On this episode of ACADEMY ANONYMOUS:
- The state of the race after ANORA’s weekend DGA-PGA-Critics-Choice-wins
- Recapping some curious and possibly telling Critics Choice winners
- Why CONCLAVE is likely the only film that can give ANORA some competition
- Predicting the winners of the BAFTA 2025 awards
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Jules (00:13):
Hey, welcome back to another episode of Academy
Anonymous, I'm Jules.
And I'm Joseph, and on thisepisode, we're going to recap
some of the events that happenedlast weekend, as well as give a
forecast as to what we think isgoing to happen at the BAFTA
awards, which are going to takeplace this weekend.
Joseph (00:32):
Could be a big deal, could be a very big deal.
Jules (00:34):
Right, and so the big news out of this past week and
weekend was that Anora reignedsupreme and won the Critics'
Choice Award for Best Picture,which was a big shock because it
didn't win anything else Not tome, it was a big shock to me.
I think you were seeing thatcoming.
Joseph (00:51):
I mentioned that in our last episode that this was the
moment for Anora to turn thetide.
Jules (00:56):
Right and we're going to get into that right now.
It also surprised and won theDGA for Best Director and it won
the PGA for Best Picture of theYear.
I believe that we had predictedOnora to win the Producers
Guild Award.
I'm kind of happy about thatprediction.
However, for the DirectorsGuild Award, I'm pretty sure
(01:16):
that I predicted Brady Corbettwould win for the Brutalist.
How about you?
I think you were the, thereverse.
I think you said nora for bestdirector.
Joseph (01:24):
I was on I was the opposite.
I thought that sean baker wasbest positioned to win the dga
and that something like wicked,or possibly the brutalist
because of how much movie thereis there was probably the the
prime choice at the producersguild, but obviously in nora won
both right was not surprised tosee in nora at the critics
choice, even though if youwatched it live as the night
(01:48):
rolled on you started to get alittle bit worried that anora
was going to walk away justempty-handed, empty-handed, yeah
and uh.
Jules (01:55):
So I'm pretty happy that uh, we at least forecast or at
least I was uh forecasted a uhbest, uh best picture win at the
producers guild award for anora.
Um, and the thing about onorathat we're going to talk about
briefly is that, as we mentionedin our last episode, as you
mentioned very astutely, onorais in this perfect position
(02:15):
right now as a film that sort ofticks all the boxes and can
appeal to a broad enough basepost.
Uh, the emelia perez debacle.
You know, amelia perez kind ofhad this in the bag.
After the 13 nominations itjust seemed that that was, you
know, the favorite film, um, andthat was, uh the most
celebrated film, obviously.
(02:36):
But anora, after amelia perezwent away, and norah just seems
like the kind of film that mostpeople can get on board with.
Joseph (02:44):
It's funny enough, it's dramatic enough, it's
entertaining.
It's art house, it'sinternational.
Jules (02:49):
It's political, exactly.
Joseph (02:51):
It's.
You know pop culture at thesame time.
So I think you're right.
You know it.
Just it ticks so many of theright boxes.
Jules (02:57):
Right and enough people are going to see that movie and
even if there are some aspectsthat you're going to be turned
off by, depending on who youraudience is, there's going to be
something in that movie foreveryone.
Joseph (03:08):
Exactly.
Jules (03:08):
That most people will walk out feeling satisfied with.
I do think that has enoughpolitical resonance and
certainly charming enough,comedic enough, humorous enough,
broad enough, broad enough andalso profound enough.
You know, when we talk aboutthat ending, which is what
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you're going to leave peoplewith at the end of the film.
I think that's the ending ofthe year.
It's the most powerful endingof the year in my opinion and I
see its path, especially afterthese wins.
But even before that, you knowits path is very plausible to a
Best Picture win.
Joseph (03:48):
I think I had spoken to some degree about this after
Oscar nominations, because I didfeel that when you look at the
nominations as a whole, that theone film that sort of did its
job and then some, was somethinglike Anora.
When you think that Anora wasable to get Sean Baker in as a
(04:08):
writer, a director and an editorand it was also able to get
Yura in, it's really tough tothink of any category that Anora
was competitive in and did notget nominated for, I mean, it
didn't get nominated forcinematography and they were
never going to nominate thatfilm for cinematography, If they
did, you I mean it didn't getnine for cinematography and they
were never going to nominatethat film for cinematography If
they did you already know itshould be the clear favorite.
But among all the nominees, aComplete Unknown is missing.
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Editing Conclave is missing.
Directing the Emilia Perez shiphas sunk you know the.
Substance is missing.
I think editing as well, yeah,supporting actress.
Jules (04:44):
And so of all the films, the, the film with you know, the
most well-rounded game here istechnically a Nora right
repeating, I think, thenominations of Parasite right
and its success in nailing allthose nominations, I think
speaks to what we're talkingabout.
It's just a film that's goingto play well broadly for most
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members.
Either it's going to be at thetop of your list or it's going
to be somewhere in the middle.
Yeah, and in the manner inwhich they tally up the votes,
you know what's going to end up.
Matter is consensus.
Exactly, and so you're going tohave a pretty good consensus on
that film and so you know I'mnot shocked that it's emerged as
a favorite.
I know online on on filmTwitter, the punditry world is
(05:29):
shocked.
It's not that shocking againwhen you kind of lay out all the
cards and you just see how muchis in Onora's favor to sort of
go all the way to the BestPicture winner.
I will say that, at least forme, I'm pretty happy about this
development.
I think Onora is by and largeone of the best films on this
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list.
It would be more than a worthywinner for Best Picture.
So I'm pretty happy about that.
I'm pretty happy that we'vesort of steered the ship away
from a win for, I think, alesser film like Emilia Perez or
something like Wicked.
Like you, I was kind of I wassort of afraid that it was going
to be the Producers Guildwinner.
(06:12):
I still think that it stands agreat chance at winning the
ensemble prize at the ScreenActors Guild Award.
Joseph (06:17):
So we'll see what happens there.
I mean, I really don't know.
I mean I would have said thesame thing about the Producers
Guild Award.
If there's any place that'sgoing to reward a behemoth of a
money-making giant, I think itwould have been the Producers
Guild Award.
You know, I think it goes toprove our point here.
You know, I know you're anenthusiastic champion for Honora
.
I enjoyed the film quite a bit.
(06:38):
It's not my favorite, SeanBaker film.
But when I look at this list,despite you know the
shortcomings that I find in thefilm and despite it not being my
favorite on the list, it stillscores yeah three, four or five
for me right so I I think itspeaks to again how the movie is
enjoyable enough and successfulenough to speak to almost
(06:59):
everyone yeah, 100.
Jules (07:00):
And I'll just add as much as I love onora.
I also wouldn't say it's myfavorite sean baker film, but I
do.
But I do quite love Onora aswell.
Joseph (07:08):
But I do think that you did hit on.
Something that we have to talkabout before we start speaking
about the other topics oftoday's episode is I had
forecasted that it was too earlyfor the backlash to take
complete effect on Amelia Perez.
Jules (07:25):
Right.
Joseph (07:25):
And I was clearly wrong.
Amelia Perez has swiftly beenshown the door, and so I think
we're both in consensus now thatAmelia Perez, the backlash, the
campaign against the film,social media has the, the, the
war against the film has beeneffective.
Jules (07:44):
Yeah.
Joseph (07:45):
And I don't think that we or anyone else that's really
watching what's unfolding hereis really considering Emilia
Perez to be a significant playerfor the big prize anymore.
Jules (07:56):
Right, 100%, I agree with you.
I will posit that, even aswe're talking about how well
Anora is doing and how, um, howwell it's sort of positioned
that it uh check marks all theseboxes, I do wonder why a film
like Conclave couldn't musterthis sort of you know general,
(08:20):
broad, sort of uh, you knowquote, unquote like enough to
sort of position itself as a youknow runaway favorite.
Right Because in some ways Ifeel like it.
It does check enough boxes aswell.
The only thing I can sort ofpossibly attribute to why it's
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where it's at right now, whichis not as big a player as you
and I had anticipated going intothis award season, is that
maybe it's still too much in thevein of your typical
prototypical kind of Oscarfodder film.
And where we are right now inculture in film, culture in the
(09:03):
Zyggas, you know people wantsomething a little different.
Joseph (09:07):
I think that may be a factor, but I will say this is
that I do.
I had mentioned in our previousepisode that what we may be
seeing in the next few weeks istrying on a bunch of different
shoes to see which one appealsmost to the Academy.
I thought, as I said, that itwould be a Nora at the Critics'
Choice and at the DirectorsGuild.
(09:27):
It would be Wicked at theProducers Guild, maybe something
like A Complete Unknown at theSAG and Conclave at BAFTA.
I'm still of the opinion thatwe're still trying to find out
which movie is going to appealto the Academy best in terms of
having them be on that stage forBest Picture.
And as far as Conclave goes, Ido think that maybe it's a
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little surprising that it hasn'tstepped up in a big way or been
spotlighted in a big way yet.
It's made money, it'scritically acclaimed, it's sort
of the topic and sort of thefilmmaking that you know.
Traditionally these awardsbodies would recognize, maybe
not so much the critics' choicebut the DGA or the PGA and
certainly that idea that EdwardBerger and sort of some of that
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creative team or you know someof his creative vision, you know
you're not just rewardingConclave but you're rewarding
the immense success of hisprevious effort, right?
So it's not like this is thefirst time you're being exposed
to his kind of cinema and hiskind of filmmaking.
Now he has two you know,academy award nominated best
picture movies under his belt.
I mean, is it maybe a factorthat you know?
(10:32):
Now voters know that he's notreally up for best director, so
why give him the dga, possibly?
I mean, it didn't stop benaffleck, but maybe you know, ben
affleck was enough.
They don't need to do that allthe time.
So maybe that's a factor.
But if any moment is going tooccur for Conclave to turn the
tide, it's going to be thisweekend.
Jules (10:51):
And.
Joseph (10:51):
I think it's going to turn the tide massively and I
think what I had initiallythought as multiple films,
possibly making the argument towin, might devolve into an onora
conclave fight at the end yeah,or it might devolve into a
onora conclave wicked, if wickedwins the ensemble award, as I
(11:12):
think it will win.
Jules (11:13):
I'm still not 100 positive, but it could.
I see what you're saying abouta two, a two-way race, but it
could.
It could devolve into a orevolve into a three-way race,
depending on how the SAG goes.
Joseph (11:24):
It's possible.
I question how relevant the SAGis now.
I mean, the winners, I think,are so far along into the voting
process.
I don't think their winners arenecessarily going to overlap
with the Academy winners becauseI think by the time Oscar
voting closes they're not goingto see who the SAG winners were.
(11:44):
And, as you saw with thenomination for Jonathan Bailey,
where he failed to even getshortlisted at the British
Academy, and I believe he isBritish and certainly he didn't
really get any traction at theAcademy Awards.
I think that there's a with theway that SAG is composed now I
think there may be a certainbias, a certain skewing that
(12:06):
favors Wicked, that makes it aless reliable source for whether
Wicked is a contender or not.
But I agree with you If you wina guild, you're automatically
in the hunt.
Onora has two and it should getthe Writer's Guild Award right.
Whoever wins the SAG ensemble,which right now my gut says is
going to be an aura, I think anaura when the ensemble award.
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But if it is a complete unknown, if it is wicked, I think they
immediately plant a flag.
For you know an alternativepossibility between conclave and
an aura.
Jules (12:39):
And listen if, if an aura wins best picture at baTA, I
think this is oh yeah, it'spretty much done, that's done
but I will say I disagree withyou a little bit in how, uh you
describe the Screen Actors Guild.
I think, as of late, they'vebeen almost the best precursor
to sort of determine, um, howthe academy is feeling about
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these movies.
You know, I just go back to youknow, uh, the sag being one of
the first indicators thateverything, every world at once,
was going to win three out ofthe four.
You know, um, uh, acting awards, um, and so I I get your point
and I and I agree with you, butI also think, to a certain
(13:21):
extent, but I also think, thatthey actually have established
themselves as being, you know,really kind of telling as to how
the Academy is going to end upvoting for these winners.
Joseph (13:35):
That's just been my observation as of late, it's
true, I mean, I think that'strue, but just keep in mind, how
many times has that occurredwithout the PGA backing it up?
You know, the pga backed upthat everything, everywhere, all
at once win that's true so myquestion is why would the pga
ever not give the award towicked right?
What possible logic is therefor that?
Jules (13:59):
well, other than I'm sorry, no, no, I just think.
No, I agree with you.
Agree with you, it's a verytelling move, but I think that
that's what's happening withWicked, that I just don't think
it's being considered.
You know, quote unquote seriousenough to win the award for
best film, that there are othercontenders on this list that I
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think pack a bigger punch, havemore to say, reach broader with
regard to how they communicatetheir ideas and their themes.
I think you know Wicked ismissing some of that and that's
why it can be a nominee for 10Oscar nominations and still not
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win something as the PGA.
Joseph (14:45):
Yeah, I agree with you and I think you know there's an
old adage that you and I talkabout which is the best picture
winner is really just anadvertisement for what the
industry wants to see more of interms of a film and whether
it's Parasite or Oppenheimer.
You know, I think this is theindustry.
The Producers Guild win to meis the industry, is the excuse
(15:09):
me.
To me is the industry sort ofsaying we want to see more films
produced like Onora right, thatcan go to Cannes.
It can still open up in Octoberat the box office and make some
money and appeal to a25-year-old and year old and a
50 year old and a 30 year oldright and can be sort of fun and
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and hip and sexy and edgy andedgy and, at the same time, have
something to say politically,socially um, and be also, you
know, dramatically, as you weresaying profound, yeah, yeah and
I also think you know, I thinkone of the great signs about
something like onora becomingthe front runner now is that
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idea that the only reason whysean baker is here knocking at
the door right we spoke about itis because sean baker had the
door slammed on his face in 2017for the flor project, you know,
and Christopher Nolan wins forOppenheimer, but that doesn't
happen in a vacuum.
That happens after you know,movie after movie after movie
and a snub and a snub and asurprise nomination and things
(16:15):
like that.
So it just goes to this ideathat right now, maybe industry
might be a little bit morewelcoming of the idea that let's
reward these filmmakers whohave sort of the idea that let's
reward these filmmakers whohave sort of you know, put in
these years, paid their dues,put in these years in their
industry and are sort of tryingto, you know, blaze a trail for
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certain types of cinema, certaintypes of filmmaking.
And, you know, they've proventhemselves both on the artistic
front, on the financial front,on the economic front, the
financial front on the economicfront, the festival front, um,
they've proven themselvesdomestically, globally,
internationally.
So I think that I think that'sa very encouraging sign about
anora, which is maybe an easierthing to sort of, I think,
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champion from from myself thanthan wicked winning, because you
know it, it's more of anindustry pattern that feels like
a fad right it's a fad, it'llcome and it'll go.
And Jon M Chu?
Unfortunately he just doesn'thave the filmography that
someone like Sean.
Baker has at this point in hiscareer.
Jules (17:16):
I completely, completely agree.
I will say on that note, therewere a few other surprise wins
that I wasn't expecting in theCritics' Choice, and again we
went over our last episode.
We're very kind.
There were a few other surprisewins that I wasn't expecting in
the critics choice and again wewent over our last episode.
We're very kind of hot and coldwith the critics choice.
Check that out if you haven't,but I didn't see.
I don't think anybody saw.
Yeah, john m chu winning bestdirector.
(17:38):
That's one of those wins.
That's really puzzling.
Joseph (17:41):
You know, um, you would think you know how does the
critics choice come up to thechoice of a nora for best
picture the most criticallyacclaimed year and john mchugh
for best director?
It's an extraordinarily oddchoice yeah we can only, I think
, attribute that to votesplitting, or I expressed to you
an idea, maybe could it be apassion vote for wicked as in.
Jules (18:04):
Like you know, the votes that wicked was amassing, you
know, were so passion-based thatit was able to crack that
category when you have suchdenominated, like nine directors
, you know, and when each one istaking a little bit away from
each other a passion vote likejohn and chu can make it to the
top it could.
Joseph (18:21):
It could be that that there was vote splitting amongst
the other artistic choices andthat if you were high on wicked,
you were high on it all the wayand you were always going to
put john m2 at number one.
I think it could also be, youknow, cynically speaking, the
critics choice sort of hedgingtheir bets, which they're known
to do with their bradley cooperwins best actor in a thriller,
(18:43):
or adventure movie or a comedymovie, or I was.
I was thinking about americansniper when he won best actor
for an action movie yeah,against whatever sort of real
action movies, for a dramaticwar piece like american sniper,
only because he got an iron forthat oscar and they forgot to
nominate him for best actor atthe critics choice.
(19:03):
Um, so it might be a way ofthem hedging their bets in in
terms of like okay, we thinkonora stands a really good
chance of winning, but if it'snot onora, I think it could be
wicked so let's give it the bestdirector.
And the other thing I thoughtwas you know, best director this
year is just such a shit show.
It's such a shit show in termsof a failure to really have this
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front runner, because evensomeone like sean baker, for all
the years he's had, he's neverreally been embraced by the
academy right and so this is hisfirst nomination and the number
of directors who went on theirfirst nomination are not, you
know, very many, and certainlynot for the kind of cinema that
sean baker sort of pushes 100,and so it's sort of a year
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without a run runner, and it'sreally anyone's ball game there,
right?
And so the only thing I can comeup with, too, is that the
Critics' Choice sort of saidlisten, anyone could win.
So instead of giving it to whowe think is going to win, let's
just give it to Jon M Chu forWicked, who we know is not going
to win because he's notnominated.
Jules (20:07):
I mean, I don't know, possibly, but it's certainly a
win that taps into that ideathat we were mentioning in our
last episode of you know someskepticism we have about you
know how the Critics' Choicemembers choose their winners,
how transparent they are withhow they choose their winners.
Right, you know, if there's anysort of okay, let's go back and
let's give it to this movie orperformer or filmmaker instead,
(20:30):
for whatever reason, becausethey've gained traction in the
Oscar race or they haven't.
Whatever, it's certainly apuzzling win, Kind of fishy.
Joseph (20:38):
It's a little fishy.
Jules (20:39):
They're known to give wins in a fishy manner.
Joseph (20:42):
Yeah.
Jules (20:42):
That's one of them.
Another win I was reallysurprised by and I think people
have to watch out.
We have to talk about it.
Well, I was going to talk aboutoriginal screenplay that's who I
was going to talk about right,and I think that people
seriously have to watch out forthe substance to uh win possibly
, screenplay over sean baker now, I know that sounds nuts,
(21:04):
because we're talking about howanora is the favorite and how
plausible it is to win BestPicture, and you would think
original screenplay isabsolutely an award that was the
frontrunner in, so if it's nowthe bona fide frontrunner for
the big prize, then why wouldyou take away an award like
screenplay?
Well, the fact that Sean Baker'snominated four times and could
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win Director and Picture, youknow, might make it less
enticing for them to feel likethey have to give a Nora
screenplay as well.
And what I really think isinteresting is that number one,
that Coralie Fargeau, uh, whodirected the film, uh, was able
to win the Critics' Choice forBest Screenplay.
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She is a female director and afemale writer and if the Academy
wants to highlight, as they'vebeen trying to do for the past
several years, a femalefilmmaker in some sort of light,
coralie Fargeat is it and herbest chance at screenplay.
(22:08):
It could be Now I will say it'scertainly sort of ironic in my
opinion, because I tend to thinkthat the screenplay is actually
one of the weakest parts, in myopinion, of the substance.
The substance winningscreenplay and Khan was sort of
a head scratcher for some people, for many people you have to
take that award for Greta Gerwig.
Joseph (22:26):
You have to take that award for Greta Gerwig when it
won that award.
Jules (22:29):
It was sort of a head scratcher because you wouldn't
think that an award that thesubstance would win out of all
the awards that could have wonat con would be screenplay, and
lo and behold, here it isnominated for screenplay at the
academy awards, where now Ithink as a dark horse to really
win this award.
Keep in mind, I think there aregoing to be voters who are
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going to be vehementlyinterested in trying to give a
spotlight to a female filmmaker,and this would be the way that
they can do that.
Joseph (22:59):
I think that everything you've said is spot on.
I think I'll speak on thisfurther as we go further into
the episode, but I thinkeverything that you're saying is
going to be a factor, and I'llalso go ahead and say again the
same way that they're trying tohedge their bets with Wicked and
that JonMQ win, it could bethem hedging their bets that if
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there's a dark horse here, maybeit is the substance.
Jules (23:25):
For what?
For picture?
Joseph (23:26):
For picture I don't know about that all I'm saying is,
if you get a screenplay win andyou can get an acting win,
you're pretty close to that sortof comfortable three area of
the three wins that you tend toget you know, I'm thinking of
something like uh nomadland,right picture director and an
actress right CODA picturescreenplay and a supporting
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actor.
So I don't know it is a filmabout the industry.
Jules (23:53):
So I don't know.
I think that's where we kind ofI draw the line.
I don't think that's going tohappen.
I hear where the logic iscoming from.
It sounds like sound logic.
But I think there's so muchfirsts with this nomination, for
these nominations for this film, for the Substance, that
considering it being the winnerof several Academy Awards, feels
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like a little bit of a stretchwhen it's already kind of won
the big award which is beingable to crack that sort of
gatekeeping, that barrier, andbe a body horror film nominated
for five Academy awards bestpicture.
So I don't see it going beyondthat, that is the award, so
nowhere near best picture win,but I will say that, similar to
(24:39):
what you're saying, it doesworry me.
It does worry me that if thesubstance were to win for Demi
Moore, who's the favorite, andwe've been calling that for a
while and it were to win forDemi Moore, who's the favorite,
and we've been calling that fora while and it were to win Best
Makeup, which it seems like anobvious pick, and it were to win
Screenplay, that's alreadythree Oscars.
That's what I'm saying Right,right.
(24:59):
But I'm saying that three to mesounds like a lot.
Joseph (25:03):
Yes.
Jules (25:03):
So even at that it makes me feel like it should lose one
of those, because three for thatfilm, that kind of film seems,
you know, just doesn't seemrealistic to me.
Joseph (25:18):
I mean, if Nora's winning the DGA and the PGA, it
would seem like a no brainerthat it's going to pick up
screenplay.
And you and I have talked abouthow Demi Moore as much of a
frontrunner as she is, she'salways going to have a difficult
time against some of hercompetition, one person in
particular.
But I think again, you're rightthat the sort of crashing of
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the gates is the award for thesubstance, but someone who's not
crashing the gate, who has beenthere a long time and I'm not
sure they've actually won yetBevan and Fellner Do not
underestimate the power of Bevanand Fellner, of people
passionately putting in a moviethat's not supposed to be there
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because it's a genre piece, amovie that's an international
title, a movie that appeals toAmericans and US audiences, a
movie that is made for $7million and makes 75 off that
globally, I think and at thesame time finally giving an
award to Bevan and Fellner.
So I know it sounds crazy, butif it is that screenplay movie,
(26:25):
then it's not a huge leap to saymakeup, screenplay, actress
picture there's four.
Jules (26:31):
Right.
Well, I don't know.
Like I said, I feel differently, but I hear where you're coming
from.
Joseph (26:37):
Can I just also say, just to play devil's advocate
here, how many times has theCritics' Choice winner actually
aligned with the Oscar winnerfor Best Picture?
Isn't there a sort of like acurse here, like the Golden
Globes, the curse of theCritics' Choice winner,
especially when they sort ofsplit and the Best Picture
winner is not the Best Directorwinner?
Jules (26:58):
We'd have to look into that.
I know that for a while theywere missing a lot, but as of
late, the Best Picturefrontrunner has been so obvious
that they haven't missed it.
So, oppenheimer, everythingeverywhere all at once, think
that well, we know that codadidn't.
Yeah, coda didn't win uh, whichwas surprising when it happened
, but it won the pga and it wonthe ensemble award for uh the
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sack, so that quickly became anobvious pick as well.
Um, and so I think they've beendoing pretty, pretty okay.
Well, who won in 2020?
Joseph (27:30):
it wasn't nomadland, wasn't I think it was nomadland
was it nomadland yeah, I thinkit was okay, um, in 2019.
I think it was hollywood onceupon a time, definitely
definitely once upon a time,hollywood 2019.
Jules (27:43):
But anyway, I feel like last few years they've been
pretty accurate, but this year'sa little different, as you were
saying, you know it's.
Joseph (27:50):
It seems a little bit more chaotic to play devil's
advocate again one more time.
I believe that time that onceupon a time in Hollywood won the
critics choice for best pictureand then lost the Oscar, it did
not win best director forTarantino.
I think best director mighthave been a tie between bung
john hall and sam mendes was ita tie?
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I think it was.
I think it was.
I'd have to research there, sodon't hold me to it, but I'm
pretty sure it was not quentinright, right, um, so we'll see
what that, we'll see where thatgoes.
I just thought that that winwas extremely interesting and
again I will say anotherimportant thing besides amelia,
you know, being shown the doorand those other titles that
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surprised there, and Onorawinning the big one a complete
unknown goose egg that night,you know could be foreshadowing,
could not be great news.
Jules (28:42):
Right.
Well, we'll see what happensthere, but, as we mentioned at
the beginning of this episode,the BAFTA awards are this
weekend, so we're going to recapthe predictions, our
predictions for who's going towin.
Joseph (28:55):
This is a big award because there's a lot of
crossover here between theBritish Academy and the Academy.
Jules (29:00):
Right so well, at least very, very recently, because
their acting awards just acouple years ago were picked by
juries.
Joseph (29:11):
Right.
Jules (29:11):
They're acting nominations and so we had a
couple years we had at least oneyear in 2021 where nobody in
the best actress field was evennominated Right.
So they had lack of successwhen they were doing those
juries.
In that sense, even though thatwas a really cool thing they
were doing that, they sort ofdisbanded this year because they
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want to be more competitive andthey want to be more accurate,
I guess, for how the oscar isgoing to play out.
But typically, if you win atthe bafta, you're in pretty good
shape yeah to really possibly,uh, take it at the oscars as
well yeahso let's start with uh, from top
to bottom.
I guess best picture thebrutalist um conclave, anora,
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immediate Paris and a completeunknown Um.
I'm going to go ahead and saythat conclave is the most
nominated film I believe with.
Well, with 12 nominations, Ithink conclave is going to win
Best Picture here.
Edward Berger's last film, allQuiet on the Western Front, I
think, had 14 BAFTA nominations.
It won Best Picture.
It was definitely really closeto possibly beating everything
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ever all at once.
If there was one movie that wasgoing to do it, it was going to
be All Quiet on the Western.
Joseph (30:20):
Front.
Jules (30:21):
It showed its dominance at the BAFTAs that night.
So, yes, I'm a bit skepticalthat another Edward Berger film
is going to win Best Picture,but I think Conclave this is
where it's going to make asplash at the BAFTA.
I believe Aquila on the WesternFront won seven BAFTAs off of
about 14 nominations.
As we said, about half.
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I expect a similar thing here12 nominations, five to six wins
for Conclave is what I'mthinking.
What about you?
Joseph (30:50):
I think that A Complete Unknown is out.
I think the Brutalist andEmilio Perez have the
international band and if BAFTAvoters have been paying
attention, onora should be thedark horse here.
And I think I want to mentionthat is that BAFTA voters.
I think voting ended onFebruary 11.
So they were privy toeverything going on with Amelia
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Perez.
That's why I think they'regoing to dump it, just like the
DGA and the PGA did.
But they did also see Enorahave an excellent Sunday and an
excellent Saturday and anexcellent Friday, and that may
be the tipping point.
But I agree with you.
I think the winner here isgoing to be Tessa Ross, point.
But I agree with you.
I think the winner here isgoing to be Tessa Ross.
Tessa Ross, producer ofConclave, big figure in British
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cinema and certainly Britishindependent cinema.
So I think the only Achillesheel for Conclave is can we
really give it to two EdwardBerger films back to back two
years apart At the same time?
There's just such great Britishtalent on here and there's
great international talent onhere and again, tessa Ross has
never really, you know, gottenup on that stage and I think
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this is the year for her to getup there.
Jules (31:56):
Okay, I agree 100%.
My spoiler would be actually.
Joseph (32:01):
Onora, me too, and, as I said, I think this may be when
we start to solidify the racebetween these two films, right.
Jules (32:08):
For Best Director.
Edward Berger is nominatedagain.
He won this category in 2022,2022, 2023.
For All Quiet on the WesternFront, brady Corbett for the
Boudalas, sean Baker for anora,coralie farge for the substance,
denis villeneuve for doom parttwo and jacques odiard for
emilia paris.
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Um, I'm gonna say that seanbaker wins this award for anora.
Joseph (32:35):
I mean, I I think what we're coming from is that edward
berger winning two bestdirector awards again back to
back just seems so far-fetched.
Sean baker is the better choice, jacques out of yard, but
emilia perez has been dumped.
I'm gonna go ahead and play theunder here and I'm gonna say
that the winner of this categoryis going to be coralie forja,
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and that again, bevin felner,probably a film that with a
little bit more time would havecrashed that Best Picture.
Five Voters now know that sheis now in for an Oscar, that's.
The other thing is that aftervoters know who was nominated or
not.
So an Edward Berger win is athrowaway.
A Denevo New win is a throwaway.
The backlash that's occurred toAmelia Perez might make it a
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throwaway.
So it's really Corbett, farzadand and sean baker and I
understand that anora iscertainly the front runner but
in terms of work, in terms ofsomething that really appeals to
them, because again it's bevinand felner um, and it's an
opportunity to highlight, youknow, a female filmmaker.
I don't know if they've everhad a female filmmaker cross
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this threshold, have they?
I'm not sure, because I I'm notsure if, uh, chloe's always
that one.
I'd have to check that but I'mpretty sure jane campion won.
Jules (33:48):
Jane campion did win, yes thank you um, but I'm gonna go
with corley fargeant anyway,okay my spoiler is going to be
um brady corbett for thebrutalist all right, I'll go
Corley for Aja and Sean Baker asa spoiler.
For Best Actress, we haveMary-Anne Jean-Baptiste for
Heart Truths so sad that's notactually a reality for the
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Oscars.
Cynthia Erivo for Wicked,saoirse Ronan for the Hour Run
At least she got something.
That was a beautifulperformance by Saoirse that got
completely blank this season.
Klaus-sophia Gascon, emiliaPerez, demi Moore, the Substance
, mikey Madison and Nora andthis is, I think, the favorite
is Demi Moore, certainly For theSubstance.
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I'm going to go with Demi Moorewinning.
I think that's close to ano-brainer, close to, and I'm
going to say that Mikey Madisonis the spoiler, but I think
there's a big gap between thespoiler and the predicted winner
.
I think it's Demi Moore all theway.
Joseph (34:48):
I agree.
I think this is Demi Moore's tolose, so Demi Moore for the win
.
It's hard, because all theseother actresses, although they
gave great performances, are sofar behind in terms of where the
campaign stands right now.
The only actress I can possiblysee upsetting demi more and
again, it's so far away iscynthia revo, for wicked right,
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that was my third.
Jules (35:09):
That was my third choice, yeah.
So um, for best actor, I'mgonna go with oh, so we have
adrian brody for the brutalisttimothy chalamet, a complete,
complete Unknown.
Coleman Domingo Sing Sing,sebastian Stan, the Apprentice,
hugh Grant Heretic and RalphFiennes Conclave.
At the beginning, very early onin the year, this seemed like
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it was going to be RalphFiennes' year to sort of just
sweep all these awards andfinally get the Academy Award
nomination that he's been deniedfor so many years.
He's one of our greatest actors.
I think this is his fourthnomination, or his third Oscar
nomination.
I think it's his third, Third,zero wins.
However, Adrian Brody in theBuddha List is terrific.
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It's the performance of hislife.
I think Adrian Brody isdefinitely winning this.
He did not win.
Interestingly enough, as wementioned in a previous episode,
he did not win for the Pianist.
He actually did not win.
Interestingly enough, as wementioned in a previous episode,
he did not win for the pianist.
He actually did not win theGolden Globe either, I believe,
for the pianist or the ScreenActors Guild.
Yeah, so in a way, all thoseawards bodies are going to feel
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comfortable giving him the awardfor their organization, because
he actually has never won inthose places Exactly.
But even at that, when it comesto the Oscars, he has such an
amazing performance.
I think he absolutely is goingto win the Oscar, but leaving
that for another day, I thinkhe's going to win here as well
Adrian Brody for the Brutalistand my spoilers definitely Ralph
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Fiennes for Conclave.
Joseph (36:39):
Well, listen, I think this is the do or die moment for
the Ray Fiennes campaign.
If they kiss enough babies, Ithink that he should be able to
win this.
I think Adrian Brody has to bethe favorite and I'm going to go
with you.
I think Adrian Brody wins, butthis is it.
This is where the Ray Fiennescampaign they have to win this
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or the war is over.
They have to win this or thewar is over.
They have to win this battle.
Jules (37:03):
I agree 100% For supporting actress we have
Isabella Rossellini, conclave.
Ariana Grande for Wicked, zoeZaldana, emilia Perez, felicity
Jones, the Brutalist.
Jamie Lee Curtis, the LastShowgirl.
And Selena Gomez Emilia Perez.
And the favorite is definitelyZoe Aldana, for Amelia Perez.
I think she is going to winthis category.
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Amelia Perez is sinking by theday.
However, it's going to winsomething it's not going to walk
down.
Joseph (37:31):
Can it hold on to?
I don't know it's a long timeto the Oscars.
Jules (37:33):
I don't see it winning nothing.
This is going to be the perfectplace to award Amelia Perez at
the Oscars.
Win the song.
Joseph (37:40):
that and song is what I'm saying, I'm saying it's
never going to win nothingbecause there's always best song
.
Jules (37:44):
Still I don't think it's going to I don't think it's
going to just win one.
In other words, um, I think zoezaldana is definitely going to
win this category in the baftas.
She's my pick.
My runner-up is actually goingto be someone like isabella
rosalini.
Who who has this European bendto her.
I don't think she's been on itfor any BAFTAs.
I think this is her first BAFTAnomination yeah, I think so.
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And so sort of a career, sort ofachievement win is my spoiler
for Isabella Rossellini, butagain, like Best Actress, big
space between my predictedwinner and my spoiler.
Joseph (38:19):
Zoe Zaldana has been able to survive the onslaught
against amelia perez.
I fear that the race is still alittle too far away from the
actual, you know, end date, thatshe may not be able to survive
all the way to the oscars.
But you know, baptist will go along way to solidifying the
idea that we're going to punishamelia perez, the movie, but
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we're not going to punish zoe'saldana I.
We're not going to punish ZoeZaldana.
I think you're right.
Zoe Zaldana is the front runnerhere and the spoiler.
I disagree.
I think it's actually FelicityJones and I do think a world
exists where the best actorwinner is Ray Fiennes and as a
compensation for that AdrianBrody loss, you're going to have
Felicity Jones, who again hasbeen working in the British film
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industry for a while and has anomination there.
So I do think Felicity Jones isby the minute getting closer to
stealing this away from ZoeSaldana.
Jules (39:13):
That's very interesting, okay, but right now we're both
predicting Zoe Saldana.
Joseph (39:16):
Yep All right.
Jules (39:18):
Supporting actor.
This is where I think it'sreally interesting because,
again, we'll see how we feel inthe next few weeks, but I tend
to think that those three actingcategories actor, actress and
supporting actress feel verylikely the people that the
favorites.
I think they're very likely notsaying that they're slam dunks,
but they seem very likely.
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The one acting category that Ithink has the most potential to
surprise is the best supportingactor category, because the
favorite is Kieran Culkin forReal Pain, which did a muster
best picture nomination with 10spots.
It's not very often that we seea winner for an acting category
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not come from a film thatwasn't nominated for best
picture with 10 spots, so Ithink that's really handicapping
Kieran Culkin.
All that to say is I'm reallyunsure that Kieran's going to
win the Oscar, but in order forthat to become a reality the
reality being that he doesn'twin someone else has to step up
to the plate, and one of theseleft uh, one of these uh award
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shows, that is uh left, and thebest person to do that is edward
norton for complete unknown.
It's his fourth oscarnomination.
He's playing a real life figurein a complete unknown.
It's a very good performance,um, and he's an actor that I
think a lot of actors um value,and it's an easy place to award
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a movie like A Complete Unknownwhich, as we saw in the Critic's
Choice, went completely zeroGoose egg.
If you want to give A CompleteUnknown something, this would be
the place to do it, or at leastone of the few places that is
most likely to happen, mostpossible to happen, rather.
So I'm going to say thatbecause I think that's where
things are heading, that edwardnorton is going to end up
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winning the oscar.
I think he needs to uh have awin either here at the sag and I
like him having a win more herethan having one at the sag um,
because uh, I think kierancolkin um is aier name, you know
, after Succession with thatawards body, the SAG awards body
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, and actually he's never won aSAG for Succession, an
individual SAG.
I think that'll help.
And I think, for the BAFTAs, areal pain is just this small
indie.
Yes, it has funding, um fromforeign entities, um, but it's
sort of an american independentfilm, a small indie film, and
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you know those don't tend to dogreat here at the baftas, and so
why not give the award to abest a film that they liked
enough to not have a bestpicture, um, an american film,
uh, like a complete unknown?
This would be the spot.
So I'm gonna say edward norton,a complete unknown, is the
winner for supporting actor andmy uh spoilers.
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Definitely kira colkin for areal pain.
Joseph (42:13):
I think a lot of that is is pretty compelling.
I think you're just a littlebit early.
I think that that is somethingthat will likely materialize at
the SAG.
I still like Kieran Culkin herebecause it is a production that
has a lot of internationalsupport, support from Poland.
I think it is a small, tinyindependent film, but it also
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has this resonance, I think,with the UK because of sort of
the subtext about World War IIand the Holocaust in the film,
and so I think Kieran Culkinstill wins this.
And then the dark horse, thespoiler here is Edward Norton.
Jules (42:49):
All right, Original screenplay.
We talked about this.
I believe the winner here willbe Onora, but the spoiler is
definitely the Substance.
Joseph (43:00):
I think you're right.
I agree, onora, for the win,and then the spoiler, the
substance.
If the substance does win this,I think you're.
Yeah, you're right.
We're firmly in the territorywhere corley farzad is gonna
upset sean baker for this price,100 I agree.
Jules (43:14):
Adapted screenplay I think this one's a little easy
too.
I think it's definitelyconclave and then after that, as
a spoiler, it gets a littledifficult because everyone has
sort of cons in terms of whatthe BAFTA typically likes.
I'm going to say Amelia Perezis still the spoiler, but again,
big gap between Conclave andAmelia Perez.
Conclave is my choice.
Joseph (43:33):
I agree.
I think it's Conclave.
It's really maybe pointless tocome up with a second title as a
spoiler, but if pressed, Iguess I'd have to pick a
complete unknown.
Jules (43:42):
All right Cinematography.
I'm going to say that it's theBoudalas.
Lowell Crowley is British.
I believe this is his firstnomination at the BAFTAs.
Joseph (43:53):
Yeah, it is.
Jules (43:54):
I think that the Boudalas is going to go far and win the
Oscar as well for BestCinematography, but sticking
with the BAFTAs, I believe thatthe Budalists will win this
category and my runner-up isNosferatu.
But again, very far, I feel thesame.
Joseph (44:12):
I feel the same.
Jules (44:13):
Okay, costume design.
I'm going to go Wicked as thewinner and my spoiler is going
to be I guess Nosferatu yeah, Ithink I have to agree as well.
Joseph (44:28):
This should be an easy one for wicked, and nosferatu is
a is a good second best filmediting.
Jules (44:35):
Um, we're gonna go with.
Um.
This one's actually a quite aninteresting category because I
think either Conclave or Noracould win here again.
You see a pattern emerging hereeither of them could win, but
I'm going to say that Conclavewins best film editing and the
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spoiler is Nora.
Joseph (44:58):
I agree.
I think it helps that theeditor for Conclave, I believe,
is from the uk and has worked ona lot of uh, uk titles, um, and
that, you know, a win for seanbaker here on top of screenplay,
possibly even director andpicture, I think is just
overkill.
So I think this is conclave andan aura for the spoiler okay,
best makeup and hair.
Jules (45:19):
Um, I think that's an obvious choice for the substance
, as the winner and the spoileris going to be Nosferatu for me.
Joseph (45:26):
I agree, I agree.
I mean I hope that theSubstance doesn't creep out
voters too much but I think thisis the Substance to lose.
Jules (45:33):
Right, I agree.
Production design.
I think this is an easy awardfor Wicked to win.
If it doesn't win, my spoileris the Brutalist.
Joseph (45:43):
Both good choices.
I do think Wicked will win herefor Nathan Crowley Again
another talent, I think fromLondon.
I do wonder if this isn't agreat moment to give it to Susie
Davis for Conclave.
She worked on Saltburn.
She was nominated for MrTurnerer.
The buddha is also a greatchoice, but it's actually a more
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competitive category than Ithought between conclave,
nasferatu dune, the buddha listum, I'll go wicked and the
spoiler conclave, suzy davis.
Jules (46:16):
okay, perfect um score, I'm gonna go.
Well, this, this, actually thiscategory is really not easy.
I certainly think it's betweenthree movies the Boudalas,
conclave or Amelia Perez.
Had Amelia Perez not nosedived,I would have said Amelia Perez
was the favorite here.
For score, conclave seems likean obvious choice, but he did
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win for Aquila and the WesternFront rather recently the
Boudalas has a very attentioncalling score, but it's also.
Conclave seems like an obviouschoice, but he did win for
Alcuin Western Front ratherrecently.
The Brutalist has a veryattention-calling score, but
it's also enigmatic in a way, ina way that I don't think it's
going to appeal broadly orbroadly enough.
So you know it's tough, youknow I'm going to say, I'm going
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to say Conclave is the winnerand the spoiler is the Brutalist
.
But again, watch out for any ofthose three to win here.
Joseph (47:10):
Because he won so recently.
I'm not so thrilled of Conclavewinning here.
I think Daniel Blumberg is fromthe UK maybe from London again,
so I think that might be anedge here, but I'm going to go
ahead and say that this is aprize that Emilia Perez can
still win, and so the win toEmilia Perez and the runner up
for the Brutalist.
Jules (47:29):
Very interesting.
Best sound design.
I'm going to go ahead and sayit's between Dune Part 2, wicked
and the Substance, and I'mgoing to give the edge to dune
part two.
And the spoiler is wicked, Iagree.
I agree with those best visualeffects.
I think that better man shoulddo well here.
(47:51):
Um, I think it might besurprising.
I think most people are goingto predict dune part two, but
I'm going to go with better manas being the winner for visual
effects and and my spoiler isDoom Part 2.
Joseph (48:02):
That would be massively interesting and I agree with you
, I like that.
I think Better man here, theRobbie Williams of it all.
Jules (48:10):
I think Better.
Joseph (48:11):
Man for visual effects and Doom is a spoiler.
Jules (48:18):
But I think Better man is going to win here For casting.
I really like Conc here forcasting.
Um, I really like conclave umfor casting.
I think that that's a verydiverse cast in and of itself
and again, very well-knownactors, um, of all kinds of
caliber, right, uh.
So I think that that is goingto go in its favor.
So I'm going to give theprediction to conclave, and the
spoiler is anora.
(48:39):
I certainly think it's betweenthe two of them.
Well, listen.
Joseph (48:43):
I think that again, here we go again.
Conclave and Onora.
I think those are two excellentchoices.
Kneecap has to win something.
Kneecap absolutely has to winsomething.
I'm not going to say Kneecaphere yet for casting as the
winner or the runner-up, but itcould get very close.
I'm going to go as the winneror the runner-up, but it could
get very close.
I'm going to go with the winnerbeing Conclave you're right and
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the spoiler being Onora.
Jules (49:07):
Right, and in any feature I'm going to go with Flo as my
prediction and the wild robot asmy spoiler.
Joseph (49:14):
I agree with that.
I think the internationalappeal of Flo should be able to
get it over the hump here.
Jules (49:25):
Then for children's and family film, a little bit of a
weird category for me, um, youknow, just in general, I'm
thinking this is a weirdcategory to have in your
broadcast, um, but I'm going togo with the wild robot being
able to get this, this award,and miss the animated feature
award.
That's my prediction.
Joseph (49:41):
And the spoilers wallace and gromit vengeance most foul,
the I think this is the haveyour cake and eat it too award.
Um.
But I think that if flow iswinning animated feature, it
would make sense to see the wildrobot here.
But I'm actually gonna go theopposite.
I think this is where they'regonna award vengeance most foul.
You know they love wallaceandom.
It was a fantastic film.
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I think it'll be close, butI'll go Vengeance Most Foul for
the win and the Wild Robot forthe runner-up.
Jules (50:08):
Okay for Best Documentary it should be a film that's
nominated for the Academy.
So that narrows it down to twoNorthern Land and Black Box
Diaries.
I think typically if you winthis, if you win the BAFTA for
Best Documentary, you tend tothat tends to carry over to the
Academy.
It's a great bridge Right, so Ithink that no Other Land is
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going to win here for BestDocumentary and the spoiler is
Black Bucks Diaries, I agree ForBest Foreign Film, now this
one's kind of interesting Yep.
I do feel that some of thecontroversy as to the approach
that Emilia Perez took to makethat film is going to resonate
more for members of the Academythan it is for members of the
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BAFTA, and so I think.
Emilia Perez will win this awardfor Best Foreign Film and I
think that the spoiler I'm goingto say that the spoiler is I'm
still here.
Joseph (51:02):
Well, listen, I think you may be right about Emilia
Perez being able to hold on here, possibly.
We know Jacques Gaudiard hasbeen nominated here before Right
, so I'll go with Emilia Perezas well.
But my spoiler is going to bekneecap.
Kneecap has to win somethingright.
Kneecap absolutely has to winsomething Right cap.
Jules (51:21):
Kneecap has to win something right.
Kneecap absolutely has to winsomething right.
Okay, for best um british film,as you were saying.
I predict that.
My prediction is that kneecapwill win best british film.
Joseph (51:29):
Well, it's gotta win something yeah it's gotta win
something.
Jules (51:31):
I think this is a perfect place to award it.
It's big enough.
Uh makes more, it makes sense,and my spoiler is conclave right
.
Joseph (51:39):
Um, yeah, I agree with that.
I think, again, kneecap has towin something, right, right.
So kneecap for British filmmakes a lot of sense, unless
they give it foreign film.
You know, I think Conclave isthe runner up here, but I will
say you know, if you want tohave your cake and eat it too,
the British Academy could decideto go on nora for best picture
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and conclave for british filmyeah right, I mean that's one
award that all, quite thewestern front, did not win right
, it was british film right so Imean, maybe they want to give
tessa ross the lesser of the twoprizes.
You know, I hope not, but um, itcould end up happening that,
you know, you get Conclave forBritish film, nora for best film
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and Kneecap for foreign film.
Jules (52:26):
Certainly something that could happen.
Interesting so, but you'repredicting Kneecap and your
spoiler is Conclave.
Yeah, I'm going to go withKneecap and my spoiler being
Conclave.
Okay, so we agree there.
And then the last category thatwe're predicting is Rising Star
.
Joseph (52:37):
I think this one's a no-brainer, I think voted on by
the people, by the public aswell.
Jules (52:40):
Right, I think this one's a no-brainer, I think, voted on
by the people, by the public aswell, right, um, I think this
was a no-brainer.
I think Mikey Madison willdefinitely win this, and then my
spoiler is actually going to beuh, david Johnson, wonderful
job this year, yeah terrific.
Joseph (52:53):
Uh well, listen, I think again voted by the public, and
you know, when the public votesin mass, sometimes a lot of bad
things happen.
So I'm actually thinking againthis is no knock on the artist.
I think all artists arewonderful.
I think the winner actually hereis going to be Marissa Abella,
who at this point in her careerhas probably been seen a little
bit more widely than fromBritish audiences from British
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audiences than Mikey Madison,and so I think the winner here
is Marissa than Mikey Madison,and so I think the winner here
is Marissa, and possibly I cansay that the spoiler here might
be Mikey sure.
Jules (53:28):
Okay.
Well, that's a rundown of theBAFTA predictions.
We're going to have it upofficially in our Twitter at
AcademyAnon, so check that out.
They're this weekend.
We'll know soon enough becauseBritish time and American time
they don't overlap very well, sowe'll know them pretty quick,
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and next week we'll be reportingon the events that have
transpired.
Joseph (53:53):
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
We have just enough time for abacklash to occur for Nora and
Conclave so we'll see whathappens this weekend.
Jules (54:00):
I'm not sure that there is enough time for a backlash,
but I certainly think there'senough time for this become, for
this to become a, a two head atwo headed race.
Joseph (54:08):
Well, somebody better start looking up the tweets,
because I'm sure that there'sstuff there.
There is enough time for morebacklash.
There's time for more drama,why not?
Jules (54:15):
No, no, no, I don't think there's enough time, but
whatever the case, I think thereis potential, depending on what
happens with the BAFTA, forthere to be a two-man race here
between Onora and Conclave.
We'll see what happens.
Until then, thanks for joiningus on this episode.
I'm Jules and I'm Joseph, andit's been a pleasure.
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Hey, welcome back to another episode of Academy
Anonymous, I'm Jules.
And I'm Joseph, and on thisepisode, we're going to recap
some of the events that happenedlast weekend, as well as give a
forecast as to what we think isgoing to happen at the BAFTA
awards, which are going to takeplace this weekend.
Joseph (00:32):
Could be a big deal, could be a very big deal.
Jules (00:34):
Right, and so the big news out of this past week and
weekend was that Anora reignedsupreme and won the Critics'
Choice Award for Best Picture,which was a big shock because it
didn't win anything else Not tome, it was a big shock to me.
I think you were seeing thatcoming.
Joseph (00:51):
I mentioned that in our last episode that this was the
moment for Anora to turn thetide.
Jules (00:56):
Right and we're going to get into that right now.
It also surprised and won theDGA for Best Director and it won
the PGA for Best Picture of theYear.
I believe that we had predictedOnora to win the Producers
Guild Award.
I'm kind of happy about thatprediction.
However, for the DirectorsGuild Award, I'm pretty sure
(01:16):
that I predicted Brady Corbettwould win for the Brutalist.
How about you?
I think you were the, thereverse.
I think you said nora for bestdirector.
Joseph (01:24):
I was on I was the opposite.
I thought that sean baker wasbest positioned to win the dga
and that something like wicked,or possibly the brutalist
because of how much movie thereis there was probably the the
prime choice at the producersguild, but obviously in nora won
both right was not surprised tosee in nora at the critics
choice, even though if youwatched it live as the night
(01:48):
rolled on you started to get alittle bit worried that anora
was going to walk away justempty-handed, empty-handed, yeah
and uh.
Jules (01:55):
So I'm pretty happy that uh, we at least forecast or at
least I was uh forecasted a uhbest, uh best picture win at the
producers guild award for anora.
Um, and the thing about onorathat we're going to talk about
briefly is that, as we mentionedin our last episode, as you
mentioned very astutely, onorais in this perfect position
(02:15):
right now as a film that sort ofticks all the boxes and can
appeal to a broad enough basepost.
Uh, the emelia perez debacle.
You know, amelia perez kind ofhad this in the bag.
After the 13 nominations itjust seemed that that was, you
know, the favorite film, um, andthat was, uh the most
celebrated film, obviously.
(02:36):
But anora, after amelia perezwent away, and norah just seems
like the kind of film that mostpeople can get on board with.
Joseph (02:44):
It's funny enough, it's dramatic enough, it's
entertaining.
It's art house, it'sinternational.
Jules (02:49):
It's political, exactly.
Joseph (02:51):
It's.
You know pop culture at thesame time.
So I think you're right.
You know it.
Just it ticks so many of theright boxes.
Jules (02:57):
Right and enough people are going to see that movie and
even if there are some aspectsthat you're going to be turned
off by, depending on who youraudience is, there's going to be
something in that movie foreveryone.
Joseph (03:08):
Exactly.
Jules (03:08):
That most people will walk out feeling satisfied with.
I do think that has enoughpolitical resonance and
certainly charming enough,comedic enough, humorous enough,
broad enough, broad enough andalso profound enough.
You know, when we talk aboutthat ending, which is what
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you're going to leave peoplewith at the end of the film.
I think that's the ending ofthe year.
It's the most powerful endingof the year in my opinion and I
see its path, especially afterthese wins.
But even before that, you knowits path is very plausible to a
Best Picture win.
Joseph (03:48):
I think I had spoken to some degree about this after
Oscar nominations, because I didfeel that when you look at the
nominations as a whole, that theone film that sort of did its
job and then some, was somethinglike Anora.
When you think that Anora wasable to get Sean Baker in as a
(04:08):
writer, a director and an editorand it was also able to get
Yura in, it's really tough tothink of any category that Anora
was competitive in and did notget nominated for, I mean, it
didn't get nominated forcinematography and they were
never going to nominate thatfilm for cinematography, If they
did, you I mean it didn't getnine for cinematography and they
were never going to nominatethat film for cinematography If
they did you already know itshould be the clear favorite.
But among all the nominees, aComplete Unknown is missing.
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Editing Conclave is missing.
Directing the Emilia Perez shiphas sunk you know the.
Substance is missing.
I think editing as well, yeah,supporting actress.
Jules (04:44):
And so of all the films, the, the film with you know, the
most well-rounded game here istechnically a Nora right
repeating, I think, thenominations of Parasite right
and its success in nailing allthose nominations, I think
speaks to what we're talkingabout.
It's just a film that's goingto play well broadly for most
(05:04):
members.
Either it's going to be at thetop of your list or it's going
to be somewhere in the middle.
Yeah, and in the manner inwhich they tally up the votes,
you know what's going to end up.
Matter is consensus.
Exactly, and so you're going tohave a pretty good consensus on
that film and so you know I'mnot shocked that it's emerged as
a favorite.
I know online on on filmTwitter, the punditry world is
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shocked.
It's not that shocking againwhen you kind of lay out all the
cards and you just see how muchis in Onora's favor to sort of
go all the way to the BestPicture winner.
I will say that, at least forme, I'm pretty happy about this
development.
I think Onora is by and largeone of the best films on this
(05:51):
list.
It would be more than a worthywinner for Best Picture.
So I'm pretty happy about that.
I'm pretty happy that we'vesort of steered the ship away
from a win for, I think, alesser film like Emilia Perez or
something like Wicked.
Like you, I was kind of I wassort of afraid that it was going
to be the Producers Guildwinner.
(06:12):
I still think that it stands agreat chance at winning the
ensemble prize at the ScreenActors Guild Award.
Joseph (06:17):
So we'll see what happens there.
I mean, I really don't know.
I mean I would have said thesame thing about the Producers
Guild Award.
If there's any place that'sgoing to reward a behemoth of a
money-making giant, I think itwould have been the Producers
Guild Award.
You know, I think it goes toprove our point here.
You know, I know you're anenthusiastic champion for Honora
.
I enjoyed the film quite a bit.
(06:38):
It's not my favorite, SeanBaker film.
But when I look at this list,despite you know the
shortcomings that I find in thefilm and despite it not being my
favorite on the list, it stillscores yeah three, four or five
for me right so I I think itspeaks to again how the movie is
enjoyable enough and successfulenough to speak to almost
(06:59):
everyone yeah, 100.
Jules (07:00):
And I'll just add as much as I love onora.
I also wouldn't say it's myfavorite sean baker film, but I
do.
But I do quite love Onora aswell.
Joseph (07:08):
But I do think that you did hit on.
Something that we have to talkabout before we start speaking
about the other topics oftoday's episode is I had
forecasted that it was too earlyfor the backlash to take
complete effect on Amelia Perez.
Jules (07:25):
Right.
Joseph (07:25):
And I was clearly wrong.
Amelia Perez has swiftly beenshown the door, and so I think
we're both in consensus now thatAmelia Perez, the backlash, the
campaign against the film,social media has the, the, the
war against the film has beeneffective.
Jules (07:44):
Yeah.
Joseph (07:45):
And I don't think that we or anyone else that's really
watching what's unfolding hereis really considering Emilia
Perez to be a significant playerfor the big prize anymore.
Jules (07:56):
Right, 100%, I agree with you.
I will posit that, even aswe're talking about how well
Anora is doing and how, um, howwell it's sort of positioned
that it uh check marks all theseboxes, I do wonder why a film
like Conclave couldn't musterthis sort of you know general,
(08:20):
broad, sort of uh, you knowquote, unquote like enough to
sort of position itself as a youknow runaway favorite.
Right Because in some ways Ifeel like it.
It does check enough boxes aswell.
The only thing I can sort ofpossibly attribute to why it's
(08:42):
where it's at right now, whichis not as big a player as you
and I had anticipated going intothis award season, is that
maybe it's still too much in thevein of your typical
prototypical kind of Oscarfodder film.
And where we are right now inculture in film, culture in the
(09:03):
Zyggas, you know people wantsomething a little different.
Joseph (09:07):
I think that may be a factor, but I will say this is
that I do.
I had mentioned in our previousepisode that what we may be
seeing in the next few weeks istrying on a bunch of different
shoes to see which one appealsmost to the Academy.
I thought, as I said, that itwould be a Nora at the Critics'
Choice and at the DirectorsGuild.
(09:27):
It would be Wicked at theProducers Guild, maybe something
like A Complete Unknown at theSAG and Conclave at BAFTA.
I'm still of the opinion thatwe're still trying to find out
which movie is going to appealto the Academy best in terms of
having them be on that stage forBest Picture.
And as far as Conclave goes, Ido think that maybe it's a
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little surprising that it hasn'tstepped up in a big way or been
spotlighted in a big way yet.
It's made money, it'scritically acclaimed, it's sort
of the topic and sort of thefilmmaking that you know.
Traditionally these awardsbodies would recognize, maybe
not so much the critics' choicebut the DGA or the PGA and
certainly that idea that EdwardBerger and sort of some of that
(10:09):
creative team or you know someof his creative vision, you know
you're not just rewardingConclave but you're rewarding
the immense success of hisprevious effort, right?
So it's not like this is thefirst time you're being exposed
to his kind of cinema and hiskind of filmmaking.
Now he has two you know,academy award nominated best
picture movies under his belt.
I mean, is it maybe a factorthat you know?
(10:32):
Now voters know that he's notreally up for best director, so
why give him the dga, possibly?
I mean, it didn't stop benaffleck, but maybe you know, ben
affleck was enough.
They don't need to do that allthe time.
So maybe that's a factor.
But if any moment is going tooccur for Conclave to turn the
tide, it's going to be thisweekend.
Jules (10:51):
And.
Joseph (10:51):
I think it's going to turn the tide massively and I
think what I had initiallythought as multiple films,
possibly making the argument towin, might devolve into an onora
conclave fight at the end yeah,or it might devolve into a
onora conclave wicked, if wickedwins the ensemble award, as I
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think it will win.
Jules (11:13):
I'm still not 100 positive, but it could.
I see what you're saying abouta two, a two-way race, but it
could.
It could devolve into a orevolve into a three-way race,
depending on how the SAG goes.
Joseph (11:24):
It's possible.
I question how relevant the SAGis now.
I mean, the winners, I think,are so far along into the voting
process.
I don't think their winners arenecessarily going to overlap
with the Academy winners becauseI think by the time Oscar
voting closes they're not goingto see who the SAG winners were.
(11:44):
And, as you saw with thenomination for Jonathan Bailey,
where he failed to even getshortlisted at the British
Academy, and I believe he isBritish and certainly he didn't
really get any traction at theAcademy Awards.
I think that there's a with theway that SAG is composed now I
think there may be a certainbias, a certain skewing that
(12:06):
favors Wicked, that makes it aless reliable source for whether
Wicked is a contender or not.
But I agree with you If you wina guild, you're automatically
in the hunt.
Onora has two and it should getthe Writer's Guild Award right.
Whoever wins the SAG ensemble,which right now my gut says is
going to be an aura, I think anaura when the ensemble award.
(12:28):
But if it is a complete unknown, if it is wicked, I think they
immediately plant a flag.
For you know an alternativepossibility between conclave and
an aura.
Jules (12:39):
And listen if, if an aura wins best picture at baTA, I
think this is oh yeah, it'spretty much done, that's done
but I will say I disagree withyou a little bit in how, uh you
describe the Screen Actors Guild.
I think, as of late, they'vebeen almost the best precursor
to sort of determine, um, howthe academy is feeling about
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these movies.
You know, I just go back to youknow, uh, the sag being one of
the first indicators thateverything, every world at once,
was going to win three out ofthe four.
You know, um, uh, acting awards, um, and so I I get your point
and I and I agree with you, butI also think, to a certain
(13:21):
extent, but I also think, thatthey actually have established
themselves as being, you know,really kind of telling as to how
the Academy is going to end upvoting for these winners.
Joseph (13:35):
That's just been my observation as of late, it's
true, I mean, I think that'strue, but just keep in mind, how
many times has that occurredwithout the PGA backing it up?
You know, the pga backed upthat everything, everywhere, all
at once win that's true so myquestion is why would the pga
ever not give the award towicked right?
What possible logic is therefor that?
Jules (13:59):
well, other than I'm sorry, no, no, I just think.
No, I agree with you.
Agree with you, it's a verytelling move, but I think that
that's what's happening withWicked, that I just don't think
it's being considered.
You know, quote unquote seriousenough to win the award for
best film, that there are othercontenders on this list that I
(14:21):
think pack a bigger punch, havemore to say, reach broader with
regard to how they communicatetheir ideas and their themes.
I think you know Wicked ismissing some of that and that's
why it can be a nominee for 10Oscar nominations and still not
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win something as the PGA.
Joseph (14:45):
Yeah, I agree with you and I think you know there's an
old adage that you and I talkabout which is the best picture
winner is really just anadvertisement for what the
industry wants to see more of interms of a film and whether
it's Parasite or Oppenheimer.
You know, I think this is theindustry.
The Producers Guild win to meis the industry, is the excuse
(15:09):
me.
To me is the industry sort ofsaying we want to see more films
produced like Onora right, thatcan go to Cannes.
It can still open up in Octoberat the box office and make some
money and appeal to a25-year-old and year old and a
50 year old and a 30 year oldright and can be sort of fun and
(15:30):
and hip and sexy and edgy andedgy and, at the same time, have
something to say politically,socially um, and be also, you
know, dramatically, as you weresaying profound, yeah, yeah and
I also think you know, I thinkone of the great signs about
something like onora becomingthe front runner now is that
(15:52):
idea that the only reason whysean baker is here knocking at
the door right we spoke about itis because sean baker had the
door slammed on his face in 2017for the flor project, you know,
and Christopher Nolan wins forOppenheimer, but that doesn't
happen in a vacuum.
That happens after you know,movie after movie after movie
and a snub and a snub and asurprise nomination and things
(16:15):
like that.
So it just goes to this ideathat right now, maybe industry
might be a little bit morewelcoming of the idea that let's
reward these filmmakers whohave sort of the idea that let's
reward these filmmakers whohave sort of you know, put in
these years, paid their dues,put in these years in their
industry and are sort of tryingto, you know, blaze a trail for
(16:36):
certain types of cinema, certaintypes of filmmaking.
And, you know, they've proventhemselves both on the artistic
front, on the financial front,on the economic front, the
financial front on the economicfront, the festival front, um,
they've proven themselvesdomestically, globally,
internationally.
So I think that I think that'sa very encouraging sign about
anora, which is maybe an easierthing to sort of, I think,
(16:57):
champion from from myself thanthan wicked winning, because you
know it, it's more of anindustry pattern that feels like
a fad right it's a fad, it'llcome and it'll go.
And Jon M Chu?
Unfortunately he just doesn'thave the filmography that
someone like Sean.
Baker has at this point in hiscareer.
Jules (17:16):
I completely, completely agree.
I will say on that note, therewere a few other surprise wins
that I wasn't expecting in theCritics' Choice, and again we
went over our last episode.
We're very kind.
There were a few other surprisewins that I wasn't expecting in
the critics choice and again wewent over our last episode.
We're very kind of hot and coldwith the critics choice.
Check that out if you haven't,but I didn't see.
I don't think anybody saw.
Yeah, john m chu winning bestdirector.
(17:38):
That's one of those wins.
That's really puzzling.
Joseph (17:41):
You know, um, you would think you know how does the
critics choice come up to thechoice of a nora for best
picture the most criticallyacclaimed year and john mchugh
for best director?
It's an extraordinarily oddchoice yeah we can only, I think
, attribute that to votesplitting, or I expressed to you
an idea, maybe could it be apassion vote for wicked as in.
Jules (18:04):
Like you know, the votes that wicked was amassing, you
know, were so passion-based thatit was able to crack that
category when you have suchdenominated, like nine directors
, you know, and when each one istaking a little bit away from
each other a passion vote likejohn and chu can make it to the
top it could.
Joseph (18:21):
It could be that that there was vote splitting amongst
the other artistic choices andthat if you were high on wicked,
you were high on it all the wayand you were always going to
put john m2 at number one.
I think it could also be, youknow, cynically speaking, the
critics choice sort of hedgingtheir bets, which they're known
to do with their bradley cooperwins best actor in a thriller,
(18:43):
or adventure movie or a comedymovie, or I was.
I was thinking about americansniper when he won best actor
for an action movie yeah,against whatever sort of real
action movies, for a dramaticwar piece like american sniper,
only because he got an iron forthat oscar and they forgot to
nominate him for best actor atthe critics choice.
(19:03):
Um, so it might be a way ofthem hedging their bets in in
terms of like okay, we thinkonora stands a really good
chance of winning, but if it'snot onora, I think it could be
wicked so let's give it the bestdirector.
And the other thing I thoughtwas you know, best director this
year is just such a shit show.
It's such a shit show in termsof a failure to really have this
(19:26):
front runner, because evensomeone like sean baker, for all
the years he's had, he's neverreally been embraced by the
academy right and so this is hisfirst nomination and the number
of directors who went on theirfirst nomination are not, you
know, very many, and certainlynot for the kind of cinema that
sean baker sort of pushes 100,and so it's sort of a year
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without a run runner, and it'sreally anyone's ball game there,
right?
And so the only thing I can comeup with, too, is that the
Critics' Choice sort of saidlisten, anyone could win.
So instead of giving it to whowe think is going to win, let's
just give it to Jon M Chu forWicked, who we know is not going
to win because he's notnominated.
Jules (20:07):
I mean, I don't know, possibly, but it's certainly a
win that taps into that ideathat we were mentioning in our
last episode of you know someskepticism we have about you
know how the Critics' Choicemembers choose their winners,
how transparent they are withhow they choose their winners.
Right, you know, if there's anysort of okay, let's go back and
let's give it to this movie orperformer or filmmaker instead,
(20:30):
for whatever reason, becausethey've gained traction in the
Oscar race or they haven't.
Whatever, it's certainly apuzzling win, Kind of fishy.
Joseph (20:38):
It's a little fishy.
Jules (20:39):
They're known to give wins in a fishy manner.
Joseph (20:42):
Yeah.
Jules (20:42):
That's one of them.
Another win I was reallysurprised by and I think people
have to watch out.
We have to talk about it.
Well, I was going to talk aboutoriginal screenplay that's who I
was going to talk about right,and I think that people
seriously have to watch out forthe substance to uh win possibly
, screenplay over sean baker now, I know that sounds nuts,
(21:04):
because we're talking about howanora is the favorite and how
plausible it is to win BestPicture, and you would think
original screenplay isabsolutely an award that was the
frontrunner in, so if it's nowthe bona fide frontrunner for
the big prize, then why wouldyou take away an award like
screenplay?
Well, the fact that Sean Baker'snominated four times and could
(21:26):
win Director and Picture, youknow, might make it less
enticing for them to feel likethey have to give a Nora
screenplay as well.
And what I really think isinteresting is that number one,
that Coralie Fargeau, uh, whodirected the film, uh, was able
to win the Critics' Choice forBest Screenplay.
(21:46):
She is a female director and afemale writer and if the Academy
wants to highlight, as they'vebeen trying to do for the past
several years, a femalefilmmaker in some sort of light,
coralie Fargeat is it and herbest chance at screenplay.
(22:08):
It could be Now I will say it'scertainly sort of ironic in my
opinion, because I tend to thinkthat the screenplay is actually
one of the weakest parts, in myopinion, of the substance.
The substance winningscreenplay and Khan was sort of
a head scratcher for some people, for many people you have to
take that award for Greta Gerwig.
Joseph (22:26):
You have to take that award for Greta Gerwig when it
won that award.
Jules (22:29):
It was sort of a head scratcher because you wouldn't
think that an award that thesubstance would win out of all
the awards that could have wonat con would be screenplay, and
lo and behold, here it isnominated for screenplay at the
academy awards, where now Ithink as a dark horse to really
win this award.
Keep in mind, I think there aregoing to be voters who are
(22:49):
going to be vehementlyinterested in trying to give a
spotlight to a female filmmaker,and this would be the way that
they can do that.
Joseph (22:59):
I think that everything you've said is spot on.
I think I'll speak on thisfurther as we go further into
the episode, but I thinkeverything that you're saying is
going to be a factor, and I'llalso go ahead and say again the
same way that they're trying tohedge their bets with Wicked and
that JonMQ win, it could bethem hedging their bets that if
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there's a dark horse here, maybeit is the substance.
Jules (23:25):
For what?
For picture?
Joseph (23:26):
For picture I don't know about that all I'm saying is,
if you get a screenplay win andyou can get an acting win,
you're pretty close to that sortof comfortable three area of
the three wins that you tend toget you know, I'm thinking of
something like uh nomadland,right picture director and an
actress right CODA picturescreenplay and a supporting
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actor.
So I don't know it is a filmabout the industry.
Jules (23:53):
So I don't know.
I think that's where we kind ofI draw the line.
I don't think that's going tohappen.
I hear where the logic iscoming from.
It sounds like sound logic.
But I think there's so muchfirsts with this nomination, for
these nominations for this film, for the Substance, that
considering it being the winnerof several Academy Awards, feels
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like a little bit of a stretchwhen it's already kind of won
the big award which is beingable to crack that sort of
gatekeeping, that barrier, andbe a body horror film nominated
for five Academy awards bestpicture.
So I don't see it going beyondthat, that is the award, so
nowhere near best picture win,but I will say that, similar to
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what you're saying, it doesworry me.
It does worry me that if thesubstance were to win for Demi
Moore, who's the favorite, andwe've been calling that for a
while and it were to win forDemi Moore, who's the favorite,
and we've been calling that fora while and it were to win Best
Makeup, which it seems like anobvious pick, and it were to win
Screenplay, that's alreadythree Oscars.
That's what I'm saying Right,right.
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But I'm saying that three to mesounds like a lot.
Joseph (25:03):
Yes.
Jules (25:03):
So even at that it makes me feel like it should lose one
of those, because three for thatfilm, that kind of film seems,
you know, just doesn't seemrealistic to me.
Joseph (25:18):
I mean, if Nora's winning the DGA and the PGA, it
would seem like a no brainerthat it's going to pick up
screenplay.
And you and I have talked abouthow Demi Moore as much of a
frontrunner as she is, she'salways going to have a difficult
time against some of hercompetition, one person in
particular.
But I think again, you're rightthat the sort of crashing of
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the gates is the award for thesubstance, but someone who's not
crashing the gate, who has beenthere a long time and I'm not
sure they've actually won yetBevan and Fellner Do not
underestimate the power of Bevanand Fellner, of people
passionately putting in a moviethat's not supposed to be there
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because it's a genre piece, amovie that's an international
title, a movie that appeals toAmericans and US audiences, a
movie that is made for $7million and makes 75 off that
globally, I think and at thesame time finally giving an
award to Bevan and Fellner.
So I know it sounds crazy, butif it is that screenplay movie,
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then it's not a huge leap to saymakeup, screenplay, actress
picture there's four.
Jules (26:31):
Right.
Well, I don't know.
Like I said, I feel differently, but I hear where you're coming
from.
Joseph (26:37):
Can I just also say, just to play devil's advocate
here, how many times has theCritics' Choice winner actually
aligned with the Oscar winnerfor Best Picture?
Isn't there a sort of like acurse here, like the Golden
Globes, the curse of theCritics' Choice winner,
especially when they sort ofsplit and the Best Picture
winner is not the Best Directorwinner?
Jules (26:58):
We'd have to look into that.
I know that for a while theywere missing a lot, but as of
late, the Best Picturefrontrunner has been so obvious
that they haven't missed it.
So, oppenheimer, everythingeverywhere all at once, think
that well, we know that codadidn't.
Yeah, coda didn't win uh, whichwas surprising when it happened
, but it won the pga and it wonthe ensemble award for uh the
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sack, so that quickly became anobvious pick as well.
Um, and so I think they've beendoing pretty, pretty okay.
Well, who won in 2020?
Joseph (27:30):
it wasn't nomadland, wasn't I think it was nomadland
was it nomadland yeah, I thinkit was okay, um, in 2019.
I think it was hollywood onceupon a time, definitely
definitely once upon a time,hollywood 2019.
Jules (27:43):
But anyway, I feel like last few years they've been
pretty accurate, but this year'sa little different, as you were
saying, you know it's.
Joseph (27:50):
It seems a little bit more chaotic to play devil's
advocate again one more time.
I believe that time that onceupon a time in Hollywood won the
critics choice for best pictureand then lost the Oscar, it did
not win best director forTarantino.
I think best director mighthave been a tie between bung
john hall and sam mendes was ita tie?
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I think it was.
I think it was.
I'd have to research there, sodon't hold me to it, but I'm
pretty sure it was not quentinright, right, um, so we'll see
what that, we'll see where thatgoes.
I just thought that that winwas extremely interesting and
again I will say anotherimportant thing besides amelia,
you know, being shown the doorand those other titles that
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surprised there, and Onorawinning the big one a complete
unknown goose egg that night,you know could be foreshadowing,
could not be great news.
Jules (28:42):
Right.
Well, we'll see what happensthere, but, as we mentioned at
the beginning of this episode,the BAFTA awards are this
weekend, so we're going to recapthe predictions, our
predictions for who's going towin.
Joseph (28:55):
This is a big award because there's a lot of
crossover here between theBritish Academy and the Academy.
Jules (29:00):
Right so well, at least very, very recently, because
their acting awards just acouple years ago were picked by
juries.
Joseph (29:11):
Right.
Jules (29:11):
They're acting nominations and so we had a
couple years we had at least oneyear in 2021 where nobody in
the best actress field was evennominated Right.
So they had lack of successwhen they were doing those
juries.
In that sense, even though thatwas a really cool thing they
were doing that, they sort ofdisbanded this year because they
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want to be more competitive andthey want to be more accurate,
I guess, for how the oscar isgoing to play out.
But typically, if you win atthe bafta, you're in pretty good
shape yeah to really possibly,uh, take it at the oscars as
well yeahso let's start with uh, from top
to bottom.
I guess best picture thebrutalist um conclave, anora,
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immediate Paris and a completeunknown Um.
I'm going to go ahead and saythat conclave is the most
nominated film I believe with.
Well, with 12 nominations, Ithink conclave is going to win
Best Picture here.
Edward Berger's last film, allQuiet on the Western Front, I
think, had 14 BAFTA nominations.
It won Best Picture.
It was definitely really closeto possibly beating everything
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ever all at once.
If there was one movie that wasgoing to do it, it was going to
be All Quiet on the Western.
Joseph (30:20):
Front.
Jules (30:21):
It showed its dominance at the BAFTAs that night.
So, yes, I'm a bit skepticalthat another Edward Berger film
is going to win Best Picture,but I think Conclave this is
where it's going to make asplash at the BAFTA.
I believe Aquila on the WesternFront won seven BAFTAs off of
about 14 nominations.
As we said, about half.
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I expect a similar thing here12 nominations, five to six wins
for Conclave is what I'mthinking.
What about you?
Joseph (30:50):
I think that A Complete Unknown is out.
I think the Brutalist andEmilio Perez have the
international band and if BAFTAvoters have been paying
attention, onora should be thedark horse here.
And I think I want to mentionthat is that BAFTA voters.
I think voting ended onFebruary 11.
So they were privy toeverything going on with Amelia
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Perez.
That's why I think they'regoing to dump it, just like the
DGA and the PGA did.
But they did also see Enorahave an excellent Sunday and an
excellent Saturday and anexcellent Friday, and that may
be the tipping point.
But I agree with you.
I think the winner here isgoing to be Tessa Ross, point.
But I agree with you.
I think the winner here isgoing to be Tessa Ross.
Tessa Ross, producer ofConclave, big figure in British
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cinema and certainly Britishindependent cinema.
So I think the only Achillesheel for Conclave is can we
really give it to two EdwardBerger films back to back two
years apart At the same time?
There's just such great Britishtalent on here and there's
great international talent onhere and again, tessa Ross has
never really, you know, gottenup on that stage and I think
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this is the year for her to getup there.
Jules (31:56):
Okay, I agree 100%.
My spoiler would be actually.
Joseph (32:01):
Onora, me too, and, as I said, I think this may be when
we start to solidify the racebetween these two films, right.
Jules (32:08):
For Best Director.
Edward Berger is nominatedagain.
He won this category in 2022,2022, 2023.
For All Quiet on the WesternFront, brady Corbett for the
Boudalas, sean Baker for anora,coralie farge for the substance,
denis villeneuve for doom parttwo and jacques odiard for
emilia paris.
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Um, I'm gonna say that seanbaker wins this award for anora.
Joseph (32:35):
I mean, I I think what we're coming from is that edward
berger winning two bestdirector awards again back to
back just seems so far-fetched.
Sean baker is the better choice, jacques out of yard, but
emilia perez has been dumped.
I'm gonna go ahead and play theunder here and I'm gonna say
that the winner of this categoryis going to be coralie forja,
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and that again, bevin felner,probably a film that with a
little bit more time would havecrashed that Best Picture.
Five Voters now know that sheis now in for an Oscar, that's.
The other thing is that aftervoters know who was nominated or
not.
So an Edward Berger win is athrowaway.
A Denevo New win is a throwaway.
The backlash that's occurred toAmelia Perez might make it a
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throwaway.
So it's really Corbett, farzadand and sean baker and I
understand that anora iscertainly the front runner but
in terms of work, in terms ofsomething that really appeals to
them, because again it's bevinand felner um, and it's an
opportunity to highlight, youknow, a female filmmaker.
I don't know if they've everhad a female filmmaker cross
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this threshold, have they?
I'm not sure, because I I'm notsure if, uh, chloe's always
that one.
I'd have to check that but I'mpretty sure jane campion won.
Jules (33:48):
Jane campion did win, yes thank you um, but I'm gonna go
with corley fargeant anyway,okay my spoiler is going to be
um brady corbett for thebrutalist all right, I'll go
Corley for Aja and Sean Baker asa spoiler.
For Best Actress, we haveMary-Anne Jean-Baptiste for
Heart Truths so sad that's notactually a reality for the
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Oscars.
Cynthia Erivo for Wicked,saoirse Ronan for the Hour Run
At least she got something.
That was a beautifulperformance by Saoirse that got
completely blank this season.
Klaus-sophia Gascon, emiliaPerez, demi Moore, the Substance
, mikey Madison and Nora andthis is, I think, the favorite
is Demi Moore, certainly For theSubstance.
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I'm going to go with Demi Moorewinning.
I think that's close to ano-brainer, close to, and I'm
going to say that Mikey Madisonis the spoiler, but I think
there's a big gap between thespoiler and the predicted winner
.
I think it's Demi Moore all theway.
Joseph (34:48):
I agree.
I think this is Demi Moore's tolose, so Demi Moore for the win
.
It's hard, because all theseother actresses, although they
gave great performances, are sofar behind in terms of where the
campaign stands right now.
The only actress I can possiblysee upsetting demi more and
again, it's so far away iscynthia revo, for wicked right,
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that was my third.
Jules (35:09):
That was my third choice, yeah.
So um, for best actor, I'mgonna go with oh, so we have
adrian brody for the brutalisttimothy chalamet, a complete,
complete Unknown.
Coleman Domingo Sing Sing,sebastian Stan, the Apprentice,
hugh Grant Heretic and RalphFiennes Conclave.
At the beginning, very early onin the year, this seemed like
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it was going to be RalphFiennes' year to sort of just
sweep all these awards andfinally get the Academy Award
nomination that he's been deniedfor so many years.
He's one of our greatest actors.
I think this is his fourthnomination, or his third Oscar
nomination.
I think it's his third, Third,zero wins.
However, Adrian Brody in theBuddha List is terrific.
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It's the performance of hislife.
I think Adrian Brody isdefinitely winning this.
He did not win.
Interestingly enough, as wementioned in a previous episode,
he did not win for the Pianist.
He actually did not win.
Interestingly enough, as wementioned in a previous episode,
he did not win for the pianist.
He actually did not win theGolden Globe either, I believe,
for the pianist or the ScreenActors Guild.
Yeah, so in a way, all thoseawards bodies are going to feel
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comfortable giving him the awardfor their organization, because
he actually has never won inthose places Exactly.
But even at that, when it comesto the Oscars, he has such an
amazing performance.
I think he absolutely is goingto win the Oscar, but leaving
that for another day, I thinkhe's going to win here as well
Adrian Brody for the Brutalistand my spoilers definitely Ralph
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Fiennes for Conclave.
Joseph (36:39):
Well, listen, I think this is the do or die moment for
the Ray Fiennes campaign.
If they kiss enough babies, Ithink that he should be able to
win this.
I think Adrian Brody has to bethe favorite and I'm going to go
with you.
I think Adrian Brody wins, butthis is it.
This is where the Ray Fiennescampaign they have to win this
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or the war is over.
They have to win this or thewar is over.
They have to win this battle.
Jules (37:03):
I agree 100% For supporting actress we have
Isabella Rossellini, conclave.
Ariana Grande for Wicked, zoeZaldana, emilia Perez, felicity
Jones, the Brutalist.
Jamie Lee Curtis, the LastShowgirl.
And Selena Gomez Emilia Perez.
And the favorite is definitelyZoe Aldana, for Amelia Perez.
I think she is going to winthis category.
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Amelia Perez is sinking by theday.
However, it's going to winsomething it's not going to walk
down.
Joseph (37:31):
Can it hold on to?
I don't know it's a long timeto the Oscars.
Jules (37:33):
I don't see it winning nothing.
This is going to be the perfectplace to award Amelia Perez at
the Oscars.
Win the song.
Joseph (37:40):
that and song is what I'm saying, I'm saying it's
never going to win nothingbecause there's always best song
.
Jules (37:44):
Still I don't think it's going to I don't think it's
going to just win one.
In other words, um, I think zoezaldana is definitely going to
win this category in the baftas.
She's my pick.
My runner-up is actually goingto be someone like isabella
rosalini.
Who who has this European bendto her.
I don't think she's been on itfor any BAFTAs.
I think this is her first BAFTAnomination yeah, I think so.
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And so sort of a career, sort ofachievement win is my spoiler
for Isabella Rossellini, butagain, like Best Actress, big
space between my predictedwinner and my spoiler.
Joseph (38:19):
Zoe Zaldana has been able to survive the onslaught
against amelia perez.
I fear that the race is still alittle too far away from the
actual, you know, end date, thatshe may not be able to survive
all the way to the oscars.
But you know, baptist will go along way to solidifying the
idea that we're going to punishamelia perez, the movie, but
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we're not going to punish zoe'saldana I.
We're not going to punish ZoeZaldana.
I think you're right.
Zoe Zaldana is the front runnerhere and the spoiler.
I disagree.
I think it's actually FelicityJones and I do think a world
exists where the best actorwinner is Ray Fiennes and as a
compensation for that AdrianBrody loss, you're going to have
Felicity Jones, who again hasbeen working in the British film
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industry for a while and has anomination there.
So I do think Felicity Jones isby the minute getting closer to
stealing this away from ZoeSaldana.
Jules (39:13):
That's very interesting, okay, but right now we're both
predicting Zoe Saldana.
Joseph (39:16):
Yep All right.
Jules (39:18):
Supporting actor.
This is where I think it'sreally interesting because,
again, we'll see how we feel inthe next few weeks, but I tend
to think that those three actingcategories actor, actress and
supporting actress feel verylikely the people that the
favorites.
I think they're very likely notsaying that they're slam dunks,
but they seem very likely.
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The one acting category that Ithink has the most potential to
surprise is the best supportingactor category, because the
favorite is Kieran Culkin forReal Pain, which did a muster
best picture nomination with 10spots.
It's not very often that we seea winner for an acting category
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not come from a film thatwasn't nominated for best
picture with 10 spots, so Ithink that's really handicapping
Kieran Culkin.
All that to say is I'm reallyunsure that Kieran's going to
win the Oscar, but in order forthat to become a reality the
reality being that he doesn'twin someone else has to step up
to the plate, and one of theseleft uh, one of these uh award
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shows, that is uh left, and thebest person to do that is edward
norton for complete unknown.
It's his fourth oscarnomination.
He's playing a real life figurein a complete unknown.
It's a very good performance,um, and he's an actor that I
think a lot of actors um value,and it's an easy place to award
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a movie like A Complete Unknownwhich, as we saw in the Critic's
Choice, went completely zeroGoose egg.
If you want to give A CompleteUnknown something, this would be
the place to do it, or at leastone of the few places that is
most likely to happen, mostpossible to happen, rather.
So I'm going to say thatbecause I think that's where
things are heading, that edwardnorton is going to end up
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winning the oscar.
I think he needs to uh have awin either here at the sag and I
like him having a win more herethan having one at the sag um,
because uh, I think kierancolkin um is aier name, you know
, after Succession with thatawards body, the SAG awards body
(41:26):
, and actually he's never won aSAG for Succession, an
individual SAG.
I think that'll help.
And I think, for the BAFTAs, areal pain is just this small
indie.
Yes, it has funding, um fromforeign entities, um, but it's
sort of an american independentfilm, a small indie film, and
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you know those don't tend to dogreat here at the baftas, and so
why not give the award to abest a film that they liked
enough to not have a bestpicture, um, an american film,
uh, like a complete unknown?
This would be the spot.
So I'm gonna say edward norton,a complete unknown, is the
winner for supporting actor andmy uh spoilers.
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Definitely kira colkin for areal pain.
Joseph (42:13):
I think a lot of that is is pretty compelling.
I think you're just a littlebit early.
I think that that is somethingthat will likely materialize at
the SAG.
I still like Kieran Culkin herebecause it is a production that
has a lot of internationalsupport, support from Poland.
I think it is a small, tinyindependent film, but it also
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has this resonance, I think,with the UK because of sort of
the subtext about World War IIand the Holocaust in the film,
and so I think Kieran Culkinstill wins this.
And then the dark horse, thespoiler here is Edward Norton.
Jules (42:49):
All right, Original screenplay.
We talked about this.
I believe the winner here willbe Onora, but the spoiler is
definitely the Substance.
Joseph (43:00):
I think you're right.
I agree, onora, for the win,and then the spoiler, the
substance.
If the substance does win this,I think you're.
Yeah, you're right.
We're firmly in the territorywhere corley farzad is gonna
upset sean baker for this price,100 I agree.
Jules (43:14):
Adapted screenplay I think this one's a little easy
too.
I think it's definitelyconclave and then after that, as
a spoiler, it gets a littledifficult because everyone has
sort of cons in terms of whatthe BAFTA typically likes.
I'm going to say Amelia Perezis still the spoiler, but again,
big gap between Conclave andAmelia Perez.
Conclave is my choice.
Joseph (43:33):
I agree.
I think it's Conclave.
It's really maybe pointless tocome up with a second title as a
spoiler, but if pressed, Iguess I'd have to pick a
complete unknown.
Jules (43:42):
All right Cinematography.
I'm going to say that it's theBoudalas.
Lowell Crowley is British.
I believe this is his firstnomination at the BAFTAs.
Joseph (43:53):
Yeah, it is.
Jules (43:54):
I think that the Boudalas is going to go far and win the
Oscar as well for BestCinematography, but sticking
with the BAFTAs, I believe thatthe Budalists will win this
category and my runner-up isNosferatu.
But again, very far, I feel thesame.
Joseph (44:12):
I feel the same.
Jules (44:13):
Okay, costume design.
I'm going to go Wicked as thewinner and my spoiler is going
to be I guess Nosferatu yeah, Ithink I have to agree as well.
Joseph (44:28):
This should be an easy one for wicked, and nosferatu is
a is a good second best filmediting.
Jules (44:35):
Um, we're gonna go with.
Um.
This one's actually a quite aninteresting category because I
think either Conclave or Noracould win here again.
You see a pattern emerging hereeither of them could win, but
I'm going to say that Conclavewins best film editing and the
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spoiler is Nora.
Joseph (44:58):
I agree.
I think it helps that theeditor for Conclave, I believe,
is from the uk and has worked ona lot of uh, uk titles, um, and
that, you know, a win for seanbaker here on top of screenplay,
possibly even director andpicture, I think is just
overkill.
So I think this is conclave andan aura for the spoiler okay,
best makeup and hair.
Jules (45:19):
Um, I think that's an obvious choice for the substance
, as the winner and the spoileris going to be Nosferatu for me.
Joseph (45:26):
I agree, I agree.
I mean I hope that theSubstance doesn't creep out
voters too much but I think thisis the Substance to lose.
Jules (45:33):
Right, I agree.
Production design.
I think this is an easy awardfor Wicked to win.
If it doesn't win, my spoileris the Brutalist.
Joseph (45:43):
Both good choices.
I do think Wicked will win herefor Nathan Crowley Again
another talent, I think fromLondon.
I do wonder if this isn't agreat moment to give it to Susie
Davis for Conclave.
She worked on Saltburn.
She was nominated for MrTurnerer.
The buddha is also a greatchoice, but it's actually a more
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competitive category than Ithought between conclave,
nasferatu dune, the buddha listum, I'll go wicked and the
spoiler conclave, suzy davis.
Jules (46:16):
okay, perfect um score, I'm gonna go.
Well, this, this, actually thiscategory is really not easy.
I certainly think it's betweenthree movies the Boudalas,
conclave or Amelia Perez.
Had Amelia Perez not nosedived,I would have said Amelia Perez
was the favorite here.
For score, conclave seems likean obvious choice, but he did
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win for Aquila and the WesternFront rather recently the
Boudalas has a very attentioncalling score, but it's also.
Conclave seems like an obviouschoice, but he did win for
Alcuin Western Front ratherrecently.
The Brutalist has a veryattention-calling score, but
it's also enigmatic in a way, ina way that I don't think it's
going to appeal broadly orbroadly enough.
So you know it's tough, youknow I'm going to say, I'm going
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to say Conclave is the winnerand the spoiler is the Brutalist
.
But again, watch out for any ofthose three to win here.
Joseph (47:10):
Because he won so recently.
I'm not so thrilled of Conclavewinning here.
I think Daniel Blumberg is fromthe UK maybe from London again,
so I think that might be anedge here, but I'm going to go
ahead and say that this is aprize that Emilia Perez can
still win, and so the win toEmilia Perez and the runner up
for the Brutalist.
Jules (47:29):
Very interesting.
Best sound design.
I'm going to go ahead and sayit's between Dune Part 2, wicked
and the Substance, and I'mgoing to give the edge to dune
part two.
And the spoiler is wicked, Iagree.
I agree with those best visualeffects.
I think that better man shoulddo well here.
(47:51):
Um, I think it might besurprising.
I think most people are goingto predict dune part two, but
I'm going to go with better manas being the winner for visual
effects and and my spoiler isDoom Part 2.
Joseph (48:02):
That would be massively interesting and I agree with you
, I like that.
I think Better man here, theRobbie Williams of it all.
Jules (48:10):
I think Better.
Joseph (48:11):
Man for visual effects and Doom is a spoiler.
Jules (48:18):
But I think Better man is going to win here For casting.
I really like Conc here forcasting.
Um, I really like conclave umfor casting.
I think that that's a verydiverse cast in and of itself
and again, very well-knownactors, um, of all kinds of
caliber, right, uh.
So I think that that is goingto go in its favor.
So I'm going to give theprediction to conclave, and the
spoiler is anora.
(48:39):
I certainly think it's betweenthe two of them.
Well, listen.
Joseph (48:43):
I think that again, here we go again.
Conclave and Onora.
I think those are two excellentchoices.
Kneecap has to win something.
Kneecap absolutely has to winsomething.
I'm not going to say Kneecaphere yet for casting as the
winner or the runner-up, but itcould get very close.
I'm going to go as the winneror the runner-up, but it could
get very close.
I'm going to go with the winnerbeing Conclave you're right and
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the spoiler being Onora.
Jules (49:07):
Right, and in any feature I'm going to go with Flo as my
prediction and the wild robot asmy spoiler.
Joseph (49:14):
I agree with that.
I think the internationalappeal of Flo should be able to
get it over the hump here.
Jules (49:25):
Then for children's and family film, a little bit of a
weird category for me, um, youknow, just in general, I'm
thinking this is a weirdcategory to have in your
broadcast, um, but I'm going togo with the wild robot being
able to get this, this award,and miss the animated feature
award.
That's my prediction.
Joseph (49:41):
And the spoilers wallace and gromit vengeance most foul,
the I think this is the haveyour cake and eat it too award.
Um.
But I think that if flow iswinning animated feature, it
would make sense to see the wildrobot here.
But I'm actually gonna go theopposite.
I think this is where they'regonna award vengeance most foul.
You know they love wallaceandom.
It was a fantastic film.
(50:02):
I think it'll be close, butI'll go Vengeance Most Foul for
the win and the Wild Robot forthe runner-up.
Jules (50:08):
Okay for Best Documentary it should be a film that's
nominated for the Academy.
So that narrows it down to twoNorthern Land and Black Box
Diaries.
I think typically if you winthis, if you win the BAFTA for
Best Documentary, you tend tothat tends to carry over to the
Academy.
It's a great bridge Right, so Ithink that no Other Land is
(50:28):
going to win here for BestDocumentary and the spoiler is
Black Bucks Diaries, I agree ForBest Foreign Film, now this
one's kind of interesting Yep.
I do feel that some of thecontroversy as to the approach
that Emilia Perez took to makethat film is going to resonate
more for members of the Academythan it is for members of the
(50:51):
BAFTA, and so I think.
Emilia Perez will win this awardfor Best Foreign Film and I
think that the spoiler I'm goingto say that the spoiler is I'm
still here.
Joseph (51:02):
Well, listen, I think you may be right about Emilia
Perez being able to hold on here, possibly.
We know Jacques Gaudiard hasbeen nominated here before Right
, so I'll go with Emilia Perezas well.
But my spoiler is going to bekneecap.
Kneecap has to win somethingright.
Kneecap absolutely has to winsomething Right cap.
Jules (51:21):
Kneecap has to win something right.
Kneecap absolutely has to winsomething right.
Okay, for best um british film,as you were saying.
I predict that.
My prediction is that kneecapwill win best british film.
Joseph (51:29):
Well, it's gotta win something yeah it's gotta win
something.
Jules (51:31):
I think this is a perfect place to award it.
It's big enough.
Uh makes more, it makes sense,and my spoiler is conclave right
.
Joseph (51:39):
Um, yeah, I agree with that.
I think, again, kneecap has towin something, right, right.
So kneecap for British filmmakes a lot of sense, unless
they give it foreign film.
You know, I think Conclave isthe runner up here, but I will
say you know, if you want tohave your cake and eat it too,
the British Academy could decideto go on nora for best picture
(52:02):
and conclave for british filmyeah right, I mean that's one
award that all, quite thewestern front, did not win right
, it was british film right so Imean, maybe they want to give
tessa ross the lesser of the twoprizes.
You know, I hope not, but um, itcould end up happening that,
you know, you get Conclave forBritish film, nora for best film
(52:23):
and Kneecap for foreign film.
Jules (52:26):
Certainly something that could happen.
Interesting so, but you'repredicting Kneecap and your
spoiler is Conclave.
Yeah, I'm going to go withKneecap and my spoiler being
Conclave.
Okay, so we agree there.
And then the last category thatwe're predicting is Rising Star
.
Joseph (52:37):
I think this one's a no-brainer, I think voted on by
the people, by the public aswell.
Jules (52:40):
Right, I think this one's a no-brainer, I think, voted on
by the people, by the public aswell, right, um, I think this
was a no-brainer.
I think Mikey Madison willdefinitely win this, and then my
spoiler is actually going to beuh, david Johnson, wonderful
job this year, yeah terrific.
Joseph (52:53):
Uh well, listen, I think again voted by the public, and
you know, when the public votesin mass, sometimes a lot of bad
things happen.
So I'm actually thinking againthis is no knock on the artist.
I think all artists arewonderful.
I think the winner actually hereis going to be Marissa Abella,
who at this point in her careerhas probably been seen a little
bit more widely than fromBritish audiences from British
(53:16):
audiences than Mikey Madison,and so I think the winner here
is Marissa than Mikey Madison,and so I think the winner here
is Marissa, and possibly I cansay that the spoiler here might
be Mikey sure.
Jules (53:28):
Okay.
Well, that's a rundown of theBAFTA predictions.
We're going to have it upofficially in our Twitter at
AcademyAnon, so check that out.
They're this weekend.
We'll know soon enough becauseBritish time and American time
they don't overlap very well, sowe'll know them pretty quick,
(53:48):
and next week we'll be reportingon the events that have
transpired.
Joseph (53:53):
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
We have just enough time for abacklash to occur for Nora and
Conclave so we'll see whathappens this weekend.
Jules (54:00):
I'm not sure that there is enough time for a backlash,
but I certainly think there'senough time for this become, for
this to become a, a two head atwo headed race.
Joseph (54:08):
Well, somebody better start looking up the tweets,
because I'm sure that there'sstuff there.
There is enough time for morebacklash.
There's time for more drama,why not?
Jules (54:15):
No, no, no, I don't think there's enough time, but
whatever the case, I think thereis potential, depending on what
happens with the BAFTA, forthere to be a two-man race here
between Onora and Conclave.
We'll see what happens.
Until then, thanks for joiningus on this episode.
I'm Jules and I'm Joseph, andit's been a pleasure.
(54:35):
The music on this episode,entitled Cool Cats, was
graciously provided by KevinMacLeod and Incompetechcom,
licensed under Creative Commons.
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(55:11):
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