May 16, 2024 • 31 mins
As the echoes of Marc's poignant melodies from the Armenian Genocide commemoration in D.C. still resonate, we bring you a stirring conversation that delves into the heart of remembrance and the shadows of historical denial. Joined by this vibrant rapper and activist, our dialogue transcends mere reflection, confronting the often-unspoken political maneuvering that shrouds our understanding of the past.
Shifting to a beat of a different drum, the episode takes an unexpected turn into the digital realm where AI has begun spitting bars that could rival rap legends.. Tune in as we grapple with these complex issues, offering insights that might just change the way you listen to the next chart-topping hit. Also talking about Devin Haney vs. Ryan Garcia Boxing match contested in the super lightweight division between the WBC super lightweight champion.
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
DMV.
Welcome everybody to anotherepisode of the Absolute DMV
Podcast.
It's your man, ace Boogie.
I'm here with a few good guys.
I'm here with my man, mark.
Hey, what's going on?
My man A-Train.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm right here, anytime, anyplace.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
My man Swank Yo what up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And my good man Ego, on the boards.
You know I'm right here anytime, anyplace.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
My man Swank Yo what up.
And my good man Ego on theboards.
You know, what's going on,gentlemen?
How y'all doing, how y'allfeeling, good, good, good,
fantastic.
I love it Okay.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
All right.
I love lamb.
Do you really love it or areyou just saying you love it
because you see it?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
LAMP, lamp.
But yeah, it was a good weekend, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean Everybody had a good weekend.
I mean mine was nice andrelaxing.
You know I did the 420 thing,but I did it in the crib.
You didn't do what everybodyelse did, bro've.
I've done it for so long thatit's to a certain extent it's
like drinking holidays, it'slike amateur hour, so I don't
really even want to be out there.
(01:33):
So you know, every day is 420exactly.
You know that's how I live mylife, so it's a wonderful thing.
But that was my weekend.
Like I said, I kept it chill.
You know what about y'all?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, Well, this weekend I was out Actually
stopped by One of my Somebodythat I know it's called.
It's a spot called Sweet SweetKitchen.
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It's a Sierra Leonean spotOwned by Sierra Leonean.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, nice Speaking of that.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
My neighbors?
Yeah, true that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
My neighbors?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, true that my neighbors.
So I had the crane crane,that's the name of the dish Very
, very tasteful, spicy.
You can eat it with rice and itis the Sierra Leonean
Independence this weekend on the27th as well.
Big ups, big ups to our SierraLeonean brothers and sisters,
shout out, shout out, shout outand then the restaurant is
(02:25):
called Sweet Sweet Kitchen.
Check it out.
It's on 8th Street.
Oh nice, I can't remember thefull address, but We'll put it
on the link.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We'll put it on Nice.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, I was just in DC yesterday.
Yesterday was April 24th.
It's the commemoration of theArmenian Genocide.
That's the date that theArmenian Genocide started, so
it's the 109th anniversary of it.
And you know, the perpetrator,Ottoman Empire, modern-day
Turkey, still has denied it andthere's a lot of, you know,
ongoing denial and continuedpersecution against Armenians
(02:55):
across the world and in thediaspora, but mostly at home and
in Turkey and everything.
So it's you know we're marchingevery year and trying to raise
awareness and hopefully have,you know, government sort of not
just sort of acknowledge it,which all 50 states
independently have, andPresident Biden being the first
sitting president to acknowledgeit, but also actually put that
(03:16):
into policy and pressure to, youknow, actually get some
acknowledgement from theperpetrator itself how big was
the crowd.
It was a good.
It was a good crowd, I meanlike a couple hundred people for
sure, and we marched from theAzerbaijani embassy down on sort
of consulate row, embassy row,all the way down to Lafayette
Plaza at the White House, andthen we had a big sort of
(03:38):
commemoration and speaking andeverything.
Yeah, there were speakers.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You said speakers, or just like pretty much everybody
was talking or just hanging out.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yeah, no, there's some speakers.
You said speakers or just likepretty much everybody was
talking or just hanging out.
Yeah, no, there were somespeakers.
Yeah for sure, definitelypeople giving some you know some
speaker sort of speeches aboutwhat's going on.
I think there was a senatorthere who spoke as well and sort
of voicing support.
And yeah, no, there's everyyear they do that.
Armenians all across the worldcommemorate it and you know I
(04:05):
have a song about the Armeniangenocide which is being used in
schools.
So I've been able to perform atsome of these events in the
past in Times Square and atMarch for Justice out in LA, and
a few times here at theLafayette Plaza in DC.
But, yeah, armenians just allover the world acknowledge that
and that's a very important dayfor us.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What's the date?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
April 24th, which is the day that the ottoman empire
sort of rounded up all theleaders of the armenians, the
you know, the politicians, uh,you know uh clergy and everyone,
and they just kind of got the,the leaders, out of the way
first before starting in oneveryone else.
So it's the, the day of the,the start of the of the genocide
.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay, I'm sorry this is going to probably sound
really ignorant because I mightbe just stupid.
How do you deny a genocide?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, well, it's so.
There's a whole lot ofscholarly research about it.
Ottoman Empire, afteressentially in many ways sort of
achieving what they had meantto do, which was exterminating
about 1.5 million Armenians,over 800,000 Greeks and then
about 350,000 Assyrians andother indigenous groups, and
(05:18):
seizing a huge amount of land toconsolidate their crumbling
empire and give themselves whatis now the region of Turkey
They've just edited I mean,internet wasn't around, but
they're currently editing theinternet.
They're teaching a falsecurriculum in their school and
sort of fostering this level ofhatred towards other minorities
(05:39):
and non-Turkic people in thatarea.
Also, the fact that they're in asemi-politically gray area of
power, being, you know, a NATOmember, even though they're not
in the North or the Atlantic,but they're in NATO.
They're a valuable ally to alot of Western countries being
in that sort of Middle Easternregion, which gives them a lot
of sway to sort of say we'regoing to do what we want to do
(06:01):
and teach what we want to teach,despite you know whatever you
think you know.
So that puts the US and otherWestern countries, while they
disagree with it, in kind of atough position, because they're
trying to, you know, wind downthese wars in the Middle East
that you know, we ran into allof a sudden in the early 2000s
and they're a valuable ally,which is unfortunate.
Okay All right Damn.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I mean, that's just the synopsis of where we are
right now.
Just a little bit of it Deep,yeah, thank you.
Thank you, professor Mark.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
This has been another history lesson.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And not to take it and be like that but at the same
time.
It's one of those things whereit's like we got to understand
why they can't change.
Can't change, not, I don't wantto say change history, but stop
teaching certain things.
Yeah, because that is a veryeasy way to deny, and you know
what I'm saying.
Like history, so if they can doit to you guys, imagine what
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they can do to anyone else 100it's just one of those things
where it's just like we got tobe very careful about, you know,
I guess, the education, what,what kids know, I mean what
people know, because even therewas what there was.
One time I've seen tom hankssay something like he didn't
(07:19):
even know about the tulsamassacre.
Yeah, so, um.
So it's like when, like whenyou hear things like that,
someone who I'm sure is a veryintelligent man, very well
traveled, and he's educated yeahyou know what I'm saying Very
well traveled, everything likethat.
To not hear about his ownhistory is one of those things.
(07:40):
It's baffling.
And so you know, it's just likeI said.
It's just one of those thingswhere you got a very.
You gotta be very careful aboutit, but um well, that's.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
That's also something that I remember as a kid
growing up in the 90s.
You know, here in montgomerycounty the school system is very
good, um, in comparison to alot of other counties in other
states.
But even then I remember onlylearning about the civil rights
era and certain aspects of likeputting martin luther king and
praising him for the work he did, which is fantastic, but we
never heard about the reallyrough stuff which sort of
(08:09):
painted white people in thattime era in a bad light, which
is just the truth of what it was.
So the pick and choose sort ofnarrative, you know that could
lead to Tom Hanks, you knowwho's gone to high school, gone
to college, but never learnedabout Tulsa, because that's a
page you know, and we see thiswith the Native Americans and
the indigenous.
It's kind of like Rage Againstthe Machine.
They say who controls the pastcontrols the future.
(08:30):
Who controls the presentcontrols the past.
So whoever is in power nowcontrols the narrative of what
was in the past and thatdetermines the future by what
people are learning and whatthey know.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Absolutely Speaking of long-winded no no no, no, no,
no.
That's great, but, like you,also performed as well.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of breath control
for that I got to be long-windedfor that, that's all.
I'm saying I see the segue, Isee the dots connect.
Yeah, no, I did a performanceunrelated to the Armenian
Genocide commemoration.
That was on Saturday at theconcert to end fossil fuels.
So another really importantcause, down actually in DC as
well, down on the National Mall,right in front of the
(09:15):
Washington Monument.
So, yeah, no, shout out to theyouth organizations that put
that together and Fridays forfuture DC.
So it's a very important causeJust keeping our planet healthy
and ending fossil fuel for thenext generation to have a
healthy, sustainable planet tolive on.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
While people are smoking blunts outside.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
At the same time, it's from the Earth.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I was about to say that is not a fossil fuel.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's not giving off bad emissions in the air.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
See, that's not the issue.
The issue was at the same timewhere we got the youth giving
passionate speeches aboutpreserving that.
You got the Red Bull F1 thinghappening, where they have the
race car just driving up anddown.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Pennsylvania Avenue.
That was huge Doing burnouts.
Blame me, but you don't want tosay nothing about that right.
I wasn't blaming you and youknow those race cars probably
get like three miles to thegallon.
Honestly, it's justresponsibility I do take
responsibility for me and all myfellow 420 partakers.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Okay.
Was that performance a one-offor was it something that you're
going to do on a regular basisor yearly?
Is this something that you'regoing?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
to do on a regular basis or yearly.
You know, right now it's just aone-off.
I was blessed to connect withthem, but they're really cool
people and yeah, no, I had agood time, so I'd definitely be
happy to do that again, for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I was lit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Blessings, blessings, Well, even with that.
So my man performed, killed iton the stage Hip-hop we got some
more hip-hop.
We got some more hip-hop.
I mean, can it get any betterthan this?
We have an AI response fromDrake Like confirmed AI, because
(10:56):
Tupac is not alive.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Snoop said, he definitely did not do that.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
How do we know, though, that he's not alive
still?
How do we know?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
We know that Tupac's family have now sent a cease and
desist to Drake about thistravesty that he has put out
like.
Honestly, I do have to saythat's mad, disrespectful yeah,
I mean it's it's crazy to do one.
And then also it's why are youbringing dead people into your
(11:29):
beef like leave them out, leave,leave, snoop out?
I mean he's alive, of course,but why are we?
Why are we bringing Tupac outthe grave to help you fight your
beef with Kendrick?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And why are we?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
faking a Snoop verse.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I think he was trying to use the West Coast kind of
thing, I guess, and I don't knowwhy would he use Tupac?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Then get a real West Coast artist to come out there
and rap with you, if they reallydon't like.
Kendrick, or if he really likesyou that much.
If it was a real rap.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, but it's all AI .
Even his verse is AI right.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No, he's taking full claim for this one.
He wrote all the AI.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I believe so.
Yeah, Even the cadence of Tupacand also Snoop sound like.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
But just to clarify, this is an AI algorithm.
It's not him doing a delivery.
This is an actual AI recording.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, I believe the AI recording is.
He did it and his voice is AIto sound like Tupac.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
This is an office, yeah, and then to sound like
Snoop.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I see.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And so yeah, so Snoop , like I said, snoop came out
and said no, that was not me.
And so yeah, so Snoop, like Isaid, snoop came out and said no
, that was not me.
Yeah, that's not cool, Not inthose words, but you know what
I'm saying.
He was more Snoopish about it.
However, you want to see thatyou know what I'm saying.
Doggy dog-ish yeah, it was moredoggy dog-ish.
Let's put it that way Snoop'sthe cool one.
Doggy dog, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't know, should we play a little bit of it?
I don't know.
I mean, you got it, I got it.
Which one?
You want to just play Drake'spart, or do you want to play
that?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
No, no no, I don't want to disrespect those two
gentlemen by playing.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, just play Drake's part yeah just play
Drake's part.
Okay.
Sorry, that was Snoop's part.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That was Snoop's part Sorry, Come on man.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Sorry, it was Snoop's part.
Sorry, I was trying to.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Sorry, snoop, no disrespect was meant Egoist,
because it was.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, because he so with Snoop actually his part.
He kind of went right in afterSnoop.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
That's why I mean he went in right after himself,
right.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Right, right, exactly .
Let me see if I get this right.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I just got that.
Sounds just like Snoop.
That's crazy, though this AI.
You can't even tell.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
What a time to be alive.
Yeah, really Okay.
Okay, okay, I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So yeah, I gotta look this up.
I gotta see what he means bythat Taylor Swift thing.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
He's a corporate industry puppet.
So just to clarify, is hewriting all the lyrics Actually,
like a real artist?
You're writing all the lyricsand then he's just using an AI
program to make some of thelyrics sound like Tupac.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And Snoop, or is it the?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
lyrics AI generated as well.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean you're going to have to listen to it on your
own.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm sorry we're not going to play it here because,
like I said, I don't want todisrespect those gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The cadence sounds just like Drake Wilde with a
Snoop voice.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
The Tupac one especially.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The Snoop one.
Maybe he kind of understandsSnoop's flow a little bit so he
could kind of play with it.
But the Tupac one did not soundlike.
I mean it sounded like Tupac,it just didn't sound like
Tupac's cadence.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
His cadence was all Drake.
Like the Drake, the way he's,the flow of it, how it goes in
and out, you know the bridges,it was exactly like what Drake
would do.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
And, with that being said, I am actually now sick of
this beef.
I was once very excited aboutit, and now I am completely just
I told you from the start.
Yeah, I'm disappointed.
Are we done with it?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'm pretty.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
No, no, no, we're definitely done with it.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I mean it the only way I'm gonna talk about this
again is if kendrick says no.
But kendrick, I don't thinkkendrick's gonna say anything?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I think kendrick is probably.
No, he's already ready.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
He's already ready to already say something no, if
he's already ready, then whyhasn't he said it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
because it's also.
He's going back and forth withlike shit, this beef is not.
The beef is getting outrageous.
That that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, if I was, it's child'splay.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
What's happening?
It started out as child's play.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It's going, it's growing farther into child's
play Because you can't trust,because, think about it, you
can't trust anything to be real,like you can't trust.
If it's AI, now, like now, aiis a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like, so you think it's ai.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I mean even kanye's jumped in, so it's like drake
versus everybody and it's kindof.
It's kind of weird, it'sdiluted at this point and I
think also like kendrick at thispoint drake, this is kind of
some buffoonery stuff, like he'sputting in like tupac and snoop
like this is getting out ofcontrol.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
How corny can you get , yeah like like kendrick
literally does it.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I don't think he needs to validate this with the
response.
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Because, again.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
It was like he said what he said and the responses
were like J Cole said somethingthat was solid, but then he took
it right back.
And then Drake said somethingand it wasn't sure if it was AI
or not.
He never really made a claim,but he put it on his page and
then there was a fake kendrickthing.
And now this, and it's justlike this.
This latest thing is just like.
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I don't think it warrants thenext, the next follow-through,
especially by someone likekendrick.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I don't think it warrants anybody to say anything
like this.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Should just kind of go away now, like everybody
should just be quiet, everybodyshould just go away because I
don't really want to.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't, I don't know , I mean I guess we love kanye.
So I don't know.
I mean, I guess we love Kanye,so do we love Kanye?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I don't know, I like his music.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I like his music.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
When he's actually working on music.
I love the old Kanye.
I'm one of those.
I love the old Kanye.
This new Kanye is kind of wildto me.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, I like the George Bush, don't care about
black people, kanye but I don'tlike this make America great.
Kanye.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Speaking of somebody in that crazy bin.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
That's a good way to call it.
It's the crazy bin, the crazybin.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Ryan Garcia fought this weekend.
Ryan Garcia, david Haney Isthat Haney?
Devin Haney?
I just know him as Haney.
Is that Haney?
Devin Haney?
Devin Haney?
I just know him as Haney.
All right, so I have somethingto talk about that, because
that's what I'm saying.
The way Ryan Garcia promotedthis fight was more like people
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thought he was going to losebecause he was mentally unstable
.
The way he was reacting, theway he was doing it, because he
was mentally unstable, the wayhe was reacting, the way he was
doing it, and then he comes andbeats the brakes off of it was
very upsetting to a lot ofpeople, and I was not say upset
because I didn't really care.
But then also I know what'shappening to the boxing world,
(18:35):
like I think that a lot of timesit's staged.
Like you said, talking to youabout it, you think that Ryan
Garcia was probably staging theway he was acting to bring the
story.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think he sold this fight.
I think people wanted to seehim.
To a certain extent, theydidn't know what they were going
to get from ryan garcia he's hestarted off as a youtuber.
He just lost the tank a yearago.
You know, I'm saying, to fightdevin haney next with an
undefeated fighter was going tobe a tough matchup for him and I
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mean I don't know if we shouldgive him props, if we should
take anything away from himbecause he came in heavy.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I don't know he definitely didn't make weight.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, he came in three and a half pounds heavy.
Three, yeah, three, and Ibelieve in boxing.
In certain occasions that'llput you in a different weight
class.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, coach, what do you think?
I'm just waiting.
Do you think you sitting there,I'm just waiting?
I'm just because you're quietover there.
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm just waiting to hear what you guys have to say.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know so like I say, it's because I think that I
wasn't a big Devin Haney fan.
Anyways, because after theLomachenko fight, because I
thought Lomachenko won thatfight.
I agree, the way he fought thatfight was the same way he fought
this fight.
He just got caught over andover again with the right well,
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the right, the left cross, theleft cross.
He just got exposed.
He got exposed and he didn'tknow what to do when he got
exposed.
Yes, he had a couple rounds inthe fight that he did recover,
but at the same time he gotexposed.
Yes, he had a couple rounds inthe fight that he did recover,
but at the same time he gotcaught.
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I mean, he got caught a few times.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The first round he got caught, he was dropped three
times Seventh round, he gotcaught and, I think, the 10th
round.
I think he got caught too aswell, but he got caught a lot of
times.
It didn't matter.
His face showed that he gotcaught.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I mean, I don't .
Once again, I don't know if,like I said, we should give Ryan
props or We'll see his nextfight.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I say we'll see his next fight.
Why do you think Ryan lost?
Why do you think Ryan lost?
I mean sorry.
Why do you think Devin lost?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I mean sorry.
Why do you think Devin lost?
I think he lost because hiscorner or his coach told him
something different than he didin the fight.
I think it was actually hiscorner, not him.
I think that's what it was,because, technically, when he
got caught, he should know notto stand in toe-to-toe with Ryan
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Garcia.
He kept walking up to RyanGarcia and then try to grab
Ryder to be close, and that'swhen he kept getting caught.
The hook, every hook, issupposed to be close range.
There's no swinging hooks,there's no high hooks.
So he got caught with closerange, being in front of Ryan
Garcia, which, when he was withLomachenko, was he not close to
Lomachenko?
(21:36):
He was more dancing aroundLomachenko and that's the reason
why he didn't get hit with allthe heavy punches.
That's what I'm saying.
So who?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
do you think is a better fighter?
The who who, them two?
Yeah, in general you thinkRyan's better.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I think they're both on the same level.
I don't think actually each.
I think they're both at thesame level of like, regardless
of what his name was undefeated.
I think they were both in thesame level and it was like a
cancel.
Just one was a better person,that's all.
But also.
But I also found out that Ryanlearned from the tank fight and
used those techniques againstHaney, the high guard.
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He used the high guard to setup the hook and that's what Tank
did with his fight.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So, I guess he might be a better fighter then I mean
I don't know, I think stylesmake fights.
I mean, I don't know, I thinkstyles make fights.
And to a certain extent I thinkDevin didn't realize how fast
Ryan's left hook was.
So when Ryan would stick it out, like you said, high guard him,
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pump the jab out to him, holdit out there, and then he
followed up with the hook, Idon't think he realized how
quick it was coming.
So, but for him to get hit bysome, for him to get hit by that
punch over and over again, andnot not adjust and not adjust.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
But that's what I'm saying.
That's up to the coaches to sayhey, I'm seeing your footwork,
okay, that's what I'm saying.
It's weird because a realexperienced fighter would adjust
to something like that and knowokay, he's going's going to
keep doing this because Ryandidn't do anything different.
All through the round he didn'tchange.
I mean, he might have threw anuppercut here or there, but most
likely he bombarded him withpunches, hooks and hooks and
hooks.
He set up the jab to set up ahook, that's all it was Hooks,
(23:24):
hook, hook, hook, hook.
And then Haney literally keptducking because he kept getting
hit with the uh, the setup ofthe hooks, that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean, I just saw it looked like it was really fast.
Oh, of course it just lookedlike he couldn't catch up with
it, and that's how he wasgetting tagged with it, did you
guys bet?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
on the fight?
No, would you bet?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
in this case, I did not bet on this fight.
Um, I wanted when ryan came inheavy.
That's when I was like you knowwhat, I don't know if I want to
bet on this because I don'tknow if Ryan is actually serious
about this fight.
So I didn't bet because I didactually want to go, ryan, and
in this situation I just feltlike Ryan was actually the one
(24:08):
with the real power.
I don't think Devin hits thathard.
He definitely.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
yeah, I think Ryan had with the real power.
I don't think Devin hits thathard.
Yeah, definitely, I think Ryanhad legitimately the real power.
Yeah, out of the two fighters.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Ryan was the most powerful puncher and so I
thought that he was going to win.
But, like I said, when he camein over three pounds overweight,
I wasn't sure if he was seriousabout the fight.
So I backed away from it anddidn't put in a bet and I should
have, because, well, ryan wonwell, it was.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
That's the thing.
Like I didn't pick anybodybecause I didn't care too much
about both fighters, but Ithought the fact that, like the
way haney was talking and hiscamp was talking, he he was
going to expose garcia for allhe does, you know, saying this
fight is going to make him feellike he shouldn't be fighting
anymore, and that's what adisappointing situation.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Like you didn't do it , I think it's uh kind of akin
to the um, kevin holland,michael uh venom page, right
where first round kevin was likehe's quicker than he's faster
than we thought, yeah, andMichael Vanden Pages was just
able to go out there and andjust do things that you were
(25:17):
like how was he able to do this?
Kevin Holland is an experienced, an experienced striker, so how
is he able to do this?
But I think sometimes whenthings are just too fast, it's
you can't and you can't catch upto it.
Almost like a fastball with ayou know, a pitcher with a
fastball, once that thing startsgetting up around 90 and 100,
(25:37):
you just it's hard to catch upto it.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Your eyes can only take in so much movement at once
.
True, can't even, can't evendodge it at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You're trying to say he went Dragon Ball Z.
Yeah right, Super Saiyan on it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I.
At that point he went DragonBall Z, yeah right, super Saiyan
on him.
I mean also once again, whenyou keep getting hit like the
damage or the knowledge,sometimes just the knowledge of
hey, he keeps hitting me.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
It's like what you were saying A-Train, like that
in a previous conversation.
Like that you could have allthe training and everything,
everything.
But if you get hit real hardthe right way, you kind of just
your base instincts take overand you're kind of not even
focusing on maybe the righttactics at that point.
You're just kind of moving awayand trying to have that not
happen again.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That kind of overrides everything you know oh
yeah, oh, I'm sorry, a good,good, good comment.
But I would say, for those whoare kind of into the technical
side, they would say that thisparticular fight was a classic
uh, skill versus how to win.
(26:46):
And so if you compare the twofighters and you looked at all
they can do, and so if youcompare the two fighters and you
looked at all they can do,devin Haney is clearly the most
skillful of the two fighters.
Ryan Garcia knows how to winand Ryan Garcia has the focus
and Ryan Garcia actually hasbetter amateur record.
(27:08):
And so when you're trying todetermine and you sit down and
try to try to determine, what doI really see here on this fight
?
How do I judge these two guys?
You'll realize like, okay, youknow what, sometimes, as you
said, a person who gets it hardchanges his game in another case
.
In this one, you have a guy whohas confidence based on his
(27:31):
skill set, but he's not smart.
And so if you really go downand you compare and you look at
these guys' fights back andforth, ryan Garcia is not as
skilled as Devin Haney Not atall.
He's smarter than him.
And Devin Haney, with all thetraining he's done, he stole
stuff from different gyms.
That's why they have theMayweather Bill Haney beef out
(27:54):
there all this going on.
It's because he's taken stufffrom a region but he's got a lot
of skill, but he's not smart.
And so you have to be smart,but you also have to be smart
when it's time to deliver, andnot everybody has that
combination of skill and smart.
Garcia is a smart fighter.
(28:15):
That's why he won.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Sorry, is Bill Haney the guy that was telling
Mayweather that he doesn't have?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I saw something on I don't know.
Yeah, it's a big hot thing nowthat basically Mayweather has
this attitude of sort ofswooping in whenever someone
loses to say, you know, I canhelp you out, right, okay,
that's the guy.
And so he and Bill Haney have alittle, let's say, a little
beef.
Bill Haney is real, is Devin'sfather and he's really OG street
and he knows a lot ofbackground material on
(28:46):
Mayweather.
So you notice that Mayweatherdoesn't go on him hard because
he can expose a lot ofbackground stuff Right right.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But from the clip that I saw there it kind of
sounded like you know it wascoming from a point of let me
not say hate, but like you know,I'll say hate.
Who's hating whom?
Elmeny was hating on Mayweather.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean he said everything fromDevin beat him in sparring.
He said all kinds of stuff outthere trying to live off of
Mayweather's name.
And you would say like, wait aminute, why did Floyd just go
out there Talking about beefsright, this is another set of
you know their gym beefs andfight game beefs and all that
stuff.
Why didn't Mayweather saysomething to him, say like no,
(29:29):
he didn't beat me, he didn't dothis.
He didn't do that becausepeople try to do that right to
pull off a name like inspiring.
They did that with errol spenceback in the day that errol
spence almost dropped floyd whenerrol spence was coming up.
So what happened here is in thatconversation.
Look closely.
He stopped mentioning somethingabout mayweather's kids and so
that lets you know that there'ssome stuff that people don't
(29:50):
know that's going on with thekids that mayweather doesn't
want exposed.
And so he's given bill someroom to talk his talk, because
bill is a wild guy and it'sstraight street.
I mean there's some people thatyou just kind of know for one
reason or another you don't messwith them because they're not
that kind of guy, and then otherpeople that have that street
(30:12):
background that you knowyourself.
You know what this guy mighttake me further than I want this
beef to go.
So I'm not going to go therewith this guy.
So there's going to probably besome continuation with this to
see what happens, because Devinhas to recover.
He may have had his jaw brokenin that fight.
He got beat up badly in thatfight and clearly Bill couldn't
(30:34):
help him, his corner couldn'thelp him.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
That's why I feel like his corner gave him a
facade that he thought he wasgoing to be unstoppable and it
failed.
And his corner, I think itwasn't him, it was his corner,
and that's what I thought, thatthe way the fight went, man Let
him cook, not mr let him cook,but everybody's cooking.
But yeah, I think that's it.
(30:58):
I think that's all I had forthis evening.
I don't know if anybody elsehas anything no, I'm good, I'm
good, y'all good everybody's allno jokes, anybody got no jokes
or shit.
What the fuck?
Fuck, we got serious.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
No, that was a really good breakdown, all right.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Well, we'll do better next time, definitely.
I'm glad everybody's doing good.
Let's do it next time.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Check you out next week.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
DMV Peace, peace Cheers.
DMV.
Welcome everybody to anotherepisode of the Absolute DMV
Podcast.
It's your man, ace Boogie.
I'm here with a few good guys.
I'm here with my man, mark.
Hey, what's going on?
My man A-Train.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm right here, anytime, anyplace.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
My man Swank Yo what up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And my good man Ego, on the boards.
You know I'm right here anytime, anyplace.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
My man Swank Yo what up.
And my good man Ego on theboards.
You know, what's going on,gentlemen?
How y'all doing, how y'allfeeling, good, good, good,
fantastic.
I love it Okay.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
All right.
I love lamb.
Do you really love it or areyou just saying you love it
because you see it?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
LAMP, lamp.
But yeah, it was a good weekend, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean Everybody had a good weekend.
I mean mine was nice andrelaxing.
You know I did the 420 thing,but I did it in the crib.
You didn't do what everybodyelse did, bro've.
I've done it for so long thatit's to a certain extent it's
like drinking holidays, it'slike amateur hour, so I don't
really even want to be out there.
(01:33):
So you know, every day is 420exactly.
You know that's how I live mylife, so it's a wonderful thing.
But that was my weekend.
Like I said, I kept it chill.
You know what about y'all?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, Well, this weekend I was out Actually
stopped by One of my Somebodythat I know it's called.
It's a spot called Sweet SweetKitchen.
Sweet Sweet, sweet Sweet.
It's a Sierra Leonean spotOwned by Sierra Leonean.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, nice Speaking of that.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
My neighbors?
Yeah, true that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
My neighbors?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, true that my neighbors.
So I had the crane crane,that's the name of the dish Very
, very tasteful, spicy.
You can eat it with rice and itis the Sierra Leonean
Independence this weekend on the27th as well.
Big ups, big ups to our SierraLeonean brothers and sisters,
shout out, shout out, shout outand then the restaurant is
(02:25):
called Sweet Sweet Kitchen.
Check it out.
It's on 8th Street.
Oh nice, I can't remember thefull address, but We'll put it
on the link.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We'll put it on Nice.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, I was just in DC yesterday.
Yesterday was April 24th.
It's the commemoration of theArmenian Genocide.
That's the date that theArmenian Genocide started, so
it's the 109th anniversary of it.
And you know, the perpetrator,Ottoman Empire, modern-day
Turkey, still has denied it andthere's a lot of, you know,
ongoing denial and continuedpersecution against Armenians
(02:55):
across the world and in thediaspora, but mostly at home and
in Turkey and everything.
So it's you know we're marchingevery year and trying to raise
awareness and hopefully have,you know, government sort of not
just sort of acknowledge it,which all 50 states
independently have, andPresident Biden being the first
sitting president to acknowledgeit, but also actually put that
(03:16):
into policy and pressure to, youknow, actually get some
acknowledgement from theperpetrator itself how big was
the crowd.
It was a good.
It was a good crowd, I meanlike a couple hundred people for
sure, and we marched from theAzerbaijani embassy down on sort
of consulate row, embassy row,all the way down to Lafayette
Plaza at the White House, andthen we had a big sort of
(03:38):
commemoration and speaking andeverything.
Yeah, there were speakers.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You said speakers, or just like pretty much everybody
was talking or just hanging out.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yeah, no, there's some speakers.
You said speakers or just likepretty much everybody was
talking or just hanging out.
Yeah, no, there were somespeakers.
Yeah for sure, definitelypeople giving some you know some
speaker sort of speeches aboutwhat's going on.
I think there was a senatorthere who spoke as well and sort
of voicing support.
And yeah, no, there's everyyear they do that.
Armenians all across the worldcommemorate it and you know I
(04:05):
have a song about the Armeniangenocide which is being used in
schools.
So I've been able to perform atsome of these events in the
past in Times Square and atMarch for Justice out in LA, and
a few times here at theLafayette Plaza in DC.
But, yeah, armenians just allover the world acknowledge that
and that's a very important dayfor us.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What's the date?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
April 24th, which is the day that the ottoman empire
sort of rounded up all theleaders of the armenians, the
you know, the politicians, uh,you know uh clergy and everyone,
and they just kind of got the,the leaders, out of the way
first before starting in oneveryone else.
So it's the, the day of the,the start of the of the genocide
.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay, I'm sorry this is going to probably sound
really ignorant because I mightbe just stupid.
How do you deny a genocide?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, well, it's so.
There's a whole lot ofscholarly research about it.
Ottoman Empire, afteressentially in many ways sort of
achieving what they had meantto do, which was exterminating
about 1.5 million Armenians,over 800,000 Greeks and then
about 350,000 Assyrians andother indigenous groups, and
(05:18):
seizing a huge amount of land toconsolidate their crumbling
empire and give themselves whatis now the region of Turkey
They've just edited I mean,internet wasn't around, but
they're currently editing theinternet.
They're teaching a falsecurriculum in their school and
sort of fostering this level ofhatred towards other minorities
(05:39):
and non-Turkic people in thatarea.
Also, the fact that they're in asemi-politically gray area of
power, being, you know, a NATOmember, even though they're not
in the North or the Atlantic,but they're in NATO.
They're a valuable ally to alot of Western countries being
in that sort of Middle Easternregion, which gives them a lot
of sway to sort of say we'regoing to do what we want to do
(06:01):
and teach what we want to teach,despite you know whatever you
think you know.
So that puts the US and otherWestern countries, while they
disagree with it, in kind of atough position, because they're
trying to, you know, wind downthese wars in the Middle East
that you know, we ran into allof a sudden in the early 2000s
and they're a valuable ally,which is unfortunate.
Okay All right Damn.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I mean, that's just the synopsis of where we are
right now.
Just a little bit of it Deep,yeah, thank you.
Thank you, professor Mark.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
This has been another history lesson.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And not to take it and be like that but at the same
time.
It's one of those things whereit's like we got to understand
why they can't change.
Can't change, not, I don't wantto say change history, but stop
teaching certain things.
Yeah, because that is a veryeasy way to deny, and you know
what I'm saying.
Like history, so if they can doit to you guys, imagine what
(06:57):
they can do to anyone else 100it's just one of those things
where it's just like we got tobe very careful about, you know,
I guess, the education, what,what kids know, I mean what
people know, because even therewas what there was.
One time I've seen tom hankssay something like he didn't
(07:19):
even know about the tulsamassacre.
Yeah, so, um.
So it's like when, like whenyou hear things like that,
someone who I'm sure is a veryintelligent man, very well
traveled, and he's educated yeahyou know what I'm saying Very
well traveled, everything likethat.
To not hear about his ownhistory is one of those things.
(07:40):
It's baffling.
And so you know, it's just likeI said.
It's just one of those thingswhere you got a very.
You gotta be very careful aboutit, but um well, that's.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
That's also something that I remember as a kid
growing up in the 90s.
You know, here in montgomerycounty the school system is very
good, um, in comparison to alot of other counties in other
states.
But even then I remember onlylearning about the civil rights
era and certain aspects of likeputting martin luther king and
praising him for the work he did, which is fantastic, but we
never heard about the reallyrough stuff which sort of
(08:09):
painted white people in thattime era in a bad light, which
is just the truth of what it was.
So the pick and choose sort ofnarrative, you know that could
lead to Tom Hanks, you knowwho's gone to high school, gone
to college, but never learnedabout Tulsa, because that's a
page you know, and we see thiswith the Native Americans and
the indigenous.
It's kind of like Rage Againstthe Machine.
They say who controls the pastcontrols the future.
(08:30):
Who controls the presentcontrols the past.
So whoever is in power nowcontrols the narrative of what
was in the past and thatdetermines the future by what
people are learning and whatthey know.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Absolutely Speaking of long-winded no no no, no, no,
no.
That's great, but, like you,also performed as well.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of breath control
for that I got to be long-windedfor that, that's all.
I'm saying I see the segue, Isee the dots connect.
Yeah, no, I did a performanceunrelated to the Armenian
Genocide commemoration.
That was on Saturday at theconcert to end fossil fuels.
So another really importantcause, down actually in DC as
well, down on the National Mall,right in front of the
(09:15):
Washington Monument.
So, yeah, no, shout out to theyouth organizations that put
that together and Fridays forfuture DC.
So it's a very important causeJust keeping our planet healthy
and ending fossil fuel for thenext generation to have a
healthy, sustainable planet tolive on.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
While people are smoking blunts outside.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
At the same time, it's from the Earth.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I was about to say that is not a fossil fuel.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's not giving off bad emissions in the air.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
See, that's not the issue.
The issue was at the same timewhere we got the youth giving
passionate speeches aboutpreserving that.
You got the Red Bull F1 thinghappening, where they have the
race car just driving up anddown.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Pennsylvania Avenue.
That was huge Doing burnouts.
Blame me, but you don't want tosay nothing about that right.
I wasn't blaming you and youknow those race cars probably
get like three miles to thegallon.
Honestly, it's justresponsibility I do take
responsibility for me and all myfellow 420 partakers.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Okay.
Was that performance a one-offor was it something that you're
going to do on a regular basisor yearly?
Is this something that you'regoing?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
to do on a regular basis or yearly.
You know, right now it's just aone-off.
I was blessed to connect withthem, but they're really cool
people and yeah, no, I had agood time, so I'd definitely be
happy to do that again, for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I was lit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Blessings, blessings, Well, even with that.
So my man performed, killed iton the stage Hip-hop we got some
more hip-hop.
We got some more hip-hop.
I mean, can it get any betterthan this?
We have an AI response fromDrake Like confirmed AI, because
(10:56):
Tupac is not alive.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Snoop said, he definitely did not do that.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
How do we know, though, that he's not alive
still?
How do we know?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
We know that Tupac's family have now sent a cease and
desist to Drake about thistravesty that he has put out
like.
Honestly, I do have to saythat's mad, disrespectful yeah,
I mean it's it's crazy to do one.
And then also it's why are youbringing dead people into your
(11:29):
beef like leave them out, leave,leave, snoop out?
I mean he's alive, of course,but why are we?
Why are we bringing Tupac outthe grave to help you fight your
beef with Kendrick?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And why are we?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
faking a Snoop verse.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I think he was trying to use the West Coast kind of
thing, I guess, and I don't knowwhy would he use Tupac?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Then get a real West Coast artist to come out there
and rap with you, if they reallydon't like.
Kendrick, or if he really likesyou that much.
If it was a real rap.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, but it's all AI .
Even his verse is AI right.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No, he's taking full claim for this one.
He wrote all the AI.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I believe so.
Yeah, Even the cadence of Tupacand also Snoop sound like.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
But just to clarify, this is an AI algorithm.
It's not him doing a delivery.
This is an actual AI recording.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, I believe the AI recording is.
He did it and his voice is AIto sound like Tupac.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
This is an office, yeah, and then to sound like
Snoop.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I see.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And so yeah, so Snoop , like I said, snoop came out
and said no, that was not me.
And so yeah, so Snoop, like Isaid, snoop came out and said no
, that was not me.
Yeah, that's not cool, Not inthose words, but you know what
I'm saying.
He was more Snoopish about it.
However, you want to see thatyou know what I'm saying.
Doggy dog-ish yeah, it was moredoggy dog-ish.
Let's put it that way Snoop'sthe cool one.
Doggy dog, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't know, should we play a little bit of it?
I don't know.
I mean, you got it, I got it.
Which one?
You want to just play Drake'spart, or do you want to play
that?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
No, no no, I don't want to disrespect those two
gentlemen by playing.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, just play Drake's part yeah just play
Drake's part.
Okay.
Sorry, that was Snoop's part.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That was Snoop's part Sorry, Come on man.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Sorry, it was Snoop's part.
Sorry, I was trying to.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Sorry, snoop, no disrespect was meant Egoist,
because it was.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, because he so with Snoop actually his part.
He kind of went right in afterSnoop.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
That's why I mean he went in right after himself,
right.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Right, right, exactly .
Let me see if I get this right.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I just got that.
Sounds just like Snoop.
That's crazy, though this AI.
You can't even tell.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
What a time to be alive.
Yeah, really Okay.
Okay, okay, I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So yeah, I gotta look this up.
I gotta see what he means bythat Taylor Swift thing.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
He's a corporate industry puppet.
So just to clarify, is hewriting all the lyrics Actually,
like a real artist?
You're writing all the lyricsand then he's just using an AI
program to make some of thelyrics sound like Tupac.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And Snoop, or is it the?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
lyrics AI generated as well.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean you're going to have to listen to it on your
own.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm sorry we're not going to play it here because,
like I said, I don't want todisrespect those gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The cadence sounds just like Drake Wilde with a
Snoop voice.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
The Tupac one especially.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The Snoop one.
Maybe he kind of understandsSnoop's flow a little bit so he
could kind of play with it.
But the Tupac one did not soundlike.
I mean it sounded like Tupac,it just didn't sound like
Tupac's cadence.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
His cadence was all Drake.
Like the Drake, the way he's,the flow of it, how it goes in
and out, you know the bridges,it was exactly like what Drake
would do.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
And, with that being said, I am actually now sick of
this beef.
I was once very excited aboutit, and now I am completely just
I told you from the start.
Yeah, I'm disappointed.
Are we done with it?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'm pretty.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
No, no, no, we're definitely done with it.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I mean it the only way I'm gonna talk about this
again is if kendrick says no.
But kendrick, I don't thinkkendrick's gonna say anything?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I think kendrick is probably.
No, he's already ready.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
He's already ready to already say something no, if
he's already ready, then whyhasn't he said it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
because it's also.
He's going back and forth withlike shit, this beef is not.
The beef is getting outrageous.
That that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, if I was, it's child'splay.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
What's happening?
It started out as child's play.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It's going, it's growing farther into child's
play Because you can't trust,because, think about it, you
can't trust anything to be real,like you can't trust.
If it's AI, now, like now, aiis a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like, so you think it's ai.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I mean even kanye's jumped in, so it's like drake
versus everybody and it's kindof.
It's kind of weird, it'sdiluted at this point and I
think also like kendrick at thispoint drake, this is kind of
some buffoonery stuff, like he'sputting in like tupac and snoop
like this is getting out ofcontrol.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
How corny can you get , yeah like like kendrick
literally does it.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I don't think he needs to validate this with the
response.
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Because, again.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
It was like he said what he said and the responses
were like J Cole said somethingthat was solid, but then he took
it right back.
And then Drake said somethingand it wasn't sure if it was AI
or not.
He never really made a claim,but he put it on his page and
then there was a fake kendrickthing.
And now this, and it's justlike this.
This latest thing is just like.
(16:56):
I don't think it warrants thenext, the next follow-through,
especially by someone likekendrick.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I don't think it warrants anybody to say anything
like this.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Should just kind of go away now, like everybody
should just be quiet, everybodyshould just go away because I
don't really want to.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't, I don't know , I mean I guess we love kanye.
So I don't know.
I mean, I guess we love Kanye,so do we love Kanye?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I don't know, I like his music.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I like his music.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
When he's actually working on music.
I love the old Kanye.
I'm one of those.
I love the old Kanye.
This new Kanye is kind of wildto me.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, I like the George Bush, don't care about
black people, kanye but I don'tlike this make America great.
Kanye.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Speaking of somebody in that crazy bin.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
That's a good way to call it.
It's the crazy bin, the crazybin.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Ryan Garcia fought this weekend.
Ryan Garcia, david Haney Isthat Haney?
Devin Haney?
I just know him as Haney.
Is that Haney?
Devin Haney?
Devin Haney?
I just know him as Haney.
All right, so I have somethingto talk about that, because
that's what I'm saying.
The way Ryan Garcia promotedthis fight was more like people
(18:10):
thought he was going to losebecause he was mentally unstable
.
The way he was reacting, theway he was doing it, because he
was mentally unstable, the wayhe was reacting, the way he was
doing it, and then he comes andbeats the brakes off of it was
very upsetting to a lot ofpeople, and I was not say upset
because I didn't really care.
But then also I know what'shappening to the boxing world,
(18:35):
like I think that a lot of timesit's staged.
Like you said, talking to youabout it, you think that Ryan
Garcia was probably staging theway he was acting to bring the
story.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think he sold this fight.
I think people wanted to seehim.
To a certain extent, theydidn't know what they were going
to get from ryan garcia he's hestarted off as a youtuber.
He just lost the tank a yearago.
You know, I'm saying, to fightdevin haney next with an
undefeated fighter was going tobe a tough matchup for him and I
(19:11):
mean I don't know if we shouldgive him props, if we should
take anything away from himbecause he came in heavy.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I don't know he definitely didn't make weight.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, he came in three and a half pounds heavy.
Three, yeah, three, and Ibelieve in boxing.
In certain occasions that'llput you in a different weight
class.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, coach, what do you think?
I'm just waiting.
Do you think you sitting there,I'm just waiting?
I'm just because you're quietover there.
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm just waiting to hear what you guys have to say.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know so like I say, it's because I think that I
wasn't a big Devin Haney fan.
Anyways, because after theLomachenko fight, because I
thought Lomachenko won thatfight.
I agree, the way he fought thatfight was the same way he fought
this fight.
He just got caught over andover again with the right well,
(20:03):
the right, the left cross, theleft cross.
He just got exposed.
He got exposed and he didn'tknow what to do when he got
exposed.
Yes, he had a couple rounds inthe fight that he did recover,
but at the same time he gotexposed.
Yes, he had a couple rounds inthe fight that he did recover,
but at the same time he gotcaught.
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I mean, he got caught a few times.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The first round he got caught, he was dropped three
times Seventh round, he gotcaught and, I think, the 10th
round.
I think he got caught too aswell, but he got caught a lot of
times.
It didn't matter.
His face showed that he gotcaught.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I mean, I don't .
Once again, I don't know if,like I said, we should give Ryan
props or We'll see his nextfight.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I say we'll see his next fight.
Why do you think Ryan lost?
Why do you think Ryan lost?
I mean sorry.
Why do you think Devin lost?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I mean sorry.
Why do you think Devin lost?
I think he lost because hiscorner or his coach told him
something different than he didin the fight.
I think it was actually hiscorner, not him.
I think that's what it was,because, technically, when he
got caught, he should know notto stand in toe-to-toe with Ryan
(21:16):
Garcia.
He kept walking up to RyanGarcia and then try to grab
Ryder to be close, and that'swhen he kept getting caught.
The hook, every hook, issupposed to be close range.
There's no swinging hooks,there's no high hooks.
So he got caught with closerange, being in front of Ryan
Garcia, which, when he was withLomachenko, was he not close to
Lomachenko?
(21:36):
He was more dancing aroundLomachenko and that's the reason
why he didn't get hit with allthe heavy punches.
That's what I'm saying.
So who?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
do you think is a better fighter?
The who who, them two?
Yeah, in general you thinkRyan's better.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I think they're both on the same level.
I don't think actually each.
I think they're both at thesame level of like, regardless
of what his name was undefeated.
I think they were both in thesame level and it was like a
cancel.
Just one was a better person,that's all.
But also.
But I also found out that Ryanlearned from the tank fight and
used those techniques againstHaney, the high guard.
(22:16):
He used the high guard to setup the hook and that's what Tank
did with his fight.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So, I guess he might be a better fighter then I mean
I don't know, I think stylesmake fights.
I mean, I don't know, I thinkstyles make fights.
And to a certain extent I thinkDevin didn't realize how fast
Ryan's left hook was.
So when Ryan would stick it out, like you said, high guard him,
(22:45):
pump the jab out to him, holdit out there, and then he
followed up with the hook, Idon't think he realized how
quick it was coming.
So, but for him to get hit bysome, for him to get hit by that
punch over and over again, andnot not adjust and not adjust.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
But that's what I'm saying.
That's up to the coaches to sayhey, I'm seeing your footwork,
okay, that's what I'm saying.
It's weird because a realexperienced fighter would adjust
to something like that and knowokay, he's going's going to
keep doing this because Ryandidn't do anything different.
All through the round he didn'tchange.
I mean, he might have threw anuppercut here or there, but most
likely he bombarded him withpunches, hooks and hooks and
hooks.
He set up the jab to set up ahook, that's all it was Hooks,
(23:24):
hook, hook, hook, hook.
And then Haney literally keptducking because he kept getting
hit with the uh, the setup ofthe hooks, that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean, I just saw it looked like it was really fast.
Oh, of course it just lookedlike he couldn't catch up with
it, and that's how he wasgetting tagged with it, did you
guys bet?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
on the fight?
No, would you bet?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
in this case, I did not bet on this fight.
Um, I wanted when ryan came inheavy.
That's when I was like you knowwhat, I don't know if I want to
bet on this because I don'tknow if Ryan is actually serious
about this fight.
So I didn't bet because I didactually want to go, ryan, and
in this situation I just feltlike Ryan was actually the one
(24:08):
with the real power.
I don't think Devin hits thathard.
He definitely.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
yeah, I think Ryan had with the real power.
I don't think Devin hits thathard.
Yeah, definitely, I think Ryanhad legitimately the real power.
Yeah, out of the two fighters.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Ryan was the most powerful puncher and so I
thought that he was going to win.
But, like I said, when he camein over three pounds overweight,
I wasn't sure if he was seriousabout the fight.
So I backed away from it anddidn't put in a bet and I should
have, because, well, ryan wonwell, it was.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
That's the thing.
Like I didn't pick anybodybecause I didn't care too much
about both fighters, but Ithought the fact that, like the
way haney was talking and hiscamp was talking, he he was
going to expose garcia for allhe does, you know, saying this
fight is going to make him feellike he shouldn't be fighting
anymore, and that's what adisappointing situation.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Like you didn't do it , I think it's uh kind of akin
to the um, kevin holland,michael uh venom page, right
where first round kevin was likehe's quicker than he's faster
than we thought, yeah, andMichael Vanden Pages was just
able to go out there and andjust do things that you were
(25:17):
like how was he able to do this?
Kevin Holland is an experienced, an experienced striker, so how
is he able to do this?
But I think sometimes whenthings are just too fast, it's
you can't and you can't catch upto it.
Almost like a fastball with ayou know, a pitcher with a
fastball, once that thing startsgetting up around 90 and 100,
(25:37):
you just it's hard to catch upto it.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Your eyes can only take in so much movement at once
.
True, can't even, can't evendodge it at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You're trying to say he went Dragon Ball Z.
Yeah right, Super Saiyan on it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I.
At that point he went DragonBall Z, yeah right, super Saiyan
on him.
I mean also once again, whenyou keep getting hit like the
damage or the knowledge,sometimes just the knowledge of
hey, he keeps hitting me.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
It's like what you were saying A-Train, like that
in a previous conversation.
Like that you could have allthe training and everything,
everything.
But if you get hit real hardthe right way, you kind of just
your base instincts take overand you're kind of not even
focusing on maybe the righttactics at that point.
You're just kind of moving awayand trying to have that not
happen again.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That kind of overrides everything you know oh
yeah, oh, I'm sorry, a good,good, good comment.
But I would say, for those whoare kind of into the technical
side, they would say that thisparticular fight was a classic
uh, skill versus how to win.
(26:46):
And so if you compare the twofighters and you looked at all
they can do, and so if youcompare the two fighters and you
looked at all they can do,devin Haney is clearly the most
skillful of the two fighters.
Ryan Garcia knows how to winand Ryan Garcia has the focus
and Ryan Garcia actually hasbetter amateur record.
(27:08):
And so when you're trying todetermine and you sit down and
try to try to determine, what doI really see here on this fight
?
How do I judge these two guys?
You'll realize like, okay, youknow what, sometimes, as you
said, a person who gets it hardchanges his game in another case
.
In this one, you have a guy whohas confidence based on his
(27:31):
skill set, but he's not smart.
And so if you really go downand you compare and you look at
these guys' fights back andforth, ryan Garcia is not as
skilled as Devin Haney Not atall.
He's smarter than him.
And Devin Haney, with all thetraining he's done, he stole
stuff from different gyms.
That's why they have theMayweather Bill Haney beef out
(27:54):
there all this going on.
It's because he's taken stufffrom a region but he's got a lot
of skill, but he's not smart.
And so you have to be smart,but you also have to be smart
when it's time to deliver, andnot everybody has that
combination of skill and smart.
Garcia is a smart fighter.
(28:15):
That's why he won.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Sorry, is Bill Haney the guy that was telling
Mayweather that he doesn't have?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I saw something on I don't know.
Yeah, it's a big hot thing nowthat basically Mayweather has
this attitude of sort ofswooping in whenever someone
loses to say, you know, I canhelp you out, right, okay,
that's the guy.
And so he and Bill Haney have alittle, let's say, a little
beef.
Bill Haney is real, is Devin'sfather and he's really OG street
and he knows a lot ofbackground material on
(28:46):
Mayweather.
So you notice that Mayweatherdoesn't go on him hard because
he can expose a lot ofbackground stuff Right right.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But from the clip that I saw there it kind of
sounded like you know it wascoming from a point of let me
not say hate, but like you know,I'll say hate.
Who's hating whom?
Elmeny was hating on Mayweather.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean he said everything fromDevin beat him in sparring.
He said all kinds of stuff outthere trying to live off of
Mayweather's name.
And you would say like, wait aminute, why did Floyd just go
out there Talking about beefsright, this is another set of
you know their gym beefs andfight game beefs and all that
stuff.
Why didn't Mayweather saysomething to him, say like no,
(29:29):
he didn't beat me, he didn't dothis.
He didn't do that becausepeople try to do that right to
pull off a name like inspiring.
They did that with errol spenceback in the day that errol
spence almost dropped floyd whenerrol spence was coming up.
So what happened here is in thatconversation.
Look closely.
He stopped mentioning somethingabout mayweather's kids and so
that lets you know that there'ssome stuff that people don't
(29:50):
know that's going on with thekids that mayweather doesn't
want exposed.
And so he's given bill someroom to talk his talk, because
bill is a wild guy and it'sstraight street.
I mean there's some people thatyou just kind of know for one
reason or another you don't messwith them because they're not
that kind of guy, and then otherpeople that have that street
(30:12):
background that you knowyourself.
You know what this guy mighttake me further than I want this
beef to go.
So I'm not going to go therewith this guy.
So there's going to probably besome continuation with this to
see what happens, because Devinhas to recover.
He may have had his jaw brokenin that fight.
He got beat up badly in thatfight and clearly Bill couldn't
(30:34):
help him, his corner couldn'thelp him.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
That's why I feel like his corner gave him a
facade that he thought he wasgoing to be unstoppable and it
failed.
And his corner, I think itwasn't him, it was his corner,
and that's what I thought, thatthe way the fight went, man Let
him cook, not mr let him cook,but everybody's cooking.
But yeah, I think that's it.
(30:58):
I think that's all I had forthis evening.
I don't know if anybody elsehas anything no, I'm good, I'm
good, y'all good everybody's allno jokes, anybody got no jokes
or shit.
What the fuck?
Fuck, we got serious.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
No, that was a really good breakdown, all right.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Well, we'll do better next time, definitely.
I'm glad everybody's doing good.
Let's do it next time.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Check you out next week.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
DMV Peace, peace Cheers.
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