EP. 4: "How Can We Know Truth?" with Ryan McBeth, U.S. Intel Analyst, Cybersecurity & Social Media Disinformation Expert

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Lauren Carlstrom (00:00):
Welcome to the we're Not Blowing Hot Air
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Get ready for a colorful,curious exploration of this
thing called life with today'sremarkable guest, james A

(00:20):
Garfield.
The 20th president of theUnited States said the truth
will set you free, but first itwill make you miserable.
And he would know.
Prior to fighting corruptionwithin the government, garfield
served as a major general in theUnion Army during the American
Civil War.
Perhaps you too haveexperienced grief, sorrow or

(00:41):
unhappiness because truth turnedup her volume.
I certainly have.
It's hard to hear.
I let down a friend, it suckedto walk in on a cheating partner
and I bet it was pretty crappyfor 16th century Nicholas
Copernicus and 17th centuryGalileo Galilee to suffer such
resistance and condemnation fortheir heliocentric beliefs from

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religious, academic andpolitical authorities that the
suppression spanned for fourcenturies.
Yeah, the truth can hurt, behidden for ages and upset the
status quo, but the truth, likethe sun, always shines her light
and whatever misery may come, Iwant to pursue truth.

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Here's to going after it.
Thankfully, I'm not alone inthe hunt for truth.
Ryan McBeth exposes lies aboutthings that matter.
A true patriot, he served morethan two decades in the Army,
with two overseas deployments asan anti-armor and heavy weapons

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infantryman.
He also works for a companythat develops life-saving drones
for military combat.
Among other things, he's anauthor, a content creator, and
he has amazing information onhis YouTube and Substack channel
.
I suggest you subscribe.
You also might have caught himon Newsmax, where he serves as
an intelligence consultant,lending his expertise on various

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national security matters.
I found Ryan sipping whiskeyand puffing a cigar on the Danny
Jones podcast, where Iimmediately saw the true gift he
is to our world.
Immediately saw the true gifthe is to our world.
Let's welcome the entertainingand intelligent Ryan McBeth as
we explore life's fundamentalquestion how can we know truth?

(02:34):
Ryan, thank you for being withus today to talk about truth.
Why are you so excited to be onthe show?

Ryan McBeth (02:43):
I'm really excited that I get a chance to talk to
you.
I took a look at a number ofyour podcasts and I'm like, wow,
this really is a person I wantto talk to.
It's not just that shade oflipstick.
I am really impressed with whatyou've done with this podcast
over the past couple of yearsand I appreciate you allowing me
to have a drink and a littlesmoky treat while I do it.

A little smoky treat.
I love that.
Well, I'm on board with.
I have some bullet bourbon.
I didn't have any scotchwhiskey in my closet here at
work, but cheers to you forbeing here.
I'm very excited and honored tohave you on we're Not Blowing
Hot Air being here.

(03:24):
I'm very excited and honored tohave you on we're Not Blowing
Hot Air.
I became a fan as soon as Ireally saw you on your first
video and watched more,understood kind of who you are
as a person and really like howyour history and your interest
fuel your present moment andwhat you do today and I was just
very engaged with it and veryimpressed and just really

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honored and excited to have youhere.
So thank you.

The pleasure is all mine.
I am so happy to talk to youraudience about how to find the
truth, or weapons or equipmentor really anything you want to
go with you want to go with,yeah Well.

Well, look it's.
It's a bit scary out there.
I'm not a huge fan of socialmedia because I think it.
I would rather be outside, innature or with friends.
I know that you have put a lotof your energy and attention
into sharing your messagethrough social media and I I'm
just curious like what, um, whatreally got you going there?

with social media.
Yeah, you know, uh.
So I um, uh, an overnightsuccess that took five years,
right?
My what?
What got me going was that I Iinterviewed a guy when I was a
software engineer.
I interviewed a guy, I was asoftware engineer working for
Accenture.
I interviewed this guy and thisguy, he knew the answers to the

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questions, but he just couldn'tarticulate them right.
Why does a person become asoftware engineer?
Well, because they likecomputers more than people,
right?
So how do we interview asoftware engineer?
We put them in front of people.
Whose idea was this?
So I was interviewing this guyand the guy wasn't doing well
and they blackballed, right,they wouldn't hire them.

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So I said I'm going to start aYouTube channel where I teach
software engineers who have veryfew social skills how to get a
job, and I'm like the James Bondof software engineers, right?
So I'm very outgoing, verygregarious.
I started doing YouTube videos.
I did that for about threeyears.
My channel was about 5,000people roughly.

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I would do programming videosget a couple of views.
People liked it.
Then, one day, the war inUkraine kicked off.
I did two videos One on whyRussian tank turrets pop off of
their hulls when they're hit,another on why Ukraine hadn't
been the subject of any cyberattacks.
And all of a sudden I went from5,000 followers to 100,000

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subscribers overnight and Iguess kind of what I realized is
that programming is good and Istill do some programming videos
on occasion, like the Bitcoinvideo I showed you.
But I think what I'm prettygood at is kind of getting
technical information about howweapon systems work, how

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disinformation works, howcybersecurity works, getting
that across to laymen works, howcybersecurity works, getting
that across to laymen, and thenthat layman can listen to me and
then they can go to a party andthen go.
Hey, you know why Russian tankturrets pop off their hulls.
I mean, look, I'm not exactly agreat I'm not Ronald Reagan
great communicator, but I'm goodenough to quote at the party

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and that's plenty for me.
I'm happy that I was able tomake somebody else happy and
smarter.

Well, I think that's awesome.
I would also venture to guessthat it has to do with who you
are in terms of an army man,your history, your love for the
country.

Army men, your history, your love for the
country.
Yeah, you know, I spent 20years as an infantryman Army
side.
I did two overseas deployments,a couple of other deployments
as well inside the country andyou know I joined the army to

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kind of get out of poverty.
I grew up poor Irish family,lindenwald, new Jersey.
My dad, he managed a warehouse,or eventually managed the
warehouse, and I wanted to go tocollege and study computer
science.
My dad wanted me to be acarpenter.
Well, can't get money from yourfather, get it from your uncle,

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right, and you know it's.
The army and this country havegiven me so many opportunities
to be successful and I've takenadvantage of those opportunities
and I guess this in a way, thisis a way of giving back.
You know, I do love this country.
I think we live in thisabsolutely amazing place and if
I can make it a little bitbetter by teaching people how to
spot Russian disinformation,we're challenging disinformation

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agents.
Well, darn it, I'm going to dothat.

I love it.
Well, we're here today to talkabout truth and what it is.
I've heard you say before thattruth has more of a structure,
or like a ceiling, and liesdon't have as much conformity to
it.
What do you think?
How can we look at truth forthe purpose of this conversation
, as we explore how we can knowit better?

That's a good question.
That's a really deep question.
I like to think I'm not thatmuch of a deep thinker, but I
can tell you that I'm going tocall you out on that.

I think I again.
I think you're a very deepthinker.

So I don't think you want the accountability
perhaps.
Maybe.
So I think part of it is.
If you're, if you're trying tolook for truth, I guess kind of
the question you need to answeris are you looking for emotional
truth?
Are you looking for truthiness?
That's something that StephenColbert called it truthiness,
emotional truth is kind ofanother way of saying it and I

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honestly don't know if I madethat up or not.
I know Stephen Colbert made uptruthiness.
I may or may not have made upemotional truth, but if you want
to believe something so badlythat you're willing to overlook
that the facts don't supportsomething, that thing you're
supporting might not be true Insome cases, that's fine.

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I might say, hey, theWashington Wizards are the best
team ever, best basketball teamever.
Well, categorically that's nottrue.
But I'm a fan, right.
So of course I'm going to rootfor the Washington Wizards.
So that's kind of an emotionaltruth, right there, right.
But for other things, like isIsrael dropping cans of meat on

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Gaza that explode when they'reopen?
There's an element of emotionaltruth there and you have to
stop and think, even if youabsolutely hate Israel and
everything Israel stands for andyou 100% believe that Israel
would drop booby-trapped cans ofmeat onto Gaza, which is
something they were accused ofdoing.
You have to stop and say whattactical benefit do you get?

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from doing that and I think,since so many people are so far
removed from the military, theyhave no real concept of how the
military actually works or whythey do different things.
So it's very easy to kind ofslide into that emotional truth
if you really don't know howthings work outside of your own

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expertise.

Emotions can inform our worldview, for sure,
I think.
Factual data there's a lot ofdifferent, even beyond science.
There's a lot of ways to findwhat may be truth.
When we think about what istrue, can we agree that, for the
purpose of how we're going totalk about disinformation and
how propaganda is used in ourculture today, can we say that

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truth has to do with what someobjective fact is?
Is there a way we can look attruth where we can say it's
beyond emotions, it's beyondpersonal preference?
It's something that we canverify.
And my next question is whatare some ways we can verify that
?

So I think you can, by verification and
experimentation.
Those would kind of be twothings.
Now, you're not going to go outand experiment with weapons or
explosives, right, but it mighthelp to do some kind of thought
exercise.
And that might be, let's say,the tins of meat in Gaza thing.

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Israeli soldiers use a landmine,called an M-15 landmine, and
they use these landmines todetonate tunnels.
So the landmine is essentiallya portable explosive.
In the packaging of thelandmine there are these fuses,
and a fuse is a little thingthat you put inside the landmine
, well, to get it to explodewhen you step on it.

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But if you don't want thelandmine to explode when you
step on it, you just want to useit as an explosive to collapse
the tunnel.
You don't want the landmine toexplode when you step on it, you
just want to use it as anexplosive to collapse the tunnel
.
You don't put the fuse in.
Instead, you take the fuse, youthrow it on the ground.
You put something calleddetonation cord inside that fuse
.
Well, you daisy chain them andthen you detonate them.

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Now, that fuse box would bethrown on the ground and the
Israelis kind of left them there, and that's how and since, if
you turn them over, there's alittle key on them, like a
little tuna can gate.
That's how people thought oh,these are cans of food, or at
least that's how they thoughtthey could trick people into
thinking they're cans of food.
So even if, objectively, you'relooking at a can that looks
like a food can, the next thingyou have to say is what like a

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food can?
The next thing you have to sayis what does israel gain by
killing people randomly who arehungry?
Like what?
Does it?
Um, does it increase theirtactical situation?
Does it allow them to completemilitary objectives?
So when looking for the truth,you gotta pause.
You know, puts this, put, putany feelings and emotions you
have on pause and you go okay,how would someone actually do
this?
And what do they have to gain?

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Now for the case of these tinsof meat that were exploding,
that actually were fuses.
In a case like that, you kind oflook at it and you go like well
, does Israel gain a tacticalposition?
Do they get any closer todefeating Hamas by hurting
innocent people who picked up acan on the side of the road?

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Not really.
For the most part, and innocentpeople have been hurt.
For the most part, those peoplewere adjacent to a target and
that, unfortunately, that's whatwe call NCV Non-combatant
cutoff value, where you have tosay like, all right, and this,
believe it or not, is a thing inthe military where you go okay,
there's a number, and thisnumber, the NCV, the

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noncombatant cutoff value is thehighest number of civilians we
can kill in order to destroy atarget.
That is a very strange calculus.

Yeah.
I mean business has that too,like the FDA has it for a drug.
Like how dangerous it can be.

That is fascinating .

I want to ask you more about that.
I don't know everything aboutthat I'm not in pharmaceuticals
but I know that there's acertain level of toxicity or
lethality that all of the pharmadrugs really I mean that can be
dangerous.
There's a certain level of itthat is toxic.

Yeah, I think I once heard that if aspirin were
invented today, it would not belegal.
I wasn't aspirin, it wasTylenol.
If Tylenol were invented today,they'd be like oh my God, you
can't have this stuff on theshelves, it'll kill people so
yeah, apparently like tylenol islike I think what was it called

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rise syndrome or something likethat, like you can't give?

yeah, there's like I might be pronouncing it
wrong well, there's definitely,yeah, there's definitely some
skeletons in the closet.
I think around, but I so okay.
So you're saying cc emotion.
Try to think logically and lookat a in this context, a
geopolitical or some sort ofstrategy perspective or lens to

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see.
Is what I'm looking at really,even like in the?
Does it make sense?
Does it have some validity?

And you might emotionally want something to
make sense Like I know that youheard me on the Danny Jones
podcast.
One of the things that made alot of people mad was when I
said there's no such thing as amilitary industrial complex.
Oh, my goodness, people losttheir minds when I said that.
But if you look at where thingsare today versus where they

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were in 1990, versus where theywere in the 1950s, eisenhower
gave a speech I believe it washis farewell address in 1961,
where he warned America of whathe called the military
industrial complex, which arethese military companies that
were kind of influencinggovernment policy.

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And that might have been thecase back in the 1950s, but by
1990, what did we get?
Brac, base Realignment andClosure Commission.
So we're closing bases left andright because it was after the
first Gulf War, russia wasdefeated.
We're like what do we do withthis big army?
Shut it down.
So we started shutting downbases, we started drawing down
equipment, we bought lessequipment and now we're down to

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basically two shipbuildersthere's only two companies that
actually build military shipsand five total defense
contractors in aerospace.
So what we had back in even the1990s isn't really there
anymore.
What we had back in the 1990sisn't really there anymore.
When you look at something likethe profit of Lockheed Martin,

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which I believe was $6.7 billion, whereas Apple makes $97
billion a year, what business doyou want to be in, do you?
want to be in the business ofselling phones or weapon systems
to be in.
You want to be in the businessof selling phones or weapon
systems, but the militaryindustrial complex, it's so
ingrained in our consciousnessthat we have a very hard time

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letting go of it.

Is it outdated ?
Has it shifted into somethingmore, maybe cyber?

I mean, I think that one of the differences is
what's it called NCAA, nraa, theNational Readiness I can't
remember the darn acronym.
One of the things that we dohave is lobbyists from some of
the defense contractors do helpwrite some of our policy.

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When it comes to things likeparity Like we must have 11
aircraft carriers, we mustmaintain a certain kind of
dominance with China, or paritywith China on jet fighters or
whatever but when you look atthat you go like, well, who
would be better to answer thatquestion other than the people
who work for the freakingcompany?
There's a reason why you havepharmaceutical sales reps Like

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yeah, they're there to peddledrugs, but they're also there to
educate the doctor.
Like yeah, they're there topeddle drugs, but they're also
there to educate the doctor.
Like hey, you take this thingonce a day, it'll prevent your
patients from spontaneousdecapitation, right, which I
hear is really bad, like Hexagon.
If you take Hexagon once a day,you'll prevent spontaneous
decapitation.
Side effects may include yourlimbs falling off, but you kind

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of get the idea there, right, itmight not be a bad idea to have
experts, and if you don't thinkexperts are good at what they
do, hopefully you never need anexpert witness at a court trial.
Sometimes there's a reason whyyou have experts.
So I would say another thing toavoid that entrenched thinking
Like am I thinking this way?

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Because that's what I've alwaysthought.
I've always thought there's amilitary industrial complex.
So that means there is one now,even if Lockheed Martin only
makes six points.

Why was that an issue for people that there
isn't one or any more.
It's not as big.

When you challenge people's assumptions about the
way the world works, you betterget ready for a rough ride.

Yeah.

You know, look it was, it was Isaac.
It was in Galilee.
Galilee was standing in frontof the Catholic Church, the
Catholic, and he was therebecause he had the gall to say
no man, the earth moves aroundthe sun.

You're not going to believe this, but that
literally is in my intro that Ijust recorded for this podcast.
I mentioned 17th century,galileo Galilei and how he?
Was four centuries until PopePius, I think.
Yeah, sorry about that In 1992is when he finally said OK, all

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of the previous criticism we nowaccept.
Well, yeah, there is About thesun being the center.
Yeah, crazy.

One interesting thing when it comes to truth.
Truth can be a moving target,especially if the way what you
see as the truth works forcertain situations.
For example, newtonian physics.
Okay, isaac Newton.
Isaac Newton is a freaking man.
People were accuratelypredicting when the sun was

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going to come up with Newtonianphysics, and they were doing it
for 200 years.
But as we get closer to thespeed of light, newtonian
physics doesn't work anymore.
Now does that mean Newtonianphysics was wrong?
Well, it doesn't mean it waswrong.
It was right for thoseparticular applications.

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But then we discovered newinformation.
So if you're kind of clinging toold truth, hey, if you go
outside in the rain, you'llcatch a cold, all right.
If you go outside in the rain,you'll catch a cold, all right.
Well, maybe back in the 17thcentury or something, they had
no antibiotics or the houseswere more naturally damp because
of lack of insulation.

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So if you did go outside, youcouldn't dry off fast enough.
Now you can just throw ourclothes in the dryer.
Maybe you didn't have as manyclothes to wear, so you might
not change out of your wetclothes and you would catch a
cold.
I don't know.
But truth can kind of shift andif you kind of stay in the
mindset of well, this is thetruth, because it's always been
the truth, or it's been thetruth as long as I've known it,
that's kind of dangerous as well.

I love that and I think that actually let
that be our working definitionfor this topic today as we
discuss.
How can I know truth?
Because maybe it's an ongoingknowing, an ongoing relationship
, like you and I getting to knoweach other.
It starts here and then it getsbigger and larger and it can
change too.
So that's exciting, Okay, great.
So now that we have that forour listeners and for ourselves,

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I'd like to go into.
You've talked about a couple ofthings like IDC, the process
for analyzing facts, looking atlike probability and likelihood.

Yeah, I think that's ICD-203.

Okay, I think that's really interesting.
And then DIP, deceptive imagery,persuasion which is a form of
propaganda that uses you take animage and or one would take an
image and put false text over it.
It's particularly used insocial media.
I'm sure right how.
And then you have tools thatyou've mentioned in some of your
videos, ryan, which again I'lljust say are not only

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informative but freaking funny.
You use Cyabra, you use Google,reverse image searches, social
threat, intelligence, all thesethings.
What are your tools in yourtoolbox when you see something
online that you like use todeconstruct and say, hey, this

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isn't going on?

So I think probably one of the biggest toolboxes
all the books behind you andthese are just a small fraction
of the books I have, and Iactually have quite a few books
in my Kindle as well.
So probably one of the biggesttools is that.
Well, shoot, I'm the tool,because this is literally my
life.
This is all I do.
You know, I have a couple ofhobbies I like to run, I like to

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ride bikes, but I work about 13to 16 hours a day and even when
I'm going running, I'm readingor I'm listening to a nonfiction
book.
So you know, the step one inyour defense in depth, your
defense against misinformation,is to be informed yourself, and
that means read as much aspossible, learn as much as
possible about the entire world,everything from well, I mean, I

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have the adventures ofHuckleberry Finn right here One
of my favorites.
Yeah, really yeah To.
I have.
I have a book on Eros andPompeii.
Ooh, that seems titillizing.
I think these are just tworandom books that I pulled off
myself, right, yeah?

And, by the way, I just want to share, too,
that Ryan has been.
He had.
Not only has he done a video onsome of his favorite books, but
also he gave we're Not BlowingHot Air an exclusive list of his
top favorite books that I'llshare later on with our
subscribers.
So thank you for that, ryan.
But OK, right, so informyourself.
That's your brain, that's yourbase.

Your brain base is to to actually look, to read as
much as you can and know as muchas you can.
Know as much you can.
That's your base, right?
That's your foundation.
And then, for me, one of the oneof the tools that I use is
google reverse image search, andgoogle reverse image search
allows you to take an image andfigure out the provenance of

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that image.
Where did this image come from?
So it might, you might take alook at this image and see all
the possible instances wherethis image was posted, or even
similar images.
So that's one.
That's one useful, um, that'sone useful tool.
Now, syabra is a paid tool.
Uh, this is.
I think this normally costsabout twelve thousand dollars a

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month.
I actually don't pay for it.
Syabra gives it to me for free.
I just have to mention themwhen I use a tool.
And Syabra is constantlyscanning social media and it
uses some secret sauce todetermine whether accounts are
real or fake, and there'scertain software tricks they
have up their sleeve to figureout whether accounts are real

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accounts or inauthentic accounts, and that is very useful when
taking a look at people onsocial media who are spreading
misinformation.
So those are kind of like threelayers of defenses there and
the average person, they haveaccess to two.
Read as much as you can and useGoogle reverse image search if

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you're ever looking at an imagethat could be deceptive imagery
persuasion which, by the way,talking about deceptive imagery
persuasion, if you'd like me todo, that Please, yes.
The idea behind deceptiveimagery persuasion is that you
take a truthful picture and youput misleading text on it.
And one example I always giveis there's this famous Facebook

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post of a woman who said this isBetty White in her 20s.
I don't know if you showgraphics during your show, but I
can send you this image, butBetty White in her 20s is
gorgeous woman.
She's kind of like you know1930s pinup model looking thing,
but it's not Betty White.
But you want to believe it'sbetty white, right?

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Because who doesn't?

like betty white.
Yeah, real, real jerks.
Wouldn't like betty white.

That's an easy sell and there's, there's not a lot
of um, there's not a lot ofproblems that you can encounter
if you are wrong, that thatisn't betty white, right, like
the amount of proof that youhave to do increases based on
the level of the threat.

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If you came to me and said,ryan, someone parked in your
parking space, I'm probably notgoing to ask you for proof.
I'm probably going to take yourword for that right.
But if you say Ryan, hey, twoknights are jousting outside,
you say Ryan, hey, two knightsare jousting outside, you're
going to want to see some proofabout that.
Yeah, right, so kind of thelevel of claim, the severity of

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the claim.
You need stronger and strongerproof to prove that claim is
true.

Did a thumb just come up in front of your
screen, by the way?

Oh my goodness, I'm sorry.
I can't figure out how to turnthat off I have a mac in time.

I just wanted to see if it was deceptive
imagery that I was like that,for for some reason I can't
figure out how to turn that off.

When you do the thumb ups, that they do the
thumbs up I do thumb up likethat I I think that sometimes my
Mac will add a thumbs up on thescreen.

I actually think, if I do, this or that.

it, like confetti, rains down or balloons come up,
something like that Makes itrain.
I can't.
I've owned a Macintosh forprobably about nine months now.
I'm still figuring this thingout.

I think they call it a Mac now.

Yeah, you know what ?
That shows you how old I amright, because I grew up when
they were like oh, I have aMacintosh.

A Macintosh yeah.
Yeah.

That's amazing.
I can render a 4K video that's20 minutes long in about eight
minutes with this thing, and itwould have taken me at least 30
minutes on my, my old pc yeah,well, you've bridged like now
you're on the creative side, youneed a mac for yeah and if
worse comes to worse, I useremote desktop.
I remote into my pc.
In fact, when I, when I did arecent video, I wrote some

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software to uh kind of provethat social media could actually
shut down deceptive imagerylike that.

How mad does that make you that they haven't?

We could actually stop or severely hamper
disinformation on channels likeTwitter, facebook and Instagram
in about two sprints, and asprint is like a development
cycle, so normally that's a twoweek sprint, two week
development cycle.
We probably shut it down inabout two weeks.
You would use something calledvector maps.

I want to say that again.
So in two weeks we could shutdown on all social media
channels in the US, alldisinformation and deceptive
imagery.

I would say most disinformation.
We could make it severely hardfor it to spread.
We could do that in a couple ofways.
And two weeks I say two sprints.
A sprint in softwaredevelopment, agile development
is considered two weeks Usually.
Sometimes it's three, but somaybe in about a month, maybe
six weeks if the deadline slips,we could probably implement

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something that would, when youupload an image, it would take a
look at that image, it wouldsee how similar that image is to
other images that were uploadedand it could create that data
provenance for that image whereyou could say, hey, this image
was actually uploaded back in2016.
There is a famous picture of anIsraeli girl writing on an
artillery shell 155 artilleryshell and people were passing

(30:05):
this image around saying look athow horrible the Israelis are.
They are writing messages tochildren in Gaza on this
artillery shell.
And I said they might bewriting messages, but that image
is actually from 2006.
And the only reason I could dothat is that I remembered it in
my brain.
But how easy would it be for apiece of software?

(30:29):
It would be trivial.
It would be trivial for a pieceof software to take that image
that you just uploaded,vectorize it and a vector map is
sort of like a description ofthe picture but in mathematics,
and take that vector map and seehow similar it is to thousands
of other pictures, millions ofother pictures you could do that
in seconds, but that's trivial.

(30:49):
Yeah, it would take longer toupload the picture than I think
it would to actually comparewith other pictures, so we could
shut it down very quickly likethat.
That's one way of doing it,just by having data Providence
and saying, hey, this person isclaiming this thing happened
recently.
It actually happened in 2006.
That's number one.
Another thing we could do is wecould create a cool-down time

(31:11):
for things like how often youshare something or how often you
like something.
But how often you sharesomething, that's kind of the
big thing.
Maybe you only get three sharesan hour.
If you want to share something,you better really like this
thing, and that will kind ofhelp prevent some disinformation
from spreading.
People will really want to haveto use that share.

(31:32):
So I think that freedom ofspeech is definitely a good
thing and it's something thatthe government should not
infringe upon.
Now, private companies they cantake certain steps into their
own, certain things into theirown hands to say, okay, we're

(31:55):
not saying you can't say thisthing, but we are going to put a
little blurb on the bottom ofyour speech saying what this
person is saying is contradictedby this information that we
have here.

Yep.

So and that might kind of pump the brakes on
disinformation just kind of ingeneral.

I love it.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, I want to go back tosocial media, but first of all,
I think it's important to knowthat, like you've said in some
of your videos and again Iencourage all the listeners and
viewers to go and watch thembecause they're funny and
informative you love a littlebit of thrill and excitement,

(32:34):
danger, challenge being toldthat you can't the pursuit of
life and liberty, you've saidyou love keeping people alive
and, of course, truth, helpingpeople know the truth, finding
the bad guys and exposing them,kind of like, what do you have
to say about that?
Yourself out there as a publicfigure doing this stuff.

Boy, I've never, never really thought about that.
I mean, I guess I guess whatdrives me is it is that, that
love of country, I, I, uh, I'mjust uh, I'm so happy to be here
and I'm happy to be part ofthis, this amazing american
experiment.
Public figure, I think, kind oflike as a public figure, I, I

(33:20):
feel responsible to my fans, orpeople that watch my, my stuff,
even if they're not fans, tokind of give them good
information, give them the bestpossible information so that way
they can make decisions.
I still work today for anintelligence company called
Velocity.
I work part time.
They basically they're, they're, they're my, my, my, my way of

(33:45):
retaining the securitypermissions that I have.
So I just do a little bit ofwork for them and I can still
stay on that list right.

Yep the security clearance.

Yeah, the security clearance.
Not everybody knows what thatis.

Okay, I don't really.
I just like to say it, Ipretend like I do.

But I, I mean I want to be, I, I, um, I mean I
want to be on the list.

I I do want to be on the list, but uh, I'm
probably not gonna be.

There's like a year-long wait for that.

Okay, all right I'm still waiting.

I'm still waiting to be on raya if you know what
that is, it takes theinvestigators about a year to
clear you.
All right, I think that for aguy who served his country which
I kind of think is a weirdthing to say sometimes, but for
a guy who served his country Ialso feel like I can continue to

(34:36):
serve.
And I can do that by findingthe bad guys.
Now, I used to write somethingcalled C4ISR software.
C4isr stands for Command,control, communications,
computers, intelligence,surveillance, reconnaissance.
So my software found bad guys.
And once I found those bad guysI'd give that information to my
client and then my client wouldeither continue surveillance or

(34:57):
they would perform more kineticactions to solve the problem.
And nowadays I use softwaretools to still find bad guys,
sometimes kinetically, not here,but in other situations.
But when I'm in this room hereI can use my software that I've

(35:18):
either developed or I've boughtor I've worked with other
companies on to find the peoplewho are trying to destroy our
country through disinformationand exposing them for who they
are.
So I guess that's kind of whatI'm all about.
If I'm going to use mycelebrity for something, it's
going to be as the loudest voicein the room to call out the

(35:41):
people who want to destroyAmerica.

Well, I for one, I'm grateful for it.
I um, really the main motive Ihad in reaching out to you was
you really helped me with anissue that I have been, like,
subtly, but really quitestrongly affected by since
childhood.
I was a bit of a worry ward asa kid and you know, I would

(36:08):
worry about my mom and dadcoming back from a party, making
sure they got home safe, andalso I'd think a lot about
nuclear war and it like reallyworried me.
I mean, I would cry at night, Iwould cry myself to sleep
sometimes worrying about thesethings.
And so you, you know, I waswatching another podcast and

(36:31):
there was somebody who wasgiving a depiction of what
nuclear fallout would look likeand how it would.
All of the bombs would go offand everyone would be melting
off their flesh, off their face,and I, you know I wanted to
understand and read and allthose things.
So, but what you said I'm goingto, I'm going to quote, I'm

(36:51):
going to read you here Radiationisn't the boogeyman and you can
deal with it If you know how,you know that if you are outside
of the blast and thermal zone,you stand a good chance of
surviving if you keep your headabout you and you take shelter.
You also know how nuclearweapons are delivered and why

(37:13):
they might be used and what for,and you know that EMP is really
kind of an unknown factor inall of this.
There's one thing I want toleave you with.
It's this Don't be afraid ofradiation, but have a healthy
respect for radiation.
If you keep in mind time,shielding and distance, you'll
have all the tools you need todeal with the threat.

(37:35):
And that really freed me.
Like that was one of.
That was a different video thatyou did, but you were talking
about.
You know what the truth is andyou took issue with.
Whenever you see video that youdid but you were talking about,
you know what the truth is andyou took issue with.
Whenever you see something thatyou don't see as truth, ryan,
you call it out.
That takes so much courage andit's beyond your intelligence.
It's beyond all those thingsit's about.

(37:58):
Like it's a decision that mostpeople, I think, admire you for,
but most people don't make.

Yeah, I can tell you that I don't think anyone's
pro-nuclear war right Like,let's go to a nuclear war, and I
can tell you that if there wasa genuine honest-to-God full
exchange there'd be a lot ofproblems.
But in something like a limitedexchange, which could
theoretically happen, or ifwe're just talking about one
nuclear weapon, you're outsideof the blast zone, outside of

(38:28):
the thermal zone, if you're ableto take shelter.
There's a seven to 10 rule thatfor for every seven hours the
level of radiation goes down 10%.
I mean radiation.
Radiation is radiation becauseit decays when you have an
unstable isotope.

I knew you were going to say isotope, by
the way, because I watched yourvideo, if you have an that.

That one I know which book you're talking about
is the book that scared thepants off of everybody, yep, and
you should be.
You should have a healthy fearof this.
This isn't something you want.
However, uh, by understandingthe science behind things, you
can kind of take control, andone of the issues I have with a
particular book that I believeyou're referencing was radiation

(39:11):
wasn't explained.
And you know I have to travelto, actually I have to travel to
.
I might have traveled toMichigan soon, but traveling to
California you should.
I think you get about fivemilligram of radiation.
I'm trying to do that one frommemory and that's like one chest
x-ray.
So pilots, they get juiced uplike if a pilot got the the

(39:37):
radiation dose that a nuclearpower plant worker got, there
would be investigations.
Pilots get an enormous amountof radiation.
It's because you're flying kindof above that protective
blanket of oxygen wow, of theatmosphere that we have.
So you're at 30 000 feet,you're a lot higher up.
There isn't as much atmosphereprotecting you from solar

(39:59):
radiation.
Um, you know it's one of theissues we have.
Flying to Mars, there's a lotof radiation out in space right
Now.
Radiation is radiation becauseyou have an isotope.
We have an element that isunstable.
It has too many neutrons and soit tries to release these

(40:19):
neutrons, either in the form ofhelium, which is an alpha
particle, or an electron, whichis a beta particle, or gamma
rays, which occur when theysplit, or the neutron kind of
heads off on its own, which iswhat you get in a nuclear
reaction.
So radiation means that isotopeis trying to decay and reach a

(40:42):
stable state.
Now I don't know if you'veheard the term half-life, but
you might have an isotope liketritium, which has a half-life
of 12.33 years.
So if you ever have a tritiumwatch or a tritium sights on a
gun, there's a reason whythey're not as bright 12 years
later as they were when you tookit out of the box.
The point of radiation is thatit radioactive isotopes decay,

(41:05):
yeah, and different isotopesdecay at different rates.
And if you kind of know like,okay, after roughly a week
things are going to be down tosafe levels, don't, don't splash
in any puddles, but it'll besafe enough to go outside and do
different things, if you kindof know that, then that kind of

(41:26):
gives you a little more power.
And you know one of the fears Ihad when that particular book
came out was that people weregoing to use that as an excuse
to let Russia just walk all overEurope.
Because, oh my God, what ifRussia nukes whatever?
And the next thing you have tosay is well, what does that even
mean?
Russia nukes whatever.
And the next thing you have tosay is well, what does that even

(41:47):
mean?
What if Russia nukes?
What does that mean?
Is Russia going to detonate acity buster over Kyiv?
What tactical benefit did theyget from that?
Are they going to blow up NewYork?
What benefit did they get fromthat?
They don't get any benefit fromthat.
About the only time I could seea nuclear weapon used in
Ukraine would be a smallertactical nuclear weapon which

(42:08):
would be in the one to 10kiloton range.
Like a small nuclear weapon andsome of the smaller weapons,
you could detonate one at theend of an airfield and it
wouldn't even break the glass atthe other end of the airfield,
and that's how small some ofthese weapons can be.
But you might use a tacticalnuclear weapon to explode over

(42:30):
an enemy formation.
So that is a thing you can do.
The Russians actually practicedthis.
We practiced it ourselves inthe 50s.
We would detonate a nuclearweapon and then tell troops okay
, run through the blast area,and that blows a hole open to
the enemy lines.
And a second uh use case for aweapon in ukraine would be if

(42:51):
ukraine manages to break throughrussian lines, russia could
theoretically use a tacticalnuclear weapon to stop their
advance, probably an airdropweapon.
So the the, but the odds ofthem doing that are very, very
low.
Uh, I've said before, nuclearweapons really aren't that
useful today, because one of thereasons we used nuclear weapons

(43:11):
in the past was that we didn'thave smart weapons.
And now, if we want to drop abridge, we can use a laser
guided bomb.
Back in the 1950s we weren'tthat precise.
Just lob a nuclear weapon in thearea of that bridge and it'll
take it out, but I'm glad that Iwas able to make you feel that
no, legit, like it was.

Uh, it was awesome and you know it's all on
that pursuit for truth and howwe can grow and look at things
and really understand our worldbetter.
So it was, it was amazing.
I I think I would like to gointo what our real, what the
weapons are today that are beingused, but first I think it's
somewhat important to, asthoughtfully as we can talk

(43:53):
about who is our enemy.
Who do we really need to beafraid of now, today?
You know, sitting here, I'm inMinnesota, you are somewhere on
the East Coast.
What's my threat?
What's your threat?

What do we need to consider, if not worry about Boy
?
I've never been asked thatquestion before.
So the general strategicthreats would be, in order of
issue Russia, China, Iran andNorth Korea.
Those are the four basicstrategic threats.

(44:32):
I would say another strategicthreat might be general climate
change and I'm not a climate guy, I'm not a super
environmentalist, but the armyhas already identified that
climate change could create thekind of mass migrations and the

(44:54):
kind of civil disturbances thatcould cause the American
military to be deployed todifferent places.
So if climate change meansdroughts in certain areas or
energy scarcity and that startsa war, the US or the UN could be
called in as peacekeepers tostop those sides from fighting.
So that's kind of the fifthissue there.

(45:15):
And I think one big issue isterrorism and that threat, that
specter of terrorism hasn'treally gone away and are you
putting that outside of theformer enemies that you
mentioned?

Are you coupling that with?

it.
Yeah, I would Well.
So the thing that actually kindof keeps me up at night, a
couple of things keep me up atnight.
One of the things that kind ofkeeps me up at night.
A couple of things keep me upat night.
One of the things that kind ofkeeps me up at night is
terrorism from Iran, iranianproxies inside the United States
.

And can we just?
For the benefit of listeners,because I recently, I mean
really kind of understood whatproxy wars are and how they're
used by some of the majorcountries.
Can you can you briefly explainwhat that is?

Absolutely so.
You know, for for the longesttime, a country like Iran, they
didn't have the money to buildaircraft carriers, they didn't
have the money to build hugenuclear missiles, terrorist
organizations or militias andhave them develop a strategic

(46:26):
footprint or a footprint insideof a country to destabilize that
country and give Iran influenceover that country.
Lebanon is one example.

Kind of like pharmaceutical reps going in to
talk to the doctors.

Yeah, I mean you could say that Pharmaceutical
yeah, the people who wereselling Oxycontin, they were
trying to destabilize theindustry, right yeah, yeah, the
people who were sellingOxycontin, they were trying to
destabilize the industry, rightyeah.
So, and then, ideally, thenthat doctor might talk to
another doctor at his golf gameand say like hey, did you see
that pharmaceutical rep.

Their drug helps prevent people's heads
from popping off right boots onthe ground and citing well,
finding the alliance, howthey're connected and then
giving the resources to executea higher agenda.

Yeah, so these proxy organizations, in Iran's
case the Houthis who are inYemen.

(47:36):
The Hamas is considered a proxyorganization of Iran, even
though technically they're Shia,they're a differentians and
they kind of do Iran's bidding.
If Iran wants to destabilize acountry like Lebanon, they might
tell Hezbollah okay, I want youto attack the parliament
building this weekend and wewould just drop a bomb on it,

(47:58):
right?
But we have aircraft carriersand we have other resources.
Iran doesn't have that.
So I think one of the thingsthat kind of keeps me up at
night is the idea that Irancould have proxy agents here
living in the US who are waitingto be activated to go do some
kind of terrorist thing.
I mean we've seen that.

We've seen that happen.

It happened in Chechnya at a school called
Belsan.
That was in Iranya.
Uh the, at a school calledbelsan, uh, that was in iran,
that was, uh, the chechens.
I believe, um, but I recentlyislamic state launched an attack
in moscow I just mean the fear.

The fear isn't it.
The fear is grounded in somehistory.

Your fear is grounded in the history.
I don't want to say fear isn'toh, oh, I'm scared of that.
It is.
There is a non-zero chance ofsomething like that happening.
And while I am in no waycriticizing our president or our
current border policy, with ourborders the way they are, one
of the issues is that we don'tknow who's coming in.

(49:02):
Is that we don't know who'scoming in?
And a lot of Chinese have goneinto the southern border with
Mexico, and some Iranians aswell, and in the intelligence
community this is what we call aclue, and that doesn't mean we
need to shut the border down andput people in cages and arrest
and deport, but it means we needto do something, at least know

(49:25):
who we have coming in.
Because if I were Iran, that'show I would bring terrorist
groups into the country.
Just put them in through peoplewho are being smuggled across
the border by coyotes, and nowyou have cells living inside of
America.
I didn't want to eliminate yourfear of nuclear war and give
you a new one, but you know,look if you're.

I'm not as scared because I subscribe to
your sub stack and your YouTubechannel now, right, and so I
know I'm going to be able to seesomething coming now with a
five minute or 20 minute video.

I sincerely hope I never have to make a video like
that.
But, I mean, you take a look atwhere you live in.
You live in Minnesota right,and in Minneapolis there's the
Mall of America right.
Like what's what's?
Is that good?
Is that?
I don't know you may have.
I've never been to the Mall ofAmerica.

I won't say anything.
I don't want to like hamper ourtourism here to the state.
It's not where I would shop.
Actually, you know, maybe I'm abit of a fatalist, because I've
heard that if, like one tinydrop of anthrax was dropped, it
would shut down the mall forlike 70 years, or something
crazy like that.
You know?
So like I don't know.

You got to be careful with the hyperbole.

Yeah, exactly, which is why you're my favorite
now.

Yeah, one drop of anthrax could like.
Well, we would detect it.
You're my favorite now.
Yeah, like he's had one drop ofanthrax.
Well, we would detect it.
We have troops and all thesetroops do I think it's 37 series
, I might be wrong about it 73series, 73 series soldiers, 73
MOS series.
They find and go after chemicalweapons series.
They find and go after chemicalweapons.

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And we have a number ofNational Guard units that I
can't remember their name rightnow, but these National Guard
units are active duty NationalGuard and their whole job is to
respond to nuclear, biological,chemical and radiological
disasters.
I know one of my fans asked medo a video about the dangers of

(51:24):
a dirty bomb.
The biggest danger of afreaking dirty bomb is to get
hit by a piece of masonry whenthe bomb goes off.
A dirty bomb is just a bomb,conventional bomb that's
surrounded by radioactiveisotopes.
That thing blows up and youdon't have an atomic explosion.
You have these radionucleotidesthat are kind of thrown
everywhere and yeah, if youbreathe one in, you might have

(51:51):
some problems, but for the mostpart it's a weapon of terror,
not really a weapon of massdestruction.
Right, and we know how to findand clean up these radioactive
isotopes.
How do we know that?
Because what does radiation do?
Decays.
What do radioactive isotopes do?
They emit radiation.
So we find the particle that'semitting radiation and we go oh
okay, there's a particle ofradiation there.

(52:11):
We take a piece of tape, stickit on that, we survey the ground
.
Okay, that's clear.
We survey the tape Yep, it's onthe tape Put it in a biohazard
bag and we put it in storage forthe next 10,000 years or
however long it takes to decay.
So in a case like that, we havenational guard troops that know
how to deal with radiological,biological, chemical and nuclear

(52:33):
threats.

Well, I think, going back to like, there are
enemies out there in the world,so they're.
On the macro, big geopoliticalplayers are also the proxy
players.
I think one could argue it'salso within our mind that we can
control the level of threatthat we, you know, the
information we take in, how wemake sense of it and how we live

(52:56):
our lives.
Like, I'm not going to worrytoo much tonight about
everything I'm learning todayfrom you, but you know so.
I just want to make sure I'mlearning today from you, but you
know so, I just want to makesure.
So, to finish your point, theproxy, some of those players, a

(53:17):
bit of the explosions that mighthappen, if we can say that word
.

You know all the words that are taboo on YouTube.
Oh, on YouTube.

Yeah, that's good enough, but, yeah, so any
other thoughts on what yourworries are today?
Oh, on YouTube.
Yeah, that's good enough.
Yeah, so any other thoughts onwhat your worries are today?

Like as far as what we're dealing with, cyber
security is a big worry, okayyes, I want to get to that, I
have a very dumb house, and I dothat for a reason.

So like broadband are you talking?
Is that what, how?

how I don't I?
I do have one alexa device andthat is kind of walled off a
little bit in my network and forthe most part that's because if
I'm handling raw meat I don'twant to touch the timer on the
microwave to you know, do like15 minutes or whatever.
Alexa set a timer for 10 minutes.
Yeah, uh, but other than that,I don't have any smart devices.

(54:10):
I can't turn on my lights withmy voice.
I can't open my blinds with myiphone.
Uh, I have a.
I have a very dumb house, andone of the vectors in for any
kind of uh, any kind of cyberattack would be all of the
devices that we have on ournetwork, because I can
practically guarantee you thatyour voice activated coffee

(54:32):
maker probably doesn't have thelevel of cybersecurity that you
would expect.

So I'm just going to come cut to it.
Should we, the people listeningto this, make our houses and
our cars dumber, more dumb, notas smart, or do you need to?

that depends on your level of risk or your your
risk profile um you know, I uh,one of the things I've talked.
I've talked pretty openly aboutit I carry a gun.
I'm not a gun nut, I'm notsuper into guns, but I carry a
small pistol Because I've beenthreatened before.
So my level of what I believe,what my perceived risk is, is

(55:15):
probably different than theaverage person who isn't quote
unquote YouTube famous or hasn'tpissed off Iranians and
Russians and Chinese and incelson 4chan, right, I would say in
general, if you can live yourlife without an internet
connected washer dryer, then youshould probably do that.

(55:36):
But then you kind of have toweigh like hey, um, it's nice to
know when my clothes are done,because I live in a big house
and I don't get the alert thatmy dryer is finished and then I
haven't folded the clothes yet.
So if you can kind of giveyourself a reason why this thing

(55:58):
needs to be connected to theinternet, then yeah, maybe the
advantage of having that deviceis worth the trade-off.

Let me ask oh sorry, go ahead.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I was pretty much done.
Okay, so everyone needs a VPN,yes or no?

So one of my sponsors is AI VPN.
Plug it, plug it, yeah, yeah.
So I I would say that, yes,with an asterisk.
If you're traveling uh, ifyou're traveling and connecting
up to the hotel wi-fi, it's,it's.

(56:42):
You're not having sex without acondom, you're having sex with
somebody else's condom.
It is the most disgusting thingyou can possibly do.
Connect to a hotel network.

What about the airport?
Same thing Any public network.

Any public network, you need a VPN.
Just in general, it probablyisn't a bad idea to have a VPN
virtual private network.
So a VPN virtual privatenetwork, it allows you to mask
your location by using anothercomputer.
So you tunnel to that anothercomputer and it looks like to

(57:18):
the whole internet that you'recoming out of that computer.
Oh, by the way, companies canactually detect whether you're
on a VPN because the frame sizeis a little bit smaller.
This package was wrapped insomething else before.
It's a little bit slower, butif you travel I don't even use
airplane Wi-Fi without a VPNthat's going straight up to a

(57:40):
satellite.
I don't know who manages thatsatellite I would say that it
wouldn't be a bad idea when youtravel or if you want just that
extra layer of security.
Uh, especially if you, if youum.
I guess one example is um,let's say something like uh,

(58:01):
like, like netflix.
You know, right now netflix getsreally angry at you if you're
suddenly outside of a location.
So if I travel down to afriend's house or something like
that, in a different state, Iwant to be able to watch my
Netflix.
I might use a VPN to make itlook like I'm still in Maryland.
That way Netflix doesn't go ohhold up?

(58:23):
Where are you?
How come you're over here.
So that would be another usecase.

Are all VPNs the same, by the way, what's
that?
Are all VPNs the same, wouldyou say?
Because I know a couple likeSplashtop, or whatever it's
called, is owned by another one,and I use a different one.

So not all VPNs are the same.
One of the things you kind ofhave to watch out for is know
who owns your VPN, what countrythat VPN is based in, because,
like, if you have, let's say, aVPN that is owned by China, you
know, like that's now your datais going directly to China.

Can we just say do you want to plug your VPN
then?
So I trust that one Well.

I mean, my VPN is PIA VPN you can get a.
Pia VPN slash to get an 83%offer this month only.

Really Okay, awesome, all right, I use Molded
.
By the way, tell me later ifthat's a good one or right now.

Look, let's say you were operating an intelligence
agency.
Wouldn't it be a great idea tostart a VPN?

Brilliant.

Hey, use Spooky VPN .
Spooky VPN gives you the topspeeds, right.
Hey, give it away for a dollara month.
Spooky VPN for a dollar a month.
What's frustrating to me?

is the US government in some cases, are
shutting down some VPN.
Because I have VPN, I can't goto certain sites.
Oh, certain government sites nono, I mean I don't know if
maybe we should edit this partout, but crypto stuff.
The government's really kind ofagainst VPN, I think in general

(01:00:12):
the US government, because theywant to see data, they want to
see what's going on with thatstuff In that community.
It's a challenge.

Ryan McBeth (01:00:23):
In the crypto community yeah.
You know, I'm actually notaware of that.
I know a little bit aboutcrypto.
I did send you that video themost amazing video, by the way.

Lauren Carlstrom (01:00:33):
Now we have to keep this apart.
Like everyone, ryan does thisreally smart like spec script of
a Seinfeld episode where heexplains how a blockchain is
actually made from a very, verygeeky side.
Geeky way, like with the nodesand all that.

It was really awesome, though, so it has all
three episodes, Of course.

I had some more laugh out loud moments.
I'm telling you it is reallyreally well done.

He dresses as a woman.

I mean, you're a woman, you're.

Elaine, I'm actually.
I happen to know my old boss.
He told me that he believes theRussians actually assigned
someone to me.
So I have a handler.
I have a minder who kind ofwatches what I do on the
internet.

Hey, what's up Vlad?

But I'm actually really surprised they haven't
found that yet Me dressed likeElaine, that's so good, I'm
surprised about that.

When you said in your email, it wasn't that
popular yet.
I'm like you just got tore-blast it out to all your
followers.
You just got to re-blast it outto all your followers.

It's one of the issues that most people wouldn't
get it, at least the softwareprogramming side.
But what was kind ofinteresting was, as I was
writing the script for thatparticular video, I was like,
wow, this would actually, ifSeinfeld were going on today,

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kramer would be mining crypto100%, without a doubt right,
yeah, yeah yeah, it's money fornothing.
This is gold, jerry.
I can tell you, in my head I'vealready I was like I would
watch this.
It was comical.
Like it was like I would watchthis.
It was comical.

Like it was great.
No training everybody.
I don't know if I like you moreas a comedian or an
intelligence expert, liketelling the truth and shaming
the devil on social media.
Yeah, it's funny.
I've never been called acomedian before.

Oh, my God.

All right.
Well, I don't know, Maybe yourfans ask your fans if they think
you're funny or more funny ormore helpful.

I think some of the I think some of the humor came
from.
You know the fact that thatwhat, what can Russia say about?
You know, sometimes when I dovideos, I'm like I'm wearing a
bathrobe and you know I looklike hell and my shirt has
cigarette stains in it, my hairis messed up and the reason I I
started doing videos like thatwas number one.
It was usually early in themorning when I because I was

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working for accenture, so like Iliterally like rolled out of
bed, just made a video, right,you know, because something
happened last night.
Oh, there was a new Ukraine,got a new weapon system.
I'm going to make a video aboutit and kind of what I realized
is that if I look like I'm acrazy person, what can Russia
say?
If I'm wearing a suit and tieand I'm trying to be very stiff

(01:03:41):
and respectful and sound veryseriously.
I'm taking you seriously.
If I do that, then Russia cango oh, this guy is a CIA shill.
But if I look like I juststumbled out of the basement and
my walls are covered with redlines and string and pictures

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and JFK and all that stuff, if Ilook like that guy and I'm
giving good intelligence, whatcan Russia say about me?
Right, the word disarming comesto mind.

It's very disarming.

Yeah, in some ways that's a character and I also.
I don't take myself tooseriously, no not anymore.
Like, yeah, there are times,there are times when I know when
to be serious, like when I didmy video where I analyzed
footage from the October 7thattacks not wearing a bathroom.
Right now, I know how to beprofessional.
I'm professional right now.

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You did that, you did Really.
I didn't see any of thosevideos, yeah.

So I had to make two versions, one for
YouTube, which, by some miracleof God, I was how to be
professional.
You did that.
You did Really, I didn't seeany of those videos.

So I had to make two versions one for YouTube,
which by some miracle of God gotmonetized by YouTube.
I had to blot everything out,but by some miracle of God it
got monetized.
But on my sub stack I showeverything uncensored and it's
pretty graphic.
I'm not showing these picturesbecause it's like I want to show

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dead people.
Instead, I'm saying, all right,these Palestinian guys are
posing with this dead body righthere.
You can see by the patch ontheir left shoulder that they're
in the 5th Brigade.
So that's kind of like.

(01:05:27):
I'll show all sorts of depth onmy on my sub stack and but but
there's a reason behind it.
Someone asked me to review avideo that was like greatest
hits, which is just Russiandudes just getting blown up by
FPV drums.
I'm like there's nothing.
There's nothing to value.
Here You're just showing peopleget killed, yeah.

Go play a video game if you want to do
that?

Yeah, if you're, if you start to think it's fun,
you need to seek psychologicalhelp, because that's not,
there's nothing about thisthat's good.
I feel sorry for every Russiansoldier that has to get blown up
.
You know what that sucks.
It's war.
One of the videos that I madeGod, I guess about two years ago

(01:06:09):
, when I found out the TOWmissile, which is a missile that
I used to shoot in the Army.
It's an anti-tank missile.
When I found out the TOWmissile was being sent to
Ukraine, I made a video and Imade it.
Creative Commons and I beggedRussians to surrender and I
begged Russians to surrender.
Call this number up here, callthe surrender hotline, because
you're going to burn to deathinside your tanks this missile

(01:06:32):
is.
I knew a lot about thecapabilities of this weapon
system we were giving to Ukraineand I felt sorry for those
Russian kids who may not havewanted to be there and are going
to suffer the consequences of amadman.
And I begged these kids tosurrender surrender.
I can find the humanity in that.
So if I'm just seeing a bunchof videos where russians are
getting blown up not a lot therebut if they're getting blown up

(01:06:55):
and their arm flies off andthere's a patch on their arm
that says, oh, they're in the75th motor rifle regiment,
that's intelligence, that's.
That's interesting to me, youknow.

but the other stuff, like yeah, yeah, I don't,
I'm not too into the wholedeath porn kind of thing yeah,
you're more into life, clearly,I think, by the way you choose
to live your life.
Um, I, I, so we've we'vediscussed about a little bit
about the enemy, who it is, andand some of the kind of more

(01:07:25):
modern warfare which I think yousaid cyber security or cyber
tactics, social media.
Tiktok, you said, is a weaponssystem.
You said it is a weapon.
Go ahead, no, you tell it.
You're better than your quote.
You're right here.
Yeah, tiktok is a weapon.
Go ahead, no, you tell it,you're better than your quote.

You're right here.
Yeah, tiktok is a weapon system.
You know, in the olden days, ifyou wanted to destroy a bridge,
say, when you buy a drill, doyou buy a drill because you want
a drill or because you want ahole?
Because you want a hole, right,want a drill.
Or because you want a holeBecause you want a hole, right.

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So if you destroy a bridge, areyou destroying a bridge because
you want to destroy a bridge?
Or by destroying that bridgeyou can prevent the enemy from
advancing across it, or you'repreventing resupply, you're
causing general economicdistress which degrades the
enemy, right.
So in the olden days, if youwanted to destroy a bridge, you
had to send a bomb, you had tosend a missile to destroy that

(01:08:32):
bridge.
Now, why are you destroying thebridge?
You're destroying the bridge todeny the ability of people to
cross that bridge, which couldhinder enemy movements.
It could degrade yourcapability to resupply.
So now, with TikTok, you couldsend students who you
brainwashed to shut down thatbridge.
Now the bridge is still thereand you haven't destroyed
anything.
You have plausible deniabilityfor sending a weapon.

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But when you send a bunch ofstudents to shut down the Golden
Gate Bridge.
You're a weapon system.
What you've done is you'vecreated economic disruption.
One of the things I've actuallyadvocated for is to consider
enemy disinformation agentscombatants, which means they can
be kinetically targeted.
So if you are getting paidmoney to spread disinformation

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from the comfort of an office inwhatever country you're in, we
can put a hellfire through yourwindow.
Now, one of the things I'vesaid is I can send you this
graphic For years we'veconsidered land warfare.
For 100,000 years, as long ashumans have had stones and

(01:09:43):
sticks, we've been fighting onland.
And then, by the PeloponnesianWar, we're fighting on the
oceans and then by World War I,we're fighting in the air.
So we've already establishedthat there's three domains of
warfare and anybody fighting inthose domains are lawful targets
.
A soldier with a gun he's alawful target.

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A sailor on a ship he's alawful target.
Sailor on a ship he's a lawfultarget.
A person in a plane, a pilot ina plane that's a lawful target.
So cyber, there's a domain ofwarfare now, and you could also
say information is a domain ofwarfare, and that information
domain weaves its way throughthe other domains of warfare.

Can you explain just how is cyber
different in your vernacularversus information?
Information war versus cyberwar?

So cyber warfare is designed to degrade or disrupt
enemy computer systems Okay,adversary computer systems.
Okay, adversary computersystems.
So I might launch a cyberattack that shuts down a
computer system or destroys ahard drive or whatever Okay.
Whereas information warfaremeans that I am targeting your
brain, messaging, I am trying toget you to believe something

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and lead you toward a guidedconclusion, to degrade our
adversary Might.

I dare say what's happening right now in
Palestine the student protests.
Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I have no doubt in my mind that
you know the the who.
I'll say whoever is doing this.
I can't prove exactly if thereis a single agency that is
directing students to protest incertain places.
A lot of this stuff is done ona case-by-case basis.

(01:11:29):
I know that.
One example is the wildfires inHawaii.
After the wildfires in Hawaii,the wildfires just so happened
to coincide with an Americancongressional trip to Ukraine,
and one of the narratives thatwas put out by Russia was we're

(01:11:50):
giving $700 checks to people inHawaii, but we're giving X
amount of billion dollars toUkraine.
And that wasn't true.
Now it was true that we weregiving $700 gift cards to people
, because when someone has losttheir entire home, they go to

(01:12:11):
FEMA.
Fema says okay, here's a $700gift card, come back tomorrow.
This $700 allows you to buysome clothes, get some sundries,
get a hotel for the night.
Come back the next day, we'llget you the aid you actually
need.
Fill out the paperwork.
But somehow the narrativebecame $700, we're only given
$700.
And that is an information wardesigned to degrade America's

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faith in their government.
I'm going to Australia in acouple of months.
In July, I'm going to give aconference, at the 2014
Emergency Services Conference inthe Gold Coast in Australia.
So spending $9,000 to give aspeech for 20 minutes, right, I
get my name in a paper, like ona research paper.

(01:12:55):
Worth it, nice, worth it,totally worth it.
So one of the things thataustralia is afraid of is china.
Uh, if there's ever wildfires inaustralia, uh, chinese
disinformation agents might putout information saying go south,
that's where the shelters are.
So people go south and they runstraight into a fire and they

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all burned to death.
Why did they?
Why did the government say thatthe shelters were in the south?
Right?
All you have to do is create a,a twitter handle that's similar
to the government twitterhandle, and get people to
retweet what you're saying.
Yeah, you might have, like itcould be like the, the new south
wales emergency services, youknow, at new New South Wales

(01:13:41):
Emergency Services might be theTwitter handle, right?
So then, if you're China andyou want to cause disruption in
Australia, just copy the logofrom that and then call yourself
China New South Wales EmergencyServices, underscore, and then
you start putting outinformation with hashtags that

(01:14:02):
say outback fire or whatever,and now you have people
retweeting information like well, the emergency services said go
here.
And now you have people runningstraight into a fire.
Now people are upset with thegovernment because the
government told them to go southinstead of north of the safety
list.
So that's information war.
That's another component ofinformation war, information war

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Okay.

So, and the best place for a lie to hide is
within a truth, right?
So like it's always probablygoing to sneak its way into
camouflage itself and live inthere.
But like so when you think ofthose situations and people,
that the heat is turned up,whether it be a fire that
suddenly ascends upon a nationand the people, or a threat of a

(01:14:47):
new type of weapon or warfarethat's coming down on a people,
or it's a political assembly, ademonstration that people have
an emotional urgency to go to,yeah, we can learn to pause and
think okay, does it align?
Is this a rational way ofthinking about what the truth is

(01:15:07):
?
Or we can turn off the socialchannel that we're listening to
or find a different social mediachannel or person.
Like I guess what I'm asking youis how is the best way we we
don't have you all the time onevery video, every day of the
week, to tell us when a newthreat hits our nation.
Like we don't have someone likeyou to kind of guide us how do

(01:15:30):
we create our own inner guide tomake sense of an incoming
threat?
I'll give you one more funexample from my life.
One more fun example from mylife I was in Hawaii when there
was a missile that they said wascoming oh yeah, yeah, oh, that
must have scared the hell out ofyou.
I was, I was, I work constantlyand I finally went on a vacation

(01:15:51):
with.
I was with my mom in abeautiful hotel on the beach.
It was like I was working.
The first three days.
We finally took a yoga class on, like, near the beach.
Someone comes running down thefirst time and just finally saw
the sun and they're like amissile's heading our way.
Everyone go to the ballroom andso we went to the ballroom,

(01:16:12):
which wasn't going to help usand and we are all gathered
there and it turned out to be afalse alarm, right.
But like I had no idea what, mymom wanted to go to the hotel
room to get her wallet so shecould have her body identified.
It was like there was no plan,there was no way for us to be
prepared.
The hotel wasn't ready, youknow.
So like what, like in a realheated moment, like how, because

(01:16:34):
we are living in that world.
We are living in that worldwhere it may not be nuclear war
now that like melts our facesoff, but it's some stuff.
It's something on a bridge,it's something that happens in
front of the Israeli embassy,it's something that happens that
evokes emotion or urgency, andlike I think the big question is
do we completely shut downthings like TikTok from our life

(01:16:57):
, or do we?
Or like parts of Twitter orlike how do we really not be led
without cutting out information, without cutting out news in a
way Like what do you think isthe solution?

It's a very good question.
I don't I don't think you needto cut TikTok out of your life
if you're using it for certainkinds of entertainment.
I don't necessarily agree withTikTok.
I do believe it's a weaponsystem.
But if watching funny dancevideos or cat videos on TikTok

(01:17:34):
gives you joy, then maybe allowyourself to watch those cat
videos.
But when the cat starts talkingabout how Russia is going to
win a war against Ukraine, thenmaybe you shouldn't listen to
that particular video.
So that would be one thing.
The other thing would be toknow what your sources are.

(01:17:55):
So when it comes to things likebreaking news, there are some
channels that are better thanothers.
If you have a reputable newsorganization, meaning a news
organization that you pay for,that might be a better source
than something where you'regetting your information for
free.

(01:18:16):
Eurasian Times, I believe, is ohmy God it's a horrible website
that's full of fake news.
But you know, the fact is thatif you're not paying for
something, the product is youright.
So I pay for two newspapers,three newspapers.
I pay for the New York Times, Ipay for the Wall Street Journal
and I pay for Haaretz, which Ionly started paying for after

(01:18:39):
the October 7th attacks becausethey had the best graphics on
casualty figures.
So if you're getting your newsfor free, that should be kind of
a warning sign, becausetypically organizations that you
pay for have armies offact-checkers.

(01:18:59):
They have experienced reporterswho know how to question things
.
That would be a good, thatwould be a good starting point.
Are you getting your news fromsomething that you pay for,
right?
Okay, so that would be step one.
I think the now there's also anissue with that too, because
when did Israel lose theinformation war?

(01:19:19):
They lost it in October 17th.
That was when the Al-ArabiyaHospital.
There was an explosion of theAl-Arabiya Hospital and the New
York Times said Israel dropped abomb on it without even really
checking first.
I did a whole video about that.
Another thing you might be ableto do is just kind of go through
ICD-203, which is theIntelligence Community

(01:19:41):
Directive-203, which has amatrix in it, and that matrix
kind of says all right, let'slook at the probability of this
thing being true.
Just kind of use your reasoning.
In the case of the outlier, itwould be a hospital.
You have to look at yourreasoning and go okay, what is
the likelihood that Israel woulddrop a bomb on a hospital?
Is the likelihood that Israelwould drop a bomb on a hospital?

(01:20:02):
Well, if Daddy El-Badi was inthat hospital and Israel really
wanted to get Daddy El-Badi,yeah, they might drop a bomb on
that hospital.
They might have it go inthrough a specific window.
It might be a smaller weapon.
They might do that.
So that's not out of thequestion.

(01:20:22):
Is it possible that a bombdropped from an Israeli plane
might have gone off course atthe hospital?
Yeah, that's a possibility.
But then you go to the otherside and go alright, what if it
was an accidental?
What if it was a deliberateattack by Hamas?
Well, every weapon you fire atyourselves is one less weapon
you can use against the Israelis.
That probably isn't possible.
But could it be a Hamas weaponthat failed?

(01:20:45):
As it turned out, it was anIslamic Jihad weapon that fell
short of its target.
And when you look at how 20-30%of rockets launched from Gaza
fail and fall on their ownterritory.
In the intelligence communitythis is what we call a clue, and

(01:21:05):
maybe you know now.
The New York Times didn't gothrough that process.
They didn't go through thatintelligence process.
They looked at all the possiblepossibilities and put it into a
matrix.
So in some ways I guess theremight not be any hope, because
if the New York Times get itwrong, what are the chances you
get it wrong?

I think I'm not speaking for my country, but
I think there is a feeling ofnot knowing we can trust.
Even the news sources we mightpay for or the popular ones we
think are mostly doing theirresearch are somewhat impartial.
I think there's, I think likethat's the overall fear and

(01:21:46):
that's why people I think one ofthe reasons people love you but
you're doing all that work forpeople, right, I mean you're
like that's a lot ofresponsibility, like why can't
we be more empowered to havethis critical thinking level of
like analysis that and that'sprobably not possible.
We all have a day job.
Right, you got to go to work.

You got to work at it.
This is me between 13 and 16hours a day.
I love, you know, I one of the.
I love consulting.
I love traveling, because whenI travel someplace I get to like
not be at the computer.
I can actually read a book orsomething like that, although I
might be reading a book about,like you know, weapon systems or
the latest report on iran'srockets, right, but at least

(01:22:30):
like I'm not.
You know feeding we callfeeding the beast.
You know youtube is this, this,this cookie monster, and you,
always, you have to keep feedingit.
Content, right, keep feedingthe beast.
When I'm home, I'm feeding thebeast.

Well it's, I will say I'm not ending this
podcast unless you have to.
You still have a cigar goingNumber two, I noticed you still
good.
We might have to make thistwo-part podcast, but that would
be amazing.
Yeah, I think you're stilldoing a service.
That's what I was trying to saywhen in your all of the effort

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that goes into creating yourYouTube videos, your sub stack
videos.
Um, interestingly, you'vepointed this out before.
You're not on Tik TOK.

Um you.

You've have many false aliases that try to
be you.
I think that's amazing.
So no one follow him on TikTok.
You won't be getting the realRyan McBeth, so yeah.
So we were going to talk alittle bit about more about
TikTok how that's a weapon.

(01:23:36):
You're okay with businessesusing it.
You're okay with people usingit for enjoyment.
You just think that they'restealing.
I mean, I'm putting words inyour mouth out.
Are they taking all of ourinformation?
What are they going to do withit?
Who cares if they know mypreferences or what I like to
watch?
Is that really?
That's not so much a threat,but it's how they're going to
brainwash us.

(01:23:57):
Is that correct?

Yeah, so that's that, not so much.
Here's what I can say.
The TikTok when?
So China was sucking downinformation, and in fact there
was.
There was a situation in TikTokcorporate a couple of people
got fired over this where TikTokthought there was a leak, and

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so they looked at the TikToklocations of journalists, not to
serve them ads, but to see ifany of their employees had been
in the same area as journalists.
And that's something they cando, right, because if you have
TikTok on your phone, tiktokknows your location Even if I

(01:24:41):
turn it off, even if I saylocation services off um if you
turn off location services, youyou might be okay, but if, if,
um, if you're connected to wi-fi, you know the data is still
getting out.
Okay, and because wi-filocations are a way to geolocate
, it's, it's how I geolocated adoctor who who claimed he had

(01:25:04):
gone to gaza, you know yeah,your phone never left the us,
right, I figured that out, thatwas.
But and you know what's scary is, I bought that data.
That was trivial, just I justbought that data.
And I bought the advertisingdata for the phones that were in
Northern Virginia because I wassuspecting this doctor who

(01:25:25):
claimed he had gone to Gaza andsaw all these atrocities.
I just bought all this data andI just filtered the data until
I found a phone that was pingingfrom these three offices that
the doctor owned.
And then I was like, hmm, thisphone never pinged at iad, it
never pinged at dallas, which isa major international airport,

(01:25:47):
never pinged at newark, which isa major international airport.
Something tells me you're notelementary.
So, yeah, even if you turnlocation services off, you're
connected to wi-fi.
That could be an issue.
Um, your phone actually isn'tlistening to you.
That's one thing people think.
Oh, I was talking with my wifeabout going to Italy and then I
went to the bathroom and on myphone there were these ads for

(01:26:09):
Italy.
Well, it's because as soon asyou got up to go to the bathroom
, your wife Googled trips toItaly.
And since her phone isassociated with your phone and
they're both coming off the sameWi-Fi node.
It knows the two of you live inthe same house.
The microphone is not onlistening to you all the time.
That would drain the batterylike that.

Myth buster I love it Okay.

Yeah, but I actually kind of can.
So you had mentioned one of thedangers of TikTok.
So let's say that one kind ofscary thing Supposedly China, or
supposedly TikTok, divested allof their servers and placed

(01:26:54):
them in Oracle in Texas.
They actually call it ProjectTexas at Oracle in Texas.
They actually called it ProjectTexas.
And so if you want to gettechnical TikTok, us is
firewalled off in Texas and theTikTok version that they have in
China is on ByteDance servicein China.

(01:27:15):
It's actually called somethingelse in China and I can't
remember the darn name for itright now because I was Dofang
or um.
I actually I have to do a videowith uh jordan harbinger, uh,
doyen.
Doyen is the name of the uh theservice in china, um, but like
doyen is heavily restricted,doyen, like if you're under 14,

(01:27:36):
I think you can only be on t, onTikTok, for like 20 minutes a
day or an hour a day, somethinglike that.
It only shows like scienceexperiments and like famous
Chinese astronauts and patrioticvideos.
Yeah, stuff like that.
But whereas in the US, like hey, let's make the US dumber.
But even if TikTok servers aretechnically split off from the

(01:28:01):
ByteDance servers, China stillowns a seat, they own a golden
share.
And if you're an executivesitting in your offices in the
US and something comes down fromcorporate saying like hey, I
need you to get me the profileinformation on the location of
all of these users, all of thesejournalists that are in the US.

(01:28:22):
I need to know where all thesejournalists were the past couple
of weeks.

Are you going to say no to that?

I don't think so right, like you know, your
bosses in China said hey, I wantyou to give me this information
.
I can tell you, the weakest manin the world is a 55-year-old
white male who is an ITprofessional, because I

(01:28:51):
guarantee you, he has two kidsin college and he is not going
to be able to get anotherwell-paying job if he gets fired
.
So what are the odds that thisguy is going to do whatever the
heck people at corporate inChina tell him to do?
I would say it's probablypretty close to a hundred
percent right, because if hegets fired, he's he's not

(01:29:12):
getting another nice cushy jobas a director of it for a.
For a major corporation, right,he's too old, ageism is a thing
.
So you know if, um, for a majorcorporation, right, he's too
old Ageism is a thing.
Yeah, so you know if?
What I can see is if Chinawanted to grab information,
location information forsomething like elicitation.

(01:29:33):
Let's say, I'm China and I wantto know about the F-35.
All right, one of the things Imight do is I might create an
account on a message boardthat's mainly used by Lockheed
Martin employees, or it's maybea message board that's about the
aerospace industry and I'mgoing to call my account

(01:29:54):
Engineer Girl with three R's.
And then I'm going to put a.
I generate a picture of a cutegirl in her early twenties with
a couple of strands of purplehair, and then I'm going to post
a message saying hey guys, I'ma student doing a paper on the
radar reflective properties ofthe F-35.

(01:30:15):
Can anybody help me out withthis paper?
I just need some specifics onwhatever.
Now, most people are not goingto give out secret information.
There's always that one dudewho sees engineer girl and
thinks well, I'm going to helpthis young lady with her career.
You know, guy's in his 40s,he's got a little weight on him.
He's never going to talk to agirl.

(01:30:36):
That looks like that in reallife.
Why not help her out?
That's elicitation, okay.
So whenever, um, I actually, Iuh, it's funny, she had just
appeared in a video of mine Ihad this, uh, this Russian
dissident reporter who works inLithuania.
She reached out to me becauseshe was I've done work for her,

(01:30:58):
uh, her news station a couple oftimes.
And she reached out to me andshe was like ryan, I'm gonna be
in washington dc, uh, do youwant to meet for dinner?
And I was like.
I called a bunch of otherrussian journalists that I know
the number one.
I called my boss and I was likehey, by the way, someone who's
lithuanian, who's a russiandissident, who works at an
opposition russian radio stationor tv station, just called me

(01:31:20):
and asked me to dinner.
Because that's like anybodywho's in the intelligence
community that should set offalarm bells.
An attractive woman just askedme to dinner and she's from
another country.
This is how elicitation starts.
And then I actually calledaround to a bunch of other
Russian journalists.
I know I'm like do you knowthis woman?
They're like yeah, she's fine.
And we had a nice dinner at aGeorgian restaurant.

(01:31:40):
Russian journalists.
I know I'm like do you knowthis woman?
They're like, yeah, she's fineand we had a nice dinner at a
Georgian restaurant.
She just wanted to show me whatGeorgian cuisine is like.
That's fun, sounds great.
I think originally from Georgia, not Russia, but then she went
to Russia and then went toLithuania.
So elicitation is where someonetries to get to know you and it
is our natural desire to bepolite, to be helpful to be,

(01:32:04):
helpful.
Yeah, like hey can you tell mewhere 7-eleven is?
Oh yeah, go down the street andturn right, right, hey, can you
tell me what the radarreflective properties of the
f-35 is?

yeah, yeah, it looks like a suitcase, you know
like that playing in ourgoodwill right, right, and that
I mean I mean sociopaths.
Do that right, likemanipulative people do that.

Right.
When you go to a timesharepresentation, why do they give
you free food and free showtickets, Right?
Oh, they did all these nicethings for me.
Maybe I should buy theirtimeshare, Right?
So what?
Let's say TikTok wanted toelicit me.
They had a Chinese spy.
That was like.
I want to get Ryan McBeth totell me some secrets.

Do you know how you could get got?
Do you know how?

Yeah, I'm going to tell you how you can get me.

All right.

So what?
What I would do if I were Chinawas I would hire somebody to
bump into me.
So it's probably not going towork with a 20-year-old, right.
She needs to be a reallyattractive 40-year-old woman who
is into triathlon and biking,right?

(01:33:13):
So China knows that I'm goingto different races or, because
of location services is on myphone.
They know that I ride thisroute every Saturday.
You know, by my house I do 20miles on my bike or 30 miles on
my bike.
I ride this route.
So they can see that becausethe location service is telling
me that they can hire somebodyto come and ride a bike and have

(01:33:38):
their bike break down.
Of course I'm going to stop andhelp, because every cyclist
does right.

So is it surveillance, reconnaissance and
SRI.

Yeah, that would be a reconnaissance, that would be
a type of reconnaissance rightand hey, you want to go to
dinner.
Yeah, I'll go to dinner withyou and you know, trying to just
figure out where I am, how theycan send someone to me.
You know, one of the funnythings that I'm really not into.

But how would they get you?
I mean, you wouldn't, so youmeet or you bump into her.
What are they?
How do they get you?

Relationship starts Right and then like oh, what do
you?
So why do you have to go toTampa so often?
Oh, what's in Tampa?
Right, yeah, MacDill Air ForceBase is in Tampa.
What's on MacDill Air ForceBase?
Socom?
Oh, so what's it like workingin a SCIF?
It's a Secure CompartmentalizedInformation Facility.

(01:34:28):
Now, at this point I might begetting a little suspicious.

Because you've been trained to know right,
Right.

All right, why are you asking about the SCIF?
But that so not everybody mightbe as suspicious as me.
So if you have TikTok on yourphone and China knows your
location and they think youmight want to get the
information from you, then youknow that might be an
interesting way of doing it.
And again, what IT manager isgoing to say no to that?

(01:34:57):
Nobody.
Now you might say like, well, Idon't do anything, I have.
No, I don't have to worry aboutTikTok coming after me, I don't
have to worry about Chinacoming after me.
I just like to watch cat videos.
All right, well, you like towatch cat videos, but you are a
man who is also sexuallyinterested in men.

(01:35:19):
Let's say you're married to awoman.
Are a man who is also sexuallyinterested in men?
Let's say you're married to awoman.
You have some curiosity aboutother men.
You watch some TikTok videosabout homosexuality.
Maybe you've talked with othermen about sexual topics using
the chat feature on TikTok ordirect messaging or whatever.
Now China has that informationand then, 10 years from now, you

(01:35:43):
decide to run for office, soit's collection.

It's collection of data.
Right now.
It's data collection yeah.

When it comes to handling human intelligence.
There's a term called MICE,which means money ideology, and
I see C is coercion and E is ego, right.
So when that would be coercion,right, like we're going to

(01:36:14):
coerce you into kind of workingfor us or following our policies
, because we know all thisinformation about all the weird
sexual stuff you were talking toother men on TikTok.
Wouldn't your wife hate it ifshe found out about that, right?
So that would be one method ofconvincing someone to maybe do

(01:36:36):
some things that are not inAmerica's best interest, and
that's something that's notgoing to happen on Instagram.
An Instagram executive is notgoing to go after a guy, a
future politician, although Iguess theoretically that could
happen, because in some cases,twitter was shutting down the
opinions of some people who weregoing against the current
administration.

And it could be hacked, right, Like you said,
even Bitcoin 51%.

Yeah, if 51% of the servers all agree, then it
doesn't matter what you say, youcan change the whole blockchain
.
So, yeah, that's what's kind ofscary to me about TikTok the
fact that not only do they haveall your personal data, but you

(01:37:25):
might say, well, the servers areon the other side of the great
firewall of China, but inreality, all it takes is one
weak 55-year-old IT professionaland you're sunk, you're done.

So I think for me, ryan, it kind of goes back
to what we know to be true.
We may not know the whole truthabout what's going on in Israel
or Iran or South Korea,whatever is going to happen next
, taiwan, even in our ownbackyard, their own family, but

(01:37:59):
we can know what we know is trueabout ourselves and hold onto
that truth and and I think youknow you have, you've mentioned
on your videos, caroline, orwhen we you know, is that right?

Carolyn or Bueno.
I probably pronounced her namewrong.
Yeah, she's amazing.
She's better than me she'sbetter than you, she is she when
it comes to misinformation.
You know I'm I'm neil degrassetyson, right like you, you wheel
me out and whenever a newrocket launches and I say, well,

(01:38:35):
this, I'd like to see beyondthe stars, right, like, that's
kind of my, that's my thing, Igive you, like this, surface
level information.
Carolyn Orbueno, she can digreally deep into things.
She's very good at what shedoes.
I'm just famous, that's it.
You know people like the I'mthe drunk uncle that people wish
to go.
Come to Thanksgiving day.

You play your role and it's awesome.
But I just want to point outsomething she said that you
actually brought up.
You referenced her and I thinka lot of us like we jump to a
conclusion, maybe because ofemotion but also because, like
we just it's like that shortcircuit.
We kind of we want to close agap on how we think about
something she said.
When you can't tell what isreal, many people respond on

(01:39:17):
giving up an objective realityand instead choose to make
judgments about what is truebased on what they want to be
true, to win the battle of anarrative.
So it's either like a cognitivedissonance jumping to that
conclusion, or it's because theyfeel like they have to have an
answer.
When I looked at that video youshared about the college student
who was crying because she sawHasidic Jews, you know, and like

(01:39:40):
it's about like coming back toyourself, like what is it inside
yourself that feels so brokenthat you feel like you need to
have some sort of outside answerfrom a political stance that's
going on I think you said itbefore Like if you really are
that upset or something about gosee a psychiatrist.

(01:40:01):
The season of we're not blowinghot air is about mental health.
So being able to think aboutissues, having critical
reasoning, without being pulledinto this like this haze of
emotion, I think is so importantand I feel like that would.
I hope that message can get outsomehow, because a lot of

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people want to know no, no, no,no, no.
Even me I go there, but like,really, like, can we just like
breathe, try to breathe and calma little bit, because what
ultimately really can we control?

Well, you can.
So when someone spits on you,does it?
Does it make you mad?
Someone spit on you?
Would it make you mad?
Yeah, no, it makes you wet.
You make yourself mad, Right.
So that's what you can control,you can control how you react
to things Right of things Right.

(01:41:00):
So that is one thing you cancontrol.

I was in Kenya in a market and someone I was
with was spit on and they, theyhad to control it.

Yeah, because we were Americans.
Sounds like a fascinating.
I want to hear that story.
Your podcast no.

I just but that made me think of that exact
thing, like you're right, causethey couldn't be mad.
It was a wasn't our country, wewere Americans, you know.

Yeah.

It was a different time, but I yeah that
that's really that's so.
That's just hitting me, I guess, is what I'm saying yeah, that
point, yeah, yeah.
We can control ourselves.
That's what you me, I guess, iswhat I'm saying.
Yeah, that point.
Yeah, we can control ourselves.
That's what you're saying wecan control our reaction.

That's the one thing you can control.

Yeah Well, I think I just don't really have
anything else to say.
I did want to.
I mean, I wanted to talk abouta lot more things, like I wanted
to know what you thought aboutpeople who think the moon
landing isn't real.
Keep going, screw it Really,for real, all right, moon

(01:42:10):
landing.

Moon landing.

There was this guy that I was almost going to
date, but then he told me hedidn't believe in things like
the world being round, orspherical, oblique sphere, an
oblique sphere to be factual, oryou know that that, like, maybe
the moon landing wasn't realand I couldn't, I couldn't go on
, I couldn't go any further thanthat.
So how do we, how do we thinkabout issues like that?

(01:42:35):
So that's.

that's just kind of interesting.
You know, there are some thingsyou kind of have to trust
science.
I don't even want to say trustthe science, because when you
use the definite article, thatthat kind of implies that
there's my science and yourscience, and my science is
different than your science.
There's just science.
Science is constantly changing.

(01:43:01):
I've written about nuclearweapons, I've written about
nuclear bombs.
I have never once touched apiece of uranium or plutonium.
You can own uranium, you canbuy uranium, but I know uranium
exists.
Now I'm never once.
But I know uranium exists.
Now I'm not, I'm not a hundredpercent sure it.

(01:43:22):
You know, like I, I I've I'venever encountered uranium, but
at some point I kind of have totrust that.
There's all this science abouturanium, so I'm pretty sure
uranium exists.
When it comes to something likethe moon landings, Um, I can, I
can see why people want tothink that something was fake.

(01:43:42):
I think one of the things thatconspiracy theories kind of give
you is they give you controlover a very uncertain world.
Because if someone's going totell you what's really going on
with so-and-so, then it kind ofgives a little bit of purpose to

(01:44:03):
this crappy life that you have.
Like in the sense of, like youknow most people, they get up,
they go to work, they work allday at a job they hate.
They come home they might watcha little TV, scroll TikTok or
Instagram.
Eat dinner, go to bed do it allagain, right.
Instagram.
Eat dinner, go to bed do it allagain, right.
But but then when you go onlineand you go onto a conspiracy

(01:44:27):
theory website or you see aconspiracy theory channel on
YouTube, that opens you up to awhole new world.

It's sensational, yeah it makes you
feel things.

Yeah, why is Harry Potter so popular?
Did you ever read Harry Potter?

You know, I never did.

All right.
Well, here with Harry Potter,he's a kid magician, right.

Well, I mean, I know what it is about.
Yes, yeah.

So why was Harry Potter so popular with children?
Well, children don't have anyagency.
Children don't even get todecide what goes into their
mouth, right, they have to eatwhatever their parents make them
for them.
But if you imagine that there'sthis whole secret world, where
you're a wizard in this secretworld and you have all this
power over the adults that theadults don't understand, that's

(01:45:15):
a very powerful fantasy,especially for a child,
especially for someone who hasno agency.
So if you're someone who isworking every day at the job you
hate, you come home, your lifesucks, you don't have enough
money to pay your bills, it isreally easy to fall into that
trap.
That idea that there is anotherworld out there, and this is

(01:45:37):
that fantasy world, that HarryPotter world.
So, when it comes to somethinglike the moon landing, why were
we going to the moon?
We're going there forexploration.
Exploration is pretty darnimportant, but what's another
reason we went to the moon?
Well, we went to the moonbecause we were in a race with

(01:45:59):
the Soviets.
The Soviets were our biggestenemy and we had to show the
Soviets that we had superiortechnology to them.
So if we actually hadn't landedon the moon, the Soviets would
have provided proof.
You know that we hadn't been onthe moon.
Because they were watching thatmoon, landing like hawks, and

(01:46:26):
they were going oh crap, we'reactually on the moon.
They were watching that movie,landing like hawks and they're
going oh crap, they're actuallyon the moon.
So there's that.
There's also, um, there'stelemetry data.
I'm sure someone picked uptelemetry data.
But also, if you take a look atthings like um, like uh, the
contractors that were involvedin constructing the lunar lander
, the ascent modules, all thisother stuff, these were
thousands upon thousands, uponthousands of people who were
involved in constructing themachinery that actually went to

(01:46:49):
the moon.
And sooner or later, someone'sgot to go into a bar and talk.

You know Well that's what you know and I did
not do any research on this, soI have no background.
But what the gentleman I wastalking to said was that the One
of the astronauts wasinterviewed on some and there's
video of this.
He said on like it was like EdMcMahon or like one of those

(01:47:17):
shows back then, and that he andthen he actually said you know,
yeah, like it was all inHollywood, we did it.
It was like it was a set, youknow, and like it's just, I
think, what it begs the questionis, what is our level Like?
What are those things that wecome back to that give us

(01:47:39):
authority?
What?
What makes truth?
What creates and defines truthfor us?
Do we believe the science, likeyou said, who built the lunar
module or whatever?
Or is it a testimony of anastronaut that purportedly said
it was all fake?

Well, that's what you got to do, right?
You got to go through ICD-203.
You got to go through thatintelligence matrix ICD-203,
intelligent Community, directing203.
Anybody can download it.
It's a PDF available for free.

Okay, great.

Yes, it is the standard.
I'm sorry, it's the standardthat the intelligence community
uses to measure probability thatsomething's going to happen or
that something has happened.
So what is the probability thatthe Soviets would?
Let's back up for a second.
What is the probability thatthe Soviets could detect us

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going to the moon?
Well, the Soviets had systemsthat could detect
intercontinental ballisticmissiles being launched.
They had spy satellites.
They probably had spies insidethe NASA program.
So the Soviets probably kneweverything we were doing going
to the moon.
If we hadn't gone to the moon,they probably would have said
something.
If we hadn't gone to the moon,they probably would have said

(01:49:01):
something.
So I would certainly say thatthe odds of the Soviet Union
pointing it out if we didn'tactually go to the moon is very
likely Right, and that has ahigher rank than when someone
says well, an astronaut went on.

Johnny Carson, like the gravity, the gravitas,
they did it all.
Yeah, well, which astronaut wasit?
Is there any footage?

the gravitas.
They did it all.
Yeah Well, which astronaut wasit?
Is there any footage of that?
I'd like to take a look at it.
That's what it was, because, Imean, I've never heard of that.
I think he said there was sothat could be deceptive, right,
where you could have a pictureof an astronaut on Johnny Carson

(01:49:41):
and then overlaying thatastronaut is text that said, on
this date Buzz Aldrin went onJohnny Carson and told Johnny
Carson that the moon landingwasn't real.
Now people see that footage.
They might even remember thatepisode of the Johnny Carson

(01:50:02):
show where they remembered theastronaut was on the show.
But this was kind of backbefore everyone had a DVR, right
?
Well, did he talk about that?
I don't, and then maybe youmight do a search.
Oh yeah, buzz Aldrin was on theJohnny Carson show in 1971,
right?
So that's kind of how stufflike that can perpetuate.

(01:50:22):
Buzz Aldrin was on the JohnnyCarson show in 1971.
Right, so that's kind of how.

That's kind of how stuff like that can
perpetuate Another lie hiding inthe truth.
What about let's just jump tothis subject that seems to be
very popular in some of the bigpodcast circuits Aliens, ufos,
how?

do you slice all that up for yourself?
So one of the things that I didwas a couple of months ago
there was a testimony of a guythree guys in front of Congress
who basically testified thatalien artifacts were being
worked on.
And I actually don't rememberthe full context.

(01:51:02):
This is like last year that Idid this, but I actually used
ICD-203 to kind of break it downand look at, like, all right,
why do countries or why dospecies colonize other species?
Right, like, why do you do that?
And there's five reasons why.
And like, one of the reasonsthat comes off is uh, resources

(01:51:26):
is one thing, right, so youmight go to another planet for
resources, you might go forexploration, you might go for
religion.
Oh, you might go for defensivepurposes I can't seem to
remember the fifth one but oh,uh, was it research or studying
yeah, scientific, yeah,scientific knowledge.
anyone might be ego like okay,let's say there were two alien

(01:51:50):
species and they're competingwith each other, just like the
us and the soviets did, and theyfound out there's earthlings
over here.
Well, I want to be the firstspecies that goes to earth, but
when you look at the amount ofresources that you need to do
that, it's absolutely insane.
For such little benefit andI've actually said that there's

(01:52:15):
probably roughly even chancethat we're not alone in the
universe.
But there's almost no chancewe've been visited by an alien
life, because if we had be, we'dbe dead.
And I say that because ifyou've ever read the Three Body
Problem series of novels, youknow there's.

Isn't that a Netflix show right now?

Yeah, it's a't seen it, although it's not like the
books really okay.
So that's a good another goodbook worth watching, though it's
worth watching okay, um, uh,there's this thing.
It's on amazon prime.
They have the original chineseone which is like 45 episodes or
something like that, which ismore accurate to the books.
But the netflix show is worthwatching, but the the uh, the
free body problem, one of thethe books.

(01:52:59):
But the Netflix show is worthwatching, but the free body
problem.
One of the books in the seriesis called the Dark Horse and it
kind of postulates that that ifwe, if there's kind of two
horrors.
The first horror is that we arealone in the universe.
The second horror is that wearen't alone in the universe

(01:53:20):
Because usually when someonetries to colonize somebody else,
it doesn't work out well forthe people being colonized.
So my assumption and what Isurmise is that, since
technology can theoreticallydevelop very fast, if an alien

(01:53:44):
species ever encounters anotheralien species, you need to wipe
them out, because they mightwipe you out first.
If you don't take thatopportunity to wipe them out
when they're at a lower stage oftechnology, they might come and
colonize you one day.
So I think any alien speciesthat would have visited us would
have killed us all, and they'vehad billions of years to do it.

Are you worried about the people who
really believe they've seen orexperienced something?
And second question you caneither answer that or what is
the role of the government inallowing these stories to
propagate?

I think it's freedom of speech.
As long as you're not um, aslong as you're not giving out
classified information, you cansay whatever you want, and you
know that the, the, I did thevideo about that public
appearance of like three guys infront of Congress.

Oh, I didn't see this one.
Yeah, okay.

So I did a video about UFOs.
I can send that to you afterthe show.
But in this particular video Ijust kind of go over every
single reason of why we probablyhaven't been visited by aliens.
But this was an open,unclassified briefing, and if

(01:55:05):
the US military had anyknowledge about aliens it would
probably be classified.
So what these people weresaying was unclassified data
right and unclassifiedinformation.
So if it was unclassifiedinformation right and
unclassified information, so ifit was unclassified information
and if aliens exist to mostlikely be classified, then the

(01:55:28):
logical conclusion is you knowthey, they think they, they
certainly think they sawsomething right, but they can't
tell you the truth.
It cannot be true because I.

I'm not smart enough to follow that train of
thought.
So what is it?
So what is it you're saying?

All right.
So let's say that the military.

Is a military wanting people to believe that
something's going on for adistraction, or because wanting
people to believe thatsomething's going on for a
distraction or because theydon't care?
Like it seems like there's justa lot of attention on this
matter, and I think that'swhat's interesting to me.
Not so much like is it true ornot?
Are there aliens among us?

(01:56:14):
Are they watching us coming upfrom the ocean?
All those things.
But like first of all, mentalhealth, are these people OK?
Like is this an OK way to kindof like have or live our day?
And then, secondly, like whatis the?
Where is the military in this?
Really like the US military?

Well, I didn't explain that correctly.
So if, if, if, if aliensexisted.
So if aliens existed or we hadalien technology, then that
technology would certainly beclassified.
It's secret, top secretclassification and in an open

(01:56:51):
public forum you can't sayanything.
That's secret or top secret.

Okay, understood yes.

That's why you go into a SCIP youIP Secure
Compartmentalized InformationFacility.
So the fact that these peoplewere testifying in front of
Congress in an unclassifiedenvironment is kind of proof
that what they're saying isn'tsecret right.

Okay.

So if aliens exist, we would make that secret.
Yes, yes, so if, they'retalking about it, then they
either don't know what they'retalking about or they're making
stuff up.
Those are the only two possibleoutcomes.
They don't know what they'retalking about or they're making
stuff up, or they're making itup, or if they truly believe it.
There are people who trulybelieve in various concepts.

(01:57:41):
I believe I am a Christian andthat when I die I will go to
heaven.
I can't prove that, but that'swhat I believe.
There's other people whobelieve that they're Muslim, and
on the Day of Judgment you haveto walk across a bridge, over a

(01:58:02):
lake of fire, and the bridge iswide enough.
If you've done good deeds inlife, your bridge is very wide,
but if you've done evil deeds,your bridge is only the size of
a thread.
Well, I don't believe that, butthey believe that.
So who's right?
Yeah, I certainly think I'mright, but I can't we're.
Who's right?
Yeah, I certainly think I'mright, but I can't.

(01:58:22):
You know, we're dealing withunclassified information when it
comes to aliens, and anyevidence on aliens would
certainly be classified.
So these guys can't be rightbecause they wouldn't be able to
talk about it.

So maybe, as we come back to like what, how
can we know truth and whetherknowing the truth is important
or not, whether it it matters,this seems like kind of a benign
issue.
It's not hurting anyonebelieving in aliens or believing
that I'm gonna go to heaven, soit's not something that maybe.
So it's like the truth thatmatters.

(01:58:54):
Maybe is the truth that affectsone another, each other.
I'm asking, I'm trying to, I'mtrying to come to my own
understanding of like.
How can we know truth?
Like, what's the pursuit allabout?
It seems to me like you're notattacking people on social media
who are, like you know,believing in like that kind of

(01:59:15):
thing, like being a Christian orwhatever.
But there actually are people,but they see it as a threat, not
believing that, that truth.
They don't want you to go tohell well, that's, that's good.

That's kind of a you problem yeah, yeah, yeah,
right it's all, it's all likekind of like, what truth is what
?

how we, how our flags of truth go up, our
concerns about truth go up,about what we see as the
ultimate.
I'm trying to, I'm trying tomake sense of my world.
Ryan I, I don't actually knowthe answers here, but like it
seems like it's kind of funny isit it's.

It's kind of you know, arguing about religion is
kind of like saying, well, youknow, my invisible man in the
sky is way more important thanyour invisible man in the sky.
Like, at this point, both ofour invisible man in the sky is
way more important than yourinvisible man in the sky.
At this point, both of ourinvisible men in the sky are
equally valuable or equallyworthless.
It's just what I happen tobelieve and I can respect your

(02:00:15):
views and you can respect myviews.
I would ultimately say thatanybody who wants?
to get up in front of Congressand testify that they saw alien
technology.
Ultimately, they are harmless,because is there going to be any
actionable information taken onthat?
Probably not.
What's the actionableinformation you take away from

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it?
Are we going to get any newkind of technologies?
Are we going to have some kindof alien technology that cures
cancer or something like that?
If that existed, well shoot,let's roll that thing out.
Start curing cancer For me, formy life.

that would be great, right?
I think it's important for meto know and I'm thankful to how
you, how you look at, how youdice up what's true, because I
don't want to give my attentionto something that isn't maybe
worth giving my attention to.
I think the information economy, or like that's kind of the

(02:01:13):
future, that's what is that ourattention is what companies are
going to be paying for in thefuture.

So if we're giving I really like that term, that's
a really good term informationeconomy.

I don't know if I made it up or not.
I probably didn't.

I like it, though I'm going to start using that
Because, when you think about it, we have a finite bandwidth for
accepting data.
Finite bandwidth for acceptingdata yeah, I guess one of the
one of the reasons that, likesome, some traditional networks,
some traditional tv networksare so scared right, because if

(02:01:48):
you're, yeah, you might have atv show on, but you might also
be browsing tiktok on your phonewhile the tv show is on.
So what's getting yourattention?
It's probably not the tv show.
There is a finite amount ofbandwidth the person has to
consume entertainment.
There might be a finite amountof things to worry about as well
, you might want to starttrimming those items to worry

(02:02:10):
about down, yeah that's what I'mworking on.

That's why you're here for me.

Worry about things, nuclear war.
Yeah, worry about things thatyou can actually affect.
Worry about things you canworry about things that, uh,
that you can.
You can actually worry aboutthings.
You can actually change andenjoy it.

And I think, as it's been said, that, like,
as ai becomes more in charge ofour, the workforce, we're going
to have more free time, so allof like it is going to be a
fight for our attention.
So, like, even like right, Idon't want to watch podcasts now
that are about aliens anymore,like, I have a few of them and
it was interesting and I learnedand I expanded my mind, but

(02:02:46):
ultimately I came to someone whois more like you, or I can like
it.
Just, it connects with mebetter, it makes sense, and then
it frees me up.
I feel better about my world,like there is a feeling attached
to it.
I don't want to like be ruledby my feelings, of course, but
it does give me more of a senseof peace and like going back to,
like the locus of control,which is like just within me.

(02:03:08):
Yeah, so you know.
Oh, go ahead.

No, no, no, please no.
I wanted to hear this time Iwas going to say like well,
that's the question, right?
Do you want to be the kind ofwoman?
Whose emotions control youractions or your actions control
your emotions.
Yeah, when someone spits on you, does it make you mad or does
it make you wet?

I want to be the kind of woman whose spirit
does I want to have, like that'san I don't know what that even
means, even means yet but like Iwant it to be driven by, like a
place of peace and love, forsure, and power.
I want the power to be likethere, in a way where, like I'm,
it doesn't really matter whathappens to me, I just, I'm just

(02:03:55):
going to go with what I know tobe true as long as it's not
emotional.
You don't like emotions,emotions are wonderful.
I'm the daughter of a therapist,so I was raised to know
emotions, emotions are, I thinkunhealthy when they're not known
, not nurtured.
We push out fear, we push outanger.

(02:04:18):
We don't deal with it, thenit's just going gonna bubble up
and eat us, you know maybe, oh,I've never.

Uh, you say that I'm, I'm a deep thinker and I
I've never really.
I uh, you know my my, you knowI like this stuff, I like liquor
, I like cigars, I like goingrunning it doesn't have to be a
certain level or uh, we are whatwe are.

We're biological beings that I think
can have a spiritual experience,but it can be just walking on
the beach smoking a stogie, ifyou call them those.
Still, I don't know.
Whatever it is it, this couldbe one I.

I guess probably the I felt spiritual in church
back when I was younger Iactually I used to go to church,
but you know, I probably for me, probably one of the most
amazing, maybe spiritualexperiences I ever had was, uh,

(02:05:20):
I was actually in training.
You know, I was, I was in a, um,I was in an armored vehicle and
that particular day was thecommander of this vehicle and,
uh, I looked back and I believethat might have been second or
third in line and we were doinglike a company movement.

(02:05:40):
So we had, uh, god, likefricking, 30, some gun truck and
30, some vehicles.
And I look back and it's justthis ribbon of steel, you know,
behind me.
I thought to myself, my God,this is, you know, this is the
most beautiful sight in theworld, like all of this American

(02:06:04):
firepower ready to to stomp onthe bad guys that would dare
harm our country.
And you know the, the clunk ofof a Humvee door, like an
armored Humvee, one of theup-armored Humvees, the M5, oh,

(02:06:25):
my God, 577, I can't rememberthe darn name of the darn
vehicle, now it's been a coupleof years.
But the clunk, that clunk thatthe door sounds when it closes,
or that the engine when itcloses, or that the engine, um,

(02:06:48):
you know, when I, when I did uhconvoys, when I was a weapons
platoon sergeant, um, or aplatoon sergeant in a weapons
company, that, uh, thosemovements, that feeling of being
inside of my gun truck, likethat was my happy place.

Well, that was uh.

Yeah, it has it has that wasn't like togetherness,
right, it has like a community.
It's yeah, yeah, you'reabsolutely right.
It's it's being with your men,like at the time it was all men
I know.
For me, you know, being notjust a soldier but a soldier in
a weapons company anti-tank guy,I think the beauty that I found

(02:07:31):
in that was what do they callit?
Chi or the kung fu.
Kung fu just doesn't meanhi-yah, karate, you know.
It means means the ability ofpracticing something so much
that you're really good at it.
I think that's what it means.
There's a beauty to evenpouring tea.

(02:07:53):
That's what the Japanesebelieve.
They'll practice pouring teauntil they're perfect at pouring
tea.
Or going on a podcast.
I've got to go on a podcast10,000 times to be really good
at it.
And for me, like I was good atwhat I did, I was good and I
liked it and I think that's oneof the things that I enjoyed

(02:08:18):
about my time in the military.
It was just that I was reallygood at this one specific thing.
And I look at stuff now, like Iam an okay computer programmer.
I don't think I'm a greatprogrammer.
I'm not an amazing programmer.
I'm good, but I wasn't great.

(02:08:40):
I'm a an amazing programmer.
I'm good, but I wasn't great.
I'm a pretty good YouTuber.
I'm not amazing at it.
I'm pretty good, but darn it.
I was a great weapons platoonsergeant.
I really was.
I was really good at that joband I liked it.
I told you the story offlinethat I had been with the love of

(02:09:03):
my life and I had volunteeredto do a mission.
And she said if you go outsidethe wire and do this mission,
you're not coming home to me.
And I had to choose between mytwo loves and I chose the Army.

And ever since then I've never really what
does the army make you choosethat same thing.

Oh, so when, when this particular mission happened
, I was, um, I was, I was what'scalled cure epic reaction force
.
So we were on this base andwe're just like lifting weights,
you know, eating steak.
Lifting weights, I was jacked,I was swole, Right, but I hated
it, Like I wanted to be back outon the road and some of that

(02:09:48):
was, I guess, my own.
I don't want to say mentalillness, but my own, um, my own
desire.
Cause there there is, uh, youknow, when you go from one
forward operating base, anotherforward operating base and you
didn't get killed that day,that's like a you lose today
better luck tomorrow, right, andI wanted to feel that again.

(02:10:10):
And at that time they werelooking for volunteers to do
these road missions, theseconvoys, and I volunteered and I
didn't have to volunteer.
You know, sometimes the Armytells you to do it and you got
to do it.
But at the time I was like I'mgoing to volunteer for this
particular mission.
I volunteered and I got theposition and I did it and I lost
her over it, but it was.

(02:10:33):
I don't know that.
How can you?

come to that conclusion Can?
We use your ICP 2024 to getthere Like how do I Because,
ryan, you have said this aboutyour girl for so many podcasts
that I've seen maybe three?

that.

I've seen you mentioned this, and so that's
why I asked you about it offlineand we said we were going to
maybe talk about it, but youbrought it up.
So why do you make thisassessment?
Are you using the tools thatyou use when you look at a
social media video to arrive atthe conclusion that you're?

arriving at.
Well, what was my conclusion?

That you lost her, that she gave you the
choice and you lost her, becauseI think I asked you offline
like have you ever evenFacebooked her, looked her up?

Once many, many years ago, and I don't want to
be that guy because, like, Idon't tend to look back at
things you know, like I can't, Ican't change that, I can't
change what happened.
And you know one good code andthis is for all the guys
watching this podcast If youever come to a fork in the road,
and one fork is the path ofbeing kind of creepy and the

(02:11:40):
other path is not being creepy,take the non-creepy path.
That's the better path to take.
So, yeah, you know I, I can't,I can't do anything about that,
so I just choose to walk thenon-creepy path.
Right?
I don't have a pretty good life, like you know I, I, uh, it's
what it's.
It's 10 45 where I life.
Like you know I, it's what it's1045 where I am right now.

(02:12:03):
And you know what I have to dotomorrow.
I mean, I have to do somevideos, but like I don't have to
get up at 5.30 am to work outand scarf down some breakfast
and get in the car and go towork, I have a pretty good life.
If I want, I can stay updrinking until two in the car
and go to work.
I have a pretty good life.
If I want, I can stay updrinking until two in the

(02:12:26):
morning.
I'll just do the rest of mywork tomorrow.
Not a big deal Right.
So I think that, even though Ididn't I didn't take the path of
choosing her, which would haveresulted in, you know, the house
with the white picket fence andthe kids running around and the
dog and the minivan I think I'mdoing okay because I have the
marathons and the $2,000triathlon bike and the the.

(02:12:49):
I'm going to go to Australia togive a conference on security.

I'm doing okay , have you ever walked on a path
where it diverges but then itcomes back to the same path?
I'm just saying because I justfeel like that it's in my heart,
like if there's part ofsomething in your heart that's
like I still want to know herwhat's going on.
I don't think there's anythingcreepy in just picking up a

(02:13:14):
phone or sending a text.

You know what's funny?

I'm laughing because many Just because I feel
like I, just just because Ikind of care about people and
their happiness.
That's why I feel like I haveto say that no, no, I don't,
it's funny.

Years ago I did.
I met someone and I never datedfemale soldiers, but I think
you know one of the I've.
I've never had trouble likemeeting people, like going to,
like I'm the kind of guy I canwalk into a bar and I can walk
out friends with everybody inthat bar.
And I did.

(02:13:49):
I visited Las Vegas and I metup with another podcast named
Jake Bro, and Jake is kind ofintroverted and I'm like not
introverted and I'm like not.
So you know, we, I, I, uh, Iwas in, I was in burbank,
california, and I realized, hey,you know, I'm southwest, 99
bucks, I can be in las vegas, Ican meet up with jake bro, this

(02:14:10):
other ukraine podcaster.
We can go out, have a couple ofdrinks, make some content, I
can write the whole trip off,right, and uh.
So I, I flew there and I tookthem out.
Oh, my god, we had a freakingblast, we had a great time and,
like I, I walked up to a bunchof girls that were there.
You know they're women my ageand they're in like a little
little circle.
I was like, hey, come on overand drink with me.

(02:14:31):
And jake, what's your name,what's your name?
And, and so, like the rest ofyou know, these girls were
talking to us the rest of thenight and I I think like kind of
my deal is that like I'm notlike looking to get you into bed
with me, I'm looking to havefun.
I'm very much like you in thatway.

I understand that.

Yeah, looking to have fun, right, like let's have
fun tonight.
So kind of one time it wasbefore one of my last
deployments.
I was at an NCO school.
I was at nco schools, at asergeant school and, um, I met
this, this woman and we, we hada great freaking night.
And then like yeah, I'm nevergonna see you again, right, and
our paths diverge, right, andthen I was in kuwait and I was

(02:15:11):
like walking to the burger kingon post and you know, I I get in
line and this I looked at thewoman's name tape.
I've seen that name before andyou know I get in line and this
I look at the woman's name tape.
I've seen that name before andyou know I said are you?
And this woman turns around.

She goes hey, New Jersey is the same girl, so
you're a hopeless romantic.
I was in.

Iraq and I was at.
Where was I?
I was at Spiker.
No it was Spiker Slayer.

Slayer.

It was the transient camp that goes in and
out of Iraq.
It was Slayer and I was waitingin line at the chow hall and I
looked at my watch and there wasthis thing going to open.
There's a woman in front of meand I look at the back of her
hat and I'm like I recognizethat thinking open.

There's a woman in front of me and I look
at the back of her hat.

I'm like I recognize that name tape Like
hey, new Jersey.
She didn't remember my name.
So, yes, our paths convergethree freaking times, which was
kind of weird.
I'm thinking like is shestalking me?
It's the weirdest stalk ever,right.

And that's it Nothing.
On that one, nothing happened.
That's that's it nothing.
On that one, nothing happened.
That's that's you know it's.
Well, I think this isinteresting content for your
youtube and substack audience.
I think you should maybe playthis up more, this, this angle
yourself.

Yeah, well, they're definitely gonna like this part
of the show because I'llpromote the.

I'll promote this you have all the rights to
it.

I love it all right you know I that's always kind
of.
My thing is that I like I am avery outgoing person and, like
you know, doing podcasts like orgoing on stage or talking I
love being like on, likeperforming.
It is exhausting.
Um, like to be on and, you know, in character, even though I'm

(02:17:01):
not in character in the sense ofI'm the guy in the bathroom
with the messed up hair.
I'm not playing that character,but the guy in the bathroom with
the messed up hair is still me.
It's just me.
Turned up to 11.

Right now I'm at about a 7 yeah, there's
intention behind it and thattakes a lot.
Yeah, can I?
Oh no, go ahead.

No, you don't know um, the uh, I guess.
Like it's kind of always beenmy thing, is that I.
So one of the things I realizedwhy I was successful in the
military is that I could run andeverybody liked me.
And I've always been that guythat like, for some reason like

(02:17:46):
people, just like me.
I don't know what the heck itis, but I don't know.
Like, that's always, that'salways been my thing.
I think it's actually one ofthe reasons I was a very poor
leader, you know, because I didlike your ship or everyone else
is practicing leadership, andthat only bit me a couple of
times when I encountered otherNCOs, other sergeants or even

(02:18:08):
sometimes other soldiers whodidn't like me.
I don't know how to handle this.
This guy doesn't like me.
How do I fix this?
I've never encountered thisbefore.
I didn't have any tools in mytoolkit, you know, to deal with
that well, you seem like you'reliked.

Now you don't have that problem.
Your fans love you you havesome.

Yeah, I think it's weird.

It is weird, you know, like I thought I asked
you, I asked you how, how, likebig you were.
And you said do you go to agrocery store and get noticed?
You said everywhere you go.
Yeah, I've had friends likethat when I lived in New York
who I would go out with them andthey were internet famous or
whatever and they would getrecognized and I thought it was

(02:18:52):
fun and cute.
But again, that's a lot ofenergy Just having to give that.

It is and I don't mind it.
like some people are like afraidand uh, I think when I I was, I
think I I had flown down to onepodcast a lot of times when you
know, as part of my riderbecause my agent has a rider if
I go and I appear on a podcast,I have to fly business class.
Um, I have to be picked up by acar at the airport.

(02:19:20):
It doesn't have to be a limo,it has to be a car.
So there's things that go in myrider and that's just the
agency policy, which, believe me, I'm not.
I fly Southwest, so ifsomeone's going to fly me
someplace business class, I'mgoing to take it.
So one time I was sitting in Ithink it was first class or

(02:19:42):
business class and this guy,like he walks on the plane, he
realizes it's me and he's likeare you ryan mcbeth?
I'm like, yeah.
He's like, oh, my god, I loveyour work, but he's trying to
get to his seat, right, becausewe're boarding the plane, and so
like, like the the ste, this isflight attendants.
I guess you call them nowflight attendants, like they're

(02:20:03):
probably used to famous peoplebeing in first class.
They didn't know who I was, butI'm not that famous that a
store.
You know that a flightattendant's gonna know me, right
, I'm not tom cruise, right?
So, uh, but when the plane likeleveled off to 10 000 feet.
I used to ask the stories canyou mind if I get a coin,
because I have these, thesechallenge coins?

(02:20:25):
Um, you look at my rack here.
You know a challenge coin is,uh, it's like an attaboy that
you give someone.
You know it's, it's.
It's less than a metal but morethan a pat on the back.

Right, ok, and you give these out to people or
people, yeah, I have RyanMcBeth challenge coins.
Ok.

And so when the plane kind of got 10,000 feet, I
asked when I go in the overheadand grab challenge coins for my
bag, because I travel withchallenge coins.
And I went to the back of theplane I found my fan.
I took his hand and I thankedhim and I gave him a challenge
point.
And you know one of my thingsthat maybe this is one of the
reasons that I'm liked so muchis that I've always believed

(02:21:05):
that people will always rememberhow you made them feel.

They won't remember.
You like yeah, well, it's agreat, great quote, but that's
good too.
Yes, they remember how much youcare, they care how much you
remember, whatever that is, yeah.

So when you you know if somebody ever meets me
ask me for a selfie, usually Ijust say do you want a selfie?
Because usually guys are liketoo embarrassed but like, so
like once I was at I was at thetheater, I think I saw the
barbie movie.
Like I left the theater, I sawoff and high, I did the barb and
eimer thing I saw off and eimerand barbie the same day and I
was coming out of Barbie.

(02:21:43):
I think I was coming out of thebathroom and a guy touched me
which is don't do that.
Yeah, that was kind of weird.
That's when you go for your gun.
The guy touched me and he waslike are you Ryan McGrath?
I'm like, yeah, well, he hadlike ran away from his family.
Like his family was, you know,like like 100 feet away at the
other side of the theater andthey're looking at him like what

(02:22:05):
are you doing?
You know, and he's talking tome.
I'm like you have to get backto your family.
He's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you want a selfie?
Yeah, yeah, because a lot oftimes they don't, they don't
know what to do.
Just ask for a selfie.
You'll probably say, yes, youknow, don't touch people.

That's kind of like, that's kind of weird I
think what's so interesting andimportant about you I don't want
to use the word interesting.
I think what's important aboutyou is that is that that?
you that I know right, I wasn'tgoing anywhere else that that
you can bring people together,that you let people in, that

(02:22:45):
they're let in too.
It's disarming again and we'reall up in arms literally right
around the world with our socialmedia positioning, positioning,
and I think that's.
I hope you are famous, I hopeyou are on the couch of, you
know, conan or whoever it is.
Now that's what he has apodcast, but, like, I hope

(02:23:08):
you're on his podcast yeah, hefinds you.
You're on his podcast.

You're going out already yeah, I'm supposed, I'm
uh.
That's close.
I'm supposed to go on some.
Uh, there's a podcast of, Ithink, this guy, like he goes on
, joe rogan and I can't rememberthe guy's name, which is kind
of sad, is it, david colette?
Uh ian I don't remember theguy's, the gentleman's name, but

(02:23:35):
I'm supposed to go on.
Uh, this famous comedian.

I think I think you're meant to be super
famous, like in the sense oflike.
I hope you are, because it'slike I feel like what you did
for me, right With my popularwar as a childhood thing, like
it's just.
It's, I think, the message thatneeds to be heard, and you're

(02:23:58):
also a lot of fun.
The last kind of question aboutrandom talk, random topics.
I really wanted to ask you.
I know you're not politicalReally, neither am I but you are
a patriot and you have militaryexperience.
How are you approaching what isyour?

thought process for how you're going to cast your
vote this coming presidentialelection.
Boy, that's a good question.

It's my last one so you better make it good.

Yeah, you know, I think I would probably vote for
the person that would besthandle our foreign policy.
Which presidential candidatewould make America stronger in
the eyes of our foreignadversaries?
Because domestic politics, it'snot the hokey pokey, it's not

(02:24:54):
what it's all about.
If you really want to affectchange at the local level, you
need to vote for your schoolboard, you need to vote for your
school board.
You need to vote for yourmayors, your local
representatives, for your stategovernment.
The president can't really domuch domestically.
He can sign executive ordersand things like that, but we

(02:25:16):
have a choice.
But we have a choice.
We can either be the kind ofAmerica that is the example of
what a democracy should be tothe rest of the world, or we can
be the kind of America that hasa foreign policy of Calvin Ball
, where the rules are made upand changed from play to play,

(02:25:41):
and I think the kind ofpresident who would display a
strong, consistent foreignpolicy would be the person that
I would tend to be moreinterested in voting for.

Follow-up question Can you define strong,
because there's been moves thatI think both potential
candidates we have in the pasthave made that have been good
and advantageous anddisadvantage disadvantage to our
country, yeah.

So when I think of strong, I think of Ronald Reagan
or Harry Truman, I think of, Ithink of no, I'm serious Like I.
Harry Truman said yes, dropthat nuclear bomb on Japan, drop
another one they didn'tsurrender.
That could be a lot of things.
There's one thing it was, andthat was strong.

Strong in the military sense is what you mean.

Yeah, strong in the sense of foreign policies.
I said that this could changein the sense of of foreign
policies and I said that like,uh, and this, this could change
in the next couple of months.
But one of our, one of ourproblems is, like I said, it's
calvin ball, where just ran.

All right, this is an army thing.

You ever read the cartoon calvin and hobbes?
I've like my brother did, yeah,so there was this cartoon called
Calvin and Hobbes.
It was about a child, I thinkan eight-year-old boy, and he
had this stuffed tiger namedHobbes, and when parents weren't
around, hobbes was an actualtiger and they would play games

(02:27:13):
together.
They'd build forts together.
One of the games they playedwas something called Calvin Ball
, and Calvin Ball was this sportwhere the rules are made up and
changed from play to play, sothe rules are constantly
changing.
Got it now under ronald reagan,like his rule was if you do
something stupid, we bomb thecrap out of you.

(02:27:34):
Now, that might not be the bestforeign policy, but it was
consistent.
You know, we, when Iran wasthreatening tankers in the
Arabian Gulf, we re-flaggedKuwaiti tankers to with an
American flag and we escortedthose tankers to the Gulf.
And you know, I think, when you, you know, just recently, we

(02:28:07):
the Eisenhower battle group, Ibelieve they left the Red Sea.
I don't know how much I shouldtalk about that, but we've
removed some of our yeah, weremoved some of our naval forces
from the Red Sea, the Gulf ofAdan, bab al-Mandab Strait,
which is what the Houthis arefiring missiles at freighters
going through those straits.

(02:28:27):
So the question is, did we winRight?
We farmed a lot of XP learninghow to shoot down Houthi
missiles that were attackingfreighters, and then it seems
like a lot of our naval forceshave left the Red Sea, they've
left the Gulf of Aquabung.
So does that mean the Houthiswon?

(02:28:48):
Does that mean that we don'tneed to escort ships transiting
that strait anymore, because somany of them are going around
the Horn of Africa, so we don'treally need them anymore.
Let's bring them back.
Conduct maintenance, rearmrefuel.
Now I can tell you that oneoption and it's the option that
we chose was all right we'regoing to shoot down missiles,

(02:29:09):
we're going to play defense,we're going to shoot down
missiles if the Houthis arefired.
Now what option would a RonaldReagan or Harry Truman have
chosen?
Ronald Reagan or Harry Trumanmight have said let's just sink
the entire Iranian Navy.
We're going to send a messageRight.
That might not be the bestpolicy.
And you know one of the thingsI mentioned before I don't know

(02:29:32):
if I mentioned this to you thatIran essentially has two
different militaries.
They have the IRGC, thereligious military, and they
have the Arkesh, which is theirnon-religious army.
I mean, they're still religious, but they're not fanatics like
the IRGC.
Is the Iranian RevolutionaryGuard Corps, irgc.
What would be sad about sinkingthe majority of the Iranian

(02:29:56):
Navy is that a lot of Iranianswould die, particularly ones who
aren't crazy about theirgovernment.
They just happen to serve inthe Iranian Navy.
That's not something I want.
I have a lot of Iranian fansand I love every single one of
them.
But that would send a message toIran that look, if you use your

(02:30:16):
proxies to attack internationalshipping, we're going to give
you kinetic consequences thatyou might not want to handle.
So that's kind of the positionof strength.
I'm not saying overthrow anygovernments.
I'm not saying start any newwars.
I'm saying you know what youwant to do.
This.
You tell your proxies to stop.
Or the next thing we target isyour refiners.

(02:30:38):
What would Ronald Reagan havedone?
Or what would Harry Truman havedone?
So if you kind of go with that,that's the position of strength
.
Right now.
I don't necessarily see that.
Right now we have Calvin Ballwhere the rules are kind of
being made up.
We support Israel, but justtoday, what I found out was that

(02:31:01):
we're not going to ship someweapons to Israel because we
don't want Israel to go intoRafa and finish the fight,
Because while they're finishingthe fight, a lot of civilians
are going to get killed A lot.
So that's kind of Calvin Ball.
What's our rules right now?
Are we supporting Israel?
Are we not supporting Israel?
Are we supporting them withconditions?

Who's?

making the decisions.

Is it really the commander-in-chief?

Well, President Biden is the commander-in-chief.

Is he really making all the decisions?

Yeah, I think so.
I mean I would not question hisdecisions.
He is the commander-in-chief,all the decisions.
Yeah, I think I mean I wouldnot question his decisions.
He is the commander in chiefand you know, even, as you know,
ryan McBeth, independentcontractor, if I get a
government contract, I'm goingto give him the best possible.
Just imagine me briefing thepresident.
Can I smoke in here, mrPresident, you know.

I It'd be a good video.
I think that's a new series youcan do.

Mr, you know I It'd be a good video.
I think that's a new series youcan do.
Mr President, you need somebetter liquor than this stuff.
Wow, turkey, this isn't bourbon.
Yeah, man, it's bourbon.
Man, drink it, it's good foryou.
Yes, mr President.
Yeah, he is getting informationfrom his advisors, from the
military and he is making thedecision, and that is the

(02:32:22):
decision that he's made andthat's.
You know, roger, mr President,now it's kind of the military's
job to kind of carry thosedecisions out.
So that's, yeah, I think he ismaking the decisions with input
from his advisors.

All right, thank you.
That's the most politics I'mgoing to go right now.
What else would you do you wantto share with my listeners,
your listeners, but our world?

Not our world.

Do you want?

to share.
It can be anything.

It can be about your grandma.

One thing I'd want to share.
It's that if you are looking tohave purpose in your life and
actually make a difference,consider the military as a
possibility.
The military kind of made mewhat I am today.
The reason I'm in this house isthat I have a VA loan and that
with the VA loan I was able toget a house for no money down.

(02:33:19):
The reason I have three degreesis that I got college through
the military and if you're kindof on the fence about serving
your country, take a look at it,give it a shot, even if it's
just the Coast Guard.
And you know, if you want to doyour job every day can't get
any better than the Coast Guard.
Every you know I spent 20 yearsas a heavy weapons anti-tank

(02:33:42):
infantryman.
Never fired a live round enemytank, not once.
I wasn't in the initial invasionof Iraq, so I never had a
chance to actually fire amissile at a tank.
But in the Coast Guard you doyour job every single day.
If you're good with computers,look at the Space Force.
If you're into logistics ormaybe if you want to fly, the

(02:34:03):
Air Force has a huge problemwith not having enough pilots,
and one of the reasons is thatwe cut a lot of planes because
we started to move a little moretoward drones, so the feeder
system of pilots into the AirForce kind of slowed down and
nowadays, heck, you join the AirForce, you become a pilot, do

(02:34:25):
that for eight years, get outand now you're working at
Southwest or at United andyou're making pilot money.
You can even stay in thereserves and still fly fighter
planes or transports if that'swhat you want.
If you want to have a lifetimebrotherhood, look at the Marine
Corps.
If you actually genuinely,honest to God, want to see the

(02:34:47):
world, like all those strangeplaces like hey, I want to go to
Taiwan, I want to go to thePhilippines, I want to see
exotic ports in Chile, join theNavy.
If you want to enjoy yourweekends, join the Air Force.
One thing I would leave yourlisteners with is consider the

(02:35:10):
military as an option,especially when it comes to kind
of advancing your life.

Beautiful.
I mean I am so glad you didthat you chose the military.
It helped inform you and shapewho you are.
So thank you for coming ontoday and for all the color that
you bring to our world.

Well, thank you very much, especially the color
orange, which is my favoritecolor, and cheers to you for
inviting me on Bonne demont.

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