Well Done Good and Faithful Servant

Pastor Jason from Calvary Phoenix joins us in an enlightening discussion that underscores the profound impact Charlie Kirk has had on the world for good. The conversation transitions into a heartfelt reflection on the recent tragic events surrounding Charlie Kirk, an influential figure whose martyrdom serves as a catalyst for church revival and increased faith engagement among believers. We delve into the urgent message for the church to awaken, emphasizing the imminent return of Christ, and the necessity for believers to embody courage and commitment to the Father's business. Through personal anecdotes and biblical insights, we explore the significant role of faith in navigating contemporary challenges. The conversation serves as a clarion call for spiritual renewal and an invitation to engage actively in the ministry of reconciliation and truth. Join us as we reflect on the legacy of Charlie Kirk and the transformative power of faith in action.

Takeaways:

• Pastor Jason articulates how Charlie Kirk's influence has galvanized individuals towards faith and community engagement, leading to a resurgence in church attendance and spiritual commitment.
• The podcast underscores the urgency of awakening the church to prepare for the imminent return of Jesus Christ, emphasizing the need for spiritual vigilance and active faith.
• Listeners are encouraged to emulate Charlie's bravery in standing firm for their beliefs and actively participating in the Father's business amidst societal challenges.
• The discussion highlights the critical role of mentorship in fostering spiritual growth and equipping believers to share the gospel effectively with others in their communities.
• Pastor Jason stresses the significance of bold leadership within the church, advocating for pastors to exemplify courage and conviction in their ministries to inspire congregants.
• The episode serves as a call to action, imploring listeners to overcome fear and engage in evangelism, thereby contributing to the spread of the gospel in a world increasingly resistant to spiritual truths.

Links referenced in this episode:

• Abundant Life
• Jason Feeser
• Lamplight Ministries
• Stay In the Fight Devotional

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Abundant LifePodcast, bringing you encouragement
and challenging believers tospiritual change and growth by applying
biblical principles toeveryday life.
And now your hosts, SassoMendez and Ben Arellano.
Welcome, everybody, to theAbundant Live Podcast.
This is episode number 72, andI'm here with my good friend, the

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faithful servant of the faith,Sasso Mendez.
Hey, Ben.
What's going on?
How much, man?
How you doing, brother?
Doing good, so.
Yeah, I know.
We did, too.
Yeah, I got in and out.
I'm surprised I don't smelllike in and out in here, bro.
Oh, that sounds good.
But today we've got an extraspecial guest with us.
We have Pastor Jason fromCalvary Chapel Phoenix.
What's up?
What's up?
What's up, brother?
Glad to have you.
So this is our taco talk time,and so we.

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We usually chat about, well,either what we ate or, you know,
what we're, you know, diggingon lately.
We've been doing a lot of.
A lot of B dubs.
We do a lot of chicken wings.
Yeah, but what's your.
What's your poison, man?
Like, what are you.
I mean, you look prettyhealthy, bro.
I was gonna say.
I was gonna say my.
My food is pretty boring.
Like, I eat steak all thetime, so it's good.
It's not boring.
I'm not.

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I'm not mad about it.
No.
So I meal prep all my food.
Really?
So I cook all my meat, all mynoodles, all my rice.
I do all that for me.
So I make like, probably 10 to15 pounds of steak a week and dice
it up, weigh it, measure it,dish it out, the whole Tupperware,
pack my lunch, and I eat likefive or six.
Those a day.

(01:28):
Yeah.
Six meals a day.
Oh, easily, bro.
I do, like, 5,000 calories.
I shoot for five, like, four,500 to 5,000 calories a day, so.
But it's clean.
It's.
It's meat protein.
So you're lifting every day.
You're.
You're working?
Yeah, I bodybuild, so I'vebeen bodybuilding like, six years,
so it's like.
It's meal prep is everything.
Like, if.
And it's exp.
Like, it as expensive aseating out is.
Like, it's.

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I can.
I can meal prep pretty.
Pretty reasonably, but it's.
It's still expensive.
You know what I mean?
I mean, steak, like.
Yeah, but it's.
It's not.
It's London broil, so it's.
It's like cheap lean cuts.
Okay.
This is not like filet mignonlike, In New York.
But it's.
It's still good, but like halfa cow or something.
So that's what I was actually,I was talking to some people about,
like, get like the deepfreezer and get the.
Get the cow.
And it's like.

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But I don't.
But even like.
Like the one that PastorGeorge got, that that cow is super
lean.
Like, we try to cook thebrisket really was.
It wasn't good.
Well, it's not that it wasn't good.
It was really good.
It just had no fat.
Like, there was no marbling.
Man, it was super.
Especially if you go grass fed.
Like, it's gonna be.
Yeah, it's gonna be superlean, but it's good.
But it's like, yeah, I'm adeep freezer.
Like, I like a little marble.
Yeah.

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I'm not gonna lie.
Like, I like a little ribeye.
And I just did New Yorkyesterday for our last pool party
at our house with somebody's.
And so I gotta be like, in New York.
And it's like, oh, I forgothow good it is.
Like, I've been on the Londonbroil and it's like, eat it.
Basically like mid rare.
We're almost rare to like haveany flavor, really.
Yeah.
But the New York was.
But it's for purpose, a goal.
It's not like I enjoy thismeal, right?

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I tell people all the time, Ieat for purpose, not for pleasure.
Right?
So, like, I mean.
I mean, I like that soundslike a sermon.
It was like, it's a goodsermon illustration, right?
Like, I live for purpose, not pleasure.
Right?
So it's like in this area now.
Of course I love food.
I mean, my wife just.
She's Mexican, so she made metacos last night.
And so it's like she had somechissfirit chicken.
She's like, you want tacos?
Like, yeah, baby, I do.

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So, I mean, I will down some tacos.
Like she cheat dates in there.
Yeah.
Like there's still protein involved.
But it's like.
I mean, she fried me up sometacos, so salt.
So you did the corn?
Corn.
Corn or tortilla?
Flour tortilla.
That was.
It was a corn tortilla and shefried it.
He's like, you know, sourcream, a little bit of cheese and
some salsa.
Okay.
What do you guys get down on?
Well, bdubs, we like Texas Roadhouse.

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Texas Roadhouse is really goodfor the amount of money you pay.
But I did get half a cow, soI'm still working through that.
Oh, so you.
You did it yeah, yeah, it'sthe grass fed cow.
It's not the, the meat's notas good as.
Because it's, it's, you know,it's real.
We're so used to that fake stuff.
No, it's true.
It's all GMO'd out and so well that.
We made some pretty good outof that.
Cuz.
You had some wagu hamburger meat.

(03:54):
We did some really good, likesmash burgers.
We did some smash burgers.
Wagu burger.
Oh, dude, that was, that was.
They threw it in there like toentice you to next time buy the wagyu
instead of the other.
Have you had like proper wagyuat like a restaurant?
Like the, like, like a steak?
I don't think so.
Yeah, it's like you haven'thad a steak 44 or something like
that.
I think 44 is just a regular.
Yeah.
Cow.
Just a cow.

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Not.
Not.
I don't know if it's supergrass fed or.
I think the wagyu.
Wagyu there.
Higher up diet.
Yeah, it's a tomahawk and it'slike three.
It's crazy expensive.
Yeah, it's wild.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that was.
It was pretty good, man.
Those bash burgers came outpretty, pretty bomb.
And I mean, it was, you know,there was the onion and we did it
on the Blackstone and just.
Yeah, it was, it was pretty good.
I'm not gonna lie.
It was good.
If it's not a steak, right.

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When you buy a cow, it's in ahamburger patty pretty much for that
most part.
Okay, so that's how they giveit to you, all the rest of the cow.
Yeah, but there's one here inthe valley I know that does grass
fed and then they finish itoff three months with green.
So there's a little bit morecorrect density, marbling.
There's a flavor to it.
You gotta have a little bit of flavor.
Yeah.
I just got so sick of chicken.

(04:56):
It's like, I just want themeat, dude.
I want the steaks.
I know a lot of bodybuildersdo chicken.
Chicken and rice.
Chicken.
Chicken's just cheap.
It's cheaper than steak.
That's why.
And it's leaner.
Right?
So it's like too much red meatcan be bad for your cholesterol.
But that's the more marble.
Like, that's the more marble.
So like if you eat lean but more.
But yeah, like I was living onchicken press or chicken thighs for
years.
It's all I would eat.

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And you're like I cannot.
I cannot eat chicken anymore.
So, yeah, it's.
It's so good.
But I'm happy.
I'll do canes.
I'll eat canes all day.
I love canes.
Canes is, like, my guilty pleasure.
I'll take the guys out.
Like, guys, you want to do cane's.
And it's like, I always regret it.
I feel sleepy.
And I teach.
I'll eat it before I eat.
Like when I preach on Thursday.

(05:37):
And I'm like.
I feel like I'm falling asleepin the pulpit.
Like, I'm drowsy, like I'm yawning.
It's like, man, but I love Cane's.
Cane's is like our families.
Like, our kids are always.
It's like, in and out.
Yep.
Chick fil A or canes.
And it's expensive, though.
Like, taking the family out.
Like, 60, 70 bucks.
I feel like, for the four ofus, crazy.
And it's like, guys waters.

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I know.
That's.
That's kind of why we, like,in and out.
I mean, it's.
Maybe we went just today.
It's still cheap.
Four of us, 40 bucks at 10bucks a pop.
I mean, that was pretty reasonable.
The most part, yeah.
Ks are kind of going up.
Chick fil A to me, is superexpensive, and especially for the
amount that you get, becauseyou don't get as much.
The portions are not that big anymore.
No Chinese food.
You feel hungry in a couple hours.
I know.
Goes quick, like sushi.

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Yeah.
It just goes crack.
Get you.
Why?
I want to go back.
Yeah, I know, right?
Gets you hooked up.
I. Fructose corn syrup.
There's nothing healthy,though, at Canes.
No, there's not water, but.
But you can actually getgrilled chicken.
You can have them.
You can do unbreaded at Canes.
Really?
Yeah.
It's a little hack.
I wish you had never told me that.
I know.
Now you're like.

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Or you can double bread it.
You do have an option.
You can double bread.
You can double bread it.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
There's always hacks.
I.
You can do better on bothsides on the bread.
Bob.
Bob.
The Bob.
Bread.
Yeah.
The sandwich.
Well, that's what we like bdoes because they use beef tallow
to.
To fry the wings, you know,So, I mean, it's.
And they're good.
Feel better.
My poor choices.
Yeah, exactly.

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But then you end up doingfries, and it's just, you know, you
throw it out the window, youknow, so somewhat.
Wings are our.
That's our family.
Like, movie Night.
We get wings.
So we don't do Borrows or Wingstop.
Yeah.
And we'll order them.
And it's like, I've never beento Wingstop.
It's pretty good.
Bomby bomb, dude.
It's better than Borrows,which we were doing.
Borrows all the time is not bad.
Wingstop, they're crispy andsnappy and then gooey, bro.
And so.
And they like this garlicparmesan wing that's.

(07:23):
So we've been doing just.
Just Wingstop, and.
And it comes with fries for free.
Really?
And it's like 50, 60 bucks forlike, 20 wings and fries and ranch
and the whole bit or whateverit is.
It's.
But it's so like, that's ourmovie night go to as a family.
Is like, wings.
Like, she just text me, like, wings.
Yes, yes, yes, baby.
When I get home, feed me wings.
Yeah, I do like wings now.

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We love wings.
We go.
It's so bad.
They know us.
And they.
There was this one waitressthat, like, she pretty much knew
our order.
Like, she just quit.
Oh, you're there.
We're there, like, at leastonce we.
He's there, like, what, threeto four times?
Sometimes three times.
Because right by work, heworks close to them.
Okay, okay.
And then you tell people about it.
Then they go, and they like it.
And so now they want to gowith you during the week, and you're
like, wow, I want to get a burger.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is not good.
Yeah, it is good, but not good.
Good, not good.
Yeah.
It's not fright and tell.
It's pleasure, not purpose.
Exactly the opposite.
I don't know what my body getsfrom that substance.
Not a lot.
A little bit.
Yeah.
There's something there.
There's calories.
Yeah.
I'm gonna have to startthinking about that.
I'll start meditating on that purpose.

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Not pleasure.
Yeah.
You can apply it toeverything, right?
Fitness, everything.
Right.
I mean, our whole life, right?
We.
We live on pleasure.
Yeah.
Which is very Hellenistic.
I mean, we're getting into theBible, but, like, that's very.
It's very the world, right.
It's like pleasure driven,even, like finances.
You can be ambitious and be wealthy.
Yeah.
The world does it for pleasure.

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We do it for purpose.
Yeah.
Right.
The more that we make, themore I can give back or build the
kingdom for others or blessfamily, friends.
The world does it for pleasure.
Right.
It literally says the prayersthat you don't answer.
Right.
In James, the reason Goddoesn't answer your prayers is because
you ask amiss so that you willspend it on yourself.
Right.
So it's like as much as we try to.

(09:11):
Right.
Like, I want to be dominatedby purpose, not pleasure.
Now, of course I still have fun.
I'm like a weirdo, I guess.
Like, I'm a monk.
Like, no fun kids.
Like, what's the purpose of gaming?
It's like.
No, that's pleasure.
Like, for sure, you know?
Sorry, babe, we're not goingto Canes tonight.
Sorry about that.
Yeah, you gotta find a purposein it first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Evangelize one person and thenit'll redeem.

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Yeah, exactly.
I don't have the four.
I had more money.
I know, right?
Right.
I'd have a repair one to 12.
Oh, you're a Jordan guy.
My wife is a shoe.
She's a shoe.
Oh, that too.
Yeah.
He's got more pairs than I do, but.
Yeah, my pairs you got.
I'll be honest, confess it.

(09:53):
Probably all.
All shoes or just Jordans.
Okay, how about just Jordans?
Maybe 15 pairs.
That's a.
That's a collection.
Yeah.
Maybe have like 70 pairs of shoes.
Yo, that's a bedroom forshoes, dude.
I think I got five books.
Five different boogers.
Oh, my word.
Yeah.

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And you got some Barclays.
You got.
You got some shoe shoes.
The old.
I mean, the new Jordans liketo play basketball in.
And he's got the old school and.
The old school ones.
Yeah.
And just dress shoes, boots.
Wow.
Oh, I said I'm never buyingnew shoes for Christmas because you
don't need that.
I don't need anything.
It's just gravy from here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just for fun.
Yeah, pleasure.
That's good for pleasure.
It's not for need.
If I got another.
Another pair of shoes, I'd be.
I'd live to be for 150 andstill be good.
That's crazy.
Wow.
70.
That's cool.
Yeah.
Good for you.
Yeah.
Shall we get in it?
Let's get it.
All right, before we get into the.
To the content here, I justwant to remind you guys, if you guys
can visit us online, you canreach us at AbundantLife FM.

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Or you can find us on Meta,which is Instagram and Facebook.
And you can also follow PastorJason on.
You're on Instagram.
What's your handle?
I think it's just Jason Feaser.
And then Tick tocks.
I think Pastor Jason Feaser.
Okay.
So.
But I think Instagram justJason Feaser.
Okay.
Yeah.
Nothing fancy.
Definitely, definitely followPastor Jason here.
And.
And yeah, so we're going to betalking today.

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We had mentioned last time inour last podcast, we were going to
do a Charlie Kirk memorialtype of episode.
And recently with.
With all of the events thathappened, I had attended a Wednesday
night, and Pastor Jason hadpreached sort of a memorial, and
Pastor Jason knew Charlie Kirkpersonally, which I thought this
was.
You know, it was.
And it was an encouragingmessage because it was.

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It was a message of, hey,church, we need to wake up.
What are we going to do with this?
I mean.
I mean, we all felt the painof a brother that was murdered, that
was assassinated, that wasmartyred, and we felt that pain.
I know I did.
We didn't know him personally.
Saw someone.
I had seen him personally atan event.
We didn't meet him personally,but we saw him.

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And then obviously, most of usfollowed him online.
You feel like you know him.
Yeah.
Even if you didn't know him,you knew him because everyone was
learning from him.
Right.
He was.
He was.
Yeah.
Crazy smart.
Oh, my gosh.
So, yeah, when that.
When it happened, and heactually was.
Was killed on my birthday.
That was my birthday.
Oh, my gosh.

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And so my day started offreally good, and then it went really
south really quick.
Right, right.
And the next couple days, Iwas just.
My heart hurt like I was.
It was just.
It was painful.
And.
But then, you know, heard themessage on a Wednesday night, and
I thought, man, we.
You know, this is.
This is revival.
This is going to happen likeGod, you know, whatever was meant
for evil, God meant it for good.
And so he will take whateveris evil, and he will make it good.

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And so.
So I. I thought, man, thiswould be a perfect opportunity to
bring you in on the podcast.
So thank you for.
Yeah, of course.
For joining us.
And so Sasso's going to kickus off with some key verses here,
and then we're gonna.
We're gonna jump into somequestions and some content here.
All right?
First Corinthians 16, verses30, 13, 14.
Be watchful.
Stand firm in the faith.
Act like men, be strong.

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Let all that you.
You do be done in love.
Romans 13, 11.
Besides this, you know thetime that the hour has come for you
to wake from sleep, forsalvation is nearer to us now than
when we first believed.
Amen.
And.
And that's kind of how itfeels like.
It just feels like it is.
We feel like we're in the last days.
We feel like that time has come.

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100 and.
And, you know, even today.
We were talking a little bitabout that today, and.
And so what would you say,Pastor Jason?
You know, you, you knewCharlie Kirk and you, you kind of
sat under some of his teaching.
So can you tell us a littlebit about that and what, you know,
what maybe you kind of learnedfrom him?
He, I, one thing I didn't knowthat you mentioned that he, he would

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mentor pastors and I didn'tknow that.
I mean, he did a lot of thingsI did.
I just don't know about.
Yeah, yeah, he had, he had alot in.
Yeah, yeah, he, he madehimself available and again, I didn't
know him super well.
Right.
I shook out to shake his handa couple times and waved to him and
we were in the same room a lot.
But you know, he had his crew,you know, that was with him early

(14:07):
on.
But I got invited into theprocess with a guy that I mentored,
a guy named Jared Fleming, whothen became Charlie's number two
of Ops.
And now he works for Eric Metastas.
I don't know him.
So he got kind of scoutedbecause this Jared's amazing and
I wanted him at Calvary still.
He was like my Timothy.
And so Jared got scooped up byCharlie, was basically running Turning

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Point Faith, was a director ofOps, and then now he works for Eric
Metastas and he's crushing it.
And he's this young, young,handsome guy.
Just.
Yeah, he's blonde, blue eyed.
Like he's like a Joseph.
Like you're like, come on, man.
Like he's a football star.
Like he was a quarterback.
His dad was a cop andradically safe.
Anyway, so he got me in theroom with, hey, they do these pastors

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conferences and he does theFreedom Nights.
So it started with the FreedomNights in Arizona where at Dream
City Church they were on Tuesdays.
And before the Freedom Nightevent, he would have a roundtable
with pastors.
And so it'd be like, we'retalking like maybe twice this room,
10, 15 pastors.
And he would just do Q A andsit with you and have dinner and

(15:11):
basically make himselfavailable and resource you.
And hey, what do you need guys?
Like, oh, you want this book?
Like, here's a good book onMarxism and here's a good book on
communism and here's a goodbook on, you know, politics in American
church.
And he would just take Q andA's behind the scenes and then we
would all sit in like this VIPsection, which was a sweet way to
bless the pastors of like, theservice would start, he would still

(15:33):
be with us, and then we'd allwalk in together, sit in this section.
And then he would go up thereand be in front of thousands of people
and do his whole thing.
And he's been with us for twohours, so it was really cool.
And then they changed it fromTuesday to Wednesday, and so I couldn't
keep going to those.
But then they started doingthese pastors conferences and these
pastor summits with TurningPoint, and I was like, I want to
go to that.
And then the time my wifestarted working at Mosaic, and she's

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like, well, I'm producing them.
Like, I'm there, and I'm.
I'm backstage working with thespeakers, and I'm like, I'll go.
I'll go hang out with you, babe.
Like, we can sit in the samehotel room.
And so the church was cool.
They flew me out and then wasable to just sit under all their
teaching.
And, yeah, like, I wrestledwith early on, the church and politics

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separate thing, which I thinka lot of Christians early on are
confused on, is the churchreally is not supposed to get too
fired up about politics andconfusing politics with ethics and
our Christian ethos or ourChristian worldview.
And we stay out.
We can't endorse candidates,so therefore, we don't speak on anything

(16:34):
except maybe abortion.
Right.
And, like, we're not influential.
We're not out there.
We're not debating.
And so I was actually thepassion that was, like, super anti
politics.
And it wasn't until Charliethat it was like, oh, okay, I'm convicted.
Like, if not us, who?
Oh, everyone else.
The world and atheists andliberals and the Wokies, and they're.

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They've got all the words.
And we.
The church is bad.
And that's what I was talkingabout on one of the Wednesdays.
Like, we're the ones that gaveup ground.
Like, the church used to bethe influential party.
We've backed out.
We gave up that ground, andthe world and the devil gobbled it
up and rose up.
All these crazy people thatare writing our legislation, and
the church backed out and thencry about terrible law.

(17:19):
Yeah.
Well, look at the public schools.
Look at all that.
Yeah.
Because we left.
Yeah.
We built our own schools.
Right.
Like, praise God for Christianschool, but do you know what I mean?
Really?
We pulled out.
And then we complain about society.
Yeah.
So.
But yeah, he was so.
So he was super influentialand really got me fired up.
And.
And that was when it was like.
So we had just touched down onan airplane.

(17:40):
We were flying back from vacation.
So the day that Your birthday.
The day that he was assassinated.
We flew in, touched down inDallas or something, and that's.
When did you hear about dad Charlie?
And it's like, what?
So my wife knew his wife,Erica, and they were buddies, and
so just.
Yeah, it really feels like.
It's like, okay, he was notour best friend.

(18:00):
We're not trying to.
I know people are out there.
Like, all of a sudden,everyone's Charlie's best friend.
Yeah, of course.
Right.
Like, trying to be, but whatever.
So we were not that close.
But we were close enough thatit's like, this is.
I can't believe this happened.
This is crazy.
Of what we've just seen inforest history.
The first really majorassassination since a long time.

(18:23):
Years.
And someone that wasinfluential and inspiring.
And so we were.
We were rocked.
We were sitting in the.
In the.
The airport.
We're like, yeah, he's.
He's.
He's dead.
He's gone.
It was like, you're just like,you're in shock, and your stomach,
like, adrenaline.
It just felt so out of body.
This could not have happened.
That's not him.
This is wild.

(18:43):
Lord, what are you doing?
But then you see.
Oh, okay, Lord, I see whatyou're doing.
You took Charlie home for yoursovereign purposes.
I don't understand.
But what has happened?
Look what's happened.
Church.
Did you see that?
Stat?
Church.
Church attendance is up 15%and Bible sales are up, like 20%

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since his death.
Wow.
Right there.
Boom.
I'm hearing from people allaround the world, I'm going to church
for the first time.
I'm going to the church forthe first time.
I'm returning to church after15 years.
I'm returning to church.
I have a lady from Englanddisrobed me.
I'm returning to church after40 years.
Wow.
40.
So, like, okay, Grandma, like,praise God.
Like, never too late.
Let's go.
So it has now inspired acertain level of boldness that it's

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like, okay.
I think that morning of the.
Of the memorial, we startedwatching it on tv, and there was
this guy that came on.
They.
They interviewed him, and he's like.
He was at the memorial.
He's like, I. I didn't knowCharlie Kirk.
I didn't never follow him.
And my daughter told me abouthim, and now I'm here.
And now we.
Now we want to go back to church.
Like, it was just like.
And I told my wife, I'm like,there's going to be a revival today.
I think I texted you the samething that morning.

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And I just.
I felt that, like, that justthat electric, I don't know, feeling
that morning, it was just.
And just watching.
They were playing praise musicon, on the memorial.
Like people were preaching the gospel.
Like it was just, it was.
Oh, yeah, those are national leaders.
Right.
That we've elected or they putinto office that were speaking.
Yes.
About God, which we have.
I mean, we go back four years.

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Right.
That's not happening.
No, that's a totally differentmindset of, I think, civil justice.
Civil things, but not lifechanging internal things.
That it was at that event.
Right.
And that's what it was.
It's funny.
Like, I even go to my dad's house.
My dad has a news on all the time.
It used to drive me nuts.
And not only that, he wouldwatch the more like liberal type

(20:33):
news, but he's been watchingFox, which is okay.
It's an improvement, but whatever.
But it's funny because theywere talking and, and they were talking
about spiritual warfare onenight and I was like, did I just
hear that on, on the news?
Spiritual warfare?
Like wild.
Are you kidding me?
You know, they had J.D.
vance on there and he wastalking about some, you know, spiritual
things.
Obviously.
I think he's Catholic, but.
But I mean, it's just, you know.

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But they're still talkingabout this stuff on national tv.
Netflix streamed the memorialand Hulu streamed the memorial.
Yeah.
I mean, it's 100 million viewsonline worldwide, which blows my
mind too, because.
Netflix is super liberal.
Oh, it's awful.
Crazy, apparently, right?
Yeah, yeah, true.
That's true.
I know.
I just saw people now arecanceling their Netflix because of

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some, some bit about makingfun of his death now.
Yeah, apparently one of thecreators, like.
They did like a transgenderkids cartoon.
I saw that too.
I was making fun of them.
So Elon Musk, so he has a big.
I mean, he owns Twitter, So Ithink 20 million, $20 billion they've
lost since he told him.
Took a spike.
They showed the graph and you just.
Just saw it like waterfalls.
Go w. Go broken.

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That's it.
Started putting cartoons upthat showed that.
Yeah.
You know, two women, you know,hugging, like on a kid show.
And he's like, this is not.
And Elon's not.
Not a believer from what I know.
No, but he was at the memorialand I heard he was nodding his head.
You like?
And I have to sound like, oh, that's.
But, but, but yeah, he washearing the gospel, I mean, from
Rob McCoy, the other pastors.
I heard people that were closeto him, like he was nodding his head.

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So it's like he's hearing it, he's.
The seeds are being planted,you know, I mean, this guy, I think
he's going to get saved.
My thought is he gets saved.
Trump.
We see major transformationTrump's life.
I mean, these are the mega,the biggest, most powerful, influential
people in the room.
The whole entire cabinet wasthere for the first time in the history

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of the country.
Did you know that the entiregovernment cabinet was at the memorial?
The first time in history withsome precedent in what's happened.
And again, this guy wasn't apastor and he wasn't a politician.
He was just Charlie Kirk,which is what I told the church.
Like, he was not an ordainedpastor now.
He was pastoral.
He was not a political figure,but he was a politician.
But he wasn't like an office.

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He was him.
He was a personality.
He was a movement.
And look what's happened.
But, you know, his movementwasn't, like you said, it wasn't
political, but it.
Was truth, it was true.
It was like the truth.
And that's what's refreshingabout things right now, because it's
like we have all these like,just, it's just satanic, basically
what it is, it's lies andpeople believe these lies.
But it's just so refreshing tohave truth being taught, being told,

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being communicated.
Well, I think at one point, right.
There's all these things thatwere said about Charlie Kirk, that
he's racist, things like that.
So people started to reallywatch these videos and they're starting
to say, well, that's out of context.
Right, right.
That's not what he said.
That's not the case.
It's about a new wave ofpeople back to say, wow, what he
see and his message throughoutwas weave with the gospel, which

(23:22):
was very powerful, that peopleare now going back and saying like,
well, that's not true andthat's not accurate.
Yeah.
And if that's what it means tobe here, then I'm, I'm here because
I don't agree with.
Yeah.
You laughing or celebratingsomeone getting murdered.
That's not what I stand for.
The celebrations on Tik Tokwere crazy.
The death celebration videos,it was.
And now a lot of peoplegetting canceled.
But it's, it, it shows thelevel of depression, depravity that

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we're at here.
And, and, and I, it's like,and, and the hypocrisy is that we
would.
Can you imagine the uproar ifwe were celebrating.
Oh yeah.
On Tick Tock making funny bits.
Oh yeah.
Ding dong the witch is Deadabout somebody on their side of the
line that was a majorpolitical figure that just got there.

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You know, a violent murder, assassination.
If we were on there making funof it, would there.
The world would be upside down.
They would be rioting.
It would be fine.
It'd be civil war.
But there was no rioting, right?
No looting, right?
No Teslas being caught onfire, no Molotov cocktails being

(24:26):
thrown at cop cars, no townsbeing destroyed.
Nothing except for prayervigils, revival church attendance
spiking, and the biggestmemorial service the world's ever
seen.
Give me a break.
Like, look at the difference anyway.
Yeah.
No, I'm so fired up.
Who do you want to associatewith, right?

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It's.
You see it.
You see it.
People are switching.
People are flipping.
People are coming over going,if this is what it is, I'm out.
Like, if these videos or.
Or even how they've responded,like, I'm out.
And now that I've listened tothis, like you said, now that I've
listened to the.
The clips that they had soundbited to cancel Charlie.
And once they've looked at the.
The context, they're going,oh, this guy was not a racist at
all.
He was actually very endearingand very kind, so compassionate.

(25:10):
Like that clip of him.
He was complimenting theAfrican American's daughter, how
beautiful she was, howprecious she was.
He said.
And the guy's like, no racistwould say their daughter's precious
and beautiful.
You kidding me?
Like, they would be like, sohe was.
Dude, he was.
He was so nice.
He was.
He could.
He would get snarky sometimes,but he was so nice.
I think his only flaw is hedrinks Starbucks.

(25:32):
Yeah, he definitely saw him.
I ran into him in Kierland's.
We were in Scottsdale, and Iwas out with my kids, and we were
waiting to go to snooze.
That restaurant being the snooze.
Speaking of food, snooze, bro.
And over in Kierland's, like,our little, like, getaway.
And we're just sitting there,and then.
And then Charlie just walks bywith, like, a four pack, like, the.
Like, the carrying case.
I was like, hey, Charlie.
And he's like, almost like hewas caught guilty.

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Like, he's got all theseStarbucks drinks.
I'm like, what's up, dude?
And he's like, hey, dude.
You know?
And he's just out in the wild,you know?
It's like, hey, bro.
But, yeah, he loved.
Loved the coffee.
Yeah, well, he drank.
I think my wife said it wassome kind of tea he would drink before
British tea.
Yeah.
Just because his throat is coat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he would.
It was some kind of mintsomething or the.
I can't remember what, butsomething like that.

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Honey.
Hot tea with honey.
Yeah.
Something like.
Cody knows what it is.
Yeah.
I get some Starbucks.
You can ask for the CharlieKirk special that are not woke and
they'll.
Serve it to you.
Were they really?
I heard that they're trying topush for that, like to make it an
official item, the menu or something.
There's no way they're good.
Oh, they're the worst.
Yeah, I love.
And I love coffee too.
I'm like, listen, I do it, but I'll.
I'll make my own.

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Yeah, don't do Starbucks.
Yeah, no, thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
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And that's what the sign fromTurning Point has is never surrender.
And it's a picture of him andthen has his life like 1993 to 2025.
Yeah, those people are really nice.
I mean, I shook their hand andthanks for talking about.
I'm sure they probably getflack from people that walk by their

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sins and say things.
And I bet they do just evil.
Like it's.
Well, now it's dangerous.
Now it's officially dangerousto be affiliated with them.
Right.
There was.
There was bomb scares, therewas bomb threats.
They found live bombs at.
Down at the headquarters.
Right.
Like people were vandalizing.
They found moltoff cocktailsdown there.
Like it's now officially dangerous.
And like even my wife Alyssawas processing.

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What if this is my husband andyou're a preacher, you're outspoken,
you're getting, you know, more ability.
Sure.
Yeah.
Like I, I don't want, youknow, it's weird to talk.
Yeah.
I have bigger platforms nowonline by accident.
I didn't want it to happen.
It just has happened.
But she was processing.
Like, what if this was My husband.

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It actually now could beanybody, and especially the more
vocal you are.
And.
And I guess she was so closeto backstage, she actually had to
handle the microphone that hewas shot holding.
And so she was.
They presented it on stage.
And so the Secret Service gaveher the microphone that Charlie was
holding while he was shot, andit still had blood on it.

(28:43):
And it was just.
And she's like.
I got so emotional like this.
What.
She's like, it was like 4 inthe morning.
I wasn't prepared for this.
And then she said, all Ithought was, what if my husband was
holding this mic?
And, you know, and like, theyhave, like, they put it, I guess
out on the.
So it's like there's now.
This level of.
There is now danger to post.
There is now an.
Yeah.
Like, it's.
It's.

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It's a new world now.
Of.
You are outspoken about thebig things.
Transgenderism, LGBTQ plus, whatever.
Abortion.
Really anti.
Anything wokey.
Well, it's just persecution ofthe church in.
In the end.
Right.
Because, I mean, this isreally what we speak out against.

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I mean, it's like you were saying.
I mean, it's, you know, howpolitics meets the Bible.
But we should be taking ourpolitics from the Bible.
We don't put politics into the Bible.
Correct.
We take them out of.
Correct.
But this is all, you know, thesanctity of life and, you know, it's
about sin.
It's about, you know, it'sabout this type of stuff.
But, yeah, you speak outagainst it.
And of course, it's all spiritual.
I mean, at the end of the day,the reason Charlie Kirk got shot

(29:47):
was it was a spiritual reason.
It was not political.
It was not political.
No, it was demonic.
It was demonic.
It was demonic.
It was Satanic.
And he.
Yes, 100%.
It was Satan filling them theheart of a lunatic.
Just like he did with Judas.
Right.
Just like he does with peopleall around the world that do his
atrocities that.
That you think, how could theydo that?
Oh, it's because Satanoccupied them.

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Yeah.
Or they opened themselves upand were vulnerable for Satanic over.
You know, some kind of an overwatch.
And.
And.
And our possession through demonic.
Like, it's.
It was satanic.
It was.
There's principalities,there's powers.
We know there's hierarchy.
We know there is demons and angels.
Pastor Mark's been doing thisangel series at our church for, like,
ever.
But it's like there is such asatanic, spiritual.

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There is a spiritual realmthat we always underestimate.
I think we can only everunderestimate because I don't think
we can really understand howbig it is behind the scenes.
Behind like just that thirddegree kind of veil.
But it was demonic, 100% demonic.
I think of Noah, right.
When Noah warned the people,they mocked him.
Him, they laughed at him, they.
They ridiculed him until therain started to come.

(30:54):
And then they realized, like,oh, like we're in trouble.
You were telling the truth and he.
Had already sealed the door orGod sealed the door.
And that's in our last episode.
That's what I feel like.
God with Charlie Kirk and justthe gospel being spread out.
100 million people viewingthat, plus countless people that
view those videos.
This is last chance to warn people.
Yeah.
Say the near.
The end is near.
Humble yourself, get in.

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Get in the ark.
And there's still people thatare mocking.
I mean, I pass on the Bible too.
A young man today, and he justsaid, I'm a Satanist.
Really?
I follow Satan.
God bless you.
And he laughed.
He thought it was funny.
And you're.
I mean, I guess immaturitywould be like, ah, kitten, go to
hell.
And then this.
But you know, another part ofme was.
Prayed for him in that momentand said, you know, God opened his

(31:35):
eyes to the.
Yeah, received.
And I pray that that young man comes.
And he was probably 15, 16years old.
I couldn't imagine at that age being.
So obstinate and sometimes.
So I was actually, you know, alot of.
Not that this, this kid, maybehe really is.
A lot of these kids are usingwords they don't even know.

(31:56):
Right.
Like does he actually attendthe church of Satan?
Does he actually understandthe tenants of.
Of the satanic church?
Right.
Like, has he ever looked atthe website?
Has he read their diet?
Like, does he even know whoAntonio, whatever that guy's name
is.
Yeah, like 10 bucks.
They don't even know what thatmeans, but they like what it represents.
Which represents anarchy.

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Down with the big man.
And it sounds rebellious andit sounds cool.
And.
And these.
My mom would always say,growing up in the place of the truth,
any lie will do.
Right.
And so when you reject Christ,the silliest lie will be fine.
The flesh will grab onto anything.
Satan will make anything sound compelling.

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Except the gospel.
Right, Right.
Which is the most compelling.
It actually makes the most sense.
It makes more sense that wewere created with a purpose than
that we crawled out of goo 2billion years ago.
Really?
Let's be honest, which onesmakes more sense?
Well, it takes more faith to believe.
That it really Does, Right, right.
There's that book, right?
You know, not enough faith tobe any, you know, an atheist.
Right?
So it's like there is a.

(32:59):
There is this, and that'sSecond Corinthians 4, 4, 4, 4, right.
That the, the God of thisworld has blinded the eyes of men
that they might not see theglorious image of Christ.
Right?
So these, they are literallydemonically blind.
There is a veil over theireyes that the spirit of God has to
pierce through the power ofthe Holy Spirit for them to be open

(33:20):
to the gospel and for theirhearts to be willing to be broken.
Yeah, but we see it happening.
There's a guy at my gym thatI've been working on.
His name's Devon and he has agiant leviathan demon like those,
like that full, like those anthorns, like freaky, scary demonic
leviathan tattoo all the wayup his neck.
And he's a raging atheist andmassive bodybuilder.

(33:42):
Like 270, 280, with abs likebrownies, like chunk, chunk, chunk,
chunk.
Like huge.
He's like 22 inch arms.
So just picture that.
Wow.
Massive guy.
Sweet, nice.
But just a raging atheist.
And I've been working on forlike five or six years.
And he is now agnostic, whichhe's like, hey, there's something,

(34:03):
I just don't know what it is.
And I'm like, I can work with that.
That's actually big.
I can't work with atheists.
There's not a lot to work with.
Except there is something.
Now he's agnostic, but we'vebeen working on and working on him
and I sent him video sermonsand clips and, you know, praying
for you.
Love you, buddy.
Proud of you, man.
And just been affectionatewith him in a godly way of just being
a buddy to him and invitinghim to church.

(34:23):
And I tell him, hey, our wholechurch prays for you.
I've talked about it from thepulpit before.
Hey, pray for Devin.
And he's like, wow, so cool.
And I'll have to come by one time.
Well, he just told me thisweek that he's leaning into Christianity
and he wants to explore it andhe's willing to come to church.
Wow.
So.
And this is like the toughest,like you would see him and turn around.

(34:43):
Kind of a guy like, like, youknow, dark alley, scary, drives a
charger, has like 14 lifted trucks.
Super successful, you knowwhat I mean?
Like worldly standards has it all.
But dude, he so.
But he's getting open to the gospel.
And he would have been oneyears ago would have said, yeah,
no thanks.
Go pound sand.
So it's like you can see thework that God's doing something.

(35:03):
So I'm excited, I'm excitedfor what's happening.
That's where I think we're inthe last, the last days, the last
times of.
And people that.
Everybody says that, butthere's a lot of things lining up.
The one world governmentthings, you know, the Arabs making
peace with one another.
Yeah.
Well, even the gospel goingout to all nations.
Was it the memorial service?
Right.
The gospel had to go out toall nations before it comes back.

(35:25):
And I had somebody say, whatif that was a memorial service?
The gospel just went to 100million people and is trending across
the entire world.
This has been the biggestpresentation of the gospel so far.
And I was like, that's a greatthought that I don't think.
I mean, there's nothing forpreventing the rapture from.
No, no, we're ready.
You have the technology to, toprevent buying and selling.

(35:46):
You know, you have that where they.
Could blackball you in one second.
They could shut down your finances.
They could freeze your bankaccount statements.
They could, they could takeaway your, your Social Security number.
They could delete you and you.
And there's.
Now there's new chips thatjust came out and where was it?
Uk?
British Britain.
Yeah.
Now they're starting to do that.
So it's like it, it's lined up.
Even like when the, when thetwo witnesses come and they, they're
slain and it says thateverybody can see.

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It'll be broadcasted.
You can see.
Stream it right now frompeople's phones.
Like everybody can see that.
40 years ago you would thoughtthat's impossible.
Right.
How would the whole world seean event?
No, now it's live streamed ortick tock or it'd be shared on Twitter
in a heartbeat and it would be viral.
Like Charlie Kirk.
Right.
That was seen by everybody.
The world, the whole world saw it.
And if they didn't see itlive, they saw.
I mean there's somebody.
Recordings are three seconds, right?

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Yeah.
I'm not seeing it.
I don't want to see it.
Don't watch it.
It, don't watch it.
Yeah, yeah, I heard it was.
Yeah, it's like I've watchedenough stuff where I felt like there's
no point except to say thatyou did.
And it's like, I don't need to.
If I saw it by accident, like,okay, but I had some buddies that
said I forced myself and Iregret it.
It's just, it's, It's.
Well, that's the thing.
It's like right now, like,there's, there's all these videos,
you know, with all theconspiracies and everything going

(36:49):
on.
And I just think to myself,like, this is what Satan wants.
He wants to deceive, number one.
He wants to.
He wants to distract is whathe wants.
And it's like, yeah, I do carewhat happened, but at the same time,
like, I'm not going to wastemy time trying to figure it out or
trying to solve the mysterybecause I think at the end of the
day, none of us really knowexactly, like, what.
What really happened.
Sure, God knows.

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God knows.
But at the end of the day,like, I think this is more of what
do we need to do going forward?
And this is kind of what.
Kind of what we want to moveinto here in, in the content as well.
But what, what, what's, like,what's our next step?
Like, what should we be doing?
Like, as a church, we need towake up, right?
We need to.
To.
We need to get going.
I mean, it's like Sasso said,we are in the last days.
I believe it too.
I. I feel it.
I feel some.
There's something.
There was a shift or somethingthat happened when Charlie was.

(37:32):
Was assassinated.
And I don't know, you just,you feel it.
There's something different,you know, what would you, what would
you say?
Like, what, what do we need to do?
What does the church need to do?
Yeah, I think first, like yousaid the Romans 13:11, right?
Where the time is now, youknow, gone.
The days at hand cast all theworks of darkness, right?
The salvation is nearer to usnow than we first believed.
Like, there is no more time toplay and to sit on the fence.
Like that old saying, thedevil owns the fence, right?

(37:55):
Like, there's no more fence riding.
You really have to pick your side.
Are you with Christ?
Are you with the Antichrist?
And then you need to be vocal.
I really think it is.
If Charlie stood for anything,it's that anyone can approach a mic
and talk and he wasn't goingto bite your head off.
And the research, like, theresources and the research is out

(38:16):
there for you to educate yourself.
And I talked about it a coupleWednesdays ago.
It's like, we've got to stopbanking on the celebrities to defend
the faith that I believe.
Like, you can't just sendsomeone a reel and be like, see,
that's why I believe.
That doesn't matter.
That's what that person believes.
What do you believe?
And I don't think ourgeneration really has the articulation
and the apologetic anymorethat those old guys used to have

(38:39):
that would go debate on campuses.
Like Cliff.
Oh, what's his name?
He was one of the legends.
Cliff.
Oh, Pastor Cliff.
What was his last name?
Lord.
But he would just go and justopen square debate and.
And you don't see a lot ofthat anymore.
We.
Ravi, too, you know, he kindof went down.
Yeah, he went bad, right?
Yeah, he was a sour.
But yeah, like, there was the old.
You know, even like, answersin Genesis.

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You guys remember answers inGenesis with like, Ken, those guys,
same thing.
They would just debateatheists all the time.
And we've lost the art of debate.
We've lost the art ofdiscourse, and we've lost the ability
to have the apologeticassociated with defending the faith
of why we believe what webelieve versus just because my parents
told me or.
Or what the Mormons say.
Because I feel it.
Yeah.
Like that's what the Mormons use.

(39:22):
The burning in my bosom.
Like, we can't.
Yes.
I. I think that is a point tosay my personal experience.
Sure.
But people have a personalexperience with Buddhism too, so
they.
They could use the same argument.
So I think for.
We've got to wake up.
Which.
Which waking up, I think,requires a couple of things.
I think one, there needs to bean awareness of sleep and drowsiness.
You have to know that you're asleep.

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There has to be this momentwhere you have this reckoning with
the Lord, where you have to goback to where you started.
Kind of like the church is Laodicea.
Right.
To return to your first love.
Right.
Or one of the churches in Revelation.
Right.
Where it's like, back, go back.
Do not pass.
Go, go back.
Do not collect.
Start over.
Like, you have drifted andyou've been drowsy and you've been
quiet.

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Repent.
Yeah.
Truly.
Like, you've been quiet in thebreak room.
People are talking trash.
People are gossiping.
You don't speak up.
You don't challenge your friends.
You don't lead with integrityfrom the home.
You're not leading your wife.
You're not.
You're not pastoring your children.
You're just drifting andyou're just sleepy.
That's exactly what Jesuslike, that's exactly what Jesus will
call you out of and exactlywhat the devil wants you to stay

(40:27):
in, which is sleepy.
Christians do nothing.
They don't build nor tear down.
They just take up space andthey fill our pews.
They fill Our, like, what arethey doing?
Right?
And so, So I think trulythere's a repentance element of I
have not been living as boldlyas I should have been, and as boldly

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as the people who've comebefore us are, and as boldly as Christians
are living around the worldbeing slaughtered.
Yeah, I was going to say, noone's talking about Nigeria.
Seven thousand to year, to date.
It's like genocide's happening.
I just, I saw some clips ofthese villages running, and all you
hear is just guns, and there'sjust hundreds of people fleeing down

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this hill.
And they're all.
They're all Christians beingliterally just gunned down.
I mean, it's horrific.
And no one's talking about it,you know, and it's like.
And we're complaining over,you know, going to work early for
15 minutes.
Minutes.
It's just like, come on, guys, man.
There's literally life anddeath on the line and hell on the
line, and there.
I don't think there is muchmore time.
I really don't.
What would you say to somebody?

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I mean, you know, there's.
There's a lot of people thatsay, you know, you know, I. I don't
feel adequate to go out andget the gospel, or I. I feel like,
intimidated or just, you know,things like that.
You know, and not that they're excuses.
I think they're legitimate.
You know, they did just.
It's a real fear, butobviously that's.

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It can be overcome.
And, and, you know, what wouldyou say to.
To something.
Someone like that kind ofdealing with that balance?
I think, I think sharing thegospel is a muscle, and I think it
would be like bodybuilding.
You start small and.
And faith is a muscle, right?
Faith without works is dead.

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Literally, it's a muscle.
So the more you use it, thestronger you become.
Faith without works, itatrophies and dissipates and your
prayers are wonky and weak andyou see new movement.
So I think evangelism, becauseit's a very faith thing.
I think it's a muscle that youhave to be like, it's scary to talk

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to somebody about the gospel.
It can be intimidating.
I'm dyslexic and I can't, youknow, something like, oh, my goodness,
I don't.
I don't know, all these crazyfactoids sometimes about archaeology
or the, you know, how did the Bible.
How was it transcribed, orwhat's the historicity of, you know,
the apostle John and was, youknow, King Nebuchadnezzar A real
king in the first century bceyou know, it's like, okay, I don't

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know, but I could find out, right?
But so I do think there's alevel of simplicity that you just
start from being simple.
You just got to go to the gym.
Maybe you're just walkingaround the gym and not even touching
any equipment.
But then, guess what you do.
You hire a mentor.
In bodybuilding, you get a trainer.
So I think at first, we'llstart with mentorship.
Your mentor should be teachingyou about the faith, and then you

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just start telling otherpeople about what you're learning.
It could be your spouse, couldbe your kids, but you just have to
start talking about it.
Yeah.
It can't be this separatething that you do on.
On Sundays or on Wednesdays oron Tuesdays or on whatever.
It's got to become part ofyour everyday life.
That way, when you're sharingthe gospel, it's not so random.

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Like, you know, hey, Ben, haveyou accepted Christ in your life?
You're like, dude, where'sthat Wingstop man?
Like, what kind of a questionis that?
You already know where youstand, and you're like, hey, Ben,
man, I've been wrestlingthrough this and working through
this passage, and I'minterested if you want to study the
Bible with me or have you evergiven God a chance?
It should be much more naturalthat you wouldn't be caught off guard

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that I want to dig deeper withyou and talk about theology or, hey,
man, I know you're not reallya church guy, but can I bounce this
off of you?
And you're just wrestlingthrough something.
Maybe you let them into yourweakness and say, I've been struggling
with the Lord on this.
But you know what?
I did some research, and Ifound that I really can't trust the
Bible.
And I don't know about you.
I've ever given God a chance.
And it doesn't have to be soweird and prude, right?
I think it's like, have youbelieved in Jesus?

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Can you.
Can I preach the gospel to you?
And you know, will you acceptthe Lord and Savior right now in
the next three seconds?
And it gets so weird.
Like, because you saw a TikTokvideo of someone doing that at a
gay rally, and it turns you off.
Like, that's the only form ofevangelism is being obnoxious and
being weird or being so boldand, like, at rallies, getting punched

(44:38):
in the face.
And you're like, well, I'm notgonna do that.
It's like, okay, I don't wantto do that either.
Yeah, Like, I think that's alittle crazy, but you can do it over
in your life.
So.
So.
So I think.
I think you start small.
One, get a mentor.
We all need a mentor.
Someone in your life that'sbeen further along, that teaches
you the ropes, tells you howto train, tells you the scriptures,

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teaches you to apologetic.
And then if anything else,you're also watching them in their
everyday life incorporateChrist when you're out and about.
So, like, I mentor, like, acouple dudes at the gym, and so I
take them from church to thegym, and they see how I interact
with other people at the gym,and I'm constantly trying.
Exactly.
Watch what I do.
Yeah, just watch me.

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You guys be quiet.
Watch me.
And I'll be like, yo, what'sup, guys?
How you doing?
You guys going to church tonight?
Like, I just found thatthere's a giant group of guys just
this last Wednesday, and I hadnever seen them before, and I've
been at this gym for, like, 10 years.
And so they were like, likeeight guys, and they were all the
same age, so it was like,very, like, where are you guys from?
And so I was like, hey, whereare you guys from?
You out of town?
Like, is this your first timeat the gym yet?

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We're all here for abachelor's party, and we're here
for a bodybuilding show, and,like, we're going cliff diving later,
and it's like, sweet, dudes.
And I was like, why do youguys want to go to church tonight?
And I was like, yeah.
And I don't tell my pastor.
I don't.
I'm not like, hey, come to my church.
Like, because that's corny, right?
So I'm just like, hey, youguys want to go to church with us?
Like, we're going to church tonight.
Like, it's a pretty rad church.
I think you like the pastor.

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Like, he's got tattoos, he'spretty handsome, and Jackson.
But it's like, hey, man.
Like, so.
But they'll watch me justincorporate and not in a weird, prude,
awkward way.
Yeah.
You know, And I even know oneguy, he just assumes everyone's a
Christian.
And so that's his strategy ishe'll just be like, hey, what church
do you go to?
He'll just assume they do.
Okay.
Yeah.

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And I'm like, it actuallyworks really well because you get
the answer.
They're like, oh, I don't goto church.
What about, like, I'm anatheist, like, oh, okay.
Oh, right on, dude.
Like, really?
How so?
Like, when did that start?
What got you into that?
And you begin.
So this guy just alwaysassumes people are Christians.
He's like, hey man, like,what's God been doing in your life?
And they're like, what's Goddoing in my life?
Gotta watch them like glitchout, you know.

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Yeah, we, we.
So we do addictions ministryand we've, we've got a lot of, of
interest in Bible studies from that.
Yeah.
So we would go and, and wewould do a Wednesday night deal and

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we would disciple some guysand, and we ended up leading his
uh, his cousin to Christ.
Oh, let's go.
Which is awesome.
Let's go.
And, but yeah, we would, wewere kind of on a, on a kick.
We had watched.
What was that, that movie thatForage or.
Yeah, the Forge.
Have you seen the Forge?
Yeah, the Forge.
And it was just kind of a, itwas a cool movie, man.
And, and just how they, theyget together as, as men and you know,

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they, they have Bible studyand it's just discipleship.
Yeah.
And so we kind of gotencouraged by that and we started
kind of doing that.
We kind of fell off with itbecause some of our guys just kind
of wouldn't show up.
We could be Ben and I. Yeah.
Yeah, we have, we have a textgroup of guys and they just, just
would, they would show for awhile there but then it kind of just
dwindled.
I feel like we need to getback to that.
But, and I enjoyed that.
I really enjoyed that.

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But I enjoy Our Friday nights,too, because Friday nights we do
our small groups and stuff.
So it's.
We get to have some.
Some good discussion and getin the Bible.
It also gives a good lesson.
And so it's.
It's just encouraging, but Ithink it's discipleship.
It's exactly what you said.
Yeah.
And it said here, like, in.
In First Corinthians says, actlike men.
And I don't think it means,like, in a masculine way, but I think,
doesn't it mean, like.
Like, we need to lead?
Like, men need to lead.

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And I was talking to PastorGeorge about this.
I'm like, man, hopefully, youknow, as he goes to his new church,
like, man, you need to get themen involved.
You need to get the men going.
Like, it's, you know, we needto, you know, make sure our homes
are locked in, loaded, and.
And make sure that, you know,men are discipling, men are learning,
men are growing in Christ.
Because that's, I think, wherethe breakdown is.

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And I think even Charlie Kirkwould talk about that.
The breakdown of the family.
The father.
100%, bro.
Yeah.
Father figure home.
And I mean, I look at 21212 togo back to what we were talking about,
and it says, for the HolyGhost shall teach you in the same
hour what you ought to say.
Yeah.
And I think that's huge, too,is sometimes we don't know what to
say, but you just do it, andthe Lord does it.
Yeah.
And you say, you go to thegym, right?
And you're like, there's somemachines I don't even know how to

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use.
And I wait for somebody to gouse it.
Like, oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, I was using it wrong.
And the same thing.
You just go out there andstart sharing your test thing.
This is what.
I don't know anything, butthis is what God 100.
That's the guy that was blind.
Like, who did it?
He's.
I don't know, but I was blind,and now I see.
Yeah, yeah.
Just the testament of what Godcan do in someone's life.
So he's got to start.
You have to just start.

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Yeah.
And.
And the average person doesn'tshare the gospel that much, and myself
included, I'm a pastor, and soit's like, I have my thing.
But even pastors aren't evangelizing.
Big, broad stroke.
I know that's.
I don't want to be dismissive.
I know there are.
But I think it's easy forpastors to get locked in their little
bubble of.
I only know Christians And Ionly engage Christians and my house

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is full of Christians and Idon't have non Christian friends.
I don't have non Christianinfluence because my bubble is literally
church.
It's you guys, it's, you know,friends come over later, they're
from church.
Monday, hanging out withfriends, they're from church.
Right.
My whole world's Calvary,which is a blessing.
That's how I think it shouldbe your whole life in a non culty,
cool way.
Right.
But like, yeah, that should be.

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But we should still beinfluential in the world in your
workplace.
And so for me, because myworkplace is literally the church,
that's where I saw the gym hasbeen like, that's like my mission
field.
Everyone knows I'm a pastor there.
Even, like, evenintentionally, like when I post online
on Instagram because theowners, it's a local gym, so it's
not a franchise, which helps.
It's a local gym here in theValley and the owner knows me and

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we have rapport.
And so when I post a sermonclip, I tag the gym and they always
reshare it.
Really?
They reshare it on their, ontheir, on their page.
And so that's what startedhappening was I'd have people coming
up to me going, I didn't knowyou're a pastor.
Like, you, you're a pastor.
Like following the gym.
Yeah, they're just from thegym and I've worked out with them
for years.
And again, I don't advertiseit because it puts a wall up.

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Right.
It's like telling someoneyou're a cop.
You're like, oh, not invitingyou to my bachelor's party.
You're like, oh, you're a pastor.
Like, oh, did I cuss?
Oh, my bad.
Oh, oh, sorry.
Well, I'm an atheist andpeople just feel like there's awkwardness
around you in the worldbecause they don't know what to do
with you.
And you're like, I'm fine.
Like, you know, like, can Iinvite you over?
Like, do you drink?
Can I cuss?
Like, my, my, you know, mygrandpa smokes out back.

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Is that okay?
And you're like, none of this matters.
I don't care.
Like, it's, I'm a normal guy dude.
Like, but anyway, so Inormally don't tell people I'm a
pastor, but, but just eventhat, like posting the clips online,
it started to.
People do what?
You're a pastor?
It's like with the tattoos,like, I would have never assumed.
And what church are you at?
And so I've tried to keep someinfluence on having secular friends.

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And again, not, not thefriends that we can have, let's be
honest.
Like, yeah, the level of depththat you can go with them, it's not
the same coin in thefellowship you have with Christ followers,
brothers and sisters, ofcourse, they're not what I would
say, safe friends.
They're people I'm trying toinfluence and draw towards Christ.
Right.
By proximity and by dialogue.
Right.
So.

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But for me, that's the gym.
Before that it was woodworking.
I was, I did.
I was a carpenter and sotrying to be like Jesus.
And I built, I built customfurniture for like five.
Yeah.
For about five years.
Yeah.
So I actually grew up near the Amish.
I'm from Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania, okay.
Yeah, we would, we would makefun of the Amish, but yeah, so.
So my dad was a constructionguy, my grandfather was a construction

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guy.
And then my dad's an I T. Guy.
Okay.
And so you could appreciate that.
But I, about, about, yeah,that was.
Been bodybuilding for six.
Before that it was woodworkingabout five years.
So I built a company, had anInstagram following and build like
custom tables, like the epoxy,beautiful, like river table, all
those beautiful.
So, and, and, and then it, itwas like hobby turned jobby.

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And then it was like this waslike a part time salary.
And then it started to getreally stressful and it became more
of a burden than like, do Iwant this to be my job?
Like, I'm a pastor, but now Igotta go home and I gotta build and
I'm not spending time with my family.
So it started to burn me out.
And then Covid hit and I waslike, I'm good.
And then I, I had kind of letmy fitness stuff go and so then I

(53:31):
got into the, the gym andstuff and then you can't have two
hobbies.
Like, let's be honest, youcan't have two good hobbies.
Maybe.
So, so, but, but even in that,I met tons of friends from the woodworking
community.
People had.
I married a couple buddy ofmine and his wife and mentored them
and met a lot of guys in thewoodworking community.
It's huge in Phoenix.
And that was my influence.
Before that I was in a beardclub and I had this big giant beard

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and it was this big giantbeard club in Phoenix.
And that was my influence.
Influence was hanging out abunch of beard guys drinking beers
and I just would hang out anddrink a water.
I talk about my face.
I'm sorry, bro.
Yeah, bro.
I wish I could go.
I can't grow it at all.
No.
But I got too much indigenous.
I have no chest.
Like, I have no.
Like, I'm just like.
Like a baby seal, dude.
Wow.

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I can't grow.
But I.
Man, if I have a Steve Harveymustache, bro, like, seriously, this.
I just trimmed it.
It was, like, gnarly.
You saw it.
It was gnarly.
It was like my whole.
Covered my whole lip.
And so I just dial it backbecause my wife hates kissing it.
And it's like, my wife don'tlike kissing it.
Yeah.
And I don't even like it.
I'm, like, eating with it.
You're, like, chewing on it.
You're, like, pulling it outof your teeth, and you're like.
So I was like, my poor wife,she's like, find the lips.

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Sorry, tmi.
So.
But we're married.
We can kiss.
But.
Yeah, we gotta be bold.
So kind of want to wrap thingsup here a little bit.
But another thing I want to dowith this episode.
So we've talked about Charlieand kind of know what.
What he was doing and how he.
How he influenced pastors andjust the whole world, essentially.

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We've talked about how tochallenge the church.
Those who are, you know, asleep.
Time to wake up.
Let's go.
But how can we exhort thechurch with this?
How can we exhort the churchwith what happened with Charlie and
what's.
What's to come?
I think by being brave.
I think first you have to seethe leaders being brave.
Right.
Because Charlie was brave.

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Yeah.
And.
And we see even other clips ofhim being berated and cussed out,
screamed at, and he's justlike, I love you.
I love you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
Yeah.
Want a hat?
Do you want another hat?
You know, like, he.
I mean, getting spit on.
He had stuff thrown at him,and he would keep showing up, being
surrounded by people that wantto eat him alive.
Like, you think of, like,those guys with Stephen.

(55:44):
Right.
Gnashing their teeth at Steven.
You saw in those audiencesthis vehement level of evil of, like,
they would rip him limb fromlimb if they could.
And he kept showing up anyway.
And I think first the churchneeds to see that their pastors are
brave.
You want to follow a brave man?
Yeah.

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Right.
I mean, who do you want tofollow into war?
A brave leader leading fromthe front, not leading from the back,
in the green room.
Right.
And, like, the pastoral suitegetting a pedicure, but telling them
to go be bold.
And they're not seeing in the past.
So I think first of all,pastors have to be brave.
I think they have to see us onthe front lines tackling these things

(56:25):
ourselves and then saying,come with me, let's do this together.
And let me equip you to feelbrave too.
Because I think bravery,encourage, I think some of it comes
from equipping, is if you'renot equipped, I don't care how brave
you are, if you're going tobattle with no bulletproof vest and
no gun and no ammo, you're notgoing to feel that confident.

(56:45):
Right?
Right.
So Ephesians, chapter four, right?
He gave the church apostlesand prophets for the equipping of
the saints, for the buildingup of the ministry so that they would
no longer be tossed to and froby every wind and cunning doctrine,
but building themselves up inChrist to the fullness and stature
of Christ.
So our job is to build up thechurch to do the job, which is to
evangelize the world.

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So we've got to equip them toknow how to answer the hard questions,
have the hard conversationsthat no one else is having, and tackle
topics that are scary, evenand controversial for us.
And.
And they have to see us doingit ourselves.
Yeah, Right.
So I think, I think we justhave to be bold, invite them to be
bold as well, without invitingthem to do something that you're

(57:27):
not doing.
It's like, again, someone'swant to work out and you don't work
out.
It's like, that doesn't work.
It's not an inspiring invitation.
They've got a fat trainer.
Yeah.
100.
Yeah.
Like you obviously don'tfollow your program.
Like you're telling me to eatmy rice and chicken and you're like
this giant monster.
It's like, come on.
Yeah, right.
Right in front of you too.
Yeah.
You're like double butter biscuits.

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Yeah.
Like.
Like, bro, you obviously don'tlive what you preach, right?
Which is what Jesus accusedthe pharisees of.
Matthew 23.
You do not practice what you preach.
Age.
Right.
You place this huge burden onothers while you live in luxury.
And so the church needs.
And that's what I loved aboutCharlie, was I was for the first
time.
Not that Calvary guys aren't,but I saw brave pastors that went

(58:10):
to prison for Covid, thatdidn't close down, that didn't buckle,
that aren't afraid to be suedby the state.
They aren't afraid to pushagainst their legal limits of the
constitution constraints ofthe 501c3 loopholes, or that said
we can say a lot more than wereally can.
And so that was, for me, waslike, these are brave men that I

(58:32):
want to be.
Like.
And when you're.
When you're around bravepeople, it's contagious.
It's contagious.
That's why when you leavechurch, you feel fired up.
It's because you're like, yes,I'm not alone.
Thank God.
Like, dude, there's at leastthree other people like me.
You know what I mean?
But there's actually thousands.
And so you leave church.
The problem is we take thatfire and then it burns up pretty
quick by Monday.

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And you're like, I'm alone again.
My boss gets scary, you know,and so that's.
That's.
That's right.
Yeah.
Like, life's still scary.
So that's where camaraderiecomes in.
That's where discipleship.
That's where the text threads.
That's where like, the brohaving the brotherhood of like, hey,
dude, I'm going to work.
I'm feeling it today.
I'm feeling anxious.
And you're not sounding like.
You're not.
Sound like a wimp.
You're sounding like a humanwho's saying, bud, I need some prayer.

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I'm struggling today.
I had a text from a coupleguys today.
Or one guy today.
Hey, I'm feeling suicidaltoday, brother.
I need some prayer.
It's like, how you doing, bub?
I love you.
Like, we've got to do thistogether or we're.
We're.
Yeah.
So.
So I think we just got to be.
We have to be brave and bearound brave people, and then we've
got to get out there and do it.
Yeah.
It's.

(59:33):
It's.
It's not.
It's not as easy as it sounds.
But we.
It's a call to do it, and.
I think we need to do it.
It's.
We have to do it.
That was the lure of Charlie Kirk.
Right.
Is that he was brave.
He did go out to these really.
If a college campus.
Right.
I went to asu.
That.
That.
That is the.
Yeah.
Really the hard ground to talkto people because these kids are

(59:54):
being indoctrinated by liberaltheology thinking anti God.
Yeah.
And he would go right into theheart and let's talk about it.
Let's show me.
Tell me what you believe.
And I'm going to share thegospel as well as politics.
And I'm going to dispel whatyou're thinking.
Yeah.
And quickly disarmed them.
And they would say, well,you're you're trying to, you know,

(01:00:15):
dunk on a college kid.
And the professors would come too.
Yeah, they would.
He would school them.
He would school the professors.
He didn't go to, you know,higher education formally.
Right.
But he.
I think he knew the word of God.
He knew his source of power was.
Was God.
And I think we gotta, asChristians say, if God before us
can be.
Against us, we go.
And sometimes you're.
You're still scared, but you go.

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Yes.
I think that's where we needto get to, to get over that.
Yes.
To not be scared, to come out.
But said, hey, with fear andtrembling, but I'm trusting in the
power 100%.
And.
And that.
Think of that verse, right?
What can mortal man do to me?
Right?
And the fear of man is a snare.
It says in Proverbs.
And there's a quote I shared acouple sermons ago with the Charlie
one, right.
Justin Martyr said, you cankill us, but you can't harm us.

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And I think we think of Jesuswhere he says, don't fear those that
can kill the body, but fearthat feel the one that can kill the
soul and the body.
Right.
The worst thing that canhappen is that we die and then hallelujah.
And then we're with Jesus.
To be absent from the body, tobe present with the Lord.
You would be doing me a favorgetting me there quicker now, of
course, not to sound morbid.

(01:01:17):
My wife would scream at me.
Right.
Of course.
I want to live for my familyand live for the Lord.
I'm not, you know, in a sense,like, I still got some stuff I want
to do, but if that were tohappen, like, that is the worst thing.
Yeah, okay.
Or get punched in the eye,like, okay, boohoo.
They have a great story about persecution.
And the Bible says, be happyyou are blessed.
If you're persecuted, you are blessed.

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It's a crown.
It's truly.
It's a special crown only forthe persecuted.
So it's like, okay, what's theworst that can happen?
I get killed.
Okay.
All right, well, let's getafter it then.
We're not playing in traffic.
We're not being reckless.
We're not being spiritually reckless.
We're stewarding our lives.
Fine.
But at the same time, theenemy is at work.

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And we do not know the day orthe hour that God will call us home.
So we live as if today is the day.
And maybe it's one person thatyou make a difference for, and you
stop and say, hey, how are you?
You look, you look worried.
How's your heart?
Have you prayed today?
I don't pray.
I'm an atheist.
Really.
I mean I find the prayer is ablessing and I talk to Lord all the

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time and just get intosomething, you know, so it doesn't
have to be so scary.
But you have to practice and what.
And then I know we got to go.
I would encourage people tomemorize openers if, if it doesn't
feel natural, memorize littleopeners like the hey, where do you

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go to church?
Or hey, how are you doing?
I've been worried about likememorize some comebacks or some openers
to get the conversation goingto be at least ahead of the game
on, on the spontaneity.
You might not be able to justbe off the cuff and spontaneous.
I would encourage people justwrite down a couple like one line
openers to get a conversationgoing with even some memorization

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of some follow ups and not tobe robotic about it.
But it does help to write downsome ideas on.
If I'm standing in line at thegrocery store, how could I strike
up a conversation with thesingle mom behind me of 14 kids and
be like wow, look at your kids.
They're a blessing.
That's.
So here's one I always use.
If somebody has a Bible name,I'll always say you don't have names

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in the Bible.
That's such a great name.
And then if I know the meaningof the name, I'll say, do you know
what that name means?
That name means blank, blank,blank, you know.
But I'll be like Sarah, Sarah.
That's a Bible name.
Sarah.
Did you know that?
Oh my goodness.
Do you know her story?
She was married to Abraham.
So I'll just go into it justfrom their name, right?
Or kids, wow.
Do you know kids?
That's a blessing.
The Bible says to have a fullquiver is to be blessed and man,

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praise God for your kiddos.
And you watch the reaction ifthey amen.
Or they go, wow, yeah, okayMr. Then I know where I'm at, right?
But I just look for any little crack.
All I need is a crack and I'mgoing to rip that window open and
I'm going to dive in as, asmuch as a naturally possible without
being like, you know.

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So I think that one of thethings to remember too is you know,
almost everybody you talk tohas something going on in their life.
It's a world broken world outthere 100% and somebody's always
dealing.
There's always somebodydealing with something.
They're Atheists, they mightbe atheists because of that.
They might be atheists becausethey think God wronged them.
Sure.
The thing I know aboutatheists is, is they know God.
Like they, they know there's aGod, they just refuse to acknowledge

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him.
They just don't wantaccountability or whatever the case
may be.
But they, they know there is a God.
So I think it's just, it'sknowing that there's a broken world
out there and I think part ofit too, something that Charlie Kirk
did very well and even Raviwhen you know, he was the way he,
he, he gave truth but it wasin love.
So it was that FirstCorinthians 13 that, you know, I'm
not speaking truth and love.
Yeah.

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I'm not a clanging symbol typeof thing.
I'm, I'm, I'm giving thistruth and love.
And I think that's one thingwe need to be cognizant about too,
is not just winning an argument.
Because it's not about winningan argument especially.
And I know you mentioned it.
Get off of social.
Stop.
Stop posting.
Yeah, I think that was, that'sa huge point.
I see a lot of, a lot.
Of our people just trollingout there.
And it's like, dude, get offof social media, bro.
Have a conversation with somebody.

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But you're not going to win anargument on social media.
You're not.
I guarantee you're not goingto flip somebody on social media.
Guaranteed.
No, you're just going to makeit more matter.
Push them the other one.
Yeah, yeah.
It'll, it'll, it'll, they'lldouble down on it.
Yeah.
It's my brother in law, right.
John.
I mean he says crazy thingsand I unfollowed him at some point
the last week because it'sjust got too much and people will
debate him and he's, and hebelieves in evil and, and good.

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Which is a God theme principle.
Right, right.
Without God, there's.
Can't borrow our principles.
Yeah.
Those are our principles andthere's nothing.
There's no bad.
He's saying there's morality.
Do whatever you want.
You want.
You don't like somebody punch them.
That's fine.
It's, that's my.
If that's good for you.
Yeah, right.
It works for me.
Yeah.
So to believe in like as you said.
Right.
Everybody believes in God.
They just don't.
They acknowledge it.
And I don't know why you talkabout someone you don't even believe

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in.
Right, Right, exactly.
That's the hope that's thewhole point.
Right.
You seem more obsessed withhim than we are.
Yeah.
Because your whole life'sbuilt on him not being real.
It's like if you didn't care,you wouldn't care.
Right, Exactly.
And you wouldn't even have tosay you're an atheist.
Santa Claus.
It's a rejection.
I don't believe in them.
Yeah.
Why do you get offended at thename of Jesus if you don't believe
in him?
100%.
Yeah.
It's an offensive name.
100%.
Oh, it is.

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Those who are lost until the saved.
It's.
It's a beautiful name.
Yeah.
Amen.
So, yeah, it's a challenge tothe church.
Wake up.
Let's go.
It's time to get everybodyinto the ark that we can before that
door gets sealed and we getthe rapture bus backs up and we get
out of here because it'scoming soon, man.
I don't know if it's in ourlifetime or not, but I hope so if

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it is.
Yeah.
I hope it's before I get,like, turn like, you know, 65, you
know, 70, like when I'mgetting all like, you know, can't
get out of bed type, I want to.
But, you know, like the Biblesays, lord, come quickly and.
And, you know.
Yeah.
Whenever he.
Whenever he chooses to, I'mready to go.
So we.
But we need to make sure thatwe can bring as many people as we

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can with us.
That's only.
That's what they say.
Right.
The only two things you cantake to heaven with you is.
Yeah.
Is God's word, because itnever returns.
Void and people.
Yeah.
Souls.
Right.
Yeah.
So let's take.
Let's get to take as many aswe can.
So.
But Pastor Jason, I reallyappreciate you coming on the show.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
It's been a blessing.
And.
And yeah, I hope you werechallenged today.
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