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Can you imagine planning a hunting trip without the internet? Travel back to the 1980s with us as we recount the meticulous preparations for a New Zealand adventure, relying only on handwritten letters and topographic maps. Our special guest, Lewis Reid, shares his awe-inspiring journey of conquering the South Pacific 15, a testament to overcoming life's toughest challenges. The episode takes a heartfelt turn as we visit Arnhem Land, reflecting on the deep connections formed through hunting, and the surprising reunion that brought old friends back together.

Ever wondered what it takes to survive a flash flood or a grizzly bear charge? Join us for some edge-of-your-seat stories, including a harrowing survival tale from Lansborough Valley and a nerve-wracking bear encounter guided by the unflappable bushman, Bill Chapman. Hear about the profound friendships that develop through shared hunts, like the unforgettable bond with Chris McCarthy, forged amidst blown-away tents and torrential rain. Ted Simpson also drops by with his distinctive insights, adding layers of camaraderie and humor to our conversation.

Experience the rugged wilderness like never before as we discuss the irreplaceable role of horses in remote hunting terrains and the intricacies of proper shoeing techniques. We also touch upon the sentimental value of taxidermy trophies, preserving the legacy of hunts for future generations. From the ease of bagging a hog deer stag to the meticulous process of caping your first deer, our tales are filled with memories, milestones, and the uncharted adventures that make hunting a lifelong passion. Tune in for an episode brimming with unforgettable hunts and the profound connections they foster.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Music.
I haven't seen anything like itin all my life and I believe
that was probably the singlemost important factor that made
me want to become a trophyhunter.
Me and another fellow werecamped in under a rock ledge,
sort of bivouac and shelteringfrom bad weather that was coming

(00:29):
in and a flash flood ordownpour on the open tops above
us create a wall of water andcome down this dry gully and
washed us both away at 10o'clock at night and I know I
lost $5,000 worth of gear andI'll never forget it for the
rest of my life.

(00:49):
That bear he stood up on hisback legs and let out the
biggest almighty roar you'veever heard and he was slashing
at fresh air with his claws.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome back to another episode of Accurate
Hunts a life outdoors.
We are outdoors tonight andit's a pretty dang good outdoors
.
It certainly is I don't know ifyou can hear it through the
microphones, but we've got birdschirping and crickets going and

(01:26):
all sorts of things.
At least it's not mozzies.
No, it's a good time of yearfor no mozzies, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Here, we are middle of winter and I've got my shorts
on.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I live in long pants, but you live in shorts, and
it's been particularly cold thisweek.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, it has been a bit cool of a morning but uh,
yeah, days aren't too bad.
But no, I think we hit 30 30today yeah, it's supposed to
warm up next few days up to 30or 33, 34 well, I better let you
know who I'm talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
This is lewis reed.
First met lewis when we workout was about seven or eight
years ago yeah, at least leastby chance through the.
Uh, I just said no mozzies andI got bitten by one.
It was at the Expo, maybe itwas the first time we met and
then we headed up to your house,or was that after Uh went up to
?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
the farm up to Lebarque and then up to Barraba,
where we live.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
and yeah, yeah, hung out for little bit, but then I
haven't seen you for a few years.
By chance ran into you up hereat.
I better also tell you where weare.
We're in the middle of ArnhemLand.
It's a pretty special place.
It's actually my 10-yearreunion for being up here.
I was up here with someoneLewis had met as well, but Larry
Wysoon, which is MrWhitetailail and Jerry Brasher

(02:47):
as well, was up here for thetrip and we headed up to a
little town called Bullman andthat was my first experience in
the NT hunting buffalo, otherthan a holiday previous to that.
But it was pretty cool toreturn.
Just you know, we're in thatsame sort of area now a couple
hours past there, but to return10 years nearly to the week from

(03:08):
that, yeah, to come up here fora hunt.
This is my fourth trip sincethen, but let's see a nice
little reunion.
But I ran into lewis up hereand just happened to be helping
at camp and working his way uphere mid guiding season.
I'm up here with some clientsand big country safaris big
country safaris, and I'll tellyou what it's not small country

(03:30):
no, it's over a million, truemillion acres yeah, of
concession access, endless of,uh, just unexplored country here
, really.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
And yeah, we're still breaking out into new country,
really.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And yeah, we're still breaking out into new country.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
How much do I owe you for your book?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
We're mid-recording an episode here.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, you might as well get in on it now, come here,
come here.
Yeah, you're in it now, comehere.
70 bucks.
It is Well for those that areasking yeah, we'll get to that
later.
You gotta, I got my microphoneon my chest so you might have to
talk close, but the camera'sthere.
This is Ted Simpson.
Ted and I met nearly ten yearsago nine years ago.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, nearly ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
In the middle of BC on a moose hunt and that's a
story for another time.
I'll try and catch him whilewe're in Darwin, but he just
politely interrupted us to ask aquestion.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's a good thing about hunting, though, is all
the people you meet from aroundthe world.
It's what makes huntingworthwhile and just fulfills
your life and broadens your mind, and, yeah, there's more to it
than just hunting an animal,isn't it?
It's the adventure and theexperiences.

(04:45):
Yeah, the killing is extra.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
It really is.
It's just a small fraction ofit.
Just a small part Righto, youcan get out now.
Thank you, 70 bucks Aussie orUS.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, whatever you like .

Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, that's all right.
Anyway, where were we Ten backup here, ran into lewis.
Now, the other reason I wantedto talk to you about lewis was
lewis has written a book and Ihaven't told him this yet, but I
read it pretty heavily and youall know I don't read, but I
mostly looked at the photos andI set myself a goal to try and

(05:24):
finish off my South Pacific 15.
Lewis has done the SouthPacific 15, wrote a book about
it and it's called I Did it myWay and I want to talk to you
about what it meant to do ityour way and what you mean by
that.
And then I want to talk to youabout some of the animals and
trips.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I just love hunting and I love adventure and
I didn't set out to do the 15,it was just something that was
work in progress.
The further I got, I suddenlythought.

(06:01):
And then when I got MurrayThomas's book what is it?
South Pacific Trophy Hunterwrote in the late 80s that
inspired me to continue on and,yeah, two days short of 23 years
, I finally completed it myself,and all self-guided, and yeah,

(06:25):
it a long journey.
You know, I reared a family atthe same time, run property, run
a farm, run a, run our beefcattle farm and navigated
drought.
So my life was sort of ebbs andflows with the hunting and,
yeah, that's why I probably tookthat amount of time.

(06:46):
But yeah, I wouldn't swap itfor anything, it was just it was
and not about getting all theanimals either.
It was more about challengingmyself and the adventure and I
just live for adventure and someof the places I've been are

(07:06):
awesome.
Like you said, the people wemeet, yeah, exactly, Continue to
reconnect with over the years.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
That's right.
Where did the journey intoshooting and firearms begin for
you?
Was that a family thing?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah well that's an interesting one because, like
our family, have been farmers orbeef cattle producers all their
life, and my father, he didn'treally know one end of a gun
from another, and I was blessedto have the parents that I had,
though I just loved them so much.

(07:40):
And then it was probably twocousins of mine that lived in
the same area at Woodenbong thathad a big influence on me
shooting.
They were into rifles andwalking the ridges shooting
kangaroos those days and Ijoined them and then it

(08:01):
progressed onto dingoes.
And yeah, obviously I read afew stories in Sporting Shooter
about deer hunting and andwanted to hunt a deer.
So those days it was verysecretive.
There wasn't a lot ofinformation on deer hunting and
those that knew kept it secret.

(08:22):
And so me and two mates,neville Tyler and Mike Welsh, we
decided to pack up and go toNew Zealand for our first ever
deer hunt in 1984, which is 40years ago.
And yeah, so that started it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
How do you even pick a spot in New Zealand?
I want to circle back to NewZealand.
We'll leave that.
That's a whole topping initself.
But you mentioned thereSporting Shooter magazine and I
know we spoke while we were incamp here.
You had a good friend andsomeone you connected with just
passed recently.
Yeah, Heavily connected to thatNick Harvey.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I wrote articles for Sporting Shooter
over the years and as a kid Iactually sent him a question for
the question and answer sectionof the magazine and just always
had an affinity with thatmagazine.
I wholly respected the man andI probably would agree that he's

(09:19):
the world's greatest gun writerthat's ever lived.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It was Craig Boddington, I think, who wrote
that quote.
Yeah, that's right, greatestgun writer's ever lived.
It was.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Craig Boddington, I think, wrote that quote Greatest
gun rider to ever live.
Yeah, and I'd say that's, I'dagree with that as true fact.
And yeah, so those that areworking for Sporting Shooter now
Tony Pizarro, great mates, philSteele, an old rider that they
had and yeah, like Tony, he'sdone over 60 hunting trips to

(09:48):
New Zealand and yeah, I've doneslightly over 50, like I don't
know if I'll catch him, but yeah, it's all been good.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
You're starting to slow up on your New Zealand trip
.
Yeah, a little bit We'll talkabout New Zealand.
I know there's lots of animalsin the book we'll talk about,
but I know there's some NewZealand animals in there that
are very special to you.
And how did that first tripcome up?
Not come about cause you spokeabout that, but how do you plan
a trip in the eighties whenthere's no internet?

(10:18):
You?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
start writing letters .

Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's no forums.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
No, there was no information whatsoever.
Who were you writing to theForest Service?
A ranger in the Forest Serviceover there.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
How do you even find that Well, yeah good question
yeah, how do you find?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
their address.
And so he sent back saying ohyeah, there's a good amount of
deer in the Commenawa range andseeker deer, and last time he
was in there he saw five to sixplus per hour.
So that sounded pretty good tous.
And he drew a mud map on apiece of paper saying fly into

(10:55):
the Oamaru airstrip, cross theriver to the Oamaru hut, hike
one and a half hour, two hoursupstream and then start climbing
for an hour and a half and thenset your camp up and hunt from
there.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And you did that?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, did that.
All we had was a topo map and acompass.
Did you meet him when you got?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
there no, just all by correspondence.
Yeah, and how did you go?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well, I shot my first ever deer there.
It's only a six point seagullstag, but it means as much to me
as any of me top heads still onthe wall there.
Um cost me 150 dollars to get itmounted all those years ago and
here or there over here, and Iwas determined that, um, when I

(11:40):
shot my first deer I could capethe thing out.
So I did a lot of practice onwild goats and stuff and so,
yeah, when I shot my first deerI could cape it out, do a head,
cape the head out.
And I've done that ever since.
Every animal I've shot I alwayscape it out.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Do it yourself yeah.
Did it your way yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm not the fastest caper on earth, but I'm pretty
fussy and take my time and tryto do a good job.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's good, and I think a lot of people coming
into the industry now mightshoot a deer and then go oh,
let's Google how to do that.
And you actually did it theother way.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Learned the skill set first.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, my mate Neville Tyler was on that very first
hunt.
He'd gone to the next step andwhen he shot his first deer, or
first red stag on that trip itwas a scungy eight-point head,
but that was his first deer.
He actually caped his out andhe took the whole ear cartilage
out both sides of the ear, whichyou know.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
For those that have never done it yeah, it's tricky,
it's unreal.
Yeah, you definitely had plentyof time in camp to do that.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
That's right.
How was the weather do?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
you remember?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Oh well, yeah, the North Island, there in the
mountains, can be every bit ascold and ratcheted as down the
southern south island.
So, yeah, we had a woolen bushshirt.
We had stubby shorts, cottonshorts, footy socks, a pair of

(13:17):
work boots and a beanie.
That was our gear.
What was your tent?
Oh, pretty crappy four-man tent.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
There was no mountain house meals or anything back
then, either no, canned foodprobably.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, I can't remember what we took in,
probably a packet of rice and afew bits and pieces.
Ate meat while you were there.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, and that was the first of the ventures over
there Do you remember the restof them just as vividly.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh yeah, well yeah, that's the memories I've got.
Ventures over there.
Do you remember the rest ofthem just as vividly?
Oh yeah, well yeah, um, that'sthe memories I've got.
That's just what has made mylife so special, like, um, even
the unsuccessful hunts you knowI'd to get me to get a good
white tail buck.
Took seven trips to new zealandand, um, I remember every one
of them and yeah, so um.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
For those that don't know, there is whitetail in New
Zealand.
It's a bit of a significantherd of interest to a certain
amount of people.
It needs to be protected.
You were only mentioning today.
You want to go back and justtell me about the 100-year thing
and the original release.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah well, yeah, President Theodore Roosevelt
donated those virginiumwhitetail to New Zealand
Climatisation Society in 1905.
I'm not sure on the exactnumber, but it was only a small
amount like seven, ten or adozen animals were sent out and
a few probably died on thevoyage.

(14:44):
But they released some onStewart Island and some in the
Glen Orkey area north ofQueenstown, and they're well.
I've hunted them a lot of timeson Stewart Island and they're
my most revered species of deerI've ever hunted and I just

(15:07):
found it extremely difficult toget a good buck.
Did you have some close callsLike close?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
chances.
No, you just didn't seeanything.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
My first ever trip to Stuart.
I'd never even seen a deer andthen started to see a few does
and whatnot on subsequent trips.
But it was five trips before Igot a four corn buck and shot
him out of a tree and you know,robin could hear me singing out
from Australia all across theTasman Ocean.

(15:40):
I was so excited and that bucka three point four corn buck
still mounted on the wall athome.
They're like pretty specialmoment.
And then, yeah, yeah, afterseven trips I eventually got a
nine-point buck up in the ReesValley, which is a hundred years
to the year that they werereleased, and pretty special

(16:03):
moment in my life.
You know, this little turkeyhad the opportunity after
President Roosevelt donatedthose deer 100 years earlier.
And here I was looking down ona nine-point buck.
It was a pretty special moment.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I bet he never thought Well, maybe he did,
maybe he knew what he was doing,legacy-wise but I'm going to
say he never thought that anAussie would be over there doing
that 100 years later.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
No, it's unreal.
And um, and and I I've all myall my later life now I've I've
tried to make sure that I canhelp younger people or others um
get into hunting and and um,you know, fulfill their dreams.
If I can help someone achievewhat they want to well, it makes

(16:55):
me feel pretty special.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
You mentioned earlier in the week about you having a
mentor.
It was a guy in New Zealand, Ican't remember his name.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, two mentors, and they're in my book.
The very first one was AlanHarrison.
So Robin and I got married in1982 and we went to New Zealand
on our honeymoon and we wentround both islands, did a bunch
of kilometres in a hire car andwe got to Queenstown and I seen
an ad for a animal gallery runby Alan Harrison.

(17:31):
He didn't mean much to me atthe time, but we went and had a
look and what I saw there andthe stories that he described to
me on his hunts to get thoseanimals that were on his walls I
had never heard anything orseen anything like it in all my
life and I believe that wasprobably the single most

(17:52):
important factor that made mewant to become a trophy hunter.
I just had to.
I just felt like I wanted toexperience some of the stories
that he was telling me that day.
And yeah, so he was my veryfirst mentor as far as hunting

(18:13):
goes.
And there's one thing he alwaysdid tell me, though, in
correspondence.
He said Lewis, whatever you doin your life, always think of
your family first and put themfirst, and then hopefully, if
you do that, they'll help youfulfill your dreams.
I have to say it hunting'llhelp you fulfill your dreams.
I have to say, it hunting canbe quite a selfish sport, and

(18:38):
I've never wanted to wreck mymarriage, and so therefore I've
tried to compromise, like if Ihad Robin come home and say I
wanna renovate the kitchen for$20,000, I'd say hang on a
moment.
What colour do you want?
Yeah, hang on a moment.
But she has never once in mylife said you can't go on a hunt

(19:00):
.
And yeah, for that I'm foreverthankful and, as far as I'm
concerned, everything I'veachieved, she's equally achieved
.
It also, it's been apartnership.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
And Robin's actually here in camp too.
She's basically the main cog inthe wheel.
She runs the kitchen house.
Without her we'd all bestarving and cranky and carrying
on.
Yeah, that's right, but no,it's been good to catch up with
her too, and share some camp,yeah, and she's been on a fair
few of your trips.
Yeah, a good handful anyway.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, she's been to Stewart Island a number of times
with me, which have been prettyspecial trips, and then I've
had her up the Rees Valley whereI got me big buck and she's
seen white-tailed does up there,which, yeah, pretty special.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Not a hunter herself, though is she?
No, not really.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
She shot a wild pig years ago.
But yeah, that's about it.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
As far as mentors go, I think it's probably something
that's missing.
With the access to the internetand Facebook and things like
that, you can gather informationfrom all over the world,
whereas you are relying on, youknow, one or two people to try
and lean on some information andhelp you, and I think that I

(20:20):
really actually think we're on abit of a flipping point at the
moment where people are actuallyhelping more.
There's some new people thathave come into it, and I'm
thinking of one in particularwho is helping other people, and
that's annoying a few peoplethat are, like you said right at
the start, that are a bit.
The deer hunting industry is alittle bit close guarded and
secretive.

(20:40):
We're at an interesting pointin history where there's that
many deer in australiaspecifically that if we don't
start shooting more that thegovernment's just going to do
something about it.
So the sharing of spots andthings is becoming a little bit
more common.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think.
But I think and I think for thefuture of hunting in general
itself, with, you know, thepressure of conservationists, or
Like, I'm the biggestconservationist here.
I love animals, I just like tohunt some of them.
But if we, the young people,are the future of hunting and
they're the ones that we'regoing to have to encourage and

(21:18):
mentor to keep it, alive On theflip side of you having a mentor
.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I know you've been a mentor for some people as well,
and we spoke about one thismorning or last night, and I
don't know if you want tomention that or not, but just
the impact.
Yeah, a good mate of mine,murray Horsfield.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
He he was one of the first to buy a book off me.
He knew very little abouthunting and he contacted me and
um, want to hunt tar and chamoisand stuff and and and I give
him a few tips and away he wentand he become a extremely
accomplished hunter anddedicated hunter and was

(22:00):
striving to get the SouthPacific 15 and late January,
early February last year huntingwhite tail, he had a accident
and fell to his deathunfortunately, and rocked his
family and rocked me and I stillfind it hard to believe.

(22:21):
And but yeah, he was out theredoing what he wanted to do and
and it's a dangerous sport we do.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I've done plenty of silly things and probably
shouldn't be sitting here now,but lucky enough to yeah got
through it, I guess, but anywayyeah got through it, I guess,
but uh, anyway, well, you knowthere's definitely a lot of

(22:54):
young people in the industrythat could do with some
mentoring.
There's a, you know, still hearabout stories about people
doing the wrong things and Ithink that's tricky too, and in
the age where it's so easy togoogle something and work out if
you're doing the right or thewrong thing, you know they shoot
the wrong animal or they're inthe wrong area, or you know they
just go about things the wrongway.
It's um, yeah, it's a.

(23:17):
It's a slippery slope and thewhole industry is on its edge
with, like you said, theconservationists that aren't
hunters, thinking they're doingthe right thing and if we do the
wrong thing too many times, itwon't be long until they try and
take it all the way from.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , like um I my mother.
She couldn't kill a fly and um,you know, I'm actually very
soft-hearted when it comes toanimals.
It just happens to be that Iwant to hunt some of them and
that's um in my dna and I can'thelp it and that's all about it.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
On the topic of the South Pacific 15, circling back
to that a little bit, there is15 animals considered in the
list, but there's more that arein the South.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Pacific.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, which could be added, which could be, and I
think we got up to nearly 20 theother day when we were rattling
off some names I've got.
I don't know, I'm probablyhalfway.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, a scrub bull, for instance, should be on it.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Scrub bull very underrated Trophy camel.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yep, that's right Not on it as far as that goes.
Dingo wild dog Yep, Trickytechnicalities on those ones?
Yeah, I guess so, but theypoison them and they hunt them
down south, so it's not illegalto hunt them.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
What was one of the easier ones on your list.
You said you started shootinggoats and things at home.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah well, when it all ended with the hog deer, I
couldn't believe it was all over.
Like, obviously, to gain accessfor the hog deer, that was a
big challenge in itself, but theactual getting a stag was a bit
underwhelming really what wasreminding and I've got got a

(25:11):
terrible memory.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Was it you that were telling me there's a story with
your hog deer, that you got somegame camera photos or something
from someone?
Else yeah yeah, that they hadbecause it was a bit unique was
it in?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
yeah, yeah, so doug reed a a?
Um well-renowned samba hunter,um.
He had a block um that hehunted hog deer on and he had
the.
He had a block that he huntedhog deer on and he had the trail
cam cameras out and apparentlyhe took a photo of this
particular stag in velvet andhad a wallow there.

(25:41):
And then the season come alongand, unbeknown to me, I was
hunting on the block next doorand on opening morning, april
the 1st, he heard a shot and itwas my shot and he said to
himself that'll be the stag andI, and so it was, I don't know

(26:04):
about a 14 inch stag I got.
And then my mate, mike Welsh,in a magazine saw a photo of the
trail cam camera of a stag andit was the exact stag how we
know it was.
He had damage to his inner topthere and when he was in velvet

(26:27):
and it was obvious that it wasthe same stag and and so yeah,
and I got him.
I was carrying a ladder in for aafternoon high seed hunt and it
was midday, the fog just liftedand there it was in front of me

(26:47):
at 10 or 12 metres, and I satthe ladder down and took the
rifle off my shoulder and loadedthe cartridge and shot it and I
thought to myself well, that'sit.
Yeah, is it supposed to endlike this?
Maybe that was the gift for allthe other hard ones.
Exactly right blood, sweat andtears.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
We're joined here by Patch.
I don't know if you can see herin the.
Yeah, she's my dog.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
She's a beautiful dog .

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Great camp dog.
You can really razz her up, andshe'll bite you and nip your
heels though.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, she sure will.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
She's well fed up here, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, she goes dingo hunting with me, or wall dog
hunting, I guess.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
So if that was one of your easy ones, what's the
other end of the scale?
Which one took you the longest?
Was it the whitetail?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, seven trips to New Zealand to get a whitetail
buck and they're my most reveredspecies of deer, but obviously
the Samba.
You know, I never reallythought I was good enough to get
a Samba stag and I alwaysthought, well, if I did get the
chance, that it'd be a TexasHeartshot crashing off through

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the bush.
And and was completely opposite, found a little fawn there
bedded up one day and I thoughtto myself, well, his mother's
got to be about here somewhere.
And so I snuck about there abit and looked down onto a bench

(28:19):
30 metres below me and here'sthis deer laying there in the
sun.
I thought it was a red stag tostart, with the sun just beaming
down on it.
It just yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Bright orange color.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, but it was a big Samba stag and he actually
had his chin on the ground,sound asleep and yeah, so what I
imagined or envisaged was thedead opposite and ended up
getting him and, yeah, the hindjumped up out of the scrub next

(28:56):
to him, so they had obviouslyhad a good morning she fell to
your demise as well.
Yeah and yeah.
So Did you shoot her as well,or just the stay?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, no, no.
So your 15 are they.
Are they all males, are theyall?
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, doesthat matter in the 15?
Does it have to be?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
made.
Yeah, it's all a all arepresentative head of or trophy
of each of the 15 species.
so, yep um, my most reveredanimal I've ever hunted in the
south Pacific is the Himalayantar.
I just absolutely love the tarand admire them.
It just what is it?

(29:36):
1990, I think, was the firstever tar hunt I did.
So what's that?
34 years ago and ever since.
I don't know how many tar huntsI've done, but guided on them a
bit over there too, and yeah, Ilove looking up at the tar with
the binoculars.
Pretty special animal.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
What point in the timeline did you meet?

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Chris?
Yeah, that's an interestingthing.
And who is Chris?
Yeah, Chris McCarthy from LakeHawia Hunting Safari.
So he's my best mate.
I was one of his best men athis wedding.
I'd been to his father'sfuneral.
He's lived with us in Australiaand worked with me as a fencing

(30:24):
contractor and I've guided forhim in New Zealand.
I think he's hunted 12 of the15 animals South Pacific.
What's left for him?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Banting maybe.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'd have to think Well, when I say hunted 12 of
the 15, it's probably most ofthem been for me, sure, so I'm
not sure how many he needs.
But so how we met was back inabout the 2000 or something it

(30:58):
was.
I was on a hunting trip in theLansborough Valley in the
Southern Alps in New Zealand andme and another fella were
camped in under a rock ledge,sort of bivouac and sheltering
from bad weather that was comingin and a flash flood or
downpour on the open tops aboveus created a wall of water and

(31:24):
come down this dry gully andwashed us both away at 10
o'clock at night, and I know Ilost five thousand dollars worth
of gear and including my rifle,and then, oh well, survived
that I guess and walked off themountain.
Then my socks, my boots werewashed away and so, yeah, it was

(31:45):
pretty ordinary night.
But um, I was determined, Iloved that rifle, a remington
mountain rifle in 280, and andum, so I decided to go back next
year, drew the block the bakercreek block again, and and went
back.
It was going back with twoaustralian mates, but the last
minute they had to pull out andand so I contacted Doc in New

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Zealand, saying that wellnotified next emergency party,
and Chris McCarthy was a memberof that and we met all met at
the Cook Saddle Hotel in Fox,glacier, and when Chris walked
into that hotel he was about 18,I guess, and in a sheerer
singlet, and I thought to myself, well, how full of himself's

(32:29):
this fella.
And but we flew in there and thewhole valley, well the whole
area, got wiped out by bigstorms during the week.
We lost two tents, they wereblown away and ripped to pieces,
and so the chopper flew in andpicked a lot of camps up, flew

(32:50):
them out and two of our guysflew out.
But the James Scott, thechopper pilot, said if you and
Chris and I stay in there, we'llhave some good weather.
So we stayed there and wehunted together and and, um,
even though I don't know, it's25 years difference in our ages,
there's just something abouthim that struck a chord with me

(33:13):
and I wanted to have more to dowith him.
So I come home to Australia andI sent him a letter once again
you know he had to write lettersthose days and I asked him and
his girlfriend Bronwyn to comeover and Robin and I and the two
of them.
We head to the NorthernTerritory after Buffalo and
Bangtang and and that was astart of a lifelong friendship.

(33:38):
And, yeah, I admire the man.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
He runs the best outfit in New Zealand as far as
I'm concerned and definitely atthe peak of well, I'm gonna say
a niche market, because a lot ofthe New Zealand is set up for
the estate style stuff.
But yeah, as far as free range,true Otago herd.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well, he was always a dedicated hunter and and he
just felt that even though theestate hunting it's certainly
got a market, a big market, buthe always felt there was still
guys out there that wanted to doit free range, wilderness style

(34:18):
, and he went with that idea andit's paid off for him, you see
he's got this.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know, looking him up, he's got a pretty cool
Facebook page with regularupdates on stags.
He's seeing all year round andtracking their progress.
And oh, we saw this guy lastyear and he's called this.
But the main thing I look forevery year is the fence photo
and this is a photo of.
He's got an amazing lodge andthere's this fence in front of
the lodge and they mount allthese Euro mounts of the stags

(34:47):
they've harvested for the yearand over the years you just see
the increase in genetic qualityafter his proper management.
That's right, exactly, he'sreaping the rewards.
He's actually introduced a tagsystem to his herd, which isn't
done in New Zealand, no, verysimilar to the American tag
system.
So when you shoot one or whenyou turn up, I suppose, you get

(35:09):
your tag and when you harvest it, you click the tag and hang it
on it.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, it just adds something to the hunt.
He's always thought outside thesquare, chris, and I admire him
and I treasure him as a friend,and he wrote the foreword for
my book and I admire him and Itreasure him as a friend, and he
wrote the forward for my bookand I'm fortunate enough to have
just wrote the forward for hisnew book.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
so yeah, I haven't read it either like I said, I
don't really's right.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, it's what's it called Yesterday Stags.
Today.
It arrived the night before Ileft to come up to the Northern
Territory and so I haven'treally had much of a look at
myself, but it's a high qualitybook and well worth anyone

(36:05):
checking it out.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, what?
What's like after you did the15 and you did your hoggy and
things.
Is it like a?
Is there a bit of a come down,like you said it was?
You weren't sure what to doafter that.
What's next?

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like what.
Obviously that was a few yearsago now, so I just feel I feel a
real contented hunter.
There's a couple of animals I'dlike to.
I love the mountain hunting andI'll probably probably go to my
grave not getting a sheep fromNorth America.
I have hunted stone sheep.

(36:45):
My boss over in BritishColumbia gave me a chance at one
$2,500 for the horse, a guideand some food and $8,000 trophy
fee if I shot a ram.
But I didn't see yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
If you're listening and you think that's expensive,
the current cost of a stonesheep is anywhere from $50,000
to $75,000 US.
Yeah, so that's a bug.
Yeah, current cost of a stonesheep is anywhere from 50 to
75,000 US.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
So that's a bug.
Yeah, in the last couple ofyears they've taken the biggest
ram in stone sheep in NorthAmerica on his concession and
he's been offered quarter of amillion dollars if he can come
up with another ram the samesize.
So, yeah, a bit out of myleague.
How did you end up in BC?
So, a mate of mine, glenSwanson.

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He worked for an outfitter inBC, kylo Brothers, in either the
late 80s or early 90s and hecome home with a black bear, a
mountain goat, a mountaincaribou, a moose and a ram for

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his work, which to me wasmind-blowing.
That was his paycheck.
Yeah, exactly, and me being me,I did it my way.
I was never prepared to go on apaid hunt, so I thought, well,
if you're going to do it, youmight as well go over and work.
I always wanted a mountain goatsince I was a young fella and I

(38:17):
organised with the outfitterthat I'd do the season for a
goat.
He had a good deal, but Ithought I was doing okay.
But when I got there and I sawthe first moose and I thought,
holy hell, I've got to try andhunt some more of these animals.
I asked the guy that I was,bill Chapman, the best bushman

(38:38):
ever I've been in the hills with.
He was the guide, I was thewrangler.
I said how am I going to tryand hunt these things, bill, and
these other animals?
He said, just ask the outfitter.
And um yeah, he agreed and Igot some tags and I end up
coming home with, um yeah, nice,53 inch bull moose, me mountain

(38:58):
goat that always wanted sevenfoot six black bear and a
grizzly bear.
So yeah, I had a good good time, that was the first year.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, you went back a few times.
Yeah, yeah, well, they wentback guiding.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, you took robin over as well yeah, yeah and but
I I worked for pay on on thosethose times, and of those I mean
you've told me.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I'm just trying to think whether it was the black
or the brown, but but there wasa story about it.
You were above it or something.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Oh well, yeah, to be charged by a grizzly bear is a
pretty awesome experience.
So before the hunting seasonstarts, there's a lot of trail
cutting and setting up the campsway back in the mountains.
So you're back there on yourhorses and pack horses, and we
were on a beautiful, really nicemeadow one day at a moose lick,
and we were about ready to poursome salt into the lick to

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stock it up for the year, and Ilooked over my right shoulder on
the bush edge, about 80 yardsaway, and the biggest grizzly
ever I've seen in my life wasstanding there and I pointed out
to Bill and he said, oh, we'llkeep an eye on this thing, and
and like most grizzlies, helooked at us for a bit and then

(40:20):
he turned and he went back intothe bush and disappeared, which
you'd expect him to do, and wejust continued putting the salt
in the bush and disappeared,which you'd expect him to do,
and we just continued puttingthe salt in the lick.
And then, a few minutes later,I looked back and the bear was
standing there again.
As much to say, well, what haveI got to leave here for?
Anyway, I don't know why, Ican't remember, but I went about

(40:44):
10 metres away and I must havegot a better view.
When I was filming and takingsome photos of the grizzly and
all of a sudden the bear startedto walk towards us from 80 to
70 yards and Bill said oh jeez,lewis, you better come back over
here.
And I went straight back andwhen I looked up now, the

(41:04):
grizzly's coming at full tiltstraight at us and it was only
seconds.
And Bill said quick, hold thesehorses.
And I grabbed the reins undertheir chin and turned their
heads away so they couldn't seewhat was about to happen.
And Bill got down on his kneeson his haunches and at 30 yards,

(41:27):
fired 45-70 and the grizzlyskidded to a halt Into the bear
or was he shooting to scare it?
Yeah, well, like I didn't know.
And he fired, the grizzlyskidded to a halt and stood
there and just shook its head atus and then turned around and
walked away.
I was completely dumbfounded.
I said what didn't you shoot itto a halt and stood there and
just shook its head at us andthen turned around and walked
away.
I was completely dumbfounded.

(41:48):
I said what didn't you shoot it?
And he said no, I didn't wantit, but the next bastard was
gonna be for real.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So just he shot the ground or shot around it.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
No, he shot straight between its ears, right, just to
scare it.
The coolest bloke I've everbeen with and yeah, yeah, for
someone to hold his cool in thatsituation.
I wasn't scared, didn't havetime to be scared, but yeah, it
could have turned.

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Went pear-shaped real easy.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
How did your bear hunt turn out then?
Not as eventful as that.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, so.
So this Bill Chapman, he's goteyes like an eagle and we were
on a lookout with the pickup andit was clear cuts where they
fell a lot of pine through thevalleys, and at about five
kilometres he spotted it was socold I'd given up.

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I couldn't find anything.
And after glassing and glassingand I went round to the front
of the pickup and said to Bill,have you seen anything?
And he said yeah, there'ssomething over there, but it
could be a bird.
And he just kept looking at it,because when, the, when the
bears feed in the in the clearcuts through the pine slash,

(43:10):
after the berries there, theydisappear and then they reappear
anyway.
He kept looking and and, um,event, yeah, there it is, it's a
bear.
And I said, is it a grizzly?
And he said yes, it is.
And so we jumped in the pickupand it took us one and a half
hours to drive out of thatwatershed into the watershed

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that the bear was in.
Then we parked the vehicle andwalked a logging track and he
knew exactly where to walk toand I just followed him, stuck
to his shoulder like to ablanket, and he stopped on the
logging track and then he lookedup a bank and then he started

(43:54):
walk, climbing up the bank and Ifollowed him and when he got to
the top of the bank, he's there, right there, there.
And because I couldn't see, forlooking, and there, right there
, and eventually I spotted it.
It was 40 yards away and it was, yeah, beautiful grizzly just
feeding amongst the pine slash,and and he all, I'm a real 280

(44:20):
man.
And so that's what I had.
You wouldn't be guided on agrizzly hunt with a 280, but
that's what I had.
You wouldn't be guided on agrizzly hunt with a 280, but
that's what I had.
And Bill said you'll be right,lewis, just make sure you hit
him behind the shoulder when heopens himself up.
Anyway, the bear was feedingaround and then it started to
walk towards us, come a bitcloser, feeding towards us.

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And I had that crosshair righton him and I can remember I had
it on his spine and I had thatcrosshair right on him and I can
remember I had it on his spineand I could feel myself
squeezing the trigger.
It was a perfect shot to hisspine and right at the last
second I said no.
Bill said hit him behind theshoulder.
So I released that pressure andI remember I let out a sigh of

(45:04):
relief it was so tense and thebear then turned and went back
again.
And then he come to the side andas he stepped into an opening
and opened his front leg up, Ilet drive and never forget it
for the rest of my life thatbear.
He stood up on his back legsand let out the biggest almighty

(45:28):
roar you've ever heard and hewas slashing at fresh air with
his claws and looking for whathad hit it.
And then it went back down ontoits all fours and I reloaded
and hit it there again and hereared straight back up onto his
back legs again.
This time he did a back flipand then all I remember is this

(45:54):
ball of fur sort of slowlyrolling down a slight incline
and I put two more shots into it.
It was an empty magazine.
Then I turned around to Billand said give him one, bill, and
he said to me I don't thinkthere's any need, lewis.
So it was an awesome experience.
I'll never forget it.
When we eventually got down tothe bear, after making sure he

(46:18):
was dead, I reached into me daypack to get me camera out and I
pulled me sat phone out and rangRobin back in Barabba there
four o'clock in the morning andsaid well, I got me grizzly.
And she said well, you can comehome now Job done.
Yeah, job done yeah so yeah, um,that was back in 2005, 2007

(46:43):
sort of thing.
I was working over there butcouldn't do it.
Now I'm getting a bit long inthe tooth, so but I'm pleased I
did it.
Anyone that wants to do it, goand do it, because it's an
awesome experience there'sthere's some pretty good
programs.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Actually I don't know if it's running post-covid, but
there was a New Zealand programwhere you would learn how to
guide, learn how to pack a horseand you know basic outdoor
skills and things, and then youwould be guaranteed you had to
pay to do the course but part ofthat would you'd be guaranteed
to do a season in New Zealandwith sorry, in Canada with an
outfitter, and they've also gotAmerican options.

(47:23):
They had Scottish options andthey've also got American
options.
They had Scottish options.
It's, you know, to learn how tobe a wrangler initially and
then work your way into being aguide.
Yeah, has been more accessiblerecently.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
So we didn't have any of that, I just I can't like.
So my mate that worked for KyloBrothers, which was Ken Kylo,
the father, he passed away withcancer and I worked for his son,
scott, and I just rang up andsaid, can I work for you?
And because I'd worked withhorses all my life, mustering

(47:57):
cattle and stuff, well, knew abit about them.
But yeah, you know it was alearning curve.
I just learned it as I went.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Were they horse people?
Or just had the horses as partof.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
No, they were horse people.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
How did they shoe?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
them.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
How did they shoe them?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
They didn't shoe them , they went barefoot.
But the outfitter that owns thelike Geordie McCauley that owns
the outfit, now Finlay RiverOutfitters, he's called called
it because he purchased it offscott kylo.
You ought to see how he shoesthe horses.
He puts them in.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I know exactly how you're going to say it.
This is an only canadian thing.
It's unreal.
I don't even know what you'regoing to say, but I know what
you're going to say because I'veseen it and I was like I filmed
it when I was there and thenthey said, oh no, you can't
share that footage.
I'm like like, yeah, and Ishould have kept it.
I deleted it.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
But yeah, I didn't even bother filming it, so it's
a bit hard to explain, but theyput them into a timber.
A timber shoot or crush, Iguess, and and yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
So it's a cattle crush for horses.
They run them in through thechute, it clamps them on the
sides and then you tie theirface to the side, like with
their head collar, and then itflips them on their side so
they're laying down on theirside and they're thrashing as
you would when you're a horselaying on your side on a table
confined and you've got to layunder the table and throw a rope

(49:23):
around each foot and tie thefoot down to the table with a
quick half hitch while theseother feet are brushing your
ears.
And then they had a four inchor five inch grinder cleaning
the feet up oh yeah, it'scompletely different to what we
do in australia.
I'm a horse person too.
I grew up riding and and I wasjust like what I've never seen

(49:44):
what?
What was worse was again, theguys I work with amazing hunters
great access, not horse peopleand they were using, again, if
you don't know, nails that youput in the shoe that go up
through the horse's foot.
I tape it on the top, butthey're flat on one side and
tape it on one side and whathappens is when you nail them in
the correct way, they actuallygo in the foot and then use the

(50:13):
taper to push out of the footand then you curl them over and
that's what holds the shoe in.
It's like where are the nails?
Why aren't they coming out?
I said you're nailing them inbackwards, they were just
grabbing them and putting themin oh dear some went in, some
went out.
Oh, poor horses, like abscessesyeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
no, the horses we used back in those days with
Scott Kylo when I worked for himweren't shod A properly it's
called barefoot, barefootshoeing or barefoot trimming.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
a properly manicured horse foot can survive well, but
once you start shoeing, you'vegot to continue because they end
up with weak soles and thingsyeah, oh yeah, you've got to
continue.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
You've got to continue because they end up
with weak souls and things.
But yeah, amazing horses, likeonce you get there and see where
those horses go, like you can'thunt those that country without
horses.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Really, you know no, it's inaccessible to a lot and I
think that's part of the allure.
And ted, who you saw bumping onour conversation earlier.
I met him in canada and we'vegot some really good horse
stories and I'll get into themwith him.
But there was one you knowparticular hunt we were on.
It was a two day ride in beforeyou even got to the hunting

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ground.
And it was inaccessible by quadmotorbike.
You could uh there was a runwayout there.
You could run a you know bushplane, but the cost on that was
not worth it, and that theactual runway hadn't been
manicured for some years so 15years I think it was so it had
ruts in it and it was terrible.

(51:37):
But the use of horses overthere is necessary.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, one of the most amazing things ever I seen
there was we were at a stagingcamp, called Shit Creek Camp
actually, and so it was theGeordie, the boss.
He'd bring the hunters up theriver, in up the Akai River, in
the jet boat, drop them off atthe Shit Creek Camp and then
we'd saddle up and ride off intothe mountains.

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Well, bill was out with ahunter after a grizzly this
particular day and I was in campwith the other, his mate, who
didn't go out, and we saw aplane fly over and oh yeah,
that's the boss, geordie, flyingover in his super cub.
Didn't pay a lot of attentionand next breath I looked over
and here this plane comes downround the corner in the river

(52:28):
and he sat it down on the riverrocks between the bank and the
water.
I'd never seen anything like itin all my life.
Those bush pilots are specialand we went over and we talked
and for him to take off again,we had to throw the big rocks
into the river and we pushed theplane back into the water as

(52:52):
far as we could to get himmaximum runway.
And the guy that was with him,oran, he, he was in the back and
Geordie said to him don't strapyourself in.
What you got to do is get inthe seat there and then reach
over the top of me and hold thestruts in front there at the
windscreen and pull yourselfforward.

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We got to get that back wheelup off the ground as quick as
possible.
Yeah, it was an amazing thingthat you don't see that too
often.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
No, no, I've seen some videos of those guys that
with the right conditions theycan actually just take off on
the spot.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, the tundra tyres and things that's right,
the big tundra tyres.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's a special part of the world.
I really miss it, and spendingtime with Ted and Rhonda this
week has really made mereminisce heavily on some of
those stories.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, and that's what hunting's all about too
reminiscing the memories, andpeople don't understand
taxidermy, sometimes either.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, and that's what hunting's all about too,
reminiscing the memories andpeople don't understand
taxidermy sometimes either, butthe ability to have it sit down
in front of a head.
And you said right from thestart, with your mentor you went
to his shed or whatever it wasand saw his mounts and then he
told the stories.
I've been to your house.
I've seen, I want to say, thebest trophy room in Australia
that I've seen.
He's moved house now so it's alittle bit more a different

(54:11):
organisation.
But the room I walked into I'dnever seen anything like it in
Australia.
So congratulations.
It was amazing to see the wayit was mounted and organised.
But then you were just likeI'll tell you a story about that
.
And then it was a story aboutthat, yeah, and then they're 3D
photos.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
That's all they represent is the memories and
the stories.
Yeah, the 3D photos, that's allit is.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah exactly, people don't see that as that, but to
me my trophy room grows.
Every year something gets addedand whatnot.
And yeah, they're aninteresting thing, because once
we pass, they don't really meananything to anyone else.
I mean, you've written a book,so it carries on through that,
but to other people it's just agrizzly bear exactly, or you

(54:58):
know, it's just a goat, so it's.
I don't know what happens withmounts no, and their, their
value going forward.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Obviously they have some sort of financial value,
but it's not worth that I'vealways thought we'll have to
hire an excavator and dig a bighole.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Put them all in there with you.
Just throw the match in.
Yeah, talking about mountinganimals and taxidermy, you've
had a busy four days.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
We're up here at Buff Camp and the thing with Buff is
Big country safaris You'vementioned it, that's all right.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
He got his plug.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
He got his plug, but when you shoot a buff they're
big, and then everyone wants itmounted.
Some people get a Euro mount,which is, you know, that's fine
too, but there's a lot of workgoes in behind the scenes on an
animal, and for four days theseguys have been boiling well,
knocking horns off, boilingheads, gurneying heads, drying

(55:52):
heads, yeah, and you're up to 64or something 69.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
69.
69 in four days.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
That's a record.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, I don't know whether it is or not, but my
feet tell me it is yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Today's the last day of the hunt, so tomorrow you've
got a couple of rest days forchangeover of clients, so I
think you've well earned it.
Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
And I'm only here.
Robin and I are only herebecause we love adventure and
love the wilderness and we wantto help Alex out.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Well, you and Alex met on a New Zealand hunt.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, that's right.
A tar hunt in the LandsboroughValley.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And connected from there.
Alex has got an amazing outfitup here.
Yeah, you know, comparing yourtrophy room to ones I've seen in
Australia, I think this camp isthe pinnacle of what Australian
outfitting is, and he'sdefinitely achieved great things
up here.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, like Chris McCarthy, he thinks outside the
square and he's going places.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It's good to see the younger but younger guys my age
and a little bit olderpioneering that and pushing that
into the future.
A lot of the outfitters, likeyou're saying, are dying and
they're older and they'repassing it on, but to see this
younger blood.
Alex has come from New SouthWales, wales.
He said he moved to Catherinebecause he had a mate that
worked up here as a ranger.
Yeah, so many, so many yearsago now he's, you know,
full-blooded Catherine Knight.

(57:18):
That's right.
You know.
He's got this outfit up here.
It's massive, it's huge.
His wife lives up here, kidsand, yeah, move the whole family
up here just to chase this.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, he's absolutely dedicated to it.
He's committed to the industry.
I'm proud to be associated withit.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I know he tells you in front of your face but he
tells me a lot behind the sceneshow much he appreciates your
efforts.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And the camp doesn't run the same without the cogs
behind the scenes of you guys.
Yeah, that's right, I know.
Yeah, it's right, oh no.
Yeah, it's appreciated.
Well, thanks for joining us.
If anyone wants a copy of thebook, where do they go to get it
?
I know you've got a really goodphone website now because
you've got to set that up foryou.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, just the other day.
But yeah, lewisreedcomau, and.
I've got a website there andyou can purchase it online.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Definitely a worthwhile read, and thanks for
being with us this evening, noworries.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Look forward to our last night together.
I'm sure we'll share somedrinks in the future.
Good catching up with you,dodge, bye-bye.
Well done, thank you.

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