Ep 7. The raw emotions of missed shots and podcasting up late with Chris Waters The Huntsman

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Chris Waters, The Huntsman and I dive straight into the thick of it at Accurate Hunts HQ in New South Wales, kicking off Huntsman season two with a bang. Together, we peel back the curtain on the raw and unfiltered world of hunting podcasting. From the adrenaline of a challenging shoot to the nuanced art of guest selection, we offer an insider's look into the crafting of authentic and original narratives that resonate with both seasoned hunters and newcomers to the sport.

Navigating the transition from shooter to hunter is a journey paved with both skill and emotion. This episode doesn't shy away from the gritty truths behind the hunt, discussing the ease of firearm acquisition and the critical role of mentorship and hands-on training in fostering responsible hunters. We also share a slice of life from the field, where the flick of a deer’s ear can mean the difference between success and another learning opportunity. Through the lens of our guiding experiences and the running of a beginner hunting course, we underscore the value of education over mere trophy pursuit.

Every hunter carries a trove of tales, and we're no different. Laughter erupts as we recount the lighter moments of password woes and the mishaps that befall even the most experienced among us. Yet, beneath the humor lies a profound connection to the land and to each other, a bond that we explore through shared frustrations, triumphs, and the quiet healing found in nature's embrace. Join Chris and I as we journey into the heart of hunting, sharing insights and stories that bind us to the wild and to the community we cherish.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
On the seventh episode of our here at Hunts.
So today's day two.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're on the evening, I feel like I have shot the
worst I've ever shot in my life.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I think so yeah, and I'm not going to hide those
emotions.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
So I'm trying to do something that I think is
wholesome, that I think ishelpful, and there are platforms
like FoxStyle that can help usachieve that by increasing our
audience and giving us exposure.
It's a long, weird answer.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Like I said, sometimes my guests don't give
me much opportunity to talk Likeso we tell we're going to go
and learn how to glass that hilland we were going to teach them
how to glass the hill.
What we failed to realise waswe first need to teach them what
the word means.
Yeah, Before we teach them howto do.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
They're right there and they're like now glass the
hill.
And they're like these are mybinoculars.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
We're here at Acura Hunts HQ yes, we are which is
out in the central west of NewSouth Wales, and I'm hosting
Chris as part of his Huntsmanseason two.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
We are recording an episode, the first episode, the
first episode, which is prettyexciting.
It is yeah, it is quite new andtrying to figure out how we do
it.
It's a journey.
It is definitely Today has beena journey which I'm sure we'll
probably talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, let's talk about it now.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, I thought I actually thought so a few times
now in the last couple of days.
You've mentioned that no oneasked you questions.
No, and even our last podcastthat we did was very.
It was like quite, at least onmy podcast, the Huntsman, yeah,
it was quite themed.
We didn't really have anythingto do with you and your personal
life, and so I'm happy to askyou questions.

(01:53):
You get to, don't you want moreMaybe?
You may be causing too.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, it's just tricky going from, you know, podcasting
traditionally with a co-hostand then podcasting by myself.
How have you found that Reallyenjoyable?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Do you enjoy?
Maybe it's not an enjoy moreand enjoy less, but I'm not sure
.
It's just very different.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, I do enjoy controlling things and doing
things myself my own way.
Yeah.
So that's nice just to have.
You don't have to ask questions.
So I work for myself outside ofhunting and everything.
Yeah, I run my own business.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I won't waste a question on that.
I know you do fancy.
That's about it.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Keep up your sleeve, but it's enjoyable to you know,
I don't want to do one tonight,but I want to do three tomorrow.
Yeah, I really like that guest.
So I don't have to ask someonewhat do you think about that?
I just I organize it.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
You're not as cheeky though.
No, I think people miss thecheek.
Yeah Well, there's no.
You were very cheeky in yourlast podcast.
I mean some would say toocheeky.
Yeah Well, you would say Iwouldn't, I love the cheek.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
There was a lot of opportunity in that one to just
throw a maxing and watch it burnand sit back and let it go.
Watch the bonfire.
Watch the bonfire from adistance and I have a pyromaniac
, so that was fun yeah it istrue, but that was part of the
magic behind that's why I wantto say well, People if you're
watching this or listening tothis and you don't know what
we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Dodge used to be involved in a podcast called
Endless Pursuits.
It was a podcast between himand Matt, and I think some of
the magic behind what made thatpodcast so successful and fun
was the dynamic between you two,and not just the.
We ripped on him, the different.
Yeah, you ripped.
It did get a little bit likeRippy Rippy, yeah, but these

(03:40):
kind of jokes are starting tobite on both ends from both of
you, and it was almost like thewriting was on the wall at that
point.
Yeah, it was time, but yeah, soyou have less of that ripiness
in your new podcast.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like youget more out of your guess.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, I do agree with that, and one of the things I
talk about a lot and something Ifocus on is I actually don't do
a lot of research going intothe episodes on purpose.
Yeah.
I'm not going to write my guess.
I know the theme.
I don't write anything down, Idon't structure it too much and
what comes of it is a genuineconversation, less of an

(04:18):
interview.
Yeah.
And if you say something midway,I'm not looking at my sheet
ready for the next question.
Yeah, I'm focused on whatyou're saying.
Yeah, formulating an answerthat's hard because I have a
terrible memory and you're likesome guests will talk for three
or four minutes, which is fine.
That's what they're on therefor.
Yeah, and I forget what Iwanted to ask straight away.
Yeah, so that gets tricky.
The downside of a single personinterview or conversation is

(04:41):
quite often unlike us, but quiteoften the guests we're meeting
for the first time or we don'thave a first-year interview, you
might not have chemistry orexisting kind of things to draw
off.
And some guests just pick up onthat and run with it and it's
quite fun and funny, and thensome you never get to that point
.
It's just informative andlearning, and that's the other
reason I don't do the research.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I like to learn as Well, everyone else is learning
at the same time.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I feel like I'm formulating a question that
someone listening on the otherend also may be formulating at
the time.
Yeah, and my friend Beau isalways into me.
He's like man, like I wish Icould interject and ask a
question.
Yeah, and it's the downside ofpodcasting.
Well, you can do it live.
There are podcasts that I likethat there is.

(05:23):
But what we've done new toAccurate Hunts you'll be
available through the websitesoon is we've set up a section
on the podcast page where youcan write in or send in an audio
question and what we'll do iswe'll bank those up and then get
the guest back to answer thatquestion.
So, if anyone has a questionabout why you didn't actually
get a haircut for episode one.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I did get my haircut for episode one.
No, he didn't, I did, I did.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
And the air-dresser was really nervous.
Well what?
Because they didn't have thescissors, because she didn't
want to ruin it.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Ruin it, ruin it, ruin it, yeah, and I.
She knew what was at stake.
Season one of that, season twoof that, it's all riding on the
haircut.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, she has to be in the credits.
That's the game.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, and she even offered the haircut for free.
Did you take it?
No, I paid for it.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, I hope you did it because it looks like she's
not finished.
But if someone would like toask Chris where he gets his
haircut, you can send in thatquestion via the website
accuratehuntscomau andapparently I'm obliged to answer
Acure at huntscom.
There's no way you, we own theworld.
Yeah, so.
Have you ever.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
here's a question.
Okay, there's a number two orthree.
I asked about podcastsapparently at the moment, but
it's probably it's good to dohave you and I've always wanted
to do this, but I never feltlike I've needed to do it.
Have you ever completelydisagreed with someone on your
like a guest and to the pointwhere it's like uncomfortable,

(06:46):
because I actually think thatthat would be really good?
Do you remember the first timewe interviewed you?
I don't think I did I reallydisagree with you?
No, I didn't like you yeah.
I know that, but so I disagreewith everything you say.
Yeah, I mean, I'm literally tothe point where, if we're
talking now and I'm and I'm justlike flat out, like no, like
that's, I call BS on that, likeyour, your virtue signaling or

(07:09):
what I can literally call youout, which would be incredibly
rude, but like, have you everwanted to do that?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
No, and I don't.
I don't know it depends on theguests and how far you are into
it, but at the moment I'mgetting guests on that are
interesting and that I want tolearn from them, and quite often
I know what that is, that Iwant to learn from them.
So I don't feel like there's aguest on that, like I'm not
looking for guests that areargumentative or or a

(07:36):
disagreeing, or like I'm gettingthings on that I'm interested
in.
Yeah, so I don't see that.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I would disagree with them.
I just I.
My concern is and it'sespecially in the Australian
hunting podcast space, of whichI dabble but there are far more
serious hunting podcasts thanmine but it feels like there's a
regurgitation of guests, thatkind of go around, which is fine
, there are no, no issues withthat but it becomes a bit

(08:01):
formulaic and it becomes a bitlike you've got something to
pedal, you're on here orsomething news happened and it
just feels like I don't know.
I'm not going to say what I wasthinking.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
I think it's tricky because we're in a small
community.
It is a limited pool I nearlysaid talent pool, that's the
wrong word but just a limitedgroup of people to pull, pull
from.
But, like, I've taken aslightly different direction and
the guests I've had on haven'tbeen on others for a reason and
I'm not looking like.

(08:35):
It doesn't have to be thebiggest expert in that field.
Yeah.
That.
You know, if you Google,there'd be the first name that
come up, but it's someoneinteresting to me, or some of us
had an interesting story ordone an interesting first.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think there's value in chaos I just love.
I think I davele in it way toomuch where I just and not even
for entertainment's sake, likenot even for not trying to be
sensational, not trying to beclick baity, just because it's.
I feel like we live in thisworld where everything is very
PC, everyone is veryaccommodating, everyone is very

(09:09):
empathetic in the and it's allin the guise of empathy, whereas
true relationship often likethere are things that we will
fundamentally disagree about,even though we are very similar
in our world views, and that'sthe fun territory to explore.
When you have trust, yeah, whenyou when you're.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't know if I'd pushed down that avenue, like,
if there's someone on that,there was something about their
life that I knew I didn't agreeon.
I wouldn't bring it up, yeah,and if it came up, I don't know
if I'd pull them up.
Yeah, just not.
Okay, that's your belief, yeah,and leave it there.
Interesting so chaos.
We're sitting out here in.
No, I'm not going where youthink I'm going.

(09:45):
We're sitting out here in abuggy.
This is the Acura Hunt'sultimate hunting buggy UHB
ultimate hunting buggy and weare surrounded with one, two,
three, four lights, because it'scurrently about 1030 at night.
Yeah, and 4,000 bugs, yeah.
So if you see us flicking andflapping and whatnot, if you can
hear, yeah, crickets in thebackground.

(10:06):
It's not the crowd being boredat what we're.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, we're literally sitting in a buggy.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
In the middle of nowhere.
It's a cool idea.
We've moved away from camp justbecause there's stuff going
back on at camp.
Yeah.
A bit of skinning andbutchering things, because it
was a successful day.
It was.
So, depending on when this goesto air, whether your episode
has come out or not, I think itwill have.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
If you're interested, can I do a plug?
Go Sure If you're interested inwatching season two of the
Huntsman Costumer sponsor.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Can I go in?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
your credits.
You can sure you can check outFoxTel or Aurora the last
Thursday of every month at 8pmor you can watch it concurrently
on the Huntsman YouTube channel.
It's exciting, it's veryexciting.
Nervous, if we pull it off,nervous, extremely easy.
You can tell from today yeah, Ican what happened today.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Today we're going to start yesterday, so today's day
two, we're on the evening.
We're on the evening.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I feel like I have shot the worst I've ever shot in
my life.
Okay, yeah.
I'm not one to hide thoseemotions and initially and he's
some backstory that might give Ireally dislike starting in
rifles.
It's my least favorite thing todo.
It's somewhat necessary, thoughCorrect, but I consider myself

(11:26):
a hunter, not a shooter, and Iunderstand that being a rifle
hunter requires a certain levelof shooting experience, shooting
wisdom, shooting knowledge,shooting technical know-how, all
that stuff.
I get it, so I don't fight it.
But there's something about thestarting in process that just
really irks me and I think it'sbecause I'm spending money on
something doing something that Idon't really want to do, even

(11:47):
though I have to.
So I actually spend a fair bitof time.
I got new ammunition for therifle, got rid of the cheaper
stuff that I was using.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Seiko 170 grain Cow head Blade, speed Blade.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Blade, which I really am liking, and I got a sled.
They go really well whistlingpast animals.
They do.
I got a sled and I got adifferent base and I completely
changed the way that I was doingstarting in and I actually
enjoyed it and I was gettinggreat groupings.
Everything was great.
And so I put time in and gotthis gun shooting fantastic,

(12:23):
partly because I knew that thestakes were higher when we were
filming a hunting DB show.
And then to come out on thefirst day and just perform
terribly is really hard.
It's really like I.
Yeah, at the risk of gettingemotional really hard, and it's

(12:43):
not even that I feel a lot ofpressure, but there's-.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
There's something welling up in your throat there?
Yeah, there is, no, it's justwelling up.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's hard when you take something beyond your own
needs and requirements and youshoulder the needs and
requirements of other people andthe financial requirements
Talking about show sponsors andobligations you have to sponsors
and things like that, and thesponsors that we have for Season

(13:19):
2 are all fantastic.
In fact, they're not andthey're not like Like.
They're people, at the end ofthe day, who have families and
businesses, and some of thosebusinesses are bigger than
others and they understand.
But you still want to do reallywell, you still want to put on
a great show, you want tosupport them, you want to make
sure that their products areselling because ultimately, they
care about the hunting industryin Australia and they want to

(13:40):
do a good job.
So everyone's got the same goal.
That's what is maybe difficultfor people on the outside to see
when you look at a hunting showis, for the most part,
everyone's trying to do the samething and so and it all comes
down to like a fraction of asecond, like a point where you
pull the trigger or you squeezeit, or you don't squeeze it, or

(14:01):
your rifle is sited in properlyor it's not, and the last day
and a half I've shot terriblyand it's been really hard to
deal with that and you'rewatching your timer tick down of
the time that you have left,and the mornings you have left
and the evenings you have left,and throughout the day you have

(14:22):
left, and then you're alsothinking about all the other
stuff you have to film and it'sa lot of pressure and today I
kind of reached an emotionalmelting pot, which I haven't
actually ever done in hunting.
Yeah, that's what happenedtoday.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, and coupled by the fact that you were
mentioning that there's nobanter and things.
There was lots today, yeah, andyesterday, correct, and I'm not
one to hide my emotions too,much no.
I appreciate it and there's alot of disappointment from me
Not disappointing youspecifically, but my job as a
guide is to host, yeah, provideopportunities and provide

(14:58):
opportunities, and then, if theopportunity is lost, whether it
be through miss or blown storkor whatever happens to me that
was therefore unsuccessful and Iwas like, right, we've got to
go again.
And you know, do you don'tpresent opportunities
willy-nilly, like goats do?

(15:18):
Correct, and that's the focusof this trip is to try and nab
some deer.
There's lots of goats here, Idon't have to worry about that.
There's lots, yeah, there'slots of not in huge numbers at
the moment and we've had a fewopportunities and some have come
okay and some haven't, hmm, soyeah, you'd have to watch to

(15:40):
find out what happens.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
We don't even know what's going to happen in the
end.
We've still got two days.
We've got a day and a half left.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
We've got a day and a half left Left, so we're
halfway and, as Jesteray thecameraman would say, you know
shows need to go like this, butat the moment we're like if
easily.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
If you're watching oh , you've just watched episode
one of season two and you'relike man, they milked that drama
.
And man they just like no, notat all.
Very, very real yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
That story arc is very real Gets left on the
editing floor.
Yeah, 100%.
How much of my grief I gave you?
Yeah, I mean missing.
It's a tricky thing.
I don't actually shoot thatoften anymore because I'm with
people.
Yeah, I'm with people that areshooting.
Yeah.
So their misses is my miss.

(16:30):
Yeah.
And it's the same.
But I look at it a little bit,that if you're not missing,
sorry I'm getting smashed bybugs and mozzies, but if you're
not missing, you're probably notshooting enough, because
everyone misses, correct, yeah,and just you've, you know, saved
those up for this trip.
It was high.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's high when you, when you shoot so well for an
extended period of time, andthen you kind of feel
untouchable, right, and you andyou don't put the thought in to
that you might have otherwiseput into making sure you're
ticking all your boxes anddotting all your eyes and
crossing on your teeth and soand that's what makes it hurt
even more, like that when you'redoing, you're doing a really

(17:09):
good, you're shooting reallygood and you're shooting well
under pressure.
Like it's hard to describe topeople how difficult it is to
have to have all the pressure ofa show and a cameraman and all
this different stuff and then toand to deliver that that thing
that it's going to make theepisode pop and do well.
Why do it then?

(17:31):
Because it's things that areharder worth doing and
communicating issues like thisor not issues, but realities is
important, and because I don'tfeel that there has been enough
content like this in.
There's been certainly contentin Australia about hunting and

(17:51):
there's some great hunting showsexisting hunting shows,
fantastic, and I'm not sayingthat what we're doing is better,
but but I think it's.
But I want to try and make itbetter and not even just to be
like ah well, this is better.
It's just because our, ourindustry, our culture, our

(18:13):
community.
I want it, I want it to bebetter, and I think shows like
this push the boundary forwardand can and can represent our
community in ways thatindividuals can't or lobbying
groups can't, and I just thinkthey can have an impact, and so
I want to.
I want to do the best thing,and that's hard.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Why?
Why TV?
Why show?
Why show?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Um, look, there's other ways to do that.
There are other ways to do that.
I I mean.
Why a podcast?
Why social media?
Why any of these things?
Humans?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well.
So I had a Robbie from bloodorigins on the other week, yeah,
and he said when he firststarted he's like man, I want to
be, I want to be on TV, I wantto have a TV show.
And then he realized everyonewas doing it.
This is America, it's a littlebit different.
No one's doing it here.
A lot of differences.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Like, why, why TV?
Why TV?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
What do you want to get out of it?
Do you mean why TV, or whyYouTube, or why video?
What's the question becausethey're different questions.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Why?
Why TV?
So last season you just didYouTube.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, do you think it's to reach a wider audience,
or so part of it's a wideraudience, part of it is a
personal challenge, but part ofit's also what do it?
So it when you want to growyour platform or grow your brand
or grow what you're doing.

(19:41):
There's different pieces thatneed to work in synergy in order
to allow that to happen.
One of them is finances.
So the second that you get youhire a cameraman or a sound guy
or an editing person or aproducer, whatever it is those
costs start to rise and you needto find a way to offset those
costs.
Either the show needs to makemoney or you need to go, you go

(20:03):
into deficit, or you've just payfor it out of your own pocket
and just that's the expense andyou're willing to do that.
Or you get things like sponsors, and once you get sponsors
involved, then that adds anotherpiece that has different kind
of gears and different teeththat need to move in a certain
way or certain frequency.
So when you get sponsors on,they want to like a TV.
Like TV is attractive tosponsors.

(20:24):
And what's interesting andfascinating that I've found is
that, like Foxtel will have acertain audience and a certain
size and demographic, andYouTube has a different size and
demographic as well.
But there's still somethingabout a show on like a network
that's kind of feels different,even though it may be better, it

(20:47):
may have a wider reach it maynot, but to some people and to
some sponsors it feels different, and that might be because it
is, and Foxtel being the network, yeah, foxtel being the network
, or Netflix or Stan or Binge orwhatever it is, but yeah, in
order to.
Well, I mean, it's differentfor different audiences too and

(21:10):
in different states.
So like, for instance, you lookat media, it's a great example
of starting on like abroadcasted network and then
eventually moving off thatbecause they didn't need that,
because they found that theycould operate in the YouTube
space alone or their ownproprietary website and be
successful, and so they movedaway from it.
They didn't need it.

(21:30):
A show like the Huntsman, that'sjust completely juvenile and
has very small audience.
We don't have that luxury, andYouTube isn't screaming and just
saying, oh, let's just throwall this audience at you.
Oh, yeah, you want audiencesfrom here, from here, yeah,
we'll give them.
To.
Like, it's really hard to growon YouTube and you can do all

(21:52):
the best content you want and itdoesn't necessarily seem to
change sometimes.
And then certain kinds ofcontent will grow.
Like if I did a headshotmontage of thermal Fox headshots
, I know I could get 300,000views if I wanted to, but I
don't want to do that.
I don't think that's helpful.
So I'm trying to do somethingthat I think is wholesome, that

(22:18):
I think is helpful, and thereare platforms like Fox style
that could help us achieve thatby increasing our audience and
giving us exposure.
It's a long, weird answer.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Like I said, sometimes my guests don't give
me much opportunity to talk.
What did you expect?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
to have a fellow podcaster on.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I want to circle back , because you said something
that I remember Surprising.
You said that you're so muchmore thoughtful now.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Hunter, not a shooter no, I didn't say that You're a
hunter more than a shooter.
I said I said maybe I did saythat I probably did.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
you said what do you feel you want to say in that?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I, I, I, I, I shoot because it's a big.
It facilitates the hunting, soI'm a rifle hunter because it
facilitates.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I started off shooting and progressed into
hunting.
Yeah.
And I've said it 3000 times thatthe stages of being a hunter
and it starts with being ashooter.
Now there's a friend of minewho is heavily in the hunting
scene, does amazingly well,highly successful, wasn't a

(23:31):
shooter and he went awayrecently and some shots
presented that were quick or alittle bit uneasy, a bit
uncomfortable, longer range andpersonal pressure on himself
probably, but he didn't.
He told me that he didn't dowell in those situations and

(23:52):
I've found that, like when Itravel, I generally would say to
people Australians are bettershooters and hunters than
overseas clients because we do alot more shooting From the
vehicle, moving animals, youknow, rabbits, foxes, things
like that smaller targets,random distances, yeah, and I
feel like if you miss that, youmiss a lot of fundamentals of

(24:14):
hunting and shooting or ofshooting and then you move into
the hunting stage and if you'veskipped that, well then you
might be working out how to findanimals and things, but you're
missing a lot of the key entrylevel things.
Sure.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, that makes all those same.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Shooting from any rest.
You've got tree, no tree, longgrass, backpack, things like
that, like as a shooter, youknow I'm at the range, I was at
the range initially or whatnotand you do those things, some
range as you can, some range asyou can't.
Others like you, just have tosit on the bench, but then you
know if you're on the top of theute and the ute's moving fast,

(24:50):
and then you pull up and you'vegot split seconds to take the
shot and things like that, and Ithink I've seen a lot of people
that well, not a lot.
I've seen a few people on theside where they've missed that
shooting thing and they sort ofnearly got to go back to basics.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I mean I find it fascinating that in places like
Victoria you can go and get yourfirearms license and go to your
test and then get your PTA andget your first rifle.
You can go buy a 30 caliberrifle and then you can find
yourself in the middle of thehigh country, having never fired
a rifle before, with a gun, aloaded gun, pointing at a deer.

(25:27):
I just think that's that's Good.
Insane or bad, insane, terrible, terrible, like dangerous, and
I don't.
It makes my mind melt tounderstand how that can happen
or why we allow it.
And I know some people will bescreaming at me saying like the

(25:49):
last thing we need is more redtape and legislation and rules
and requirements.
But but firstly, it's far moredangerous than I think people
realize and secondly, itproduces poor hunters.
And part of it is what you'realluding to is that it's not

(26:09):
helping people understand how toshoot.
Like no one taught me how toshoot, people taught me how to
pass a firearms license test,but that has actually nothing to
do with shooting.
It has everything to do withfirearm safety, firearm storage,
but not using laws aroundfirearms, but it has nothing to
do with actually learning how tofire a firearm successfully and

(26:32):
achieve a goal of whatever itis hitting a target, hitting a
deer, whatever.
I just find that absolutelyfascinating.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I want to draw parallels between that and sort
of getting your car licenseCorrect.
Where to get your license, youneed to go and do a test on a
computer for your elves and thenyou drive with your parents.
It's in New South Wales, I'mnot sure how it applies
otherwise, but you sort of likeI grew up driving the farm, so
that stuff sort of happenedeasily.
But for those in the city Ithink like their first

(27:04):
opportunity to actually drivinga vehicle was on a main road or
something.
Although they've got theirparents with them or guardian or
whatever.
They've got someone with them.
And then in a firearm situation, you're suggesting a situation
where that hasn't happened.
And like that didn't happen tome, I had someone take me under
their wing, rod and good familyfriend of mine, and taught me
the basics of safety and how toshoot shooting cans, targets,

(27:27):
moving your way up to animals,but that doesn't happen for
everyone and I think this wholeCOVID thing happened.
And then there was a huge pushof our license hunters and that
grew but the basic part gotskipped.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, this is what concern that I have in general
about the hunting community, andwhy I'm such a huge advocate
for clubs in general, is insociety in general, we're seeing
the breakdown of communities.
It's got bitten on the bum by abum.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Did it hurt Did it feel good, no, not good.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But so we're seeing the breakdown of communities,
and when you break downcommunities, you're breaking
down some of the core fabric ofsociety and the way that we
learn, the way that we'reaccountable, the way that we
grow, and so people have to findalternative avenues to to feel
that gap in some situationswhere it's necessary and it
could be reading a book, itcould be reading a magazine, or

(28:20):
or like watching a YouTube clip,whatever but there are some
things that just shouldn't begiven over to that territory,
like learning how to fire afirearm.
Like don't, if you're, ifyou're wanting to learn how to
fire a firearm, don't go watch abunch of YouTube videos.
Well, let me rephrase thatDon't only do that.
Go like, go find someone, go toa range and like what's

(28:44):
something that they might beable to do?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Oh, like what's something a beginner hunter
could probably do to.
Oh.
I don't know a little bit, Idon't know what?
Do you know anything?
I do know some things.
I'll bring it up.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You could join a hunting club, that's not what I
was referencing.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's not all about you, chris.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Like did she just set me up?

Speaker 5 (29:05):
No, it's a good book.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh what?
No, I was.
Well, this is a, this is agreat, that's a great point.
Okay, you were thinkingselfishly.
I was thinking selfishly, howgood that you, you, what you
should do and I encourage allnew find someone and I was like,
yeah, all, yeah, I was thinkingyou should join a club.
Well, so first of all, youshould join the Australian
Hunters Club because you getdiscounts on guides and using

(29:30):
guides and and Doing workshopsand education courses is
incredibly important and I'vesaid this for a long time.
That's why I made Hunting TripsAustralia, because I think
every new hunter should theirfirst hunt should be with a
guide, and I think that you canshave years off your hunting
Journey be a progression byspending a day or two with a

(29:53):
guide and it's tiny littlethings that you'll learn and
it's huge big things and it'slike pointing in the dirt and
saying that's a print and it'sgoing in this direction and it's
this fire part, because it'sthis and what I just stuff like
you can't learn online.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
So what have you learned this?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
What if I?
Well, so I've re, so I'm gonnaput my foot in it and say I've
relearned something, which isactually not true, because you
can't relearn something justmeant you never learned it in
the first place, although I'veclaimed that I've learned this
and I've told people that I'velearned this and I've told
people to learn this, and so I'man absolute liar and I'm happy
to say that you should, prettymuch guaranteed, always Check

(30:36):
the zero on your rifle beforeyou're hunting, especially if
you've driven somewhere,somewhere new, especially if
you're going after, like, ananimal that's important, or a
trophy or or it's.
It's not just like going andshooting a bunny.
Like if there's gravitas that'ssitting behind the hunt and
it's important, you shoulddefinitely go and zero your

(30:57):
rifle, even if you spend a lotof times siding it in and making
sure you're our most good,because it's important, because
things happen and you can do all.
He's a great example.
You can do all the right thingsyou can have.
You know, spend that timesiding it in.
You can make sure you've gotgreat rings on your rifle
holding your scopon.

(31:18):
You can put it in a like ahunting bag in a soft shell case
, that's in a hard case that,like all that stuff, and it can
still get knocked out by twoinches which, yet at a hundred,
at a hundred which at 300?
Like that's a lot, that's amiss, that's a clean miss in

(31:39):
some situations.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
A bug in my ear.
Yeah, and that's important.
What have you learned on thistrip to remember?
Um, the Podcasting at nightwith lights tricky don't have
dodger.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
This fantasy is like wouldn't it be so cool if you
did this?
And now he's just like Mine.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'll make full time on this one getting smashed on
the neck.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
We'll come back tomorrow in daylight hours.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I've been reminded I haven't done the filming side of
it for a little while, likeI've done a lot of hunts in the
last few years where it wasClients and friends or whatnot
but not the cameraman, and Iforget what it's like carrying
those extra people around and soquite often shots present
quickly.
Mm-hmm.
That doesn't work for filming.

(32:27):
No.
So today, for example, we werein some really thick I say thick
, it's a.
It's a really cool part of theproperty where it's very thick
timber, it's very visible.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
There's no undergrowth, it's just trunks,
yeah, and then canopy yourcorridors to shoot through, but
they're slim corridors, yeah,glimpses fleeting glimpses of
animals and things and theground has six inches of crunchy
leaf cover.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, I've had a bit of rain up here in the last two
weeks, but this last week hasbeen quite warm still cornflakes
, everything's really loud andFour of us walking through there
Hmm.
It's loud, yeah, and we had thewind in our favor and we were
still just seeing things running.
Yeah, and these guys.
There came a point where wewere like, right out to the heat

(33:13):
of the day, I was like 130 orsomething.
Yeah, they pulled me up.
They're like oh, we think thatwe should probably change our
game plan and maybe I was likeah look Okay, I kind of like I
had a goal, like I wanted to getto a certain point.
We weren't there yet, and andDutch likes his- goals and I do
like to achieve a goal and I waslike, yeah, like that's, it's a

(33:35):
bit.
Can't we just stay and shootthose deer over there?
Yeah, you were like on cameraand I just happened to glance
across and Someone asked me.
A couple of courses ago youtold us to use our binoculars,
but you don't use yours veryoften and I don't.
In that situation, at thesituational, in that tight cover

(33:59):
with little glimpses, I'mlooking for inconsistencies.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, you're better off to find the initial point of
data from like a flick of anarrow.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
And that's what this was, exactly what this was.
I literally saw and it lookedto me like you think a woody
woodpecker Hanging off the sideof a tree, pecking at the tree.
So I could see a tree and Icould see this thing on the side
of it.
Yeah, moving Consistently.
I was like just flagged, myattention is inconsistent, yeah,
with odd yeah.
And it was woody woodpecker.

(34:27):
I would have wanted to look atit.
Anyway, why can't we go andshoot those three, do you?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
know what's interesting.
I'm not just saying this tosave face, but literally like a
minute or two Before that, as wewere having this conversation,
I saw what I thought was a flickof a bird.
Like you like up movement andyour eyes are immediately drawn
to it, and I was like I shouldflicker for bird.
And I didn't, because we arehaving a conversation.
I didn't bother looking up andI just put it out of my mind.

(34:52):
But that was like the flick ofan ear.
Yeah, it was like the white ofthe inside of the dough, is it
looks like a magpies something?
Yeah, just like a little bird,like a little fincher, a little
sparrow or something.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
So, and then yeah, confirmation with bainos.
But we were just lucky.
At that point we had strongwind in our face.
It was there only with ahundred and fourteen or
something.
Yeah, they're across a littlegully.
It was quite windy, so therewas a lot of noise between us
and them.
Yeah, so we were lucky andyou'll have to watch the episode
to see what happens.
Yeah no one might make theediting floor Look at, might not

(35:25):
?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
we'll see this is what's tricky about this is
what's tricky about content ingeneral Is she thought you've
got a 24-minute show and you'vegot you need to Run a story that
has an arc and you've got a lotof content and a lot of it
doesn't make it in general.
But then also you can overstimulate people.
You can.
You can take people on too manyemotional rollercoaster yeah.

(35:47):
I'm just trying to really I'mnot trying to over stimulate
people when you say arc, youmean that arc, one arc like that
.
You don't want to go?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
that no, you just show to dive off at the end.
Yeah, exactly, you want it tobe on the rise.
That that shot was not on therise.
That's definitely on the bottomof the arc, but it was.
Yeah and it was just.
It was a good reminder to me.
I nearly need to guide and hunta little bit differently with
you guys, it's a what you want.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's really fascinating, interesting that
you say that that's you know,and I knew that you would be
like this, in that you wouldhave that presence of mind and
realization, because when we'vehunted with other people in the
past, they've they just in guidemode and they're like I'm just
guiding and you're like, andthey, and some and often a guide

(36:34):
, will take control becausethat's their job and they want
to take control and they need totake control.
What is it for?
Varying degrees depending onwho the client is and what
they're doing.
But it's like that's not whatwe need.
We don't need you to control.
In fact, we need to control itto some degree.
We need to tell you when toslow down, we need to tell you
when we need to do a shot fromhere or when we need to explain

(36:55):
something or whatever it is.
What we need you to do is likegive us the best opportunity to
get on an animal, and there'sbeen times in the past where a
guide has pretty much dictatedthe whole episode, because and
and we, because we're only evensee that we was sitting season
one last year we didn't knowreally what we were doing and

(37:16):
and, to be honest, even Just forairs, only been towards the end
of the cameraman, towards theend of that season.
There were times where it wasjust just me and I just didn't
feel confident enough to takethe reins.
And Because the guys are soconfident, they have to be, they
have to get you on.
I have to do something very,very difficult and get you on to
an animal.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, and it's very difficult when you got four
people crunching through thebush it is, it's noisy, but I
like I can.
I don't know, I have a bit ofunderstanding of those things
and I can see like ifsomething's going to present and
I'm going to tell you something, I'll say.
I guess we're going to tell himwe're going to do this, yeah,
and then that's what you see onfilm.
So it is.
We're not repeating stuff,we're not making scenes up no no

(37:57):
.
All I'm doing is saying Cameron, I need you here to.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
In fact, some of what we are consciously trying to do
, something that we'reconsciously trying to do in this
season is try and actuallybreak that third wall down even
more and just be like we'remaking a show.
People know we're making a show.
We're not going to hide thefact that we're making a show,
because you can very much filmit in such a way and like, for

(38:23):
instance, meet Eater would be anexample of this where, if you,
if you become so deep, you canget to the point where you're so
deeply engaged in the hunt thatyou feel like you're just a
person in the hunt and there'sno cameras, and that's great,
but that there's a lot of workthat's required, a lot of faking
, not faking, a lot of a lot ofangling I'm going to say

(38:45):
positioning, to make sure thatyou can feel that way.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Can you ever watch TV again the same?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Me?
No, not at all.
I can't listen to music.
The same as well.
I mean, I have a background inaudio engineering as well and I,
whenever I hear music, I justhear.
I hear the components, I heardifferent instruments, I hear
how they're mixed, how they'repanned, I hear a killing, I hear
the little interesting effects.
There's different theories ofmusic.
I don't hear music.
I hear none of that.
You just hear that's not what Ihear.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I love music.
It's in the background.
Don't ask me what I listen to,because I don't care as long as
there's something in thebackground.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Mainly Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
No, but I, yeah, no, I don't.
I don't pick up on those thingsin the background.
I remember like doing theprevious podcast where Matt
would you know he was the samehe would pick up on things and
edit them out and I was like, oh, did you like, did you need to?
He's like, yeah, I can reallyhear it.
And I was like eh, no one withthe untrained ear couldn't.
But you know, the audio qualitywas great.

(39:42):
What was produced so?
Yeah.
No, I've had.
I don't know what else I'velearned.
I probably learned that.
No, I can't bag you right yetshe can no.
Hiding emotions is tricky.
Hiding.
Are you hiding your?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
emotions.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Frustration, yeah yeah, beingvisibly disappointed that you
miss stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
What's interesting as well is there's this weird and
I think all humans do these, butespecially in a high pressure
situation is I'm trying to like,regulate my.
You know the same regulatingyour emotions for a number of
different reasons partly becauseyou need to regulate your
emotions as a human being to bestable and productive and all
that kind of thing.
But also part of it's like Idon't want to come across as a

(40:32):
silk and I don't want them tosee me as a silk.
Therefore, I'm going to managemy emotions in a certain way,
even if I'm not being so key.
Part of it's like I know Dodgeis disappointed in me.
I'm disappointed in me and Ican see that he's managing his
emotions.
It's just so complicated andweird.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I wasn't doing very well at managing it.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
No, you do.
I do it through humans.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
As I say, you use humor to yeah, which is it's
like when someone says, oh, Ihate you.
It doesn't Emoji, it doesn'ttake away from what you've said,
it just makes you feel likeyou've said it in a lighter way.
Yeah, and yeah there was aquiet drive back.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
All I was thinking is just let time pass, chris.
Like just let time pass, timeheals all wounds.
Just let it pass, and sureenough, you know, this afternoon
we were sitting in the riverhaving a good time.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, that was a good chill out session, it was great
, it was hot.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And then afterwards all the boxes got ticked real
quickly, like you had, like thecleanest.
Like you said, we had a mission.
I'll even say it so you can.
If you want to watch it, youcan go check it out.
We wanted to shoot a kid goat,specifically a kid goat, because
we want to cook a certain dish,and we made the time this

(41:52):
afternoon to go and do it and itwas like we're going to go do
this and then we're going to sitin glass dear for the afternoon
because tomorrow we're going tocook that goat.
And Jordy was up and was goingto do it and we needed to get
sub 100 because we wanted aheadshot and it just was like
easy 43.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
43.
43 meters.
Yeah, it was awesome, Made ithappen and it just yeah and it
just happened, and sometimesthat's what happens.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It just happens and that's what happened that was
good, yeah, and this place isspecial as far as numbers of
goats, it's silly.
Silly billies.
It's silly Like when you saidwe've got, yeah, we've got goats
, I was like okay, yeah, okay,there's like a lot of goats,
background wise, obviously.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Chris and I did a episode on his show last year
and he rang and said we weretalking about something randomly
.
We speak pretty regularly andit was you're interested in
doing an episode this season.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I said yeah, cool, Because the episode that we did
last season was kind of like athrow together it was.
It was like I was, we weregoing to be outside of.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Sydney Two episodes into one.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, but not even really Like it was into one trip
.
It was interesting that wemanaged to get enough of of the
episode with you in it to makean episode, because we were
literally we spent the majorityof that trip with Alex hunting
goats and that was hectic funand we allocated a day less than
a day.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
So I think you got to my place like 1030.
And it was probably 130 or likeone o'clock.
So by the time we got to thehunting area and we were home
before dark.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, it was crazy.
Anyway, so that's, that was theexperience that we had.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, that was the first, first episode.
But then he came to me and saidyou want to do this and
background on this property.
We're on now.
I'm calling it accurate huntsHQ, but it's this GPS
coordinates for anyoneinterested.
Yeah, it's 100 degrees left ofnowhere near your business.
Nanya, nanya, nanya.

(43:50):
It's next to Nanya, it's nextto Nanya National Park.
I'll give you the address ifyou book a hunt out here.
Yeah, you'll.
You'll figure that pretty good.
But it's a, it's a magic placeand this place didn't come about
by accident.
It came about through years ofdoing accurate hunts the way we
have.

(44:10):
And then someone approached meand said hey, we've got this,
are you interested in doing someguiding on it?
And I jumped at it.
And now we have sole access andwe've locked up this property
just for our own purposes, andthat that just doesn't happen.
No, situations don't happen andit's too good to knock back.
So we did it Now, turning a fewhours from Sydney, which makes

(44:31):
it great.
But what makes it really goodis its abundance of animals and
extremely light hunting pressure.
Correct Cause, it's just us.
Yeah.
It's just me and you've seenthat today.
With just even the way theother animals react after a shot
, it's like oh, what was that?
Yeah, oh, this one grassed inhere, yeah, yeah, or other

(44:54):
animals turn up that you didn'tknow were there.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, and you've it's.
It's got just gorgeous terrain,interesting terrain.
It could be easy, it could behard.
A diverse terrain Like whatI've been conscious of as we've
hunted these last two days isputting myself in the mindset of
someone who's doing your coursefor the first time.
I've been thinking, and I thinkI only said to you on the first

(45:16):
day I'm like geez, this is justlike the best place to do a
hunting course, like if I wasnew to hunting and I wanted to
learn and I and I knew all thethings I know.
Now I'd be like, oh, mygoodness, this is awesome, like
it's.
I guess we'll probably havethat experience.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
But well and the tricky part is trying to manage
their expectations, because theyleave here and I need to
explain to them.
What you've just experienced isnot is pretty special yeah.
It's not the norm.
Yeah, like I've been doing thisfor 10 years, 12 years, 15,
whatever.
It's the most amount of goatsI've seen on a property.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
And it's like, which is incredibly forgiving, right,
that you can go and you can.
You can say the pressure is off, completely off If you, if you,
you know if you're going to betaking an animal and we can take
so much time, it's ridiculous.
We can set up and not do shots.
And look, I actually think thatthat is probably if, if we, if

(46:09):
I was to run a hunting course,one of the things that I would
really specify right up the batis you don't need to take the
like, let's set up for a shot.
If you're not 100% confident,let's not do that shot.
And I would and I'd rather youdo that three or four times,
which can't happen when you'rein, like a state forest and
you're seeing a deer fleeting.
You've got to take that chanceand learn the hard way.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
One of the things we do in that.
So we force a situation wherewe'll go hunting, and sometimes
I do this, sometimes I don't,like I always do the second part
, but the first part is I'llempty their magazine, not tell
them, and you hear a click.
Well, I want them to go throughthe process and not know
they're not shooting it, becauseI want them to still have the
nerves.
Cause, if you tell them aboutit, then if you tell them about

(46:58):
it, then they they oh, we'rejust practicing.
So the second part is we gothrough a process If they know
if I can't hide it, sometimesyou can't hide it I think
everyone's going to know it now.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Everyone's going to be checking it out.
Just giving away my secrets,you're going to be paying for
those secrets.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
No, but the second part is we dry fire.
So yes, that's we'll.
We'll set up on an animal,we'll work on the rest and
there's thousands of restoptions.
So whatever they've got,whatever I've got, we use
whatever is available the treebranch, whatever ground.
Bipods, tripods, aim at thegoat.
Yeah.
Take your time, yeah, and thenI'll ask questions what's your

(47:37):
heart rate doing right now?
What can you hear?
What?
can you see?
What do you feel?
And then we'd like to talkabout it, because and these are,
we're talking.
You know, breeze in facesituations, goats, preferably a
hundred or sub, yeah, and youcan still communicate, you don't
have to talk loud.
Yeah, just lean in and whisperyeah and then go through the

(47:58):
motions bolt up, bolt back, boltforward, bolt down, comfortable
squeeze the trigger.
When you're ready, pretend likeyou've shot it, do that three
times and then shoot it.
Well sometimes we walk away.
Yeah, that's done.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's the part of the lesson, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's great, you don't have to shoot it, that's
so good.
I mean, even like this issomething I still take to remind
myself because I sometimesforget it and it's such a little
thing.
He's like you're holding therifle, you're in arrest, and I
find myself sometimes just like,because there's so much
adrenaline and some like, you'reso bound, you're like grip
white knuckles and you can feelthe tension, and then you

(48:38):
instantly relax and all of asudden the rifle feels so much
better, You're in so much morecontrol and I often I actually
will often look at my knucklesto see if they're white and then
, and then I'll visibly you'lleven maybe even see me video
videos visibly relaxing me, likeno, I mean like, and then, okay
, now we're shooting.
And it's one of those thingsthat I liken it to surfing.
When you're learning to surfand actually properly surf, when

(48:59):
you're cutting in on a wave,the opportunity that you have to
learn how to do that is sosmall.
It's like a half a second whereyou have to then turn into a
wave and you have to basicallyrepeat that a bunch of times
until you can figure it out.
And hunting is the same, Likewhen you're in that moment where
there's a lot of pressure andyou're looking at an animal and
you really want to get thatanimal.

(49:20):
You don't have much brain spaceto bandwidth, mental bandwidth,
to be like am I comfortable?
Because even even you say itsaid to me today are you
comfortable?
And I was like, yes, I'mcomfortable, but what yes means
is I think I'm comfortableenough with the adrenaline I
have at the moment, which isprobably.
The answer is probably no.

(49:40):
You're probably.
You can probably do a lotbetter, you can probably get a
lot more stable, if you want,with the situation provided.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I'm confident, I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
So I think that running a course like that,
where you have the opportunityand multiple opportunities, to
dry fire on an animal, is great.
Great for the goat too.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, thank goodness I thought there's people gonna
shoot me.
We ran this course severalyears ago, back end of COVID,
during COVID even, and then itgot shut down because of COVID
again, but we lost our property.
That we're doing on the peoplesold.
There's a moth on themicrophone.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, no, he's gone, he's alright.
Probably sounds better than youProbably Less wingy.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
And I lost my goat property.
Yeah.
And A few people said, oh, I'lljust run the course.
I said you can't run a beginnerhunting course without hunting
yeah, without like.
You can hunt just in the bush,but unless there's animals.
Yeah.
And I also think it's very hardto run it without killing
Correct and that's very hard todo.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
So I do that Without killing.
There was some properties.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I had where there was hunting opportunities, but it
was hunting Like you're like maygo and not get anything.
Yeah, you can't do that in aneducation course.
Yeah.
So what we actually did?
Not on this property, but ourprevious one.
We went and shot a goat thenight before the course, so we
had one, just in case it didn'tgo to play in the next day, or

(51:03):
bad weather.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And then don't tell me that you set it up on a rock
when you're like no, it was inthe bedroom.
Hey, there's one over theresleeping.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Hey, there's a blind goat, it's still standing there
from this morning we're going toshoot that cataract out of its
face, but I forgot where I wasgoing.
I went on a blind goatconversation Talking about the
necessity of killing.
Things have got to die for theeducation course, and we do two

(51:30):
styles of courses.
We do a group situation wherethe clients are quite often new.
They don't have firearmslicenses.
They might want to try it andsee if they like it and get
their hands dirty.
Well, they might have theirfirearms license but not be
super confident and just want tolearn.
And that's a group setting upto like 10 or 12 people.
Yeah.
And in that course it'simportant to note that those

(51:50):
people don't shoot no firearms.
They're not allowed to bringfirearms.
We do the harvesting on thatcourse, because there's people
who don't have their firearmslicense so we're careful with
they.
Don't handle things, so I goand harvest with them.
They're right next to me andwe're going through that process
, they do everything but pullthe trigger Correct and then as
soon as it's dead, then it flatout into the gutting and things.

(52:10):
But on the other courses, wherethey're one on one, two on one,
it's not four people who don'thave their firearms license,
it's for people who haven't andwant to learn.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
And can I say something that's probably not
obvious to everyone, but, havinginsight into this industry, I
know this to be very, very truethere is a big difference
between going on a guided huntand going on a hunting education
course.
Yes, and I made the assumptionwhen I got into hunting early
that every guided hunt was likean education hunt and the guy

(52:43):
would walk you through theprocess of identifying prints
and learning how to stalk.
And it's just not true.
Most guides I'm going to saymost guided hunts in Australia
are about the guide getting youonto an animal, probably a
trophy or, in some situations, ameat animal, but probably a
trophy.
There are very few.
If you're interested and you'relistening or you're watching,

(53:05):
there are very few huntingcourses in Australia.
Practical hunting courses thereare like, for instance, there
are some guides that do it andsome of them don't even.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I'm not even sure if some of them consciously are
aware of the fact that they'reoffering a course and on the
flip side, I don't think theguides that aren't doing it know
that it's wanted.
Correct.
I assume that someone coming ona guided hunt.
Wants to be guided on a hunt?
Yeah.
They don't want to be taught.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And which is?
It sounds crazy, but like if anew hunter comes to you.
If I was a guide and I'm aSamber guide in Victoria and a
new person called me up and said, oh, I'd like to go on a guided
hunt please, you assume thatI'd be thinking, oh, they want
to learn how to hunt, but that'snot what guides a lot of guides
think.
They just think, oh, you wantme to guide you on to a Samber

(53:55):
stack.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Because clients of the past, if you said, oh, you
know, that'd be like yeah, no,yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I've shot 20 things.
Yeah.
They just there for the trophy,yeah.
So yeah, it's a managingexpectation.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I mean for a lot of them even as well, and I
actually, when we're filmed withguides in the past, I like to
tease it out of them and becausefor a lot of them it's all up
in their heads and they're justlike any hunt.
They're just processing data,they're making little micro
decisions, they're reading theenvironment they're making, and
then that they just.
And so, for instance, I'd behunting with someone like Gordon

(54:28):
from Northeast Experience andyou look at a print and he's
like, oh, there's a print.
And you're like, oh cool, likewhat can you tell me about that
print?
And he's like, oh well, I cantell you that it's.
You know it was made thismorning.
I'm like, how do you know it wasmade this morning?
I know it was made this morningbecause you can see there's a
bit of a blade of grass that'sbeen indented into the print and
it hasn't sprung back up yet.

(54:49):
It will either spring back upor it will wither, and that's
how you can tell.
And I was like that's reallyuseful.
No, but like he wouldn't havetold me that, yes, just off the
back and said, hey, look at that.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
From a, from a guided point of view.
That's not important.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
No, he's just like he knows what that data is telling
him and he will make aninformed decision regarding it.
I don't, I don't actually needto know it as the guest, as the
client, to be successful in hisguiding.
He doesn't offer education.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
The courses we do with medium experience.
People are actually harderbecause they know a little bit
of information.
Can you tell?
Us the stories.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
No you already told me some stories.
Tell me which one.
You were telling me a story aswe were going.
Just give me a reference andI'll remember it.
The kid the kid when we'regoing after the kid.
Yeah.
You said there was two peoplewith you.
One person.
I'm not even going to go there.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Josh, if I have to spell it out for you which one?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
No, it's all right, Don't worry about it.
Mate Didn't listen that one,you didn't listen.
No, the client.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Oh, there was that one.
Yeah, that was a great example.
Go with that one.
Well, it was no, I still wantto know what your other one was.
I want chaos, I want to feel.
Feel a fire.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Anyway.
So two clients hunting, and Isaid to one, education Education
, beginner education, guidedcourse.
I said I need you to stay hereand stand still.
We were on the what thesituation was.
We'd spotted three goats infront of us and they were about
180, 200 meters away.

(56:23):
Between us and them was grassand sort of knee height grass, a
bit less, but it was flat, andthey couldn't see us because
we'd just crested over and Ijust spotted them.
But from there, further forward, we're in full visibility.
So I said, because I had onethat was going to shoot.
Next, I said to him you'regoing to come forward with me.

(56:43):
And number two, I need you tostay here Now.
I didn't.
I'll recap that after until therest of it.
So that's what happened.
He stayed there and we movedforward.
Now, in the moving forward webelly crawled that hallway.
I had Cameron tripod and Hunterhad gun and I don't know he's

(57:05):
carrying something else.
He's by and I was on somethingand he, you know, we would sort
of side by side the whole wayand we made a really good stalk
and we got into this log and wewere 70, I think from these
goats.
Two of them were better thanone of them standing, and the
one we wanted to shoot wasbetter.
So what we did was we waited.
You run down the battery.
Yeah.
I'm going to change the battery.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
OK, pause the story.
What a cliff hanger.
What's going to happen next?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
To find out more.
So we'd moved in and we were upon the log.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Number two is behind you.
Number one is up with you,right next to me belly crawled.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
We're at 70.
Better goat was the one wewanted to shot.
We were very calm.
This was our dry fire situation, so it was better than we were
going to shoot it when it wasstanding.
So we were just waiting.
But we dry fired on it a fewtimes and he was very calm,
comfortable.
We had a very good rest.
Yeah.
Pretty heavy gun.
But we had a very good rest onthis log and all of a sudden

(58:01):
goat number three stood up andpinged us Full alert For no
reason, we hadn't changed.
Nothing had changed.
I was like man, that's OK.
Whatever, that's odd, not toomuch of an issue, because we
actually needed to stand up toshoot it.
I said just get ready.
Number three to the left is theone I want to shoot.

(58:22):
It's starting to look alert.
It's not looking at us, butit's looking at the other one,
thinking why you were alert.
So it went to stand up and indoing so it sort of stretched.
They sort of hopped up with itshaunches first, and then, you
know, arch is back.
Arch is back and had a stretchand then stood up pinged us.
I was like we haven't moved.

(58:42):
What's happening?
Yeah, for some reason Is thatmy cologne?
Definitely not, for some reason.
I looked over my shoulder andHunter Number Two was like 10
meters behind us standing up.
I had nothing and I said anyway.

(59:03):
So I just glanced at that andlooked back.
I said shoot them now, they'reabout to run.
Yeah, and he was already on it.
He was comfortable, we'd donethe processes and he perfect
shot.
Yeah, great Dropped it on thespot, Beautiful Shoulder shot
and it, you know, dropped on thespot, rolled over and kicked
and that was the end of it andnothing really happened about.
Oh, mate behind me, immediatelybecause of the situation, we

(59:25):
were all happy and whatnot.
And then we approached the goatand I said to him what are you
doing behind us?
He said, oh, I couldn't see.
So to me, I gave him aninstruction and he disobeyed not
disobeyed, it, didn't listen,whatever.
Yeah, but also to me, I waslike man, you weren't clear
enough with your instructions.
Yeah, correct, Correct.

(59:46):
So it was a learning experiencefor me.
I, in hindsight, and now, sorryto everyone coming in the
future you're going to get aconversation of, I'm going to
ask you to stay here now, andthis is why it's important.
And if you come further forwardand you ruin this opportunity,
we may not get another one.
So I'm going to ask you pleasestay here.
I'll show you the video later.
That's what you're going to get.
But his response was I made itstand up and you shot it.

(01:00:11):
So he sort of created thesituation which, in fairness,
exactly how it happened, justdidn't need to happen that
quickly.
Yeah.
So I learned that and every timewe do one of these courses I
learn yeah, because the veryfirst one we did we use terms
like hunting terms I can't eventhink of any if you can think of
one right now.
That's just normal for your andmy conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
And glassing Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
So we tell we're going to go and learn how to
glass that hill.
And we were going to teach themhow to glass the hill.
What we failed to realize waswe first need to teach them what
the word means.
Yeah, before we teach them howto do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
They're right there and they're like now glass the
hill.
And they're like oh, use mybinoculars to look at the
opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I was supposed to bring.
I left them in the classroom.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So every time we do a course, we learn.
It reminds us to scale back thediscussion, which in turn makes
it longer.
Can stretch the course on, butit sharpens you, Sharpens you,
it does.
It reminds you what you'veforgotten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Where can people go if they want to book a hunt with
you, a guided hunt?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Or a education course .
Inside scoop.
Soon you'll be able to do it onHunting Trips Australia yeah,
huntingtripscomau comau, becausehe doesn't know in the world,
but alternatively to that,accuratehuntscom noAU, and we've
got a pretty extensive website.
You can also buy merchandise onthere.
Because to support what do yousay?

(01:01:33):
What do I have to say?
To keep a show like thisrunning, to keep a show like
this independent, independent weneed money.
This stuff's not free.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
And don't feel bad about asking for that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
It's not asking for money, but there's merchandise
available if you want to looksick and wear some new, some new
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I like that better than your other one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I like this one.
We're running out of light outthere.
A&h hats, accuratehunts hats.
We've got shirts and hoodiestoo, but yeah, so the Hunting
Trips are on there, theeducation course is on there,
short and long.
We have no date sets on thoseat the moment, so the way it
works is you put an inquiry in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, and we'll find something which is the same with
Hunting Trips Australia Doesexpress your interest in coming
along.
Ask questions if you have them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So on, there we've got a brief outline on the
course, the costings, what'sincluded, what's not.
The courses vary in what'sincluded depending on the client
.
Sometimes we do full catering,like we are this trip.
On the bigger courses, that'swhat we offer Because there's 12
or so people.
You can't have 15 people eatingdifferent dinners.
On the smaller courses, weusually provide dinner and

(01:02:42):
that's a game meat based dinner,like tonight.
We had wild pork thingies.
So good.
What were they?
Raps sliders, corn fritters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Anyway, beautiful Chimichurri.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Slow cooked wild pork shoulder it was amazing.
But yes, on the smaller courses, the two on one's, one on one's
.
So we provide dinner and thenthe clients provide their own
lunch and snacks and things.
Yeah.
It's a bit hard to just caterfor two people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Well worth it.
If you're interested, go checkout the websites that we've left
.
I'll put links below if you'rewatching this or listening to
this on the Huntsman.
But you could also be watchingthis or listening to this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
That's right, it's a joint podcast.
Yeah, so you're going to getboth.
Yeah, you're saturated, bothbenefits.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Thanks so much for listening and again, consider
supporting Accurate Hunts bygoing in doing a guided hunt or
a hunting workshop course,education course, or consider
checking out the AustralianHunters Club as well if you're
interested in joining a huntingtrips.
Australia yeah, hunting tripsAustralia.
Australian Hunters Clubaustrianhunterscomau.
If you can get into the websiteDodge cart.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
But that's just dodge , because I have the most simple
password in the world that hiswebsite rejects it every time.
You require at least eightdigits.
I don't want, I just want thefour of God.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
No, you can't triple zero.
That's all I want.
Thank you for being here.
Until next time.
See you then.
On the eighth episode abouthere at Hunts.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Unzip it from the it was hanging outside and unzip it
from the bottom up and you knowthe wrong thing to do.
I think you were saying you andAlex watching it and just
having a career.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Well, if these videos , because his friends filmed it,
more for comedic value.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
Yeah, I knew that you were selling cookies so I'm
like, ok, that's our whole list.
Yeah, good cookies.
No, I don't, we're not talkingto like a very last bit of that.
But anyway, you know, peopletalk different than me,
different accents, differentthings are going on.
People are asking me what myfavorite type of deer to hunt is

(01:04:47):
, what's my favorite caliber.
I'm like just a different.
No, it's is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
That was really hard on the ego that night and we
came across some locals that'swhat I'm going to describe it A
couple of redneck hillbillieswith Four teeth, between the two
year old in the back andeverybody else in the camp, and
I said hello and there wasn'tmuch received from the other end
, but we chopped some trees thatwould cross the track.
I don't know what the etiquetteis there.

(01:05:14):
A big tree across the track.