February 17, 2025 • 54 mins
Have you ever pondered the hidden religious messages woven into your favorite songs and commercials?
Join us on A Show of Faith as we explore this fascinating intersection of religion, philosophy, and culture. Through personal stories and cultural examples, we uncover how themes like the messianic age and the search for meaning seep into everyday media, often unnoticed, yet profoundly impactful.
Love, often seen as an emotion, is redefined in our discussion as a conscious decision and active choice. We challenge the traditional Freudian view, suggesting that love shines brightest through our actions and commitments, even amidst challenges. By sharing the recent experiences of someone who just embarked on the journey of marriage, we emphasize the significance of choice and commitment in this profound expression of love. It's a heartfelt reminder that love is more than just a feeling—it's an ongoing decision to care.
In our closing moments, we journey into the depths of marriage and faith from a Catholic perspective, exploring marriage as both a sacrament and a reflection of divine love. With insights from personal experiences and the spiritual mysteries illuminated by theological concepts like Karl Rahner's supernatural existential, we invite you to reflect on your lifelong connection with the divine.
Together with our guest, Nate Smith, we unravel the enigma of God's ever-present love, urging listeners to contemplate their spiritual relationships and the profound mysteries that lie within.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I got to beware
.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
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Everybody look what's goingdown.
There's battle's being drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody'swrong.
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Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance From behind everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Welcome to A Show of Faith on AM 1070 Answer, where
minister, professor, priest andrabbi and millennial discuss
theology and philosophy andanything else of interest in
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Our professor is david capes,baptist minister and director of
academic programming for theLanier Theological Library.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Gentlemen, good to see you on a Sunday night here.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Our priest is Father Mario Arroyo, retired pastor of
St Cyril of Alexandria in the10,000 block of Westheimer.
Hello, rudy Cohn is ourmillennial.
He is a systems engineer, hashis master's degree in theology
from the University of St Thomas.
I am Rabbi Stuart Federo, rabbiEmeritus of Congregation Sha'ar
HaShalom, the Clear Lake areaof Houston, texas.
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Corey and Miranda are our boardoperators, not Corey.
Miranda is our board operatorand tonight, with Nikki, they
help us sound fantastic.
And tonight David brought aguest.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I did.
Nate Smith is with us fromCorpus Christi.
Hi, nate, welcome.
And he's been relativized.
He's a relative of mine.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, relatively speaking.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I just graduated with a degree from
Texas A&M and Corpus Christi inhistory and he's doing a bit of
studying and thinking aboutwhat's next for him in life.
Now I noticed how quickly thatyou went right past Rudy, as if
you didn't even take a breathand you just sort of didn't wait
for Rudy to respond.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I'm going to give you a chance.
That's because he waited solong to respond.
I didn't think he was going torespond.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I'm just going to give you a chance to Stuart.
Go ahead, not sorry whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He's never been sorry .
All right, rudy, where are you?
You were in Brazil last week.
Where are?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
you now I am, I am in , I'm actually I'm still in
Brazil, in the state of Rio deJaneiro, in a beach, actually
not going to lie.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Are you serious?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Life is a beach Suffering for the Lord.
Oh wow, yeah, it sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I bet it's really nice down there, really nice.
Anyway, it's good to talk toyou tonight.
Glad you're with us.
The rabbi is our show director,our official show director.
Yes, so tonight's going to bereally weird.
Well, rabbi is our showdirector, our official show
director, yes, so tonight'sgoing to be really weird.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, it's going to be strange.
Yes, it is yes.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It is, and what are we doing here, rabbi?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well, let me explain something.
A long, long time ago, I usedto give a sermon on commercials
that were on the TV at that time, because I always felt they
were selling religion,specifically selling Judaism.
So, for example, and you willall remember this and I will not
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sing for you tonight, Thank you, send everybody's ears.
You're very welcome, thank you.
I'd like to teach the world tosing in perfect harmony and hold
the world in my hand and keepit company.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, not everybody will remember that, because
Miranda probably doesn'tremember that Coca-Cola.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Oh, she does remember .
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Uh-oh, that is selling the messianic age.
That's what's supposed tohappen when the real Messiah
comes, okay?
Or you remember the ad Where'sthe Beef?
Looking for meaning in ourlives?
Where's the substance?
Where's the depth?
Where's the substance?
Where's the depth?
Where's the content?
Okay?
So I also, a long time ago,used to do the same kind of
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thing with popular songs on theradio, and so tonight I happen
to well, let me rephrase that, Ihappen to believe that, just
like the commercials, I thinkthat modern music well, modern,
old, especially, because that'swhat I'm most familiar with are
actually heavily influenced bythe impact of religion, and I
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think they reflect religiousvalues.
Most of them don't, some ofthem do and some of them.
You have to look at it, thewords, carefully, and remind
yourself of what our religionsall preach.
So let me begin with my firstone.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Okay, so are you going to go to each of us?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
No, no, I'm just going to.
If you have songs, I'd like tohear them.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I told Rudy about a Spanish one.
Hey, Nate even has a song CoolOn the way here.
But I'm saying we figured itout.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to do.
Are you going to say, okay,mario, like what's your song, or
no, that's?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
not.
If you have one, tell me aboutit.
I don't know, I just brought abunch of songs, okay which?
Which I handed out to you.
That's the.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right okay.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
The sheets of paper Right, so you might remember an
oldies song I'll second thatemotion by the Miracles from
1968.
That's the only one I rememberthe year of.
Okay, but I'm not going to sing, I'll spare everybody's ears.
Thank you, you're welcome.
But the lyrics are as followsMaybe you'll want to give me
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kisses, sweet, but only for onenight, with no repeat, and maybe
you'll go away and never call,and a taste of honey is worse
than none at all.
Oh, little girl, in that case Idon't want nobody.
I do believe that that wouldonly break my heart.
But if you feel like loving me,if you got the notion, I second
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that emotion.
If you feel like giving me alifetime of devotion, I second
that emotion.
Maybe you'll think that lovewill tie you down and you don't
have the time to hang around.
Or maybe you'll think that lovewill make us fools and so it
makes you wise to break therules.
A little girl, in that case Idon't want nobody.
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I do believe that would onlybreak my heart.
But if you feel like loving me,if you've got the notion, I
second that emotion.
If you feel like giving me alifetime of devotion, I second
that emotion.
That, to me, reflects theinfluence of all our religions
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regarding monogamy and that.
How do I put this nicely?
Recreational sex Can I say thaton the air?
Yeah, you sure.
Recreational sex is a sin and Ithink this song, unlike a lot
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of songs on the radio then andnow which promote promiscuity,
this song is actually reflectingour religious values.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Father, you get it, you see it.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, no, I see it.
You know, no, I see it, but youknow how I am.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes, he's going to be contrary, I know, I know he's
going to be contrary.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
No, no, no.
I like, if you feel like givingme a lifetime of devotion,
that's the whole point.
That's the whole point.
But the only part is that I'vealways spoken against the whole
idea of I second that emotion.
Well, that just rhymes.
Yeah, always spoken against thewhole idea of I second that
emotion.
I, I to me.
This rhymes, yeah, that'sthat's.
(08:31):
It rhymes, but it's still thewords.
And and I've never felt like,uh, like a love.
I always have distrustedemotional love right as
something that is passing, andso as just a feeling, feeling
that that goes away.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know, I always.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
It's funny because when I preach in marriage, I
always tell people you're notpromising to be in love.
When you get married, you'renot promising to be in love,
because by being in love, whatwe mean is an emotional state.
That's why we speak about thewords to fall in love instead of
I ran into love.
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Or I choose to choose to love,because you cannot decide your
emotions.
That's why you fall into them.
We talk about falling into adepression.
So I love to me we.
We bastardize that wordconstantly.
Don't you love food?
Don't you love see?
That's the whole point it.
It shouldn't be that word.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Right, it's abusing the word.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
It's a word abuse.
So to me I second that emotion.
That's the only objection.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, but it rhymes, but I like the notion and I
appreciate the devotion.
No, I'm just kidding the ideathat this is underscoring the
value of monogamy.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
If you want to give me and this is interesting if
you feel like giving me.
I don't like that.
If you want to give me alifetime of devotion, if you
choose to give me, becausethat's what it's all about,
isn't?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yes, and I think what it's saying is yes, people
pursue promiscuity at times, butthat is not going to satisfy.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
What is going to satisfy is a lifetime of
devotion and Mario and David andNate Hi Nate, If you want to
jump in how would you definereligiously, from a religious
perspective, the word love?
Speaker 7 (10:37):
I always give it the word.
Love is a decision to uniteyourself with God in caring for
the good of another.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
No, matter how you feel.
No matter how you feel at anymoment.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And I would add, no matter what it costs you.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I mean, you know, because you decide that you know
it's going to, this is going tocost something Right, it'll
cost time, it'll cost energy,it'll cost.
Anything worthwhile is going tocost you, it'll cost time.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It'll cost energy it'll cost.
Anything worthwhile is going tocost absolutely including doing
a good deed for someone.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
I think one of the greatest hoodwinks that we have
swallowed is the freudianhoodwink that, uh, we are our
deepest, most negative feelingswe are our deepest and negative
feelings.
In other words, haven't youever heard people saying let
your feelings out, let yourfeelings out okay, and that your
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deepest, darkest feelings.
What do you thinkpsychoanalysis is?
Psychoanalysis is all aboutfinding feelings that you have
repressed.
Why did you repress them?
Because they were not thatgreat.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Pretty darn bad feelings, right but freud said
that was the real you freud saidthat that's the process of
health is.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
The process of health is is is the finding out what's
there and getting it out,because that's not the real.
You I shouldn't have said that,but it but to get it out is the
real, you Okay All right Now.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Let me ask you both this, let me ask you both this,
okay, and that is this.
It's not working.
It's not working.
Mario when you define love.
Okay, when you define love, youare incorporating God into that
definition.
You are saying we alignourselves with God, Thank you.
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But I don't believe that thesecular community defines it
that way.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Actually, that's an expansion.
My definition is an expansionof the definition of the
Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church'sdefinition is very simple Love
is deciding the good of theother, Deciding the good Willing
excuse me, willing the good ofthe other.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Right Willing and then performing, you assume yeah
.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And that, I think, is a more secular….
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Well, yeah, the reason… Excuse me, I retract
that.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I think that's a more acceptable to the secular
community definition.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
The reason I said that unite yourself with God is
because that's what Jesus did.
You know, father, notice, hedoesn't forgive us directly.
I was always impressed thatJesus did not forgive us
directly, that he said Fatherforgive them, instead of saying
I forgive you he said Father,forgive them.
So what he was doing is unitinghimself with God and then with
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God caring for us.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Nate, you had something to add.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, I think one important aspect to that whole
discussion is how do we measurelove?
You know you're referring tomeasuring love by emotional
feelings or something like that,and we see that in secular
music as well as religious musica lot.
But instead I think we wouldsay a more accurate definition
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of love in the religious sensewould be better measured by what
you're choosing to do, in spiteof what are the obstacles.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
What you're doing, it's the act, it's the decision.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
The decision which leads you to act.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
To the act.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And that's why the emotional piece is not to be
trusted.
Yeah, because emotions.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I mean, think about it.
I always say that why do we sayI fell in love?
Why don't you say I chose tolove you?
Or I was elevated to loveNothing something, but we always
talk about falling, and it's avery passive thing because we're
unconsciously thinking aboutour emotions.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know one of the people here who's on this, who's
fallen in love and we have oneminute left who has fallen in
love and gotten married recently, is Rudy.
He's down there in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Rudy.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
In.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Rio de Janeiro.
We need to get him back.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
Do you realize how bad you're screwing up that song
?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I am not screwing up.
I am adding to the percussionsection you are not, I am too.
Love me, love my percussion,rudy.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Rudy, love me, love my percussion.
Rudy, talk about you're theonly one who got recently
married.
Talk about what did you meanwhen you stood there in front of
your lovely wife and you said Ilove you and you promised to
love her.
What did you understand that tobe?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Lord, help me please.
Is she sitting?
There with you, I'm going toneed a lot of patience.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Is she sitting there with you, uh-oh.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yes, she's here.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You better be careful .
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yep, yeah, Honestly, I think.
Of course, as Catholics, thesacrament is forever, right till
death, do you part?
And of course there's someverses on marriage that Jesus
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speaks about right, where hekind of has to explain that in
heaven, you know, things aren'tlike they are here on earth,
right?
There's no marriage per se.
The completeness of love, ofcourse, is God, and the way that
we try to demonstrate love isby sort of acting in the same
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way God does, which is loving us, right.
So it's kind of what Matthewspeaks about when he talks about
love love with all your heart,with all your soul and with all
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your mind.
And I think that's kind of theessence of what I took when I'm
sitting there.
Of course, I was actuallymarried under a Maronite rite,
which is—there's 24 rites withinthe Catholic Church.
They're all Catholic, wherethey all follow, let's say, the
Bishop of Rome, right, the Pope,and they're all in communion.
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So it was quite interesting.
You put some crowns on.
It's got a little bit moretraditional aspects to it, but
but the whole thing at the endof the day is, is is an oath and
a promise.
Right, it's, it's an oath and apromise to take care of the
other person and, like father,says, regardless of what I feel,
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regardless of how I I feel,regardless if I'm sick, if I'm
angry, if I'm not, you know upfor it, it's it's.
It's.
That's kind of the reality.
And there's beautiful aspectsof it too.
Right, you get to shareintimacy and you get to share so
many things you get to sharelife.
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Yeah, I mean the good and thebad, and yes, it's stressful and
we get into fights, but also Imean I guess, the way I see it,
she's also like my best friend.
I mean the things we laughabout and we have sort of these
inside jokes, exactly, and it'snice, it really is.
And it's nice, it really is, andit makes you feel, I mean if
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anything maybe it gives you justa little taste of, hopefully,
what heaven is like to theinfinite degree.
Right, I mean to participate inthat sacrament.
So those are my thoughts.
Very good yeah.
No that's great.
That's great degrees, right?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I mean to participate in that sacrament, so okay yeah
, all right, very good, yeah nothat's great.
That's great.
Mario has a song.
He wants to?
Yeah, but it's only threeminutes left.
Come on, can we start it andthen discuss it at the end.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
No, he's being so contrary.
Hey, let me, let me, uh, let mepiggyback very quickly.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
I'll take it when we come back.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Let me see if I can piggyback off of what he was
just saying what Rudy was justsaying, and it's a song by the
Beatles called Something in theWay she Moves.
Oh yeah, which was kind of aclassic song.
Something in the way she movesattracts me like no other lover.
Something in the way she woosme.
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I don't want to leave her now.
You know, I believe and how,and I think that's something
that happens mysteriously whenyou're not necessarily in love,
but when you make the decisionto be in love, that you find
that the other person, the waythey move, the way they laugh,
the way they look, the way theytalk.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, something in her smile.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
She knows that I don't need no other lover,
something in her style thatshows me I don't want to leave
her now.
You know I believe in Hal, sothe lyrics to that song to me
just kind of spoke volumes as Iwas thinking about this idea of
the beauty.
And there's a book in the Biblecalled Song of Solomon that
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talks about the beauty ofheterosexual feelings and
relationships and such, andthere's a lot in the Beatles
music itself about that as well.
Now, some of it's more tritethan others, but this, I think,
hits at the heart of what Rudywas just saying.
You have these inside jokes,you kind of just know how the
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other person.
There's an intimacy Physical,emotional, spiritual.
Going through life, not aloneIntimacy.
Yeah, I know we've got to go tobreak and we'll come back and
we will hear about the song IWill yes, I Will, it's called I
will I won't.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
It's called I will, I will.
Okay, so this is well, let's goto break early.
This is Tant H 1070, and we'llbe right back.
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Speaker 7 (26:26):
Faith on.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
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Speaker 7 (26:31):
Okay, well, this is a song from the Beatles that I
have constantly experienced myrelationship with God through
this song.
I experienced my relationshipwith God through this song and
the reason is that the more Iseek God, the more I know him,
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but the less I know him Becausehe is infinitely greater, and
the more I experience him Iexperience the greatest, the
deepest mystery of my life.
So the point that I anywaylisten to the.
Just let me read the lyrics toyou and then I'll just play you
(27:13):
a bar or two, right?
Okay, listen to the lyrics ofthis.
Who knows how long I've lovedyou.
You know I love you still.
Will I wait a lonely lifetime?
If you want me to, I will, forif I ever saw you I didn't catch
your name, but it never reallymattered.
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I will always feel the same andwhen at last I find you, this
song will fill the air, sing itloud.
So I can Now notice that in thesong, the writer does not know
who he's talking to, right?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Isn't it interesting that that was only found at the
end of the song.
Well, no, but still not known.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
The second verse, for if I ever saw you, I didn't
catch your name.
That's the first hint, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
But at the end, where he sings and when, at last, I
find you.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
When, at last, I find you.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
At the end I thought that was clever.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
See, my sense is that always that God is my favorite
theologian.
His name is Karl Rahner.
He's a Catholic theologian whodied in 1984.
And he has a concept which hasa fancy name, which is called
the supernatural existential.
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Now, the supernaturalexistential is what he calls the
unthematic presence of Godconstantly in your life,
un-thematic.
Un-thematic meaning you arealways present to God, but you
don't know him by that name.
You don't know the experienceof God by that name.
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I really believe that the dayyou die, you're going to face a
God and you're going to say butyou've always been there, you've
always been there and you justdidn't know his name, because he
was so encompassing to you thatyou knew him but you didn't
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know him.
You knew him but you didn'tknow him.
And so who knows how long I'veloved you?
That's when you come to theunderstanding of you've loved
him all your life, but youdidn't know him by that name.
Who knows how long I've lovedyou?
You know I love you still.
Will I wait a lonely lifetime?
If you want me to, I will.
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Meaning it's a yearning and Ican't catch you.
I can't catch you, I can't, Ican't objectify you, for if I
ever saw you, I couldn't, didn'tcatch your name, but it never
really mattered.
I will and then love youforever and forever.
Love you with all my heart,love you whenever we're together
, love you when we're apart.
I love god even when I'm in sin, because I long for him, even
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when I'm in sin, and even whenyou don't feel him.
I still long for him, so justlisten to about 30 seconds of
this.
Some people may not rememberthis song.
How?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
long I've loved you.
You know I love you still.
Will I wait a lonely lifetime?
If you want me to, I will, forif I ever saw you I didn't catch
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your name, but it never reallymattered.
I will always feel the sameLove you forever and forever.
Love you with all my heart.
Love you whenever we'retogether, love you when we're
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apart and when, at last, I findyou, your song will fill the air
.
Sing it loud so I can hear you.
Make it easy to be near you Allthe things you do and be you to
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me, oh you know, I will.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Anyway, that's basically the whole song it's a
very short song.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's a short song called Paul McCartney, and John
Lennon wrote that song.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
But it speaks to the yearning of all human beings to
find meaning.
To find.
Yeah, because, remember, fromthe Christian perspective listen
, just put that in because Iagree with you.
In the Gospel of John, god Johnsays in the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with Godand the Word was God.
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What is the meaning of the wordWord?
It's not a single word.
It's kind of like if I were tosay to you hey, stuart, what's
the word on what's going on atyour house?
Hey, stuart, what's the word onwhat's going on at your house?
I'm asking you for the meaning,the purpose, the reasoning, the
reasoning, the logic.
So I always like to translatethe first part of that Gospel of
John In the beginning there wasmeaning, purpose and reason.
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Meaning, purpose and reason waswith God.
Meaning, purpose and reason wasGod.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
So whenever you're seeking for meaning, you're
seeking for God.
Mario, there's anotherquotation that you bring up on
occasion that I think alsoapplies through the eyes of this
song, and that has to do withthe yearning of the human to be
with God, and it's likesomething about being held by
God.
Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Well, augustine I don't know if you're talking
about Augustine Augustine said Idon't know who said it
Augustine said you have made usfor yourself, o Lord, and our
hearts cannot rest until theyrest in you.
That's it.
That's St Augustine, 4th century, and it really is.
When you are not See the wholenotion.
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When you are at peace, when youtruly experience peace, that is
the presence of God, not theworld's peace, it is an inner
peace and that's why Jesus saidI give you peace, not as the
world gives peace, but my peaceI give you, which?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
really is his presence.
Yes, that's right, which reallyis his presence yes it is his
presence there.
Rudy, you were saying yes rudy.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Well, it's interesting that you talk about
peace, because I started doing alittle bit of research um and
I'm sure you guys are familiarwith it.
But uh there's a lot of provensort of scientific observational
data on the effects that musichas on our bodies.
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There's all sorts oftherapeutic uses, there's all
sorts of sort of neurologicalimpacts that music has,
neurological impacts that thatmusic has.
And and it's interestingbecause this kind of spans all
the way back to uh, to thegreeks, to the ancient greeks, I
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mean, I don't know if you guyshave ever seen uh different
hurts, right, because this ishow uh music is is essentially
sound waves, right, and it has asort of spread, if you will, of
that sound wave and that soundwave has specific geometric
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representations, right.
So that's a whole can of worms.
But the interesting thing isthat when we actually have
rhythmic and synchronous music,there's studies done, that thing
that has an order that isuplifting but also is able to
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change our mood, our emotion,just kind of make a switch
inside of us to feel more atease with what I would consider
a sort of disordered reality.
So it's just sorry, I didn'twant to sidestep, it's just an
interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Rudy, aren't there also studies about how different
kinds of music affectdifferently the babies in the
womb?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Can you imagine the soothing effects that's pure
sarcasm of some songs we havenow on the radio about hate and
curse words and taking advantageof women and all this other
stuff.
Any effect that would have onbabies?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, I mean, you know babies are.
You know, after the brains areformed and after the hearing
organs are formed, they can feelthose vibrations, and so they
can hear the mother's voice theycan hear another child If music
has a tone or sentiment to it.
And I think that's one of thereasons why there's such a
positive effect of music, as wesee in Scripture, we see it in
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the Psalms primarily referenced.
We see lutes and guitars and wesee tambourines and drums.
Praise.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
God with the lute, all these kind of things.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And with dancing, and with movement, rhythmic
movement.
All of that is good for thebody, all that is good for the
soul, all that is good for themind and it can lift us and it
can bring us.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
It can, it can do that right, and I think that's
part of the effect of musicreflecting the religious realm,
the spiritual realm so all right, just.
Uh.
Here's another song, and we'lltalk about it when we come back
from break, because we're almostthere.
All right, again, it's anotherBeatles song and it's Nowhere
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man.
He's a real nowhere man,sitting in his nowhere land
making all his nowhere plans fornobody, doesn't have a point of
view, knows not where he'sgoing to.
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
That, to me, is the operativeline.
Nowhere man, please listen, youdon't know what you're missing.
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Nowhere man, the world is atyour command.
He's as blind as he can be,just sees what he wants to see.
Nowhere man, can you see me atall?
Nowhere man, don't worry, takeyour time, don't hurry, leave it
all till somebody else lendsyou a hand.
Doesn't have a point of view,knows not where he's going to.
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Isn't he a bit like you and me?
To me, that expresses thereligious attitude of the other.
Aren't every religion of oursis supposed to see the other
person made in the image of god,little lower than the angels?
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We are supposed to see the faceof god on the face of the other
, and I could have just aseasily picked eleanor rigby.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yep, okay, right, and that's one of the ones that I
picked out, yeah in a negativesense.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I could also have picked out fool on the hill.
But fool on the hill, in myopinion, is a negative response
to this, because the fool on thehill reacts with hate, reacts
to being shut out and thought ofin negative fashion.
He responds with hate.
He knows they're the fool.
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He doesn't try to get closer toother people.
But nowhere, man.
It says let's see where'd it go, leaving it all till somebody
else lends you a hand To me.
That's part of our religionstoo.
What's?
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I can't think of the line.
We have two hands, one to reachto God, one to reach to each
other.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, okay, but why does it say they're leaving it
all until somebody else lendsyou a hand?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Because we're supposed to be helping each
other.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I know why didn't it say leave it all till I come and
give you a hand.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It could be an expression of God coming into
our lives.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I'm commanded by God and I'm directed by God to do
that exactly right, not to wait.
Oh, I hope the government doessomething about this, or I hope
somebody else does somethingabout this.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I pay taxes.
Let the government pay it.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Right, exactly, exactly speaking of that the tax
man.
We could do the tax man.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
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Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
Answer Rudy.
Rudy, did you have a commentabout Nowhere man or a song that
you were wanting to bring in,and then, yes, as a matter of
fact, forget the Nowhere man?
Yeah, I know you had a song.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah, I did and I had .
There's a couple in Spanish,but you know, you know what song
I was thinking when I started.
Like, I started Googlingatheists or agnostics that have
written you know songs, catchysongs, and the first one I don't
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know, since we're in this wholeBeatles thing the first one was
was, imagine, imagine.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Wait, that's the one you want.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
Imagine is the most disgusting song.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So he was kidding about that?
No, he wasn't.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
See, I think, Rudy, what you're saying is that Let
that boy talk, no, but I thinkwhat you're saying is that songs
can negatively point to God,right.
Yeah, so it's like it point toGod, right.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Yeah, so it's like it's ironical, right, because
he's kind of painting thisutopian world, right, he's
painting a godless world, yes, aworld without.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 7 (44:15):
Because of the stupidity of it, but that
doesn't help.
It's anti-religion, no I know,but it's a stupid song.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Could Rudy?
Speaker 9 (44:25):
get a word in edgewise.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Yes, mario, stop talking Come on, rudy, it's just
a song.
Because we were talking aboutsongs and how they can have
these undertones right.
It got me thinking.
Music in itself is essentiallya reflection of our society, our
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culture and I mean I kind ofhate to use this word but really
of our spirituality too, right,and I'm using it in a sort of
broad sense and I'm using it ina sort of broad sense and it's
sort of the same way.
At least I see it is politics,right?
We can't really sit here andwe've talked about this before
(45:11):
we can't really sit here and tryto—I know there's a separation
of church and state you know,and we try to make up all these
rules, but at the end of the day, this morality is engraved and
it's in the blood of theConstitution, and I think it's
the same way with our music.
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You can't separate the religionfrom the recording studio, if
you will so what are the lyrics?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
let's go to the lyrics yes, please imagine yeah,
yeah, I want to hear it.
Do you have those with you?
Speaker 5 (45:47):
imagine there's no heaven.
You don't need to sing.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
You don't need to sing I didn't sing, so you can't
either.
David already shut me out, shutme down okay, what's this word?
Speaker 7 (45:57):
just the words.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
It's easy if you try.
Imagine there's no heaven, nohell below us.
Yeah, imagine there's no heaven.
It's easy if you try.
No hell below us, above us,only sky.
And you know, he kind of goeson like this and he kind of has
this little catchy likewhoop-do-do-do-do.
Some will say that I'm adreamer, but I'm not the only
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one, but I'm not the only one,you know, and it's just.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
I hope someday you'll join us and the world can be as
one and you can be disappointedbecause religion divides us
religion is going to totallydisappoint your ass.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
I would never have chosen this song.
I would not for tonight.
This song.
I would Not for tonight, no,but you're talking about I think
it does reflect a feeling thatpeople have.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
A stupid one.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
A concern about all the divisions that are in the
world.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
The Bob Marley song we were talking about.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
There are a lot of religions Now to imagine this,
to imagine that, I mean, it isthe world really of communism,
of an atheistic kind ofcommunism which has been created
, but it's not a utopia and it'snot a world that lives as one
as a result of that.
If you say there's not a heavenabove us, he says there's not a
utopia and it's not a worldthat lives as one as a result of
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that.
If you say there's not a heavenabove us, there's not a hell
below us, then there's no God,let's say, and there's no
judgment, there's no afterlife,all those kind of things.
If that's your conclusion, takea look at the places on the
planet where people haveconcluded that, and what you
have are bloodbaths, right, whatyou have are people who?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Russia, china, north Korea?
Right, you have Pol Pot.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
You have, you know, you have Uganda, Cambodia, Right
?
So I mean that's part of thereality of it.
I mean, what happened to JohnLennon, Right?
I mean, tragically, whathappened to John Lennon is a
result of saying well, there'sno punishment.
There's no heaven above,there's no heaven below.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
And there's no morality.
You can't say anything badabout what happened to John
Lennon.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
There's no morality.
That's your opinion.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
That's morality I can have an opinion that says it's
okay, and a third person couldsay he agrees with me or agrees
with you.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
So, it's a part of it well, I think a part of the,
the tragedy of it, is thatultimately people can't be real
irreligious, you can't fullyremove it.
I mean, if you look at thesoviet union, I mean everyone
recognizes that you have toreplace it with something else
and it's and it's and it's thestate.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
You know it's an empty dream that they're selling
and when there's an empty space, the world works to fill it,
even if it's something like NewAge and jewels that'll.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
You're always going to worship something.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's just built into humanity one thing.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
It is.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Whatever you value the most, whatever you.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Like the stars on the 50th anniversary, it could be
Mother Russia.
It could be Mother Russia, orthe stars and the celebrities on
the 50th anniversary ofSaturday Night Live oh.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
Just remember the etymology of the word worship
the ship is the suffix, is theart or practice ship.
This WOR is a shortened versionof the word worth Worth, so
worth-ship turns out to be theart or practice of putting the
things that are worthwhile inits proper perspective.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Right, right, or you could worship money, or you
could worship fame.
Speaker 7 (49:30):
That means it's at the highest hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
But that's not a proper perspective.
No, that is an improperperspective.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
David for the worship of money.
Yeah, beatles song money can'tbuy me love.
The material versus thespiritual world yeah, the
Material Versus the SpiritualWorld.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, I had that too.
You did, I had that too.
You're thinking like the greatone Just kidding.
Wow, just kidding.
No, he's not.
No, I'm kidding.
But Pride Before the Fall,right.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
And every one of our religions moves in some way to
make us acknowledge andrecognize the beauty of the
world that we've been given byGod.
Louis.
Armstrong.
What a Wonderful World.
We don't have time to get tothese, but those were two other
songs that I thought we mighthave gotten to tonight.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Well, there's a whole lot more.
I have my handy-dandy theBeatles Complete Chord Songbook
here.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
It's about 500 different.
But of all three of us, you'rethe one who won't sing.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, I'm not going to sing.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
You're the one who can sing.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm not going to inflict that upon these people.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
If I will, you should yeah, because you can actually
do it.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, glass Onion.
Let's think about Glass Onion,anyway.
No, that's not, I'm justkidding.
Is that a song?
Yeah, it is.
I'd like to be under the sea.
That's called Glass Onion.
No, that's not.
No, okay.
Speaker 7 (50:50):
That's a yellow submarine.
Wait is Glass.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Onion a.
Beatles song it is a Glass Okay.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Anyway, it's a great idea because and what we're
saying here is that there is anundercurrent of faith and
religion- and longing and theyearning that is behind all of
these, all this music right andthere's a religious influence,
even if, as they're writing thesongs, they don't acknowledge it
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or realize it.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
And you can do the same thing with great stories,
great movies, great novels.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Do the same thing.
Yeah, Rudy, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
I was just thinking how many songs are written
inspired by love or even adisordered understanding of love
?
Right, because, because we'resitting here and we're talking
about sort of the transcendentnature, how it's, how it's
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fundamental to religious worshipto write.
I mean, we see it in, see it inthe Old Testament, we see it in
the New Testament.
It's just music is sort ofingrained biblically too.
But when we sort of step intothis kind of modernity right too
, and I don't really align witha lot of the music that's being
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played today I find it shallowreally.
I guess it's probably the bestword to describe it.
I'm not saying there's not goodmusic, I'm just most of it I
don't listen to, but it justmakes me wonder how much of it.
I mean, it's when you go writea piece and I've written some
music, I play guitar, I enjoy it, but it's always sort of
(52:41):
inspired by something, right,something that you either care
about, you're feeling about,you're passionate about.
It just kind of makes me yeah,you're passionate about it, and
sometimes our disorderedpassions can lead us to also
write music, right, maybeinappropriate music, but
nevertheless it's there, right,it can still sort of provoke
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this.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
But it can speak to this longing.
You know, I'm just looking herethrough this Beatles songbook
and there's so many songs hereabout love and about you know,
wonderful ideas about love andthe longing for love, the
longing for you know, this sortof connection with the other
person and such the other, as itwere.
But it's yeah, they're just allover the place.
(53:28):
I mean just the.
It is probably 80% of the songsout there that are ever written
have something to do with twopeople falling in love, you know
, or two people expressing love.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
What Stuart Just real quick before Marla takes over
for the close.
Yeah, one final song.
I want to leave people withReal quick Alfie, the music to
Alfie, the movie.
What's it all about, alfie?
Is it just for the moment welive?
What's it all about when yousort it out, alfie?
Are we meant to take more thanwe give, or are we meant to be
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kind?
If only fools are kind, alfie,then I guess it's wise to be
cruel.
And if life belongs only to thestrong, alfie, what will you
lend on an old golden rule?
As sure as I believe there's aheaven above, I know there's
something much more, somethingeven non-believers can believe
in.
I believe in love, alfie.
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Without true love, we justexist.
Until you find the love you'vemissed, you're nothing.
Alfie.
When you walk, let your heartlead the way and you'll find
love any day.
Speaker 7 (54:37):
Okay, thank you very much.
Hey, this has been aninteresting topic.
I loved it.
Speaker 9 (54:42):
I loved it.
Speaker 7 (54:43):
I loved it yes, this has been the KNDH.
We'll see you next week.
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I got to beware
.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
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Everybody look what's goingdown.
There's battle's being drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody'swrong.
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Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance From behind everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Welcome to A Show of Faith on AM 1070 Answer, where
minister, professor, priest andrabbi and millennial discuss
theology and philosophy andanything else of interest in
religion.
If you have any response to ourtopics or any comments
regarding what we say, we wouldlove to hear from you.
Please email us at ashowoffaithat hotmailcom.
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Our professor is david capes,baptist minister and director of
academic programming for theLanier Theological Library.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Gentlemen, good to see you on a Sunday night here.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Our priest is Father Mario Arroyo, retired pastor of
St Cyril of Alexandria in the10,000 block of Westheimer.
Hello, rudy Cohn is ourmillennial.
He is a systems engineer, hashis master's degree in theology
from the University of St Thomas.
I am Rabbi Stuart Federo, rabbiEmeritus of Congregation Sha'ar
HaShalom, the Clear Lake areaof Houston, texas.
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Corey and Miranda are our boardoperators, not Corey.
Miranda is our board operatorand tonight, with Nikki, they
help us sound fantastic.
And tonight David brought aguest.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I did.
Nate Smith is with us fromCorpus Christi.
Hi, nate, welcome.
And he's been relativized.
He's a relative of mine.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, relatively speaking.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I just graduated with a degree from
Texas A&M and Corpus Christi inhistory and he's doing a bit of
studying and thinking aboutwhat's next for him in life.
Now I noticed how quickly thatyou went right past Rudy, as if
you didn't even take a breathand you just sort of didn't wait
for Rudy to respond.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I'm going to give you a chance.
That's because he waited solong to respond.
I didn't think he was going torespond.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I'm just going to give you a chance to Stuart.
Go ahead, not sorry whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He's never been sorry .
All right, rudy, where are you?
You were in Brazil last week.
Where are?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
you now I am, I am in , I'm actually I'm still in
Brazil, in the state of Rio deJaneiro, in a beach, actually
not going to lie.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Are you serious?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Life is a beach Suffering for the Lord.
Oh wow, yeah, it sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I bet it's really nice down there, really nice.
Anyway, it's good to talk toyou tonight.
Glad you're with us.
The rabbi is our show director,our official show director.
Yes, so tonight's going to bereally weird.
Well, rabbi is our showdirector, our official show
director, yes, so tonight'sgoing to be really weird.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, it's going to be strange.
Yes, it is yes.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It is, and what are we doing here, rabbi?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well, let me explain something.
A long, long time ago, I usedto give a sermon on commercials
that were on the TV at that time, because I always felt they
were selling religion,specifically selling Judaism.
So, for example, and you willall remember this and I will not
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sing for you tonight, Thank you, send everybody's ears.
You're very welcome, thank you.
I'd like to teach the world tosing in perfect harmony and hold
the world in my hand and keepit company.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, not everybody will remember that, because
Miranda probably doesn'tremember that Coca-Cola.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Oh, she does remember .
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Uh-oh, that is selling the messianic age.
That's what's supposed tohappen when the real Messiah
comes, okay?
Or you remember the ad Where'sthe Beef?
Looking for meaning in ourlives?
Where's the substance?
Where's the depth?
Where's the substance?
Where's the depth?
Where's the content?
Okay?
So I also, a long time ago,used to do the same kind of
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thing with popular songs on theradio, and so tonight I happen
to well, let me rephrase that, Ihappen to believe that, just
like the commercials, I thinkthat modern music well, modern,
old, especially, because that'swhat I'm most familiar with are
actually heavily influenced bythe impact of religion, and I
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think they reflect religiousvalues.
Most of them don't, some ofthem do and some of them.
You have to look at it, thewords, carefully, and remind
yourself of what our religionsall preach.
So let me begin with my firstone.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Okay, so are you going to go to each of us?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
No, no, I'm just going to.
If you have songs, I'd like tohear them.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I told Rudy about a Spanish one.
Hey, Nate even has a song CoolOn the way here.
But I'm saying we figured itout.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to do.
Are you going to say, okay,mario, like what's your song, or
no, that's?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
not.
If you have one, tell me aboutit.
I don't know, I just brought abunch of songs, okay which?
Which I handed out to you.
That's the.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right okay.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
The sheets of paper Right, so you might remember an
oldies song I'll second thatemotion by the Miracles from
1968.
That's the only one I rememberthe year of.
Okay, but I'm not going to sing, I'll spare everybody's ears.
Thank you, you're welcome.
But the lyrics are as followsMaybe you'll want to give me
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kisses, sweet, but only for onenight, with no repeat, and maybe
you'll go away and never call,and a taste of honey is worse
than none at all.
Oh, little girl, in that case Idon't want nobody.
I do believe that that wouldonly break my heart.
But if you feel like loving me,if you got the notion, I second
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that emotion.
If you feel like giving me alifetime of devotion, I second
that emotion.
Maybe you'll think that lovewill tie you down and you don't
have the time to hang around.
Or maybe you'll think that lovewill make us fools and so it
makes you wise to break therules.
A little girl, in that case Idon't want nobody.
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I do believe that would onlybreak my heart.
But if you feel like loving me,if you've got the notion, I
second that emotion.
If you feel like giving me alifetime of devotion, I second
that emotion.
That, to me, reflects theinfluence of all our religions
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regarding monogamy and that.
How do I put this nicely?
Recreational sex Can I say thaton the air?
Yeah, you sure.
Recreational sex is a sin and Ithink this song, unlike a lot
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of songs on the radio then andnow which promote promiscuity,
this song is actually reflectingour religious values.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Father, you get it, you see it.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, no, I see it.
You know, no, I see it, but youknow how I am.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes, he's going to be contrary, I know, I know he's
going to be contrary.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
No, no, no.
I like, if you feel like givingme a lifetime of devotion,
that's the whole point.
That's the whole point.
But the only part is that I'vealways spoken against the whole
idea of I second that emotion.
Well, that just rhymes.
Yeah, always spoken against thewhole idea of I second that
emotion.
I, I to me.
This rhymes, yeah, that'sthat's.
(08:31):
It rhymes, but it's still thewords.
And and I've never felt like,uh, like a love.
I always have distrustedemotional love right as
something that is passing, andso as just a feeling, feeling
that that goes away.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know, I always.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
It's funny because when I preach in marriage, I
always tell people you're notpromising to be in love.
When you get married, you'renot promising to be in love,
because by being in love, whatwe mean is an emotional state.
That's why we speak about thewords to fall in love instead of
I ran into love.
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Or I choose to choose to love,because you cannot decide your
emotions.
That's why you fall into them.
We talk about falling into adepression.
So I love to me we.
We bastardize that wordconstantly.
Don't you love food?
Don't you love see?
That's the whole point it.
It shouldn't be that word.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Right, it's abusing the word.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
It's a word abuse.
So to me I second that emotion.
That's the only objection.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, but it rhymes, but I like the notion and I
appreciate the devotion.
No, I'm just kidding the ideathat this is underscoring the
value of monogamy.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
If you want to give me and this is interesting if
you feel like giving me.
I don't like that.
If you want to give me alifetime of devotion, if you
choose to give me, becausethat's what it's all about,
isn't?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yes, and I think what it's saying is yes, people
pursue promiscuity at times, butthat is not going to satisfy.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
What is going to satisfy is a lifetime of
devotion and Mario and David andNate Hi Nate, If you want to
jump in how would you definereligiously, from a religious
perspective, the word love?
Speaker 7 (10:37):
I always give it the word.
Love is a decision to uniteyourself with God in caring for
the good of another.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
No, matter how you feel.
No matter how you feel at anymoment.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And I would add, no matter what it costs you.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I mean, you know, because you decide that you know
it's going to, this is going tocost something Right, it'll
cost time, it'll cost energy,it'll cost.
Anything worthwhile is going tocost you, it'll cost time.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It'll cost energy it'll cost.
Anything worthwhile is going tocost absolutely including doing
a good deed for someone.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
I think one of the greatest hoodwinks that we have
swallowed is the freudianhoodwink that, uh, we are our
deepest, most negative feelingswe are our deepest and negative
feelings.
In other words, haven't youever heard people saying let
your feelings out, let yourfeelings out okay, and that your
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deepest, darkest feelings.
What do you thinkpsychoanalysis is?
Psychoanalysis is all aboutfinding feelings that you have
repressed.
Why did you repress them?
Because they were not thatgreat.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Pretty darn bad feelings, right but freud said
that was the real you freud saidthat that's the process of
health is.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
The process of health is is is the finding out what's
there and getting it out,because that's not the real.
You I shouldn't have said that,but it but to get it out is the
real, you Okay All right Now.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Let me ask you both this, let me ask you both this,
okay, and that is this.
It's not working.
It's not working.
Mario when you define love.
Okay, when you define love, youare incorporating God into that
definition.
You are saying we alignourselves with God, Thank you.
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But I don't believe that thesecular community defines it
that way.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Actually, that's an expansion.
My definition is an expansionof the definition of the
Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church'sdefinition is very simple Love
is deciding the good of theother, Deciding the good Willing
excuse me, willing the good ofthe other.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Right Willing and then performing, you assume yeah
.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And that, I think, is a more secular….
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Well, yeah, the reason… Excuse me, I retract
that.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I think that's a more acceptable to the secular
community definition.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
The reason I said that unite yourself with God is
because that's what Jesus did.
You know, father, notice, hedoesn't forgive us directly.
I was always impressed thatJesus did not forgive us
directly, that he said Fatherforgive them, instead of saying
I forgive you he said Father,forgive them.
So what he was doing is unitinghimself with God and then with
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God caring for us.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Nate, you had something to add.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, I think one important aspect to that whole
discussion is how do we measurelove?
You know you're referring tomeasuring love by emotional
feelings or something like that,and we see that in secular
music as well as religious musica lot.
But instead I think we wouldsay a more accurate definition
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of love in the religious sensewould be better measured by what
you're choosing to do, in spiteof what are the obstacles.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
What you're doing, it's the act, it's the decision.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
The decision which leads you to act.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
To the act.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And that's why the emotional piece is not to be
trusted.
Yeah, because emotions.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I mean, think about it.
I always say that why do we sayI fell in love?
Why don't you say I chose tolove you?
Or I was elevated to loveNothing something, but we always
talk about falling, and it's avery passive thing because we're
unconsciously thinking aboutour emotions.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know one of the people here who's on this, who's
fallen in love and we have oneminute left who has fallen in
love and gotten married recently, is Rudy.
He's down there in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Rudy.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
In.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Rio de Janeiro.
We need to get him back.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
I know we've got to take a break and we want to hear
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
Do you realize how bad you're screwing up that song
?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I am not screwing up.
I am adding to the percussionsection you are not, I am too.
Love me, love my percussion,rudy.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Rudy, love me, love my percussion.
Rudy, talk about you're theonly one who got recently
married.
Talk about what did you meanwhen you stood there in front of
your lovely wife and you said Ilove you and you promised to
love her.
What did you understand that tobe?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Lord, help me please.
Is she sitting?
There with you, I'm going toneed a lot of patience.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Is she sitting there with you, uh-oh.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yes, she's here.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You better be careful .
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yep, yeah, Honestly, I think.
Of course, as Catholics, thesacrament is forever, right till
death, do you part?
And of course there's someverses on marriage that Jesus
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speaks about right, where hekind of has to explain that in
heaven, you know, things aren'tlike they are here on earth,
right?
There's no marriage per se.
The completeness of love, ofcourse, is God, and the way that
we try to demonstrate love isby sort of acting in the same
(19:56):
way God does, which is loving us, right.
So it's kind of what Matthewspeaks about when he talks about
love love with all your heart,with all your soul and with all
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your mind.
And I think that's kind of theessence of what I took when I'm
sitting there.
Of course, I was actuallymarried under a Maronite rite,
which is—there's 24 rites withinthe Catholic Church.
They're all Catholic, wherethey all follow, let's say, the
Bishop of Rome, right, the Pope,and they're all in communion.
(20:40):
So it was quite interesting.
You put some crowns on.
It's got a little bit moretraditional aspects to it, but
but the whole thing at the endof the day is, is is an oath and
a promise.
Right, it's, it's an oath and apromise to take care of the
other person and, like father,says, regardless of what I feel,
(21:03):
regardless of how I I feel,regardless if I'm sick, if I'm
angry, if I'm not, you know upfor it, it's it's.
It's.
That's kind of the reality.
And there's beautiful aspectsof it too.
Right, you get to shareintimacy and you get to share so
many things you get to sharelife.
(21:24):
Yeah, I mean the good and thebad, and yes, it's stressful and
we get into fights, but also Imean I guess, the way I see it,
she's also like my best friend.
I mean the things we laughabout and we have sort of these
inside jokes, exactly, and it'snice, it really is.
And it's nice, it really is, andit makes you feel, I mean if
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anything maybe it gives you justa little taste of, hopefully,
what heaven is like to theinfinite degree.
Right, I mean to participate inthat sacrament.
So those are my thoughts.
Very good yeah.
No that's great.
That's great degrees, right?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I mean to participate in that sacrament, so okay yeah
, all right, very good, yeah nothat's great.
That's great.
Mario has a song.
He wants to?
Yeah, but it's only threeminutes left.
Come on, can we start it andthen discuss it at the end.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
No, he's being so contrary.
Hey, let me, let me, uh, let mepiggyback very quickly.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
I'll take it when we come back.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Let me see if I can piggyback off of what he was
just saying what Rudy was justsaying, and it's a song by the
Beatles called Something in theWay she Moves.
Oh yeah, which was kind of aclassic song.
Something in the way she movesattracts me like no other lover.
Something in the way she woosme.
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I don't want to leave her now.
You know, I believe and how,and I think that's something
that happens mysteriously whenyou're not necessarily in love,
but when you make the decisionto be in love, that you find
that the other person, the waythey move, the way they laugh,
the way they look, the way theytalk.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, something in her smile.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
She knows that I don't need no other lover,
something in her style thatshows me I don't want to leave
her now.
You know I believe in Hal, sothe lyrics to that song to me
just kind of spoke volumes as Iwas thinking about this idea of
the beauty.
And there's a book in the Biblecalled Song of Solomon that
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talks about the beauty ofheterosexual feelings and
relationships and such, andthere's a lot in the Beatles
music itself about that as well.
Now, some of it's more tritethan others, but this, I think,
hits at the heart of what Rudywas just saying.
You have these inside jokes,you kind of just know how the
(23:48):
other person.
There's an intimacy Physical,emotional, spiritual.
Going through life, not aloneIntimacy.
Yeah, I know we've got to go tobreak and we'll come back and
we will hear about the song IWill yes, I Will, it's called I
will I won't.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
It's called I will, I will.
Okay, so this is well, let's goto break early.
This is Tant H 1070, and we'llbe right back.
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Okay, well, this is a song from the Beatles that I
have constantly experienced myrelationship with God through
this song.
I experienced my relationshipwith God through this song and
the reason is that the more Iseek God, the more I know him,
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but the less I know him Becausehe is infinitely greater, and
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So the point that I anywaylisten to the.
Just let me read the lyrics toyou and then I'll just play you
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a bar or two, right?
Okay, listen to the lyrics ofthis.
Who knows how long I've lovedyou.
You know I love you still.
Will I wait a lonely lifetime?
If you want me to, I will, forif I ever saw you I didn't catch
your name, but it never reallymattered.
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So I can Now notice that in thesong, the writer does not know
who he's talking to, right?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Isn't it interesting that that was only found at the
end of the song.
Well, no, but still not known.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
The second verse, for if I ever saw you, I didn't
catch your name.
That's the first hint, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
But at the end, where he sings and when, at last, I
find you.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
When, at last, I find you.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
At the end I thought that was clever.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
See, my sense is that always that God is my favorite
theologian.
His name is Karl Rahner.
He's a Catholic theologian whodied in 1984.
And he has a concept which hasa fancy name, which is called
the supernatural existential.
(28:39):
Now, the supernaturalexistential is what he calls the
unthematic presence of Godconstantly in your life,
un-thematic.
Un-thematic meaning you arealways present to God, but you
don't know him by that name.
You don't know the experienceof God by that name.
(28:59):
I really believe that the dayyou die, you're going to face a
God and you're going to say butyou've always been there, you've
always been there and you justdidn't know his name, because he
was so encompassing to you thatyou knew him but you didn't
(29:20):
know him.
You knew him but you didn'tknow him.
And so who knows how long I'veloved you?
That's when you come to theunderstanding of you've loved
him all your life, but youdidn't know him by that name.
Who knows how long I've lovedyou?
You know I love you still.
Will I wait a lonely lifetime?
If you want me to, I will.
(29:41):
Meaning it's a yearning and Ican't catch you.
I can't catch you, I can't, Ican't objectify you, for if I
ever saw you, I couldn't, didn'tcatch your name, but it never
really mattered.
I will and then love youforever and forever.
Love you with all my heart,love you whenever we're together
, love you when we're apart.
I love god even when I'm in sin, because I long for him, even
(30:05):
when I'm in sin, and even whenyou don't feel him.
I still long for him, so justlisten to about 30 seconds of
this.
Some people may not rememberthis song.
How?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
long I've loved you.
You know I love you still.
Will I wait a lonely lifetime?
If you want me to, I will, forif I ever saw you I didn't catch
(30:45):
your name, but it never reallymattered.
I will always feel the sameLove you forever and forever.
Love you with all my heart.
Love you whenever we'retogether, love you when we're
(31:11):
apart and when, at last, I findyou, your song will fill the air
.
Sing it loud so I can hear you.
Make it easy to be near you Allthe things you do and be you to
(31:38):
me, oh you know, I will.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Anyway, that's basically the whole song it's a
very short song.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's a short song called Paul McCartney, and John
Lennon wrote that song.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
But it speaks to the yearning of all human beings to
find meaning.
To find.
Yeah, because, remember, fromthe Christian perspective listen
, just put that in because Iagree with you.
In the Gospel of John, god Johnsays in the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with Godand the Word was God.
(32:12):
What is the meaning of the wordWord?
It's not a single word.
It's kind of like if I were tosay to you hey, stuart, what's
the word on what's going on atyour house?
Hey, stuart, what's the word onwhat's going on at your house?
I'm asking you for the meaning,the purpose, the reasoning, the
reasoning, the logic.
So I always like to translatethe first part of that Gospel of
John In the beginning there wasmeaning, purpose and reason.
(32:34):
Meaning, purpose and reason waswith God.
Meaning, purpose and reason wasGod.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
So whenever you're seeking for meaning, you're
seeking for God.
Mario, there's anotherquotation that you bring up on
occasion that I think alsoapplies through the eyes of this
song, and that has to do withthe yearning of the human to be
with God, and it's likesomething about being held by
God.
Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Well, augustine I don't know if you're talking
about Augustine Augustine said Idon't know who said it
Augustine said you have made usfor yourself, o Lord, and our
hearts cannot rest until theyrest in you.
That's it.
That's St Augustine, 4th century, and it really is.
When you are not See the wholenotion.
(33:25):
When you are at peace, when youtruly experience peace, that is
the presence of God, not theworld's peace, it is an inner
peace and that's why Jesus saidI give you peace, not as the
world gives peace, but my peaceI give you, which?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
really is his presence.
Yes, that's right, which reallyis his presence yes it is his
presence there.
Rudy, you were saying yes rudy.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Well, it's interesting that you talk about
peace, because I started doing alittle bit of research um and
I'm sure you guys are familiarwith it.
But uh there's a lot of provensort of scientific observational
data on the effects that musichas on our bodies.
(34:09):
There's all sorts oftherapeutic uses, there's all
sorts of sort of neurologicalimpacts that music has,
neurological impacts that thatmusic has.
And and it's interestingbecause this kind of spans all
the way back to uh, to thegreeks, to the ancient greeks, I
(34:29):
mean, I don't know if you guyshave ever seen uh different
hurts, right, because this ishow uh music is is essentially
sound waves, right, and it has asort of spread, if you will, of
that sound wave and that soundwave has specific geometric
(34:50):
representations, right.
So that's a whole can of worms.
But the interesting thing isthat when we actually have
rhythmic and synchronous music,there's studies done, that thing
that has an order that isuplifting but also is able to
(35:27):
change our mood, our emotion,just kind of make a switch
inside of us to feel more atease with what I would consider
a sort of disordered reality.
So it's just sorry, I didn'twant to sidestep, it's just an
interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Rudy, aren't there also studies about how different
kinds of music affectdifferently the babies in the
womb?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Can you imagine the soothing effects that's pure
sarcasm of some songs we havenow on the radio about hate and
curse words and taking advantageof women and all this other
stuff.
Any effect that would have onbabies?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, I mean, you know babies are.
You know, after the brains areformed and after the hearing
organs are formed, they can feelthose vibrations, and so they
can hear the mother's voice theycan hear another child If music
has a tone or sentiment to it.
And I think that's one of thereasons why there's such a
positive effect of music, as wesee in Scripture, we see it in
(36:39):
the Psalms primarily referenced.
We see lutes and guitars and wesee tambourines and drums.
Praise.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
God with the lute, all these kind of things.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And with dancing, and with movement, rhythmic
movement.
All of that is good for thebody, all that is good for the
soul, all that is good for themind and it can lift us and it
can bring us.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
It can, it can do that right, and I think that's
part of the effect of musicreflecting the religious realm,
the spiritual realm so all right, just.
Uh.
Here's another song, and we'lltalk about it when we come back
from break, because we're almostthere.
All right, again, it's anotherBeatles song and it's Nowhere
(37:22):
man.
He's a real nowhere man,sitting in his nowhere land
making all his nowhere plans fornobody, doesn't have a point of
view, knows not where he'sgoing to.
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
That, to me, is the operativeline.
Nowhere man, please listen, youdon't know what you're missing.
(37:44):
Nowhere man, the world is atyour command.
He's as blind as he can be,just sees what he wants to see.
Nowhere man, can you see me atall?
Nowhere man, don't worry, takeyour time, don't hurry, leave it
all till somebody else lendsyou a hand.
Doesn't have a point of view,knows not where he's going to.
(38:04):
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
To me, that expresses thereligious attitude of the other.
Aren't every religion of oursis supposed to see the other
person made in the image of god,little lower than the angels?
(38:27):
We are supposed to see the faceof god on the face of the other
, and I could have just aseasily picked eleanor rigby.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yep, okay, right, and that's one of the ones that I
picked out, yeah in a negativesense.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I could also have picked out fool on the hill.
But fool on the hill, in myopinion, is a negative response
to this, because the fool on thehill reacts with hate, reacts
to being shut out and thought ofin negative fashion.
He responds with hate.
He knows they're the fool.
(39:02):
He doesn't try to get closer toother people.
But nowhere, man.
It says let's see where'd it go, leaving it all till somebody
else lends you a hand To me.
That's part of our religionstoo.
What's?
(39:22):
I can't think of the line.
We have two hands, one to reachto God, one to reach to each
other.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, okay, but why does it say they're leaving it
all until somebody else lendsyou a hand?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Because we're supposed to be helping each
other.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I know why didn't it say leave it all till I come and
give you a hand.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It could be an expression of God coming into
our lives.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I'm commanded by God and I'm directed by God to do
that exactly right, not to wait.
Oh, I hope the government doessomething about this, or I hope
somebody else does somethingabout this.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I pay taxes.
Let the government pay it.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Right, exactly, exactly speaking of that the tax
man.
We could do the tax man.
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Answer Rudy.
Rudy, did you have a commentabout Nowhere man or a song that
you were wanting to bring in,and then, yes, as a matter of
fact, forget the Nowhere man?
Yeah, I know you had a song.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah, I did and I had .
There's a couple in Spanish,but you know, you know what song
I was thinking when I started.
Like, I started Googlingatheists or agnostics that have
written you know songs, catchysongs, and the first one I don't
(43:30):
know, since we're in this wholeBeatles thing the first one was
was, imagine, imagine.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Wait, that's the one you want.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
Imagine is the most disgusting song.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So he was kidding about that?
No, he wasn't.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
See, I think, Rudy, what you're saying is that Let
that boy talk, no, but I thinkwhat you're saying is that songs
can negatively point to God,right.
Yeah, so it's like it point toGod, right.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Yeah, so it's like it's ironical, right, because
he's kind of painting thisutopian world, right, he's
painting a godless world, yes, aworld without.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 7 (44:15):
Because of the stupidity of it, but that
doesn't help.
It's anti-religion, no I know,but it's a stupid song.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Could Rudy?
Speaker 9 (44:25):
get a word in edgewise.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Yes, mario, stop talking Come on, rudy, it's just
a song.
Because we were talking aboutsongs and how they can have
these undertones right.
It got me thinking.
Music in itself is essentiallya reflection of our society, our
(44:50):
culture and I mean I kind ofhate to use this word but really
of our spirituality too, right,and I'm using it in a sort of
broad sense and I'm using it ina sort of broad sense and it's
sort of the same way.
At least I see it is politics,right?
We can't really sit here andwe've talked about this before
(45:11):
we can't really sit here and tryto—I know there's a separation
of church and state you know,and we try to make up all these
rules, but at the end of the day, this morality is engraved and
it's in the blood of theConstitution, and I think it's
the same way with our music.
(45:33):
You can't separate the religionfrom the recording studio, if
you will so what are the lyrics?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
let's go to the lyrics yes, please imagine yeah,
yeah, I want to hear it.
Do you have those with you?
Speaker 5 (45:47):
imagine there's no heaven.
You don't need to sing.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
You don't need to sing I didn't sing, so you can't
either.
David already shut me out, shutme down okay, what's this word?
Speaker 7 (45:57):
just the words.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
It's easy if you try.
Imagine there's no heaven, nohell below us.
Yeah, imagine there's no heaven.
It's easy if you try.
No hell below us, above us,only sky.
And you know, he kind of goeson like this and he kind of has
this little catchy likewhoop-do-do-do-do.
Some will say that I'm adreamer, but I'm not the only
(46:25):
one, but I'm not the only one,you know, and it's just.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
I hope someday you'll join us and the world can be as
one and you can be disappointedbecause religion divides us
religion is going to totallydisappoint your ass.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
I would never have chosen this song.
I would not for tonight.
This song.
I would Not for tonight, no,but you're talking about I think
it does reflect a feeling thatpeople have.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
A stupid one.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
A concern about all the divisions that are in the
world.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
The Bob Marley song we were talking about.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
There are a lot of religions Now to imagine this,
to imagine that, I mean, it isthe world really of communism,
of an atheistic kind ofcommunism which has been created
, but it's not a utopia and it'snot a world that lives as one
as a result of that.
If you say there's not a heavenabove us, he says there's not a
utopia and it's not a worldthat lives as one as a result of
(47:21):
that.
If you say there's not a heavenabove us, there's not a hell
below us, then there's no God,let's say, and there's no
judgment, there's no afterlife,all those kind of things.
If that's your conclusion, takea look at the places on the
planet where people haveconcluded that, and what you
have are bloodbaths, right, whatyou have are people who?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Russia, china, north Korea?
Right, you have Pol Pot.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
You have, you know, you have Uganda, Cambodia, Right
?
So I mean that's part of thereality of it.
I mean, what happened to JohnLennon, Right?
I mean, tragically, whathappened to John Lennon is a
result of saying well, there'sno punishment.
There's no heaven above,there's no heaven below.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
And there's no morality.
You can't say anything badabout what happened to John
Lennon.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
There's no morality.
That's your opinion.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
That's morality I can have an opinion that says it's
okay, and a third person couldsay he agrees with me or agrees
with you.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
So, it's a part of it well, I think a part of the,
the tragedy of it, is thatultimately people can't be real
irreligious, you can't fullyremove it.
I mean, if you look at thesoviet union, I mean everyone
recognizes that you have toreplace it with something else
and it's and it's and it's thestate.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
You know it's an empty dream that they're selling
and when there's an empty space, the world works to fill it,
even if it's something like NewAge and jewels that'll.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
You're always going to worship something.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's just built into humanity one thing.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
It is.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Whatever you value the most, whatever you.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Like the stars on the 50th anniversary, it could be
Mother Russia.
It could be Mother Russia, orthe stars and the celebrities on
the 50th anniversary ofSaturday Night Live oh.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
Just remember the etymology of the word worship
the ship is the suffix, is theart or practice ship.
This WOR is a shortened versionof the word worth Worth, so
worth-ship turns out to be theart or practice of putting the
things that are worthwhile inits proper perspective.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Right, right, or you could worship money, or you
could worship fame.
Speaker 7 (49:30):
That means it's at the highest hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
But that's not a proper perspective.
No, that is an improperperspective.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
David for the worship of money.
Yeah, beatles song money can'tbuy me love.
The material versus thespiritual world yeah, the
Material Versus the SpiritualWorld.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, I had that too.
You did, I had that too.
You're thinking like the greatone Just kidding.
Wow, just kidding.
No, he's not.
No, I'm kidding.
But Pride Before the Fall,right.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
And every one of our religions moves in some way to
make us acknowledge andrecognize the beauty of the
world that we've been given byGod.
Louis.
Armstrong.
What a Wonderful World.
We don't have time to get tothese, but those were two other
songs that I thought we mighthave gotten to tonight.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Well, there's a whole lot more.
I have my handy-dandy theBeatles Complete Chord Songbook
here.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
It's about 500 different.
But of all three of us, you'rethe one who won't sing.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, I'm not going to sing.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
You're the one who can sing.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm not going to inflict that upon these people.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
If I will, you should yeah, because you can actually
do it.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, glass Onion.
Let's think about Glass Onion,anyway.
No, that's not, I'm justkidding.
Is that a song?
Yeah, it is.
I'd like to be under the sea.
That's called Glass Onion.
No, that's not.
No, okay.
Speaker 7 (50:50):
That's a yellow submarine.
Wait is Glass.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Onion a.
Beatles song it is a Glass Okay.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Anyway, it's a great idea because and what we're
saying here is that there is anundercurrent of faith and
religion- and longing and theyearning that is behind all of
these, all this music right andthere's a religious influence,
even if, as they're writing thesongs, they don't acknowledge it
(51:18):
or realize it.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
And you can do the same thing with great stories,
great movies, great novels.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Do the same thing.
Yeah, Rudy, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
I was just thinking how many songs are written
inspired by love or even adisordered understanding of love
?
Right, because, because we'resitting here and we're talking
about sort of the transcendentnature, how it's, how it's
(51:55):
fundamental to religious worshipto write.
I mean, we see it in, see it inthe Old Testament, we see it in
the New Testament.
It's just music is sort ofingrained biblically too.
But when we sort of step intothis kind of modernity right too
, and I don't really align witha lot of the music that's being
(52:19):
played today I find it shallowreally.
I guess it's probably the bestword to describe it.
I'm not saying there's not goodmusic, I'm just most of it I
don't listen to, but it justmakes me wonder how much of it.
I mean, it's when you go writea piece and I've written some
music, I play guitar, I enjoy it, but it's always sort of
(52:41):
inspired by something, right,something that you either care
about, you're feeling about,you're passionate about.
It just kind of makes me yeah,you're passionate about it, and
sometimes our disorderedpassions can lead us to also
write music, right, maybeinappropriate music, but
nevertheless it's there, right,it can still sort of provoke
(53:04):
this.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
But it can speak to this longing.
You know, I'm just looking herethrough this Beatles songbook
and there's so many songs hereabout love and about you know,
wonderful ideas about love andthe longing for love, the
longing for you know, this sortof connection with the other
person and such the other, as itwere.
But it's yeah, they're just allover the place.
(53:28):
I mean just the.
It is probably 80% of the songsout there that are ever written
have something to do with twopeople falling in love, you know
, or two people expressing love.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
What Stuart Just real quick before Marla takes over
for the close.
Yeah, one final song.
I want to leave people withReal quick Alfie, the music to
Alfie, the movie.
What's it all about, alfie?
Is it just for the moment welive?
What's it all about when yousort it out, alfie?
Are we meant to take more thanwe give, or are we meant to be
(54:04):
kind?
If only fools are kind, alfie,then I guess it's wise to be
cruel.
And if life belongs only to thestrong, alfie, what will you
lend on an old golden rule?
As sure as I believe there's aheaven above, I know there's
something much more, somethingeven non-believers can believe
in.
I believe in love, alfie.
(54:25):
Without true love, we justexist.
Until you find the love you'vemissed, you're nothing.
Alfie.
When you walk, let your heartlead the way and you'll find
love any day.
Speaker 7 (54:37):
Okay, thank you very much.
Hey, this has been aninteresting topic.
I loved it.
Speaker 9 (54:42):
I loved it.
Speaker 7 (54:43):
I loved it yes, this has been the KNDH.
We'll see you next week.
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