May 26, 2025 • 54 mins
What if our bodies aren't really ours? This question launches an illuminating interfaith exploration of physical existence that challenges our culture's deeply individualistic approach to health and wellness.
"You did not create yourself," reminds one panelist, prompting us to consider a revolutionary perspective: perhaps we're not owners but stewards of our physical forms. The rabbi, priest, minister, and millennial theologian each bring their tradition's wisdom to bear on how we might reimagine our relationship with our bodies as sacred gifts rather than personal property.
When Father Mario suggests we're "entrusted" with our bodies—like borrowed books expected to be returned in good condition—the conversation shifts from what we can do with our bodies to what we should do with them. This framing transforms even mundane health practices into potentially sacred acts. As Rudy confesses that his workout motivations evolved from vanity to longevity, Rabbi Stuart gently challenges listeners to spiritualize physical activities: "Why don't we see a sign at the gym that says 'I have entrusted you with your body, take care of it. Signed, God'?"
The most moving moment comes when Father Mario shares the story of a man with Parkinson's disease who expressed profound gratitude for his condition: "In having to deal with this illness, I have come to understand and know God in such a more intimate way that I would never trade my health for what I have now." This testimony stands in stark contrast to our culture's relentless pursuit of physical perfection at any cost.
The panel explores how Jesus prioritized spiritual healing before physical restoration in biblical accounts, suggesting our contemporary fixation with physical wellness often comes at the expense of spiritual health. They cite St. Francis de Sales: "Take reasonable care of your body for the sake of your soul, but do not become so attached to bodily health that you are disturbed when you lack it."
Whether you're wrestling with health challenges, questioning your fitness motivations, or simply seeking a more integrated approach to wellness, this conversation offers a compassionate reframing of physical existence that honors both body and soul. Join us in discovering how caring for your body might become an act of reverence rather than routine.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I got to beware
.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
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Everybody look what's goingdown.
There's battle lines beingdrawn.
Nobody's right if everybody'swrong.
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Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance from behind Everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome to A Show of Faith where professors, priests,
millennials and rabbbi discusstheology, philosophy, morality,
ethics and anything else ofinterest in religion.
If you have any response to ourtopics or any comments
regarding what we say, likeDebra did last week or two weeks
ago, we would love to hear fromyou.
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Our professor is David Capes,protestant minister, director of
academic programming for theLanier Theological Library.
Long live the king.
And speaking of king, rudy Kongis our millennial.
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He's a systems engineer and hashis master's degree in theology
from the University of StThomas and not feeling his oats
today.
Our priest is Fr Mario Arroyo,retired pastor of St Cyril of
Alexandria in the 10,000 blockof Westheimer.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Hello, hello you feeling okay?
No, I'm not.
I can hear it.
Yeah, I had a heck of a cold.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh boy.
Well, today we're talking aboutbody and health and all that
stuff, so you should giveyourself rest.
Yeah.
I'm Rabbi Stuart Federo,retired rabbi from Congregation
Shari Shalom, the Clear Lakearea of Houston, texas.
Retired rabbi from CongregationShari Shalom, the Clear Lake
area of Houston, texas.
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Miranda is our board operatorand together with Valerie.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
They help us sound fantastic and I what's the sound
of one hand clapping?
No, that's two hands clappingTwo hands clapping Right.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes, okay, so Good job, stuart.
Well, thank you, I do my best,okay, so tonight our topic is
the human body.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Do we hear from Rudy?
By the way, rudy, did we hearfrom him?
I am Okay, there, he is there.
He is Good, good, good.
How far are you from CaliColumbia?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
From Cali Columbia is about two hours 40 flight.
Okay, that's nothing, it's atwo hour flight.
He should come and see you.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yes, I'm going to be down there lecturing in the fall
.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So he really needs to come and see you.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, you need to come see me and bring your wife
too.
Bring your wife.
Yeah, all right, I'll let youknow when, as soon you know, as
soon as we make those times.
Anyway, I've been to Columbiabefore.
I've been to Medellin, columbia, a few years ago, and I had
just a fabulous time.
I had a couple of lecturesthere and got to know some of
the people, and I haven't beenback in about five or six years.
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So, looking forward to it, I'vegot to work on my Spanish
between now and then, but boy,well two people online on with
us you can practice with.
I know I'll have plenty ofpractice.
Yes, you should.
Now is this microphone workingright here, so is that one?
Okay, is that one is.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes, both of them.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Both of them are working.
Okay, there you go, man.
All right, I want to make sure.
Yes, make sure.
Anyway, what are we going to bedoing?
You're show director tonight.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I am show director, so direct we're talking about
the human body.
Okay.
And this is a little bit mytake, but there are two ways to
look at the human body that weare made in the image of God.
Right.
Okay that the human body is thewhat's the word?
The temple of the soul.
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Okay, if how we look at thebody determines what we do with
the body.
If we say the body is mine andI can do anything I want with it
, it's mine, or you can say,which I think is the religious
response, no, you are given thebody, but the body ultimately
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belongs to God.
If the body belongs to God,that obligates us to treat it, I
believe, in a certain way.
If we say that the body belongsto us, then we can do what we
please with it, like any otherpossession.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
So, but can?
Can, when you think about it?
Can we do what we want with anypossession?
Though I mean, part of theresponse is is is the response
of a person who is believer inGod, as a person who's, who's
engaged with God and his or herdaily life, or is this just a
person who just sort of has adistant understanding, that kind
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of thing?
Because I think that makes allthe difference.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So do I.
Yeah, so do I.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
I think that it's part of it?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And if we say that we are made in the image of God,
what exactly does that tell usabout God in terms of the human
image?
What does it mean to be made inthe image of God?
Is that physical, is itspiritual?
Is it both?
So I think just talking aboutthe human body as the base of
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our discussion leads to allsorts of different directions of
the conversation.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, I mean there's a whole lot of words, a whole
lot of books and things beingwritten these days on kind of a
philosophy of the body,philosophy of I hope they're
religious books.
Oh yeah, they are, they are.
It's the theology ofanthropology, in a way.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
The theology of anthropology.
Okay, way, the theology ofanthropology.
Okay, all right.
It's what is a?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
man, what is human being and what is humanity and
what composes, comprises aperson in a way.
So when you think about well, Ihave a body or I am a body,
right, that's a different idea.
Yes, also true, I am a bodywhich also leads in different
directions.
I am a body, or I have a bodyor I am a body, right, that's a
different idea.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yes, also true, I am a body which also leads in
different directions.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I am a body or I have a body.
Is that part of basically,fundamentally, what it means to
be me or a human being?
And then are there otheraspects of my being, like soul
and spirit and those kind ofthings and mind and mind.
Yeah, and how does the mind?
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This is a really interestingquestion these days.
How does the mind relate to thebrain?
Are they sort of together, oris there a mind or consciousness
?
Where does it come from?
Consciousness?
That is outside of an extensionof the brain, but then we have
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a way of thinking of the mindbeing in a sense separate from.
We can't really.
You know, I'm just kind ofblown away here by all the
thoughts that I'm having aboutthoughts and thinking.
Right, right, and the idea ofthinking as opposed to it's
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maybe in the brain, but is athought a part of that brain or
is the thought an extension ofthat brain?
How do these thoughts and somuch of our thought goes into
our language, because every wordis a thought expressed, right?
No, we have thoughts we don'texpress.
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Thank goodness for that, right?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And having the thought do our thoughts condemn
us?
Yeah, Another element of this.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, right, and what do those thoughts do?
So, anyway, there's so manyelements to this, right, and
what do those thoughts do?
So, anyway, there's so manyelements to this.
It's not only what can we dowith our bodies, but what does
that say about God?
And what are we to do with ourbodies from a standpoint of Jew,
of.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Judaism and Catholicism and Protestantism.
There's a lot of differentelements, right?
So, gentlemen on the phone, dowe own our bodies or are we lent
our bodies?
Mario you're able to speak.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I don't want to push your you know, I I wanted to say
something that, um, I presumeand I always do.
I always like to at least umvoice our presumptions that
we're talking about theJudeo-Christian tradition,
because if you're talking abouthumanity in and of itself, you
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know, for example, the Hindutradition or the Buddhist
tradition holds that the body isactually part of the
contamination of the spirit thathas to be discarded.
That doesn't mean that youmisuse it, but the body is
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actually not considered in thesame way that the human being in
Christianity and Judaism isunderstood.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
We're talking about Christianity and Judaism here
Absolutely, and I think that weall make the assumption that we
are lent our bodies, but thatmeans that we have to take care
of our bodies.
If it's not ours and we arelent something.
If I lend you a book, I expectto get the book back in halfway
decent shape.
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I expect it to be maintainedand protected.
I would like to get the bookback in halfway decent shape.
I expect it to be maintainedand protected.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I would like to use the word entrusted with our
bodies, perfect Because I thinkit is a trust.
It is you did not, you know.
I always like to remind peoplethat you did not create yourself
.
You weren't in the wombdirecting you know when your
heart would be connected to yournerves and stuff like that.
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You are given you are entrustedwith a self.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yes, this shows my age, but if I created my own
body, I'd look like Clark Gable.
Yep, clark Gable.
Well, I couldn't think ofsomebody quicker, but that's the
first person I can think of.
Yeah, okay, I just sawsomething about him on Google or
something Facebook.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah Right, I like the idea of being entrusted with
because I think it's completelyin line with Scripture.
You know, being a Scripturescholar, that I am.
Yes, you are I always thinkabout these things.
You know that, god, while wewere yet in the womb.
God is fashioning our bodiesright.
God is knitting our bodiestogether.
It's not that we had anythingto say about it.
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I didn't have a choice whetherI was born in this country or
another one.
I didn't have the choice of whomy parents would be.
I didn't have the choice ofwhat my skin color would be, I
didn't have any of those choices.
Those were-.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
How smart you would be, how gullible, how, all the
things.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
All the things that make a person a person right?
So yeah, these things areentrusted to us, and the
question is what do we do withthat?
How do we safeguard that?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
in a sense got a couple minutes before the break.
Rudy, I'd like to ask you aquestion.
Do you work out?
Speaker 6 (11:54):
I do why?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
my, my real question is what's your motivation to
work out?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
he's got a.
He's got a beautiful new wife.
That's why he's guest-worn.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Go ahead.
When I first started I thinkthere was a bit of vanity, but
nowadays I think when I thinkabout working out, no, I do a
lot more.
Functional things Stretching Ido lift heavy weights.
Functional things stretching Ido lift heavy weights and I find
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myself doing things that haveshown there's a lot of studies
that have shown that can helpyou prolong your life and give
you a good quality of life.
I've had some grandparents thathave gotten to an older age,
specifically my grandmother, forexample, who I've seen just
kind of be stuck in a wheelchair.
She can't get up and you know,when people get a little bit
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older they kind of lose somebodily functions and you know
she can't.
She has to have kind of a nurseor a family member around her
to help her.
You know, use the restroom.
So when I think about gettingolder and I think about, you
know I don't want to be a burdento myself, not that older
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people are a burden.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, but we know what you mean.
We're facing the same thing.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, you know yeah, I mean you don't want to be
somebody that your kids worryabout.
You know what's dad going to do, so I want to get to the to an
age as much as I possibly canwith you know, with with being
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able to drive around and beingbeing able to do walk around
normally and get up, I mean sojust be independent, right being
independent, being independentas long as possible.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
As long as possible.
Yeah, but see, rudy, and Iapologize to you for using you
as a guinea pig and every one ofus will react the same way.
Why don't we say, or why, whenwe go to a gym, is there not a
sign on the wall that says a gym?
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Is there not a sign on the wallthat says uh, I have entrusted
you with your body, take care ofit.
Signed god, why, why is it thatour motivation isn't?
I've been given a gift and it'sup to me to maintain it and we
never think of that we neverthink of that.
That I know of that I've talkedto people never think of that.
We think in terms of and Idon't think it's wrong, I really
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don't I want to look my best, Iwant to feel my best, I don't
want to be a burden when I'molder.
All the everything you said Ithink is real and legitimate and
good reasons to, to to go tothe gym, but it's not the only
reason.
All right, we got to go to agym, but it's not the only
reason.
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Speaker 5 (18:21):
On AM 1070 Answer we're talking about tonight, the
human body and image of God.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Right.
So what does it mean to be inthe image of God?
Does it mean God has a big toe,an ankle?
I don't think so god walks intothe guard, walks in the garden
of eden in the cool of the day,so he's, he's got a heel, ankle,
calf knee.
I mean that that's not how.
I mean it's a fancy term.
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Anthropological, yeah.
Imagery, yeah, but does thatmean that that's a fancy term?
Anthropological imagery, butdoes that mean that that's how?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
we imagine.
No, it means it's calledanthropomorphic.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That's what I said.
You weren't listening.
So then, yeah, thou shalt notlie, all right, so at any rate,
yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
So, father Mario, what does that language sort of
mean?
Why do we speak that way aboutGod?
If God doesn't have a big toe,if he doesn't have an earlobe
with which he helps to hear ourprayers or eyelashes where he
sees us and such we often speakin those ways.
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Why do we do that?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We often speak in those ways.
Why do we do that?
Well, the important part isbecause we have no other way to
speak about God.
God is supra-natural, meaningthat we can know him by our
reason and by the signs that areleft of him in nature.
But also he is not bound bynature, and so we can speak to
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him now, speak of him using theimages of human beings and how
we are built, and because that'sall we have.
We cannot imagine what isunimaginable.
God is infinitely greater.
That's why the Catholic Churchalways reminds people that
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theology is both positive andnegative, in the sense that
negative doesn't mean bad.
It just means that whenever wesay that, for example, God is
our Father God is our Father istrue, but at the same time I can
also say God is is our Father.
God is our Father is true, butat the same time I can also say
God is not our Father.
Why?
Because he's not subject to thelimitations of our concept of
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Fatherhood.
And so we have to.
We use anthropomorphic language, but we always understand that
that anthropomorphic languagehas its limits, limits, and it
should not be carried to itsultimate conclusion of
identifying God as having a bigtoe or stuff like that.
Now in this situation though andI don't want to get into it too
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much, unless you guys want tofollow that the whole issue of
the Incarnation, because for us,you know in Christians, the
central part of the incarnation,because for us, you know, in
Christians we the central partof the Christian tradition is
that the God of that, the God ofIsrael, became a human being,
which, of course, that's adivision between Jews and
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Christian right, and so so it'sinteresting, because and I'll
say this and I'll shut up afterthis but if you guys remember,
in the Christian Gospels, whenyou have the whole idea of the
transfiguration, the two peoplethat are seen with Jesus in the
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transfiguration, who are they?
David?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Moses and Elijah.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Okay, and who are the what?
Why are those two people theones that are chosen?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Well, a couple of things come to mind, but one of
the things is that Mosesrepresents the law and Elijah
represents the prophets, theprophets, but it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I heard another interpretation which.
I thought, was very interestingand that is that those are the
two people in the HebrewScriptures that wanted to see
the face of God and could not.
They were not allowed to seethe face of God.
And the reason that they arethere is that at this moment in
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Jesus' life, in thetransfiguration, god now has a
human face.
And since God has a human face,they are allowed to see the
face of God, whereas before youcould not see it before, unless
you were going to die.
But Jesus has a human face.
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So the body for us in theChristian tradition is the
beginning of the revelation ofGod in a human form.
So in a sense God does have abig toe, but not in the sense of
the God, the Father.
It's in the incarnation we seethe face of God and we see God
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become human.
There's a part in the Catholictradition in the Mass that it
says when the priest is gettingthe wine and is ready for
consecration, he pours a littlebit of water in there and he
says by mingling of this waterand wine may we come to share in
the humanity, in the divinityof Christ, in the divinity of
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Christ from the way he calledhimself to share in our humanity
.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
So you know, for us that's the little caveat, yeah
yeah, you know a lot of what welearn and I know we've got to go
to break here in a second, butalmost any time we take
something that is unknown and wetry to analyze it with an
analogy.
I analyze it with an analogy.
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For example, I remember thefirst time I had frog legs it
had been years ago, frog legshave you ever had frog legs?
No, okay, totally not kosher.
Well, totally not kosher.
Were they good?
Were they good?
All right, I got to vote here,miranda.
Anyway, I had never had thembefore and I think I was in
Georgia.
Tastes like chicken.
Well, that was the thing Peoplesaid.
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I don't know what it tasteslike.
And they say to me well, sinceyou don't know, it tastes like
chicken, right.
So I mean, you've heard thatkind of joke all the time, but
in a sense, that's how we learnthings that are unknown.
That's how we learn things.
By comparing them by comparingthem to things that we know.
So I can speak about Godhearing prayers and seeing us
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and God laughing and God'sstrength with his mighty right
arm or something.
I can use those analogies tospeak about that, but we know
that that's not the fullness ofwhat God is, but it gives us
language with which to approachand to approach it, and that
means that there's somethinggood.
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Going back to the incarnation,there's something really good
about our bodies.
Our bodies aren't bad.
They're not nasty, they're notdirty, they're not this or that.
Yeah, they are going to get oldand they're going to decay and
they're going to go away, butthat's not means that this body
is not itself fundamentally good, like creation was in the very
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beginning and we've got to goback.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We've got to solve it .
It was good.
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Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
The Answer Debbie in Spring,happy birthday coming up in six
days and she writes toashowoffaith1070 at gmailcom.
When the Reader's Digest waswidely read, there was food for
thought included at the end ofsome articles.
One has stuck with me all theseyears.
This is not a word-for-wordquote, but thousands of laws on
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the books and all we really needare the Ten Commandments.
Debbie in Spring, thank you forthat.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
That was a response to our discussion a few weeks
ago or a week ago that wementioned the ten commandments
yeah, and you know the tencommandments are still in the
news.
Uh, the law, I think this pastweek, yes, they kind of moved
their way through the senate,texas state senate or or one of
the committees right to moveinto schools.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Put them in the school, which is what we talked
about last week.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Exactly, right, exactly so and you know there's
a there's.
There's a thing that I wasgoing to read later on, if it
seemed appropriate, from 1Corinthians 6, verse 19,.
Which is something that goes tothe effect that there's a lot
of things that are notlegislated and some people, you
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know, it's not a law against it,basically.
And so people say, well, ifthere's not a law against it, it
must mean it's permitted.
But Paul goes on to say, well,there's a lot of things that are
lawful but they're not alwayshelpful, and so we have to
distinguish between what islawful and then what is helpful
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to us.
And not everything that we do,whether it's not a law, is going
to lead us to glorify God inthese bodies anymore, because
ultimately that's what we'resupposed to be doing.
This body is supposed to beused to glorify God and not
necessarily for myself to makeme you know this or that, um, to
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to bring me physical pleasureor to do, uh, I don't know what,
whatever our bodies aren't forthat Our bodies are really made
for God, by God to God, and sowhen our bodies are sort of
elevated that way and they'repoint people toward God, then
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what we do with our bodies isgoing to be honoring to God.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
David, I don't care what meds you're on, I'm asking
about supplements.
Not meds, but supplements.
Okay, do you take supplements?
Yeah, absolutely why.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
You know I'm not a professional doctor.
I go to doctors and I say tothem you know, wait, but you're
Dr Capes.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I know, but I'm not the kind of doctor that helps
anybody.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
really I'm not that kind of doctor.
I didn't say that either.
But I ask them, you know, given,you know they do blood work and
they come back and say, hey,you're low on this vitamin D,
you're low on sodium, you're lowon this or you're low on that.
So I use that as kind of abarometer to see where, where
the body is supposed to be and Itake those, those vitamins.
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You know, I go to a doctor.
I've had issue with my eyes foryears and she's recommended
this particular kind of vitamin.
I'm going to take that vitaminbecause all my eyes to be as
good as long as they possiblycan, and there's a history of
retinal problems in my family.
Yeah, so I mean, I want the eyesto work.
Therefore, I'm going to do whatthe doctor says.
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So it's a supplement, but Itake it in concert with medical.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I've been told by doctors that when you take
supplements, all you are doingis making your urine more
expensive.
Ow.
That it just flows out of you.
It doesn't really do that much.
And my point is, even if it'sjust one little itty-bitty
little speck of something I need, that it's there for me when I
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need it.
I don't care if it makes mymore expensive.
Make sure, right, yeah, butagain, notice where we went with
the question.
We went with the question,which is normal and good and
right, but what we didn't say isbecause I need to take care of
the gift I've been given, whichis my body.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Well, I think that's implicit, though, isn't it?
It should be.
I mean because, again, I'm notthe expert to be able to do the
blood work and to come back andsay this body needs more of this
kind of you know.
Well, neither am I Right, butI'm going to take a supplement,
but I want to do that forlongevity, to live well, to live
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long, so that in this body Ican glorify God as long as
possible.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
But it's that additional last part that's
important.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
You know, guys, let me read you something.
I sent it to you on WhatsAppand you can see it at the end
there of the feed.
Let me read this to you.
This is written by a gentlemanby the name of Wesley Smith.
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He says Unbalanced and unmooredfrom other goods, health can
become a vessel forself-absorption and for
decadence.
It can cause us to abandon ourcommitment to our highest
principles and to mortgage thefuture to avert any present pain
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.
The future to avert any presentpain.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I can understand the first part.
It can become a vessel forself-absorption and for
decadence.
Anything, anything, anything,anything can be overdone, can
become an obsession, can bemisused and abused, even working
out of the gym or whatever.
But I'm not clear, rudy on thesecond part of this.
It can cause us to abandon ourcommitment to our highest
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principles and to mortgage thefuture to avert the present pain
.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I thought that Well, the last part after Ann, but
listen to the just part.
It can cause us to abandon ourcommitment to our highest
principles.
Stop there, because I can seewhere a person just is so
concerned about their healththat they don't do anything else
for anybody else.
They just take care ofthemselves, right?
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And they're giving anexaggerated amount of time and
resources to their own healthand to their own body and
they're not taking care of theirsouls.
They're not taking care oftheir spiritual health and to
their own body and they're nottaking care of their souls.
They're not taking care oftheir spiritual health.
And I think ultimately we havethat tendency today is not to
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give our attention to ourspiritual health and to give
almost all of our attention toour physical health.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But that's what we do .
We take a look at mirrors.
We don't see our soul.
We take a look at a mirror.
We don't see our mind, we onlysee the physical, and so that
would be what we would, you know, first of all, that's what
we're going to see the flaws inmy big tummy, which is getting
smaller.
It is You've lost some weight.
Yes, I have.
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Yeah, but that's what we see.
That's therefore what we workon.
We forget about the spiritual,we forget about the soul.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, it's interesting.
It's interesting from theperspective of the life of Jesus
.
When the paralytic rememberwhen they're lowering him down,
and the paralytic wants hishealth restored, wants to walk.
But what's the first thing thatJesus says to him your sins are
forgiven.
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Notice that he is looking firstto his spiritual health, and
his physical health is abackground to his spiritual
health.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, I think that's a good interpretation of that
text.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
For we who are Christian impaired, they were
lowering him.
What does that mean?
Like lowering him from a secondfloor?
Yeah, david.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Yeah, I mean this is in Mark gospel chapter two.
There's an episode where Jesusis in a house and there's
probably 30, 40, 50 people thereand there's no room.
People were looking into thewindows or looking at the doors
and it was just jam packed.
They had this man who wasparalyzed, or four, four of them
.
We were carrying him and theycould not get him through the
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door.
So what they did is they went upon the roof which is very
common in those days, flat roofand they actually, in Greek it
says they unroofed the roof.
They pulled the roof back,basically to the chagrin, I'm
sure, of the owner of the house,but they lowered him down into
the middle of this crowd, whereJesus was Right and and Jesus is
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impressed at how they went outof their way.
And it says it's interesting.
Another thing he says is thatJesus seeing their faith.
He's not talking about theparalyzed man, he's looking at
the faith of the men who broughthim.
And the way I sort of explainthat to students and others is
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that sometimes our faith getsvery, very thin and very small
and what really sustains us isthe faith of our friends.
And it's important to havefaithful friends to love you, to
lift you up, to care for you,to help you when you cannot help
yourself basically Part of there-lig of religion.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yes, the reconnection is connecting with other people
.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Absolutely.
And Jesus says to that man.
He doesn't say it to everybody,but he says my son, your sins
are forgiven.
And obviously that caused allsorts of consternation, but he's
privileging the life of thespiritual life before.
If you and I had looked at thatman, we would have said what's
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the main thing that he wants andhe needs?
He needs to walk again, heneeds to rejoin the physical, he
needs to rejoin his family, heneeds to rejoin his.
You know, whatever he wasbefore he got hurt.
He needs to rejoin that.
And Jesus looked at the sameman as to know what he really
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needs before.
He needs the others to get thespiritual all together.
Father Maury, is that right?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yes, I think he gives priority to the health of the
spirit, to the body, and I thinkthat that's the balance that we
need to be able to have.
Take care of your body, butmake sure to you know what good
does it do you to gain the wholeworld and lose your soul.
If you give priority to yourbody and not to your soul, I
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think that's an abuse ofspiritual responsibility, but it
could be both.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
That's what I'm saying about.
Why do we go to the gym?
Why do we take supplements?
You know, why do we go to thegym?
Why do we take supplements?
We can spiritualize the act ofphysical exercise by saying I am
taking care of the body thatGod gave me.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
It's putting a spiritual edge or something.
I agree.
I agree, but it's a balance,because you have to take care of
your spirit before you takecare of yourself, and I think
most people take care much moreof their body than they do of
themselves.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think if you spiritualize the physical
activity.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
It might make them in other ways become more
consciously aware of theirspirit.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
I remember there was a fellow named Peter Lord who
was pastor of a church We've gotto cut it here in a minute
Pastor of a church back inTitusville, florida, and he was
known for spending hours andhours every day in prayer
working on his spirit.
But he said sometimes the mostspiritual thing you can do is
take a nap, you know, becausethere's a connection between
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body and soul.
Right, it's not.
They're disconnected.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
That means since I retired.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
I'm a very spiritual person.
Well, it doesn't sometimes theleast, the least you can.
Oh okay, all right, anyway,let's go to a break.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
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Speaker 3 (43:26):
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Speaker 3 (43:38):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM107.
The Answer Rudy, you just sentus another quote.
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Yeah, so it's a quote from St Francis, st Francis de
Sales, and it says Takereasonable care of your body for
the sake of your soul.
It says take reasonable care ofyour body for the sake of your
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soul, but do not become soattached to bodily health that
you are disturbed when you lackit.
Infirmities of the body areoften profitable to the soul.
Now, of course, I think a lotof that depends on your outlook
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of life, right, and how you viewlet's that.
I know that in their last dyingbreaths they've acknowledged
God and asked for a priest, orasked for some sort of
forgiveness, right, some sort ofatonement, let's call it.
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It's quite interesting, whenwe're feeling healthy and when
we're feeling, you know, I don'tknow sort of immortal right,
like nothing can kind of touchus or break us, how much we
don't tend to be thankful orgrateful for our simple things
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the ability to walk, the abilityto close our hands, the ability
I mean something as silly aswhen you get a cut in your hand
and then you can't use yourright hand and now you're only
kind of able to use your left,and then you really it's just
incredible how much we take forgranted these things and when we
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consider certain infirmitiesand why they happen, and and I
think a lot of people and a lotof people that I've talked to
that are sort of struggling withfaith, religion, god, they they
ask themselves why do goodthings happen to, why do bad
things happen to good people andwhy do good things happen to?
Why do bad things happen to goodpeople and why do good things
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happen to bad people?
Right, it's this kind ofquestion of evil that I think a
lot of people really strugglewith.
Yeah, they take issue withright, and they're good
questions, they're fairquestions and we could probably
do a whole show on it next week.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, we could, but, rudy, that leads me to my next
question, which is like?
In the Bible, it's explicitlystated that things that happen
to our body are punishments fromGod.
I'm not quite sure I always seethat in everything that happens
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to our bodies.
I don't think it is.
No, no.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
I mean, I don't think that's really what the
scriptures teach, that everyinfirmity, every cancer every it
is caused by sin or caused by alack of faithfulness.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
You know what I mean?
Yes, but how many people?
The first thing they go to whensomething bad happens is I'm a
horrible person, it's my fault.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Well, I mean, I think that's part of the soul work
that we need to do, and thisFather Maher you might have
might have you know, going backto the last thing in his
statement here that sometimesinfirmities of the body are
profitable to the soul.
And it's not just old peoplewho have infirmities.
I mean, there are people whoare, who are injured, you know,
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in a, an accident or something,a car accident, and they spend
the rest of their life dealingwith some sort of infirmity, or
somebody who's born with aninfirmity, and they must live
the next part of their life, youknow, with that infirmity.
Maybe it affects how they walk,or affects something.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
It's not my theology that God did it to them.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
No, no, no nor mine either Neither chance happens to
us all, but a part of the soulwork we have to do is, when
these things do happen, to dealwith them in some profitable,
meaningful way.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
What do we?
Speaker 5 (48:10):
do with it.
We're going to search formeaning one way or another,
right, right, and I think that'spart of it, father Mario.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
I agree.
I think we have to put thewhole thing in perspective.
I'll never forget the one I dida homily one time when I asked
the congregation to turn to eachother and say what are they
thankful for, and there was alittle old man in the first row.
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He was kind of bent over and youcould see his hands shaking
because you could see he hadParkinson's and I didn't have
anybody to share with, and so Iwalked down from the altar, from
the sanctuary, and I went tohim and I said what are you
thankful for, sir?
And he looked me straight in theeye, bent over and shaking as
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he was.
He says Father, I'm thankfulfor my Parkinson's.
And I almost fell over.
And I said why are you thankfulfor that?
And he said because, in havingto deal with this illness, I
have come to understand and toknow God in such a more intimate
way that I would never trade myhealth for what I have now.
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Wow.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
That's incredible.
That is incredible.
Yep, A loose translation.
Don't it always seem to go thatyou don't know what you've got
until it's gone?
Speaker 4 (49:37):
It makes us value.
He valued his insight as a partof what the experience of his
Parkinson's as a mortal personyeah.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Man.
That would be so good if wecould all adapt in certain ways.
Like that I'm often concerned.
I've seen a lot of peoplelately lose weight with the shot
.
They go in and take weight andit can be profitable, it can be
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beneficial, but it can also bethe kind of thing Could there
have been another way?
I was thinking about at thesame time.
I was thinking about KarenCarpenter.
Here was Karen Carpenter.
We love her singing on the showweekly the song about Johnny
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Angel.
She was deeply troubled abouther physical health and she
became anorexic and had theseissues.
Ultimately it took her life andsometimes that's the mental
perspective on our lives.
Are there other ways other thanappealing to some sort of
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medical work in order to do whatyou need to do, the work of the
body, the work of the soul, thework of the spirit?
Are there other things?
Spirit, mind, yeah.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Dr Cates, I always recommend this book called Brain
Wars and I know I've mentionedit here a couple times on the
show.
But the amount of supernaturalrecoveries, healings and not
just religion but of having apositive mindset, of having
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there's a story of a guy andI'll send you guys a link if you
want.
But he got diagnosed with this,with this critical illness, and
they told him he was going todie in a couple days.
It was, it was and he prettymuch locked himself in a in a
room and spent the next two orthree months watching comedies
(51:58):
and drinking a lot of vitamin ccompletely healed wow and so
what when you talk about youknow, when we say these things
about, um, having not just aproper health and taking care of
your body, but it's also thespirit and the soul being even
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with that Parkinson's beinggrateful, right, and the whole
aspect that we don't even get tothink about is what Father
Mario just said right now.
Yes, so that man is closer toGod, but the effect that it also
has on the other people aroundus, when, when you see a member
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that has an ailment and theycarry that ailment not, you know
, I thought of blessed CarlosAcuti.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar with the young man.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
I'm not no he was.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
He died maybe ten years ago and he had a terrible
illness and he's's on his waywell, until Pope Francis passed
away, he was on his way tosainthood, but he died very,
very young and some of his lastwords are saying if I have to
die young to convert or to bringpeople closer to God, then
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that's what I need to do, that'swhat needs to happen.
So it's something aboutcarrying let's call it your
cross, your ailment, whatever itmay be, so that you can also
have a positive effect on others.
I think there's fundamentallayers to I don't want to just
call it suffering, but pain andevil that can extract a good
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from it, that when we only thinkof things materially, I think
we lose an entire dimension inthis thing.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
And again I'm going to say that I think what
exercises our spiritual muscleis to take things that are
generally secular or physicaland add to it a spiritual
element.
I think that it would help usbecome aware of our other than
physical needs.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I know we're just about out of time.
Can you give an example of whatyou're talking?
Speaker 3 (54:05):
about Just what we've been saying about.
You know, when we work out, whydo we work out, why do we do
what we do for our bodies?
If we only say it's for myfuture, it's for whatever, and
we were to add, because god gaveme this gift and I need to take
care of it, I think it wouldhelp that.
Okay, all right, this is a showof faith.
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On am 10 70 answer week.
Every week.
We're here, minister, priest,rabbi and millennial.
Keep us in your prayers,because you are certainly going
to be in our prayers.
There's something happening here, what it is ain't
exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere Telling me I got to beware
.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
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Everybody look what's goingdown.
There's battle lines beingdrawn.
Nobody's right if everybody'swrong.
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Young people speak in theirminds Are getting so much
resistance from behind Everytime we stop.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome to A Show of Faith where professors, priests,
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Long live the king.
And speaking of king, rudy Kongis our millennial.
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He's a systems engineer and hashis master's degree in theology
from the University of StThomas and not feeling his oats
today.
Our priest is Fr Mario Arroyo,retired pastor of St Cyril of
Alexandria in the 10,000 blockof Westheimer.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Hello, hello you feeling okay?
No, I'm not.
I can hear it.
Yeah, I had a heck of a cold.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh boy.
Well, today we're talking aboutbody and health and all that
stuff, so you should giveyourself rest.
Yeah.
I'm Rabbi Stuart Federo,retired rabbi from Congregation
Shari Shalom, the Clear Lakearea of Houston, texas.
Retired rabbi from CongregationShari Shalom, the Clear Lake
area of Houston, texas.
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Miranda is our board operatorand together with Valerie.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
They help us sound fantastic and I what's the sound
of one hand clapping?
No, that's two hands clappingTwo hands clapping Right.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes, okay, so Good job, stuart.
Well, thank you, I do my best,okay, so tonight our topic is
the human body.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Do we hear from Rudy?
By the way, rudy, did we hearfrom him?
I am Okay, there, he is there.
He is Good, good, good.
How far are you from CaliColumbia?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
From Cali Columbia is about two hours 40 flight.
Okay, that's nothing, it's atwo hour flight.
He should come and see you.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yes, I'm going to be down there lecturing in the fall
.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So he really needs to come and see you.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, you need to come see me and bring your wife
too.
Bring your wife.
Yeah, all right, I'll let youknow when, as soon you know, as
soon as we make those times.
Anyway, I've been to Columbiabefore.
I've been to Medellin, columbia, a few years ago, and I had
just a fabulous time.
I had a couple of lecturesthere and got to know some of
the people, and I haven't beenback in about five or six years.
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So, looking forward to it, I'vegot to work on my Spanish
between now and then, but boy,well two people online on with
us you can practice with.
I know I'll have plenty ofpractice.
Yes, you should.
Now is this microphone workingright here, so is that one?
Okay, is that one is.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes, both of them.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Both of them are working.
Okay, there you go, man.
All right, I want to make sure.
Yes, make sure.
Anyway, what are we going to bedoing?
You're show director tonight.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I am show director, so direct we're talking about
the human body.
Okay.
And this is a little bit mytake, but there are two ways to
look at the human body that weare made in the image of God.
Right.
Okay that the human body is thewhat's the word?
The temple of the soul.
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Okay, if how we look at thebody determines what we do with
the body.
If we say the body is mine andI can do anything I want with it
, it's mine, or you can say,which I think is the religious
response, no, you are given thebody, but the body ultimately
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belongs to God.
If the body belongs to God,that obligates us to treat it, I
believe, in a certain way.
If we say that the body belongsto us, then we can do what we
please with it, like any otherpossession.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
So, but can?
Can, when you think about it?
Can we do what we want with anypossession?
Though I mean, part of theresponse is is is the response
of a person who is believer inGod, as a person who's, who's
engaged with God and his or herdaily life, or is this just a
person who just sort of has adistant understanding, that kind
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of thing?
Because I think that makes allthe difference.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So do I.
Yeah, so do I.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
I think that it's part of it?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And if we say that we are made in the image of God,
what exactly does that tell usabout God in terms of the human
image?
What does it mean to be made inthe image of God?
Is that physical, is itspiritual?
Is it both?
So I think just talking aboutthe human body as the base of
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our discussion leads to allsorts of different directions of
the conversation.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, I mean there's a whole lot of words, a whole
lot of books and things beingwritten these days on kind of a
philosophy of the body,philosophy of I hope they're
religious books.
Oh yeah, they are, they are.
It's the theology ofanthropology, in a way.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
The theology of anthropology.
Okay, way, the theology ofanthropology.
Okay, all right.
It's what is a?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
man, what is human being and what is humanity and
what composes, comprises aperson in a way.
So when you think about well, Ihave a body or I am a body,
right, that's a different idea.
Yes, also true, I am a bodywhich also leads in different
directions.
I am a body, or I have a bodyor I am a body, right, that's a
different idea.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yes, also true, I am a body which also leads in
different directions.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I am a body or I have a body.
Is that part of basically,fundamentally, what it means to
be me or a human being?
And then are there otheraspects of my being, like soul
and spirit and those kind ofthings and mind and mind.
Yeah, and how does the mind?
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This is a really interestingquestion these days.
How does the mind relate to thebrain?
Are they sort of together, oris there a mind or consciousness
?
Where does it come from?
Consciousness?
That is outside of an extensionof the brain, but then we have
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a way of thinking of the mindbeing in a sense separate from.
We can't really.
You know, I'm just kind ofblown away here by all the
thoughts that I'm having aboutthoughts and thinking.
Right, right, and the idea ofthinking as opposed to it's
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maybe in the brain, but is athought a part of that brain or
is the thought an extension ofthat brain?
How do these thoughts and somuch of our thought goes into
our language, because every wordis a thought expressed, right?
No, we have thoughts we don'texpress.
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Thank goodness for that, right?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And having the thought do our thoughts condemn
us?
Yeah, Another element of this.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, right, and what do those thoughts do?
So, anyway, there's so manyelements to this, right, and
what do those thoughts do?
So, anyway, there's so manyelements to this.
It's not only what can we dowith our bodies, but what does
that say about God?
And what are we to do with ourbodies from a standpoint of Jew,
of.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Judaism and Catholicism and Protestantism.
There's a lot of differentelements, right?
So, gentlemen on the phone, dowe own our bodies or are we lent
our bodies?
Mario you're able to speak.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I don't want to push your you know, I I wanted to say
something that, um, I presumeand I always do.
I always like to at least umvoice our presumptions that
we're talking about theJudeo-Christian tradition,
because if you're talking abouthumanity in and of itself, you
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know, for example, the Hindutradition or the Buddhist
tradition holds that the body isactually part of the
contamination of the spirit thathas to be discarded.
That doesn't mean that youmisuse it, but the body is
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actually not considered in thesame way that the human being in
Christianity and Judaism isunderstood.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
We're talking about Christianity and Judaism here
Absolutely, and I think that weall make the assumption that we
are lent our bodies, but thatmeans that we have to take care
of our bodies.
If it's not ours and we arelent something.
If I lend you a book, I expectto get the book back in halfway
decent shape.
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I expect it to be maintainedand protected.
I would like to get the bookback in halfway decent shape.
I expect it to be maintainedand protected.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I would like to use the word entrusted with our
bodies, perfect Because I thinkit is a trust.
It is you did not, you know.
I always like to remind peoplethat you did not create yourself
.
You weren't in the wombdirecting you know when your
heart would be connected to yournerves and stuff like that.
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You are given you are entrustedwith a self.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yes, this shows my age, but if I created my own
body, I'd look like Clark Gable.
Yep, clark Gable.
Well, I couldn't think ofsomebody quicker, but that's the
first person I can think of.
Yeah, okay, I just sawsomething about him on Google or
something Facebook.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah Right, I like the idea of being entrusted with
because I think it's completelyin line with Scripture.
You know, being a Scripturescholar, that I am.
Yes, you are I always thinkabout these things.
You know that, god, while wewere yet in the womb.
God is fashioning our bodiesright.
God is knitting our bodiestogether.
It's not that we had anythingto say about it.
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I didn't have a choice whetherI was born in this country or
another one.
I didn't have the choice of whomy parents would be.
I didn't have the choice ofwhat my skin color would be, I
didn't have any of those choices.
Those were-.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
How smart you would be, how gullible, how, all the
things.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
All the things that make a person a person right?
So yeah, these things areentrusted to us, and the
question is what do we do withthat?
How do we safeguard that?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
in a sense got a couple minutes before the break.
Rudy, I'd like to ask you aquestion.
Do you work out?
Speaker 6 (11:54):
I do why?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
my, my real question is what's your motivation to
work out?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
he's got a.
He's got a beautiful new wife.
That's why he's guest-worn.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Go ahead.
When I first started I thinkthere was a bit of vanity, but
nowadays I think when I thinkabout working out, no, I do a
lot more.
Functional things Stretching Ido lift heavy weights.
Functional things stretching Ido lift heavy weights and I find
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myself doing things that haveshown there's a lot of studies
that have shown that can helpyou prolong your life and give
you a good quality of life.
I've had some grandparents thathave gotten to an older age,
specifically my grandmother, forexample, who I've seen just
kind of be stuck in a wheelchair.
She can't get up and you know,when people get a little bit
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older they kind of lose somebodily functions and you know
she can't.
She has to have kind of a nurseor a family member around her
to help her.
You know, use the restroom.
So when I think about gettingolder and I think about, you
know I don't want to be a burdento myself, not that older
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people are a burden.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, but we know what you mean.
We're facing the same thing.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, you know yeah, I mean you don't want to be
somebody that your kids worryabout.
You know what's dad going to do, so I want to get to the to an
age as much as I possibly canwith you know, with with being
(13:34):
able to drive around and beingbeing able to do walk around
normally and get up, I mean sojust be independent, right being
independent, being independentas long as possible.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
As long as possible.
Yeah, but see, rudy, and Iapologize to you for using you
as a guinea pig and every one ofus will react the same way.
Why don't we say, or why, whenwe go to a gym, is there not a
sign on the wall that says a gym?
(14:09):
Is there not a sign on the wallthat says uh, I have entrusted
you with your body, take care ofit.
Signed god, why, why is it thatour motivation isn't?
I've been given a gift and it'sup to me to maintain it and we
never think of that we neverthink of that.
That I know of that I've talkedto people never think of that.
We think in terms of and Idon't think it's wrong, I really
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don't I want to look my best, Iwant to feel my best, I don't
want to be a burden when I'molder.
All the everything you said Ithink is real and legitimate and
good reasons to, to to go tothe gym, but it's not the only
reason.
All right, we got to go to agym, but it's not the only
reason.
All right, we got to go to abreak.
This is a show of faith.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
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Speaker 5 (18:21):
On AM 1070 Answer we're talking about tonight, the
human body and image of God.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Right.
So what does it mean to be inthe image of God?
Does it mean God has a big toe,an ankle?
I don't think so god walks intothe guard, walks in the garden
of eden in the cool of the day,so he's, he's got a heel, ankle,
calf knee.
I mean that that's not how.
I mean it's a fancy term.
(18:50):
Anthropological, yeah.
Imagery, yeah, but does thatmean that that's a fancy term?
Anthropological imagery, butdoes that mean that that's how?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
we imagine.
No, it means it's calledanthropomorphic.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That's what I said.
You weren't listening.
So then, yeah, thou shalt notlie, all right, so at any rate,
yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
So, father Mario, what does that language sort of
mean?
Why do we speak that way aboutGod?
If God doesn't have a big toe,if he doesn't have an earlobe
with which he helps to hear ourprayers or eyelashes where he
sees us and such we often speakin those ways.
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Why do we do that?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We often speak in those ways.
Why do we do that?
Well, the important part isbecause we have no other way to
speak about God.
God is supra-natural, meaningthat we can know him by our
reason and by the signs that areleft of him in nature.
But also he is not bound bynature, and so we can speak to
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him now, speak of him using theimages of human beings and how
we are built, and because that'sall we have.
We cannot imagine what isunimaginable.
God is infinitely greater.
That's why the Catholic Churchalways reminds people that
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theology is both positive andnegative, in the sense that
negative doesn't mean bad.
It just means that whenever wesay that, for example, God is
our Father God is our Father istrue, but at the same time I can
also say God is is our Father.
God is our Father is true, butat the same time I can also say
God is not our Father.
Why?
Because he's not subject to thelimitations of our concept of
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Fatherhood.
And so we have to.
We use anthropomorphic language, but we always understand that
that anthropomorphic languagehas its limits, limits, and it
should not be carried to itsultimate conclusion of
identifying God as having a bigtoe or stuff like that.
Now in this situation though andI don't want to get into it too
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much, unless you guys want tofollow that the whole issue of
the Incarnation, because for us,you know in Christians, the
central part of the incarnation,because for us, you know, in
Christians we the central partof the Christian tradition is
that the God of that, the God ofIsrael, became a human being,
which, of course, that's adivision between Jews and
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Christian right, and so so it'sinteresting, because and I'll
say this and I'll shut up afterthis but if you guys remember,
in the Christian Gospels, whenyou have the whole idea of the
transfiguration, the two peoplethat are seen with Jesus in the
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transfiguration, who are they?
David?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Moses and Elijah.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Okay, and who are the what?
Why are those two people theones that are chosen?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Well, a couple of things come to mind, but one of
the things is that Mosesrepresents the law and Elijah
represents the prophets, theprophets, but it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I heard another interpretation which.
I thought, was very interestingand that is that those are the
two people in the HebrewScriptures that wanted to see
the face of God and could not.
They were not allowed to seethe face of God.
And the reason that they arethere is that at this moment in
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Jesus' life, in thetransfiguration, god now has a
human face.
And since God has a human face,they are allowed to see the
face of God, whereas before youcould not see it before, unless
you were going to die.
But Jesus has a human face.
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So the body for us in theChristian tradition is the
beginning of the revelation ofGod in a human form.
So in a sense God does have abig toe, but not in the sense of
the God, the Father.
It's in the incarnation we seethe face of God and we see God
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become human.
There's a part in the Catholictradition in the Mass that it
says when the priest is gettingthe wine and is ready for
consecration, he pours a littlebit of water in there and he
says by mingling of this waterand wine may we come to share in
the humanity, in the divinityof Christ, in the divinity of
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Christ from the way he calledhimself to share in our humanity
.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
So you know, for us that's the little caveat, yeah
yeah, you know a lot of what welearn and I know we've got to go
to break here in a second, butalmost any time we take
something that is unknown and wetry to analyze it with an
analogy.
I analyze it with an analogy.
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For example, I remember thefirst time I had frog legs it
had been years ago, frog legshave you ever had frog legs?
No, okay, totally not kosher.
Well, totally not kosher.
Were they good?
Were they good?
All right, I got to vote here,miranda.
Anyway, I had never had thembefore and I think I was in
Georgia.
Tastes like chicken.
Well, that was the thing Peoplesaid.
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I don't know what it tasteslike.
And they say to me well, sinceyou don't know, it tastes like
chicken, right.
So I mean, you've heard thatkind of joke all the time, but
in a sense, that's how we learnthings that are unknown.
That's how we learn things.
By comparing them by comparingthem to things that we know.
So I can speak about Godhearing prayers and seeing us
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and God laughing and God'sstrength with his mighty right
arm or something.
I can use those analogies tospeak about that, but we know
that that's not the fullness ofwhat God is, but it gives us
language with which to approachand to approach it, and that
means that there's somethinggood.
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Going back to the incarnation,there's something really good
about our bodies.
Our bodies aren't bad.
They're not nasty, they're notdirty, they're not this or that.
Yeah, they are going to get oldand they're going to decay and
they're going to go away, butthat's not means that this body
is not itself fundamentally good, like creation was in the very
(25:44):
beginning and we've got to goback.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We've got to solve it .
It was good.
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Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070.
The Answer Debbie in Spring,happy birthday coming up in six
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When the Reader's Digest waswidely read, there was food for
thought included at the end ofsome articles.
One has stuck with me all theseyears.
This is not a word-for-wordquote, but thousands of laws on
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the books and all we really needare the Ten Commandments.
Debbie in Spring, thank you forthat.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
That was a response to our discussion a few weeks
ago or a week ago that wementioned the ten commandments
yeah, and you know the tencommandments are still in the
news.
Uh, the law, I think this pastweek, yes, they kind of moved
their way through the senate,texas state senate or or one of
the committees right to moveinto schools.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Put them in the school, which is what we talked
about last week.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Exactly, right, exactly so and you know there's
a there's.
There's a thing that I wasgoing to read later on, if it
seemed appropriate, from 1Corinthians 6, verse 19,.
Which is something that goes tothe effect that there's a lot
of things that are notlegislated and some people, you
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know, it's not a law against it,basically.
And so people say, well, ifthere's not a law against it, it
must mean it's permitted.
But Paul goes on to say, well,there's a lot of things that are
lawful but they're not alwayshelpful, and so we have to
distinguish between what islawful and then what is helpful
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to us.
And not everything that we do,whether it's not a law, is going
to lead us to glorify God inthese bodies anymore, because
ultimately that's what we'resupposed to be doing.
This body is supposed to beused to glorify God and not
necessarily for myself to makeme you know this or that, um, to
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to bring me physical pleasureor to do, uh, I don't know what,
whatever our bodies aren't forthat Our bodies are really made
for God, by God to God, and sowhen our bodies are sort of
elevated that way and they'repoint people toward God, then
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what we do with our bodies isgoing to be honoring to God.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
David, I don't care what meds you're on, I'm asking
about supplements.
Not meds, but supplements.
Okay, do you take supplements?
Yeah, absolutely why.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
You know I'm not a professional doctor.
I go to doctors and I say tothem you know, wait, but you're
Dr Capes.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I know, but I'm not the kind of doctor that helps
anybody.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
really I'm not that kind of doctor.
I didn't say that either.
But I ask them, you know, given,you know they do blood work and
they come back and say, hey,you're low on this vitamin D,
you're low on sodium, you're lowon this or you're low on that.
So I use that as kind of abarometer to see where, where
the body is supposed to be and Itake those, those vitamins.
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You know, I go to a doctor.
I've had issue with my eyes foryears and she's recommended
this particular kind of vitamin.
I'm going to take that vitaminbecause all my eyes to be as
good as long as they possiblycan, and there's a history of
retinal problems in my family.
Yeah, so I mean, I want the eyesto work.
Therefore, I'm going to do whatthe doctor says.
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So it's a supplement, but Itake it in concert with medical.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I've been told by doctors that when you take
supplements, all you are doingis making your urine more
expensive.
Ow.
That it just flows out of you.
It doesn't really do that much.
And my point is, even if it'sjust one little itty-bitty
little speck of something I need, that it's there for me when I
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need it.
I don't care if it makes mymore expensive.
Make sure, right, yeah, butagain, notice where we went with
the question.
We went with the question,which is normal and good and
right, but what we didn't say isbecause I need to take care of
the gift I've been given, whichis my body.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Well, I think that's implicit, though, isn't it?
It should be.
I mean because, again, I'm notthe expert to be able to do the
blood work and to come back andsay this body needs more of this
kind of you know.
Well, neither am I Right, butI'm going to take a supplement,
but I want to do that forlongevity, to live well, to live
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long, so that in this body Ican glorify God as long as
possible.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
But it's that additional last part that's
important.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
You know, guys, let me read you something.
I sent it to you on WhatsAppand you can see it at the end
there of the feed.
Let me read this to you.
This is written by a gentlemanby the name of Wesley Smith.
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He says Unbalanced and unmooredfrom other goods, health can
become a vessel forself-absorption and for
decadence.
It can cause us to abandon ourcommitment to our highest
principles and to mortgage thefuture to avert any present pain
(33:51):
.
The future to avert any presentpain.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I can understand the first part.
It can become a vessel forself-absorption and for
decadence.
Anything, anything, anything,anything can be overdone, can
become an obsession, can bemisused and abused, even working
out of the gym or whatever.
But I'm not clear, rudy on thesecond part of this.
It can cause us to abandon ourcommitment to our highest
(34:17):
principles and to mortgage thefuture to avert the present pain
.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I thought that Well, the last part after Ann, but
listen to the just part.
It can cause us to abandon ourcommitment to our highest
principles.
Stop there, because I can seewhere a person just is so
concerned about their healththat they don't do anything else
for anybody else.
They just take care ofthemselves, right?
(34:42):
And they're giving anexaggerated amount of time and
resources to their own healthand to their own body and
they're not taking care of theirsouls.
They're not taking care oftheir spiritual health and to
their own body and they're nottaking care of their souls.
They're not taking care oftheir spiritual health.
And I think ultimately we havethat tendency today is not to
(35:03):
give our attention to ourspiritual health and to give
almost all of our attention toour physical health.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But that's what we do .
We take a look at mirrors.
We don't see our soul.
We take a look at a mirror.
We don't see our mind, we onlysee the physical, and so that
would be what we would, you know, first of all, that's what
we're going to see the flaws inmy big tummy, which is getting
smaller.
It is You've lost some weight.
Yes, I have.
(35:36):
Yeah, but that's what we see.
That's therefore what we workon.
We forget about the spiritual,we forget about the soul.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, it's interesting.
It's interesting from theperspective of the life of Jesus
.
When the paralytic rememberwhen they're lowering him down,
and the paralytic wants hishealth restored, wants to walk.
But what's the first thing thatJesus says to him your sins are
forgiven.
(36:05):
Notice that he is looking firstto his spiritual health, and
his physical health is abackground to his spiritual
health.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, I think that's a good interpretation of that
text.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
For we who are Christian impaired, they were
lowering him.
What does that mean?
Like lowering him from a secondfloor?
Yeah, david.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Yeah, I mean this is in Mark gospel chapter two.
There's an episode where Jesusis in a house and there's
probably 30, 40, 50 people thereand there's no room.
People were looking into thewindows or looking at the doors
and it was just jam packed.
They had this man who wasparalyzed, or four, four of them
.
We were carrying him and theycould not get him through the
(36:56):
door.
So what they did is they went upon the roof which is very
common in those days, flat roofand they actually, in Greek it
says they unroofed the roof.
They pulled the roof back,basically to the chagrin, I'm
sure, of the owner of the house,but they lowered him down into
the middle of this crowd, whereJesus was Right and and Jesus is
(37:21):
impressed at how they went outof their way.
And it says it's interesting.
Another thing he says is thatJesus seeing their faith.
He's not talking about theparalyzed man, he's looking at
the faith of the men who broughthim.
And the way I sort of explainthat to students and others is
(37:44):
that sometimes our faith getsvery, very thin and very small
and what really sustains us isthe faith of our friends.
And it's important to havefaithful friends to love you, to
lift you up, to care for you,to help you when you cannot help
yourself basically Part of there-lig of religion.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yes, the reconnection is connecting with other people
.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Absolutely.
And Jesus says to that man.
He doesn't say it to everybody,but he says my son, your sins
are forgiven.
And obviously that caused allsorts of consternation, but he's
privileging the life of thespiritual life before.
If you and I had looked at thatman, we would have said what's
(38:31):
the main thing that he wants andhe needs?
He needs to walk again, heneeds to rejoin the physical, he
needs to rejoin his family, heneeds to rejoin his.
You know, whatever he wasbefore he got hurt.
He needs to rejoin that.
And Jesus looked at the sameman as to know what he really
(38:52):
needs before.
He needs the others to get thespiritual all together.
Father Maury, is that right?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yes, I think he gives priority to the health of the
spirit, to the body, and I thinkthat that's the balance that we
need to be able to have.
Take care of your body, butmake sure to you know what good
does it do you to gain the wholeworld and lose your soul.
If you give priority to yourbody and not to your soul, I
(39:25):
think that's an abuse ofspiritual responsibility, but it
could be both.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
That's what I'm saying about.
Why do we go to the gym?
Why do we take supplements?
You know, why do we go to thegym?
Why do we take supplements?
We can spiritualize the act ofphysical exercise by saying I am
taking care of the body thatGod gave me.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
It's putting a spiritual edge or something.
I agree.
I agree, but it's a balance,because you have to take care of
your spirit before you takecare of yourself, and I think
most people take care much moreof their body than they do of
themselves.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think if you spiritualize the physical
activity.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
It might make them in other ways become more
consciously aware of theirspirit.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
I remember there was a fellow named Peter Lord who
was pastor of a church We've gotto cut it here in a minute
Pastor of a church back inTitusville, florida, and he was
known for spending hours andhours every day in prayer
working on his spirit.
But he said sometimes the mostspiritual thing you can do is
take a nap, you know, becausethere's a connection between
(40:33):
body and soul.
Right, it's not.
They're disconnected.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
That means since I retired.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
I'm a very spiritual person.
Well, it doesn't sometimes theleast, the least you can.
Oh okay, all right, anyway,let's go to a break.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
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A time to take care of your body, a time to take
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Speaker 3 (43:38):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM107.
The Answer Rudy, you just sentus another quote.
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Yeah, so it's a quote from St Francis, st Francis de
Sales, and it says Takereasonable care of your body for
the sake of your soul.
It says take reasonable care ofyour body for the sake of your
(44:08):
soul, but do not become soattached to bodily health that
you are disturbed when you lackit.
Infirmities of the body areoften profitable to the soul.
Now, of course, I think a lotof that depends on your outlook
(44:33):
of life, right, and how you viewlet's that.
I know that in their last dyingbreaths they've acknowledged
God and asked for a priest, orasked for some sort of
forgiveness, right, some sort ofatonement, let's call it.
(44:54):
It's quite interesting, whenwe're feeling healthy and when
we're feeling, you know, I don'tknow sort of immortal right,
like nothing can kind of touchus or break us, how much we
don't tend to be thankful orgrateful for our simple things
(45:15):
the ability to walk, the abilityto close our hands, the ability
I mean something as silly aswhen you get a cut in your hand
and then you can't use yourright hand and now you're only
kind of able to use your left,and then you really it's just
incredible how much we take forgranted these things and when we
(45:36):
consider certain infirmitiesand why they happen, and and I
think a lot of people and a lotof people that I've talked to
that are sort of struggling withfaith, religion, god, they they
ask themselves why do goodthings happen to, why do bad
things happen to good people andwhy do good things happen to?
Why do bad things happen to goodpeople and why do good things
(45:59):
happen to bad people?
Right, it's this kind ofquestion of evil that I think a
lot of people really strugglewith.
Yeah, they take issue withright, and they're good
questions, they're fairquestions and we could probably
do a whole show on it next week.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, we could, but, rudy, that leads me to my next
question, which is like?
In the Bible, it's explicitlystated that things that happen
to our body are punishments fromGod.
I'm not quite sure I always seethat in everything that happens
(46:39):
to our bodies.
I don't think it is.
No, no.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
I mean, I don't think that's really what the
scriptures teach, that everyinfirmity, every cancer every it
is caused by sin or caused by alack of faithfulness.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
You know what I mean?
Yes, but how many people?
The first thing they go to whensomething bad happens is I'm a
horrible person, it's my fault.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Well, I mean, I think that's part of the soul work
that we need to do, and thisFather Maher you might have
might have you know, going backto the last thing in his
statement here that sometimesinfirmities of the body are
profitable to the soul.
And it's not just old peoplewho have infirmities.
I mean, there are people whoare, who are injured, you know,
(47:33):
in a, an accident or something,a car accident, and they spend
the rest of their life dealingwith some sort of infirmity, or
somebody who's born with aninfirmity, and they must live
the next part of their life, youknow, with that infirmity.
Maybe it affects how they walk,or affects something.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
It's not my theology that God did it to them.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
No, no, no nor mine either Neither chance happens to
us all, but a part of the soulwork we have to do is, when
these things do happen, to dealwith them in some profitable,
meaningful way.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
What do we?
Speaker 5 (48:10):
do with it.
We're going to search formeaning one way or another,
right, right, and I think that'spart of it, father Mario.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
I agree.
I think we have to put thewhole thing in perspective.
I'll never forget the one I dida homily one time when I asked
the congregation to turn to eachother and say what are they
thankful for, and there was alittle old man in the first row.
(48:41):
He was kind of bent over and youcould see his hands shaking
because you could see he hadParkinson's and I didn't have
anybody to share with, and so Iwalked down from the altar, from
the sanctuary, and I went tohim and I said what are you
thankful for, sir?
And he looked me straight in theeye, bent over and shaking as
(49:03):
he was.
He says Father, I'm thankfulfor my Parkinson's.
And I almost fell over.
And I said why are you thankfulfor that?
And he said because, in havingto deal with this illness, I
have come to understand and toknow God in such a more intimate
way that I would never trade myhealth for what I have now.
(49:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
That's incredible.
That is incredible.
Yep, A loose translation.
Don't it always seem to go thatyou don't know what you've got
until it's gone?
Speaker 4 (49:37):
It makes us value.
He valued his insight as a partof what the experience of his
Parkinson's as a mortal personyeah.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Man.
That would be so good if wecould all adapt in certain ways.
Like that I'm often concerned.
I've seen a lot of peoplelately lose weight with the shot
.
They go in and take weight andit can be profitable, it can be
(50:13):
beneficial, but it can also bethe kind of thing Could there
have been another way?
I was thinking about at thesame time.
I was thinking about KarenCarpenter.
Here was Karen Carpenter.
We love her singing on the showweekly the song about Johnny
(50:34):
Angel.
She was deeply troubled abouther physical health and she
became anorexic and had theseissues.
Ultimately it took her life andsometimes that's the mental
perspective on our lives.
Are there other ways other thanappealing to some sort of
(50:58):
medical work in order to do whatyou need to do, the work of the
body, the work of the soul, thework of the spirit?
Are there other things?
Spirit, mind, yeah.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Dr Cates, I always recommend this book called Brain
Wars and I know I've mentionedit here a couple times on the
show.
But the amount of supernaturalrecoveries, healings and not
just religion but of having apositive mindset, of having
(51:36):
there's a story of a guy andI'll send you guys a link if you
want.
But he got diagnosed with this,with this critical illness, and
they told him he was going todie in a couple days.
It was, it was and he prettymuch locked himself in a in a
room and spent the next two orthree months watching comedies
(51:58):
and drinking a lot of vitamin ccompletely healed wow and so
what when you talk about youknow, when we say these things
about, um, having not just aproper health and taking care of
your body, but it's also thespirit and the soul being even
(52:18):
with that Parkinson's beinggrateful, right, and the whole
aspect that we don't even get tothink about is what Father
Mario just said right now.
Yes, so that man is closer toGod, but the effect that it also
has on the other people aroundus, when, when you see a member
(52:40):
that has an ailment and theycarry that ailment not, you know
, I thought of blessed CarlosAcuti.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar with the young man.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
I'm not no he was.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
He died maybe ten years ago and he had a terrible
illness and he's's on his waywell, until Pope Francis passed
away, he was on his way tosainthood, but he died very,
very young and some of his lastwords are saying if I have to
die young to convert or to bringpeople closer to God, then
(53:12):
that's what I need to do, that'swhat needs to happen.
So it's something aboutcarrying let's call it your
cross, your ailment, whatever itmay be, so that you can also
have a positive effect on others.
I think there's fundamentallayers to I don't want to just
call it suffering, but pain andevil that can extract a good
(53:34):
from it, that when we only thinkof things materially, I think
we lose an entire dimension inthis thing.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
And again I'm going to say that I think what
exercises our spiritual muscleis to take things that are
generally secular or physicaland add to it a spiritual
element.
I think that it would help usbecome aware of our other than
physical needs.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I know we're just about out of time.
Can you give an example of whatyou're talking?
Speaker 3 (54:05):
about Just what we've been saying about.
You know, when we work out, whydo we work out, why do we do
what we do for our bodies?
If we only say it's for myfuture, it's for whatever, and
we were to add, because god gaveme this gift and I need to take
care of it, I think it wouldhelp that.
Okay, all right, this is a showof faith.
(54:27):
On am 10 70 answer week.
Every week.
We're here, minister, priest,rabbi and millennial.
Keep us in your prayers,because you are certainly going
to be in our prayers.
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