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Immigration is not a problem without solutions, but a challenge requiring courage, honesty, and political will to address. Our broken immigration systems exploit the vulnerable while benefiting the powerful, yet we have the capacity to create humane policies that recognize the dignity and contributions of immigrants.
• Immigration benefits economies by filling labor shortages and creating businesses
• Mass migrations have root causes including war, climate change, and political unrest
• The claim that administrations only oppose illegal immigration is contradicted by harassment of legal immigrants
• Solutions exist, as demonstrated by programs like H-1B visas for skilled workers
• Immigrants contribute through taxes, housing, education, and cultural enrichment
• Political and corporate interests profit from maintaining broken immigration systems
• Immigration challenges are global issues affecting countries worldwide
• Humane reform requires seeing immigrants as people rather than statistics or threats
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Grantley Martelly (00:09):
Welcome to Above the Noise, a podcast at
the intersection of faith, raceand reconciliation, and I'm your
host, grant Lee Martelly.
This episode is response to anepisode that I posted on episode
(00:33):
66 of this podcast and aLinkedIn article that I had
posted to my LinkedIn site onthe importance of immigration to
the US economy.
Now in that LinkedIn post Icreated a link to the article
from the Center for MigrationStudies and in the podcast
episode I quoted extensivelyfrom the content.
The article gave directinformation on the benefits of
(00:56):
immigration and, morespecifically, data to support
the economic and social andpolitical benefits of
immigration to the US economy,and I also reference my belief
that this information and thatthese results can be seen
(01:16):
similarly in other countries whoare struggling with issues of
immigration as well.
Immigration benefits economies,it benefits people, it benefits
us socially, economically,politically, and we're better
off by having a diversity ofpeople wherever we are.
Now I received responses to thisposting, some of which I just
(01:37):
want to address here.
I want to address comments thatcentered around this misnomer
that the policies and practicesof the current administration,
whether in the United States orin other countries, are not
opposed to immigration, but onlyto illegal immigration.
This sounds good, but it's a,first of all, a fallacy and
(01:59):
secondly, in my opinion, a totalfabrication.
We've now seen hundreds, if notthousands, of examples of legal
immigrants who have beentargeted for deportation or
harassment and intimidation.
We have seen businesses oflegal immigrants and some
citizens vandalized, and evenjust recently began to hear more
(02:20):
reports of family separations.
Now as part of the currentstrategy, all over again.
If you follow the news aroundthe world, beyond what the
American media outlets may begiving you, or some of your
local outlets who are justhyper-focused on the local
situation, you will see thatthese actions and policies are
not unique to the United States.
(02:40):
Other countries are flyingunder the radar with similar
policies.
Too many times we have our newsand our newspapers just trying
to give the whole world asummary in 90 seconds.
You hear things like the worldin 30 seconds, the world in 90
seconds.
We cannot even cover our ownissues in the 24-hour news cycle
(03:04):
.
How can we cover those of theworld in the 90-second or
two-minute episodes?
We've got to find other sourcesfor the information We've got
to read.
We've got to find other newsoutlets, credible news outlets,
to see what's going on in theworld.
And immigration is not aproblem that's unique to the
United States.
It is happening in manycountries, whether you look to
Europe, or to the Caribbean, orSouth or Central America or Asia
(03:26):
.
Immigration are issues thatpeople are facing all over the
world.
Blaming immigrants for theproblem of a broken system is
like blaming the victim forbeing assaulted.
In fact, our system sometimeseven does this.
We blame the victims when theyare assaulted.
The immigration system is abroken system and the results we
(03:50):
see are the direct results ofthat brokenness.
The brokenness in the systemcan be repaired.
However, it is one that shows alack of courage, honesty,
integrity and political will,not just of elected officials,
but of entire nations, as wefail to hold each other
(04:12):
accountable.
Whether we're elected orunelected, whether we are clergy
or laity, whether we are socialor intellectual, whatever our
position is, we fail to holdeach other accountable to solve
these issues, to treat people asour neighbors, to treat people
right.
Immigration problems are notproblems that are insolvable.
(04:34):
The challenges are solvable.
They were created by humanbeings and they can be solved by
human beings.
I'm an immigrant and my wife isan immigrant.
We have many friends who areimmigrants, and my wife has
worked in immigrant resettlementfor many years, I have never
met a person who wants to be anundocumented person or to be
(04:57):
called an illegal immigrant.
Sure, there are bad apples ineach batch and there are people
who come with the intent ofdoing harm, but those are very
few and far between and, to behonest, there are people who are
citizens of this country and ofevery country who are also
intent of doing harm and notdoing good.
Immigrants are simply peoplewho are looking for ways to
(05:19):
better themselves and theirfamilies, and the system is
broken and it can be fixed.
However, we must admit thatthere is money to be made in
keeping the system broken.
There are political careersthat can be made in keeping the
broken system in place.
Rounding up people and holdingthem in cells and detention,
(05:42):
incarcerating them or flyingplane loads of people to foreign
countries are money-makingmachines of some of the
companies and some of the peopleand some foreign governments
who want to see a brokenimmigration system, because
there's lots of money to be madein human suffering and in
causing people to suffer and intaking advantage of the poor and
(06:04):
those who cannot protectthemselves, and unfortunately,
many of these governments andpolitical leaders benefit from
political contributions fromthese companies and these
individuals who are makingmillions of dollars in spreading
human harm and condoning theseimmigration systems that are
(06:25):
dehumanizing and are not reallyfixing the problem.
The system can be fixed and weare the ones who can make sure
it gets fixed.
We have jobs that need to befilled and we have people who
want to do the work and we cancreate systems to solve that
challenge.
We have schools that need to befilled and we have families who
(06:46):
want their children to beeducated.
We can create solutions tosolve that problem.
Right here in our city, wherewe live, and in our community
where we live, we're hearing theschools that are scheduled to
be closed down because there arenot enough children to fill the
schools, so they can't hireenough teachers or get enough
supplies, because the schoolsare funded by how many children
(07:06):
are going to be attending theschool or are attending the
school.
So we have problems that arebeing created by this lack of
fixing this immigration systemthat are having a ripple effect
in our economy and a rippleeffect in our communities, and
we can face this challenge andwe can solve these problems.
(07:26):
The economies of many countriesare slowing down, including
this country.
Whether we want to admit it ornot, costs are rising.
We lack enough affordablehousing.
Our hospitality industry isexperiencing severe shortage of
help.
Immigration is one solution tothese problems, and the system
(07:48):
is broken and it can be fixed.
So let us not continue to blamepeople for the manifestations
of the broken system that wehave the power to fix, but we
lack the will and the honesty toaddress.
Mass migrations of people do notjust happen.
There are reasons why, and whenwe choose to ignore these
(08:11):
reasons whether they'reinconvenient truths or the
legacy of institutional systemsthese problems will eventually
end up at our borders.
It is like people who gocamping and they start a
campfire and they pick up theirphones and they call it in and
say, hey, we want to report aforest fire without mentioning
that they had a part in it,without mentioning that the
(08:33):
forest fire was started by them.
And when they get interviewedor when they get spoken to, they
say well, we just want toreport it because we don't want
houses to get damaged, we don'twant people to get harmed, we
want to make sure thatauthorities know that they can
address it.
But some of these problems thatwe are facing, our
representatives, our history,our current systems, our current
(08:54):
institutions have a part incausing these problems.
War displaces people.
Political unrest displacespeople.
Drug cartels displaces people.
Racine change displaces people.
Human trafficking displacespeople.
Forced labor to produceproducts for Western countries
(09:15):
displaces people.
Tribal violence and ethniccleansing displaces people.
Hunger and famine displacespeople.
Burning food that was slated tofeed poor nations because it
was too inconvenient to give thefood to them under some of the
practices that we just sawimplemented in this country,
(09:36):
displaces people.
Help address these problems.
Around the world, massmigrations will continue to
happen.
People move not because theywant to leave their country,
their families or their homeland.
They move because they want tolive, and they want to live free
from fear and harm.
We can be thorough in vettingapplicants and, at the same time
(10:04):
, reduce the burden on those whowant to migrate.
We can do both at the same time.
We have an example in the AS1visa program, because large
companies need indenturedservants to fill their positions
and they have prevailed on thegovernment to create a pathway
to profit and for politicians tobenefit from this profit.
The AS1B visa program is anon-immigrant visa program that
(10:25):
allows United States employersto temporarily employ foreign
workers in specific occupations.
These occupations generallyrequire a bachelor's degree or
higher in a specific fielddirectly related to a job, many
of them in technology andtechnology-related jobs.
It's employee-supported.
It allows for a maximum of sixyears in the country, with
(10:48):
possible extensions, andsometimes at least to get in a
green card out of the process.
So we have one example of asolution that's not perfect, but
it's one solution that showsthat we can address the problem
when the need is there, when thedesire is there, when the
ethics is there, when theintegrity is there.
Too many times we only solveproblems when it benefits the
(11:10):
powerful among us or when it hasa strategic benefit to keep
certain people that we do notconsider to be within the right
class from becoming part of ourcommunity.
We can match people with needand create pathways to tie
immigration to those needs.
It is a fallacy that immigrantstake jobs from law-abiding
(11:33):
citizens.
It is a fallacy whether it's inthis country or other countries
.
First of all, not all citizensare law-abiding.
However, we are blessed in manyways that there are more than
enough jobs to supply bothimmigrants and citizens who want
to work and still have jobsleft over.
That's why we measure theemployment rate and the
(11:54):
unemployment rate, because weknow that there are jobs that
need to be filled and we needpeople to fill it.
There is opportunity there.
There are people in thiscountry who want to work, who
were born here, who want to work.
I don't buy the other side ofthat fallacy either, that people
who were born in this countrydon't want to work and they
don't want to do hard labor.
That's not true.
There are many people who wereborn here who do hard labor
(12:14):
every day.
But it's also a fallacy toassume that immigrants are only
coming to do hard labor, onlycoming to do certain types of
work.
Immigrants come in every classand every education, with every
skill level.
Who can do phenomenal things,have phenomenal skills that we
can benefit from.
We can have law and order andwe can have legal immigration at
(12:38):
the same time, becauseimmigrants bring skills, they
bring knowledge, they bringcapabilities that can serve
across multiple sectors.
They pay taxes, they pay rent,they buy vehicles, they buy
homes, they patronize businessesand community events.
Their children go to schools.
(12:58):
We have community events, wehave cultural.
We have things that we arelearning from each other.
We can learn in many ways manytypes of activities.
We diversify our community andwe diversify our members.
We learn from each other and webecome stronger.
Immigrants create businessesthat create jobs for other
people.
(13:19):
This is no different from thosewho were born right here.
We are no different.
We're just all people wantingto have a better life.
Our immigration systems arebroken and they can be fixed, so
let us not blame innocentpeople for the brokenness.
If we can put people in outerspace, if we can explore distant
(13:39):
planets, if we can buildautonomous vehicles, we can do
heart and lung transplants, wecan harness energy from the sun,
we can fix our brokenimmigration system.
The problem is not theimmigrants, whether their status
is legal or undocumented.
It is not the children of theimmigrants.
(14:01):
It is not a Democrat, aRepublican, a moderate, a
conservative or a liberalproblem.
It is a broken system, one thatexploits the poor and the
vulnerable and takes advantageof those who can't defend
themselves.
It is time that we shift ourmindset.
It is a system that rewards thepowerful.
(14:22):
It is a system that was builtto take advantage of others for
the economical and socialbenefit of other people.
It is time to stop theshenanigans, time to admit that
it is broken and let us employthe minds of honest and
reasonable thinkers andpractitioners who are free of
political ideology, who seepeople as people rather than
(14:47):
numbers on a balance sheet orenemies in the wings waiting to
pounce on us, and let'schallenge them to come up with
viable solutions, just as we didto put people on the moon.
It is not complicated, but itwill take as much work as it
took to put man on the moon.
It is time to startre-victimizing the victim and
(15:09):
addressing the underlying issues.
To say that we only want legalimmigration is to assume that we
are better than others and thatthey enjoy being exploited and
dehumanized, whether it's inthis country or anywhere else on
the planet.
Nobody wants to be calledillegal or undocumented.
People just want to be people.
(15:30):
They just want want to livelives, to live in harmony, to
live joy, to pursue happiness,to see their family thrive, and
that is what immigration is allabout.
That is what living incommunity is all about.
A country without borders is nocountry at all, but a country
without compassion and honestyand mercy is worse off than no
(15:51):
country at all.
So thank you for your time and Ihope this honesty and mercy is
worse off than no country at all.
So thank you for your time andI hope this helps us to get
further down the road on thisissue of immigration and realize
that, as long as it has beenwith us and we've been talking
about it, there are solutionsand it's up to you and I people
of faith, people without faith,people of every color, people of
(16:14):
every race, people of everydenomination, people of however
you classify yourself everylanguage, tongue, tribe or
nation.
We have policies and proceduresthat treat people honestly and
ethically and equally and withjustice, and realize that we are
(16:37):
all immigrants, no matter wherewe are, no matter where we were
born.
We're just on this planet for ashort period of time and then
we're gone.
So if we're immigrants to thisearth, let's also help others
live lives peacefully andjoyfully together in harmony.
All people want to be peoplewho are accepted.
(17:02):
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Welcome to Above the Noise, a podcast at
the intersection of faith, raceand reconciliation, and I'm your
host, grant Lee Martelly.
This episode is response to anepisode that I posted on episode
(00:33):
66 of this podcast and aLinkedIn article that I had
posted to my LinkedIn site onthe importance of immigration to
the US economy.
Now in that LinkedIn post Icreated a link to the article
from the Center for MigrationStudies and in the podcast
episode I quoted extensivelyfrom the content.
The article gave directinformation on the benefits of
(00:56):
immigration and, morespecifically, data to support
the economic and social andpolitical benefits of
immigration to the US economy,and I also reference my belief
that this information and thatthese results can be seen
(01:16):
similarly in other countries whoare struggling with issues of
immigration as well.
Immigration benefits economies,it benefits people, it benefits
us socially, economically,politically, and we're better
off by having a diversity ofpeople wherever we are.
Now I received responses to thisposting, some of which I just
(01:37):
want to address here.
I want to address comments thatcentered around this misnomer
that the policies and practicesof the current administration,
whether in the United States orin other countries, are not
opposed to immigration, but onlyto illegal immigration.
This sounds good, but it's a,first of all, a fallacy and
(01:59):
secondly, in my opinion, a totalfabrication.
We've now seen hundreds, if notthousands, of examples of legal
immigrants who have beentargeted for deportation or
harassment and intimidation.
We have seen businesses oflegal immigrants and some
citizens vandalized, and evenjust recently began to hear more
(02:20):
reports of family separations.
Now as part of the currentstrategy, all over again.
If you follow the news aroundthe world, beyond what the
American media outlets may begiving you, or some of your
local outlets who are justhyper-focused on the local
situation, you will see thatthese actions and policies are
not unique to the United States.
(02:40):
Other countries are flyingunder the radar with similar
policies.
Too many times we have our newsand our newspapers just trying
to give the whole world asummary in 90 seconds.
You hear things like the worldin 30 seconds, the world in 90
seconds.
We cannot even cover our ownissues in the 24-hour news cycle
(03:04):
.
How can we cover those of theworld in the 90-second or
two-minute episodes?
We've got to find other sourcesfor the information We've got
to read.
We've got to find other newsoutlets, credible news outlets,
to see what's going on in theworld.
And immigration is not aproblem that's unique to the
United States.
It is happening in manycountries, whether you look to
Europe, or to the Caribbean, orSouth or Central America or Asia
(03:26):
.
Immigration are issues thatpeople are facing all over the
world.
Blaming immigrants for theproblem of a broken system is
like blaming the victim forbeing assaulted.
In fact, our system sometimeseven does this.
We blame the victims when theyare assaulted.
The immigration system is abroken system and the results we
(03:50):
see are the direct results ofthat brokenness.
The brokenness in the systemcan be repaired.
However, it is one that shows alack of courage, honesty,
integrity and political will,not just of elected officials,
but of entire nations, as wefail to hold each other
(04:12):
accountable.
Whether we're elected orunelected, whether we are clergy
or laity, whether we are socialor intellectual, whatever our
position is, we fail to holdeach other accountable to solve
these issues, to treat people asour neighbors, to treat people
right.
Immigration problems are notproblems that are insolvable.
(04:34):
The challenges are solvable.
They were created by humanbeings and they can be solved by
human beings.
I'm an immigrant and my wife isan immigrant.
We have many friends who areimmigrants, and my wife has
worked in immigrant resettlementfor many years, I have never
met a person who wants to be anundocumented person or to be
(04:57):
called an illegal immigrant.
Sure, there are bad apples ineach batch and there are people
who come with the intent ofdoing harm, but those are very
few and far between and, to behonest, there are people who are
citizens of this country and ofevery country who are also
intent of doing harm and notdoing good.
Immigrants are simply peoplewho are looking for ways to
(05:19):
better themselves and theirfamilies, and the system is
broken and it can be fixed.
However, we must admit thatthere is money to be made in
keeping the system broken.
There are political careersthat can be made in keeping the
broken system in place.
Rounding up people and holdingthem in cells and detention,
(05:42):
incarcerating them or flyingplane loads of people to foreign
countries are money-makingmachines of some of the
companies and some of the peopleand some foreign governments
who want to see a brokenimmigration system, because
there's lots of money to be madein human suffering and in
causing people to suffer and intaking advantage of the poor and
(06:04):
those who cannot protectthemselves, and unfortunately,
many of these governments andpolitical leaders benefit from
political contributions fromthese companies and these
individuals who are makingmillions of dollars in spreading
human harm and condoning theseimmigration systems that are
(06:25):
dehumanizing and are not reallyfixing the problem.
The system can be fixed and weare the ones who can make sure
it gets fixed.
We have jobs that need to befilled and we have people who
want to do the work and we cancreate systems to solve that
challenge.
We have schools that need to befilled and we have families who
(06:46):
want their children to beeducated.
We can create solutions tosolve that problem.
Right here in our city, wherewe live, and in our community
where we live, we're hearing theschools that are scheduled to
be closed down because there arenot enough children to fill the
schools, so they can't hireenough teachers or get enough
supplies, because the schoolsare funded by how many children
(07:06):
are going to be attending theschool or are attending the
school.
So we have problems that arebeing created by this lack of
fixing this immigration systemthat are having a ripple effect
in our economy and a rippleeffect in our communities, and
we can face this challenge andwe can solve these problems.
(07:26):
The economies of many countriesare slowing down, including
this country.
Whether we want to admit it ornot, costs are rising.
We lack enough affordablehousing.
Our hospitality industry isexperiencing severe shortage of
help.
Immigration is one solution tothese problems, and the system
(07:48):
is broken and it can be fixed.
So let us not continue to blamepeople for the manifestations
of the broken system that wehave the power to fix, but we
lack the will and the honesty toaddress.
Mass migrations of people do notjust happen.
There are reasons why, and whenwe choose to ignore these
(08:11):
reasons whether they'reinconvenient truths or the
legacy of institutional systemsthese problems will eventually
end up at our borders.
It is like people who gocamping and they start a
campfire and they pick up theirphones and they call it in and
say, hey, we want to report aforest fire without mentioning
that they had a part in it,without mentioning that the
(08:33):
forest fire was started by them.
And when they get interviewedor when they get spoken to, they
say well, we just want toreport it because we don't want
houses to get damaged, we don'twant people to get harmed, we
want to make sure thatauthorities know that they can
address it.
But some of these problems thatwe are facing, our
representatives, our history,our current systems, our current
(08:54):
institutions have a part incausing these problems.
War displaces people.
Political unrest displacespeople.
Drug cartels displaces people.
Racine change displaces people.
Human trafficking displacespeople.
Forced labor to produceproducts for Western countries
(09:15):
displaces people.
Tribal violence and ethniccleansing displaces people.
Hunger and famine displacespeople.
Burning food that was slated tofeed poor nations because it
was too inconvenient to give thefood to them under some of the
practices that we just sawimplemented in this country,
(09:36):
displaces people.
Help address these problems.
Around the world, massmigrations will continue to
happen.
People move not because theywant to leave their country,
their families or their homeland.
They move because they want tolive, and they want to live free
from fear and harm.
We can be thorough in vettingapplicants and, at the same time
(10:04):
, reduce the burden on those whowant to migrate.
We can do both at the same time.
We have an example in the AS1visa program, because large
companies need indenturedservants to fill their positions
and they have prevailed on thegovernment to create a pathway
to profit and for politicians tobenefit from this profit.
The AS1B visa program is anon-immigrant visa program that
(10:25):
allows United States employersto temporarily employ foreign
workers in specific occupations.
These occupations generallyrequire a bachelor's degree or
higher in a specific fielddirectly related to a job, many
of them in technology andtechnology-related jobs.
It's employee-supported.
It allows for a maximum of sixyears in the country, with
(10:48):
possible extensions, andsometimes at least to get in a
green card out of the process.
So we have one example of asolution that's not perfect, but
it's one solution that showsthat we can address the problem
when the need is there, when thedesire is there, when the
ethics is there, when theintegrity is there.
Too many times we only solveproblems when it benefits the
(11:10):
powerful among us or when it hasa strategic benefit to keep
certain people that we do notconsider to be within the right
class from becoming part of ourcommunity.
We can match people with needand create pathways to tie
immigration to those needs.
It is a fallacy that immigrantstake jobs from law-abiding
(11:33):
citizens.
It is a fallacy whether it's inthis country or other countries
.
First of all, not all citizensare law-abiding.
However, we are blessed in manyways that there are more than
enough jobs to supply bothimmigrants and citizens who want
to work and still have jobsleft over.
That's why we measure theemployment rate and the
(11:54):
unemployment rate, because weknow that there are jobs that
need to be filled and we needpeople to fill it.
There is opportunity there.
There are people in thiscountry who want to work, who
were born here, who want to work.
I don't buy the other side ofthat fallacy either, that people
who were born in this countrydon't want to work and they
don't want to do hard labor.
That's not true.
There are many people who wereborn here who do hard labor
(12:14):
every day.
But it's also a fallacy toassume that immigrants are only
coming to do hard labor, onlycoming to do certain types of
work.
Immigrants come in every classand every education, with every
skill level.
Who can do phenomenal things,have phenomenal skills that we
can benefit from.
We can have law and order andwe can have legal immigration at
(12:38):
the same time, becauseimmigrants bring skills, they
bring knowledge, they bringcapabilities that can serve
across multiple sectors.
They pay taxes, they pay rent,they buy vehicles, they buy
homes, they patronize businessesand community events.
Their children go to schools.
(12:58):
We have community events, wehave cultural.
We have things that we arelearning from each other.
We can learn in many ways manytypes of activities.
We diversify our community andwe diversify our members.
We learn from each other and webecome stronger.
Immigrants create businessesthat create jobs for other
people.
(13:19):
This is no different from thosewho were born right here.
We are no different.
We're just all people wantingto have a better life.
Our immigration systems arebroken and they can be fixed, so
let us not blame innocentpeople for the brokenness.
If we can put people in outerspace, if we can explore distant
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planets, if we can buildautonomous vehicles, we can do
heart and lung transplants, wecan harness energy from the sun,
we can fix our brokenimmigration system.
The problem is not theimmigrants, whether their status
is legal or undocumented.
It is not the children of theimmigrants.
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It is not a Democrat, aRepublican, a moderate, a
conservative or a liberalproblem.
It is a broken system, one thatexploits the poor and the
vulnerable and takes advantageof those who can't defend
themselves.
It is time that we shift ourmindset.
It is a system that rewards thepowerful.
(14:22):
It is a system that was builtto take advantage of others for
the economical and socialbenefit of other people.
It is time to stop theshenanigans, time to admit that
it is broken and let us employthe minds of honest and
reasonable thinkers andpractitioners who are free of
political ideology, who seepeople as people rather than
(14:47):
numbers on a balance sheet orenemies in the wings waiting to
pounce on us, and let'schallenge them to come up with
viable solutions, just as we didto put people on the moon.
It is not complicated, but itwill take as much work as it
took to put man on the moon.
It is time to startre-victimizing the victim and
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addressing the underlying issues.
To say that we only want legalimmigration is to assume that we
are better than others and thatthey enjoy being exploited and
dehumanized, whether it's inthis country or anywhere else on
the planet.
Nobody wants to be calledillegal or undocumented.
People just want to be people.
(15:30):
They just want want to livelives, to live in harmony, to
live joy, to pursue happiness,to see their family thrive, and
that is what immigration is allabout.
That is what living incommunity is all about.
A country without borders is nocountry at all, but a country
without compassion and honestyand mercy is worse off than no
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country at all.
So thank you for your time and Ihope this honesty and mercy is
worse off than no country at all.
So thank you for your time andI hope this helps us to get
further down the road on thisissue of immigration and realize
that, as long as it has beenwith us and we've been talking
about it, there are solutionsand it's up to you and I people
of faith, people without faith,people of every color, people of
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every race, people of everydenomination, people of however
you classify yourself everylanguage, tongue, tribe or
nation.
We have policies and proceduresthat treat people honestly and
ethically and equally and withjustice, and realize that we are
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all immigrants, no matter wherewe are, no matter where we were
born.
We're just on this planet for ashort period of time and then
we're gone.
So if we're immigrants to thisearth, let's also help others
live lives peacefully andjoyfully together in harmony.
All people want to be peoplewho are accepted.
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