An awesome AI world with Shawn Keen

let me know if this works, Shawn Keen, founder of AI for the Blind, a fast-growing global community that helps blind and low-vision people unlock the power of artificial intelligence. With more than 14,600 members across the U.S., UK, Canada, Australia, and beyond, the group is a daily hub of creativity, problem-solving, and connection. Shawn’s mission is simple but powerful: to show how AI can level the playing field, open new opportunities, and turn learning into earning for people everywhere.
From coaching and community support to music, podcasts, and accessible e-commerce, Shawn is building a nonprofit ecosystem that blends human connection with cutting-edge tools. Under the AI for the Blind banner, he’s helping students, entrepreneurs, and everyday users re-imagine what’s possible. Whether it’s sharing new tech, hosting live events, or guiding members through their first AI-powered projects, Shawn’s work is about building a future where no one is left behind.

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Welcome. We're welcome back, everybody to another exciting episode of
Aaron's Opinion the podcast for blind people where we speak
about critical issues in the blindness community and all other
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taken understandably because he's a very nice man and he

(05:39):
does a tremendous amount for blind people, and ultimately he's
doing a lot for everybody around the world. His name
Sean Keen. Basically, today we're going to talk about the
development of AI for the Blind, which is a massive
Facebook group. In fact, if you're in that group, you
will see the episode being posted there. So this is
going to be a lot of fun and this is
going to be a great conversation. We're going to talk

(06:02):
about Sean Keen's life, his early days, and how he
developed his love for artificial intelligence, and exactly the power
behind AI, which I find to be extremely, extremely compelling
and very interesting. If nothing else, and having nothing to
do with the AI part, Sean's just a really nice
guy to talk to. He was, you know, you know, understandably.

(06:23):
I think he was a little nervous, a little a
little shy at first, but once we once we got
him out of his shell, he was very keen. Pun
intended by the way, because he has a podcast and
he uses his last name in the title. He was
very keen to have a beautiful conversation, so let's go
talk to Sean Keen. So, of course, don't forget everybody
you're listening to the Aaron's Opinion podcast. My name's Aaron Richmond,

(06:45):
and of course we need a great title for today's
beautiful conversation with Sean Keen. Sit back and enjoy our episode.
So here we go with an awesome AI world with
Sean Keen. Welcome or welcome back, everybody to another exciting
episode of Aaron's Opinion, the podcast for blind people where
we speak about critical issues in the blindness community and

(07:07):
all other issues from across the universe and galaxy. Today
we're joined by someone who I've wanted to interview for
a very long time. He has done. He's someone by
the name of Sean Keen. He does a tremendous amount
for blind people, especially when it relates to the development
and study thereof artificial intelligence. The creator and founder of

(07:28):
AI for the Blind on Facebook, and I'm sure many
many other things. I'm going to meet my microphone, sit
back and listen to you for at least an hour
so you can walk through your whole life journey, talk
about everything you want me to know, and don't say
anything you don't want me to repeat. Who's Sean Keen.
And by the way, I want to actively learn from
you today about your whole philosophy about artificial intelligence and

(07:50):
how that influences blind people's society. So really get under
my skin today, Really give me the whole story about
AI for the blind and who you are as a person.
I'm going to sit back in lit to you go.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Okay, Well, my name is Sean Keene and I'm a
fifty one year old blind guy from foot Worth, Texas.
I like to say that you know I was born
with the vision loss. I was born with blindness. I
was born with gaucoma in nineteen seventy four August nineteen

(08:26):
seventy four, so I just turned fifty one. I'm now
I'm totally blind. But when I was born, I was
born with gaucoma, and so I had some usable vision
from birth till maybe about age twenty, and then I
think I lost it. All that I say I think

(08:47):
because I don't know vision. The vision loss part was
so gradual, and I was already used to like reading
Braille and using a cane and doing all that stuff,
so really wasn't that big of a deal. But the
vision loss is different for everybody, so I don't want
to minimize anybody's else's story. That's just my story. But

(09:09):
in saying all that, my favorite joke of all time
is once my ass if I've been blind all of
my life, and I can still say not yet, So
that's kind of me. I'm blind. I'm a tech guy.
I'm a tech nerd. I've been playing with technology since

(09:30):
I was probably ten years old, and I didn't realize
that at the time, but technology was going to play
a really important role in my life. I graduated from
high school and tried college, but college wouldn't for me.
I hated college. I wanted to go out and work
and make money, and so I tried to do that.
And I've been trying to do that most of my life.

(09:51):
And sometimes I do and sometimes I don't, and you know,
it's just kind of been an experience. But really, I
like to say, and not to sound like a wild
DJ or radio guy, but really I like to say.
My wife started in twenty twenty two, and in January
of twenty twenty two, I had a stroke, a frontal

(10:15):
right cortex stroke and for the lucky part was that
it mainly affected my balance and a little bit of
my speech. You'll notice sometimes I mispronounce a word or something,
or there's some hesitation, and those are side effects from
the stroke. But at the time I had the stroke,

(10:39):
I was working for the Texas Workforce Commission or Texas
Workforce what is it, Tx's Workforce Commission. Yeah, the blindness
rehabilitation program in Texas. And while I was doing that,
I was living life. Me and my wife. We were
having some challenges with medical and just a whole lot

(11:03):
of things were going on at the time. And all
of this to say that after a stroke and all that,
when I was going through rehab, my escape has always
been the computer, getting into technology and figuring out, learning
how things work and just playing around. And so AI

(11:25):
Artificial Intelligence Chat GBT came out in November of twenty
twenty two, and I don't even know. I don't even
think I knew what it was. In fact, I know
I didn't know what it was. I heard people talking
about this text chat thing that you could go in
and ask questions and have it trends like have it

(11:46):
right for you and things like that, and I tried
it out and I was like, ah, this is cool,
this is fun. I can do something with this. So
I spent about two years really being focused on learning
how to use AI, and I started with the text
version of AI, and then I moved on to making images.

(12:09):
And honestly, this AI for the Blind thing started in
it was July of twenty twenty three. All right, no
July of take that back, Let's go to April of
twenty twenty three. I started this podcast and the podcast

(12:29):
was called We Speak It. It was just something really
to do. And from the podcast, I started this group
that was July eleventh of twenty twenty four, this group
AI for the Blind, and they was just really a
place for me to post my silly AI stuff, the images,

(12:52):
the stories, that texts, the just all the fun stuff
I was doing with AI, all the stuff I was learning.
And then from that experience, people started joining, people started
being interested in what I was doing, and so I
was just writing and posting the things I enjoyed doing

(13:15):
learning about AI. And so from that came where I
guess where we're at now, which is a little over
fourteen thousand people in AI for the blind, and it's
grown into a community of people that want to learn
how to use AI and how to make cool things

(13:36):
like pictures and music and fun stuff. I mean, it's
incredibly inspiring to use AI to make an image or
make a.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Song, and.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's done wonders personally for my mental health and all.
And I know you said you were going to sit
back and listen, but I'll give you a chance to
ask some questions, because I really do better with questions.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
If you don't mind, Okay, all right, fine, well you're
asking for it, I'll ask you some Fine, you want questions,
I'll give you questions. So well, I'm a young guy.
I'm a young kid. I was born in ninety one
with glaucoma. I also have a congenital heart defect. All right,
My story, actually similarly to yours, is filled with health issues.

(14:23):
As you can tell by the way I talk. I
have a lot of health issues with my lungs and breathing,
and so sometimes if my voice sounds a little as
I like to tell people, if I sound if my
voice sounds a little gruff at times, it's not because
I'm angry. It's because there's something wrong with my lungs now,
which is why I breathe weird. And I know that
I breathe weird, by the way. Anyway, Yeah, I hated

(14:45):
college too, but I still graduated from it with a
degree in international relations. And I'm also a bilingual guy
English French by the way. And you know the funny
thing about all this, Sean, is I I have discovered
in my own in my own existence, that I have
taken the thing that there's two things that make me

(15:07):
happy in my life. One is my job as I'm
a online English teacher and I teach English as a
second language to foreigners online with several companies, and also podcasting.
I got into the podcast space in twenty twenty during
the pandemic because I wanted to create a space where
blind people and really anyone by the way it can
come to my microphone and have a great conversation. And

(15:29):
I've discovered that by doing the things that make me
happy in life, like helping you to create a podcast
or you know, having these conversations. You know when I
do that, I'm happier. And it's so beneficial to blind people.
And I find that blind people really need this stuff,
whether it's AI or podcasting or both. I'm very truly
touched by your group. I mean fourteen as you say,

(15:50):
fourteen k fourteen thousand people. That's really really special. So
tell me this. I have several questions, one of which
is what is it about AI that is so appealing
to so many blind people? For one? For another, when
blind people come to your Facebook group, surely you have
many many moderators who ask questions, and you obviously moderate

(16:12):
your group just like I do with mine. But what
are some of the primary reasons why blind people are
joining your group and exactly what are their true motivations?
And then the third thing that you can dig into
a little bit more and further is so what else
is going on with your podcast these days? For one?
And how do you really think AI can be used

(16:35):
appropriately and professionally in the podcast and creation space, Because
here's what's really going on, Sean, there's a lot of
debate about whether AI is truly helping us or simply
befuddling and confusing and manipulating our society. So there, I
know that was a lot. But if you can walk
through that, and if you need me to repeat the questions,
but go go from there and sort of walk through

(16:56):
all those things if you want.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Okay, no, I can do this definitely, and and you
sound fine. I wouldn't have known any of that if
you hadn't told me. So why do people Why do
I enjoy AI? I think mainly it's because it's text based,
and it's something that anyone can do from any skill level.

(17:19):
So you don't have to be a computer science you
don't have to be a computer science degree professional. You
don't have to be an IT person. You could be anybody.
You could load up to be my eyes app and
start communicating with AI and your own style, your own cadence,

(17:40):
your own your own conversation style. So that's one reason
that anyone can use it. But the other reason is,
like I said, it's text, so I can use text
to create an image or a story, or a song
or a video. And I think in the future, well

(18:01):
I don't think I know in the near future that
blind people are going to be editing videos with tech
and creating all kinds of things. The sky's the limit.
But in in all of my joy that comes from
AI and all of the fun that I have with

(18:23):
it in my group, and and everything I do with
artificial intelligence. I'll say that it's not perfect, and I
shouldn't have to say this next part, but don't believe
everything a computer tells you. That's I mean, it should
go without saying, but I have to repeat that quite

(18:44):
a bit. It's only as good as the I don't
want to say the user, because it's Having AI around
is like having a brilliant three year old that gets
distracted easily. So it's very powerful, it's very cool. There's

(19:05):
a lot you can do with it, but it's also
a tool. It's also a tool that you should learn
how to use effectively. I guess I would say there's
an incredible amount of productivity and creativity that can come
from this, but like anything, you really need to understand

(19:28):
the parameters behind it and what you're doing. And really
what you're doing is you're learning to use a tool
that's a predictive tool. All of this AI stuff is
just statistics. There's no like alien life force in there
that's doing all this stuff. It's just all predictive. I

(19:50):
know that sounds incredible that most people don't believe that,
but it is the best example I can give is
that AI essentially is a pattern generator. It looks for
patterns in text and in communication and language and all.
And one of the most simple examples of that is

(20:12):
a thing we've all heard. It's this nursery rhyme Mary
had a little, And if you type mary had a
little into any AI model, it will finish that phrase
off with little lamb or fleecess white as snow. And
if you change little to mary had a big, then

(20:36):
you get something totally different. So try that out and
you'll start to understand that AI is really just this
really advanced statistics machine that a lot of us have
learned how to use to do other things with. I
use it for my writing because my writing is actually

(20:57):
pretty good. Before my stroke, it was a lot better
I was. I could type like ninety words a minute,
and now I still type pretty fast, and I've gotten
better in the last couple of years. But one thing
I do when I type is double letters. My dexterity
in my left hand is better, but still not where

(21:19):
it was before. And so all of my posts, all
my emails, all the emails I sent you erin or
AI generated. And when I say that I write everything out,
I write everything myself, But then I have these prompts
that I've created using AI, that I run my text

(21:39):
through the AI and it fixes my typing mistakes, kind
of like an advanced spell check and advanced auto correct,
you might call it. And I've worked with the prompts
that I've created to make that better, to make it
look like how Sean came rights, not how AI rights,

(22:01):
not how chat GBT rights, but how I write. And
so in doing that, I've learned to not just create
content for my group, but create content for my speaking
the presentations I do, the webinars, and I'm just all

(22:22):
the fun stuff I do because that's why I do this.
I enjoy teaching people what you can do with this
AI stuff. And that's kind of where my group has
taken off from. People join AI for the Blind to
learn how to use AI. We got some really amazing

(22:42):
people in this fourteen thousand people a group, member of group.
Sorry that came out wrong, but there's fourteen thousand creative
souls in this AI for the Blind group group. And
we got people building websites. My favorite story is this
guy Cody. I can't think of his last name, but

(23:05):
accessible Trader dot com I believe is his website and
he has used AI and chat and different AI models
to build a a trader money like a financial trader
education site, like you can go there and learn about

(23:27):
crypto and all kinds of stuff, and it's really well done.
It's really well done. But Cody is an example of
somebody that he's not a programmer, he's not a developer,
he's not anything like that. He's just devoted to using
AI to help people learn how to how to invest

(23:48):
in how to get into the financial sector a little bit.
And it's really that's really cool. I got a blind
farmer in my group. His name is Jason Barber. He's
he's in Tennessee and he's a blind farmer and he
uses AI to help him run his one hundred acre
cattle farm. That's pretty wild. But I meet all kinds

(24:14):
of people that do all kinds of amazing things. And
that's what I say is I mean people think I'm
this wizard. I'm not. I'm just this computer nerd that
enjoys playing with computers and learning things. And what I'd
like to hear is what other people are doing with AI,
like how they're creating stuff with it, how they're perfecting things.

(24:36):
So hopefully that answered your questions that if not.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Try again, it certainly answered my questions. You answer my
questions with perfection. Yeah, that's really fun. That's really really
beautiful that you were two people in your group were
able to create Cody. I've heard the I don't want
to name drop it not and I'm sure and he's great.

(25:03):
I do vaguely remember that post. And the other person
in the group, I mean, I've never seen it. But
that's also very very intriguing. On so, I guess my
other next questions. So, you know, podcasters us in the
podcast space, which most of my compelling interests, like you

(25:23):
have fun with AI? Me as a podcaster, I'm thinking about, Okay,
what's this episode about, what's my next guest? Who's the
next person I need to contact? You know, it's kind
of like that, it's kind of next game, next up,
you know. And we think in the podcast space, we
think that AI can be used. So how can AI
help a podcaster? How do you think podcasters need to

(25:44):
be using AI? And so I'm sure that it's possible
to build a podcast website using AI? Talk about that?
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh? Yeah, definitely, And that was that was the one
question here as I hadn't got to do. But so
my website for my podcast is blindhq dot com and
that's really become the Sean Keene kind of calling card website.
It's cool to have a website because you can get

(26:14):
some business cards made with website on it, and that's
what it is. It's a way for people to learn
about you and what you're doing. And my podcast my
second podcast I've created, like a lot of them. I
started with AI for the Blind and built it up
to about twenty thousand listens and then I started over,

(26:38):
not because it wasn't doing well, it was just I
felt like I'd kind of hit a brick wall, like
I was just kind of going in circles. So I
needed a new podcast to kind of start over. So
if you go to blindhq dot com, you'll find Feeling
a Bit Keen, which is my newest podcast and just
my place to kind of talk about Sean Keen, what

(27:02):
I do and what I enjoy doing and and give
me a place to to to not just talk about
AI or technology, but anything anything going on in my life.
And so how can you use how can podcasters use AI?
I think and This is opinion here, but I think
it's like a hybrid approach. And that's kind of what

(27:25):
I do with all of my podcasting stuff. Is I,
like I said, I can talk pretty good. I can
communicate pretty well, but there are times when I don't
want to talk. I don't want to be the voice,
so I use AI voices. I have this AI voice

(27:46):
Chris from eleven Labs that my my wife loves. She
said his voice is great. So I use that voice
a lot in my my speaking. I I call it
my AI virtual voice. And and so I'll go to
the eleven Labs website, and eleven Labs is not the
only place you could do that. In fact, recently, I've

(28:09):
learned about this website called chatterbox tts dot com and
I first heard about it on this other podcast called
Double Dat and they were talking about this last week.
And I haven't tried it yet, but it's really good
for cloning your own voice, which is something I've been

(28:31):
trying to do more effectively. But how I use podcasting
with AI is with the AI voices and kind of
a hybrid approach of having people like real people mixed
in with AI and using AI voices maybe an interview process.

(28:54):
Stay tuned, you'll hear something about that in the next
couple of weeks. I'm feeling a bit keen. I did
an interview recently with the makers of the Braille doodle,
which is a fun creative tool. It's not electronic, it's
not AI, it's not technical at all. It's a mechanical

(29:17):
device for drawing tactically. And so I interviewed them a
couple of weeks ago, and I've been procrastinating on producing
that episode that I need to get down and do it.
And that's kind of the other thing about my podcast
is I think that I think a lot of times
people don't. You know, this is a different audience, this

(29:42):
is a different era. You might say, this is the
TikTok era. This is when people want short form content.
And so I try to do thirty minutes or less.
You know, a lot of times it's ten minutes or less.
But I think there are a lot of ways podcasters
could use AI for creating content, for creating episodes, not

(30:09):
just using like a I like the way I do,
but using AI to help you come up with ideas
to uh generate posts for marketing all of the stuff
that a lot of people do, and there's probably some
other creative ways. Literally, what I do is I make
my all, my all, my episode music, all of my

(30:32):
It's called bed music, and what it is is it's
music that goes under the speaker. That's called a bed
if you didn't know that. And so I make my
music that I use that plays underneath when I'm talking
or one of my AI voices is talking in the
episodes and stuff. That's a good use sound effects. You

(30:55):
can make AI generated sound effects. So there's really a
lot of ways out there. Adobe. Adobe has some AI
podcasting tools that are quite useful for filters for taking
out background sounds and stuff. Riverside. You can do a

(31:21):
lot of transcription. I did this thing here. Here's a
here's a fun little productivity AI trick for you, and
and you can do this with just zoom.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Now.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
When I started doing this, I was using this website
called read dot ai and read dot ai as a
tool that you can basically sign up for and it
adds a AI bought to all of your meetings, all
of your virtual meetings, and it will transcribe for you.
And it's really cool and you can do the same

(31:54):
thing with Zoom. Now Zoom will transcribe for you. But
literally what I used to do is I would I'd
be like, okay, I want to I want to have
a journal. So I would start a Zoom meeting and
join from my phone. And at the time, I was
living in a house and we had a pool, and
so I'd go out there and float around my pool
and talk to my phone for an hour, and then

(32:14):
I'd have a generated transcript of my text. Now I
can take that text and go do something else with it,
go brainstorm some ideas or something. So hopefully that answered
your question.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Absolutely absolutely it did. Yes, of course, I mean in
my case, yeah, you're very right, you know, so I
use I use a company called Spreaker, of course, which
is the hosting platform for Aaron's Opinion. So I guess
what I'm wondering is I guess, you know, if I
were to create or I'm sure there's a way, but

(32:51):
one of the things I've always wanted is a website
for Aaron's Opinion, but a website that includes all of
my various links and groups and business cards and all
those things. And if I have a website, I would
want it to be put together in a obviously ethical way,
in in a in a professional way. So when you're
using this AI, sean, how can you tell and I

(33:14):
know that you're doing it ethically, but how can you
tell when you're creating with AI that you're still maintaining
you know, social ethics and things like that, and.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
And that's just it as okay. So let me give
you an example. My website blind hq dot com I've
built entirely with AI. In fact, anytime I want to
make any changes to my website, it's it's saved in
a folder in my drop box. And all I literally

(33:47):
do is is I go to chagbt and I load
all of those files into CHATGBT and then say I
want to create a new page for my website. And
and there's some some prompting that goes on there. There's
some some things that you have to kind of get
in the weeds about, you know, get into the the

(34:10):
details on I guess you would say, but I will.
I will generate all of the code, all of the links,
and all of the text and everything using AI. And
then when I'm done, I save everything and I email
my buddy Leo, who is in the the the United

(34:32):
What is it United Emirates? I believe you a I
should have said that. So I'll email Leo and say
can you update my website? And he'll get on and
just upload the files, you know, and put them up
on the server for me. And and he's a developer
and and he can he can fix some things if

(34:53):
there's any problems, there's any coding errors or things that.
Like I said, AI is not perfect. It will get
things wrong. It'll make mistakes like like we will. And
so a lot of times I will if there's something
I don't know how to do, I ask AI. It
used to be I go to Google when I don't

(35:15):
know how to do something. Now I go to chat
GBT and and I treat it like, uh like almost
like another human, you know. I go there and I
ask my question about podcasting or anything. Here. Here's a
quick trick if you if you want to learn how

(35:35):
to do something with AI, just go ask it. Oh
that sounds pretty simple, but really I used to get
on chat GBT and say say things like this. I
would say, I know that writers have methods for creating content.

(35:57):
For writing, list ten of those methods that writers use
for creating content, and then I would take whatever it
came back with. And and and one of the one
of the things that always list is the the storytelling
method and the heroes Quest method and things like that,

(36:22):
And start asking questions about those and you'll learn how
to manipulate, how to utilize those different methods in your process.
Then you might go back and tell the AI, create
me a story about Blank in the storytelling method or
in the heroes Quest method. You know, you use all

(36:46):
of what you learn. It's not perfect, and don't expect
it to be perfect. You're gonna have to edit things,
You're gonna have to fix things. You might have to
bring in a contractor you might have to bring in
somebody else you And maybe that's where the ethical side
comes into. It is you're not just using the computer

(37:06):
to fix all your to solve all your problems. You're
using your own knowledge. You're using your own skills to
to to build something, to create something. You might have
to use some human ingenuity, but you know you're you're
you're creating. You're you're taking something and building it out

(37:29):
and using a methodology as as it were, you know,
maybe to to create this content. And and and lost
my train, but go ahead, go help me out here.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Of course, absolutely, got it, got it, got it. That's
really fun, that's really really, really fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, so
I guess, I guess, I guess you could easily create
a podcast website. You know, if you wanted to, you
could create something, uh, you know, for for for Aaron's opinion,
just by the way, just being hypothetical obviously, but I
know it's possible. You know. One of the things that

(38:07):
that I think is is very easy to do, that
could probably be done, is create some sort of website
where each time my r SS updates, you know, people
get notified, you know, because sure, as a podcaster you
have subscribers, but people come and go. You know, if
there was some way, and I know there is, to
have a website where my r s S would send
a signal or send some sort of code out to

(38:30):
people when when it's when there's a new episode. That
would be kind of cool too, you know the the
other Oh sure, sure, go ahead, Yes.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I was just gonna answer your your r s F.
R SS feed basically does that anytime you upload an episode,
that's what the r SS feed does.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Is it good?

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Yeah? It propagates that, you know, it propagates that out there.
But but yeah, you could, I mean all this stuff.
You could. You could build a website. You could do
all this and and and your first stop should be
a chat GBT to ask how to do it?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
And if you need some help, call me absolutely absolutely.
What about what has been your perception the way that
certain things are marketed? And what I mean by this is, look, Sean,
we have ways of sending you know, text messages, you know,
marketing texts. You know, when you send my as you

(39:24):
can tell I'm not an IT person because I don't
have the vocab for it. You know, when you receive
a text from a company and it says, you know,
text this word to stay notified about all future updates
and that type of thing. The terminology is escaping my mind.
But how how could that work for podcasts? And have
you ever set something like that up? Because because text uh,
text message marketing, when done appropriately is very interesting and

(39:48):
can also be a very compelling thing too. Yeah, what
do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yeah? And That's something I've been interested in and a
lot of it comes down to is finding the providers,
finding the the companies that do that and and finding
an accessible way to do it. That's that's really our
challenge is that we're blind, that we have to figure
out ways of doing this with other means, you know,

(40:16):
using ERA or be my eyes or or finding ways
of doing this stuff getting past the visual problems that
we all have. And that's the challenge is. And that's
what kind of what I'm doing, is using AI to
help me to learn how to market myself, how to

(40:37):
promote myself, because I didn't know any of this stuff
when I started. I didn't have a I didn't even
know what I was doing. I was just like, I
want to do something, I want to create something, but
there's a there's a hill to climb. And so that's
kind of what I did, is I use the AI

(40:57):
to help me to learn how to market myself. And
in fact, I just posted something this morning in my
for the blind group all about social media and and
and the metrics and how all that stuff works and
and and that stuff you can learn from AI is
how you know, like how the algorithms work, and how

(41:20):
that helps you to market yourself better.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Absolutely well. I mean the the algorithm. The algorithm works
because it's based on behavior that's predictable. It's all about
predictability and behavior, you know, that's why it works. It is,
and and to some extent I think that's a very
I think that's a wonderful thing. I think that's a
very very good thing, you know, in a lot of ways.
In other ways, I would just say philosophically that if

(41:47):
you're basing a algorithm on on behavior, that's predictable. But
obviously the limitation there is that people are not predictable.
I mean, in some ways we are with social media.
In some ways we are very predictable, But in every
other way, we're not predictable at all. Are you know?

Speaker 4 (42:04):
We are.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
We are. We are predictable except for when we're not,
you know, except for when when we when we change
our mind or decide to not watch a certain video.
You know, if you want to really learn what an
algorithm is, just spend time on YouTube. You know, YouTube
is the definition of algorithm. You know how some some
channels move up very quickly, and other channels don't, you know,

(42:26):
and then there's an enormously high number of channels that
lose that, you know, lose interest because they don't get
the click, they don't get you know, they don't get
the views. And that's very saddening because if only they
had been on for a few more years and developed,
you know, if YouTube had figured out what their audience is,
then they would have been able to move forward much
more quickly. You know. But yeah, that's that's a very

(42:47):
very interesting thing. So what are some other marketing things
that you've done with AI too? As you say, it's
a way to market ourselves. So what else have you
done with that when it relates to marketing?

Speaker 4 (42:58):
You know, and learn because a lot of this stuff
When I say stuff, I mean like Facebook or podcasting
or any of the metrics. The metrics are important. Your
stats are really important. And so here I'll give you
the example. I download my Facebook stats nearly, not every day,

(43:22):
about three or four times a week, and I'll download
I'll go to my group and download all of the
growth and the growth and engagement. I'll download those Facebook stats.
Then I'll upload them to chat GBT and start having
some conversations about learning about how many new members I

(43:43):
got and how many what what the what the posting
metrics are like in my group. So here's a here's
a wild stat and I'm not too moan, and I'm
really quite shocked by this, but monthly in my Facebook

(44:06):
group there's something like one hundred and forty thousand views
that and that's people that view the various posts or comments,
and and you can learn from that. You can learn
how to better, you know, take those take those topics,

(44:26):
take those posts that that go out of that group,
and and learn how to do it better, learn how
to get better engagement, because you know, we are we
are predictable in a sense that we're on social media
and we're looking for things, we're looking to learn, things
we're looking to and and people learn in all kinds

(44:47):
of different ways. People learn from from either reading a
book or reading a learning a skill from a tutorial
or something, or or if people learn from humor. People
learn from being entertained. People learn from stories. I learned
from stories a lot of times. And so have you

(45:09):
ever heard these this book series called historical fiction?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
It's I mean, I've not necessarily heard of it. I
know what historical fiction is or could mean, but I haven't.
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Okay, okay, So John William john Stone is an author
and it's the Western books that are they're they're all
very fictional, they're all very storyline ish, but the facts
are true, Like the actual facts of the historical events
are true, you know what you know, they just build
a fictional storyline around it. And so what I've what

(45:46):
I try to do is I take it to the
same level. Is my AI music. I didn't mentioned this
too much, but I have a have a have an
AI band called Velvet Circuit, and you can find that
on any streaming service. And so one of the things
I do with my music is that I build education

(46:11):
into it. So I have this song from Christmas I
put out last Christmas called Painting with Pixels, and it's
a Christmas song and in the song, it's it's a
song about a lady that's lonely on Christmas Eve, and
so she's learning how to make AI images. And there's

(46:34):
actually an AI image prompt in the song that if
you go type it into an AI image generator, it'll
generate that image from the song. So you learn things
from the music, you learn things from stories.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, it's wonderful, cool and I've quite a bit with that.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Good Is your music on Spotify?

Speaker 4 (46:56):
It is? It's on Spotify, Apple music. Look up velvet circuit. Uh,
painting with pixels. That's one song?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
How many? How many songs do you have on you know,
on Spotify?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Fifty or sixty?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh? Okay, can you just simply say there's a specific
method to my madness? Can you send me your Spotify link?

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
I will definitely because because if I can take all
those songs. So I've curated over the years, I've curated
a playlist on Spotify where each time I interview somebody
who has their music if they're blind or have a
disability or cited whoever they are. We had Aaron's opinion,
we have a playlist for that, and we have hundreds
of songs that are created by blind creators. So this
would be a great playlist for you to be on.

(47:36):
And then I'll give you the playlist and then you
can share it in your group if you want, of course,
of course, and then all these other blind musicians from
all over the world will get more more of a download.
So that's Spotify. Playlists are really fun when you build
them up the right way. Playlists are getting really really
powerful for sure. Yeah, definitely, yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
It is very Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
So do you think you have any any natural Yes,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Oh now, I was just gonna say that that those
those that's that's getting your your that's promotion.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
That's promotion.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
People don't think that, but it is playlists or promotion.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
It's ridiculously promotional. There's nothing more exciting. And there's no
greater honor as a musician to be added to someone
else's playlist. And people don't understand that. All these musicians,
what they want to do is be added to bigger
and bigger and more prestigious playlists. So if you can
be on a playlist like mine, go for it, because
you know, you never know where the songs will land.
You know, it's it's it's all all within the Spotify algorithm.

(48:39):
But Spotify has really taken off as far as quality
of music and and and playlists and different different tools,
and Spotify is really cool now. Yeah, Spotify is incredible.
So I was going to ask you, though, do you
think you have like natural musical ability? Do you ever
sing or write any of your like natural music? Just

(48:59):
you I have?

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yeah, yes and no, yes and no. So I'm not
a musician per se. I did play drums in high school.
I was a jazz band and things like that. And
I understand music. I know what. I understand music theory
and and I understand how to write, how to make music,
you know, like the the the dynamics, the the details

(49:29):
behind it. So and that's helpful, I think, to understand
how to make music. But to make AI music, you
don't have to be a musician at all. In fact,
it's almost you're a musician that I was here with
the people when I say that, But it's true because
you're not When you're making AI music, you're not making

(49:53):
a score. You're not you're not making a song in
the key of C, and it's not going to have
measure and all this. It's going to be more of
like I want to make a country song about apples.
It's that symbol. But you can also take your lyrics,
which I do have a lot of lyrics to my songs,
and you can go to an AI generator and take

(50:16):
your lyrics and then give it a style, any style
you want, and and create your music in that way.
And I have this one of my ideas is that
that some some band, I don't care if they're famous
or not, they might be after this. Some band will
take one of my songs and go make it famous,

(50:37):
and I don't want any money for it. You can
have my music for free, you can go you can
go play it professionally for free. And I just want
to be your friend because I figure if a bunch
of bands go make my music popular and they're all
my friends, my life will be pretty good.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Well, we'll guess, we'll guess what I gotta do. You
get let me let me tell you the about something
I have a bridge to sell. You. See, I don't
think so. I think if you give if you give
your music out for free to other bands and then
they and then they sing it, I think I think
they'll forget. Eventually, they'll forget who gave it to them,
and it will eventually be there for sure for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

(51:18):
that's that's very all, very very intriguing. Yeah, how many
countries If you have thousands of people in this AI
group on Facebook, so how many countries are visiting your group?
You know, what's your international audience? Like?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
So the number one of course in the United States
and Canada and England, Australia top countries of course, but
we reach seventy countries and is in there there's a
lot of I mean, we're all over the world, and
that's something that is a learning experience sometimes is it's

(51:56):
not everything about these states. I mean it's about everywhere
else too. It's other people's experiences and life experiences in there.
So yeah, we're worldwide, We're we're growing, We're always growing.
That's that's what I'm doing here. I'm promoting aof for
the blind.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
And that's what I'm doing here. I support, I completely
support your message. You're at Aaron's opinion. That's so good.
We're starting to come towards the end of the conversation.
Were about another twelve minutes. Surely you know we both
have stuff to do, obviously, but I want but I
wanted to give you a great opportunity now that I
always like to give guests. And I'm sure you're going

(52:35):
to be able to really get under my skin. But
you know, what are some questions you really have about
this Aaron Richmond guy in Aaron's opinion, what do you
really want to know about me? And and trust me,
I really want you to make me sweat and what
you know? Really really ask some hard questions for me,
really deliver some questions. What do you really want to
know about Aaron's Opinion in Aaron Richmond, what is something?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
And this is kind of what I've learned about myself
is is like I didn't think I was a creative
person at all. I had to learn that and I
had to I think this whole stroke thing made me smarter,
because I speak pretty sharp. But a lot of the

(53:22):
things I've done have been since having a stroke, which
is not common.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Though.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
What what excites you? What? What? What? What drives you?
What really makes you want to get up every day?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
What what really drives me is knowing that I'm helping
other people, as we say here at Aaron's Opinion, help
one person today, help one million people tomorrow. It's the concept,
It's the spirituality of it, the concept of knowing that
I'm doing the right thing, the fact that you came
to me, the fact that you you have a much
bigger community than mine and Aaron's Opinion, and thank you

(53:58):
for joining my community. And we'll talk off air in
a minute about other communities, and we'll connect a messenger
about it. But certainly, you know, what really inspires me
is that I'm starting to notice that other people are
starting to notice what we do at Aaron's opinion is
that it is working slowly, but surely we're working, and
that that's evidence to me that other blind people, like

(54:21):
you've discovered, other blind people need this information. Other blind
people want to reciprocate and participate in this information. So
that's what inspires me. And with every episode I put
out or put together, I feel better each time I
do it. It's almost like medicine for me. You say
that AI is like a tool, Well, I think I
think podcasting is also a tool, you know, to be

(54:43):
able to help people feel better. So that's why I
do it, because I know that I'm doing the right
thing in my own community, wherever that might be. Certainly
we can talk privately in the future, but in my community,
I'm also at my Lion's Club, So I do. I
really understand as you do, the value, the spiritual value
of giving back to other people and what that really
means and how to do it well. And that's what

(55:06):
I do as a person. I just help other people
just like you. That's why.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
That's awesome. And I think that I think we need
more that we get stuck in this feeling that you
know that we're used to the same old quote blind
people the same old blind experiences, and no, that's not true.
Like we're not the norm like the techie people. And

(55:31):
even if you're not a techi person, we're not the norm.
There's people that are blind that are just losing their vision,
that are trying to figure out how to get off
the couch.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's really hard for them, you know. And I just
I was born blind, and I have consistently struggled enormously
to communicate. And I say this with humility, I recognize
that I struggled to communicate with blind people who are
recently blind as older adult. It's a completely different psyche.
And that's very very hard for me to figure out

(56:03):
ways of expressing things in some ways, you know. So
that's that's that really affects I mean, that really affects them.
And I've seen groups that are like that, and they're old,
and you know, it's very sad. They work for many
years as a sighted person and then they have to
transition to being a blind person. I mean, I mean,
I mean blindness. Blindness never defines us, and blindness is

(56:26):
not disabling. But in another philosophical sense, if you're used
to being cited for most of your life and then
you have to learn to be a blind person that
in a philosophical way is in a sense truly an
obstacle for them, you know, so that that I have
a lot of interest in. Yeah, that's totally different. Yeah,

(56:48):
absolutely so. You know before and by the way, I
had known of a Sean Keene for a while, actually years,
and I was just purely curious, like, have you listened
to any of my other content? Have you know, have
you ever known of Aaron's Have you known of an
Aaron's opinion? Before you know, we got onto the emails
and started talking.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
No, I hadn't. And that's because you know, we're a
lot bigger world than people think. You know, absolutely we
lose track sometimes being online is realizing how big this
world is. And I think sometimes you know, as podcasters,
and sometimes we get stuck in that that thing of thinking,

(57:28):
oh there's you know, if if Seawan does this or
if Aaron does this, there's not enough room for me.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
There's always more. I wish there, you know what. I
wish there was more competition because we need more podcasters
in the in the healthy marketplace. I wish there were more.
I wish there were more. That's why it's hard. I
wish there were more more podcasters, but but unfortunately what
tends to happen is they just listen to the shows

(57:55):
they like and forget that they can have an influence too.
And that's a really subtle thing. Sure, anybody can get
into podcasting. Goodness knows, there's no uh, there's there's no
barrier to enter. All you have to do is just
record your voice and you're good. You know, there's there's
nobody's checking up on you. You know, nobody, you know.
That's that's why podcasting is powerful, because it helps people

(58:15):
without a barrier to entry. And you know, when I
was growing up, there was a lot of barriers to entry.
And you know, that's another philosophical thing that really really
gets in people's way, our barriers to entry. But anyway,
all of that is wonderful, Sean. I will certainly be
as you will be. I will be promoting what you're
doing to my global audience at Aaron's opinion, and you

(58:37):
are forever welcome to tell people when when appropriate. You're
forever welcome to share what I do with your your
community as well. But so if people want to get
in touch with Sean Keen. How can you be reached?

Speaker 4 (58:49):
The best way is just to go to blind hq
dot com and that links to everywhere, links to AI
for the Blind, that links to everything I do. I
got a music tutorial in there. There's just a lot
of fun things. And if you want to reach out
to me, feel free. My email address is on there,

(59:10):
my calendan is on there, feel free to dischedule employment.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I love you wonderful, absolutely wonderful. Well, we will certainly
be promoting that link and all of that, so that's
I could not have asked for better. All right, Sean, Well,
thank you so much for joining us, and of course
you are forever welcome in Aaron's opinion. We'll of course
talk a little later today off air, but of course
until then, thank you so much, Sean Keen, AI for

(59:36):
the Blind, keep creating, and just thank you for contributing
and creating such a wonderful conversation with me today. So
of course, until next time, everybody be well, keep creating
wonderful AI stuff and podcasts and everything else, and until
next time, everybody be well, and of course, help one
person today, help one million people tomorrow. You've been listening
to an awesome AI world with Sean Keen right here

(59:59):
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where we speak about critical issues in the blindness community
and all other issues from across the universe and galaxy. Shaan,
you did a great job. We'll get to you in
a moment. To make your life easier, you could just
ask for my electronic business card. That would be a
great way to get in touch or to make your
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thank Sean for many things. First and first and foremost,
thanks for having a great conversation. You know, you're definitely shot,
but when we talk to you a little bit, you're
definitely keen. So I don't know why your name isn't
shy Keen. Sean shy Keen. You know that that would
actually be kind of good, you know that kind that
kind of fits you because you're kind of you're kind
of Sean, You're kind of shy, and you're definitely keen.

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But no, you did a great job, absolutely, and you
were very I really appreciate. The thing that really stands
out is I appreciate you for being so understanding of
my ignorance to artificial intelligence. I am a relatively clueless person,
and anybody who listens to this podcast religiously knows that
I am the epitome of technophobe. So if there's anybody

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who doesn't know something about AI, it's probably me. And
if there's anybody who knows everything that you didn't want
to know about AI, it's probably Sean Keen. So there
you go. I think it really balances it. I think
we balance it. I think my ignorance to AI and
Shawn's knowledge and obsession and love and fascination for it.
I think those two I think those two things factor

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each other out. So now I think we're all good
with the AI. Now I think we know exactly what
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it without you. And remember that the work that you're
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