October 13, 2025 • 54 mins
What if the most radical act in a restless culture is setting a longer table? We gather to explore why family remains the quiet powerhouse behind character, faith, and civic health. From Genesis’ one-flesh vision to Jeremiah’s intimate language of being known, we unpack how Scripture frames marriage and parenting as a covenant that forms us for love, duty, and joy.
Along the way, we contrast the timeless constancy of parental love with the churn of modern courtship—from village matchmakers to swipe-right apps—and ask what we might have traded for convenience.
Our conversation gets candid about real pressures: fewer marriages, declining birth rates, thinner congregational life, and the lure of hyper‑individualism that treats people like brands and beliefs like identities. We share personal stories—airport chaos with toddlers, a mother’s fierce devotion that “infects” her son with faith, and a European encounter where work eclipsed wonder—to show how ideas filter into daily life. The throughline is clear: faith is often caught, not taught; homes are schools of virtue where truth becomes habit and love learns to keep its promises. Family is not merely a legal arrangement; it’s a covenantal craft that requires sacrifice for the person and for the relationship.
Still, we’re hopeful. False scripts eventually exhaust themselves, and the hunger for belonging returns. We outline practical ways to rebuild from the inside out: shared meals, sabbath rhythms, honest apologies, intergenerational friendships, and communities that honor mothers, fathers, and spiritual kin. Whether your household is bustling with kids or held together by chosen family, you’ll find encouragement, challenge, and a vision sturdy enough to live by. If this resonates, share it with someone you love, subscribe for more thoughtful conversations, and leave a review to help others find the show.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:01):
There's something happening here, but what it is
ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun overthere.
Telling me I got to beware.
I think it's time we stop.
Children, what's that sound?
(00:23):
Everybody look what's goingdown.
Nobody's right if everybody'swrong.
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Young people speak in theirminds.
I getting so much resistancefrom behind.
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goingdown.
SPEAKER_12 (01:00):
Welcome to a show of faith where professor, priest,
millennial, and rabbi discusstheology, philosophy, morality,
and ethics, and anything else wefeel like discussing.
If you have any response to ourtopics or any comments regarding
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Our priest is Father MarioArroyo, retired pastor of St.
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Hello.
Our professor is David Capes,Protestant Minister and Director
of Academic Programming for theLanier Theological Library.
SPEAKER_13 (01:41):
Here at Academy Force.
SPEAKER_12 (01:43):
Rudy Kong is our millennial systems engineer and
has his master's degree intheology from the University of
St.
Thomas.
SPEAKER_14 (01:50):
Howdy, howdy.
SPEAKER_12 (01:52):
I'm Stuart Federal, retired rabbi of Congregation
Sha'ar Hashaloon, the Clear Lakearea of Houston, Texas.
Miranda is our board operator,and she makes us sound
fantastic.
So welcome to a show of faith.
Rudy, you're up.
SPEAKER_14 (02:08):
I think it is my turn.
SPEAKER_12 (02:10):
Your turn.
SPEAKER_14 (02:11):
And um good to hear you guys.
I I was hoping you guys got toread.
I I sent out a little snippet.
And the reason I I picked it isbecause I was fortunate enough
to have my brother and my nieceand nephew, who specifically my
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nephew, who I had not met.
And and uh he's seven months oldand I got to hold him and carry.
You know, it was it was it was ait was a great time.
My mom came down, my siblingswere down here, and and it's
been a while since we wereunited, and and you know, I saw
my brother and and of coursehe's he's with two toddlers,
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right?
He's got uh a year and a halfold and a seven month old.
And so he's doing the wholeairport thing, he's bringing
luggage, the carriages, thewhole thing, and it's just very,
very stressful.
Um you know, it's just a lotgoing on, and I also thought,
because I've had some reallygreat conversations with my
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brother about how he wants toraise his kids, how he wants to
how would I say uh uh pass onhis faith, right?
His values, his morals.
And and I guess it got methinking for for this week,
maybe it would be somethinginteresting to talk about
because I I know I know we'vetalked a lot about before in
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previous shows on the importanceof of family and and marriage
and specifically, right?
We can quantitatively break downthe positive effect that, for
example, marriage and having astrong family uh family nucleus
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have on our culture.
I can try to increase GDPs, Icould try to um reduce uh uh uh
neurological um uh um saydepression, suicide, uh violent
crime.
I mean it's across the board theimportance of of what having a
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table, not just marriage, but afamily nucleus had for the
individual.
So I wanted to I wanted to firstum I wanted to first talk about
a little bit what our faithparticularly would say um about
family and how and how each ofthe each of our faith sort of
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views I think obviously I thinkwe're gonna have to find a lot
of in common.
I think within Christianity wewe kind of see the symbolism of
of the Trinity in there as well,right?
But uh I think there's a lotthat we agree on that that we
could say is is is afoundational block for our
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culture and for the way we seethings today is rooted deeply
within uh within the family,right?
SPEAKER_12 (05:23):
So so I wanted to talk a little bit about that
first, if if that's okay, unlessyou guys want to you're the
director, you go right ahead.
SPEAKER_14 (05:34):
I shall be directed.
Yes, take control strong Ram, Ithink the the one that always
gets me is in Jeremiah.
Before I formed you in the womb,I knew you.
And and so so this is this is aninteresting this is an
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interesting verse because Ithink about this this act of
creation, right?
And before we are born into thisworld, we are a thought, if you
will, in the mind of God.
God is an eternal being, aneternal evidence, an eternal He
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is.
He is, right?
And so that means that weexisted uniquely and have
existed before for all ofeternity.
And so this this act of lovesort of mimics the same act of
love, parental love, that wethat I would argue we find
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within a father and a mother.
Right?
It may not be that we completelyplanned all our children, right,
as as my brother.
As my brother did.
He he had his first kid, andthen uh it's funny because he
called me one day and uh his hisdaughter is maybe eleven or
twelve months old.
He calls I think we in Englishthey call him Irish twins, uh,
(06:59):
when they're born within withina I haven't heard that term, but
I've heard some like it.
SPEAKER_12 (07:05):
But yes, there's a name for when they're very,
very, very close together.
SPEAKER_14 (07:10):
Yeah.
So then so so he calls me oneday and he's like, Rudy, I don't
know what happened, man, butAllie's pregnant again, and I
was like, Well, I think I knowwhat happened, man.
I know exactly what happenedthere, don't worry.
Um but that's what I mean, it'sit's not necessarily it's not
necessarily that you would planto to to have another child, but
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there's still a participationand an act of love um that that
exists between um a woman and aman, right, that brought up that
amount.
So so can you and I guess I canlet me start with you, Rabbit.
Like what how do you see,especially and and I want to
kind of focus a little bitbiblically at first, right, is
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is the view the specific rolesand and purposes that you find
within the family that that youkind of have found that that
helped guide you, form you, uminspire you, if you will?
SPEAKER_12 (08:11):
Sure.
I I think that anybody who has achild, let me rephrase that,
anybody who sees a child withparents and they'll say, Oh, he
looks just like Aunt Gertrude,oh, he looks just like the
mommy, oh he looks like thedaddy, can understand that in
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the primary family verse inGenesis 1 that that family is
paramount.
That a uh a uh husband willleave his uh family and cleave
to his wife and they shallbecome one flesh.
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And you see the one flesh in thechildren because even without
the understanding DNA, youunderstand oh, that looks just
like you know, Aunt Sally orwhatever, Uncle Uncle Uncle Bert
or whatever.
So you you see from the verybeginning that family is
paramount, and I I I must tellyou that with all of our fancy
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equipment and computers and cellphones and find a fact instantly
from anywhere in the world, orstatistics, or math, or AI now,
I'm not really sure that lovebetween husband and wife, love
between parent and child, lovebetween child and parent, I just
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don't know if that's changedthat much.
I I think the Bible, when itspeaks of uh the the romantic
element I th I see, maybe that'sjust projection, but that I see
in the book of Ruth, betweenRuth and Boaz, uh and the
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flirtation and the and the youknow, even the movie romance of
falling in love, I I just don'tthink it's changed that much
over thousands of years.
I think parents love theirchildren, children I'm sorry?
SPEAKER_14 (10:16):
I would agree.
I would agree, River.
SPEAKER_12 (10:19):
Now, what's changed is the culture in which we
create those families, for lackof a better term.
I mean, you know, in the ancientworld you had matchmakers, and
I'll refrain from singing, I'llsave everybody's ears in our
listening audience.
unknown (10:39):
Okay.
SPEAKER_12 (10:39):
Thank you, Rabbi.
You're very welcome, but I wouldnormally start singing
matchmaker, matchmaker.
But uh the equivalent of amatchmaker now is you know, move
the picture left, move thepicture right, whatever that's
called.
What do they call it, you know,uh dating apps, okay, has become
the new matchmaker.
(11:01):
Probably a lot less successfulat it, but nevertheless.
I think that's what we've whatwhat we rely on for matching
now.
Uh and before that it used to bewhat?
Anything and everything to meetsomebody.
Either some a friend introducedyou or you went to the you know,
your religious services.
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I'm sorry, yeah.
Community dances, like they'reabsolutely dancing.
Community dances, or you know,the local class at your
synagogue church, whatever,underwater basket weaving, and
you'll find somebody of the sameinterests.
So, but I I just everything isfancy now, but I just don't
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think that people have changedthat much.
I think the relationships arethe same.
But the culture that createsthem creates the matches.
I think that's what's changed.
Um parenthetically, I think it'sfailing right now badly.
SPEAKER_07 (11:58):
I think you skipped, though, arranged marriages.
Because there was quite a lot ofarranged marriages in in Europe
and in other places that werepolitical and sociological in
nature.
SPEAKER_12 (12:14):
And that's true.
SPEAKER_07 (12:16):
But ultimately speaking.
Like in India and stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_12 (12:21):
And I'm sure in many, many, many cultures
throughout the world you've gotthem today.
SPEAKER_06 (12:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_12 (12:26):
But if there's no will to be in the marriage, no
acceptance of it, for whateverreason, political or I I I can't
say no to my mom and dad, orjust my dad, whatever the
reason, you're not going to stayin the marriage unless you want
to be there.
You're going to give in to thepressure, you're going to give
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in to the policy, you're goingto give in to the money, you're
going to give whatever it is.
Okay, I just think that they arein the marriage because they
want to be, ultimately.
They're sacrificing themselvesfor family, unity, whatever.
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Okay.
SPEAKER_14 (13:08):
That's that's that's the point there, I think, Rabbi,
that's important, is what youjust mentioned is is sacrifice.
And and I think that's maybethat concept is what because
being in a family I I thinkrequires sacrifice.
I mean you sacrifice it's not asacri a sacrifice of an
individual, right?
You don't get to you don't getto choose who you are born to,
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right?
I think it's to choose myparents.
SPEAKER_12 (13:35):
And Rudy, I I think it's not just sacrifice I think
it's also sacrifice to therelationship.
Not just sacrifice to the personbut sacrifice to the
relationship.
Where you know we when we talkedabout marriage, it comes up
every so often.
We're talking about beingcommitted to the commitment.
(13:56):
And I think the same thing istrue with the sacrifice.
You you you sacrifice for theother person, but you also
sacrifice for the relationshipbetween you two.
SPEAKER_14 (14:06):
Now, I I know we have to we have to go to break
here in a minute, but I I'd liketo move on.
Father Mario, you uh you and andthis I get from knowing you for
a long time, but I know thatyou're you're you're very close
with your siblings.
SPEAKER_07 (14:21):
Yes, we are.
SPEAKER_14 (14:22):
Um you were obviously closest with your mom
and and with your parents.
Um now you are a Catholicpriest, and obviously unless
you've been lying to us for avery long time.
You have no children.
SPEAKER_07 (14:40):
Not that I know of.
SPEAKER_12 (14:43):
That's not so funny today.
SPEAKER_07 (14:46):
Yeah, well should I say none none that I have
participated in.
SPEAKER_14 (14:55):
Um but when we come back, maybe I'd like to I'd like
to kind of and I know we cantalk about family kind of as a
broader perspective, um, but II'd like to kind of get your
take and how you kind of you'veseen its role and and within
kind of forming the person thatyou are and and if it helped or
(15:15):
not to to kind of towards you ifyou will, yeah.
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SPEAKER_07 (18:57):
Uh you you asked me to reflect on the role, I guess,
but what's the question, therole of my family?
SPEAKER_14 (19:04):
Yeah, I think so.
The question, Father Mars, is isand maybe to pose it in the same
way that I did to to the rabbi,is is within your upbringing
upbringing, and not just as aCatholic priest, but but as a
Catholic, I mean what what hasbeen kind of your take, the
things that have guided you, Iwould say, biblically,
(19:28):
experientially, to maintain acloseness to to to your family.
SPEAKER_07 (19:39):
Yeah, you know, uh I I recognize that um my family,
my m especially my mother, um uhshe was extremely religious.
And um I I really hated it.
Um the the religious part.
(20:01):
I mean I never uh I I went toCatholic school from all the
from the time that I was alittle boy all the way through
high school.
And uh mom you know called usand we had to go to mass every
Sunday, whether we liked it ornot.
And uh I th there was a longtime ago that uh one of my um
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teachers uh in theology said umChristianity is not taught.
It is caught.
It's very interesting because hehe said that faith is not
taught, it is caught.
The way you are infected.
It's almost like a a positiveinfection that you you catch it,
(20:47):
but you don't teach it.
Teaching it comes later, butcatching it is is uh is not a
part of education.
But I I I think that that's whathappened.
I think my mom her inten herferocity was a a ferocious
Catholic.
unknown (21:03):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_07 (21:04):
And um I think I I got infected uh by it.
Uh I at first I didn't like theinfection uh because it gave me
a conscience.
And when I was growing up Ididn't particularly want to have
a conscience.
Um but but it it imprinted intome so much so that it turned me
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into the person that I am,because when my life fell apart,
mm what was there, even though Ikept rejecting it, was uh the re
the me that I had learned to beformed by the gospel.
And uh you know, and and just interms of the uh of uh family,
you know, Rudy, I'm not marriedand never have been.
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And so the other half of my umof my experience of family have
been that I have gone aconsciously, I've consciously
tried in the priesthood tocreate a family.
Uh not by any sort of uh maritalor sexual activity, but I have
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friends that if you were to sayto me, Who's your family, I I
would include them.
And it's interesting becausethat's what Jesus said is if you
remember who is my mother, mybrother and my sister, who those
who listen to the word of Godand keep it, that's my mother,
my brother and my sister.
And that's a very important partof my life as a celibate man.
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But yeah, but I have family isvery, very important in my
character development.
SPEAKER_14 (22:42):
You know, it it's interesting because because when
you said something you saidsomething interesting, it's it's
caught, right?
And yes.
Um I wonder, and let me jump toI know we have to go to break
here in in a um in a minute andand two minutes.
Um but would you would you agreewith that, David?
SPEAKER_13 (23:01):
Would you say that um obviously you're protesting
and so we don't hold it againstyou, we still love you, but uh
to some degree I mean, I justthink I'm far too important just
to leave for the last twominutes of an hour of uh we can
get we can go to a break early.
SPEAKER_07 (23:20):
We can go to a break early.
SPEAKER_13 (23:22):
No, I'm just gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_07 (23:24):
But let's go to a break early, David.
SPEAKER_13 (23:26):
No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_07 (23:27):
No, we only have one minute.
SPEAKER_13 (23:29):
Oh, let me let me just affirm really quickly what
you were saying is that thefamily is the place where we are
morally formed, where we'respiritually formed, where we're
socially um and we're our valuesare formed.
And the some people have a verydysfunctional family, and as a
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result, they're malformed ormisformed.
But but for many people, thefamily has been that place where
we are where we learnfaithfulness, where we learn our
faith.
Most people practice the faiththat they were were born into.
Um, in other words, the the rone of the reasons the rabbi is
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is Jewish is because his familywas Jewish.
One of the reasons you'reCatholic, Father Mario, is
because your your your mom wasCatholic, likewise Protestant
for me, etc.
So these things really uh proveto be true.
The same is also true for anatheist.
A lot of people are atheistsbecause their parents were
atheist.
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So we we we find that we grow upand we become the people very
often that our families havealready always been.
SPEAKER_12 (24:50):
Could even be biblical, and that's give me a
child who they're six years oldin their mind forever.
SPEAKER_07 (24:55):
Interesting.
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Welcome back to a show of faith on AM107 of the
Answer.
We're talking tonight about thefamily guy with a great cartoon.
No, I guess we're not talkingabout that.
We're talking about family.
unknown (28:43):
Family.
SPEAKER_14 (28:44):
David, so you were sharing with us um something,
something quite true.
There's there's a lot offunction and and dysfunction
that is learned within thefamily nucleus.
And and I think I want where Iwanted to kind of take this a
little bit later on, and I'dlike you to share a little bit
(29:05):
more, is is where I see a lot ofdysfunction culturally, and I
read a lot of the statistics ondecreased marriages, less
children, less um attendance ofworship services of any kind.
(29:26):
Um to me it's all it's all tiedtogether, right?
I mean there's there's there'sdefinitely a correlation there.
I don't know if if you have anythoughts on this.
SPEAKER_13 (29:37):
Yeah, um, yeah.
I I do think, I think Mario saidit earlier that, yeah, I we we
are or maybe a sewer, that thatthese families do exist in this
cultural world that we live in,right?
So we we aren't living in avacuum in an ideal sort of
world.
We're living in a world that'svery itself dysfunctional and
(29:59):
very Very messed up.
And a lot of these influencesthat I think impinge upon
family, we are allowing more andmore of those to enter into
because we're not willing tosort of stick it out going
together.
Uh you know, the divorce rate isis fairly high still.
(30:20):
Uh people aren't havingchildren.
I was in Slovakia a while backand I was talking with this
woman.
Slovakia is the eastern part ofthe Europe, and she was uh
indicating, she said, well, sheyou know, she could have grown
up with sort of the remnants ofcommunism, uh, because they were
behind the iron curtain.
(30:41):
And she was talking about howthat she was an atheist and that
how she um uh and and she wastalking about though she was
married, she had no intention ofhaving any children because she
just really wanted to work andthat kind of thing.
And and I and I said to her, youknow, it's it's kind of
remarkable that uh that you'renot a communist.
(31:03):
And she said, Well, why is that?
And I said, Well, you youbelieve pretty much everything
communists do believe.
SPEAKER_12 (31:11):
Ooh, good point.
SPEAKER_13 (31:13):
You you don't believe in God, which is the
philosophical basis ofcommunism, and you also agree
with Marx that you're real theyour real significance is not
not as a woman, as a humanbeing, but as an economic cog in
the wheel.
And she didn't know what to dowith me.
SPEAKER_12 (31:33):
Oh, David, that's perfect.
SPEAKER_13 (31:35):
Uh but it was exactly the kind of thing that
now the reason she's atheist, Ithink, is is is because she grew
up in an atheist time, a time ofatheism.
SPEAKER_12 (31:45):
Another victory for communism.
SPEAKER_13 (31:47):
Well, the the the same thing, you know, can be
said.
So I think very often thesepolitical and and and I would
even argue say are spiritualrealities and uh that are around
us, these uh malevolentspiritual realities are
misshaping family and causing usto look elsewhere for uh for for
(32:12):
family.
Um and and uh it's not to saythat we cannot find in in a band
of brothers family on a in a wartime of war, that we cannot find
a band of brothers and sistersin a time of peace uh in the
church and through the churchand through religious
organizations, but um I I dothink that there is a special
(32:34):
place that God has ordained thefamily to occupy.
SPEAKER_12 (32:41):
The foundation of society.
Culture, ethics, morals getpassed by, passed down, like you
said.
Do you remember it years ago?
Ten years maybe, something likethat, where we were talking
about and this comes up every sooften, but not nearly as much, I
don't think, and that is that inorder to be counterculture, in
(33:03):
order to go against the grain ofour society, you have to be
religious.
Being religious is beingcounterculture.
And I think that's only becomeworse, and I think that that has
been one of the main reasons whythe family has suffered.
SPEAKER_07 (33:19):
Do you really think it's become worse?
You know, lately I've just seena kind of a turn back to
religion.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_12 (33:28):
Recently.
Very recently, like one or twoyears and nothing more.
SPEAKER_07 (33:32):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that had to do a lotwith uh the the Trump election.
Not that Trump had knit, but thefact that um all the the
postmodern uh you know culturedidn't work.
Uh well I I think it it suffereda tremendously public rejection
(33:53):
when Trump not only won theelection, but see, I'm using the
word Trump to really signifymore of a conservative and more
of a rejection of all the wokekind of stuff.
SPEAKER_12 (34:06):
But I think that his election was a symptom of that
rejection.
Yes, yeah.
It did not create it, it was asymptom of it.
SPEAKER_07 (34:12):
Now, and then with the Charlie Kirk assassination
and uh and the desperation ofthe left, I think, you know, and
you're seeing signs of of atremendous return to a more
conservative culture.
SPEAKER_12 (34:27):
And I think that the good parts are not the bad
parts.
SPEAKER_07 (34:31):
Me too.
But I think family is going tobe um uh going to make a kind of
making a return, though, becausethey people see the disaster of
the divorce culture and the lackof commitment.
You know, I I read something theother day that really impressed
me that we no longer look atpeople as people, but we look as
(34:55):
individuals, but we looked at atthem as the aggregates of their
opinions.
SPEAKER_12 (35:01):
In in what way?
SPEAKER_07 (35:02):
Well, in the sense that you're a conservative or
you're a liberal, you believe inabortion, you believe in this,
you believe in that.
SPEAKER_12 (35:08):
That's identity colour, it's a identity.
SPEAKER_07 (35:10):
It's interesting because they call it an
aggregate.
People have been de uhdepersonalized, and you are now
an aggregate of your politicalopinions.
SPEAKER_12 (35:23):
But the political opinions represent the identity
that you've taken.
I I see the identity.
SPEAKER_07 (35:33):
Yeah, but but ultimately I think that the
whole return to family, I th Ithink there will be a return to
more uh and we're seeing it inthe Catholic Church, and you
know, with a tremendous uptickin um in people becoming
Catholic.
But I think and I think theCatholic Church, especially, but
I think all Christian and Jewishwe emphasize family.
SPEAKER_12 (35:55):
The Catholic community does.
SPEAKER_07 (35:59):
Yeah, but I think that the reason I just made that
comment is because I think thatthey are the anti-religious or
the secular community is f isstarting to decrease in in
popularity.
SPEAKER_14 (36:12):
I can only hope that's Father Martin.
Um you know, in in Garnium It'sfest, which is a Vatican
document that came out duringthe Second Vatican Council, um,
there's a there's this famousquote that family is the
foundation of society.
SPEAKER_07 (36:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_14 (36:29):
Now, a couple of things that were discussed there
is this notion that family isalso divinely ordained.
So what I mean by that is thatit's essentially written within
our nature.
It's written as a natural law.
SPEAKER_12 (36:50):
That's what I meant at the beginning of our show
tonight.
I I just think that there's anatural tendency, drive,
whatever, to be in a family.
SPEAKER_07 (37:01):
Is there something wrong with Rabbi's microphone?
SPEAKER_12 (37:04):
Speak up in the mic up, Rabbi.
I can't get it much closer thanit is.
I can barely hear him.
All right.
SPEAKER_07 (37:11):
Well but anyway, David, you want to say anything
about about that?
And by the way, I was just gonnasay too, this idea of the
importance of family, and thatis that in the Christian
tradition, the very definitionof God is family.
SPEAKER_12 (37:27):
In Christianity, yes.
SPEAKER_07 (37:28):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
In Christianity, Father, Son,and Holy Spirit, I mean, you're
talking family.
Uh so for us it's uh it it's anunderstanding of family as uh
when God created us in his imageand likeness, I understand it
more not as an individual,although an individual it is,
but also as family.
David?
SPEAKER_13 (37:49):
Yeah, I no, I no, I agree that that the whole sort
of picture of what we have of ofGod at developing a a people,
div uh this is a family, this isa huge, huge extended family,
right?
And I think it's an extension ofGod Himself, but the idea that
the people of God are anextension as too.
(38:12):
I mean, they're all in a senserelated.
They're sons and daughters ofAbraham and such.
And and there's a there's asense in which relationship
becomes so so important.
You know, uh in in uh in in manyways we've ceded uh family to to
legal to the law, you know,family law and and and legal
(38:35):
contracts, that kind of thing.
And but but the the idea offamily is more covenantal.
Yes, there's an agreement, yes,there is the taking of promises
and and vows and such, but it'sa very morally serious kind of
thing.
It's it's not just a legal uhrelationship.
(38:57):
Now that's not to say that therehaven't been legal relationship
marriages, those kind of things,but by and large, marriage is
meant to be uh this covenantalrelational thing for which that
that we where we getcompanionship to our lives,
where yes, uh it you know we wehave sexual expression, which
(39:17):
means procreation, among otherthings.
It's there's a procreative uhimpact to that.
Children do that's where theycome from.
And and but but it's not it'snot to say that there are not
other benefits from a sexualrelationship.
And and one of the things itdoes is it brings unity to the
(39:39):
relationship, it brings unity tothe people, they become better
helpers with each other andbetter partners uh throughout
life.
So uh all all of this, I think,is an expression of ultimately
God's who God is and God'sdisposition toward the things
that He has created.
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SPEAKER_14 (44:57):
Another Rabbi Stuart.
There's never gonna be anotherFather Mario.
SPEAKER_12 (45:00):
There's never gonna be a Thank God, I mean, you
know, for small favors.
Sorry, Mario, couldn't resist.
SPEAKER_14 (45:15):
But but it's it's interesting when when I start
seeing the importance that thatfamily has has placed, and and
you touched a lot a little biton it um earlier, Father Mario,
is is I mean marriage andfamilies were used in a way to
to secure peace.
They were the famous uh Battleof Troy, it was because of this
(45:40):
this this person that tookHelen, right?
That that an entire armada of ofGreek warships was was launched
to invade.
So it's been I don't want to saythe cause, but but uh how would
you say uh uh a precursor, ifyou will, to to kind of mold
(46:03):
culture and war and and nationsreally for all of the time,
right?
I mean it's how tribes initiallywould secure peace within
themselves is is uh when youlook at the indigenous people
here, for example, and and theTehuatihua Canis, for example,
of of the Mexican, um MexicoCity area, right?
(46:27):
They the their king would hewould marry off his his
daughters with neighboringtribal um groups to secure peace
and their allegiance, right?
So when when we stop seeing theimportance that we find with
family, with marriage, and andwe think more individu
(46:54):
individualistic about things, Ithink what what we find is where
we find ourselves or have foundourselves for the last maybe 30,
40, 20 years, where it's thisbeen this kind of
hyper-individualistic mentality,and you know, I'm free to
(47:14):
identify myself and to and tosay that I'm whatever I want and
and to to forget really who I amand where I come from.
And I think it's this it's thisideology that is that has caused
I mean not just damageeconomically, right?
(47:35):
But also when I look at thesuffering that happens, it it's
it's put us into difficultstances, not only culturally,
but even I would say with othernations.
And so I guess I just I wantedto give you guys opinion on
this, is is I know there's aresurgence, but are we too far
(47:59):
down the road to be how do I sayI don't want to use the word
save, but but brought back,right?
Is is there a chance for thismovement, for this resurgence of
family to to kind of take holdagain, you know, for our
cultures, especially in Americansociety, to kind of go back and
(48:20):
and to the I think there is tothe care of others.
SPEAKER_07 (48:25):
I think there is a chance.
I think there's a good chance ofuh uh the cultures can change
tremendously, and uh I thinkthere's a tremendous chance of
returning because w the the onlythe um a lie ultimately or
something that is false cannotstay for long because it
(48:46):
ultimately shows its ownfalsity.
SPEAKER_12 (48:49):
Right.
It also it it shows its ownweakness.
SPEAKER_07 (48:52):
Yeah, it shows so so if something is untrue, it will
not stand for a long time.
So I don't know.
SPEAKER_12 (48:58):
Plenty of things last for a long time.
SPEAKER_07 (49:00):
A long time, but they ultimately fall because
they they don't have legs, theydon't have any staying power.
So David, you want to jump inthere?
SPEAKER_13 (49:10):
Yeah, I I'm I'm pondering uh so some of the
things Verdi was saying, but butuh with you I'm more optimistic
uh these days than pessimistic.
In part because uh probably someof the people that I know and uh
the things that I'm I'm readingand hearing, I I do think that
it takes time for cultures torebound after they've gone down
(49:36):
uh the wrong path for a while.
Uh you you can't just make uh a180 instantly.
It takes a while to to make thatturn.
So I would I would think thatwe're we're looking at something
that would be anothergeneration.
SPEAKER_07 (49:52):
Oh yeah, if not two generations.
SPEAKER_13 (49:55):
Yeah, if not two generations down the way before
we see some substantial growthand reestablishment of that.
But hey, you know, we serve apretty big God who can do some
things miraculously and quickly,uh more quickly than than we've
can we can imagine.
SPEAKER_12 (50:13):
And patiently too.
SPEAKER_13 (50:15):
Yeah, and indeed, indeed.
But I but I I think it's I thinkit's a great uh great
conversation tonight, Rudy,because all of us have
experienced the strength I Ithink many of us have
experienced the strength offamily and what it can do for us
and what it has done for us.
(50:37):
And yes, there are dysfunctionalfamilies, yes there are uh
that's the reason a lot ofpeople are in therapy today,
because of families.
But at the same time, uh uh muchof what we learn that is good
and true and beautiful about theworld, we learned through uh
through our families.
And so it's it's important Ithink to give thanks to God for
(51:00):
those those fathers and mothersthat we've had, whether they're
here or or b they've gonebeyond, um, it's it's important
to give thanks for them.
SPEAKER_07 (51:10):
You know, I I really think that especially kids, I
mean people who are in havegrown up with difficult or
horrible families, thatsomewhere inside them they have
a sense of knowing what a shafamily ought to be, and which is
why they miss it.
(51:31):
Because there's a sense of youyou you kind of in inside of
you, I think I this is myopinion that inside each of us
we know what it means.
Somehow you're born with a asense of what it means to be
loved.
And you know its truth when youexperience it, and you know the
lie when you ex when you don'texperience it.
SPEAKER_12 (51:53):
You know there's something wrong.
SPEAKER_07 (51:54):
Something's wrong.
You can tell.
I think that's an inborn qualitythat something is wrong because
you hate it and it's it's notaccording to your nature.
So I think I'm h I've have highhopes that human nature, because
it's in the image and likenessof God, that it will uh somehow
re uh reach out to God even whenit is has experienced the exact
(52:18):
opposite.
It will reach for the truth ofGod because the truth of God is
is i is uh sort of uh stamped inthe depths of its soul.
SPEAKER_12 (52:30):
And because I think that is part of our nature, it's
inevitable.
And it may take two generations,like you were saying, yeah.
But because it's embedded inevery one of us, with or without
the background, the history ofit, it it will it will sink the
light.
It'll come back to the light.
SPEAKER_07 (52:48):
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_14 (52:55):
Well I think I think we can all agree that the
fundamental aspects of of familyare ingrained in our very soul,
and they are inherently good,and the good that they then do
to our culture and community isis I w many people would say
(53:16):
unquantifiable, but honestly,the statistics and and data is
is quite clear.
The the effects that positivefamilies have on our world is
measurable and there is justfundamental greatness that comes
out of them across the board.
So have more families and havemore kids is the message.
SPEAKER_13 (53:41):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, some of the happiestpeople that I know are people
that have a lot of kids, youknow.
Um, I mean, you know, the theysome some have had one and
they're happy and but but I knowa lot of people that have had
four, five, and six kids andsuch.
And boy, they're tired.
You know, boy, they're tired.
(54:02):
But they they are tired andhappy at the same time because
they sense what they're doing isthey are joining God and
creating and bringing life andbringing vitality into the
world.
And you know, right now we'rewelcoming in immigrants from all
over the world because we can'tget people to do the work, in
(54:25):
part because we've been havingso few kids.
SPEAKER_07 (54:28):
Yep.
SPEAKER_13 (54:28):
Yep, right?
So more and and and we see anumber of countries that are
really beginning to strugglebecause it's time, David.
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SPEAKER_12 (01:00):
Welcome to a show of faith where professor, priest,
millennial, and rabbi discusstheology, philosophy, morality,
and ethics, and anything else wefeel like discussing.
If you have any response to ourtopics or any comments regarding
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Email us at a show of faith1070at gmail.com, a show of
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SPEAKER_13 (01:41):
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SPEAKER_12 (01:43):
Rudy Kong is our millennial systems engineer and
has his master's degree intheology from the University of
St.
Thomas.
SPEAKER_14 (01:50):
Howdy, howdy.
SPEAKER_12 (01:52):
I'm Stuart Federal, retired rabbi of Congregation
Sha'ar Hashaloon, the Clear Lakearea of Houston, Texas.
Miranda is our board operator,and she makes us sound
fantastic.
So welcome to a show of faith.
Rudy, you're up.
SPEAKER_14 (02:08):
I think it is my turn.
SPEAKER_12 (02:10):
Your turn.
SPEAKER_14 (02:11):
And um good to hear you guys.
I I was hoping you guys got toread.
I I sent out a little snippet.
And the reason I I picked it isbecause I was fortunate enough
to have my brother and my nieceand nephew, who specifically my
(02:34):
nephew, who I had not met.
And and uh he's seven months oldand I got to hold him and carry.
You know, it was it was it was ait was a great time.
My mom came down, my siblingswere down here, and and it's
been a while since we wereunited, and and you know, I saw
my brother and and of coursehe's he's with two toddlers,
(02:58):
right?
He's got uh a year and a halfold and a seven month old.
And so he's doing the wholeairport thing, he's bringing
luggage, the carriages, thewhole thing, and it's just very,
very stressful.
Um you know, it's just a lotgoing on, and I also thought,
because I've had some reallygreat conversations with my
(03:21):
brother about how he wants toraise his kids, how he wants to
how would I say uh uh pass onhis faith, right?
His values, his morals.
And and I guess it got methinking for for this week,
maybe it would be somethinginteresting to talk about
because I I know I know we'vetalked a lot about before in
(03:44):
previous shows on the importanceof of family and and marriage
and specifically, right?
We can quantitatively break downthe positive effect that, for
example, marriage and having astrong family uh family nucleus
(04:07):
have on our culture.
I can try to increase GDPs, Icould try to um reduce uh uh uh
neurological um uh um saydepression, suicide, uh violent
crime.
I mean it's across the board theimportance of of what having a
(04:31):
table, not just marriage, but afamily nucleus had for the
individual.
So I wanted to I wanted to firstum I wanted to first talk about
a little bit what our faithparticularly would say um about
family and how and how each ofthe each of our faith sort of
(04:53):
views I think obviously I thinkwe're gonna have to find a lot
of in common.
I think within Christianity wewe kind of see the symbolism of
of the Trinity in there as well,right?
But uh I think there's a lotthat we agree on that that we
could say is is is afoundational block for our
(05:15):
culture and for the way we seethings today is rooted deeply
within uh within the family,right?
SPEAKER_12 (05:23):
So so I wanted to talk a little bit about that
first, if if that's okay, unlessyou guys want to you're the
director, you go right ahead.
SPEAKER_14 (05:34):
I shall be directed.
Yes, take control strong Ram, Ithink the the one that always
gets me is in Jeremiah.
Before I formed you in the womb,I knew you.
And and so so this is this is aninteresting this is an
(05:54):
interesting verse because Ithink about this this act of
creation, right?
And before we are born into thisworld, we are a thought, if you
will, in the mind of God.
God is an eternal being, aneternal evidence, an eternal He
(06:15):
is.
He is, right?
And so that means that weexisted uniquely and have
existed before for all ofeternity.
And so this this act of lovesort of mimics the same act of
love, parental love, that wethat I would argue we find
(06:36):
within a father and a mother.
Right?
It may not be that we completelyplanned all our children, right,
as as my brother.
As my brother did.
He he had his first kid, andthen uh it's funny because he
called me one day and uh his hisdaughter is maybe eleven or
twelve months old.
He calls I think we in Englishthey call him Irish twins, uh,
(06:59):
when they're born within withina I haven't heard that term, but
I've heard some like it.
SPEAKER_12 (07:05):
But yes, there's a name for when they're very,
very, very close together.
SPEAKER_14 (07:10):
Yeah.
So then so so he calls me oneday and he's like, Rudy, I don't
know what happened, man, butAllie's pregnant again, and I
was like, Well, I think I knowwhat happened, man.
I know exactly what happenedthere, don't worry.
Um but that's what I mean, it'sit's not necessarily it's not
necessarily that you would planto to to have another child, but
(07:33):
there's still a participationand an act of love um that that
exists between um a woman and aman, right, that brought up that
amount.
So so can you and I guess I canlet me start with you, Rabbit.
Like what how do you see,especially and and I want to
kind of focus a little bitbiblically at first, right, is
(07:56):
is the view the specific rolesand and purposes that you find
within the family that that youkind of have found that that
helped guide you, form you, uminspire you, if you will?
SPEAKER_12 (08:11):
Sure.
I I think that anybody who has achild, let me rephrase that,
anybody who sees a child withparents and they'll say, Oh, he
looks just like Aunt Gertrude,oh, he looks just like the
mommy, oh he looks like thedaddy, can understand that in
(08:32):
the primary family verse inGenesis 1 that that family is
paramount.
That a uh a uh husband willleave his uh family and cleave
to his wife and they shallbecome one flesh.
(08:52):
And you see the one flesh in thechildren because even without
the understanding DNA, youunderstand oh, that looks just
like you know, Aunt Sally orwhatever, Uncle Uncle Uncle Bert
or whatever.
So you you see from the verybeginning that family is
paramount, and I I I must tellyou that with all of our fancy
(09:20):
equipment and computers and cellphones and find a fact instantly
from anywhere in the world, orstatistics, or math, or AI now,
I'm not really sure that lovebetween husband and wife, love
between parent and child, lovebetween child and parent, I just
(09:40):
don't know if that's changedthat much.
I I think the Bible, when itspeaks of uh the the romantic
element I th I see, maybe that'sjust projection, but that I see
in the book of Ruth, betweenRuth and Boaz, uh and the
(10:01):
flirtation and the and the youknow, even the movie romance of
falling in love, I I just don'tthink it's changed that much
over thousands of years.
I think parents love theirchildren, children I'm sorry?
SPEAKER_14 (10:16):
I would agree.
I would agree, River.
SPEAKER_12 (10:19):
Now, what's changed is the culture in which we
create those families, for lackof a better term.
I mean, you know, in the ancientworld you had matchmakers, and
I'll refrain from singing, I'llsave everybody's ears in our
listening audience.
unknown (10:39):
Okay.
SPEAKER_12 (10:39):
Thank you, Rabbi.
You're very welcome, but I wouldnormally start singing
matchmaker, matchmaker.
But uh the equivalent of amatchmaker now is you know, move
the picture left, move thepicture right, whatever that's
called.
What do they call it, you know,uh dating apps, okay, has become
the new matchmaker.
(11:01):
Probably a lot less successfulat it, but nevertheless.
I think that's what we've whatwhat we rely on for matching
now.
Uh and before that it used to bewhat?
Anything and everything to meetsomebody.
Either some a friend introducedyou or you went to the you know,
your religious services.
(11:23):
I'm sorry, yeah.
Community dances, like they'reabsolutely dancing.
Community dances, or you know,the local class at your
synagogue church, whatever,underwater basket weaving, and
you'll find somebody of the sameinterests.
So, but I I just everything isfancy now, but I just don't
(11:45):
think that people have changedthat much.
I think the relationships arethe same.
But the culture that createsthem creates the matches.
I think that's what's changed.
Um parenthetically, I think it'sfailing right now badly.
SPEAKER_07 (11:58):
I think you skipped, though, arranged marriages.
Because there was quite a lot ofarranged marriages in in Europe
and in other places that werepolitical and sociological in
nature.
SPEAKER_12 (12:14):
And that's true.
SPEAKER_07 (12:16):
But ultimately speaking.
Like in India and stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_12 (12:21):
And I'm sure in many, many, many cultures
throughout the world you've gotthem today.
SPEAKER_06 (12:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_12 (12:26):
But if there's no will to be in the marriage, no
acceptance of it, for whateverreason, political or I I I can't
say no to my mom and dad, orjust my dad, whatever the
reason, you're not going to stayin the marriage unless you want
to be there.
You're going to give in to thepressure, you're going to give
(12:46):
in to the policy, you're goingto give in to the money, you're
going to give whatever it is.
Okay, I just think that they arein the marriage because they
want to be, ultimately.
They're sacrificing themselvesfor family, unity, whatever.
(13:07):
Okay.
SPEAKER_14 (13:08):
That's that's that's the point there, I think, Rabbi,
that's important, is what youjust mentioned is is sacrifice.
And and I think that's maybethat concept is what because
being in a family I I thinkrequires sacrifice.
I mean you sacrifice it's not asacri a sacrifice of an
individual, right?
You don't get to you don't getto choose who you are born to,
(13:33):
right?
I think it's to choose myparents.
SPEAKER_12 (13:35):
And Rudy, I I think it's not just sacrifice I think
it's also sacrifice to therelationship.
Not just sacrifice to the personbut sacrifice to the
relationship.
Where you know we when we talkedabout marriage, it comes up
every so often.
We're talking about beingcommitted to the commitment.
(13:56):
And I think the same thing istrue with the sacrifice.
You you you sacrifice for theother person, but you also
sacrifice for the relationshipbetween you two.
SPEAKER_14 (14:06):
Now, I I know we have to we have to go to break
here in a minute, but I I'd liketo move on.
Father Mario, you uh you and andthis I get from knowing you for
a long time, but I know thatyou're you're you're very close
with your siblings.
SPEAKER_07 (14:21):
Yes, we are.
SPEAKER_14 (14:22):
Um you were obviously closest with your mom
and and with your parents.
Um now you are a Catholicpriest, and obviously unless
you've been lying to us for avery long time.
You have no children.
SPEAKER_07 (14:40):
Not that I know of.
SPEAKER_12 (14:43):
That's not so funny today.
SPEAKER_07 (14:46):
Yeah, well should I say none none that I have
participated in.
SPEAKER_14 (14:55):
Um but when we come back, maybe I'd like to I'd like
to kind of and I know we cantalk about family kind of as a
broader perspective, um, but II'd like to kind of get your
take and how you kind of you'veseen its role and and within
kind of forming the person thatyou are and and if it helped or
(15:15):
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SPEAKER_07 (18:57):
Uh you you asked me to reflect on the role, I guess,
but what's the question, therole of my family?
SPEAKER_14 (19:04):
Yeah, I think so.
The question, Father Mars, is isand maybe to pose it in the same
way that I did to to the rabbi,is is within your upbringing
upbringing, and not just as aCatholic priest, but but as a
Catholic, I mean what what hasbeen kind of your take, the
things that have guided you, Iwould say, biblically,
(19:28):
experientially, to maintain acloseness to to to your family.
SPEAKER_07 (19:39):
Yeah, you know, uh I I recognize that um my family,
my m especially my mother, um uhshe was extremely religious.
And um I I really hated it.
Um the the religious part.
(20:01):
I mean I never uh I I went toCatholic school from all the
from the time that I was alittle boy all the way through
high school.
And uh mom you know called usand we had to go to mass every
Sunday, whether we liked it ornot.
And uh I th there was a longtime ago that uh one of my um
(20:24):
teachers uh in theology said umChristianity is not taught.
It is caught.
It's very interesting because hehe said that faith is not
taught, it is caught.
The way you are infected.
It's almost like a a positiveinfection that you you catch it,
(20:47):
but you don't teach it.
Teaching it comes later, butcatching it is is uh is not a
part of education.
But I I I think that that's whathappened.
I think my mom her inten herferocity was a a ferocious
Catholic.
unknown (21:03):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_07 (21:04):
And um I think I I got infected uh by it.
Uh I at first I didn't like theinfection uh because it gave me
a conscience.
And when I was growing up Ididn't particularly want to have
a conscience.
Um but but it it imprinted intome so much so that it turned me
(21:26):
into the person that I am,because when my life fell apart,
mm what was there, even though Ikept rejecting it, was uh the re
the me that I had learned to beformed by the gospel.
And uh you know, and and just interms of the uh of uh family,
you know, Rudy, I'm not marriedand never have been.
(21:50):
And so the other half of my umof my experience of family have
been that I have gone aconsciously, I've consciously
tried in the priesthood tocreate a family.
Uh not by any sort of uh maritalor sexual activity, but I have
(22:11):
friends that if you were to sayto me, Who's your family, I I
would include them.
And it's interesting becausethat's what Jesus said is if you
remember who is my mother, mybrother and my sister, who those
who listen to the word of Godand keep it, that's my mother,
my brother and my sister.
And that's a very important partof my life as a celibate man.
(22:34):
But yeah, but I have family isvery, very important in my
character development.
SPEAKER_14 (22:42):
You know, it it's interesting because because when
you said something you saidsomething interesting, it's it's
caught, right?
And yes.
Um I wonder, and let me jump toI know we have to go to break
here in in a um in a minute andand two minutes.
Um but would you would you agreewith that, David?
SPEAKER_13 (23:01):
Would you say that um obviously you're protesting
and so we don't hold it againstyou, we still love you, but uh
to some degree I mean, I justthink I'm far too important just
to leave for the last twominutes of an hour of uh we can
get we can go to a break early.
SPEAKER_07 (23:20):
We can go to a break early.
SPEAKER_13 (23:22):
No, I'm just gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_07 (23:24):
But let's go to a break early, David.
SPEAKER_13 (23:26):
No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_07 (23:27):
No, we only have one minute.
SPEAKER_13 (23:29):
Oh, let me let me just affirm really quickly what
you were saying is that thefamily is the place where we are
morally formed, where we'respiritually formed, where we're
socially um and we're our valuesare formed.
And the some people have a verydysfunctional family, and as a
(23:52):
result, they're malformed ormisformed.
But but for many people, thefamily has been that place where
we are where we learnfaithfulness, where we learn our
faith.
Most people practice the faiththat they were were born into.
Um, in other words, the the rone of the reasons the rabbi is
(24:14):
is Jewish is because his familywas Jewish.
One of the reasons you'reCatholic, Father Mario, is
because your your your mom wasCatholic, likewise Protestant
for me, etc.
So these things really uh proveto be true.
The same is also true for anatheist.
A lot of people are atheistsbecause their parents were
atheist.
(24:34):
So we we we find that we grow upand we become the people very
often that our families havealready always been.
SPEAKER_12 (24:50):
Could even be biblical, and that's give me a
child who they're six years oldin their mind forever.
SPEAKER_07 (24:55):
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Welcome back to a show of faith on AM107 of the
Answer.
We're talking tonight about thefamily guy with a great cartoon.
No, I guess we're not talkingabout that.
We're talking about family.
unknown (28:43):
Family.
SPEAKER_14 (28:44):
David, so you were sharing with us um something,
something quite true.
There's there's a lot offunction and and dysfunction
that is learned within thefamily nucleus.
And and I think I want where Iwanted to kind of take this a
little bit later on, and I'dlike you to share a little bit
(29:05):
more, is is where I see a lot ofdysfunction culturally, and I
read a lot of the statistics ondecreased marriages, less
children, less um attendance ofworship services of any kind.
(29:26):
Um to me it's all it's all tiedtogether, right?
I mean there's there's there'sdefinitely a correlation there.
I don't know if if you have anythoughts on this.
SPEAKER_13 (29:37):
Yeah, um, yeah.
I I do think, I think Mario saidit earlier that, yeah, I we we
are or maybe a sewer, that thatthese families do exist in this
cultural world that we live in,right?
So we we aren't living in avacuum in an ideal sort of
world.
We're living in a world that'svery itself dysfunctional and
(29:59):
very Very messed up.
And a lot of these influencesthat I think impinge upon
family, we are allowing more andmore of those to enter into
because we're not willing tosort of stick it out going
together.
Uh you know, the divorce rate isis fairly high still.
(30:20):
Uh people aren't havingchildren.
I was in Slovakia a while backand I was talking with this
woman.
Slovakia is the eastern part ofthe Europe, and she was uh
indicating, she said, well, sheyou know, she could have grown
up with sort of the remnants ofcommunism, uh, because they were
behind the iron curtain.
(30:41):
And she was talking about howthat she was an atheist and that
how she um uh and and she wastalking about though she was
married, she had no intention ofhaving any children because she
just really wanted to work andthat kind of thing.
And and I and I said to her, youknow, it's it's kind of
remarkable that uh that you'renot a communist.
(31:03):
And she said, Well, why is that?
And I said, Well, you youbelieve pretty much everything
communists do believe.
SPEAKER_12 (31:11):
Ooh, good point.
SPEAKER_13 (31:13):
You you don't believe in God, which is the
philosophical basis ofcommunism, and you also agree
with Marx that you're real theyour real significance is not
not as a woman, as a humanbeing, but as an economic cog in
the wheel.
And she didn't know what to dowith me.
SPEAKER_12 (31:33):
Oh, David, that's perfect.
SPEAKER_13 (31:35):
Uh but it was exactly the kind of thing that
now the reason she's atheist, Ithink, is is is because she grew
up in an atheist time, a time ofatheism.
SPEAKER_12 (31:45):
Another victory for communism.
SPEAKER_13 (31:47):
Well, the the the same thing, you know, can be
said.
So I think very often thesepolitical and and and I would
even argue say are spiritualrealities and uh that are around
us, these uh malevolentspiritual realities are
misshaping family and causing usto look elsewhere for uh for for
(32:12):
family.
Um and and uh it's not to saythat we cannot find in in a band
of brothers family on a in a wartime of war, that we cannot find
a band of brothers and sistersin a time of peace uh in the
church and through the churchand through religious
organizations, but um I I dothink that there is a special
(32:34):
place that God has ordained thefamily to occupy.
SPEAKER_12 (32:41):
The foundation of society.
Culture, ethics, morals getpassed by, passed down, like you
said.
Do you remember it years ago?
Ten years maybe, something likethat, where we were talking
about and this comes up every sooften, but not nearly as much, I
don't think, and that is that inorder to be counterculture, in
(33:03):
order to go against the grain ofour society, you have to be
religious.
Being religious is beingcounterculture.
And I think that's only becomeworse, and I think that that has
been one of the main reasons whythe family has suffered.
SPEAKER_07 (33:19):
Do you really think it's become worse?
You know, lately I've just seena kind of a turn back to
religion.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_12 (33:28):
Recently.
Very recently, like one or twoyears and nothing more.
SPEAKER_07 (33:32):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that had to do a lotwith uh the the Trump election.
Not that Trump had knit, but thefact that um all the the
postmodern uh you know culturedidn't work.
Uh well I I think it it suffereda tremendously public rejection
(33:53):
when Trump not only won theelection, but see, I'm using the
word Trump to really signifymore of a conservative and more
of a rejection of all the wokekind of stuff.
SPEAKER_12 (34:06):
But I think that his election was a symptom of that
rejection.
Yes, yeah.
It did not create it, it was asymptom of it.
SPEAKER_07 (34:12):
Now, and then with the Charlie Kirk assassination
and uh and the desperation ofthe left, I think, you know, and
you're seeing signs of of atremendous return to a more
conservative culture.
SPEAKER_12 (34:27):
And I think that the good parts are not the bad
parts.
SPEAKER_07 (34:31):
Me too.
But I think family is going tobe um uh going to make a kind of
making a return, though, becausethey people see the disaster of
the divorce culture and the lackof commitment.
You know, I I read something theother day that really impressed
me that we no longer look atpeople as people, but we look as
(34:55):
individuals, but we looked at atthem as the aggregates of their
opinions.
SPEAKER_12 (35:01):
In in what way?
SPEAKER_07 (35:02):
Well, in the sense that you're a conservative or
you're a liberal, you believe inabortion, you believe in this,
you believe in that.
SPEAKER_12 (35:08):
That's identity colour, it's a identity.
SPEAKER_07 (35:10):
It's interesting because they call it an
aggregate.
People have been de uhdepersonalized, and you are now
an aggregate of your politicalopinions.
SPEAKER_12 (35:23):
But the political opinions represent the identity
that you've taken.
I I see the identity.
SPEAKER_07 (35:33):
Yeah, but but ultimately I think that the
whole return to family, I th Ithink there will be a return to
more uh and we're seeing it inthe Catholic Church, and you
know, with a tremendous uptickin um in people becoming
Catholic.
But I think and I think theCatholic Church, especially, but
I think all Christian and Jewishwe emphasize family.
SPEAKER_12 (35:55):
The Catholic community does.
SPEAKER_07 (35:59):
Yeah, but I think that the reason I just made that
comment is because I think thatthey are the anti-religious or
the secular community is f isstarting to decrease in in
popularity.
SPEAKER_14 (36:12):
I can only hope that's Father Martin.
Um you know, in in Garnium It'sfest, which is a Vatican
document that came out duringthe Second Vatican Council, um,
there's a there's this famousquote that family is the
foundation of society.
SPEAKER_07 (36:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_14 (36:29):
Now, a couple of things that were discussed there
is this notion that family isalso divinely ordained.
So what I mean by that is thatit's essentially written within
our nature.
It's written as a natural law.
SPEAKER_12 (36:50):
That's what I meant at the beginning of our show
tonight.
I I just think that there's anatural tendency, drive,
whatever, to be in a family.
SPEAKER_07 (37:01):
Is there something wrong with Rabbi's microphone?
SPEAKER_12 (37:04):
Speak up in the mic up, Rabbi.
I can't get it much closer thanit is.
I can barely hear him.
All right.
SPEAKER_07 (37:11):
Well but anyway, David, you want to say anything
about about that?
And by the way, I was just gonnasay too, this idea of the
importance of family, and thatis that in the Christian
tradition, the very definitionof God is family.
SPEAKER_12 (37:27):
In Christianity, yes.
SPEAKER_07 (37:28):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
In Christianity, Father, Son,and Holy Spirit, I mean, you're
talking family.
Uh so for us it's uh it it's anunderstanding of family as uh
when God created us in his imageand likeness, I understand it
more not as an individual,although an individual it is,
but also as family.
David?
SPEAKER_13 (37:49):
Yeah, I no, I no, I agree that that the whole sort
of picture of what we have of ofGod at developing a a people,
div uh this is a family, this isa huge, huge extended family,
right?
And I think it's an extension ofGod Himself, but the idea that
the people of God are anextension as too.
(38:12):
I mean, they're all in a senserelated.
They're sons and daughters ofAbraham and such.
And and there's a there's asense in which relationship
becomes so so important.
You know, uh in in uh in in manyways we've ceded uh family to to
legal to the law, you know,family law and and and legal
(38:35):
contracts, that kind of thing.
And but but the the idea offamily is more covenantal.
Yes, there's an agreement, yes,there is the taking of promises
and and vows and such, but it'sa very morally serious kind of
thing.
It's it's not just a legal uhrelationship.
(38:57):
Now that's not to say that therehaven't been legal relationship
marriages, those kind of things,but by and large, marriage is
meant to be uh this covenantalrelational thing for which that
that we where we getcompanionship to our lives,
where yes, uh it you know we wehave sexual expression, which
(39:17):
means procreation, among otherthings.
It's there's a procreative uhimpact to that.
Children do that's where theycome from.
And and but but it's not it'snot to say that there are not
other benefits from a sexualrelationship.
And and one of the things itdoes is it brings unity to the
(39:39):
relationship, it brings unity tothe people, they become better
helpers with each other andbetter partners uh throughout
life.
So uh all all of this, I think,is an expression of ultimately
God's who God is and God'sdisposition toward the things
that He has created.
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Another Rabbi Stuart.
There's never gonna be anotherFather Mario.
SPEAKER_12 (45:00):
There's never gonna be a Thank God, I mean, you
know, for small favors.
Sorry, Mario, couldn't resist.
SPEAKER_14 (45:15):
But but it's it's interesting when when I start
seeing the importance that thatfamily has has placed, and and
you touched a lot a little biton it um earlier, Father Mario,
is is I mean marriage andfamilies were used in a way to
to secure peace.
They were the famous uh Battleof Troy, it was because of this
(45:40):
this this person that tookHelen, right?
That that an entire armada of ofGreek warships was was launched
to invade.
So it's been I don't want to saythe cause, but but uh how would
you say uh uh a precursor, ifyou will, to to kind of mold
(46:03):
culture and war and and nationsreally for all of the time,
right?
I mean it's how tribes initiallywould secure peace within
themselves is is uh when youlook at the indigenous people
here, for example, and and theTehuatihua Canis, for example,
of of the Mexican, um MexicoCity area, right?
(46:27):
They the their king would hewould marry off his his
daughters with neighboringtribal um groups to secure peace
and their allegiance, right?
So when when we stop seeing theimportance that we find with
family, with marriage, and andwe think more individu
(46:54):
individualistic about things, Ithink what what we find is where
we find ourselves or have foundourselves for the last maybe 30,
40, 20 years, where it's thisbeen this kind of
hyper-individualistic mentality,and you know, I'm free to
(47:14):
identify myself and to and tosay that I'm whatever I want and
and to to forget really who I amand where I come from.
And I think it's this it's thisideology that is that has caused
I mean not just damageeconomically, right?
(47:35):
But also when I look at thesuffering that happens, it it's
it's put us into difficultstances, not only culturally,
but even I would say with othernations.
And so I guess I just I wantedto give you guys opinion on
this, is is I know there's aresurgence, but are we too far
(47:59):
down the road to be how do I sayI don't want to use the word
save, but but brought back,right?
Is is there a chance for thismovement, for this resurgence of
family to to kind of take holdagain, you know, for our
cultures, especially in Americansociety, to kind of go back and
(48:20):
and to the I think there is tothe care of others.
SPEAKER_07 (48:25):
I think there is a chance.
I think there's a good chance ofuh uh the cultures can change
tremendously, and uh I thinkthere's a tremendous chance of
returning because w the the onlythe um a lie ultimately or
something that is false cannotstay for long because it
(48:46):
ultimately shows its ownfalsity.
SPEAKER_12 (48:49):
Right.
It also it it shows its ownweakness.
SPEAKER_07 (48:52):
Yeah, it shows so so if something is untrue, it will
not stand for a long time.
So I don't know.
SPEAKER_12 (48:58):
Plenty of things last for a long time.
SPEAKER_07 (49:00):
A long time, but they ultimately fall because
they they don't have legs, theydon't have any staying power.
So David, you want to jump inthere?
SPEAKER_13 (49:10):
Yeah, I I'm I'm pondering uh so some of the
things Verdi was saying, but butuh with you I'm more optimistic
uh these days than pessimistic.
In part because uh probably someof the people that I know and uh
the things that I'm I'm readingand hearing, I I do think that
it takes time for cultures torebound after they've gone down
(49:36):
uh the wrong path for a while.
Uh you you can't just make uh a180 instantly.
It takes a while to to make thatturn.
So I would I would think thatwe're we're looking at something
that would be anothergeneration.
SPEAKER_07 (49:52):
Oh yeah, if not two generations.
SPEAKER_13 (49:55):
Yeah, if not two generations down the way before
we see some substantial growthand reestablishment of that.
But hey, you know, we serve apretty big God who can do some
things miraculously and quickly,uh more quickly than than we've
can we can imagine.
SPEAKER_12 (50:13):
And patiently too.
SPEAKER_13 (50:15):
Yeah, and indeed, indeed.
But I but I I think it's I thinkit's a great uh great
conversation tonight, Rudy,because all of us have
experienced the strength I Ithink many of us have
experienced the strength offamily and what it can do for us
and what it has done for us.
(50:37):
And yes, there are dysfunctionalfamilies, yes there are uh
that's the reason a lot ofpeople are in therapy today,
because of families.
But at the same time, uh uh muchof what we learn that is good
and true and beautiful about theworld, we learned through uh
through our families.
And so it's it's important Ithink to give thanks to God for
(51:00):
those those fathers and mothersthat we've had, whether they're
here or or b they've gonebeyond, um, it's it's important
to give thanks for them.
SPEAKER_07 (51:10):
You know, I I really think that especially kids, I
mean people who are in havegrown up with difficult or
horrible families, thatsomewhere inside them they have
a sense of knowing what a shafamily ought to be, and which is
why they miss it.
(51:31):
Because there's a sense of youyou you kind of in inside of
you, I think I this is myopinion that inside each of us
we know what it means.
Somehow you're born with a asense of what it means to be
loved.
And you know its truth when youexperience it, and you know the
lie when you ex when you don'texperience it.
SPEAKER_12 (51:53):
You know there's something wrong.
SPEAKER_07 (51:54):
Something's wrong.
You can tell.
I think that's an inborn qualitythat something is wrong because
you hate it and it's it's notaccording to your nature.
So I think I'm h I've have highhopes that human nature, because
it's in the image and likenessof God, that it will uh somehow
re uh reach out to God even whenit is has experienced the exact
(52:18):
opposite.
It will reach for the truth ofGod because the truth of God is
is i is uh sort of uh stamped inthe depths of its soul.
SPEAKER_12 (52:30):
And because I think that is part of our nature, it's
inevitable.
And it may take two generations,like you were saying, yeah.
But because it's embedded inevery one of us, with or without
the background, the history ofit, it it will it will sink the
light.
It'll come back to the light.
SPEAKER_07 (52:48):
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_14 (52:55):
Well I think I think we can all agree that the
fundamental aspects of of familyare ingrained in our very soul,
and they are inherently good,and the good that they then do
to our culture and community isis I w many people would say
(53:16):
unquantifiable, but honestly,the statistics and and data is
is quite clear.
The the effects that positivefamilies have on our world is
measurable and there is justfundamental greatness that comes
out of them across the board.
So have more families and havemore kids is the message.
SPEAKER_13 (53:41):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, some of the happiestpeople that I know are people
that have a lot of kids, youknow.
Um, I mean, you know, the theysome some have had one and
they're happy and but but I knowa lot of people that have had
four, five, and six kids andsuch.
And boy, they're tired.
You know, boy, they're tired.
(54:02):
But they they are tired andhappy at the same time because
they sense what they're doing isthey are joining God and
creating and bringing life andbringing vitality into the
world.
And you know, right now we'rewelcoming in immigrants from all
over the world because we can'tget people to do the work, in
(54:25):
part because we've been havingso few kids.
SPEAKER_07 (54:28):
Yep.
SPEAKER_13 (54:28):
Yep, right?
So more and and and we see anumber of countries that are
really beginning to strugglebecause it's time, David.
SPEAKER_07 (54:35):
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