Loving a life of travel & adventure with Linsay Lusyne

Hi Aaron,

Thanks so much for having me on your podcast — I’m really looking forward to our conversation! I thought I’d send over a quick intro so you have a bit of background before we chat.
I’m Linsay Lusyne, a travel advisor and guide dog mobility instructor with a deep passion for accessible, inclusive travel. Through my work, I support blind and low vision travelers in exploring the world with confidence — whether that’s independently or through curated group trips I organize under my community brand, Vision Loss Travel.
In addition to planning travel, I also coach travelers with vision loss on building the skills and confidence they need to navigate the world safely and independently. I run a vibrant online community, host monthly virtual events called Travel Talk Tuesdays, and lead international group trips — including recent ones to Costa Rica, Spain, and upcoming adventures in South Africa, Vietnam, and Ecuador.
My work combines my background as a certified guide dog mobility instructor and my belief that travel is one of the most empowering tools for personal growth and connection. I aim to create experiences that are sensory-rich, meaningful, and accessible — not just logistically, but emotionally.
Let me know if there’s anything else you’d like ahead of time — and I’m excited to dive into it all with you on the podcast!

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Lindsey Lusign will be joining us today. This is someone

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to whom I have known of for a while and
I've always wanted to interview her and she, First of all,
there's something very important about Lindsay that we need to
go over. She is cited and cited. People are welcome here,
although Lindsay, and although Lindsay is cited, that doesn't matter
because we share a lot of the same interests and
a lot of the same knowledge, and a lot of

(06:15):
the same things. For example, I had a guide dog
years ago, and Lindsay actually worked in her native Belgium,
So Lindsay is born. She was born in Belgium, and then,
as she'll tell you in the conversation today, she started
traveling all over the world and was bitten by the
travel bug and just didn't turn back. But when she
was in Belgium, she worked at a guide dog school

(06:37):
in Belgium training blind people how to work with guide dogs.
And I think that's so great and so amazing. So
she's very familiar with that. And then over time she
discovered that blind people insided people to need a lot
more encouragement when they travel. So today we're going to
be talking about Lindsay Lusign's company, where she mostly provides

(06:58):
travel advice and travel coaching to people who need encouragement
to travel and go on trips. Lindsay does go on
trips herself, and she does seem to plan trips herself.
But the bulk and the majority of the conversation and
the majority of the knowledge today will be about the
coaching and the psychology and the building up to travel.
In other words, helping people to overcome their fear of

(07:20):
travel is the focus today, and it's just as important,
if not more important, than actually traveling itself. Anyway, it
was a really, really, really interesting conversation, and we're really
glad to have finally gotten to meet Lindsay Lusign and
including her here in the Aaron's Opinion family. And she did,
by the way, Lindsay wrote a beautiful review of the show,
so we'd tremendously appreciate that. So why don't we let

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Lindsey tell you about her fascinating life, a life of
travel and adventure. And we also geek out about languages.
How she's a Flemish speaker and I totally love that
totally and just sew into the language thing. That's like
really really cool but anyway, I think we should get
into the episode today. I think that's enough for the reduction.
So why don't we get into the episode today by

(08:03):
me telling you you're listening to the Aaron's Opinion podcast.
My name is Aaron Richmond, and now let's sit back
and listen together too, loving a life of travel and
adventure with Lindsey Loo. Sign welcome or welcome back, everybody
to another exciting episode of Erin's Opinion, the podcast for

(08:24):
blind people where we speak about critical issues in the
blindness community and all other issues from across the universe
and galaxy. Today, we're joined by someone who is definitely
blind and has definitely spends a lot of time traveling.
Her name is Lindsay Lusign, and she runs a travel
company and does a ton to help blind people travel

(08:45):
from all over the world. So I don't know a
whole lot about you, Lindsay, but why don't you just
kind of walk through your life journey and tell us
everything you want to know about you, where you are now,
what's going on with your travel agency, and how you
really got into all this because you do a ton
of stuff. All me my microphone, go for it.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Hi, Aaron Hi everyone, Thank you so much for having
me on this podcast. I am super excited to be here.
Let me think where I can start. So first of all,
a question that I get often is if I am
blind or visually impaired, and I must say that I
am not.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I am cited.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
And my journey started about let's say eight to nine
years ago when I started working in the blind community
as a guide dog trainer.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
So that was my first, very first dip in was
I started training dogs, I started training people.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I absolutely loved it, completely found my passion there. Then
I also became a mobility and orientation instructor, so really
helping people to enhance their mobility and getting from a
to B in a safe way.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
So I absolutely love that.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I'm actually from Belgium, and that's also where I started working.
About five years I moved to Canada because they needed
instructors here in Canada, where I am also currently at.
But my lifelong dream was actually to be able to
travel full time and not have that end date. That

(10:19):
was really my my dream at that time. I was like, oh,
I want to go and travel and not really having
to keep that end date in mind. So that is
what I did about two years ago, I left Canada.
I went all the way across the continent, but I
left a bit of a hole in my heart because

(10:40):
I was not able to work with people anymore. I
was not able to help blind people to enhance their
mobility or you know, I could not I could not
help anyone physically. And that's when I decided I wanted
to dive deeper in to another passion of mine, which

(11:01):
is travel. As you can hear and really combine those
two passions that I have. While I was diving deeper
into this, I've noticed that there is a gap. There
is a gap. So there are organizations that help people
with traveling, so that have group trips where everybody gets
a sided buddy and you go and travel, and I

(11:24):
think it's absolutely wonderful. But I noticed that there was
this gap of people that are more independent, or they
want to become more independent, and they still want to travel,
but they just don't know how, they don't know where.
So I started with helping people with getting out of
their comfort zone. So the first thing I did was

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I started coaching people how do I get out of
my comfort zone? How do I start learning the skills?
Because a lot of things is learning, learning skills, getting
out there, trying a little bit, having a couple of
small steps before you can reach your goal.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
So it started with helping people do that.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Then we advanced at going to plan trips for people. Okay,
how how do I start planning a trip? Okay, I'm blind?
How do I start this journey? I want to go
to Europe? How do I How do I start connecting
with people to make this happen? What do I need
to keep in mind to make this happen? It goes

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from assistance in the airport, to finding the right hotels,
to finding the right partners, activities, you name it. There
is so much there in the planning process and in
the booking process, and also the support on the ground
when you're there. And then recently, I so I have

(12:49):
this travel community online. It's called a Vision Loss Travel Community,
So that is on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
I would say, go and check.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It otos you love travel, And there I really started
listening to people, Okay, what is it that you'd need?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Tell me what you need? What are you hoping for?
What are you looking for?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
And that's why I started this year with also organizing
group trips. But our group Trips are a little bit
different than the other travel organizations out there, as we
do not work with sided buddies. We do, however, have
trained guides, so we use guides that is, one guide

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to two to three travelers, depending on your abilities, depending
on what is necessary for you. And we have small
groups a max of ten people where you can still
be independent, but traveling group in a safe environment, and
that's where we that's where we are today, eron, that

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is what we're currently doing. It's a little bit of backgrounds,
so yeah, let me know what you want to know
about it.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Sure. Thank you. Thank you Lindsey Well for one thing
that I wanted to say was thank you for making
thank you for clarifying that you are a cited person.
It's really no big deal to me, but I had
I had always had the impression that you were that
you were blind, So so thank you for the clarification.
And I didn't mean to create any misunderstanding, by the way,

(14:15):
but I didn't know that you were cited. And as
I always say, cited people are always welcome on Aaron's opinion,
so welcome aboard. We're glad to have you. So I
have been, I have done several trips with an organization
that is an amazing organization, but I don't want to
name drop it for obvious reasons that you can understand,
just for the you know, the perspective a podcast and

(14:37):
things like that. It's it almost certainly is an organization
that you've heard of, though probably based somewhere in Europe.
And yes, they do do a group group tours where
you're matched with a cited person. So let's really clarify
two huge things that I have major questions about. You
said that you started well, actually you said that you're

(14:58):
originally from Belgium, So my first question, so, originally, what
got you into guide dogs? What got you into being
a guide dog trainer and helping blind people in that way?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I must say the first passion that it started with
was dogs. Working with dogs, I think they are absolutely
incredible animals, how they enhance our lives, how they help us,
and also how you can train them to do incredible things.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
So that's where it started.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
And it was because of travel actually that I got
into this job.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
So let me start a little story.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I was about I think twenty four, and I've always
wanted to do a solo trip. I thought that would
be like really brave to go out and do a
solo trip.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
So I finally planned one. I was going to Cuba.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
My friends and family completely freaked out that I was
going as a woman alone to Cuba, but I did
so I did it, and at that time, my life
was a bit meaningless. I was I had no direction,
I had no passion. I did not know where I
was going, what I was going to do with my life.
There was just nothing there I wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Was okay, I want to travel.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Let me try out this solo traveling fast forward. This
trip was absolutely amazing. I had a lot of challenges,
a lot of things didn't go the way I planned.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
But when I started.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
When I came back actually from this trip to Cuba
as a solo traveler for three weeks, I felt so empowered.
I was felt so strong. I felt like I could
handle the work world. I was like, oh my goodness,
let me look at my life. What is not going well?
I hate my job, I have no direction. I came

(16:52):
home and I felt so empowered. I quit my job
right there and then, and I started applying for my
ultimate dream job, which was working with dogs helping people
while working with dogs, so anything from assistant dogs to
blind guided dogs, all of that, and I landed the
job and from there on, my journey started.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
From there on, I really felt passion.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
For what I do and what I want to do,
and I want to help blind people because I think
it is such an in such an incredible world where
as you are training these magnificent animals to become a
person's best friend, partnering crime, just helping by training the dogs,

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helping people getting a better a better chance at life.
And I don't mean that guide dogs are the solution
for everything, and I also don't mean that GUYE dogs
are for everyone.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Definitely not. But that's that's how I started.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
It was actually because of travel, and that's why I'm
also so so passionate about this that if you feel stuck,
if you feel like you are losing your independence, if
you feel like you know you don't know what to
do with your life and you're in this downward spiral,
maybe travel is something for you because travel can give

(18:15):
you more answers, it can give you more confidence, it
can give you more direction in life. And that's why
I'm so passionate about trying to get more people out
of their comfort zone and traveling so good.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I completely completely support you, and I completely salute your
message a thousand times over. And I agree. I've traveled
all over the world. I've been to France, of course,
because I'm a French speaker, and then I've been all
over Europe and even a country in Africa, and I've
been I've been everywhere, and You're very right. Traveling is
great because it helps you to understand the world is

(18:49):
the answer, and it's a great activity. It gets you
out of the house, and it's a great thing to
do because it expands your perception of society and of people.
And I could not agree more. Thing that I want
to unfold that I think you said that really really
struck me. You said that sometimes when you initially started
your company, you had to really get people out of

(19:09):
their comfort zone. Right, So give us a concrete example,
obviously changing the names in places, but give us a
concrete example where you got someone out of a comfort
zone and where you really met someone who said, oh, lindsay,
I'm just too afraid of airplanes, just too afraid to travel,
and then they traveled and now they're totally hooked. You know,
I'm sure you have stories like that.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Tell us, yes, this reminds me of a trip that
I did in March.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
So in March I went on a trip to Spain
with one of our community members and it was really
incredible because as we are on this trip, first of all,
this was an international.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Flight, so that is already not the easiest.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
People land in a country where they are not sure
if they will speak English or not, and and there
is a lot to unpack and unfold there. So as
it was this person's first trip out of let's say
the States, it was a little bit terrifying, which I

(20:14):
one hundred percent understand. But because of having the support
of Visional Loss Travel, it makes it a lot easier
because there is first of all, you get assistants in
the airport. You get assistance all the way through, right
so from the moment you arrive in the airport in
your home country or your home base, all the way

(20:35):
up until you actually reach me, let's say it reach
me or reach the person at the in the country,
there is assistance all through and then actually, yeah, we
traveled through a big, big part of Spain and it
was really exciting because what happens is.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Oftentimes definitely.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
When you're in your life and you're vision is declining
or you recently lost your vision, you kind of feel
like your possibilities are also fading away. And what happens
is that people are not one hundred percent aware of
what is possible out there, what is out there, Like,

(21:21):
as you travel yourself to a lot of places, you
must also know that everywhere you go, there are certain
things that you can set in place for you to
have a really comfortable, really smooth trip.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
And that is really what I want to show to the.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
World as well as like, there are so many possibilities
out there. Guys like do you want some sided guide
all the way through? That's possible. Do you want to
travel more independent? It's possible. Do you want to go
into group? There's so many things that are possible. But
if I feel like the word is not spread enough,

(21:59):
I must say about what you actually can do and
what this could mean for you. And that is a
little bit what I what I want to bring is
you can travel internationally. You do not need to necessarily
know the language when you get there. There are certain
things that we can set in place so that you

(22:20):
can have a really safe trip and there's people taking
care of you, or if you want something more independent,
we can build up to that. And after this trip
in March, I felt like this person really had a
lot more confidence. And then also traveled to more places afterwards,
to other places outside of the States afterwards.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
So I really feel like this was a great.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Win to get this person out of the comfort zone
and traveling and just having a really good time in
Europe and in other places in the world.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
You're so right, You're so right. Yeah, you know. And
even in my own life, if I can tell you
that I've traveled when I was well, now I'm thirty four,
but I traveled as a child because my parents knew
that it's really important to travel when you're a child,
or else when you're an adult it becomes scary. And
we have a relative, well we'll just say a friend

(23:17):
of ours who had never traveled, and then when they
needed to travel as an adult, they found it terrifying.
You know. So that's a very very very common fear is, well,
do I have to speak the language, What's going to happen?
How does from from what we would consider mundane to
us is a very daunting thing for somebody, Well, how

(23:39):
does the suitcase get to the other end? You know
that that's a huge point of fear for many many travelers.
It was what do you do when you lose your luggage?
You know, and that does happen. That happens regularly, so
you have to know what to do when that happens
and pack the right things in your carry on and
things like that. But yeah, I mean it just it's

(23:59):
just so you know. You so, do you target your
trips to like only blind people, sided people or just
the world? You know? What would you say is your
target demographic?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
First of all, the trips are mainly created for blind
people and visually impaired that do have a good base
of mobility. So you do need to be able to
work either with a cane or have enough vision to
freely move yourself around, right, because I don't provide a

(24:38):
full time sided guide on the group trips. Right. But
at the same time, everybody is welcome, so there is
no age age situation going on unless you want to
bring children. Then there is a bit of an age
restriction for bringing young children on this trip.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
But if you want to bring.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
A friend, a partner, family member that is cited, they
are absolutely welcome on the group trips. Sometimes if the
group needs to be filled, so we have a max
of ten travelers in total. Sometimes when the group needs
to be filled, I present it also to other people
that just want to be there be.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Part of it.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
It is not really restricted to you have to be blind.
It's mainly important that you have a sense of adventure,
you want to get out there, you want to socialize,
and you do have a bit of a basic mobility
so that you can move around freely to really enjoy
the group trips.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Absolutely, that's so good, so important. So in your organization,
when you guys like plan these trips, is there a
list of trips that people can like choose from or
is it that people just have ideas for trips or
all of the above. How do you decide where to go?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
How I decide is mainly I try and listen to
community what they ask. So if I notice, like, okay,
people are talking a lot about Italy, let me see
if I can create a trip around Italy. Currently we
have a handful of trips. So we have one going
to Costa Rica, we have one going to South Africa,

(26:18):
so this year and next year and then Ecuador is
also on the list, together with Galapagos.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Or not, if you want to opt into that or not.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
And then I'm working behind the scenes about more destinations
as well, So Spain is coming up, Italy is coming up.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I think those are the main ones so far.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
But if you feel like, Okay, I want to travel,
I either want to travel solo or I want to
travel with my family, people can definitely reach out to me.
I can create trips anywhere in the world. You also
have full freedom, a full say on what you want
this to look like, and and we get yeah, we

(27:04):
can plan, we can create anything anything you want like,
I'm very open minded, you know what, ever, whatever you
feel like you want to want to do, we can
make it happen. But of course, when it comes to
group trips, these are now the destinations that we have.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I am.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I am hoping to get more destinations for twenty twenty six,
but I think we already have a nice and nice
uh you know, a nice amount of destinations for people
to choose from right now.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Sure, absolutely, that's really really fascinating. So take any of
these trips, these group trips. So do people just simply
go to the destination from you know wherever they live
in the world. You know, how do you organize how
people actually get there if people are traveling from all
over the world.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Okay, that's a really good question, because that's the question
I get often.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
So it is.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Everybody needs to be able to to make it on
their own to the destination. This means there is support
in booking your flights. You know, so everybody comes from
a different place in the world. I do have a
lot of people coming from the States or from Canada,
but you know, you can come from Europe, you can
come from Australia. It really doesn't matter. So flights are

(28:22):
not included in the group trips. There is support in
booking your flight, but you get on your flight by yourself. Well,
make sure you have assistance from the flight company, from
the airport, and then the moment you arrive into the destination.
Everybody arrives in the same airport. It could be at

(28:43):
different times, but that is okay because there will be
somebody from us personally to receive you. So normally when
you ask for assistance, there will be people taking you
off the plane. They will stay with you until you
have your luggage and until they can hand you over
to one of us, and then from there on you

(29:05):
will have full support throughout the whole trip until the
end of the trip, and then you will be brought
back to the airport, go to assistance. We'll make sure
you get to assistance, and then from there on you
can fly back to your home country.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Really good, really really really fascinating. Yeah, well very good.
So yeah, so you say that you have people from
you know, the Americas and Canada, and so originally, how
did you start, you know, raising raising awareness for your organization.
It's very hard in this technological age that we are
to even get people's attention these days, So how did

(29:42):
you originally get enough traction to build up an organization
like this?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Uh, you are absolutely right, I feel in this day
and age it is hard to get people's attention because
there's a lot of noise out there and a lot
of place on the internet, or also not very welcoming
to new things and to promotion.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
I actually please.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
I actually started the Vision Loss travel community not really
knowing at that.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Time what I wanted to do with it.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
So the first thing that I started was I want
to build a community where people feel safe to ask
travel questions, to connect to each other, to give.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Each other like tips and tricks and destinations.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
And that was the very first initiative that I started,
and I actually saw that there was a lot of
interest in it and a lot of people that started
coming into this community. They were very interested in travel
and they were asking a whole ton of questions, but

(30:49):
not actually traveling. They were not actually getting out there
and doing what they are dreaming of. And that's how
it started the coaching, and then you know, from the
coaching and started with planning, because every time we go
to a little step further, I see what people need,
I see what they are asking for, and then that's
the next, the next step.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
So yeah, I feel like now we have.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
A really beautiful community already, there's definitely more space for
more people. So I would say, spread the word and
come and join us.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well, now that you're on this podcast, now
certainly I will be able to tell my audience from
all over the world, and I know all sorts of
people cited en blind who will certainly be very very
interested to connect with you and to know exactly what's
going on and things like that. So that's really really good,
really really good to know yeah, Yeah, what has been
over the years you've been you've been you know, running

(31:41):
these trips. What has been the craziest question that anyone
has asked you or the most interesting question you've ever
asked or or answered? Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
As I said, I'm very open minded. I don't think
any question is too crazy for me to be honest.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
No, I there's questions, but still people people do ask
interests or or what was a really or a silly question?
Not really silly, but what what was? What have been
some of the funniest things that people have ever told
you about traveling?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, you know what I can definitely share with you.
I find is so interesting and crazy. It is not
really a question about from from a blind person that
wants to travel. The craziest questions actually come from sighted people.

(32:32):
So when sight of people know what I do and
I talk about it, and the craziest question that I
get and I find it it's a bit strange for.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Me to share also with you.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
But the strangest thing that I get is what but
what is the point in traveling if you can't see?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, it's a really good question. That's a really good question. Sure, sure,
And what do you tell them.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
So first, and I've been getting this question off. And
first it was a bit taken aback because I've you know,
I've worked with blind people so much and they live
full lives just like cited people. So I asked them, Okay,
so when you go to a destination, the only reason
for you to go go to that destination is to

(33:18):
see things? Is to see sites? Or do you also
try food? Do you also go to a concert with
local music? Do you also walk through the markets and
you you know, you you sent all the different spices
there and the language of the people, Like, do you
really just travel to see things? Or do you also
experience travel with your other senses? And that is also

(33:41):
what happens when you don't have your vision, you know,
or primary sense. Let's say, there is so many things
that you can still enjoy during the trips. And I
find that that is something that I actually didn't think
of before, but it is one of the most common
questions that I get from sighted people when I talk

(34:02):
about what I do.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Or the or the experience of it or or not
only is it the language, the food, the culture, the sites,
the activity, but the the overarching experience of going through
all of it is what the blind person would get
out of it, absolutely, yeah, really really really good. Yeah,
that's that's definite. That is definitely true. Yeah, so back

(34:26):
to your back to your past, you know, so what
can you tell me, by the way, about working with
guide dogs in Belgium?

Speaker 3 (34:36):
What happened in Belgium mainly was there there are actually
lots of Guyde dog schools.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
And it's very small.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't know if you know Belgium, but Belgium is
super tiny and there's lots of guide dog schools actually.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
But still pretty long waiting lists.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
And then when I moved to Canada it was the
other way around, so not too many schools, short waiting,
short waiting lists dogs. So yeah, there is so many
differences between Canada or let's say North America and Belgium
Europe when it comes to supporting people.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I feel also in the countries definitely.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
If you've traveled to Europe you can probably also agree
with that, is that there is a lot more accessibility.
There is tactiles on the ground, you know, all the lights. Yeah, yeah,
so I feel good. Public transport amazing public transport definitely
in Western Europe, and that was the main difference I

(35:39):
would say between between the countries and in Belgium as well.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, sure, sure, absolutely So why are there so many
guy dog schools in Belgium.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, that is a very good question. I actually I
don't know why there are so many. But at the
same time, as I said, they are all long waiting lists,
so there is there is a need for it.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
It just I feel like it.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Takes a lot longer maybe there to you know, to
get enough dogs, to train them to everything takes a
lot longer, So they just have more schools I think.
Also that's not a fact, that's just what I think
is maybe more people apply for guide dogs because everybody

(36:29):
lives in the city when you're in Belsium, because the
whole country almost is a city, right, while maybe in
North America, you know, if you if you live in
a rural area, it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Harder to have a guide dog and to be blind too, obviously.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well it's a very different mentality. And in Europe every
almost everything revolves around the city, and in North America
everything kind of revolves around kind of doing your own
thing a lot more. Yeah, so there are certainly cities
in America, but the reality is most many blind people,

(37:07):
just like many American people, do not always live in
cities and do not always live in the most urban setting,
you know. But that's that's what that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, and it's also I feel the challenge, the
challenge that you have in North America is that the cities.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Are created for cars.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
It's all about the convenience of the cars, while in
Europe it's about the convenience of pedestrians and cyclists. So
it's a lot more comfortable to move around in Europe
as a pedestrian than it is in North America.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Challenging and dangerous.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
And in America, at least where I am in America,
America never really caught on to public transportation because our
country didn't start out that way, so we never caught
onto it, so we never really noticed and most Americans,
in fact, many Americans never travel, so most Americans and
many Americans have never noticed that Europe is the way

(38:11):
it is, you know, which is a very strange thing,
but it's it's an accurate thing. Yeah, that's really, really,
really good. So you travel all over the place, how
long are you going to be staying in British Columbia
for example.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Currently I am looking to go to Australia, so I'm
waiting for visa for Australia to come in and then
I'm going there. So it's right now, not sure how
long I'm staying. I arrived about two months ago, so
I am also here on a visa, So that is
sometimes definitely as a long term traveler, one of the

(38:47):
challenges that you have is your visas, because there is
no place on Earth that you can stay indefinitely unless
it's in your own country or in my case, in Europe.
So that is a it the challenge when you're also
working with visas.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, sure, sure. And where in Belgium were you, Like
where in Belgium did you grow up by the way.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Oh, I grew up by the coasts and the right
being now in northern BC, and I really I really
missed the ocean so bad, Like the ocean is seven
hours away from me right now?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Wa that far? Now that's the probably I didn't know that.
I thought in BC, I thought the the ocean was
a little bit was a little bit closer, that was
what I thought. I thought it was near the Pacific Ocean, right, Oh, yes.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yes, yes, BC has a lot of ocean.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
You when you're in Vancouver, obviously Vancouver Vancouver Island, you're
really close to the ocean.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
But once you start going north.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
From there, it is a lot harder to be close
to the ocean because there's not a lot of cities.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
And of course it's.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It's massive, right, It's Canada, so everything is just gigantic here.
But where I grew up in Belgium, i grew up
right at the coastline, and my upbringing was really the
moment the weather is nice, we go to the beach.
Because we have the same climate as you have in
the UK. Most people know the UK is pretty gray

(40:13):
and rainy, so we're super close to that.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
We have the exact same climate.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Sure, so the moment it's nice weather, it's time to
go to the beach.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, because the nice weather doesn't last long enough to
worry about it, to debate whether it's going to be
nice weather. Yeah, that's that's the thing. That's the thing,
whereas in the America is the nice weather lasts a
lot longer. But of course if you're up in the
Northeast now not at all. That would be more like
what you're used to so it does tremendously depend Yeah. Yeah,

(40:43):
now that you're in BC, I'm sure everybody's asking you. So,
how many grizzly bears in wildlife have you encountered up
there in BC?

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Actually a grizzly I have not encountered yet, you know,
I want to see one from a safe distance. That's say,
I have been in the area. There has been signs.
But where I'm currently at, black bears just stroll through town.
That is nothing new. You see them on the parking lot. Like,

(41:14):
black bears are all over the place. Deer are also
all over the place, Coyotes and yeah, at least once
a week, even in the city, at least once a week.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
You encounter some sort of wildlife here.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Very good, very good. And so did you grow up,
by the way, did you grow up speaking mostly French, German, Flemish?
Like what language did you grow up speaking? I love
geeking out about languages, by the way, I'm a bilingual guy.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Hmm, oh, I love languages.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I always say my first language is West Flemish, so
that is the dialect of the area.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
And Flanders where I live, So that is my first language.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
It's really a heavy dialect and other Flemish speakers do
not understand most of what we say. Then I would
say my second language is Flemish, so Dutch actually, so proper,
proper Dutch. Then I also speak English, German, some notes
of French and Spanish.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, really good. Yeah, And Flemish, by the way, is
very important for those out there who are not language nerds.
Flemish is important because it's considered to be one of
the languages that would eventually lead into the development of
the Anglo language, which would eventually lead to English. So
that's a very special language and a very important piece
of linguistic history. That's really cool.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, someone else is really cool.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Also about the dialect.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Actually, I don't know if you know that, Aaron, but
the dialect that we have in Flounders as our country
is so small, so we have three borders let's say
in well, yeah, actually let's say four borders. Okay, so
we've got we've got the Netherlands, France and then England.
So depending on where you were located in the country,

(43:08):
your dialect is going to lean closer to the country
that you're closest to. So as I am from the coast,
my dialect has a lot of English notes to it,
but then if you're on the French side, you're going
to have lots of French in it, or you.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Know, Dutch or German.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And I find that this is also so interesting how
it kind of blends in, you know, on depending on
which side of the country.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You're at, and French is and French my second language,
French is the same way depending on what province you
are in France. If you're closer to another country than
you speak French with that country's accent. So I've heard
that too. That's very beautiful and very very entertaining. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah,
that's that's really cool. Can you give me like one
sentence of your dialect illustrating the Anglo influence, so I

(43:55):
can give me like a feel of this ancient language
that you grew up, that you grew up speaking. Sure
if if you want, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Oh god, do you want a dialect.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
The sentence, yeah, where you grow up? Like, like, please say,
a sentence of of your your Flemish dialect, where that
like illustrates like the English notes and sort of the
the town where you grew up.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Oh you're calling catching me off guard here. I really
need to think about well.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You brought it up.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
So there's a couple of words that we use, like one,
for instance, is it's not the nicest way in my
dialect to.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Call your wife, but we would say woof.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Is so mamouf is my wife actually, but in a
little bit of a disrespectful way in dialect.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Now I need to think what.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Then what's the and then what's the polite, the formal, appropriate,
pure Flemish way of saying my wife?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Main throw?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Okay, so a lot more throw it.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Is not very close to each other.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that second word sounded a lot more respectful.
So yeah, yeah, I get it. So it would be
like in English where we would say like yeah, why
for like yeah, I totally get it, where you have
certain words that are formal if you want to be respectful,
but then if you want to be like like kind

(45:28):
of trash talk kind of like that kind of like
oh that why like that? Yeah exactly. Yeah, that's really
that's really beautiful. That's really really fascinating. When you were
training the guide dogs, did the guide dogs in Belgium
do commands in Flemish or what language were they trained
in for their commands? When you're training the dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, so it's either Flemish when you're on the side
I would grow up, or French.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So yeah, oh, very good, very very that's really good.
That's super super good. So what are some questions that
you have for me and for Aaron's opinion? Because I
want I want to make sure that in given the time,
given the time that you have, I don't know how
much time you have left. Of course I try not

(46:16):
to look during an episode, but I don't know how
long we've been speaking really, so I know you have
some limitation, as we all do on time. But what
are some questions you want to know about me and
Aaron's opinion? And really you can really get under my
skin and make me sweat, go right for it.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
I won't make you sweat. I'm just very curious.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I would actually love to know which destination or which
trip had the biggest impact on your life.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I think the trip that really influenced me the most
was a trip that I took right after graduating from
university in twenty fifteen. Now, this was a time period
in my life where I was still in the process
of learning French. I was not fluent, I was not
Coomo as I am now, But I was in my

(47:01):
early twenties and I had just finished university and my
parents said, you're going to go to France for a month,
and you're going to be independent, living there independently with
your guide dog, and you're going to be in French
school all day. And it was the whole thought process
was very daunting at first, but then after I did it.
I lived in a southern town in France called Montpellier.
Surely you've been there or at least heard of the place. Yeah,

(47:24):
it's a great place to go. After living there for
a month, not only was I confident in French, but
what I was confident about is that when you learn
a second language well enough that people do answer you,
and they do respect you a lot more, and they
really do engage with you. And I thought that was
just so fascinating. So now as considering that I started

(47:44):
out as a person where when I was in high school,
I would have been way too embarrassed or nervous to
say anything in French. Now, if I meet a French person,
I always immediately speak French, and I'll go out of
my way to only speak French with French people. I
love prizing French people in French and having a French
personality and things like that. I've even recorded a couple

(48:06):
episodes over the years in French. Actually not many, and
there's shockingly very few French podcasters that are active around
the community. And I don't really know why that is.
That's a whole nother story. But I've found a couple
French people over the years who have engaged with me
on the podcast and things like that, and that's always
a lot of fun. So and actually one of them

(48:26):
loves traveling. You probably know him. One of them loves
traveling and he's French and he's a podcaster. Do you
know who I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
By the way, not right away, not right away?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Okay, that's fine, that's fine. Yeah, his name is his
name is Guillome. And his podcast, because I'm sure he's
fine with me plugging it because he definitely needs more downloads,
is he has a podcast called basically The Blind Travelers
Les Voyage and he is a really really fascinating guy

(48:57):
to connect with. He's lived all over the world like you,
and he loves traveling. Yeah, he's really cool.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Mm hm oh that sounds interesting. I would love to
I would love to meet him and talk to him,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Sure, maybe on messenger. I certainly have to ask him first,
but later, i'd a later date. I'll certainly connect you.
If he's okay with that, I'll certainly connect you. You know,
I don't, I don't know. Sometimes you know, not people
are not always uh always okay with that all the time.
But I'll certainly ask him and say, yeah, have you
heard of this organization? And he loves talking about travel. Yeah,

(49:30):
m hmm, yeah, yes, so that I would say would
be an impactful trip in my life. But the answer
is every trip is a little bit different because it
goes a little bit differently, and every trip has had
slightly different influences on me and things and things like that.
So that's you know what I can tell you.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I think it's also important to understand the why of
why you are taking a certain trip, because every trip
that I have taken in the past had different reason.
It could be that you're like, Okay, I want to
know the culture, I want to know the food.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Okay, I want to go see that country. That's very basic.
But if we dive.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Deeper into your next trip and we're really trying to
figure out the why, why do you actually want to
go on this trip, because oftentimes we also travel to heal,
We travel to fill a gap. It could be all
of a sudden, your house is empty and know you

(50:33):
have an empty nest all of a sudden, or you
just went through a breakup, or you know it's your
birthday and you're having a new milestone. You're thirty or
you're forty now. So I feel like it's also important
to kind of dive deeper into, Okay, why do you
want to travel?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
What are you trying to get out of this strip?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
To really get the maximum out of it, to really
make this strip meaningful.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Right, I'll give you an example.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Of course, going let's say, for a week to lay
on the beach in Florida is absolutely beautiful and there's
absolutely nothing wrong with it, but it is not going
to be as life changing and as meaningful as if
you would go for a week, let's say to Costa Rica,
where you you know, you get to know new people,

(51:25):
new cultures, and you really go with a certain intention.
You really go, Okay, I'm here to heal a certain wound.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
So you can.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Actually go with that intention and find that in your
trip and come home and really reap the benefits of
you being on a vacation on a trip.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And you know, and a lot of
people come into the United States and they come to
Florida and they go to Florida and it's you know,
that's a big deal for people because Florida is hot.
It's very different. Nothing's like Florida. It's you know, all
the states are different from Florida. So it does. It
does depend on on what part of the world you're from.
You know, generally European people like yourself usually like the

(52:08):
Western United States usually, or western Canada as you are,
and usually you like a warmer or at least a
pleasant outdoor environment. That's one thing that I've heard too
is if you come from Europe, you want the whether
to be nice, you know, So that's that's one consistency.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, it really depends on what you're looking for, right Like,
and that's why it's also important if you know, if
you want to travel more but you don't really know
how or where to, that is also important to talk
to a professional and really together figure out what it
is that you that you want to do.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yeah, do you want to go.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
More tropical and have nice weather, and you know, or
maybe a certain destination that you have in mind might
not be as you think it is, and then maybe
there is another destination that suits you better to get
what you actually are hoping for or wanting. So if
you're not sure about a certain destination, it's always better
to talk either to a well traveled person or to

(53:06):
a professional to really get clarity on what it is
that you want, what it is that you want to
achieve with this trip, and then start planning the right destination.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
For you absolutely really really really good, really good. So
what are some of your final places where you really
want to go in the world. You know, surely you've
traveled all over, but everybody has their bucket list or
they're one place that you know, they say, you know,
before I die, I've got to go to that place,
or I've got to have that meal. What is that
for you?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Oh, I would say the highest on my list, but
it is not. It's you know, it's Antarctica. That is
a place that I definitely want to go.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Absolutely, go go. I'm I'm definitely not stopping you go
for it. That's an amazing place. My parents' friends went
there and they said, it's amazing. There's two things that
are amazing about it. It's amazingly cold, and it's amazingly
expensive and amazingly exhausting. But it's amazing. Go for it. Yeah,
I would love to do that trip. I would go.

(54:12):
The problem with Antarctica, though, is the is the cost
for most blind people. In case you were, in case
you were were thinking about getting that set up, yeah, yeah, don't.
In case you want to do that, don't do it
because the cause the cost. The problem is the cost

(54:32):
of actually getting the ship to go to Antarctica and
and getting onto those cruisers and cruise cruise all the
way over to Antarctica. Those ships are costal. That is
a very costly cruise. It's ridiculous, so expensive.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
And let me tell you, Aaron, I cannot afford it myself.
I don't know if I will ever be able to
afford it myself.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Well why did you bring it up if you can't? Okay,
I see, well that's well, I you understand.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, you should dream big. You should dream big. It
is I think that is so important.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
It is even all right, now, that's true, that's true.
You can dream big. But also I tell other blind people,
and maybe you've told people something similar. It's also important
when you travel to have an appropriate expectation, a realistic goal,
you know. So that's why it is important to realize, well,
maybe I don't really have enough money for that trip,

(55:27):
and so maybe I'll never end up going, you know.
Or maybe people would say Australia is nice, but the
flight's just too far, you know. So there's always there's
always limitation, you know, yeah, really good.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
There is amitation.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Yes, maybe I have a slightly different opinion because I
also feel it depends on how badly also you want something.
Let's say, for instance, let's say, you know, pick my
dream of going to Antarctica.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I cannot afford that right now.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I don't know if I could ever afford it, but
it will always be on top of my list. And
I think that is why dreaming big is important, because life.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Is full of surprises. You never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
That does not mean like I'm planning it in two
years from now, but it will always stay on my list.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
You never know what happens. Maybe there is an opportunity
all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Life is full of really great surprises sometimes, and it's
important to stay open to that.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
You're so right, You're so right. What are some final
questions you have for me? As we always like to say,
if you can ask me only one question to make
me sweat, which you kind of did by asking me
an impactful trip, but what are some other final questions
you want to ask?

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I'll let me think.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I wonder if you know, if you would have a
friend right now who really wants.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
To travel but is too scared to do so, what
would you tell him? What would you feel?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
But what would your motivation be to get this person
out of their comfort zone?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I would say to that person that not only is
it okay to be scared to travel, because traveling is scary,
but it's also what I have seen is that the
people who are scared to travel are the people who
appreciate it the most. Look, we have in our own family,
we either and I'll just call him a relative or
a friend or whoever he might be, but we have

(57:25):
someone in our family who was so afraid to travel
and now he can't stop traveling, and he's sighted. So
you know, the thing is, if you're afraid, that's kind
of a good thing because it shows that you have
a lot to overcome and it shows that you have
a lot much more to see in the world. So

(57:47):
my advice is, if you're afraid, it's okay to be afraid,
But once you do it the first time, you'll love
doing it. And that's why you should do it, because
it's only going to be scary once and then it's not. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
True. Yeah, yeah, and be careful. It is highly addictive.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
And highly expensive also, yeah, and highly exhausting, it is,
and it never really yeah. Yeah, but surely you have
you have a place in Belgium that you can at
least go back to when you need to rest between
your trips, right, yes.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I mainly go.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I try to go once a year back to Belgium
to visit friends and family and then I can then
I have my home base there.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Right sure. So, anyway, how can someone get in touch
with your organization? If they're listening to this episode and
they want to learn more about the trips that are
offered and things like that, how can they get in touch?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
The best way to get in touch is I to
go to our Facebook page, which is the Vision Lost
Travel community, so you're very welcome there. Everybody is welcome there.
You can also send me an email, which is Vision
Loss Travel at gmail dot com, or go to the
website same thing, visionlosstravel dot com.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Very good, and on there you have the Facebook group too.
That Facebook page is a group, I believe, by the way, right, Yeah, yeah,
that's a group. Yeah. That's all really all, really really good. Well,
thank you so much for joining us today. You did
a magnificent job, as I knew you would do, and

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and just thank you and keep traveling, stay safe out there, certainly,
and if you have any questions about the podcast now
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over the world who want to learn from you and
everything like that. So lindsay thank you, and of course
keep traveling and stay safe out there, and until next time, everybody,
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