
(06:19):
Or sometimes chance happens tomisquote the bumper sticker that
you'll see.
Sometimes Chance happens.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay, yes, it does happen Right.
Very good, I like that Rabbi.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I love that quotation and it kind of goes with the
idea of choose your theologycarefully, because it will paint
you into a corner you'll neverget out of, because if you think
I'm good, therefore I geteverything I want I mean not
that anybody really thinksthey're good, but you know what
I'm saying if you say I'm good,therefore I get what I want, you
don't get what you want, thenyou're.
(06:54):
You're in a corner now whereyou have to figure out.
Maybe god hates me, maybe youknow, and it doesn't always work
that way yeah, exactly, I loveit.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, no, that's good .
So Ecclesiastes you said onetime Ecclesiastes is your
favorite book.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
It is my favorite book of the Bible, not just for
that quote, but there are other.
For many it is as well.
Right right.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
All right, should we go to the millennial next?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Now in Guatemala, Millennial.
Let's hear from you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I have a few, so I don't know if should I just
start with like maybe one or two, just one.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
We're going to take turns.
It'll either take 10 seconds or10 hours.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I'm going to go with a secular one, because I have
some Bible ones too and I havesongs from saints.
But I listened to a podcast andI heard this I didn't pick up I
don't remember where, but itjust always kind of stuck with
me and it says the magic you arelooking for is in the work
(07:59):
you're avoiding.
The magic you're looking for isin the work you're avoiding.
The magic you're looking for isin the work you're avoiding.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
The magic you're looking for is in the work you
are avoiding, is in the work youare avoiding.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
The magic you're looking for is in the work
you're avoiding.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, to me it's kind of like this old Chinese
proverb too, and it translatesweird, but it says swallow the
toad in the morning, and it's soI don't know.
It kind of speaks to me becauseI've always had an issue with
procrastination and just kind ofputting things off and putting
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things off and putting thingsoff and and it.
And I remember this, even goingback to school and especially
college.
You know, I would just kind ofwait for the last moment to to
write a paper or to finish thisor or not really study when I
needed to, and it would juststress me out.
And whenever I started kind ofswitching things around and and
(09:05):
I just kind of remember mymother really always saying you
know, the moment you think youneed to do something, do it.
This whole thing where you justkind of put it off.
You know, so many people haveall these great ideas and all
these plans and all these things, but all they ever do is just
talk about it.
(09:26):
They don't actually do the work, right.
They don't actually plan, theydon't execute, they don't put
the thing together, and so Ijust find that so, so curious,
right.
It's like people say, oh, Iwant to be fit, okay, well.
Do you go to the gym?
No, okay, well then.
Well then, why, right?
I mean, the thing that you'relooking for is in the work that
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you're avoiding Right, and in somany of my cases not in my case
, but in my case I wanted to getan A in the test.
Okay, well, did you study ordid you wait for the last second
?
You know to kind of go overthings and then just work under
pressure.
No, I worked, okay.
Kind of go over things and thenjust work under pressure no, I
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work, okay.
So there you go.
You know you want to be astraight-a student, you want to
excel at your job.
You want to be it.
It just it takes preparationand it takes work.
There's nothing.
There's nothing easy in thislife.
These things aren't just givento you.
As much as you can be born witha silver spoon in your mouth,
you know it's.
It's easy to lose a fortune,it's easy to throw things out,
and I've seen it with familymembers and people.
(10:29):
I know so it's.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know, there's a, it's kind of the same.
There's a quote that I wasn'tgoing to use, but it's kind of
like that and my mom always usedto say it, and at first when I
say it, people say what?
The lazy man works twice ashard.
Yeah, exactly Because you haveto do it over.
You have to do it over.
(10:53):
I hear that all the time.
Try to do something lazy andthen I have to do it over again.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
From Ben Franklin A Stitch in Time.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh, really Stage nine .
Same kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, A Stitch in in time saves nine.
So you do the stitch now or youdo it later and it will cost
you nine stitches to do it Right.
You know, if you stop and thinkabout it, it's like the same.
I was just going to say it'slike the same that we have
Measure twice, not once, Right,right.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah for doing the work, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Rudy, if you stop and think about it, the paper you
did, that you put the mosteffort in, is what you value the
most.
The things that come easy, thatyou didn't work on, you really
don't value.
But what makes you the mostproud is the a that you worked
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your tush off for.
Yeah, if it come, if it comeseasy, you take it for granted.
It's what you work on, that youvalue yeah indeed, and in hard
work, you know, whatever you did, the most work on the hardest
work on that's what you're goingto probably be the most proud
of.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean, there are a number of proverbs about
this and one is in Proverbs,chapter 8, go to the ant O
sluggard and consider his ways.
In other words, consider theant and consider the work that
is done.
But you know, a little, alittle, a little, uh, sleeping,
a little folding of the hands torest, and suddenly poverty
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comes upon you.
You know, if you just sit backand you just wait, and you just
wait for somebody to dosomething for you, if you don't
get the work done, if you don'tput in the work.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Poverty is going to overtake you.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So it's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So there is a religious text about that.
Yes, well, if we knew what wewere going to say beforehand, we
could have looked it up in thebiblical equipment no but I
think it's better the way we doit now.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
We're just echoing each other.
The wisdom that is coming outof the four of our mouths is
vituperousness.
What, what was that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
word, it's mine, I just made it up.
It's like a viper, vipers.
It's like a viper.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Isn't there a word called vituperous?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yes, I don't know what it means.
I don't think it's the rightword, though, for what you're
saying Don't look at me.
I'm not sure either what doesvituperous mean Gosh, you've got
to go back and look.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
All right, do you have one, Father Mario?
We've got a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
We have a minute Do you have a.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
What we're doing is we're looking at favorite
sayings.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, that each of us have well, I bet you we could
go to break early.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I've got one real quick, okay, you?
Gotta be right, st Augustine.
In order to discover thecharacter of people, we only
have to observe what they love.
You really want to know thecharacter of a person?
Look at what they love.
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What they love will tell youwhat they love.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And you said that's Aquinas.
No, augustine, yeah, augustine.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's from a book called the City of God that he
wrote.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
My favorite Augustine one is you have made us for
yourself, o Lord, and our heartsare restless until they rest in
you.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh, you took more than mine, man.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Gosh, I thought that was one you were going to bring.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
No, I'm just kidding.
You've quoted that one before.
I got plenty more.
I got plenty more.
Let's go to a break.
Come back and Father Marioit'll be your turn.
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
Turn.
Everything turn, turn, turn.
There is a season, turn, turn,turn, and a time to every
purpose under heaven, a time tobe born, a time to die a time to
plant, a time to reap, a timeto kill, a time to heal, a time
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to laugh, a time to weep.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith.
That's not a bad quote to keepin mind either.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Oh, the microphone sounds better, not mine, no,
okay.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's just your voice.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Rabbi, that must be it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, my quote is actually a very short quote, but
it is I would say it is thecentral theme of my life.
What's that?
Now it feels like there's ait's a feedback.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It sounds like.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
There it is.
Whatever it was, now it's back.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Okay, we'll ignore it Ignore it.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay, the quote that I base my life on is you have to
live your life for an audienceof one.
Now here's the background tothat.
I have a little self-createdparable that I kind of fantasize
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about.
I always imagine myself to bethe lone actor in a play and I
am on stage.
On stage, and in front of methere is a theater that is full
of people, Full of people.
The people on my left arebooing me.
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They're saying Father Mario,you're the worst priest in the
world.
Get off, we don't want to seeyou anymore.
The people on the right-handside are saying Father Mario,
you are the best priest we'veever met.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You're wonderful.
And then the people in thecenter ever met.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
You're wonderful.
And then the people in thecenter are asleep.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
They're all what Asleep, asleep.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And they're snoring.
So the question I put beforemyself is who should I act for?
Who is my audience?
Does my audience the people whohate me?
Should I try to change theirminds?
Should I keep playing just forthe people who like me because
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they are the ones and ignore theother people and try to get
these people to like me more?
Or should I try to wake upthese people who are in front of
me and the answer is none ofthem?
There's a in the back of thetheater, right by the exit sign.
You can barely see his face.
There's a little old man, andthat little old man is god, and
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he is my only audience, and so Ihave to keep my eyes on him,
regardless of whether thesepeople throw tomatoes or they
throw roses or they snore me todeath.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Mario, a hundred years ago I went to, I think,
one of maybe two conventionsI've ever been to and got into a
conversation with someone abouta religious concept.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I can't imagine that conversation with someone about
a religious concept and the canimagine that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, well, this is a Jewish convention, mind you.
Okay, not sure I want to admitthat.
Okay, but the issue.
The issue was interfaithmarriage, and I have chosen my
career not to perform it becausethey are, in fact, against
Jewish law and tradition.
I'm sure there are peoplelistening who will radically
disagree with that, but theperson I was discussing this
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with felt that, as the hirelingof the congregation, the
employee of the congregation, Ihad to do the will of the people
, of the board, of the powersthat be, and his statement was I
work for him.
And you reminded me with thatquote.
My response to him was no, Iwork for God and for Judaism.
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You just pay my bill.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
That's why it drives me bananas when I hear people
and a lot of people say thisabout Catholic priests or
actually about others that youhave to be a person who lives
for others, that you have togive your life to others.
And I fundamentally disagreewith, as do I I you don't.
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I did not become a priestbecause I wanted to live for
others.
I didn't even become a priestbecause I wanted to serve others
.
I became a priest because I wasgiven a task, a mission from
God, and my mission is from Godand I must proclaim his word.
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And whenever I deal with anyone, I'm not dealing with that
person alone.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I'm dealing with that person like God, exactly, I
don't work for you.
I work for God in Judaism.
You only pay my bills.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
There's one that happened to me about ten years
ago I had a lady who wastremendously angry at me.
I can't imagine why would theyeven think that.
I just think they saw thebeauty in my face and were
jealous.
But anyway, she was so angry atme, so angry and because I said
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, ma'am, I'm sorry, she was soangry and she said, how dare you
?
And I said, ma'am, I'm muchmore afraid of God than I am of
you, just that and that kind ofshut her up.
She actually demanded she was abig contributor to the parish
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and I said, well, I've been inthis parish for a long time and
I want I should have some extra.
And I said, no, if you wouldlike, I will look up your
contributions and I'll give youevery penny back.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And she just kind of but that's the way it's not
really yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
So, anyway, that's my first one.
Exactly, I like it.
I know we've got to go to abreak here.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Let me do another short one here.
This is I mean as a Protestant.
One of the most quotable peopleof the last century has been CS
Lewis, who wrote a ton of books, and this is what he wrote.
He wrote about humility.
Stuart, are you listening?
Yes, Okay are you listening?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I don't know why I have to.
I'm terribly humble.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh I know, True humility is not thinking less of
yourself.
It's thinking of yourself less.
True humility is not thinkingless of yourself, less of
yourself, less Not thinking lessof yourself.
I'm adding that to mycollection.
Yeah, less.
In other words, if you'rethinking about yourself all the
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time, you're always thinkingabout how this affects you.
That's not humility, right.
It's self hatred, real, real.
Yeah, I mean, it's narcissism,really.
That's what you're doing.
You're thinking of yourself allthe time and how this affects
you and how you think about thatand how you feel about that.
Blah, blah, blah.
If that's it, then that's nothumility.
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Real humility means I'mthinking of God and I'm thinking
of what God has me to do.
I'm thinking, in a sense, ofothers.
I'd have to go back and playwith that idea, but thinking of
God's call, god's mission andjust the beauty of the world
that God's created.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
More often than I'm thinking about myself, think
about yourself less See what Imeant by not others, at least
for you and me, probablysomewhat a application for you,
but as Christians, thedifference between Christianity
and social work is I don't dowhat I do to another person
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because they are the otherperson, it's because I see
Christ in them.
It's interesting because in theCatholic understanding there's
interesting because in the inthe Catholic understanding,
there's a part in the mass thatsays that we give you thanks on,
lord, for allowing us to seekto be in this life and to serve
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you.
To minister, no, to minister toyou.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So what's the whole?
Say the whole thing again.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I can't remember.
You switched it in the middle.
I'll look it up.
I'll look it up.
Come back, We've got to go towherever.
This is 1070 KNTH and we'll beright back.
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Speaker 1 (28:21):
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long.
I'm wondering if your love'sstill strong.
Ooh baby, here I am, signed,sealed, delivered from yours.
Then that time I went and saidgoodbye.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
Answer New microphone sittingin a different place.
You sound better.
I think I do.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, you do.
Let me read to you this partthat I thought.
It just amazes me every time.
I say it, because I say itevery Sunday.
After the consecration, thegospel goes.
Therefore, as we celebrate thememorial of his death and
resurrection, we offer you, Lord, the bread of life and the
chalice of salvation and listen,giving thanks that you have
(29:27):
held us worthy to be in yourpresence and minister to you.
Notice he doesn't say to others,it says giving thanks that you
have held us worthy to be inyour presence and minister to
you.
I've always found thattremendously interesting.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Well, I mean in the Protestant tradition.
Typically we call it a worshipservice.
It doesn't mean a series ofthings that you do.
It is a service to God, that'sright, it is a service to God.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
In Hebrew, the word for prayer service is service.
The word for prayer is service.
The word for prayer, let'srephrase that.
The word for religious service,okay, is avodah, ah, which is
like to serve someone.
You know, we think of servicesas something religious, rote,
(30:26):
you know, repetitive, whatever.
But the word service is aboda,work, effort, effort, right.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Evit is a servant or slave.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, I mean.
We use the term liturgia, thework of the people, which is
what liturgy is.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Work, work of the people.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's part of the work that we do.
We work in service unto God Allright.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Okay, who's next?
I think I'm next.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You're next, all right, this is totally secular.
I just personally think it hasreligious implications.
Well, everything Okay, andyou've heard it, but you may not
realize this.
The poem is Robert Browning,okay, and the title to the poem
(31:21):
is Rabbi Ben Ezra, okay.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And this is very meaningful to me.
So I'm sentimental.
Wait a minute, I just lost it,okay, rabbi Ben Ezra by Robert
Browning, this is only the firstof like 30 stanzas or something
, and you'll recognize it.
(31:48):
Grow old along with me.
The best is yet to be.
The last of life for which thefirst was made.
Our times are in his hand.
Who saith a hole?
I planned youth shows, but halfTrust God, see all.
Nor be afraid.
Youth shows, but half Trust GodSee all, nor be afraid, that's
(32:08):
very good.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yes, that is profound .
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It is very profound because most people will and it
is.
I believe it is because part ofhis relationship with Elizabeth
Brown Grow old, grow old alongwith me.
The best is, take the grow oldalong with me.
The best is yet to be the lastof life for which the first was
made.
But the whole quotation of thisfirst stanza to the whole poem
(32:33):
is our times are in God's handand God made a whole.
Not just you know the romanticpart of relationship when you
first begin and your heart islight and everything's perfect,
or whatever, but the ups, thedowns, the, the mountains, the
valleys, it's, it's a whole puttogether and I just I love the
(32:58):
image.
God sees the whole.
God's god created the whole,not just the first part, but the
last part, not just the goodpart, that where you're strong
and you're able.
But you know I'm walking on acane.
Okay, we get old.
Yeah, you know, our aches andpains start showing a little bit
more and more every second orwhatever.
(33:18):
So to me it is.
It is a statement of absolutetrust in God to me.
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
So why do you think that's secular?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
No, no, I think the first Robert Browning was
anything but secular.
Okay, but I think that thefirst part people hear as
secular and they've never evenheard.
Our times are in his hand.
Who saith a whole?
I planned youth shows, but halftrust God, see all, nor be
afraid.
I think that's an importantpart of the poem that's
(33:58):
completely lost on people.
Yeah, yeah, and the idea thathe named this poem Rabbi Ben
Ezra, I think, is even more.
What's the verb to make it morereligious?
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
David, you have not had a solid block of time.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I have, have I not?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
No, you have not.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I thought I had no Okay, so go Okay, all right.
Again.
Cs Lewis not, no, you have not.
I thought I had no okay, sookay, all right.
Uh again.
Cs lewis.
This is one of my favorite cslewis quotes, and cs lewis was
both a literary critic as wellas an apologist for christianity
.
An author and an author.
Yeah, wrote lots and lots ofbooks, but this is one of any.
(34:42):
You know his most famous booksare are the Chronicles of Narnia
, and there's so many things Icould quote from there.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You don't think Mere Christianity is far more popular
?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I don't think it is.
I think more people will haveheard of.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Chronicles of Narnia Right because of the movies and
stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Nobody's made a movie out of.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Mere Christianity, no , but they did make it out of uh
his love story right and andjoy davidson as well.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Lewis said this, and I think it's very, very profound
, and and the same thing couldbe said of judaism, I think.
Um, but he's writing as achristian.
I believe in christianity, as Ibelieve that the sun has risen,
not only because I see it, butbecause by it I see everything
(35:30):
else.
To me, that's a very profoundkind of idea Would you say it
again yeah, I believe inChristianity, as I believe that
the sun has risen, not onlybecause I see it, but because by
it I see everything else.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I could say that about Judaism, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Absolutely.
I figured you could.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I figured you could.
I would venture to say anybodyof any religion could substitute
their own religion.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
They might be able to .
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Because the religious community is supposed to see
everything through the eyes oftheir faith.
I believe, Rudy's turn.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Rudy oh Lord.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
That's very close man andreligious, my friends all have
Porsches, I must make a bet man.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Okay, that's very close, man and religious.
My friends all have Porsches.
I must make amends, commends,okay.
So I'm going to go with abiblical one here, and this one
came about.
There was a point in my time, apoint in time in my life where
I was really obsessed with let'sjust call it knowledge.
(36:48):
I just wanted to knoweverything about the cosmos and
creation and physics and quantum.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
And I just kept trying to feel, feel, feel, feel
.
And I just kept trying to feel,feel, feel, feel.
And I don't know why.
But I just stopped and I readthe book of Job and there's this
part in the book of Job wherethis is in chapter 38.
It's kind of towards the endand Job's already gone through a
(37:24):
lot of things and Job's, youknow, he's clamoring, literally
clamoring right, and he justdoesn't understand.
And it says Then the Lord spoketo Job out of the storm.
He said who is this thatobscures my plans with words
(37:50):
without knowledge, braceyourself like a man.
And the verse kind of keeps ongoing right, and he's
questioning and questioning Job.
And Job is just sort of silent,right, I mean, he doesn't have
all these answers.
And I remember reading that andit just sort of hit me like a
(38:15):
freight train and there wasreally a sense of peace that
came about.
It.
That was sort of just serenebecause I realized that there is
never going to be a point intime where I just understand
everything.
There's never going to be apoint in time where I understand
(38:37):
all the machinations of theworld, the creation of God and
why, and this, and it was okay,and it was okay.
And it was okay and it wasn'tgoing to stress me anymore and I
wasn't going to be freaking outabout it, because I used to get
these things would really keepme up at night.
I mean, I don't know ifanybody's ever, or if you guys,
(38:58):
kind of went through this, but Iwould sit there and I would
just research and research andresearch and through this.
But you know, I would sit thereand I would just research and
research and research and, andsometimes I would kind of throw
myself into a panic attackalmost just trying to figure
things out.
Like, okay, I just, and forsome regard there was there was
a lot of hubris in that, right,I mean a real lack of humility,
because it's funny, here I amtrying to fit the ocean in in my
(39:19):
little bucket.
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
It's funny that you say it that way, because I went
through exactly the same thing,except that for me, what I did
is I gave up on reading Forabout.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
You gave it up, I just gave up studying.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Because I figured I could never know it all, so what
was the use of trying?
So I gave up and I just didn'tcare anymore to read, to study
the more I tried to know, theless I knew yeah because every
time I would read, the morequestions I would have.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, that's part of ecclesiastes too yeah, I just
said well, I mean, that's whatJob, job's all about.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
How can you?
I mean, where were you when Ilaid the foundation?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
he's throwing the power and the glory at him yeah,
yeah, how can you figure thisstuff?
Speaker 3 (40:18):
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Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, we'll come back to this.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
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Answer.
So Rudy, all of you, gentlemen,that's not where the message of
Job ends.
There's more to it than that.
It doesn't stop with God, as wesaid earlier, throwing the
power and glory at Job.
Where were you when I laid outthe Big Dipper, the Pleiades?
(43:21):
That's not where it ends,because to me, what is the most
significant is Job 42, verseseven.
Job 42, verse 7.
And it was so that, after theEternal had spoken these words
to Job, the Eternal said toEliphaz the Tamanite my wrath is
kindled against you and againstyour two friends, for you have
(43:42):
not spoken of me, the thing thatis right, as my servant Job has
.
So, even though Job could neverunderstand the workings of the
universe, even though Job willnever understand things from the
view of God, he's right to askthe questions.
(44:04):
That's correct.
He's right to say where is thejustice?
And to demand justice, evenfrom God, even though he'll
never understand.
That's right.
It's 42.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
And to me that's the message of Job Well he didn't
say what the message with Jobwas.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
What he said was this is what had touched him when he
read it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Well, yes, You're right, but to me, what touched
me about Job was something else.
How's that?
Say it again.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
At the end he multiplies everything to Job.
Right, because he never spokeill against God, you know.
So you're right.
I mean you got to read thewhole thing, I just.
I think to me it was it's Ireflect on it now and it was in
some sense I was trying to sortof understand more and more and
(44:55):
more and more and more about god, too.
Right, because I would readtheology books and then I got
into theology study and we'redoing all this history and we're
reading the, the old churchfathers and all this, and at the
end you know, kind of kind ofgoing back to what David said
and this is another.
(45:16):
So I kind of took over.
But something that St John ofthe Cross said is is at the end
of your life, you will bemeasured on how you love, and it
says it a little different inSpanish, but fundamentally we
can sit here.
It doesn't matter how much mathI know and how much we can talk
(45:37):
about quantum things or howmuch I can rattle off about
history.
At the end of the day it's howdid I love my brother, how did I
love my sister, that personthat shared that image and
likeness of God?
And to me it was just and Ikind of God and to me it was
just and I kind of had the samereaction with Saul DeMar.
I just like stopped reading forlike months.
(45:59):
I was just like I'm done, likeI don't even know, I'm done with
this.
It's just ridiculous.
What else do I need to do?
Speaker 4 (46:04):
I think we all go through that at some point.
We just we kind of we growweary, you know, of that and of
the pursuit.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
And you know an ancillary part of that that goes
with it is I went through aperiod where God was saying to
me you are so in love with thequestions that you don't want
the answers.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Ooh, ooh Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
In other words, because I love philosophy.
God was saying to me that faithis where my answer is going to
be, but I was loving thequestion so much that I didn't
want them to end.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
But I would argue, part of the answer is the fact
of asking the question.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
It is.
But the fact is that the finalanswer is not going to be verbal
, St Augustine.
It's going to be a trust.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
St Augustine.
In order to discover thecharacter of a people, we have
only to observe what they love,that's right.
Do we love the answer?
Do we love the question?
Yeah, do we love the faith?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Or do we love the people for whom we're asking and
answering the question?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
We could do that, yeah, but the ultimate thing is
the love of God, not the love ofthe answers, because the
answers are all verbal.
God is one of the answers, yes,but God is a person.
He is not a problem to besolved.
I think that's what I wasgetting.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
I am not a problem to be solved.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I am a relationship that you must have with me.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
So God is not reason, god is beyond reason, he's a
person.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
God is not reason.
God is person who is reasonable, but he is not reason.
God is beyond reason.
He's a person.
God is not reason.
God is person who is reasonable, but he is a person.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
You talked about the word the logos.
Exactly.
Praise and purpose.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, but God's, in other words, God is personal.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes, personal, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
He is a person.
Right, I am a person, I am aperson, I am a reasonable person
, but you can most of the time,most of the time there have been
.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Sometimes you've been very unreasonable in this, in
this booth mario's looking at uslike what are you talking about
?
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I don't understand what you're even saying I will
now give you my last one.
Okay, your last.
There's.
My last one Is this your lastrights.
Yeah, god forbid.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
No, no, no, just kidding Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
To study without thinking is a waste of time.
To think without studying is anextreme danger.
Say it again To think withoutstudy, to study without thinking
, to study without thinking, tostudy without thinking.
Is a waste of time, is a wasteof time.
Okay To think without studyingis an extreme danger.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
All right Explain.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, there's a lot of people who think a lot, but
they only think a lot aboutstuff that they're totally
misinformed by Right and they'renot studying it, and they're
not studying it.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
And they're not studying it and that is
dangerous that is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I constantly tell people when I'm preaching and
teaching.
I say I want you to stopreading the Bible, and people
are sort of shocked.
I say no, I don't want you toread it anymore, I want you to
study it.
There's a big differencebetween reading and studying.
If you're going to study, thengreat, but reading it just for
(49:38):
the sake of reading it doesn'tdo you anything.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
It doesn't do you anything.
I heard one time of thedifference between really
reading and actually reading.
Did you really read that?
Yes, I really read it, but didyou actually read it?
In other words, did you give itsome thought while you were
reading it?
I have, I don't know about youguys, but sometimes I'm reading
something and reading somethingand reading something, and then
(50:01):
all of a sudden, what have Ijust?
Read.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Right, have to reread it or have to reread it Right.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Now, that means that I'm reading it, yes, but I'm not
actually reading it.
I'm not getting it, I'm notcomprehending it.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
And so that's.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, you would be surprisedhow often somebody has said to
me well, I've read the Biblefive and six times all the way
through, I know it cold, and Iwill ask them the most basic,
elemental, simple question.
I have no idea.
Oh, but I've read it a hundred.
You know I'm not, I know itcold.
And the simplest basic questionright over their head oh, like.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
What would you ask?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
why did Adam and Eve get kicked out of the Garden of
Eden?
It's explicitly stated in theBible.
It's's in Genesis.
It's right there, and they'llwell, they sinned.
Where does it say that?
It explicitly says they werekicked out of the Garden of Eden
to separate them from the treeof life so they would not become
immortal.
(51:07):
It says that In that way.
Therefore, the Lord God sentthem forth from the Garden of
Eden.
It's right there, no, but I'veread it a hundred times In that
way.
Yeah, therefore, the Lord Godsent them forth from the Garden
of.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Eden, yeah, yeah, it's right there.
No, but I've read it 100 times,but see, you've probably read
it 200 times, maybe.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Feels like it.
There's probably no doubt.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
All right, all right, how many more minutes we got
left, rudy, do you have anothershort one, because we're just
about down to a short one.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Are we down to or short one, or down to a short
one?
Rudy, you have one, I've got ashort one.
Yeah, okay, there was a timewhere she was cleaning uh pots
and she was cleaning dishes andshe went into a uh type of
ecstasy, right as she'sdescribing this.
But anyway, the scene goes likethis God walks among the pots
(52:00):
and pans.
And to me, what I take from itGod walks among the pots and
pans is even in the most menialof tasks perceived menial tasks
that we do during our day, wecan offer it all in God's name.
(52:22):
Everything, everything.
When our baby's crying, whenwe're cleaning dishes, when
we're doing laundry, when we'resitting in traffic, every single
moment is just an opportunityto transcend, to take you to
that special communion with God.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Here's a shorty, a little poem, a little saying
from St Teresa of Avila, the onethat Rudy said.
Yeah, she said From superficialdevotions and sour-faced saints
, gracious Lord deliver us and Iwanted to ask you to bring them
.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Would you say it?
Speaker 3 (52:58):
again From superficial devotions and
sour-faced saints.
Gracious Lord, deliver us.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Love it, love it.
That's from St Teresa.
This is my favorite poem fromEE Cummings, ee, cummings.
Do you know EE Cummings?
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Wonderful poet.
The title of the poem is FleasAdam Hadham, that's it.
He said that that's an actualpoem.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
That's a poem, yeah, it rhymes Adam, adam, adam.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
That's an actual poem .
That's a poem.
Yeah, it rhymes Adam Adam, adam.
He was a masterful poet in somany ways, with punctuation and
all kinds of crazy stuff.
But anyway, that's notnecessarily religious, but I
mean, you know, adam had them.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay, folks, we are in the last minute.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
All right.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Who's in charge next week?
Speaker 4 (53:50):
I think Rudy is.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
No, I think he just went.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Was it Rudy?
No, no.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
No, no, no, it's either Mario or I think it's
Mario.
Actually it is me.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
Mario, it is Mario.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Mario.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Okay, did you have something we wanted to say
quickly?
Speaker 2 (54:09):
It's not quick, it's a quotation, but it's a great
poem.
Short, but it's too much time.
It's too much time Next week.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Next week.
Okay, folks, we are at the endof our show.
We hope you've enjoyed this.
We're going to do this a littlemore regularly.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah, I think these sayings are really helpful.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
We're going to try to do it, maybe once a month, it'd
be cool it.
Yeah, we're going to try to doit, maybe once a month.
It'd be cool.
It'd be cool.
I'll set it up, don't worry,I'm the manager here.
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Welcome to A Show of Faith on AM 1070 Answer, where
our minister, priest millennialand rabbi discuss events in the
news or anything of interest toreligion that we feel like
talking about Our priest'sfather, Mario Arroyo.
I'm here, it feels like an echo.
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It feels like an echo.
The reverend is David Capes Canyou hear an echo I hear a
little bit of an echo.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm hearing a ton of echo.
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I'm hearing.
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I am Rabbi.
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Stuart Federo and Rudy Kong is our millennial
alien.
Now it feels muffled.
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Oh well, I feel.
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Well, here we go, it's one or the other.
Yes, rudy, he's there.
Oh, there, he is Okay.
Yes, can he definitely hear you?
Yeah, we can.
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Oh, there, he is Okay.
Yes, can definitely hear you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, we can yes.
Hey, welcome.
Where are you now?
Are you back in Guatemala?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I am in Guatemala, Ah excellent, excellent, excellent
.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We are in Guatemala.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So tonight Rabbi is sitting in the Watch him all
along.
So Tonight Rabbi, yes, Issitting in the director's chair.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yes, I am the show director tonight.
Yes, when I was a kid, I usedto write down what I thought
were cool sayings, pithy littlesayings, okay, okay, or poetry
that struck me, pithy littlesayings, okay, or poetry that
struck me.
And I just think that thesesmall, short little phrases pack
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a powerful punch, have a lot ofmeaning and touch us to our
souls.
And so I thought that tonightwhat we would do is give our
favorite quotations and talkabout them.
I agree.
All right, so since it's myidea, we'll see how it goes Now.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
these are not just our favorite quotations, but our
favorite religious quotations.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Or they are secular quotations that we feel have
religious importance.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Wisdom, they're wisdom quotations.
Wisdom Like wisdom import.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wisdom.
They're wisdom quotations.
Wisdom Like wisdom, literature.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Wisdom Like when you come to a fork in the road, take
it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Thank you, that's a good one.
That's Yogi Berra, right.
Thank you, yogi.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
He was a sports person, Mario.
You wouldn't know anythingabout that no I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All right.
Well, I wouldn't know.
I will lead this off, I guess.
And that's to say that let mepreface by saying this I have a
favorite saying of my own, whichyou've heard me say, which is
choose your theology carefully,because it will paint you into a
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corner you will never get outof.
Choose your theology carefully,because it will paint you into
a corner you'll never get out of.
And I've used the example thatpeople hold to a theology, and
it can be.
I'm a good person, I'm arighteous person, I do
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everything my religion demandsof me.
Therefore I should geteverything I want, and then, all
of a sudden, when they don'tget what they want, their
theology makes them questiontheir own goodness.
Am I really a good person?
Maybe I'm not a good person,maybe I'm not as pious as I
think I should be or think I am.
And this is a quote, one of mymost favorite quotations from
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the Bible, which is Ecclesiastes9.11.
I returned and saw under thesun that the race is not to the
swift, nor the battle to thestrong, neither yet bread to the
wise, nor yet riches to men ofunderstanding, nor yet favor to
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men of skill.
But time and chance happens tothem all, and to me that's a
very freeing, upliftingquotation because it tells me
that yes, believe god is incontrol, but I don't have to
blame god when bad things happen.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And bad things are going to happen.
What?
Where is that in the scriptures?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
ecclesiastes, chapter 9, verse 11 9 oh 9, 11, and
that's the only reason I canremember the chapter and verse.
But it it's, it's saying thatit's not always God who's doing
this to you.
Sometimes random things happen.
Okay, they occur, and you don'thave to think God cursed me,
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god condemned me to whateverthis is happening.
I didn't blink right andtherefore God's condemning me.
It could be chance, and so Ilove that quotation.
Chance, sometimes Time andchance happens to us all, and
sometimes you know it's not fateor the will of God.
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Or sometimes chance happens tomisquote the bumper sticker that
you'll see.
Sometimes Chance happens.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay, yes, it does happen Right.
Very good, I like that Rabbi.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I love that quotation and it kind of goes with the
idea of choose your theologycarefully, because it will paint
you into a corner you'll neverget out of, because if you think
I'm good, therefore I geteverything I want I mean not
that anybody really thinksthey're good, but you know what
I'm saying if you say I'm good,therefore I get what I want, you
don't get what you want, thenyou're.
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You're in a corner now whereyou have to figure out.
Maybe god hates me, maybe youknow, and it doesn't always work
that way yeah, exactly, I loveit.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, no, that's good .
So Ecclesiastes you said onetime Ecclesiastes is your
favorite book.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
It is my favorite book of the Bible, not just for
that quote, but there are other.
For many it is as well.
Right right.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
All right, should we go to the millennial next?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Now in Guatemala, Millennial.
Let's hear from you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I have a few, so I don't know if should I just
start with like maybe one or two, just one.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
We're going to take turns.
It'll either take 10 seconds or10 hours.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I'm going to go with a secular one, because I have
some Bible ones too and I havesongs from saints.
But I listened to a podcast andI heard this I didn't pick up I
don't remember where, but itjust always kind of stuck with
me and it says the magic you arelooking for is in the work
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you're avoiding.
The magic you're looking for isin the work you're avoiding.
The magic you're looking for isin the work you're avoiding.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
The magic you're looking for is in the work you
are avoiding, is in the work youare avoiding.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
The magic you're looking for is in the work
you're avoiding.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, to me it's kind of like this old Chinese
proverb too, and it translatesweird, but it says swallow the
toad in the morning, and it's soI don't know.
It kind of speaks to me becauseI've always had an issue with
procrastination and just kind ofputting things off and putting
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things off and putting thingsoff and and it.
And I remember this, even goingback to school and especially
college.
You know, I would just kind ofwait for the last moment to to
write a paper or to finish thisor or not really study when I
needed to, and it would juststress me out.
And whenever I started kind ofswitching things around and and
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I just kind of remember mymother really always saying you
know, the moment you think youneed to do something, do it.
This whole thing where you justkind of put it off.
You know, so many people haveall these great ideas and all
these plans and all these things, but all they ever do is just
talk about it.
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They don't actually do the work, right.
They don't actually plan, theydon't execute, they don't put
the thing together, and so Ijust find that so, so curious,
right.
It's like people say, oh, Iwant to be fit, okay, well.
Do you go to the gym?
No, okay, well then.
Well then, why, right?
I mean, the thing that you'relooking for is in the work that
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you're avoiding Right, and in somany of my cases not in my case
, but in my case I wanted to getan A in the test.
Okay, well, did you study ordid you wait for the last second
?
You know to kind of go overthings and then just work under
pressure.
No, I worked, okay.
Kind of go over things and thenjust work under pressure no, I
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work, okay.
So there you go.
You know you want to be astraight-a student, you want to
excel at your job.
You want to be it.
It just it takes preparationand it takes work.
There's nothing.
There's nothing easy in thislife.
These things aren't just givento you.
As much as you can be born witha silver spoon in your mouth,
you know it's.
It's easy to lose a fortune,it's easy to throw things out,
and I've seen it with familymembers and people.
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I know so it's.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know, there's a, it's kind of the same.
There's a quote that I wasn'tgoing to use, but it's kind of
like that and my mom always usedto say it, and at first when I
say it, people say what?
The lazy man works twice ashard.
Yeah, exactly Because you haveto do it over.
You have to do it over.
(10:53):
I hear that all the time.
Try to do something lazy andthen I have to do it over again.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
From Ben Franklin A Stitch in Time.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh, really Stage nine .
Same kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, A Stitch in in time saves nine.
So you do the stitch now or youdo it later and it will cost
you nine stitches to do it Right.
You know, if you stop and thinkabout it, it's like the same.
I was just going to say it'slike the same that we have
Measure twice, not once, Right,right.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah for doing the work, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Rudy, if you stop and think about it, the paper you
did, that you put the mosteffort in, is what you value the
most.
The things that come easy, thatyou didn't work on, you really
don't value.
But what makes you the mostproud is the a that you worked
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your tush off for.
Yeah, if it come, if it comeseasy, you take it for granted.
It's what you work on, that youvalue yeah indeed, and in hard
work, you know, whatever you did, the most work on the hardest
work on that's what you're goingto probably be the most proud
of.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean, there are a number of proverbs about
this and one is in Proverbs,chapter 8, go to the ant O
sluggard and consider his ways.
In other words, consider theant and consider the work that
is done.
But you know, a little, alittle, a little, uh, sleeping,
a little folding of the hands torest, and suddenly poverty
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comes upon you.
You know, if you just sit backand you just wait, and you just
wait for somebody to dosomething for you, if you don't
get the work done, if you don'tput in the work.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Poverty is going to overtake you.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So it's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So there is a religious text about that.
Yes, well, if we knew what wewere going to say beforehand, we
could have looked it up in thebiblical equipment no but I
think it's better the way we doit now.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
We're just echoing each other.
The wisdom that is coming outof the four of our mouths is
vituperousness.
What, what was that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
word, it's mine, I just made it up.
It's like a viper, vipers.
It's like a viper.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Isn't there a word called vituperous?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yes, I don't know what it means.
I don't think it's the rightword, though, for what you're
saying Don't look at me.
I'm not sure either what doesvituperous mean Gosh, you've got
to go back and look.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
All right, do you have one, Father Mario?
We've got a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
We have a minute Do you have a.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
What we're doing is we're looking at favorite
sayings.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, that each of us have well, I bet you we could
go to break early.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I've got one real quick, okay, you?
Gotta be right, st Augustine.
In order to discover thecharacter of people, we only
have to observe what they love.
You really want to know thecharacter of a person?
Look at what they love.
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What they love will tell youwhat they love.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And you said that's Aquinas.
No, augustine, yeah, augustine.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's from a book called the City of God that he
wrote.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
My favorite Augustine one is you have made us for
yourself, o Lord, and our heartsare restless until they rest in
you.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh, you took more than mine, man.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Gosh, I thought that was one you were going to bring.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
No, I'm just kidding.
You've quoted that one before.
I got plenty more.
I got plenty more.
Let's go to a break.
Come back and Father Marioit'll be your turn.
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Turn.
Everything turn, turn, turn.
There is a season, turn, turn,turn, and a time to every
purpose under heaven, a time tobe born, a time to die a time to
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Speaker 2 (17:40):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith.
That's not a bad quote to keepin mind either.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Oh, the microphone sounds better, not mine, no,
okay.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's just your voice.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Rabbi, that must be it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, my quote is actually a very short quote, but
it is I would say it is thecentral theme of my life.
What's that?
Now it feels like there's ait's a feedback.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It sounds like.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
There it is.
Whatever it was, now it's back.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Okay, we'll ignore it Ignore it.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay, the quote that I base my life on is you have to
live your life for an audienceof one.
Now here's the background tothat.
I have a little self-createdparable that I kind of fantasize
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about.
I always imagine myself to bethe lone actor in a play and I
am on stage.
On stage, and in front of methere is a theater that is full
of people, Full of people.
The people on my left arebooing me.
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They're saying Father Mario,you're the worst priest in the
world.
Get off, we don't want to seeyou anymore.
The people on the right-handside are saying Father Mario,
you are the best priest we'veever met.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You're wonderful.
And then the people in thecenter ever met.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
You're wonderful.
And then the people in thecenter are asleep.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
They're all what Asleep, asleep.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And they're snoring.
So the question I put beforemyself is who should I act for?
Who is my audience?
Does my audience the people whohate me?
Should I try to change theirminds?
Should I keep playing just forthe people who like me because
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they are the ones and ignore theother people and try to get
these people to like me more?
Or should I try to wake upthese people who are in front of
me and the answer is none ofthem?
There's a in the back of thetheater, right by the exit sign.
You can barely see his face.
There's a little old man, andthat little old man is god, and
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he is my only audience, and so Ihave to keep my eyes on him,
regardless of whether thesepeople throw tomatoes or they
throw roses or they snore me todeath.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Mario, a hundred years ago I went to, I think,
one of maybe two conventionsI've ever been to and got into a
conversation with someone abouta religious concept.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I can't imagine that conversation with someone about
a religious concept and the canimagine that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, well, this is a Jewish convention, mind you.
Okay, not sure I want to admitthat.
Okay, but the issue.
The issue was interfaithmarriage, and I have chosen my
career not to perform it becausethey are, in fact, against
Jewish law and tradition.
I'm sure there are peoplelistening who will radically
disagree with that, but theperson I was discussing this
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with felt that, as the hirelingof the congregation, the
employee of the congregation, Ihad to do the will of the people
, of the board, of the powersthat be, and his statement was I
work for him.
And you reminded me with thatquote.
My response to him was no, Iwork for God and for Judaism.
(21:43):
You just pay my bill.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
That's why it drives me bananas when I hear people
and a lot of people say thisabout Catholic priests or
actually about others that youhave to be a person who lives
for others, that you have togive your life to others.
And I fundamentally disagreewith, as do I I you don't.
(22:07):
I did not become a priestbecause I wanted to live for
others.
I didn't even become a priestbecause I wanted to serve others
.
I became a priest because I wasgiven a task, a mission from
God, and my mission is from Godand I must proclaim his word.
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And whenever I deal with anyone, I'm not dealing with that
person alone.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I'm dealing with that person like God, exactly, I
don't work for you.
I work for God in Judaism.
You only pay my bills.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
There's one that happened to me about ten years
ago I had a lady who wastremendously angry at me.
I can't imagine why would theyeven think that.
I just think they saw thebeauty in my face and were
jealous.
But anyway, she was so angry atme, so angry and because I said
(23:06):
, ma'am, I'm sorry, she was soangry and she said, how dare you
?
And I said, ma'am, I'm muchmore afraid of God than I am of
you, just that and that kind ofshut her up.
She actually demanded she was abig contributor to the parish
(23:26):
and I said, well, I've been inthis parish for a long time and
I want I should have some extra.
And I said, no, if you wouldlike, I will look up your
contributions and I'll give youevery penny back.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And she just kind of but that's the way it's not
really yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
So, anyway, that's my first one.
Exactly, I like it.
I know we've got to go to abreak here.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Let me do another short one here.
This is I mean as a Protestant.
One of the most quotable peopleof the last century has been CS
Lewis, who wrote a ton of books, and this is what he wrote.
He wrote about humility.
Stuart, are you listening?
Yes, Okay are you listening?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I don't know why I have to.
I'm terribly humble.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh I know, True humility is not thinking less of
yourself.
It's thinking of yourself less.
True humility is not thinkingless of yourself, less of
yourself, less Not thinking lessof yourself.
I'm adding that to mycollection.
Yeah, less.
In other words, if you'rethinking about yourself all the
(24:31):
time, you're always thinkingabout how this affects you.
That's not humility, right.
It's self hatred, real, real.
Yeah, I mean, it's narcissism,really.
That's what you're doing.
You're thinking of yourself allthe time and how this affects
you and how you think about thatand how you feel about that.
Blah, blah, blah.
If that's it, then that's nothumility.
(24:54):
Real humility means I'mthinking of God and I'm thinking
of what God has me to do.
I'm thinking, in a sense, ofothers.
I'd have to go back and playwith that idea, but thinking of
God's call, god's mission andjust the beauty of the world
that God's created.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
More often than I'm thinking about myself, think
about yourself less See what Imeant by not others, at least
for you and me, probablysomewhat a application for you,
but as Christians, thedifference between Christianity
and social work is I don't dowhat I do to another person
(25:34):
because they are the otherperson, it's because I see
Christ in them.
It's interesting because in theCatholic understanding there's
interesting because in the inthe Catholic understanding,
there's a part in the mass thatsays that we give you thanks on,
lord, for allowing us to seekto be in this life and to serve
(25:56):
you.
To minister, no, to minister toyou.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So what's the whole?
Say the whole thing again.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I can't remember.
You switched it in the middle.
I'll look it up.
I'll look it up.
Come back, We've got to go towherever.
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Speaker 1 (28:21):
Oh yeah, baby, Like a cold-heart, went and stayed too
long.
I'm wondering if your love'sstill strong.
Ooh baby, here I am, signed,sealed, delivered from yours.
Then that time I went and saidgoodbye.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
Answer New microphone sittingin a different place.
You sound better.
I think I do.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, you do.
Let me read to you this partthat I thought.
It just amazes me every time.
I say it, because I say itevery Sunday.
After the consecration, thegospel goes.
Therefore, as we celebrate thememorial of his death and
resurrection, we offer you, Lord, the bread of life and the
chalice of salvation and listen,giving thanks that you have
(29:27):
held us worthy to be in yourpresence and minister to you.
Notice he doesn't say to others,it says giving thanks that you
have held us worthy to be inyour presence and minister to
you.
I've always found thattremendously interesting.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Well, I mean in the Protestant tradition.
Typically we call it a worshipservice.
It doesn't mean a series ofthings that you do.
It is a service to God, that'sright, it is a service to God.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
In Hebrew, the word for prayer service is service.
The word for prayer is service.
The word for prayer, let'srephrase that.
The word for religious service,okay, is avodah, ah, which is
like to serve someone.
You know, we think of servicesas something religious, rote,
(30:26):
you know, repetitive, whatever.
But the word service is aboda,work, effort, effort, right.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Evit is a servant or slave.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, I mean.
We use the term liturgia, thework of the people, which is
what liturgy is.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Work, work of the people.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's part of the work that we do.
We work in service unto God Allright.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Okay, who's next?
I think I'm next.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You're next, all right, this is totally secular.
I just personally think it hasreligious implications.
Well, everything Okay, andyou've heard it, but you may not
realize this.
The poem is Robert Browning,okay, and the title to the poem
(31:21):
is Rabbi Ben Ezra, okay.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And this is very meaningful to me.
So I'm sentimental.
Wait a minute, I just lost it,okay, rabbi Ben Ezra by Robert
Browning, this is only the firstof like 30 stanzas or something
, and you'll recognize it.
(31:48):
Grow old along with me.
The best is yet to be.
The last of life for which thefirst was made.
Our times are in his hand.
Who saith a hole?
I planned youth shows, but halfTrust God, see all.
Nor be afraid.
Youth shows, but half Trust GodSee all, nor be afraid, that's
(32:08):
very good.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yes, that is profound .
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It is very profound because most people will and it
is.
I believe it is because part ofhis relationship with Elizabeth
Brown Grow old, grow old alongwith me.
The best is, take the grow oldalong with me.
The best is yet to be the lastof life for which the first was
made.
But the whole quotation of thisfirst stanza to the whole poem
(32:33):
is our times are in God's handand God made a whole.
Not just you know the romanticpart of relationship when you
first begin and your heart islight and everything's perfect,
or whatever, but the ups, thedowns, the, the mountains, the
valleys, it's, it's a whole puttogether and I just I love the
(32:58):
image.
God sees the whole.
God's god created the whole,not just the first part, but the
last part, not just the goodpart, that where you're strong
and you're able.
But you know I'm walking on acane.
Okay, we get old.
Yeah, you know, our aches andpains start showing a little bit
more and more every second orwhatever.
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So to me it is.
It is a statement of absolutetrust in God to me.
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
So why do you think that's secular?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
No, no, I think the first Robert Browning was
anything but secular.
Okay, but I think that thefirst part people hear as
secular and they've never evenheard.
Our times are in his hand.
Who saith a whole?
I planned youth shows, but halftrust God, see all, nor be
afraid.
I think that's an importantpart of the poem that's
(33:58):
completely lost on people.
Yeah, yeah, and the idea thathe named this poem Rabbi Ben
Ezra, I think, is even more.
What's the verb to make it morereligious?
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
David, you have not had a solid block of time.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I have, have I not?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
No, you have not.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I thought I had no Okay, so go Okay, all right.
Again.
Cs Lewis not, no, you have not.
I thought I had no okay, sookay, all right.
Uh again.
Cs lewis.
This is one of my favorite cslewis quotes, and cs lewis was
both a literary critic as wellas an apologist for christianity
.
An author and an author.
Yeah, wrote lots and lots ofbooks, but this is one of any.
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You know his most famous booksare are the Chronicles of Narnia
, and there's so many things Icould quote from there.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You don't think Mere Christianity is far more popular
?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I don't think it is.
I think more people will haveheard of.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Chronicles of Narnia Right because of the movies and
stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Nobody's made a movie out of.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Mere Christianity, no , but they did make it out of uh
his love story right and andjoy davidson as well.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Lewis said this, and I think it's very, very profound
, and and the same thing couldbe said of judaism, I think.
Um, but he's writing as achristian.
I believe in christianity, as Ibelieve that the sun has risen,
not only because I see it, butbecause by it I see everything
(35:30):
else.
To me, that's a very profoundkind of idea Would you say it
again yeah, I believe inChristianity, as I believe that
the sun has risen, not onlybecause I see it, but because by
it I see everything else.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I could say that about Judaism, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Absolutely.
I figured you could.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I figured you could.
I would venture to say anybodyof any religion could substitute
their own religion.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
They might be able to .
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Because the religious community is supposed to see
everything through the eyes oftheir faith.
I believe, Rudy's turn.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Rudy oh Lord.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
That's very close man andreligious, my friends all have
Porsches, I must make a bet man.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Okay, that's very close, man and religious.
My friends all have Porsches.
I must make amends, commends,okay.
So I'm going to go with abiblical one here, and this one
came about.
There was a point in my time, apoint in time in my life where
I was really obsessed with let'sjust call it knowledge.
(36:48):
I just wanted to knoweverything about the cosmos and
creation and physics and quantum.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
And I just kept trying to feel, feel, feel, feel
.
And I just kept trying to feel,feel, feel, feel.
And I don't know why.
But I just stopped and I readthe book of Job and there's this
part in the book of Job wherethis is in chapter 38.
It's kind of towards the endand Job's already gone through a
(37:24):
lot of things and Job's, youknow, he's clamoring, literally
clamoring right, and he justdoesn't understand.
And it says Then the Lord spoketo Job out of the storm.
He said who is this thatobscures my plans with words
(37:50):
without knowledge, braceyourself like a man.
And the verse kind of keeps ongoing right, and he's
questioning and questioning Job.
And Job is just sort of silent,right, I mean, he doesn't have
all these answers.
And I remember reading that andit just sort of hit me like a
(38:15):
freight train and there wasreally a sense of peace that
came about.
It.
That was sort of just serenebecause I realized that there is
never going to be a point intime where I just understand
everything.
There's never going to be apoint in time where I understand
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all the machinations of theworld, the creation of God and
why, and this, and it was okay,and it was okay.
And it was okay and it wasn'tgoing to stress me anymore and I
wasn't going to be freaking outabout it, because I used to get
these things would really keepme up at night.
I mean, I don't know ifanybody's ever, or if you guys,
(38:58):
kind of went through this, but Iwould sit there and I would
just research and research andresearch and through this.
But you know, I would sit thereand I would just research and
research and research and, andsometimes I would kind of throw
myself into a panic attackalmost just trying to figure
things out.
Like, okay, I just, and forsome regard there was there was
a lot of hubris in that, right,I mean a real lack of humility,
because it's funny, here I amtrying to fit the ocean in in my
(39:19):
little bucket.
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
It's funny that you say it that way, because I went
through exactly the same thing,except that for me, what I did
is I gave up on reading Forabout.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
You gave it up, I just gave up studying.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Because I figured I could never know it all, so what
was the use of trying?
So I gave up and I just didn'tcare anymore to read, to study
the more I tried to know, theless I knew yeah because every
time I would read, the morequestions I would have.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, that's part of ecclesiastes too yeah, I just
said well, I mean, that's whatJob, job's all about.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
How can you?
I mean, where were you when Ilaid the foundation?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
he's throwing the power and the glory at him yeah,
yeah, how can you figure thisstuff?
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Answer.
So Rudy, all of you, gentlemen,that's not where the message of
Job ends.
There's more to it than that.
It doesn't stop with God, as wesaid earlier, throwing the
power and glory at Job.
Where were you when I laid outthe Big Dipper, the Pleiades?
(43:21):
That's not where it ends,because to me, what is the most
significant is Job 42, verseseven.
Job 42, verse 7.
And it was so that, after theEternal had spoken these words
to Job, the Eternal said toEliphaz the Tamanite my wrath is
kindled against you and againstyour two friends, for you have
(43:42):
not spoken of me, the thing thatis right, as my servant Job has
.
So, even though Job could neverunderstand the workings of the
universe, even though Job willnever understand things from the
view of God, he's right to askthe questions.
(44:04):
That's correct.
He's right to say where is thejustice?
And to demand justice, evenfrom God, even though he'll
never understand.
That's right.
It's 42.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
And to me that's the message of Job Well he didn't
say what the message with Jobwas.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
What he said was this is what had touched him when he
read it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Well, yes, You're right, but to me, what touched
me about Job was something else.
How's that?
Say it again.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
At the end he multiplies everything to Job.
Right, because he never spokeill against God, you know.
So you're right.
I mean you got to read thewhole thing, I just.
I think to me it was it's Ireflect on it now and it was in
some sense I was trying to sortof understand more and more and
(44:55):
more and more and more about god, too.
Right, because I would readtheology books and then I got
into theology study and we'redoing all this history and we're
reading the, the old churchfathers and all this, and at the
end you know, kind of kind ofgoing back to what David said
and this is another.
(45:16):
So I kind of took over.
But something that St John ofthe Cross said is is at the end
of your life, you will bemeasured on how you love, and it
says it a little different inSpanish, but fundamentally we
can sit here.
It doesn't matter how much mathI know and how much we can talk
(45:37):
about quantum things or howmuch I can rattle off about
history.
At the end of the day it's howdid I love my brother, how did I
love my sister, that personthat shared that image and
likeness of God?
And to me it was just and Ikind of God and to me it was
just and I kind of had the samereaction with Saul DeMar.
I just like stopped reading forlike months.
(45:59):
I was just like I'm done, likeI don't even know, I'm done with
this.
It's just ridiculous.
What else do I need to do?
Speaker 4 (46:04):
I think we all go through that at some point.
We just we kind of we growweary, you know, of that and of
the pursuit.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
And you know an ancillary part of that that goes
with it is I went through aperiod where God was saying to
me you are so in love with thequestions that you don't want
the answers.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Ooh, ooh Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
In other words, because I love philosophy.
God was saying to me that faithis where my answer is going to
be, but I was loving thequestion so much that I didn't
want them to end.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
But I would argue, part of the answer is the fact
of asking the question.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
It is.
But the fact is that the finalanswer is not going to be verbal
, St Augustine.
It's going to be a trust.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
St Augustine.
In order to discover thecharacter of a people, we have
only to observe what they love,that's right.
Do we love the answer?
Do we love the question?
Yeah, do we love the faith?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Or do we love the people for whom we're asking and
answering the question?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
We could do that, yeah, but the ultimate thing is
the love of God, not the love ofthe answers, because the
answers are all verbal.
God is one of the answers, yes,but God is a person.
He is not a problem to besolved.
I think that's what I wasgetting.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
I am not a problem to be solved.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I am a relationship that you must have with me.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
So God is not reason, god is beyond reason, he's a
person.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
God is not reason.
God is person who is reasonable, but he is not reason.
God is beyond reason.
He's a person.
God is not reason.
God is person who is reasonable, but he is a person.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
You talked about the word the logos.
Exactly.
Praise and purpose.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, but God's, in other words, God is personal.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes, personal, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
He is a person.
Right, I am a person, I am aperson, I am a reasonable person
, but you can most of the time,most of the time there have been
.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Sometimes you've been very unreasonable in this, in
this booth mario's looking at uslike what are you talking about
?
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I don't understand what you're even saying I will
now give you my last one.
Okay, your last.
There's.
My last one Is this your lastrights.
Yeah, god forbid.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
No, no, no, just kidding Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
To study without thinking is a waste of time.
To think without studying is anextreme danger.
Say it again To think withoutstudy, to study without thinking
, to study without thinking, tostudy without thinking.
Is a waste of time, is a wasteof time.
Okay To think without studyingis an extreme danger.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
All right Explain.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, there's a lot of people who think a lot, but
they only think a lot aboutstuff that they're totally
misinformed by Right and they'renot studying it, and they're
not studying it.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
And they're not studying it and that is
dangerous that is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I constantly tell people when I'm preaching and
teaching.
I say I want you to stopreading the Bible, and people
are sort of shocked.
I say no, I don't want you toread it anymore, I want you to
study it.
There's a big differencebetween reading and studying.
If you're going to study, thengreat, but reading it just for
(49:38):
the sake of reading it doesn'tdo you anything.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
It doesn't do you anything.
I heard one time of thedifference between really
reading and actually reading.
Did you really read that?
Yes, I really read it, but didyou actually read it?
In other words, did you give itsome thought while you were
reading it?
I have, I don't know about youguys, but sometimes I'm reading
something and reading somethingand reading something, and then
(50:01):
all of a sudden, what have Ijust?
Read.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Right, have to reread it or have to reread it Right.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Now, that means that I'm reading it, yes, but I'm not
actually reading it.
I'm not getting it, I'm notcomprehending it.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
And so that's.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, you would be surprisedhow often somebody has said to
me well, I've read the Biblefive and six times all the way
through, I know it cold, and Iwill ask them the most basic,
elemental, simple question.
I have no idea.
Oh, but I've read it a hundred.
You know I'm not, I know itcold.
And the simplest basic questionright over their head oh, like.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
What would you ask?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
why did Adam and Eve get kicked out of the Garden of
Eden?
It's explicitly stated in theBible.
It's's in Genesis.
It's right there, and they'llwell, they sinned.
Where does it say that?
It explicitly says they werekicked out of the Garden of Eden
to separate them from the treeof life so they would not become
immortal.
(51:07):
It says that In that way.
Therefore, the Lord God sentthem forth from the Garden of
Eden.
It's right there, no, but I'veread it a hundred times In that
way.
Yeah, therefore, the Lord Godsent them forth from the Garden
of.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Eden, yeah, yeah, it's right there.
No, but I've read it 100 times,but see, you've probably read
it 200 times, maybe.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Feels like it.
There's probably no doubt.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
All right, all right, how many more minutes we got
left, rudy, do you have anothershort one, because we're just
about down to a short one.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Are we down to or short one, or down to a short
one?
Rudy, you have one, I've got ashort one.
Yeah, okay, there was a timewhere she was cleaning uh pots
and she was cleaning dishes andshe went into a uh type of
ecstasy, right as she'sdescribing this.
But anyway, the scene goes likethis God walks among the pots
(52:00):
and pans.
And to me, what I take from itGod walks among the pots and
pans is even in the most menialof tasks perceived menial tasks
that we do during our day, wecan offer it all in God's name.
(52:22):
Everything, everything.
When our baby's crying, whenwe're cleaning dishes, when
we're doing laundry, when we'resitting in traffic, every single
moment is just an opportunityto transcend, to take you to
that special communion with God.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Here's a shorty, a little poem, a little saying
from St Teresa of Avila, the onethat Rudy said.
Yeah, she said From superficialdevotions and sour-faced saints
, gracious Lord deliver us and Iwanted to ask you to bring them
.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Would you say it?
Speaker 3 (52:58):
again From superficial devotions and
sour-faced saints.
Gracious Lord, deliver us.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Love it, love it.
That's from St Teresa.
This is my favorite poem fromEE Cummings, ee, cummings.
Do you know EE Cummings?
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Wonderful poet.
The title of the poem is FleasAdam Hadham, that's it.
He said that that's an actualpoem.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
That's a poem, yeah, it rhymes Adam, adam, adam.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
That's an actual poem .
That's a poem.
Yeah, it rhymes Adam Adam, adam.
He was a masterful poet in somany ways, with punctuation and
all kinds of crazy stuff.
But anyway, that's notnecessarily religious, but I
mean, you know, adam had them.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay, folks, we are in the last minute.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
All right.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Who's in charge next week?
Speaker 4 (53:50):
I think Rudy is.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
No, I think he just went.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Was it Rudy?
No, no.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
No, no, no, it's either Mario or I think it's
Mario.
Actually it is me.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
Mario, it is Mario.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Mario.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Okay, did you have something we wanted to say
quickly?
Speaker 2 (54:09):
It's not quick, it's a quotation, but it's a great
poem.
Short, but it's too much time.
It's too much time Next week.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Next week.
Okay, folks, we are at the endof our show.
We hope you've enjoyed this.
We're going to do this a littlemore regularly.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah, I think these sayings are really helpful.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
We're going to try to do it, maybe once a month, it'd
be cool it.
Yeah, we're going to try to doit, maybe once a month.
It'd be cool.
It'd be cool.
I'll set it up, don't worry,I'm the manager here.
Okay, this is 1070.
Speaker 6 (54:37):
He's in charge.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
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