March 11, 2025 • 54 mins
Why do humans crave tangible expressions of their faith? From the mark of ashes on foreheads to the kippah on a Jewish man's head, religious symbols offer powerful reminders of our spiritual commitments in a physical world.
Our conversation begins with Ash Wednesday and its curious popularity - it's not a day of obligation for Catholics, yet churches overflow with attendees seeking the traditional mark of ashes. Father Mario humorously describes "A&P Catholics" who attend only on Ash Wednesday and Palm Sunday, sparking a deeper discussion about what drives people to participate in these visible rituals.
The panel unpacks the meaning behind Lent's 40 days of fasting and reflection. Rather than punishment, this penitential season offers liberation from modern distractions that separate us from spiritual awareness. Rudy shares how fasting from comforts - whether food, social media, or entertainment - creates space for reconnection with what truly matters, while helping us empathize with those who suffer daily deprivation.
When Rabbi Stuart explains the kippah as a physical reminder of God's presence, the conversation expands to how religious symbols across traditions serve as tangible expressions of spiritual relationships. From crosses around necks to turbans worn by Sikhs, these embodied practices reflect a universal human need for physical reminders of transcendent realities.
David offers a profound insight: "None of us have ever seen a human being that didn't have a body." Our religious symbols acknowledge that faith isn't merely conceptual but lived through our physical experiences. The archeological evidence Rudy shares suggests humans have sought symbolic expressions of spiritual meaning since our earliest history.
Listen as our professor, priest, millennial and rabbi find surprising common ground in understanding how these outward expressions of faith help us navigate our mortality while connecting us to eternal truths. What symbols matter in your spiritual journey?
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I've got to
beware.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
(00:29):
Everybody, look what's goingdown.
There's a battle line beingdrawn.
Tonight will be one of them.
Nobody's right If everybody'swrong.
(00:49):
Read the first paragraph ofRudy's.
Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance From behind Everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Welcome to A Show of Faith where a professor, priest,
millennial and rabbi discusstheology, philosophy, morality,
ethics and anything else ofinterest in religion.
If you have any response to ourtopics or any comments
regarding what we say, hey, we'dlove to hear from you.
So email us at ashowoffaith1070.
That's ashowoffaith1070 atgmailcom.
(01:31):
You can hear our shows againand again by listening pretty
much anywhere podcasts are heard.
Our professor is David Capes,baptist minister and director of
academic programming for theLanier Theological Library.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Gentlemen, good to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And you too.
Our priest is Father MarioArroyo, retired pastor of St
Cyril of Alexandria, in the10,000 block of Westheimer.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Rudy Cohn is our millennial systems engineer, has
his master's degree in theologyfrom the University of St
Thomas.
Howdy howdy.
I am Rabbi Stuart Federo,retired rabbi of Congregation
Sha'ar HaShalom, the Clear Lakearea of Houston, texas.
Miranda is our board operatorand Miranda helps us sound
fantastic.
And Rudy, you're on.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Hi, Damn Rudy Rudy.
It is my turn to be showdirector.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Hey, Rudy, I don't know if you can hear me or not,
but you stepped in a hornet'snest.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
But you didn't know it, and so you are to be
forgiven.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, okay.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Rudy, I have no idea why you stepped in a hornet's
nest, but I'm about to find out.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Tell me why.
Well, we're going to find outtogether.
Well, the first thing that Iactually wanted to talk a little
bit about is just kind ofthoughts and prayer to Pope
Francis.
He's been pretty sick.
I think he's doing a littlebetter, but I guess I just
(03:18):
wanted to spend a moment.
He's not been doing very wellhealth-wise, so anybody out
there, I mean, it's just it'snot a good condition what he has
, and he's in a lot of pain, soany prayers for him is always a
good thing.
Yeah, okay, so we had, asCatholics, a pretty sort of
(03:46):
significant event we could call,or tradition that we engage in,
and it is essentially the start, if you will, of what marks a
particular time of ourliturgical year.
(04:06):
The liturgical year isdifferent than the calendar year
.
It goes with a different rhythm, right, and so it marks what we
went through on Wednesday.
This last Wednesday was thefirst day of Lent and it got me
(04:27):
thinking, because I never I mean, I obviously have studied from
a Catholic perspective right,some of the readings and it
always kind of got to me as towhy we engage in this right, and
(04:52):
of course there's a lot of sortof biblical references and
traditions.
But it also got me thinkingabout a lot of the other sort of
symbols and things that we dothat are essentially, as much as
one could argue, inward-facing.
Outward-facing right I mean forLent, for people that don't
know it not always includes aMass right, which is the entire
(05:19):
ritual of the Mass where youreceive the Eucharist and you go
through sometimes.
That's where you receive theEucharist and you go through
sometimes.
And, Father Mark, I don't knowif you guys I don't remember
just doing the ash ritual, as amatter of fact the majority of
the time, the majority ofservices on Ash Wednesday does
(05:42):
not include a celebration of theEucharist.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Most of the time it's just a distribution of ashes.
Because it's Ash Wednesday isprobably the second most
attended service when it'sreally not a day of obligation
for Catholics, but we alwaysCatholic.
(06:07):
This is a typical Catholic jokebecause the two main days where
people attend church, I meanthe churches are just busting at
the seams and you might thinkit's Christmas and Easter, but
it is not.
It's actually Ash Wednesday andPalm Sunday.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And Palm Sunday is number one.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, palm Sunday is amazing.
And so what we?
Some of you older Catholicswill get this joke, others of
you won't.
Older Catholics will get thisjoke, others of you won't.
We call.
There are people who just cometo church on Ash Wednesday and
Palm Sunday and we call them A&PCatholics A&P like the grocery
(06:57):
store.
Like the grocery store.
So A&P used to be a grocerystore.
So anyway, Rudy, go ahead.
Used to be a grocery store.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Anyway, Rudy, go ahead.
Rudy, can you and Mario explainwhat Ash Wednesday is, what the
ritual's involved in it?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, Rudy, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Unlike me, there are a lot of Catholic impaired out
there.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, so physically, what happens is you go into the
church and it's a particularritual, there's particular
readings, and essentially whathappens is there is the ashes
are placed on your forehead, andthese are ashes that are held
(07:41):
from palms from the previousyears Palm Sunday, right, yes,
these same palms.
They're burned, essentially,and made into ash in a
particular way.
They're conserved, and sothere's a bit of a—it's
(08:03):
interesting what Father Mariotalks about but essentially it's
for us to remember that we areessentially dust and it's not
necessarily for us to sort ofdespair, right, that it's not
something to think aboutmorbidly, to think about
(08:23):
morbidly, but essentially it's acall for humility, to remember
that this life and thisparticular plane or sort of path
that we're in is just temporary, yeah, but remember this is
actually a quote from Genesis,because in Genesis God says to
(08:44):
Adam and Eve you were dust andto dust you shall return.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And so it's a reminder every day, because we
as human beings tend to makethis life the end all and be all
, and a lot of in what the, the,the church, is trying to say to
you is is don't think that this, is this, the kingdom of this
world, is your ultimate destiny,that your ultimate destiny is
the, the kingdom of heaven.
And so, um, we, you know it'simportant, we, that we take
(09:21):
seriously this world, that wework towards making this world
as just and filled with goodnessas humanly possible and seek
the common good.
But at the same time, we cannotmake this world absolute,
because our hope lies beyondthis world.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Mario best line I've ever heard you can go to your
gymnasiums, you can run amarathon, you can run every day,
jog every day.
You're still going to die.
That's right.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
There's a particular quote in Corinthians, and it
says we do not fix our eyes onwhat is seen but on what is
unseen, since what is seen istemporary but what is unseen is
eternal.
So it's just, it's a kind of acall for us to see beyond, right
(10:15):
.
And it's interesting what yousaid, though, father Mark,
because it got me thinking,because I got into this
conversation with my wife and,of course, course, the church
was like absolutely packed,right, we couldn't find a
parking spot.
I had to drive around, I was afew minutes late.
It was a bit stressful, right.
And look, this isn't likesomething to boast about, but I
(10:39):
go to church every Sunday.
Right, that is a day ofobligation.
According to our Catholictradition, that is the day that
we're supposed to go.
There's other days, of course,but the influx of people that go
to receive these ashes, I meanit's like 5x, right.
I mean it's really impressivethe amount of people that go on
(11:01):
this particular day.
So it got me thinking, right, isthere's this sort of like and I
don't want to sound critical,and this is kind of what I
wanted to talk a little bitabout and I also wanted to talk
about whether this isessentially, should we be happy
(11:21):
that people are coming to churchor is this a sort of dual
hypocrisy, like an extremehypocrisy that exists?
Because here we are in thisparticular day, right, and it's
a day where you're physicallyput ashes right and look, I went
to the noon service, if youwill, and so for the next six,
(11:43):
seven, eight hours, until I tooka shower, I had a black cross
of ashes on my forehead rightand I had meetings.
I had to talk to people andthis is something visible, right
, like you know, you see thesepeople in the street, you know
who goes and who doesn't, butpart of me just was sort of
(12:06):
caught in this.
I don't know if it's just myego or something that I was
thinking about, but I justthought, man, there's just.
So what is it about Catholicismand us in particular, that
we're these sort of and us in?
(12:31):
particular that we're these sortof what do you call?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
it just kind of A&P right Practitioners, if you will
.
No, but see, this is somethingthat I have to deal with every
year because I get people likesome of our—and David, maybe you
can help understand this butsome of our Catholics get
attacked or criticized forsaying because you know, jesus
(12:56):
says whenever you fast, washyour face and don't let anybody
else know you're fasting.
And the church has notforgotten that gospel.
As a matter of fact, when yougo to the services for that day,
for Ash Wednesday, that is theactual gospel that is read.
(13:17):
When you fast, wash your face,and so it sounds like at first
you're going.
What are you Catholics doing?
You're proclaiming the verything you're doing is the gospel
says don't to do it.
So the church is not trying tohide from that, but what the
church is basically saying isthere's a difference between
(13:37):
what is called a public fast anda private fast.
A public fast what is AshWednesday is the only day that
it is.
The Catholic Church is callingfor all of its members to go
into a public fast, and so whatwe do is mark.
It's a reminder, and when yousee the cross of ashes on
(14:00):
everybody else, on other people,it reminds you because you're
not going to look at yourselfvery often.
You may look in the mirror onceor twice, but you look around
yourself and you see all ofthese people with ashes, and so
it reminds you that life ispassing and that all the people
(14:25):
around you are passing.
So, by the way, for some reasonit says like your mic is
sounding like you're very faraway, stuart.
I'm just.
I, okay, I don't know what elseto, and of course I can only
hear out of my left ear fromthis mic, so I don't know what
the mics are doing tonight.
All right, but anyway, this istime for a break.
(14:49):
This is 1070 K and THM.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
We'll be right back AM 1070 and FM 1033, the Answer.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Every day, our brave military men and women, along
with their families, maketremendous sacrifices for our
freedom.
Women, along with theirfamilies, make tremendous
sacrifices for our freedom.
Patriotic Hearts, a non-profitorganization, is dedicated to
supporting these heroes andtheir families in their times of
need.
By donating your unwanted carto Patriotic Hearts, you'll be
supporting job transition andjob fair programs, veteran
(15:18):
entrepreneurship counseling andretreats for combat veterans and
their spouses, and retreats forcombat veterans and their
spouses.
Call 800-851-6067.
You'll receive a tax deductionand we'll arrange a free pickup
at your convenience.
Imagine the difference you canmake in the lives of those who
have given so much for ourcountry.
Your car donation will directlyimpact military families,
(15:39):
veterans, providing them withthe support they desperately
need.
Call 800-851-6067.
You can become a part ofsomething bigger.
Join us in our mission touplift and honor our military
community.
Call 800-851-6067 to donateyour unwanted card.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
She's gone from reporting on the sidelines to
making sense of the headlines.
It's the Michelle Tafoyapodcast.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
The media is trying to lampoon this group.
Yes, they are.
They're calling a bunch of 19year olds in hoodies.
People go to war as soon asthey're 18.
You're okay with that.
But a 19 year old genius tryingto help the treasury save money
, oh God forbid.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Subscribe to the Michelle Tafoya podcast today on
Apple Spotify, youtube Rumbleor at Salem podcast networkcom.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
Hey, it's Andy Hoosier with the Voice of Reason
.
You know your favoriteconservative talk radio show
where we cover the latestcurrent events, recap your week,
have some deeper discussionsand have some fun, sarcastic,
witty and original perspectivesto the issues that matter to you
.
Yeah, you know the show.
Be sure to join me everySaturday right here and enjoy
the most energetic, fast-paced,intense couple hours of
(16:47):
conservatism on the radio.
It's the Voice of Reason andit's all right here.
Join me Saturdays at 7pm righthere on AM 1070 and FM 103.3.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The Answer Give him tulips like roses and clover,
(17:15):
then tell him that his lonesomenights are over.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Welcome back here to the show of faith.
Okay, david, I just made acomment, mainly because we
always have to say that poorDavid has to represent all
Protestants, all the way fromthe snake handlers in what is it
?
Kentucky, all the way to theQueens, the Queens High Church.
(17:50):
But, david, we go through itevery year.
You know that.
Why do you Catholics are doingthat?
Is it at all in any Protestantchurches?
The whole idea of Ash Wednesdayobserved.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.
I would say the majority ofProtestant churches do celebrate
, recognize Ash Wednesday, andthat includes the third largest
Christian denomination in theworld, which is the Anglican
Communion, which is all overAfrica and Europe and North
(18:29):
America, various parts of theworld.
So, yeah, it's well-practiced.
There are a lot of groups thatdon't, though.
Those are groups that are mostlikely to criticize Catholics or
anyone for kind of any display.
Now let me go back to thepassage that you were talking
(18:49):
about.
One of the things that Jesuswas concerned about was that
people sometimes practicerighteous acts in order to be
seen by human beings, you know,and not by God.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
They do it for the eyes of human beings and
basically Jesus says if that'syour motivation, that's what's
motivating you to act.
So, whether it's a Catholic whois, you know, going to Ash
Wednesday, let's say they'regoing to Ash Wednesday because
they have a lot of Catholicclients and they want them to
(19:26):
know that they're right in therewith them.
If that's their motivation,then there's really not much God
can do with that.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Yeah, and it's interesting the way that Jesus
reacts to it.
He says they have receivedtheir reward.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
In other words, the praise andadoration of people is a reward.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
People applaud you or they come to your business
because they think you'respiritual or because you put a
cross on the back of your truck,or whatever it might be.
If that's why they come andthat's why you put it on there,
then that is your reward.
You're not getting any morerewards.
But with God, what is done insecret?
Now, that doesn't mean thatthere are not public times, like
(20:16):
you described A public fast.
Proclaim a public fast.
The book of Joel talks aboutthat in chapter 2, I think,
beginning of chapter 2.
Proclaim a convocation, youknow, call for a fast of the
people.
So there are times that it'sprivate, times that it's public,
and this is one of the mostimportant and significant public
(20:38):
moments as well.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Stuart, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Is that better?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I don't know how does he sound, David?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I'm hearing you better.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Okay, that was Sharon from Dallas, who used to be our
producer and run the board forus.
It was her suggestion to move.
I didn't even think about it,but yeah, good, thank you Sharon
very much and thanks forlistening Way to go.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Sharon, you're a rock , You're a rock.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We miss you.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
We do.
We do so, stuart, one of thethings the reason I said this
could be a minefield or animportant thing, I think I said
is because Rudy sort of impliedat the very beginning that the
booths of Ash Wednesday lie inJudaism.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I think that was your concern, as you said.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
That's one way to word it.
That's not how I would word it.
How would you word it?
How would you say it say thatevery single religion on planet
earth that I know of has someform of expression of the need
to reconcile with god fromeither sinning or well,
(21:50):
basically from sinning.
So I don't think that thisnecessarily was one of the many
times that Christianityappropriated from Judaism
because of their size andbullying and belief that they
are grafted in, their falsebelief that they're grafted in.
(22:12):
I think this was just simply away to express that, and I don't
know any place in the Hebrewscriptures that I can think of
which may or may not be accuratewhere they take something, burn
it and put ashes all overthemselves, David, you might be
able to remember.
I can't think of any placewhere that's done.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
In the Scriptures.
In the Hebrew Scriptures yeah,in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Rudy, go ahead.
Dave, I did a little bit ofresearch because it's not
something that I actually agreewith the rabbi any semblance of
Judaism or Christianity oranything.
People are finding ways, howwould you say, to sort of
prepare others for an afterlifeand to sort of atone.
(23:10):
So in 2 Samuel it talks aboutafter the rape of Tamar, and she
specifically puts ashes on herhead after this.
And then of course there'sNineveh, right in the book of
(23:31):
Jonah.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, no, no, but ashes is a symbol of mourning.
It's not penitence, it's notrepentance, it is an act of
being in mourning, of expressinggrief, and I don't believe it's
related at all to the idea ofashes to ashes, dust to dust or
(23:55):
the dust returns to dust fromwhich it came.
The spirit soul goes back toGod who gave it.
It's an expression of grief.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Well, the only thing is.
The example that I heard onetime was Esther.
When Esther places, she isabout to or the, you guys can
tell me the history of?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
this she's going to go to the king and and she
instead of her perfume.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
she puts dust and ashes and dung.
In the Bible it says you know,she places dung on her head,
right, but I don't.
That's kind of a penitential.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
She is Right.
That's why she fasted beforegoing to see the king.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, but she does so with ashes and dung.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
But again, taking that and turning it into Ash
Wednesday is a quantum leap.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
It could be.
It could be, but I'm verygrateful that we don't Not
uncommon for culturalappropriation.
Oh God, get out of here withcultural appropriation.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
I had to get out of there.
I had to move chairs.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
But let me tell you, I'm just grateful that we have
Ash Wednesday and not DungWednesday.
Okay, so this is.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes, I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Okay, this is 1070 KNTH and we'll be right back AM.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
1070 KNTH and we'll be right back AM 1070, the
answer.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
When you hear the term living better, what do you
think about?
More money, a bigger house,maybe a yacht?
What about how you feelphysically?
How do you wake up each day?
How do you sleep during thenight?
What activities you can andcannot do when you feel good,
life is good.
So if pain is affecting yourlife, see how Relief Factor can
help.
Relief Factor is a dailysupplement that fights pain,
naturally developed by doctors.
(25:41):
It doesn't just mask paintemporarily.
It helps reduce or eveneliminate pain.
How do I know?
I absolutely am a customer.
I take Relief Factor daily.
No lower back pain for meanymore.
In fact, the longer you take it, the more effective it is.
Give their three-week quickstart a try.
It's only $19.95, less than adollar a day.
Just one phone call 800, thenumber four.
(26:02):
Relief.
800 for relief, relief factor,relief wherever you're hurting.
In three weeks or even days,relief factor can give you a
chance to rediscover the truemeaning of living better again.
Visit relief factorcom or call800 for relief.
That's 800, the number four.
Speaker 12 (26:17):
Relief for the one and only relief factor
caregiving is incrediblydifficult and challenging for
thousands of people caring forsomeone they love.
It's a job that is demandingand often feels as if it's never
ending.
Caregivers feel alone andlonely.
That's where Caregiver SOS OnAir comes to the rescue.
This half-hour weekly programfeatures nationally known
(26:38):
gerontologist Carol Zerniel andattorney and veteran broadcaster
Ron Aaron Ooh.
That's me Saturday evening at6.30 on AM 1070 and FM 103.3,.
The Answer.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
The truth is here, from Conroe to Aldine, from
Humboldt to Cypress, fairbanksand all along the North Beltway.
Are you seeking intelligent,conservative conversation on FM
radio?
Chris DeGaulle, mike Gallagher,charlie Kirk, hugh Hewitt,
larry Elder, jay Sekulow andDennis Prager are right here on
(27:12):
FM 1033, the Answer.
Fm 1033, the Answer.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Here we come.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Walking down the street.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
We get the funniest looks from everyone we meet.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Hey, hey, we're the monkeys and people say we're
mocking around, we're too busysinging to put anybody down Go
where we want down.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Okay, welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
The Answer.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Rudy, I don't know where you want to take this, but
I think we've talked enoughabout ashes and I think I would
prefer to go on to the wholeidea of fasting too.
What's the whole point offasting and almsgiving and all
the other?
As Stuart said, is it apenitential season, and what do
(28:09):
we mean by a penitential?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
season.
Right, exactly, that wasactually Rudy's word for it.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Go ahead, Rudy.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, no, no, I think it's a crucial thing, right.
So there's a lot of symbolism,right, and I think it's steeped
in a lot of history, but one ofthe main things that happens
with Lent, too, is thisparticular time.
So we're sort of preparing,right, we're preparing when
we're preparing, but one of thethings that we're called to is
(28:41):
to fast, right, and particularlyI mean, as the Church puts it,
from certain types of food.
Now, of course, there's certainhealth restrictions.
Some people can't fast, somepeople maybe are diabetic, you
know.
So there's a couple of things,but it doesn't always have to be
food, right, there's a lot ofthings that distract us, that
(29:03):
essentially bring, let's say, aparticular type of pleasure or
can deflect our attention fromwhat's truly sort of, let's say,
important and matters in life.
And this is the time, thisparticular time is something
that we're called to focus onand it's how we essentially
(29:26):
reconnect, right.
So there's a particular passagewhere they ask Jesus but Master
, where did we see you?
right, and Jesus responds youknow, when you didn't visit me
in the jails, when you didn'tfeed me, when you didn't clothe
(29:46):
me, and sometimes, you know, weand myself I live a very
privileged, very privileged lifeand I'm very, very thankful for
the blessings that God hasgiven me.
But sometimes it's important tofeel and one of the things that
I fact with is food butsometimes it's important to feel
(30:09):
the bite of hunger.
You know, it sort of ignitesthis understanding in you that
you come to this realizationthat there's a lot of people
really suffering in the worldand there's a lot of people that
don't have enough to eat, thatmaybe aren't warm in the winters
(30:30):
or don't have a home oranything to be on.
So it's an important time rightnow to kind of take inventory
of the things that we have andto be thankful, but also to look
outside of yourself and to seehow we can be true disciples,
right at least within thecalling that we receive.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
David?
Do Baptists practice thepractices of Lent?
Is there any sense of a seasonlike this.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Yeah, it depends upon the church.
There are some that do and somethat don't, but more and more
Protestants are sort ofreturning to that, because I
think there's a sense of historyand importance of liturgy that
people are reclaiming andimportance of liturgy that
people are reclaiming.
And today, in the modern world,you know it might begin with
(31:25):
ashes and the imposition ofashes, but ashes are a symbol of
the fact that we are to humbleourselves and to come to God
humbly.
And so it is a penitentialseason, just like other
religions might hold, Just likeStuart, you have penitential
seasons as well.
(31:46):
Absolutely high holiday season,yeah, so important, because we
are preparing our hearts forEaster.
And so these 40 days of Lent,which doesn't include six days
of Sundays, so it's 46 days inall is a season of getting the
(32:07):
body and the heart and the mindand the spirit and everything
kind of lined up together,hopefully in union with God and
with the church and with God'speople.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Stuart, what's what is let me ask you this question,
and I ask it of all of thethree of us, of four of us
Exactly the word penitential InSpanish.
It's interesting because, rudy,you know that in the word
penitencia, now the wordpenitencia, now what penitencia
(32:45):
in Spanish has the?
If you were going to translateit, you would call it punishment
.
Really Penitentiary, wouldn'tyou say, rudy, like penitentiary
, rudy?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think I mean when I think of penance,
it's penance.
It's like a penitentiary it'spenitentiary.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yes, well, the word penitentiary in Spanish
penitencia means punishment,penitencia means punishment, and
so when you say when I wasgrowing up, that was something
that I had to deal with when youcall it a penitential season,
(33:32):
what I'm hearing is a season ofpunishment.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But I thought that, like what Rudy?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
said Go ahead, Rudy.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Well, it's interesting because jails are
also called penitentiary.
Right, Right yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
So, david, and.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, we don't look at it as punishment as much as
the idea of repentance.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And I don't know that you'll hear many Protestants
using the term penitentialseason as much as maybe in
Catholic theology, but for usit's more of a time of
consciously turning to God.
Consciously turning.
You were talking earlier aboutwhat you fast from, and I heard
this morning at church a fellowminister talk about how he was
(34:30):
one of the things he had chosenand felt like he needed to
surrender was listening to theradio in the car.
Now, apparently he didn'tlisten to AIM 1070,.
The Answer because he wouldn'thave made
that decision.
But I mean, I can see what he'ssaying because he was saying
that, you know, when I have alonger time in the car, there's
(34:52):
more time to pray, more time tothink, more time to practice
God's presence, as opposed tojust turning on the radio and
letting that airways be filled,right, that kind of thing so,
but it's a conscious turning togod, which is what, which is
what we see in the life of jesusafter he was tempted.
Um, we see that he he wellbefore actually, uh, when he is
(35:16):
is baptized.
He's not turning to god, buthis life is taking a change.
There's a turning point in hislife, let's say, and he's
turning now to a public ministrythat was going to be unique and
important, and so we're to dothe same, we're to do the same,
rudy, when you were talkingabout getting rid of the things
(35:39):
that distract you from God, thatwas in reference to people
Catholics giving stuff up forLent, correct?
Speaker 6 (35:51):
It could be yeah, and I guess how I could expand
stuff.
It could be Netflix.
It could be not getting onTwitter.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
But, Rudy, there doesn't seem to me to be an
element of punishment in that.
That is a choice to say I needto redirect my attentions.
That's not punishment, though,is it?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Well, no, and I think that's sort of the dichotomy
Mario's talking about too, isthe way the word sounds.
Right, it's like penance, it'ssomething that you're supposed
to be punishing, but the realityis it's quite liberating, right
, Because it frees you fromthese things that have us you
(36:33):
know, I think we would all arguein some sense enslaved.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
That they have us.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Go ahead, Robert.
No, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Well, and so when we take these moments, I think it's
important because there's somuch noise in the world today,
and I think this is why thistime is so critical and I wanted
to spend a little bit of time,because the fasting, the sort of
outward symbolism, right asmuch as the ashes.
Okay, yeah, that's only one day, but it's this continual
(37:06):
fasting, right, and thiscontinual let's call it
penitence or giving something up, but what you're doing is
really, at least from theCatholic perspective, is we're
turning over sin, right, we'returning over these things that
distract us from God, and tryingto deepen this relationship,
(37:27):
and that's what we're reallyfocused on in this time.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Rudy.
A couple of nights ago, middleof last week, it was about 11
o'clock at night and I decidedto turn on.
God help me.
What's it called?
I forgot the name.
But give me a second TikTok, oh.
(37:50):
Rabbi, when I looked up it was3 o' tick, tock oh rabbi, when I
when I looked up, it was threeo'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Four hours and I didn't even realize how the time
went, and talk aboutdistractions and and things that
suck the life out of you.
I just it was.
I was stunned.
Stunned that it just it.
It it just time didn't?
The clocks didn't seem to tickand it was like four hours later
(38:19):
.
So there are plenty of thingsthat distract us and, I think,
that are meant to distract us.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Well, you know, the Chinese have those four hours of
yours.
You should ask for them back.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, I wish I could.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Four hours.
You should ask for them back.
Yeah, I wish I could, rabbi.
I think the thing thatsurprised me the most is the
amount of scientific study thathas gone in to find ways to keep
you engaged right.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
To addict you.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Yeah, but did you feel tired?
I'm sure you felt tired thenext day.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yes, because that was lack of sleep.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
And how one flows into another One will be funny,
the next will be cute, the nextwill be intellectual.
It touches all the buttons andkeeps you looking.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
You know there's this program.
I know we have to go to a break, but in the past year something
I've done it's called Exodus 90.
And essentially it's a group ofguys and it's at least
specifically for men, the one Iparticipate in.
But we get together once a weekand it's via Zoom.
(39:38):
But it's kind of this veryparticular giving up of quote,
unquote, these comforts, right,for example, taking only cold
showers, going to work out everyday, doing some sort of
exercise, cutting out sugars.
So these are the things thatyou sort of engage in and
(40:02):
unintentionally right, but in asense to stop distracting you,
to kind of get you to refocus.
And I know that if we don't goto a break, Father Mario is
going to.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yes, I'm going.
Going to.
Yes, I'm going to have a cow.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He knows you so well, he can see you even though he's
not here.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
This is 1070 KNGH and we'll be right back AM 1070 and
FM 103.3, the answer.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
You heard me talk about Relief Factor and how so
many people enjoy a better, morepain-free life because of it.
If you're dealing with everydaypain, it makes sense you'd want
to try it first.
Well, relief Factor makes thatpretty pain-free too with their
three-week quick start kit foronly $19.95.
An easy, affordable way to seehow it could literally change
your life, like it has mine.
Relief Factor is a dailysupplement that fights pain.
(40:46):
Naturally Developed by doctors,relief Factor doesn't just mask
pain temporarily.
It helps reduce or eliminatepain.
In fact, the longer you take it, the more effective it is.
Trying it couldn't be easierwith their three-week quick
start for only $19.95, less thana dollar a day and it just
takes a phone call to1-800-4-RELIEF that's
1-800-the-number-4-RELIEF.
1-800-the-number-4-relief.
(41:08):
Four relief wherever you'rehaving pain.
Every day you feel better is aday you live better.
Try relief factors.
Three-week quick start.
Visit relief factorcom that'srelief factorcom or call 1-800,
the number for relief.
Speaker 9 (41:21):
800 for relief, for relief factor you can hear this
today at preggertopiacom.
Speaker 12 (41:28):
I'm a very picky eater, it's hard for me to go
out to restaurants and orderthings off the menu without
altering it, and I was wonderingif you thought that was rude or
okay to do.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
I think it's entirely okay to do my wife, for example
.
She insists on putting avocadoin virtually everything she eats
.
You know they charge $26 extraand everybody's happy except me.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
Hear the entire episode.
It's for PragerTopia.
Members only Go to Prager Topia.
Members only Go topragertopiacom.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Mike Gallagher explains the president's stance
on the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
He wants the killing to end, he wants the war to end
and he's not going to take aside Because there are young
Russian boys that are beingkilled, there are young
Ukrainians being killed.
It's a humanity issue and I'mconfident President Trump is
going to help broker peacebetween these two nations.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
The Mike Gallagher Show weekday mornings at 8, 1070
and FM 1033.
The answer.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Come on, baby, let's do the twist.
Come on, baby, let's do thetwist.
Come on, baby, let's do thetwist.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Take me by my little hand and go like this Be a twist
, baby, baby twist.
I didn't get that one.
And welcome back to the show offaith.
(43:04):
Here we go.
Rudy, where do you want to gonext?
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Okay, I wanted to kind of close out and talk a
little bit about some of thethings that within each of our
traditions there's certainsymbols and outward facing
elements that we do.
And, rabbi, I thought of youand, sorry, I'm going to say the
(43:29):
name Is it called the kippah?
What?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
The head covering.
The head covering yeah, yeah,kippah or yarmulke.
Yarmulke is actually German,from the center of Germany, but
kippah is more the modern Hebrew, and it's a thing that men wear
(43:59):
in order to keep God on theirmind, remind that there's
someone above you.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
And I find it interesting because it's
something that you engage inevery day, right as much as your
hair allows or doesn't, butit's something that you do every
day, that you engage in, thatpeople can immediately identify.
(44:32):
Yes, I mean because when yousee it you know, okay well that
guy?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Well, there's, yes.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Well, there's a lot of corruption, maybe to people
doing this, maybe for the wrongreasons.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Well, now the corruption is people who aren't
even Jewish wearing them so thatthey can present themselves as
if they are.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
But yes at any rate?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
yes.
But the ashes on the forehead,the crosses around the neck,
stars of David around the neck,any other religious symbol?
People put it on their cars.
They are outwardly expressingtheir religious affiliations.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
So I wanted to talk is there something that you guys
find, within the sort oftoday's day and time, that we
find that has become taboo, thatwe find that has become just
(45:38):
something that's seen in today'sculture by others?
I mean kind of.
I guess I wanted to check thisfrom each of your perspectives.
I mean, father Mark, I thoughtabout the collar right, lamar, I
thought about the collar right,the sort of the white strip
that you wear.
I forget the name, yeah, butthere's certain things that you
(46:01):
wear, right.
I mean, do you still wear thattoday, even though you're
retired?
Does that mean you've got towear that anymore?
Speaker 5 (46:10):
You mean the clerical collar, uh-huh.
Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, you'resupposed to wear it.
Yeah, sometimes I wear it andsometimes I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
But are you supposed to wear it all the time?
Speaker 5 (46:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
When you're doing priestly stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
But I don't understand.
What did you mean by?
What does that have to do with?
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Rudy, I want to add something to what I said.
I think that these expressionsstart over, that the wearing of
these visible signs of religiousaffiliation are physical,
tangible, touchable signs of aspiritual relationship.
Do you remember and this is, Ibelieve, I think, more
Protestant than Catholic, but doyou remember?
(46:54):
Well, you may not have evenbeen born yet, but there were
people who would wear braceletsand on the bracelet it would say
WWJD what would Jesus do?
And it's a physical reminder ofa spiritual relationship and
human beings need their physicalreminders.
We need things physically toremind us.
(47:17):
You know, sometimes to do theright thing, we need our
physical reminders, and it couldbe a cross, it could be a Star
of David, it could be anything.
You know, religious jewelry ofany kind, you know it could be.
The Sikh community has a turban, I believe.
(47:38):
Right, yeah, many religions, ifnot all religions, one way or
the other have physicalexpressions of the spiritual
relationship that theypersonally believe in.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Well, part of that, I think, is a recognition that
we're deeply embodied humanbeings.
I mean human beings.
None of us have ever seen ahuman being that didn't have a
body, and there's just somethingabout being physically bodied
that means that we need thesethings, or that these things are
(48:15):
useful to us.
Helpful to us.
Could we do without it?
Well, probably, yes, we could.
And there are some churchtraditions where you walk into
the church and somebody askedabout this the other day at our
Lanier Theological Library theywalked into their church and
they had white on their wallsand they had no crosses, they
(48:36):
had no artwork, no stained glasswindows, those kinds of things,
which is not obviously the waythat the church has been
throughout all of history.
But that's a movement that issaying that we are not those
people that need that physicalreminder.
(49:06):
But I think we are Christ, whichI know is a deeply Christian
ideal.
Is necessitates the fact thatwe have these physical,
touchable, smellable, tangiblereminders of faith, and then it
brings us back to our body.
(49:27):
It brings us back.
I think that's what the ashesare about.
I think the ashes are there tobring us back to our body.
And if we want to think aboutreligions only between our ears
and only in our head, and onlyin some esoteric, futuristic,
far-off thing.
Well, doggone it.
We ought to be reminded thatreligion is about the fact that
(49:51):
everyone is fading, right?
Every human being that's aliveright now is fading, and their
bodies are going to fade andthey're going to, through
weakness, enter into death.
So all of that is a reminder ofthat.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
I'm reminded of something I was reading in this
book Sapiens.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar with it.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
What's the?
Speaker 6 (50:18):
name of it Sapiens, sapiens.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (50:24):
Like Homo sapiens.
It's an anthropologist.
I think he's actually Israeli,but quite atheist.
Great pitfalls in his book is alot of the early burials that
(50:54):
we find with human remains.
Have people adorned with things, with bracelets, with headwear,
with these sorts of symbols?
Right, this focus?
And it's interesting to thinkabout how long since time was
time, or since humans werehumans, humans have been
(51:15):
concerned about, in some essence, these symbols and the beauty,
I would say, of these symbols.
Right, because they point tothe greatest love of all and
that's, I mean, I would arguethat's God.
Right, but they point tosomething eternal and and every
(51:37):
human being, I think, whether we, we want to accept it or not,
has this notion of of eternityand has this notion of of that.
There's that this, this liferight now, is just transient,
and whether you believe that itall ends and the lights go out
(51:58):
and nothing ever happens, okay,but you still have actions that
you perform with other peoplethat are going to live on
forever, because those actionsare going to have repercussions
across generations and acrossgenerations and across
generations.
So there's really a lot ofthings that I think culturally
(52:20):
depend so much on the way thatwe carry these symbols and the
meaning that we carry with them,like you were saying, rabbi.
So I find these types of actionseven though maybe it might seem
silly, or some people use it ina corrupt way, like you were
saying, rabbi, that they want tobe part of something when
they're not, or, mario, right,they show up to church on two
(52:43):
days out of the entire year intothis notion that humans, we
seek this sort of meaningsomehow and to align ourselves
with, let's call it, a tribe ora people or a group, right, that
we sort of belong to thisidentity that we seek.
And well for us, it's identityin Christ that we find this
(53:08):
transcendence right.
So I know we've got about twominutes left so far.
I think maybe you should do theclosing?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Well, not yet, but let me ask one question of David
and Stuart.
Is the book of Esther in yourBible?
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
But is it because the book of Esther?
I was looking at chapter 14,verse 2, and it doesn't.
Is there part of the book ofEsther that is not in your Bible
?
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Correct Ten chapters.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
That's the problem, because where I was getting, I
was talking about Esther puts,you know, rips her clothes.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's an addition to the book of Esther.
Speaker 5 (53:51):
Yeah, I don't know where the history is of that I
don't know either, because whatI was looking at was esther,
chapter 14, verse 2, and I foundthat it's only in the book of
the in the catholic bible davidwould know all about david david
yeah, yeah, the the, the one inthe protestant bible.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
Uh, it is.
Does not have the additions toesther yeah um, it ends in
chapter 13,.
I think I'm trying to readexactly how many chapters are
there?
Well yeah, there are additionsto Esther that are found, and it
could well be these have anancient history.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (54:26):
Yeah, Okay.
Well, we've only got 15 secondsleft.
So who's in charge next week?
I am Okay's in charge next week.
I am Okay.
Stuart is on next week.
Folks, thank you for listeningto us here in the Shoe of Faith.
Keep us in your prayers, youknow, because every single week
you are going to be in ours.
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I've got to
beware.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
(00:29):
Everybody, look what's goingdown.
There's a battle line beingdrawn.
Tonight will be one of them.
Nobody's right If everybody'swrong.
(00:49):
Read the first paragraph ofRudy's.
Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance From behind Everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Welcome to A Show of Faith where a professor, priest,
millennial and rabbi discusstheology, philosophy, morality,
ethics and anything else ofinterest in religion.
If you have any response to ourtopics or any comments
regarding what we say, hey, we'dlove to hear from you.
So email us at ashowoffaith1070.
That's ashowoffaith1070 atgmailcom.
(01:31):
You can hear our shows againand again by listening pretty
much anywhere podcasts are heard.
Our professor is David Capes,baptist minister and director of
academic programming for theLanier Theological Library.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Gentlemen, good to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And you too.
Our priest is Father MarioArroyo, retired pastor of St
Cyril of Alexandria, in the10,000 block of Westheimer.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Rudy Cohn is our millennial systems engineer, has
his master's degree in theologyfrom the University of St
Thomas.
Howdy howdy.
I am Rabbi Stuart Federo,retired rabbi of Congregation
Sha'ar HaShalom, the Clear Lakearea of Houston, texas.
Miranda is our board operatorand Miranda helps us sound
fantastic.
And Rudy, you're on.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Hi, Damn Rudy Rudy.
It is my turn to be showdirector.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Hey, Rudy, I don't know if you can hear me or not,
but you stepped in a hornet'snest.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
But you didn't know it, and so you are to be
forgiven.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, okay.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Rudy, I have no idea why you stepped in a hornet's
nest, but I'm about to find out.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Tell me why.
Well, we're going to find outtogether.
Well, the first thing that Iactually wanted to talk a little
bit about is just kind ofthoughts and prayer to Pope
Francis.
He's been pretty sick.
I think he's doing a littlebetter, but I guess I just
(03:18):
wanted to spend a moment.
He's not been doing very wellhealth-wise, so anybody out
there, I mean, it's just it'snot a good condition what he has
, and he's in a lot of pain, soany prayers for him is always a
good thing.
Yeah, okay, so we had, asCatholics, a pretty sort of
(03:46):
significant event we could call,or tradition that we engage in,
and it is essentially the start, if you will, of what marks a
particular time of ourliturgical year.
(04:06):
The liturgical year isdifferent than the calendar year
.
It goes with a different rhythm, right, and so it marks what we
went through on Wednesday.
This last Wednesday was thefirst day of Lent and it got me
(04:27):
thinking, because I never I mean, I obviously have studied from
a Catholic perspective right,some of the readings and it
always kind of got to me as towhy we engage in this right, and
(04:52):
of course there's a lot of sortof biblical references and
traditions.
But it also got me thinkingabout a lot of the other sort of
symbols and things that we dothat are essentially, as much as
one could argue, inward-facing.
Outward-facing right I mean forLent, for people that don't
know it not always includes aMass right, which is the entire
(05:19):
ritual of the Mass where youreceive the Eucharist and you go
through sometimes.
That's where you receive theEucharist and you go through
sometimes.
And, Father Mark, I don't knowif you guys I don't remember
just doing the ash ritual, as amatter of fact the majority of
the time, the majority ofservices on Ash Wednesday does
(05:42):
not include a celebration of theEucharist.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Most of the time it's just a distribution of ashes.
Because it's Ash Wednesday isprobably the second most
attended service when it'sreally not a day of obligation
for Catholics, but we alwaysCatholic.
(06:07):
This is a typical Catholic jokebecause the two main days where
people attend church, I meanthe churches are just busting at
the seams and you might thinkit's Christmas and Easter, but
it is not.
It's actually Ash Wednesday andPalm Sunday.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And Palm Sunday is number one.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, palm Sunday is amazing.
And so what we?
Some of you older Catholicswill get this joke, others of
you won't.
Older Catholics will get thisjoke, others of you won't.
We call.
There are people who just cometo church on Ash Wednesday and
Palm Sunday and we call them A&PCatholics A&P like the grocery
(06:57):
store.
Like the grocery store.
So A&P used to be a grocerystore.
So anyway, Rudy, go ahead.
Used to be a grocery store.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Anyway, Rudy, go ahead.
Rudy, can you and Mario explainwhat Ash Wednesday is, what the
ritual's involved in it?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, Rudy, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Unlike me, there are a lot of Catholic impaired out
there.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, so physically, what happens is you go into the
church and it's a particularritual, there's particular
readings, and essentially whathappens is there is the ashes
are placed on your forehead, andthese are ashes that are held
(07:41):
from palms from the previousyears Palm Sunday, right, yes,
these same palms.
They're burned, essentially,and made into ash in a
particular way.
They're conserved, and sothere's a bit of a—it's
(08:03):
interesting what Father Mariotalks about but essentially it's
for us to remember that we areessentially dust and it's not
necessarily for us to sort ofdespair, right, that it's not
something to think aboutmorbidly, to think about
(08:23):
morbidly, but essentially it's acall for humility, to remember
that this life and thisparticular plane or sort of path
that we're in is just temporary, yeah, but remember this is
actually a quote from Genesis,because in Genesis God says to
(08:44):
Adam and Eve you were dust andto dust you shall return.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And so it's a reminder every day, because we
as human beings tend to makethis life the end all and be all
, and a lot of in what the, the,the church, is trying to say to
you is is don't think that this, is this, the kingdom of this
world, is your ultimate destiny,that your ultimate destiny is
the, the kingdom of heaven.
And so, um, we, you know it'simportant, we, that we take
(09:21):
seriously this world, that wework towards making this world
as just and filled with goodnessas humanly possible and seek
the common good.
But at the same time, we cannotmake this world absolute,
because our hope lies beyondthis world.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Mario best line I've ever heard you can go to your
gymnasiums, you can run amarathon, you can run every day,
jog every day.
You're still going to die.
That's right.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
There's a particular quote in Corinthians, and it
says we do not fix our eyes onwhat is seen but on what is
unseen, since what is seen istemporary but what is unseen is
eternal.
So it's just, it's a kind of acall for us to see beyond, right
(10:15):
.
And it's interesting what yousaid, though, father Mark,
because it got me thinking,because I got into this
conversation with my wife and,of course, course, the church
was like absolutely packed,right, we couldn't find a
parking spot.
I had to drive around, I was afew minutes late.
It was a bit stressful, right.
And look, this isn't likesomething to boast about, but I
(10:39):
go to church every Sunday.
Right, that is a day ofobligation.
According to our Catholictradition, that is the day that
we're supposed to go.
There's other days, of course,but the influx of people that go
to receive these ashes, I meanit's like 5x, right.
I mean it's really impressivethe amount of people that go on
(11:01):
this particular day.
So it got me thinking, right, isthere's this sort of like and I
don't want to sound critical,and this is kind of what I
wanted to talk a little bitabout and I also wanted to talk
about whether this isessentially, should we be happy
(11:21):
that people are coming to churchor is this a sort of dual
hypocrisy, like an extremehypocrisy that exists?
Because here we are in thisparticular day, right, and it's
a day where you're physicallyput ashes right and look, I went
to the noon service, if youwill, and so for the next six,
(11:43):
seven, eight hours, until I tooka shower, I had a black cross
of ashes on my forehead rightand I had meetings.
I had to talk to people andthis is something visible, right
, like you know, you see thesepeople in the street, you know
who goes and who doesn't, butpart of me just was sort of
(12:06):
caught in this.
I don't know if it's just myego or something that I was
thinking about, but I justthought, man, there's just.
So what is it about Catholicismand us in particular, that
we're these sort of and us in?
(12:31):
particular that we're these sortof what do you call?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
it just kind of A&P right Practitioners, if you will
.
No, but see, this is somethingthat I have to deal with every
year because I get people likesome of our—and David, maybe you
can help understand this butsome of our Catholics get
attacked or criticized forsaying because you know, jesus
(12:56):
says whenever you fast, washyour face and don't let anybody
else know you're fasting.
And the church has notforgotten that gospel.
As a matter of fact, when yougo to the services for that day,
for Ash Wednesday, that is theactual gospel that is read.
(13:17):
When you fast, wash your face,and so it sounds like at first
you're going.
What are you Catholics doing?
You're proclaiming the verything you're doing is the gospel
says don't to do it.
So the church is not trying tohide from that, but what the
church is basically saying isthere's a difference between
(13:37):
what is called a public fast anda private fast.
A public fast what is AshWednesday is the only day that
it is.
The Catholic Church is callingfor all of its members to go
into a public fast, and so whatwe do is mark.
It's a reminder, and when yousee the cross of ashes on
(14:00):
everybody else, on other people,it reminds you because you're
not going to look at yourselfvery often.
You may look in the mirror onceor twice, but you look around
yourself and you see all ofthese people with ashes, and so
it reminds you that life ispassing and that all the people
(14:25):
around you are passing.
So, by the way, for some reasonit says like your mic is
sounding like you're very faraway, stuart.
I'm just.
I, okay, I don't know what elseto, and of course I can only
hear out of my left ear fromthis mic, so I don't know what
the mics are doing tonight.
All right, but anyway, this istime for a break.
(14:49):
This is 1070 K and THM.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
We'll be right back AM 1070 and FM 1033, the Answer.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Every day, our brave military men and women, along
with their families, maketremendous sacrifices for our
freedom.
Women, along with theirfamilies, make tremendous
sacrifices for our freedom.
Patriotic Hearts, a non-profitorganization, is dedicated to
supporting these heroes andtheir families in their times of
need.
By donating your unwanted carto Patriotic Hearts, you'll be
supporting job transition andjob fair programs, veteran
(15:18):
entrepreneurship counseling andretreats for combat veterans and
their spouses, and retreats forcombat veterans and their
spouses.
Call 800-851-6067.
You'll receive a tax deductionand we'll arrange a free pickup
at your convenience.
Imagine the difference you canmake in the lives of those who
have given so much for ourcountry.
Your car donation will directlyimpact military families,
(15:39):
veterans, providing them withthe support they desperately
need.
Call 800-851-6067.
You can become a part ofsomething bigger.
Join us in our mission touplift and honor our military
community.
Call 800-851-6067 to donateyour unwanted card.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
She's gone from reporting on the sidelines to
making sense of the headlines.
It's the Michelle Tafoyapodcast.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
The media is trying to lampoon this group.
Yes, they are.
They're calling a bunch of 19year olds in hoodies.
People go to war as soon asthey're 18.
You're okay with that.
But a 19 year old genius tryingto help the treasury save money
, oh God forbid.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Subscribe to the Michelle Tafoya podcast today on
Apple Spotify, youtube Rumbleor at Salem podcast networkcom.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
Hey, it's Andy Hoosier with the Voice of Reason
.
You know your favoriteconservative talk radio show
where we cover the latestcurrent events, recap your week,
have some deeper discussionsand have some fun, sarcastic,
witty and original perspectivesto the issues that matter to you
.
Yeah, you know the show.
Be sure to join me everySaturday right here and enjoy
the most energetic, fast-paced,intense couple hours of
(16:47):
conservatism on the radio.
It's the Voice of Reason andit's all right here.
Join me Saturdays at 7pm righthere on AM 1070 and FM 103.3.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The Answer Give him tulips like roses and clover,
(17:15):
then tell him that his lonesomenights are over.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Welcome back here to the show of faith.
Okay, david, I just made acomment, mainly because we
always have to say that poorDavid has to represent all
Protestants, all the way fromthe snake handlers in what is it
?
Kentucky, all the way to theQueens, the Queens High Church.
(17:50):
But, david, we go through itevery year.
You know that.
Why do you Catholics are doingthat?
Is it at all in any Protestantchurches?
The whole idea of Ash Wednesdayobserved.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.
I would say the majority ofProtestant churches do celebrate
, recognize Ash Wednesday, andthat includes the third largest
Christian denomination in theworld, which is the Anglican
Communion, which is all overAfrica and Europe and North
(18:29):
America, various parts of theworld.
So, yeah, it's well-practiced.
There are a lot of groups thatdon't, though.
Those are groups that are mostlikely to criticize Catholics or
anyone for kind of any display.
Now let me go back to thepassage that you were talking
(18:49):
about.
One of the things that Jesuswas concerned about was that
people sometimes practicerighteous acts in order to be
seen by human beings, you know,and not by God.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
They do it for the eyes of human beings and
basically Jesus says if that'syour motivation, that's what's
motivating you to act.
So, whether it's a Catholic whois, you know, going to Ash
Wednesday, let's say they'regoing to Ash Wednesday because
they have a lot of Catholicclients and they want them to
(19:26):
know that they're right in therewith them.
If that's their motivation,then there's really not much God
can do with that.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Yeah, and it's interesting the way that Jesus
reacts to it.
He says they have receivedtheir reward.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
In other words, the praise andadoration of people is a reward.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
People applaud you or they come to your business
because they think you'respiritual or because you put a
cross on the back of your truck,or whatever it might be.
If that's why they come andthat's why you put it on there,
then that is your reward.
You're not getting any morerewards.
But with God, what is done insecret?
Now, that doesn't mean thatthere are not public times, like
(20:16):
you described A public fast.
Proclaim a public fast.
The book of Joel talks aboutthat in chapter 2, I think,
beginning of chapter 2.
Proclaim a convocation, youknow, call for a fast of the
people.
So there are times that it'sprivate, times that it's public,
and this is one of the mostimportant and significant public
(20:38):
moments as well.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Stuart, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Is that better?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I don't know how does he sound, David?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I'm hearing you better.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Okay, that was Sharon from Dallas, who used to be our
producer and run the board forus.
It was her suggestion to move.
I didn't even think about it,but yeah, good, thank you Sharon
very much and thanks forlistening Way to go.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Sharon, you're a rock , You're a rock.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We miss you.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
We do.
We do so, stuart, one of thethings the reason I said this
could be a minefield or animportant thing, I think I said
is because Rudy sort of impliedat the very beginning that the
booths of Ash Wednesday lie inJudaism.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I think that was your concern, as you said.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
That's one way to word it.
That's not how I would word it.
How would you word it?
How would you say it say thatevery single religion on planet
earth that I know of has someform of expression of the need
to reconcile with god fromeither sinning or well,
(21:50):
basically from sinning.
So I don't think that thisnecessarily was one of the many
times that Christianityappropriated from Judaism
because of their size andbullying and belief that they
are grafted in, their falsebelief that they're grafted in.
(22:12):
I think this was just simply away to express that, and I don't
know any place in the Hebrewscriptures that I can think of
which may or may not be accuratewhere they take something, burn
it and put ashes all overthemselves, David, you might be
able to remember.
I can't think of any placewhere that's done.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
In the Scriptures.
In the Hebrew Scriptures yeah,in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Rudy, go ahead.
Dave, I did a little bit ofresearch because it's not
something that I actually agreewith the rabbi any semblance of
Judaism or Christianity oranything.
People are finding ways, howwould you say, to sort of
prepare others for an afterlifeand to sort of atone.
(23:10):
So in 2 Samuel it talks aboutafter the rape of Tamar, and she
specifically puts ashes on herhead after this.
And then of course there'sNineveh, right in the book of
(23:31):
Jonah.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, no, no, but ashes is a symbol of mourning.
It's not penitence, it's notrepentance, it is an act of
being in mourning, of expressinggrief, and I don't believe it's
related at all to the idea ofashes to ashes, dust to dust or
(23:55):
the dust returns to dust fromwhich it came.
The spirit soul goes back toGod who gave it.
It's an expression of grief.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Well, the only thing is.
The example that I heard onetime was Esther.
When Esther places, she isabout to or the, you guys can
tell me the history of?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
this she's going to go to the king and and she
instead of her perfume.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
she puts dust and ashes and dung.
In the Bible it says you know,she places dung on her head,
right, but I don't.
That's kind of a penitential.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
She is Right.
That's why she fasted beforegoing to see the king.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, but she does so with ashes and dung.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
But again, taking that and turning it into Ash
Wednesday is a quantum leap.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
It could be.
It could be, but I'm verygrateful that we don't Not
uncommon for culturalappropriation.
Oh God, get out of here withcultural appropriation.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
I had to get out of there.
I had to move chairs.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
But let me tell you, I'm just grateful that we have
Ash Wednesday and not DungWednesday.
Okay, so this is.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes, I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Okay, this is 1070 KNTH and we'll be right back AM.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
1070 KNTH and we'll be right back AM 1070, the
answer.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
When you hear the term living better, what do you
think about?
More money, a bigger house,maybe a yacht?
What about how you feelphysically?
How do you wake up each day?
How do you sleep during thenight?
What activities you can andcannot do when you feel good,
life is good.
So if pain is affecting yourlife, see how Relief Factor can
help.
Relief Factor is a dailysupplement that fights pain,
naturally developed by doctors.
(25:41):
It doesn't just mask paintemporarily.
It helps reduce or eveneliminate pain.
How do I know?
I absolutely am a customer.
I take Relief Factor daily.
No lower back pain for meanymore.
In fact, the longer you take it, the more effective it is.
Give their three-week quickstart a try.
It's only $19.95, less than adollar a day.
Just one phone call 800, thenumber four.
(26:02):
Relief.
800 for relief, relief factor,relief wherever you're hurting.
In three weeks or even days,relief factor can give you a
chance to rediscover the truemeaning of living better again.
Visit relief factorcom or call800 for relief.
That's 800, the number four.
Speaker 12 (26:17):
Relief for the one and only relief factor
caregiving is incrediblydifficult and challenging for
thousands of people caring forsomeone they love.
It's a job that is demandingand often feels as if it's never
ending.
Caregivers feel alone andlonely.
That's where Caregiver SOS OnAir comes to the rescue.
This half-hour weekly programfeatures nationally known
(26:38):
gerontologist Carol Zerniel andattorney and veteran broadcaster
Ron Aaron Ooh.
That's me Saturday evening at6.30 on AM 1070 and FM 103.3,.
The Answer.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
The truth is here, from Conroe to Aldine, from
Humboldt to Cypress, fairbanksand all along the North Beltway.
Are you seeking intelligent,conservative conversation on FM
radio?
Chris DeGaulle, mike Gallagher,charlie Kirk, hugh Hewitt,
larry Elder, jay Sekulow andDennis Prager are right here on
(27:12):
FM 1033, the Answer.
Fm 1033, the Answer.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Here we come.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Walking down the street.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
We get the funniest looks from everyone we meet.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Hey, hey, we're the monkeys and people say we're
mocking around, we're too busysinging to put anybody down Go
where we want down.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Okay, welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
The Answer.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Rudy, I don't know where you want to take this, but
I think we've talked enoughabout ashes and I think I would
prefer to go on to the wholeidea of fasting too.
What's the whole point offasting and almsgiving and all
the other?
As Stuart said, is it apenitential season, and what do
(28:09):
we mean by a penitential?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
season.
Right, exactly, that wasactually Rudy's word for it.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Go ahead, Rudy.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, no, no, I think it's a crucial thing, right.
So there's a lot of symbolism,right, and I think it's steeped
in a lot of history, but one ofthe main things that happens
with Lent, too, is thisparticular time.
So we're sort of preparing,right, we're preparing when
we're preparing, but one of thethings that we're called to is
(28:41):
to fast, right, and particularlyI mean, as the Church puts it,
from certain types of food.
Now, of course, there's certainhealth restrictions.
Some people can't fast, somepeople maybe are diabetic, you
know.
So there's a couple of things,but it doesn't always have to be
food, right, there's a lot ofthings that distract us, that
(29:03):
essentially bring, let's say, aparticular type of pleasure or
can deflect our attention fromwhat's truly sort of, let's say,
important and matters in life.
And this is the time, thisparticular time is something
that we're called to focus onand it's how we essentially
(29:26):
reconnect, right.
So there's a particular passagewhere they ask Jesus but Master
, where did we see you?
right, and Jesus responds youknow, when you didn't visit me
in the jails, when you didn'tfeed me, when you didn't clothe
(29:46):
me, and sometimes, you know, weand myself I live a very
privileged, very privileged lifeand I'm very, very thankful for
the blessings that God hasgiven me.
But sometimes it's important tofeel and one of the things that
I fact with is food butsometimes it's important to feel
(30:09):
the bite of hunger.
You know, it sort of ignitesthis understanding in you that
you come to this realizationthat there's a lot of people
really suffering in the worldand there's a lot of people that
don't have enough to eat, thatmaybe aren't warm in the winters
(30:30):
or don't have a home oranything to be on.
So it's an important time rightnow to kind of take inventory
of the things that we have andto be thankful, but also to look
outside of yourself and to seehow we can be true disciples,
right at least within thecalling that we receive.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
David?
Do Baptists practice thepractices of Lent?
Is there any sense of a seasonlike this.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Yeah, it depends upon the church.
There are some that do and somethat don't, but more and more
Protestants are sort ofreturning to that, because I
think there's a sense of historyand importance of liturgy that
people are reclaiming andimportance of liturgy that
people are reclaiming.
And today, in the modern world,you know it might begin with
(31:25):
ashes and the imposition ofashes, but ashes are a symbol of
the fact that we are to humbleourselves and to come to God
humbly.
And so it is a penitentialseason, just like other
religions might hold, Just likeStuart, you have penitential
seasons as well.
(31:46):
Absolutely high holiday season,yeah, so important, because we
are preparing our hearts forEaster.
And so these 40 days of Lent,which doesn't include six days
of Sundays, so it's 46 days inall is a season of getting the
(32:07):
body and the heart and the mindand the spirit and everything
kind of lined up together,hopefully in union with God and
with the church and with God'speople.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Stuart, what's what is let me ask you this question,
and I ask it of all of thethree of us, of four of us
Exactly the word penitential InSpanish.
It's interesting because, rudy,you know that in the word
penitencia, now the wordpenitencia, now what penitencia
(32:45):
in Spanish has the?
If you were going to translateit, you would call it punishment
.
Really Penitentiary, wouldn'tyou say, rudy, like penitentiary
, rudy?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think I mean when I think of penance,
it's penance.
It's like a penitentiary it'spenitentiary.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yes, well, the word penitentiary in Spanish
penitencia means punishment,penitencia means punishment, and
so when you say when I wasgrowing up, that was something
that I had to deal with when youcall it a penitential season,
(33:32):
what I'm hearing is a season ofpunishment.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But I thought that, like what Rudy?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
said Go ahead, Rudy.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Well, it's interesting because jails are
also called penitentiary.
Right, Right yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
So, david, and.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, we don't look at it as punishment as much as
the idea of repentance.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And I don't know that you'll hear many Protestants
using the term penitentialseason as much as maybe in
Catholic theology, but for usit's more of a time of
consciously turning to God.
Consciously turning.
You were talking earlier aboutwhat you fast from, and I heard
this morning at church a fellowminister talk about how he was
(34:30):
one of the things he had chosenand felt like he needed to
surrender was listening to theradio in the car.
Now, apparently he didn'tlisten to AIM 1070,.
The Answer because he wouldn'thave made
that decision.
But I mean, I can see what he'ssaying because he was saying
that, you know, when I have alonger time in the car, there's
(34:52):
more time to pray, more time tothink, more time to practice
God's presence, as opposed tojust turning on the radio and
letting that airways be filled,right, that kind of thing so,
but it's a conscious turning togod, which is what, which is
what we see in the life of jesusafter he was tempted.
Um, we see that he he wellbefore actually, uh, when he is
(35:16):
is baptized.
He's not turning to god, buthis life is taking a change.
There's a turning point in hislife, let's say, and he's
turning now to a public ministrythat was going to be unique and
important, and so we're to dothe same, we're to do the same,
rudy, when you were talkingabout getting rid of the things
(35:39):
that distract you from God, thatwas in reference to people
Catholics giving stuff up forLent, correct?
Speaker 6 (35:51):
It could be yeah, and I guess how I could expand
stuff.
It could be Netflix.
It could be not getting onTwitter.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
But, Rudy, there doesn't seem to me to be an
element of punishment in that.
That is a choice to say I needto redirect my attentions.
That's not punishment, though,is it?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Well, no, and I think that's sort of the dichotomy
Mario's talking about too, isthe way the word sounds.
Right, it's like penance, it'ssomething that you're supposed
to be punishing, but the realityis it's quite liberating, right
, Because it frees you fromthese things that have us you
(36:33):
know, I think we would all arguein some sense enslaved.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
That they have us.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Go ahead, Robert.
No, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Well, and so when we take these moments, I think it's
important because there's somuch noise in the world today,
and I think this is why thistime is so critical and I wanted
to spend a little bit of time,because the fasting, the sort of
outward symbolism, right asmuch as the ashes.
Okay, yeah, that's only one day, but it's this continual
(37:06):
fasting, right, and thiscontinual let's call it
penitence or giving something up, but what you're doing is
really, at least from theCatholic perspective, is we're
turning over sin, right, we'returning over these things that
distract us from God, and tryingto deepen this relationship,
(37:27):
and that's what we're reallyfocused on in this time.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Rudy.
A couple of nights ago, middleof last week, it was about 11
o'clock at night and I decidedto turn on.
God help me.
What's it called?
I forgot the name.
But give me a second TikTok, oh.
(37:50):
Rabbi, when I looked up it was3 o' tick, tock oh rabbi, when I
when I looked up, it was threeo'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Four hours and I didn't even realize how the time
went, and talk aboutdistractions and and things that
suck the life out of you.
I just it was.
I was stunned.
Stunned that it just it.
It it just time didn't?
The clocks didn't seem to tickand it was like four hours later
(38:19):
.
So there are plenty of thingsthat distract us and, I think,
that are meant to distract us.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Well, you know, the Chinese have those four hours of
yours.
You should ask for them back.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, I wish I could.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Four hours.
You should ask for them back.
Yeah, I wish I could, rabbi.
I think the thing thatsurprised me the most is the
amount of scientific study thathas gone in to find ways to keep
you engaged right.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
To addict you.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Yeah, but did you feel tired?
I'm sure you felt tired thenext day.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yes, because that was lack of sleep.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
And how one flows into another One will be funny,
the next will be cute, the nextwill be intellectual.
It touches all the buttons andkeeps you looking.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
You know there's this program.
I know we have to go to a break, but in the past year something
I've done it's called Exodus 90.
And essentially it's a group ofguys and it's at least
specifically for men, the one Iparticipate in.
But we get together once a weekand it's via Zoom.
(39:38):
But it's kind of this veryparticular giving up of quote,
unquote, these comforts, right,for example, taking only cold
showers, going to work out everyday, doing some sort of
exercise, cutting out sugars.
So these are the things thatyou sort of engage in and
(40:02):
unintentionally right, but in asense to stop distracting you,
to kind of get you to refocus.
And I know that if we don't goto a break, Father Mario is
going to.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yes, I'm going.
Going to.
Yes, I'm going to have a cow.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He knows you so well, he can see you even though he's
not here.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
This is 1070 KNGH and we'll be right back AM 1070 and
FM 103.3, the answer.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
You heard me talk about Relief Factor and how so
many people enjoy a better, morepain-free life because of it.
If you're dealing with everydaypain, it makes sense you'd want
to try it first.
Well, relief Factor makes thatpretty pain-free too with their
three-week quick start kit foronly $19.95.
An easy, affordable way to seehow it could literally change
your life, like it has mine.
Relief Factor is a dailysupplement that fights pain.
(40:46):
Naturally Developed by doctors,relief Factor doesn't just mask
pain temporarily.
It helps reduce or eliminatepain.
In fact, the longer you take it, the more effective it is.
Trying it couldn't be easierwith their three-week quick
start for only $19.95, less thana dollar a day and it just
takes a phone call to1-800-4-RELIEF that's
1-800-the-number-4-RELIEF.
1-800-the-number-4-relief.
(41:08):
Four relief wherever you'rehaving pain.
Every day you feel better is aday you live better.
Try relief factors.
Three-week quick start.
Visit relief factorcom that'srelief factorcom or call 1-800,
the number for relief.
Speaker 9 (41:21):
800 for relief, for relief factor you can hear this
today at preggertopiacom.
Speaker 12 (41:28):
I'm a very picky eater, it's hard for me to go
out to restaurants and orderthings off the menu without
altering it, and I was wonderingif you thought that was rude or
okay to do.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
I think it's entirely okay to do my wife, for example
.
She insists on putting avocadoin virtually everything she eats
.
You know they charge $26 extraand everybody's happy except me.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
Hear the entire episode.
It's for PragerTopia.
Members only Go to Prager Topia.
Members only Go topragertopiacom.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Mike Gallagher explains the president's stance
on the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
He wants the killing to end, he wants the war to end
and he's not going to take aside Because there are young
Russian boys that are beingkilled, there are young
Ukrainians being killed.
It's a humanity issue and I'mconfident President Trump is
going to help broker peacebetween these two nations.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
The Mike Gallagher Show weekday mornings at 8, 1070
and FM 1033.
The answer.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Come on, baby, let's do the twist.
Come on, baby, let's do thetwist.
Come on, baby, let's do thetwist.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Take me by my little hand and go like this Be a twist
, baby, baby twist.
I didn't get that one.
And welcome back to the show offaith.
(43:04):
Here we go.
Rudy, where do you want to gonext?
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Okay, I wanted to kind of close out and talk a
little bit about some of thethings that within each of our
traditions there's certainsymbols and outward facing
elements that we do.
And, rabbi, I thought of youand, sorry, I'm going to say the
(43:29):
name Is it called the kippah?
What?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
The head covering.
The head covering yeah, yeah,kippah or yarmulke.
Yarmulke is actually German,from the center of Germany, but
kippah is more the modern Hebrew, and it's a thing that men wear
(43:59):
in order to keep God on theirmind, remind that there's
someone above you.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
And I find it interesting because it's
something that you engage inevery day, right as much as your
hair allows or doesn't, butit's something that you do every
day, that you engage in, thatpeople can immediately identify.
(44:32):
Yes, I mean because when yousee it you know, okay well that
guy?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Well, there's, yes.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Well, there's a lot of corruption, maybe to people
doing this, maybe for the wrongreasons.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Well, now the corruption is people who aren't
even Jewish wearing them so thatthey can present themselves as
if they are.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
But yes at any rate?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
yes.
But the ashes on the forehead,the crosses around the neck,
stars of David around the neck,any other religious symbol?
People put it on their cars.
They are outwardly expressingtheir religious affiliations.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
So I wanted to talk is there something that you guys
find, within the sort oftoday's day and time, that we
find that has become taboo, thatwe find that has become just
(45:38):
something that's seen in today'sculture by others?
I mean kind of.
I guess I wanted to check thisfrom each of your perspectives.
I mean, father Mark, I thoughtabout the collar right, lamar, I
thought about the collar right,the sort of the white strip
that you wear.
I forget the name, yeah, butthere's certain things that you
(46:01):
wear, right.
I mean, do you still wear thattoday, even though you're
retired?
Does that mean you've got towear that anymore?
Speaker 5 (46:10):
You mean the clerical collar, uh-huh.
Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, you'resupposed to wear it.
Yeah, sometimes I wear it andsometimes I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
But are you supposed to wear it all the time?
Speaker 5 (46:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
When you're doing priestly stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
But I don't understand.
What did you mean by?
What does that have to do with?
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Rudy, I want to add something to what I said.
I think that these expressionsstart over, that the wearing of
these visible signs of religiousaffiliation are physical,
tangible, touchable signs of aspiritual relationship.
Do you remember and this is, Ibelieve, I think, more
Protestant than Catholic, but doyou remember?
(46:54):
Well, you may not have evenbeen born yet, but there were
people who would wear braceletsand on the bracelet it would say
WWJD what would Jesus do?
And it's a physical reminder ofa spiritual relationship and
human beings need their physicalreminders.
We need things physically toremind us.
(47:17):
You know, sometimes to do theright thing, we need our
physical reminders, and it couldbe a cross, it could be a Star
of David, it could be anything.
You know, religious jewelry ofany kind, you know it could be.
The Sikh community has a turban, I believe.
(47:38):
Right, yeah, many religions, ifnot all religions, one way or
the other have physicalexpressions of the spiritual
relationship that theypersonally believe in.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Well, part of that, I think, is a recognition that
we're deeply embodied humanbeings.
I mean human beings.
None of us have ever seen ahuman being that didn't have a
body, and there's just somethingabout being physically bodied
that means that we need thesethings, or that these things are
(48:15):
useful to us.
Helpful to us.
Could we do without it?
Well, probably, yes, we could.
And there are some churchtraditions where you walk into
the church and somebody askedabout this the other day at our
Lanier Theological Library theywalked into their church and
they had white on their wallsand they had no crosses, they
(48:36):
had no artwork, no stained glasswindows, those kinds of things,
which is not obviously the waythat the church has been
throughout all of history.
But that's a movement that issaying that we are not those
people that need that physicalreminder.
(49:06):
But I think we are Christ, whichI know is a deeply Christian
ideal.
Is necessitates the fact thatwe have these physical,
touchable, smellable, tangiblereminders of faith, and then it
brings us back to our body.
(49:27):
It brings us back.
I think that's what the ashesare about.
I think the ashes are there tobring us back to our body.
And if we want to think aboutreligions only between our ears
and only in our head, and onlyin some esoteric, futuristic,
far-off thing.
Well, doggone it.
We ought to be reminded thatreligion is about the fact that
(49:51):
everyone is fading, right?
Every human being that's aliveright now is fading, and their
bodies are going to fade andthey're going to, through
weakness, enter into death.
So all of that is a reminder ofthat.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
I'm reminded of something I was reading in this
book Sapiens.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar with it.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
What's the?
Speaker 6 (50:18):
name of it Sapiens, sapiens.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (50:24):
Like Homo sapiens.
It's an anthropologist.
I think he's actually Israeli,but quite atheist.
Great pitfalls in his book is alot of the early burials that
(50:54):
we find with human remains.
Have people adorned with things, with bracelets, with headwear,
with these sorts of symbols?
Right, this focus?
And it's interesting to thinkabout how long since time was
time, or since humans werehumans, humans have been
(51:15):
concerned about, in some essence, these symbols and the beauty,
I would say, of these symbols.
Right, because they point tothe greatest love of all and
that's, I mean, I would arguethat's God.
Right, but they point tosomething eternal and and every
(51:37):
human being, I think, whether we, we want to accept it or not,
has this notion of of eternityand has this notion of of that.
There's that this, this liferight now, is just transient,
and whether you believe that itall ends and the lights go out
(51:58):
and nothing ever happens, okay,but you still have actions that
you perform with other peoplethat are going to live on
forever, because those actionsare going to have repercussions
across generations and acrossgenerations and across
generations.
So there's really a lot ofthings that I think culturally
(52:20):
depend so much on the way thatwe carry these symbols and the
meaning that we carry with them,like you were saying, rabbi.
So I find these types of actionseven though maybe it might seem
silly, or some people use it ina corrupt way, like you were
saying, rabbi, that they want tobe part of something when
they're not, or, mario, right,they show up to church on two
(52:43):
days out of the entire year intothis notion that humans, we
seek this sort of meaningsomehow and to align ourselves
with, let's call it, a tribe ora people or a group, right, that
we sort of belong to thisidentity that we seek.
And well for us, it's identityin Christ that we find this
(53:08):
transcendence right.
So I know we've got about twominutes left so far.
I think maybe you should do theclosing?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Well, not yet, but let me ask one question of David
and Stuart.
Is the book of Esther in yourBible?
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
But is it because the book of Esther?
I was looking at chapter 14,verse 2, and it doesn't.
Is there part of the book ofEsther that is not in your Bible
?
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Correct Ten chapters.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
That's the problem, because where I was getting, I
was talking about Esther puts,you know, rips her clothes.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's an addition to the book of Esther.
Speaker 5 (53:51):
Yeah, I don't know where the history is of that I
don't know either, because whatI was looking at was esther,
chapter 14, verse 2, and I foundthat it's only in the book of
the in the catholic bible davidwould know all about david david
yeah, yeah, the the, the one inthe protestant bible.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
Uh, it is.
Does not have the additions toesther yeah um, it ends in
chapter 13,.
I think I'm trying to readexactly how many chapters are
there?
Well yeah, there are additionsto Esther that are found, and it
could well be these have anancient history.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (54:26):
Yeah, Okay.
Well, we've only got 15 secondsleft.
So who's in charge next week?
I am Okay's in charge next week.
I am Okay.
Stuart is on next week.
Folks, thank you for listeningto us here in the Shoe of Faith.
Keep us in your prayers, youknow, because every single week
you are going to be in ours.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!