October 7, 2024 • 39 mins
Have you ever wondered what it feels like to step into a man's shoes in a challenging relationship, often labeled as a "pushover"? Filmmakers Abdul T Sesay and Darren C Murray invite you on an eye-opening journey with their innovative film, "The Pushover," now streaming on Amazon Prime Video.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Absolute
DMV Podcast.
It's your man, ace Boogie, andI'm here with a few good guys.
I'm here with my man, mark.
Hey, what's going on?
Everybody and my man, ego, onthe board.
I'm on the board.
We are joined with specialguests today.
Special special guests.
Yep, at this point, I, I'mgonna refer, I'm gonna refer to
(00:52):
them as film royalty.
Yes, we are here with the goodbrothers abdul t c say yeah, and
the good brother darren c.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yo give it up, give it up get it up, dmv owns, you
know, production company overhere, these guys.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
These gentlemen are joining us today, blessing us,
blessing the podcast, becausethey were able to do something
amazing for the DMV putting iton the map and all over.
I mean they're dropping a movie.
Putting it on the map and allover.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean they're dropping a movie, the Pushover.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
They already dropped it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, excuse me, they dropped the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I say they dropped the movie.
Yeah, it's dropped.
They dropped the movie.
It just dropped today on Amazon.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Gentlemen, yeah, amazon Prime Video yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Man tell us a little bit about the movie.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Okay, well, the Pushover is about a guy that
just got out of a badrelationship.
His friends hold interventionin hopes of keeping women from
walking all over him.
That's the name the Pushover,yeah, Okay, okay.
Narrative slash documentarywhere you see guys that are like
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analyzed by, like other people,like whether it was a
barbershop braiding salon.
We have a professor at.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
George.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Washington University all over.
We did it in the East Coast andthe West Coast, and pretty much
what we do is we have thosepeople analyze the film, we show
them different segments of thefilm where there was conflict,
and then from there we recordedtheir reactions to the actual
scenes that they saw, and thenwe captured that in the film,
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then we encompassed it in theactual film.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, I did like it Okay okay, I did like it.
I love the way that you guysshot it because it was very
interesting to be what halfalmost like reaction video,
(03:00):
Right right, it brought a littlebit of realism and 21st century
to it, because normally whenyou see a movie you react to it
in your own time and you tend towonder if other people may have
seen it the way I saw it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And you guys.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Gave it to them.
Yeah, you gave it to them.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But you basically allow people to come up with
their own thoughts with it andalso see what other people
thought about it, and a very,very large group of people, I
mean.
From what you said, you shot itin two different places, I mean
two different coasts.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So I saw that you guys, like you said, you had the
professor at GW, then you alsohad the um the panel yeah, with
the panel, and that was inValley Village in California.
Yeah, that's crazy tell meabout that.
How did you guys like come upwith?
Like come up with that?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
okay, all right.
So Darren, okay, so okay.
There's a film that Darren andI are very fond of.
It's by Tim Alexander.
He it's called Diary of a TiredBlack man, and that came out in
2005.
And so he did something similarin terms of the actual format,
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where you have narrative, youmix narrative with documentary,
right, and so it was more so.
He was talking about a man thatwas just tired of a situation
and stuff like that.
So when we were shooting it,darren was just like, hey, you
know what, we should probablyadd that kind of element as well
as far as the documentaryversion of that and encompass it
(04:43):
and put themine intertwine thetwo worlds, and so that's pretty
much like the genesis of thatconcept.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, I think when it comes to filmmaking, I
specialize mostly in thedocumentary aspect.
I've always been that type ofperson that just loves
documentaries.
So, like when Abdul was did hisconcept, I was like you know
what it would be really dope toget somebody to, um, just speak
on it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like speak on the movie or speak on this actor?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yeah, I mean so, yeah , I think that, I think that was
really cool because, as aviewer, you know you have this
movie based around sort of youknow relationships and, in the
heat of the moment, interactionsand how it's being viewed by
people.
You know the people in the movieitself and then the people
reacting to the movie.
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And I thought that was reallycool as a viewer of both of
those different pools ofreactions to sort of see.
As a viewer, you know there'sdifferent perspectives.
People in the movie havedifferent perspectives, Even the
reaction.
People are siding withdifferent people for different
reasons.
So as a viewer, it's kind ofcool to see, you know, that your
side is validated becauseeveryone's going to react to a
certain way.
People are going to agree to acertain extent with one side to
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another side, to a certainextent they might not agree with
anyone on one side at all, butit's kind of cool because
everybody's reaction was kind ofcovered by someone in that.
So that was a cool, a cool wayas a viewer to sort of be like
oh, I identify with this reactorperson because no they're right
on the money.
No, this person's totally wrong.
You know, like that was cool tosee.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Thank you, thank you and uh, yeah, and the purpose of
that was to like, like tocreate discussion, to have like
water cooler talk.
So even like, when we had theirscreenings in LA, we had like a
red carpet in LA and then wehad a red carpet out here in DMV
in Green Boat.
While the film was going on,you could hear people talking
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and chattering in between.
You know different scenesbecause of the documentary
portion.
It was the catalyst fordiscussion and that's what the
purpose was is to generatediscussion genius and it
definitely did no, it definitelydid.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Because, like I said, the way it was shot with
reaction video was it gave yousomething to to think about or
comment on.
Because you got to comment onthe movie like the actual film
portion, right, and you got tocomment on the commenters, right
right, yeah so you know whatI'm saying.
So it was like it was just oneof those things where it was
(07:17):
like this is a very, very coolway of it being shot.
Um, I there were some thingsabout the movie.
I liked and there were somethings about the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I didn't like Not to say.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I didn't like.
I was just like.
I just wonder.
It was left open ended.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And somebody like me.
I like to critique things, Ilike to break things down,
gotcha.
So what I liked about it themost is it actually is almost
like an educational video rightright it's something for the
young man out there tounderstand hey, this is what you
need to do in certain.
Don't be a bitch in yourrelationship yeah, you know what
(08:00):
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Don't be a bitch.
This is what you need to do inyour relationship set standards,
set boundaries?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
yes, because if you do that, you stand less of a
chance of these things happeningto you exactly, yeah yeah, so I
definitely definitely like thatbecause, even to see it, it
wasn't.
It wasn't shot with young menright, it was shot with older
gentlemen, so you know not evenolder gentlemen, right, not even
(08:25):
older gentlemen, but gentlemenof our age, right, right right
right.
So you know what I'm saying andif younger people to see that
they was like damn they goingthrough that too.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah man, everybody going through Right right, you
know what I'm saying so.
It was a very relatable thing.
It was a very relatable movie.
Yeah, absolutely.
I definitely like the way y'alldid that.
But one of my open endedquestions okay, things that left
me open-ended with the movieuh-huh was how come you guys did
not show the woman's point ofview.
Okay, all right.
(08:55):
So okay, you know what and thatthat to the ladies I'm gonna
hold y'all down, real quick,because when you see the movie,
y'all going to understand whyyou don't need to be held down.
But I'm going to hold y'alldown real quick.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
And that's a great question and I appreciate that.
So we have a lot of films,right, or podcasts, whatever the
case may be, that speaks from awoman's point of view, right,
and so this was something that Iwas like, well, let me see from
a guy's point of view, right,and so this was something that I
was like, well, let me see froma guy's point of view.
So this film, I actually wrotethe screenplay back in 2011.
(09:35):
No, no, no, no, yeah, 2011.
I wrote it in 2011.
And it was actually like my veryfirst script and it was based
on people that I knew personallythat went through similar not
exactly, but similar situations,relationships where I was like
(10:07):
where's that voice for that, forthat male, that that needs,
that needs, that um, that lightshine on that person, right, and
so today, you know they callthat, they call it, you know the
pushover, they call it a simp,right, so, so it's just speaking
through that lens, opposed tojust saying all right, because,
because, because, if you, if youask, like majority of men,
they'll be like ah, I run things, I run things, all this bravado
(10:28):
, but there are people that gothrough it and it could be
because you're in a relationshipand you love the girl so much
and you let certain things slide.
It could be a situation whereyou moved into a woman's place
and, because it's her place, youhave to hold your tongue on
certain things.
It's so.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's so many different factors and variables
that that you could look at andand they just they're not
touched on, touched upon, sothat's why I wrote it yeah, okay
and and I think that it wasreally cool to see also that
obviously the panels of peoplewho are reacting, a lot of them
is very mixed, so you have, youknow, male, both male and female
perspectives in there, right,and it was kind of cool to see
(11:09):
the difference of just how manyyou know females were siding
with.
You know, the, the, the maleprotagonists in the story.
Yeah, seeing like, well, thatsituation is crazy, or like, or
he should have done this or heshould have, he should have done
what they're saying, but inthis way right so it's very cool
to see that, that differentperspective, um I think that you
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know there there were somescenes in there that were really
cool and spoke to a lot, notjust sort of being sort of
pushed over, um, you know, butalso just sort of a toxic
relationship and like how to setboundaries in that and when
something's toxic?
When is the limit of like aboundary, because you don't want
it to get too far?
Where then it's a blow-upreaction but like where's the
gentle boundary?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
exactly, I think, uh, I think what, while we were
filming it, there was one sceneand I don't want to get too much
into it but uh, there was onescene that was happening and I
was like, ah, is this realistic?
And even when I was even scenethat was happening and I was
like, ah, is this realistic.
And even when I was cutting it.
It was really over the top.
And I talked to Abdul on thephone and I was just like yo, is
(12:15):
this?
Are you sure this is like thishappens, man?
Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's weird because didn't we just talk like that
man, like so?
You know what I'm saying.
It's weird because didn't wejust talk about.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
The funniest part is I'm looking at him and I'm like
I I know what part you'retalking about, see, and I just
and I hope we're on the same,because yeah because there was
one part of the movie wherehomie was going, homie was going
eight, and I was just like yeah, and I was just like I was just
(12:45):
looking at it, like bro, itcan't go down like this right
but this is and and, but that'show I was feeling
but it needed.
But the funniest part about itis it needed to go down like
that.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yes, for giving the situation that he was going
through and how he needed to setthese boundaries, just taking a
serious L in that yeah and itwas, so it was so flagrant in
front of everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I was just like no, bro, I was, and and that was the
one, and that was okay.
That's, that's the main thing Ididn't like, right, right, that
I was just like.
Yo y'all picked the three mostegregious things a woman could
do to a man.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Right, right right.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's how I felt when I was cutting it.
I mean, like I said, I read thescript and I was just like damn
, that's crazy man.
And then just shooting it andthen seeing it in front of your
face, seeing it in front of yourface, bro, and then after that
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you have to cut it to make itlook so good, but like so over
the top.
I mean I was proud of what Idid and what we, and what we did
right but I was just like dang,no, no, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So now y'all did a great.
That's what I'm saying.
Y'all did a great job becausethat's the part of that, I feel
like that's the great part aboutfilmmaking that people tend to
forget.
Is that filmmaking,storytelling, is meant to evoke
emotion?
Yes, so the fact that I didn'tlike things and then I did like
(14:20):
things lets me know that y'alldid the job that you were
supposed to do because if itjust would have been one solid
emotion of you know what I'msaying because that's why,
that's why I was like.
That's why I was like.
That's the why I said I didn'tlike it, because it was so
egregious what she was doingthat it was like we have to be
(14:42):
against her, and that's why.
That's why I even led with thefirst question of that.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It was like bro we have to be against her.
You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.
We have to be against her.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And that's why I even led with the first question of
why didn't you tell it from thewoman's side, Because what she
was doing was so crazy that wehad to see her side Like it had
to be Right.
I know Like people just don'tact like this, just to be like
this.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
But you know what I'm going to, okay, and I'm going
to tell you, okay, I knowsituations that are worse
personally and when I saypersonally, I'm not talking
about like me, but stories thatI've heard People getting locked
up because of.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I mean it gets real.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
So when Darren was telling me and that scene that
you're talking about, uh, darrenwas like did this happen?
I was like yo, I know thingsthat are worse, worse so, so
what I'm so, so what I'm whatI'm talking about.
It's like stuff that's kind oftoned down from what I actually,
because I I couldn't, I couldnot put things in that from
(15:47):
because people told me things inconfidence, I couldn't put that
in the film Like, oh yo, why'dhe do me like that?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He didn't want to go gutter on it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I know things, situations, scenarios.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
He didn't want to go, bet, yeah, he wanted to keep it
.
He wanted to keep it.
He wanted to If he would havekilled her.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What was the movie?
What was the movie?
The Best man yeah.
Where the homie wrote the bookyeah, I knew what was going on
in the book.
I can't have one of those.
You're the best man, yourhomies yeah.
So I'm not going to out anybody.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And it's like there's scenarios that I kid you, not
that you would not believe.
You would not believe, and youwould Because of that situation
being in love, and maybe theydon't, maybe that person the
other person's the breadwinner,and then he feels like he has to
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hold his tongue because hedoesn't.
You know what I'm saying.
I mean, I've seen situationsbad, bro, I'm talking about bad.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
It's like the choosing to ignore stuff and
prioritizing other stuff, andthen it's almost like it speaks
to.
I think anybody can identifywith it, regardless of like if
you're in a relationship or ifyou're single.
If you're male, you're female,because it's almost like when
someone says something thatbothers you, yeah, and in that
moment you don't react to it orcheck it.
You have that moment when youget home and you're driving home
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being like, damn, that reallybothered me I should have said
something yeah, that reallypissed me off, yeah.
And then you have thatself-loathing a bit, because
you're like I should've stuffedup for myself, I should've said
something, even if it wasn'tlike checking a full thing, I
should've just set some type ofboundary.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So it's kind of like being a pushover, getting pushed
over.
In this case, I should've.
I should've punched thatmotherfucker in his mouth.
No, that scene was egregious.
It's crazy, because that's theonly word I can think of.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right, right, right it's just egregious, because I'm
like.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I don't know how, as a man, you sit back and calmly
deal with that.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Right right, right right.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, because that's like I said.
Half the time I was watchingthe movie I was like this guy
isn't a pushover, he's a coldbitch.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But you know what.
So, okay, back to what you weresaying about evoking emotion,
right?
So when you're writing anarrative and it's fiction,
right, it's fictional, but it'sbased off of things that could
happen or could you got to, youhave to embellish it, right, you
have to embellish a bit, right?
So there are certain thingsthat, like I said, I've seen
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things and I've heard of thingsthat are worse, but there's
certain things where, in orderfor the story to work, he has to
be this passive type of guywhere it builds up and and then
you know the situations whereyou know he might, he, he might,
may or may not be out of workand and and he's got to kind of
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hold it and he's kind of holdinghis tongue, so there's.
So there's certain thingsthat's happening in that
situation where he wants, he maywant to do something, but he's
just like this, just like thismight get out of hand.
You know what I'm saying.
So, again, there's a bit ofembellishments, but at the same
(19:01):
time, it's supposed to evoke afeeling you know what I'm saying
and the feeling whether it'sangst, whether you're upset with
him for not stepping up, you'reupset with her for going too
hard on him, wherever that maybe.
That's what I want.
I want a reaction.
I want a reaction.
(19:22):
So, if you don't rock with him,you don't rock with her.
You like him, you don't likeher.
You're sympathetic to her,whatever.
I want to hear all of it and Iwant to hit all those chords.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I think that's hear all of it and I want to hit
all those chords and I thinkthat's how you cut it.
I mean, I don't know if you andDarren you pretty much, even
when you were talking about thehand how you cut to the hand
grabbing and they would walkwith hands.
I was like this mother?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, because I was like see, they did that on
purpose, they did that onpurpose.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Like yo, come with me , Come to my.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
yeah, that's the thing about, like I see what you
did.
You did a lot of cuts likearound to make him like I, this
motherfucker, yeah, even alan,like I said, even um the person
who actually played mike, um,he's really good like alvin gray
.
Yeah, alvin gray, alvin alvingray and, like I said, get big
ups to him.
He's been in.
You know he's been in what thewire?
Um, he's he's in a wire.
(20:12):
Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah, hesaid he's been in the know he's
been in what the wire, um, he's,he's in a wire.
Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah, hesaid he's been in the wire, he's
been.
I don't know if he was a kid orwhatever.
When he said, like I said, hetold me that and like I said, I
was like, oh, I don't know howhe's a filmmaker, though he's
like he's a lot of films,there's a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh yeah, what's the name hold?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
on.
I don't know how y'all wereable to keep the raps on Desi.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That, to me, that's the I felt like was going to be
the hardest part, because once Iseen Desi in the promos I was
like, oh, now he about to act afool, right, right right right.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
But y'all were able to keep him like, keep him calm,
like yeah keep him calm withouthaving him take over the movie
and turn it into a comedy.
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He was able Shout out to Desi Banks man.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm not Desi.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Banks my phone.
Damn Desi, alexander, desiAlexander, my bad, desi Shout
out to Desi Alexander man,Because, yeah, he did a really
great job with that Veryrelatable character.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
And Right right.
So that's why I'm likesometimes I'm like you gotta
shut up, bro, because there hasto be a movie.
Right, right, right right right.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know what I'm saying.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I'm like how y'all even let it get that far to the
point that everybody had a story.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
It has to be embellished too hard to have the
story.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And once again, that's why I'm like I loved as
much as there was stuff I likedand I didn't like.
I loved the storytelling.
It did what it was supposed todo.
I wanted more.
You know what I'm saying.
I I really wanted more becauseI wanted, like I said, I wanted
to see the woman's point of viewright, right right I wanted to
see the um, the kind of thewhole relationship, how it
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started right because one of thethings I wanted to see was
nigga, how you even get thisgirl if she don't even like you.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
For real Right right.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I need to know if you had the job, if you had the
money.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Right, and she was like obviously, obviously, yeah,
obviously he wasn't.
I know, oh, yeah, okay so, okay, so to answer that okay.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
So, to answer that, okay, so there's a thing in
writing that's called, and it'susually specifically for like
scenes, right?
So it says start in the middle,start in the middle and then
you end it.
Start in the middle and thenyou end it.
So, basically, like so exampleAll right, I'm calling you Ace,
(23:08):
right, I'm calling you Ace andI'm like hey, what's up, ace,
how are you doing?
And you're like hey, what's up,abdul, how are you doing?
Blah, blah, like no, we'regoing to start from the middle
of the conversation.
We're going to start this scenein the middle of the
conversation.
So I'm like so what are yougoing to do about it?
That's how.
(23:33):
So in this scene, thecorrelation I'm drawing now is
now things have, they've gone tolike whatever the history was,
whatever the backstory was,whatever it led up to that we're
in the middle now.
We're in the middle of likeit's over, the relationship is.
You know what I'm saying, andthat's how we start the story.
And so I understand you wouldlike, would like to have like a
(23:54):
backstory, but like well, what,what, what did he do to make her
feel this way?
And and what did she?
What did he do where she feelslike she can carry him that way,
but at the same time, it's likewe started at the middle so we
could tell the story, because ifwe go all the way, all the way
back to how that happened, thenit's like okay, well, maybe we
(24:17):
need a prequel, or whatever thecase may be no, I mean to me
like I feel like y'all are justset up for you, set off, yeah,
for a couple spin-offs onceagain you set off for the
women's point of view.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You set off for the prequel.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
You can be set off for thewomen's point of view.
You set off for the prequel.
You know what I'm saying youcan be set off for the sequel to
see how he treats his next girl.
Right, right, you know what I'msaying.
Excellent, hey, you know whatI'm saying.
Hey, I'll take a little writingcredit if you got one.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And actually I'm actually working on the pushover
two right now.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, I'm working on that now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So like it's going to be a little different, but
again, like I said, I wrote thisin 2011.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I told you Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah it was my very first script, so, like
where I am now is like leaps andbounds further as far as
thought process, understanding,writing, even like how we shot
it, shot it like we know what weneed to do to even improve it,
to make it even better.
You know, I'm sayingcinematically, so there's a lot
of things that that you know.
(25:20):
It was just it's steppingstones and and we're just taking
our time to like learn from howwe can improve, like learn and
see how we can improve and justbecome better filmmakers in
general.
So it's going to, aesthetically, it's going to look better, you
know, and and it's going tosound better.
The, the storytelling is goingto be even better.
(25:40):
It's going to it's going to bea lot more other nuances to it
To make it better, just a betterfilm altogether.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Nice.
I think another thing you gotto understand with Abdul is he's
an extreme guy when it comes totelling stories.
There's no like subtlety.
It always has to be somethinglike extreme.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You know what I mean.
Nah, bro, we African bro, wegot to tell a big story.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, that's what all the Nigerian movies.
Everything has to be.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
But I think that's one of the reasons why it turned
out the way it is, becausethat's part of Abdul's
personality he wants to drivehome his point really hard.
So I think that's one of thereasons why, you know, the movie
was like that.
I mean, I've known abdul sincelike 96, 97 you know what I mean
(26:37):
, so I I know where he's comingfrom, like the time when I was
just like yo, you sure, abdul,he's like yo, I'm telling you,
man all right, it's great, it'sgonna be epic yeah it's gonna be
all yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
So yeah, also d d murray.
Uh, you had some stuff that youwere working on, as you said.
You're talking about the, uh,the documentary stuff.
Um, there's a little projectyou you actually done, you know
as well.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
You could talk about that a little bit um about a
year ago I went to mali, africa,and I was there to really show
the process of handmade jewelryand leather goods.
So we were originally supposedto go to, uh, timbuktu, but
unfortunately in mali, in thenorthern part, it's it's like
really dangerous.
So we settled in the southernpart of mali and, um, we were
(27:29):
straight up in the desert.
Yeah, I mean, it was like 102degrees y'all weren't like yeah,
it was wild.
I was in my original garb andeverything and sweating, but not
because of yeah, that's, that's, that's something that people
don't know about, it's like,just because you're wrapped up
doesn't mean that you're hotyeah, there you go, linen people
(27:54):
, yeah, there you go americansdon't understand linen, yeah
unless you're in the caribbean.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, once again, that's not american just
appreciate linen for like bedsheets and stuff my wife is from
brazil, so like when we gotmarried down there, I I wore a
linen suit because it was hot.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
What part of Brazil?
Speaker 5 (28:16):
She's from Sao Paulo, the state of Sao Paulo, jacare
is the city.
It's like a suburb of Sao Paulo.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
That's nice.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I have a certain love for that I know I got love for
Brazil.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Oh, nice People that have been there.
They know how beautiful Brazilis.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Weather, the women, everything Shot some good stuff
down, some good content downthere, some good content.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I didn't shoot anything, I just kept everything
in the memory.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Nothing to incriminate himself.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm going to keep this right here.
Old school.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Old school.
I like it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Every time, you know, when Brazil is brought up.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I like light up, I'm like you know what I mean I need
to go.
I need to go, I don't know forsome different reasons, though I
know I was about to say youknow me, you know me.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
If you come from, a certain time period is very
important to you and however youwant to take that, however you
want to understand that, that'son you.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
For everybody that.
But yeah, yeah for people thatdon't know, rio is not Brazil.
It's not the only spot in.
Brazil.
There's so many other places.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So many.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That are just as beautiful.
So many, but I digress.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
I mean there's other places to check out.
I mean it's a big country, it'sbig.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But you said but, Darren, you said you were
working on that.
You're working on what?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, it's a documentary called the Art of
Friendship.
Okay, and as far as like thedocumentary, we pretty much was
pretty much checking out all thepeople like the Tuareg people.
Before I started the project, Ididn't know anything about the
Tuareg people.
The Tuareg people are folksthat are actually I'm sorry, but
(30:07):
yeah, these are nomadic peoplein Mali, Algeria.
It's huge.
The whole area is full ofTuareg people.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like the northern Africa and northeastern type
thing.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yep.
So yeah, I mean I was justthere and I made sure I showed
everybody what they do out thereas far as the arts and
everything, and it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How many generations too, man?
Eight generations, wow, yeah,that's amazing, that's dope and
everything, and it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
How many generations to man eight generations.
Wow, yeah, and we, like, westayed there for about six days
and we just looked at theprocess on how they made
handmade jewelry and leathergoods like they.
They melted the steel, theymelted silver and just made
rings and earrings and this andit was crazy and all by hand if
(30:59):
we went back.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
No man, what's the?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
call when.
When's that gonna drop?
Um, it's, it's out right nowit's all right, right now.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, we'll put the link.
We'll put the link on the video.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
We're going to link them all up.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
So it's out in the sense of it's in Festivals right
now.
So like within a year or so itwill be out, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
So yeah, we got, like you said, if we got a link.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
We'll put it up there .
You know all the info, all theD Mary info will be up on the
link, do you want?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
to talk about Regways , regways, regways, strong.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, go ahead, it's still early, it's still early
Abdul trying to leak some stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We're going to have to bring you back then.
We're going to have to bringyou back then.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm going to put it on you yeah, yeah, yeah, but no,
I mean it's coming, it's comingbut.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Abdul, you got anything.
You said push over too, butanything else.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, so I have several scripts right.
So I have a drama series that Ialready have the pilot for.
I'm writing some episodes tothat.
It's going to be pretty dope.
I have a full feature.
(32:14):
It's a romantic comedy and it'sI can't say the names right now
, but it's going to be.
So we're going to be.
Actually, the plan is to startshooting it in December, maybe
January, and what we're going todo is we're going to shoot a
proof of concept.
(32:35):
So it's going to be a shortfilm where we're going to
extract key points and stuff sopeople can understand what the
film is about.
And and and.
Then from there, we're going touse to use that as a catalyst
to um for funding, you know.
So we can shoot the fullfeature, but that that's going
to be pretty dope.
(32:55):
And then I have I got some somany other things that I've
written that you know and andand and.
These are things that I'vewritten, like you know, like
2020, 22, 2021 and all thatstuff in 2023.
Currently 2024 that I've I'vewritten where you could see like
my thought process and like howdeep I get as far as like when
(33:19):
it comes to writing.
You know the complexities andthe intricacies of like my
writing and stuff, so yeah, yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Yeah, so for for the pushover, you said you wrote it
in 2011 yes, yeah when did you?
Because I'm guessing there werethere's two segments to the
filming.
Basically, you filmed theactual movie and then you filmed
the different reaction videos.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, so, okay, okay, all right.
So I wrote it in 2011.
Okay, got it.
It was November in 2011.
In 2015, I was like, hey, oh,darren, let's shoot something.
You know what I'm saying.
And so it was a short.
That's what it was.
It was a short and, you know,at that time I didn't know
(34:04):
anything about structure,formatting or anything for like,
because there's a certainformat that you have to have
when you're writing a screenplay.
So, like, how I wrote it waslike like how you would write
like a play in, like elementary,junior high, you would like the
name um, colon, dialogue, name,colon, dialogue, brackets
(34:25):
that's the action and that's nothow you're supposed to write a
screenplay.
So and so that that was thefirst script and I was like yo.
So so in 2015, I was like yo,darren, uh, let's, let's shoot
it.
But before we did that, we hadlike a table read in dc, in
northeast, in northeast d.
We were at the library and itwas a bunch of friends of mine
(34:45):
and some people that I didn'tknow, that another person of
mine that I knew.
He brought everyone together.
And so we shot I mean not shotwe did a table read, and so
after that I was like oh, wow,okay.
And then I revamped it a bit.
And then from there, like lateron in 2015, we started shooting
(35:05):
.
But when we were shooting, atthat point in time, we had the
DSLR cameras and everything.
And you know, I had just boughtthese ARRI lights because these
were like.
These were like like studio,like film, studio lights, and I
got them used and everything.
And it was like these thousanddollar lights and we were them
used and everything.
And it was like these thousanddollar lights and we were so
excited.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
We're like yo still do damage with DSLR.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for
sure, for sure, for sure so andand and so and and and we didn't
know what we were doing, likeon us, like I'm not on us, but
on the cast and everything, andI like and I got people like
from like from work, co-workersand stuff like that, and next
(35:48):
door neighbor and was like hey,come on, we're gonna do a film
and and we're shooting it andand it looked like, um, it
looked like a game show orsomething like the lighting was
just bad.
You know, I'm saying it was.
Yeah, it just looked bad.
You know, I'm saying and it wasa learning experience, yeah it
was a learning experience.
Yeah, it was a learningexperience, right, and so we did
that in 2015.
People, kind of a couple people, fell off, whatever.
(36:09):
Then we recasted it with my man, james E Ingram, and then we
shot in 2016.
And then from there, james EIngram he's actually in the film
, he's the guy that plays Mark,he's like the best friend of
(36:30):
mike, so.
So, anyway, we shot it and itfell through again because it
was just like certain people,will you know, like when
someone's doing you a favor,when people feel like they're
doing you a favor, that theymight be like they're on their
own time, you know, I'm sayingso they're like yeah, I'll get
there, I'll you know, and allthose things yeah, I mean, yeah,
it was a budget, it was abudget situation.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I think we were just so hell-bent on doing this idea
and we were just like yo, let'sjust get some bodies that just
want to do this.
And we, after a while, we wereover it.
We were just like all right, Ithink we've graduated and we've
hit our head against the walland we're just like all right,
we got to get actors for this.
You know what I mean?
(37:05):
Like the people that were there, they loved us and we loved
them for them, just wanting tohelp us, but they weren't actors
.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
You know what I mean.
Sometimes you just need that,yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
so we had to get serious about the concept and we
just stopped doing it.
And I want to say, years laterAbdul was like yo, abdul did two
short films.
No, we did two short films.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, we did.
Eric helped on all of them.
Though.
Eric helped on all of them.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Don't shout this guy out.
Get his head bigger than hishead.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I'm on to shout this guy out.
Get his head bigger than all ofyou.
I'm on the board.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I want to say Abdul was just being a family man for
a while and he retooled, he gotmore equipment, he got more
lights and he was just like yo,let's start doing things again.
So we started doing things.
We did our first short film, wedid a second short film and
then when we got those two underour belts, he was like guess
(38:10):
what he's like we're gonna dothe pushover again.
I was like serious man he'slike he's like nah man.
Yeah, you know, he was like nahman, we gotta get different
actors.
And I was just like facts man,we gotta yeah, we gotta rebuild.
But he was hell bent on doingit because he was like nah man,
we got to get different actors.
No, it's just like facts man,we got to, yeah, we got to do it
.
But he was hell bent on doingit because he was just like yo,
I know it's a good story and wegot to execute this.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And it is a great story.
Ladies and gentlemen, thanky'all for coming through.
Thank y'all for coming through.
Thank y'all for blessing uswith the pushover out on Amazon.
You guys check it out right now.
Go see it, right now.
(38:52):
Check it out now If you don'thave an Amazon account get one,
go steal somebody's.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I don't know, hit up your friend, make sure you rate
it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Rate it five stars rate everything five stars, so
we can get money.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
we just got money, if you like and if you like the
pushover, like comment,subscribe.
Let us know how you feel aboutit.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Put it on the comments, they'll respond back.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
These gentlemen will also be here.
They will.
They will also be checking thecomments to see what y'all got
to say.
Tell them you love it, tellthem you hate it.
Whatever it is, they want thefeedback.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
We want the raw.
We want the raw yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
We want the feedback, yeah, absolute DMV.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Darren C Murray yes.
Abdul T Cisse yes, Gentlemen,thanks again.
Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Thank you.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Absolute
DMV Podcast.
It's your man, ace Boogie, andI'm here with a few good guys.
I'm here with my man, mark.
Hey, what's going on?
Everybody and my man, ego, onthe board.
I'm on the board.
We are joined with specialguests today.
Special special guests.
Yep, at this point, I, I'mgonna refer, I'm gonna refer to
(00:52):
them as film royalty.
Yes, we are here with the goodbrothers abdul t c say yeah, and
the good brother darren c.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yo give it up, give it up get it up, dmv owns, you
know, production company overhere, these guys.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
These gentlemen are joining us today, blessing us,
blessing the podcast, becausethey were able to do something
amazing for the DMV putting iton the map and all over.
I mean they're dropping a movie.
Putting it on the map and allover.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean they're dropping a movie, the Pushover.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
They already dropped it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, excuse me, they dropped the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I say they dropped the movie.
Yeah, it's dropped.
They dropped the movie.
It just dropped today on Amazon.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Gentlemen, yeah, amazon Prime Video yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Man tell us a little bit about the movie.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Okay, well, the Pushover is about a guy that
just got out of a badrelationship.
His friends hold interventionin hopes of keeping women from
walking all over him.
That's the name the Pushover,yeah, Okay, okay.
Narrative slash documentarywhere you see guys that are like
(02:06):
analyzed by, like other people,like whether it was a
barbershop braiding salon.
We have a professor at.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
George.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Washington University all over.
We did it in the East Coast andthe West Coast, and pretty much
what we do is we have thosepeople analyze the film, we show
them different segments of thefilm where there was conflict,
and then from there we recordedtheir reactions to the actual
scenes that they saw, and thenwe captured that in the film,
(02:37):
then we encompassed it in theactual film.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, I did like it Okay okay, I did like it.
I love the way that you guysshot it because it was very
interesting to be what halfalmost like reaction video,
(03:00):
Right right, it brought a littlebit of realism and 21st century
to it, because normally whenyou see a movie you react to it
in your own time and you tend towonder if other people may have
seen it the way I saw it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And you guys.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Gave it to them.
Yeah, you gave it to them.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But you basically allow people to come up with
their own thoughts with it andalso see what other people
thought about it, and a very,very large group of people, I
mean.
From what you said, you shot itin two different places, I mean
two different coasts.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So I saw that you guys, like you said, you had the
professor at GW, then you alsohad the um the panel yeah, with
the panel, and that was inValley Village in California.
Yeah, that's crazy tell meabout that.
How did you guys like come upwith?
Like come up with that?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
okay, all right.
So Darren, okay, so okay.
There's a film that Darren andI are very fond of.
It's by Tim Alexander.
He it's called Diary of a TiredBlack man, and that came out in
2005.
And so he did something similarin terms of the actual format,
(04:20):
where you have narrative, youmix narrative with documentary,
right, and so it was more so.
He was talking about a man thatwas just tired of a situation
and stuff like that.
So when we were shooting it,darren was just like, hey, you
know what, we should probablyadd that kind of element as well
as far as the documentaryversion of that and encompass it
(04:43):
and put themine intertwine thetwo worlds, and so that's pretty
much like the genesis of thatconcept.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, I think when it comes to filmmaking, I
specialize mostly in thedocumentary aspect.
I've always been that type ofperson that just loves
documentaries.
So, like when Abdul was did hisconcept, I was like you know
what it would be really dope toget somebody to, um, just speak
on it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like speak on the movie or speak on this actor?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yeah, I mean so, yeah , I think that, I think that was
really cool because, as aviewer, you know you have this
movie based around sort of youknow relationships and, in the
heat of the moment, interactionsand how it's being viewed by
people.
You know the people in the movieitself and then the people
reacting to the movie.
(05:36):
And I thought that was reallycool as a viewer of both of
those different pools ofreactions to sort of see.
As a viewer, you know there'sdifferent perspectives.
People in the movie havedifferent perspectives, Even the
reaction.
People are siding withdifferent people for different
reasons.
So as a viewer, it's kind ofcool to see, you know, that your
side is validated becauseeveryone's going to react to a
certain way.
People are going to agree to acertain extent with one side to
(05:57):
another side, to a certainextent they might not agree with
anyone on one side at all, butit's kind of cool because
everybody's reaction was kind ofcovered by someone in that.
So that was a cool, a cool wayas a viewer to sort of be like
oh, I identify with this reactorperson because no they're right
on the money.
No, this person's totally wrong.
You know, like that was cool tosee.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Thank you, thank you and uh, yeah, and the purpose of
that was to like, like tocreate discussion, to have like
water cooler talk.
So even like, when we had theirscreenings in LA, we had like a
red carpet in LA and then wehad a red carpet out here in DMV
in Green Boat.
While the film was going on,you could hear people talking
(06:38):
and chattering in between.
You know different scenesbecause of the documentary
portion.
It was the catalyst fordiscussion and that's what the
purpose was is to generatediscussion genius and it
definitely did no, it definitelydid.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Because, like I said, the way it was shot with
reaction video was it gave yousomething to to think about or
comment on.
Because you got to comment onthe movie like the actual film
portion, right, and you got tocomment on the commenters, right
right, yeah so you know whatI'm saying.
So it was like it was just oneof those things where it was
(07:17):
like this is a very, very coolway of it being shot.
Um, I there were some thingsabout the movie.
I liked and there were somethings about the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I didn't like Not to say.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I didn't like.
I was just like.
I just wonder.
It was left open ended.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And somebody like me.
I like to critique things, Ilike to break things down,
gotcha.
So what I liked about it themost is it actually is almost
like an educational video rightright it's something for the
young man out there tounderstand hey, this is what you
need to do in certain.
Don't be a bitch in yourrelationship yeah, you know what
(08:00):
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Don't be a bitch.
This is what you need to do inyour relationship set standards,
set boundaries?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
yes, because if you do that, you stand less of a
chance of these things happeningto you exactly, yeah yeah, so I
definitely definitely like thatbecause, even to see it, it
wasn't.
It wasn't shot with young menright, it was shot with older
gentlemen, so you know not evenolder gentlemen, right, not even
(08:25):
older gentlemen, but gentlemenof our age, right, right right
right.
So you know what I'm saying andif younger people to see that
they was like damn they goingthrough that too.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah man, everybody going through Right right, you
know what I'm saying so.
It was a very relatable thing.
It was a very relatable movie.
Yeah, absolutely.
I definitely like the way y'alldid that.
But one of my open endedquestions okay, things that left
me open-ended with the movieuh-huh was how come you guys did
not show the woman's point ofview.
Okay, all right.
(08:55):
So okay, you know what and thatthat to the ladies I'm gonna
hold y'all down, real quick,because when you see the movie,
y'all going to understand whyyou don't need to be held down.
But I'm going to hold y'alldown real quick.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
And that's a great question and I appreciate that.
So we have a lot of films,right, or podcasts, whatever the
case may be, that speaks from awoman's point of view, right,
and so this was something that Iwas like, well, let me see from
a guy's point of view, right,and so this was something that I
was like, well, let me see froma guy's point of view.
So this film, I actually wrotethe screenplay back in 2011.
(09:35):
No, no, no, no, yeah, 2011.
I wrote it in 2011.
And it was actually like my veryfirst script and it was based
on people that I knew personallythat went through similar not
exactly, but similar situations,relationships where I was like
(10:07):
where's that voice for that, forthat male, that that needs,
that needs, that um, that lightshine on that person, right, and
so today, you know they callthat, they call it, you know the
pushover, they call it a simp,right, so, so it's just speaking
through that lens, opposed tojust saying all right, because,
because, because, if you, if youask, like majority of men,
they'll be like ah, I run things, I run things, all this bravado
(10:28):
, but there are people that gothrough it and it could be
because you're in a relationshipand you love the girl so much
and you let certain things slide.
It could be a situation whereyou moved into a woman's place
and, because it's her place, youhave to hold your tongue on
certain things.
It's so.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's so many different factors and variables
that that you could look at andand they just they're not
touched on, touched upon, sothat's why I wrote it yeah, okay
and and I think that it wasreally cool to see also that
obviously the panels of peoplewho are reacting, a lot of them
is very mixed, so you have, youknow, male, both male and female
perspectives in there, right,and it was kind of cool to see
(11:09):
the difference of just how manyyou know females were siding
with.
You know, the, the, the maleprotagonists in the story.
Yeah, seeing like, well, thatsituation is crazy, or like, or
he should have done this or heshould have, he should have done
what they're saying, but inthis way right so it's very cool
to see that, that differentperspective, um I think that you
(11:31):
know there there were somescenes in there that were really
cool and spoke to a lot, notjust sort of being sort of
pushed over, um, you know, butalso just sort of a toxic
relationship and like how to setboundaries in that and when
something's toxic?
When is the limit of like aboundary, because you don't want
it to get too far?
Where then it's a blow-upreaction but like where's the
gentle boundary?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
exactly, I think, uh, I think what, while we were
filming it, there was one sceneand I don't want to get too much
into it but uh, there was onescene that was happening and I
was like, ah, is this realistic?
And even when I was even scenethat was happening and I was
like, ah, is this realistic.
And even when I was cutting it.
It was really over the top.
And I talked to Abdul on thephone and I was just like yo, is
(12:15):
this?
Are you sure this is like thishappens, man?
Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's weird because didn't we just talk like that
man, like so?
You know what I'm saying.
It's weird because didn't wejust talk about.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
The funniest part is I'm looking at him and I'm like
I I know what part you'retalking about, see, and I just
and I hope we're on the same,because yeah because there was
one part of the movie wherehomie was going, homie was going
eight, and I was just like yeah, and I was just like I was just
(12:45):
looking at it, like bro, itcan't go down like this right
but this is and and, but that'show I was feeling
but it needed.
But the funniest part about itis it needed to go down like
that.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yes, for giving the situation that he was going
through and how he needed to setthese boundaries, just taking a
serious L in that yeah and itwas, so it was so flagrant in
front of everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I was just like no, bro, I was, and and that was the
one, and that was okay.
That's, that's the main thing Ididn't like, right, right, that
I was just like.
Yo y'all picked the three mostegregious things a woman could
do to a man.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Right, right right.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's how I felt when I was cutting it.
I mean, like I said, I read thescript and I was just like damn
, that's crazy man.
And then just shooting it andthen seeing it in front of your
face, seeing it in front of yourface, bro, and then after that
(13:50):
you have to cut it to make itlook so good, but like so over
the top.
I mean I was proud of what Idid and what we, and what we did
right but I was just like dang,no, no, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So now y'all did a great.
That's what I'm saying.
Y'all did a great job becausethat's the part of that, I feel
like that's the great part aboutfilmmaking that people tend to
forget.
Is that filmmaking,storytelling, is meant to evoke
emotion?
Yes, so the fact that I didn'tlike things and then I did like
(14:20):
things lets me know that y'alldid the job that you were
supposed to do because if itjust would have been one solid
emotion of you know what I'msaying because that's why,
that's why I was like.
That's why I was like.
That's the why I said I didn'tlike it, because it was so
egregious what she was doingthat it was like we have to be
(14:42):
against her, and that's why.
That's why I even led with thefirst question of that.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It was like bro we have to be against her.
You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.
We have to be against her.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And that's why I even led with the first question of
why didn't you tell it from thewoman's side, Because what she
was doing was so crazy that wehad to see her side Like it had
to be Right.
I know Like people just don'tact like this, just to be like
this.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
But you know what I'm going to, okay, and I'm going
to tell you, okay, I knowsituations that are worse
personally and when I saypersonally, I'm not talking
about like me, but stories thatI've heard People getting locked
up because of.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I mean it gets real.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
So when Darren was telling me and that scene that
you're talking about, uh, darrenwas like did this happen?
I was like yo, I know thingsthat are worse, worse so, so
what I'm so, so what I'm whatI'm talking about.
It's like stuff that's kind oftoned down from what I actually,
because I I couldn't, I couldnot put things in that from
(15:47):
because people told me things inconfidence, I couldn't put that
in the film Like, oh yo, why'dhe do me like that?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He didn't want to go gutter on it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I know things, situations, scenarios.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
He didn't want to go, bet, yeah, he wanted to keep it
.
He wanted to keep it.
He wanted to If he would havekilled her.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What was the movie?
What was the movie?
The Best man yeah.
Where the homie wrote the bookyeah, I knew what was going on
in the book.
I can't have one of those.
You're the best man, yourhomies yeah.
So I'm not going to out anybody.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And it's like there's scenarios that I kid you, not
that you would not believe.
You would not believe, and youwould Because of that situation
being in love, and maybe theydon't, maybe that person the
other person's the breadwinner,and then he feels like he has to
(16:36):
hold his tongue because hedoesn't.
You know what I'm saying.
I mean, I've seen situationsbad, bro, I'm talking about bad.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
It's like the choosing to ignore stuff and
prioritizing other stuff, andthen it's almost like it speaks
to.
I think anybody can identifywith it, regardless of like if
you're in a relationship or ifyou're single.
If you're male, you're female,because it's almost like when
someone says something thatbothers you, yeah, and in that
moment you don't react to it orcheck it.
You have that moment when youget home and you're driving home
(17:05):
being like, damn, that reallybothered me I should have said
something yeah, that reallypissed me off, yeah.
And then you have thatself-loathing a bit, because
you're like I should've stuffedup for myself, I should've said
something, even if it wasn'tlike checking a full thing, I
should've just set some type ofboundary.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So it's kind of like being a pushover, getting pushed
over.
In this case, I should've.
I should've punched thatmotherfucker in his mouth.
No, that scene was egregious.
It's crazy, because that's theonly word I can think of.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right, right, right it's just egregious, because I'm
like.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I don't know how, as a man, you sit back and calmly
deal with that.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Right right, right right.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, because that's like I said.
Half the time I was watchingthe movie I was like this guy
isn't a pushover, he's a coldbitch.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But you know what.
So, okay, back to what you weresaying about evoking emotion,
right?
So when you're writing anarrative and it's fiction,
right, it's fictional, but it'sbased off of things that could
happen or could you got to, youhave to embellish it, right, you
have to embellish a bit, right?
So there are certain thingsthat, like I said, I've seen
(18:18):
things and I've heard of thingsthat are worse, but there's
certain things where, in orderfor the story to work, he has to
be this passive type of guywhere it builds up and and then
you know the situations whereyou know he might, he, he might,
may or may not be out of workand and and he's got to kind of
(18:38):
hold it and he's kind of holdinghis tongue, so there's.
So there's certain thingsthat's happening in that
situation where he wants, he maywant to do something, but he's
just like this, just like thismight get out of hand.
You know what I'm saying.
So, again, there's a bit ofembellishments, but at the same
(19:01):
time, it's supposed to evoke afeeling you know what I'm saying
and the feeling whether it'sangst, whether you're upset with
him for not stepping up, you'reupset with her for going too
hard on him, wherever that maybe.
That's what I want.
I want a reaction.
I want a reaction.
(19:22):
So, if you don't rock with him,you don't rock with her.
You like him, you don't likeher.
You're sympathetic to her,whatever.
I want to hear all of it and Iwant to hit all those chords.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I think that's hear all of it and I want to hit
all those chords and I thinkthat's how you cut it.
I mean, I don't know if you andDarren you pretty much, even
when you were talking about thehand how you cut to the hand
grabbing and they would walkwith hands.
I was like this mother?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, because I was like see, they did that on
purpose, they did that onpurpose.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Like yo, come with me , Come to my.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
yeah, that's the thing about, like I see what you
did.
You did a lot of cuts likearound to make him like I, this
motherfucker, yeah, even alan,like I said, even um the person
who actually played mike, um,he's really good like alvin gray
.
Yeah, alvin gray, alvin alvingray and, like I said, get big
ups to him.
He's been in.
You know he's been in what thewire?
Um, he's he's in a wire.
(20:12):
Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah, hesaid he's been in the know he's
been in what the wire, um, he's,he's in a wire.
Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah, hesaid he's been in the wire, he's
been.
I don't know if he was a kid orwhatever.
When he said, like I said, hetold me that and like I said, I
was like, oh, I don't know howhe's a filmmaker, though he's
like he's a lot of films,there's a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh yeah, what's the name hold?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
on.
I don't know how y'all wereable to keep the raps on Desi.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That, to me, that's the I felt like was going to be
the hardest part, because once Iseen Desi in the promos I was
like, oh, now he about to act afool, right, right right right.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
But y'all were able to keep him like, keep him calm,
like yeah keep him calm withouthaving him take over the movie
and turn it into a comedy.
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He was able Shout out to Desi Banks man.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm not Desi.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Banks my phone.
Damn Desi, alexander, desiAlexander, my bad, desi Shout
out to Desi Alexander man,Because, yeah, he did a really
great job with that Veryrelatable character.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
And Right right.
So that's why I'm likesometimes I'm like you gotta
shut up, bro, because there hasto be a movie.
Right, right, right right right.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know what I'm saying.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I'm like how y'all even let it get that far to the
point that everybody had a story.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
It has to be embellished too hard to have the
story.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And once again, that's why I'm like I loved as
much as there was stuff I likedand I didn't like.
I loved the storytelling.
It did what it was supposed todo.
I wanted more.
You know what I'm saying.
I I really wanted more becauseI wanted, like I said, I wanted
to see the woman's point of viewright, right right I wanted to
see the um, the kind of thewhole relationship, how it
(22:25):
started right because one of thethings I wanted to see was
nigga, how you even get thisgirl if she don't even like you.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
For real Right right.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I need to know if you had the job, if you had the
money.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Right, and she was like obviously, obviously, yeah,
obviously he wasn't.
I know, oh, yeah, okay so, okay, so to answer that okay.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
So, to answer that, okay, so there's a thing in
writing that's called, and it'susually specifically for like
scenes, right?
So it says start in the middle,start in the middle and then
you end it.
Start in the middle and thenyou end it.
So, basically, like so exampleAll right, I'm calling you Ace,
(23:08):
right, I'm calling you Ace andI'm like hey, what's up, ace,
how are you doing?
And you're like hey, what's up,abdul, how are you doing?
Blah, blah, like no, we'regoing to start from the middle
of the conversation.
We're going to start this scenein the middle of the
conversation.
So I'm like so what are yougoing to do about it?
That's how.
(23:33):
So in this scene, thecorrelation I'm drawing now is
now things have, they've gone tolike whatever the history was,
whatever the backstory was,whatever it led up to that we're
in the middle now.
We're in the middle of likeit's over, the relationship is.
You know what I'm saying, andthat's how we start the story.
And so I understand you wouldlike, would like to have like a
(23:54):
backstory, but like well, what,what, what did he do to make her
feel this way?
And and what did she?
What did he do where she feelslike she can carry him that way,
but at the same time, it's likewe started at the middle so we
could tell the story, because ifwe go all the way, all the way
back to how that happened, thenit's like okay, well, maybe we
(24:17):
need a prequel, or whatever thecase may be no, I mean to me
like I feel like y'all are justset up for you, set off, yeah,
for a couple spin-offs onceagain you set off for the
women's point of view.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You set off for the prequel.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
You can be set off for thewomen's point of view.
You set off for the prequel.
You know what I'm saying youcan be set off for the sequel to
see how he treats his next girl.
Right, right, you know what I'msaying.
Excellent, hey, you know whatI'm saying.
Hey, I'll take a little writingcredit if you got one.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And actually I'm actually working on the pushover
two right now.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, I'm working on that now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So like it's going to be a little different, but
again, like I said, I wrote thisin 2011.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I told you Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah it was my very first script, so, like
where I am now is like leaps andbounds further as far as
thought process, understanding,writing, even like how we shot
it, shot it like we know what weneed to do to even improve it,
to make it even better.
You know, I'm sayingcinematically, so there's a lot
of things that that you know.
(25:20):
It was just it's steppingstones and and we're just taking
our time to like learn from howwe can improve, like learn and
see how we can improve and justbecome better filmmakers in
general.
So it's going to, aesthetically, it's going to look better, you
know, and and it's going tosound better.
The, the storytelling is goingto be even better.
(25:40):
It's going to it's going to bea lot more other nuances to it
To make it better, just a betterfilm altogether.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Nice.
I think another thing you gotto understand with Abdul is he's
an extreme guy when it comes totelling stories.
There's no like subtlety.
It always has to be somethinglike extreme.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You know what I mean.
Nah, bro, we African bro, wegot to tell a big story.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, that's what all the Nigerian movies.
Everything has to be.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
But I think that's one of the reasons why it turned
out the way it is, becausethat's part of Abdul's
personality he wants to drivehome his point really hard.
So I think that's one of thereasons why, you know, the movie
was like that.
I mean, I've known abdul sincelike 96, 97 you know what I mean
(26:37):
, so I I know where he's comingfrom, like the time when I was
just like yo, you sure, abdul,he's like yo, I'm telling you,
man all right, it's great, it'sgonna be epic yeah it's gonna be
all yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
So yeah, also d d murray.
Uh, you had some stuff that youwere working on, as you said.
You're talking about the, uh,the documentary stuff.
Um, there's a little projectyou you actually done, you know
as well.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
You could talk about that a little bit um about a
year ago I went to mali, africa,and I was there to really show
the process of handmade jewelryand leather goods.
So we were originally supposedto go to, uh, timbuktu, but
unfortunately in mali, in thenorthern part, it's it's like
really dangerous.
So we settled in the southernpart of mali and, um, we were
(27:29):
straight up in the desert.
Yeah, I mean, it was like 102degrees y'all weren't like yeah,
it was wild.
I was in my original garb andeverything and sweating, but not
because of yeah, that's, that's, that's something that people
don't know about, it's like,just because you're wrapped up
doesn't mean that you're hotyeah, there you go, linen people
(27:54):
, yeah, there you go americansdon't understand linen, yeah
unless you're in the caribbean.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, once again, that's not american just
appreciate linen for like bedsheets and stuff my wife is from
brazil, so like when we gotmarried down there, I I wore a
linen suit because it was hot.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
What part of Brazil?
Speaker 5 (28:16):
She's from Sao Paulo, the state of Sao Paulo, jacare
is the city.
It's like a suburb of Sao Paulo.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
That's nice.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I have a certain love for that I know I got love for
Brazil.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Oh, nice People that have been there.
They know how beautiful Brazilis.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Weather, the women, everything Shot some good stuff
down, some good content downthere, some good content.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I didn't shoot anything, I just kept everything
in the memory.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Nothing to incriminate himself.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm going to keep this right here.
Old school.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Old school.
I like it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Every time, you know, when Brazil is brought up.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I like light up, I'm like you know what I mean I need
to go.
I need to go, I don't know forsome different reasons, though I
know I was about to say youknow me, you know me.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
If you come from, a certain time period is very
important to you and however youwant to take that, however you
want to understand that, that'son you.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
For everybody that.
But yeah, yeah for people thatdon't know, rio is not Brazil.
It's not the only spot in.
Brazil.
There's so many other places.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So many.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That are just as beautiful.
So many, but I digress.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
I mean there's other places to check out.
I mean it's a big country, it'sbig.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But you said but, Darren, you said you were
working on that.
You're working on what?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, it's a documentary called the Art of
Friendship.
Okay, and as far as like thedocumentary, we pretty much was
pretty much checking out all thepeople like the Tuareg people.
Before I started the project, Ididn't know anything about the
Tuareg people.
The Tuareg people are folksthat are actually I'm sorry, but
(30:07):
yeah, these are nomadic peoplein Mali, Algeria.
It's huge.
The whole area is full ofTuareg people.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like the northern Africa and northeastern type
thing.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yep.
So yeah, I mean I was justthere and I made sure I showed
everybody what they do out thereas far as the arts and
everything, and it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How many generations too, man?
Eight generations, wow, yeah,that's amazing, that's dope and
everything, and it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
How many generations to man eight generations.
Wow, yeah, and we, like, westayed there for about six days
and we just looked at theprocess on how they made
handmade jewelry and leathergoods like they.
They melted the steel, theymelted silver and just made
rings and earrings and this andit was crazy and all by hand if
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we went back.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
No man, what's the?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
call when.
When's that gonna drop?
Um, it's, it's out right nowit's all right, right now.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, we'll put the link.
We'll put the link on the video.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
We're going to link them all up.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
So it's out in the sense of it's in Festivals right
now.
So like within a year or so itwill be out, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
So yeah, we got, like you said, if we got a link.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
We'll put it up there .
You know all the info, all theD Mary info will be up on the
link, do you want?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
to talk about Regways , regways, regways, strong.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, go ahead, it's still early, it's still early
Abdul trying to leak some stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We're going to have to bring you back then.
We're going to have to bringyou back then.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm going to put it on you yeah, yeah, yeah, but no,
I mean it's coming, it's comingbut.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Abdul, you got anything.
You said push over too, butanything else.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, so I have several scripts right.
So I have a drama series that Ialready have the pilot for.
I'm writing some episodes tothat.
It's going to be pretty dope.
I have a full feature.
(32:14):
It's a romantic comedy and it'sI can't say the names right now
, but it's going to be.
So we're going to be.
Actually, the plan is to startshooting it in December, maybe
January, and what we're going todo is we're going to shoot a
proof of concept.
(32:35):
So it's going to be a shortfilm where we're going to
extract key points and stuff sopeople can understand what the
film is about.
And and and.
Then from there, we're going touse to use that as a catalyst
to um for funding, you know.
So we can shoot the fullfeature, but that that's going
to be pretty dope.
(32:55):
And then I have I got some somany other things that I've
written that you know and andand and.
These are things that I'vewritten, like you know, like
2020, 22, 2021 and all thatstuff in 2023.
Currently 2024 that I've I'vewritten where you could see like
my thought process and like howdeep I get as far as like when
(33:19):
it comes to writing.
You know the complexities andthe intricacies of like my
writing and stuff, so yeah, yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Yeah, so for for the pushover, you said you wrote it
in 2011 yes, yeah when did you?
Because I'm guessing there werethere's two segments to the
filming.
Basically, you filmed theactual movie and then you filmed
the different reaction videos.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, so, okay, okay, all right.
So I wrote it in 2011.
Okay, got it.
It was November in 2011.
In 2015, I was like, hey, oh,darren, let's shoot something.
You know what I'm saying.
And so it was a short.
That's what it was.
It was a short and, you know,at that time I didn't know
(34:04):
anything about structure,formatting or anything for like,
because there's a certainformat that you have to have
when you're writing a screenplay.
So, like, how I wrote it waslike like how you would write
like a play in, like elementary,junior high, you would like the
name um, colon, dialogue, name,colon, dialogue, brackets
(34:25):
that's the action and that's nothow you're supposed to write a
screenplay.
So and so that that was thefirst script and I was like yo.
So so in 2015, I was like yo,darren, uh, let's, let's shoot
it.
But before we did that, we hadlike a table read in dc, in
northeast, in northeast d.
We were at the library and itwas a bunch of friends of mine
(34:45):
and some people that I didn'tknow, that another person of
mine that I knew.
He brought everyone together.
And so we shot I mean not shotwe did a table read, and so
after that I was like oh, wow,okay.
And then I revamped it a bit.
And then from there, like lateron in 2015, we started shooting
(35:05):
.
But when we were shooting, atthat point in time, we had the
DSLR cameras and everything.
And you know, I had just boughtthese ARRI lights because these
were like.
These were like like studio,like film, studio lights, and I
got them used and everything.
And it was like these thousanddollar lights and we were them
used and everything.
And it was like these thousanddollar lights and we were so
excited.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
We're like yo still do damage with DSLR.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for
sure, for sure, for sure so andand and so and and and we didn't
know what we were doing, likeon us, like I'm not on us, but
on the cast and everything, andI like and I got people like
from like from work, co-workersand stuff like that, and next
(35:48):
door neighbor and was like hey,come on, we're gonna do a film
and and we're shooting it andand it looked like, um, it
looked like a game show orsomething like the lighting was
just bad.
You know, I'm saying it was.
Yeah, it just looked bad.
You know, I'm saying and it wasa learning experience, yeah it
was a learning experience.
Yeah, it was a learningexperience, right, and so we did
that in 2015.
People, kind of a couple people, fell off, whatever.
(36:09):
Then we recasted it with my man, james E Ingram, and then we
shot in 2016.
And then from there, james EIngram he's actually in the film
, he's the guy that plays Mark,he's like the best friend of
(36:30):
mike, so.
So, anyway, we shot it and itfell through again because it
was just like certain people,will you know, like when
someone's doing you a favor,when people feel like they're
doing you a favor, that theymight be like they're on their
own time, you know, I'm sayingso they're like yeah, I'll get
there, I'll you know, and allthose things yeah, I mean, yeah,
it was a budget, it was abudget situation.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I think we were just so hell-bent on doing this idea
and we were just like yo, let'sjust get some bodies that just
want to do this.
And we, after a while, we wereover it.
We were just like all right, Ithink we've graduated and we've
hit our head against the walland we're just like all right,
we got to get actors for this.
You know what I mean?
(37:05):
Like the people that were there, they loved us and we loved
them for them, just wanting tohelp us, but they weren't actors
.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
You know what I mean.
Sometimes you just need that,yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
so we had to get serious about the concept and we
just stopped doing it.
And I want to say, years laterAbdul was like yo, abdul did two
short films.
No, we did two short films.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, we did.
Eric helped on all of them.
Though.
Eric helped on all of them.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Don't shout this guy out.
Get his head bigger than hishead.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I'm on to shout this guy out.
Get his head bigger than all ofyou.
I'm on the board.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I want to say Abdul was just being a family man for
a while and he retooled, he gotmore equipment, he got more
lights and he was just like yo,let's start doing things again.
So we started doing things.
We did our first short film, wedid a second short film and
then when we got those two underour belts, he was like guess
(38:10):
what he's like we're gonna dothe pushover again.
I was like serious man he'slike he's like nah man.
Yeah, you know, he was like nahman, we gotta get different
actors.
And I was just like facts man,we gotta yeah, we gotta rebuild.
But he was hell bent on doingit because he was like nah man,
we got to get different actors.
No, it's just like facts man,we got to, yeah, we got to do it
.
But he was hell bent on doingit because he was just like yo,
I know it's a good story and wegot to execute this.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And it is a great story.
Ladies and gentlemen, thanky'all for coming through.
Thank y'all for coming through.
Thank y'all for blessing uswith the pushover out on Amazon.
You guys check it out right now.
Go see it, right now.
(38:52):
Check it out now If you don'thave an Amazon account get one,
go steal somebody's.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I don't know, hit up your friend, make sure you rate
it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Rate it five stars rate everything five stars, so
we can get money.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
we just got money, if you like and if you like the
pushover, like comment,subscribe.
Let us know how you feel aboutit.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Put it on the comments, they'll respond back.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
These gentlemen will also be here.
They will.
They will also be checking thecomments to see what y'all got
to say.
Tell them you love it, tellthem you hate it.
Whatever it is, they want thefeedback.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
We want the raw.
We want the raw yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
We want the feedback, yeah, absolute DMV.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Darren C Murray yes.
Abdul T Cisse yes, Gentlemen,thanks again.
Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Thank you.
Thank you, gentlemen.
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