Ep.8 Jack's Journey from Silicon Valley to hunting the hills.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
On the eighth episode about your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Unzip it from the bottom up and the wrong thing to
do.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think you were saying you and Alex watching it
and just having a creativethought At these videos, because
these friends filmed it Morefor comedic value.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, people talk different than me, different
accents, different things aregoing on.
People are asking me what myfavourite type of deer to hunt
is, what's my favourite calibre?
I'm like just a deer fly, Iknow it's.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
That was really hard on the ego that night and we
came across some locals that'swhat I'm going to describe it A
couple of redneck hillbillieswith four teeth, between the
two-year-old in the back andeveryone else in the camp, and I
said hello and there wasn'tmuch received from the other end
, but we chopped some tree.
Welcome to another episode ofAcura at Hunts, the Life

(01:04):
Outdoors.
I am sitting in a containerShipping container at Acura at
Hunts HQ.
Again, jack, welcome to theshow.
Jack, thank you for having me.
Jack is a regular friend of theshow in the background and that
was in the foreground.
So, by and the scenes, jack isin charge of all my web work.
He's responsible for my amazingwebsite, all the reels you see

(01:29):
from all the episodes, all theposters and flyers and things
that we put out.
So thank you for doing allthose things and I apologise for
all the voice messages you get.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
That's alright, paid off in the end.
After the site Paid off in theend, what?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
are you alluding to?
Did something happen?
Couple of things could havehappened.
Couple of things could havehappened.
I was nearly not going torecord tonight because it's 1am
and we're pooped, because we gothere this time last night,
maybe a bit later yeah, that wasnearly two.
I had two or three hours sleep,got up, set up camp and we had

(02:04):
a father-son combo come in foran education course and we've
had a great time with our man, agreat day too.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Jack jumped on board and he's been learning a bit
today too, and we'll get intowhy you're learning and what not
.
But it's been a big day.
There's lots of highs and,other than the depths of how we
went down into, there's nolowers other than that physical
one.
Where is he?

(02:33):
I?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
thought where's he?
Where's he?
Yeah, I don't think he saidwhere we are.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I thought you were at an high school.
That's as much as we can.
You get the address from yourbook no chord, that's for sure.
It's 100 degrees left of NarniaState Forest, or something I
said last time.
Yeah, no, it's been good havingyou here and I appreciate it,
but we've been talking aboutrecording for a while and some

(02:59):
things have happened today thatwe'll talk about, but that
wasn't why we were going torecord.
And I've said to you from thestart I really enjoy hearing
people's firsts and journeystowards achieving goals and
things, and you're a prettysavvy tech minded listed sort of
person and you put up a post onAustralian.

(03:22):
I just got to think about yourjourney into forums.
Yeah, it was pretty interesting.
Yeah, because I've never seenanyone break it down like that.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, when I was looking, I was always like
trying to find this information,looking for what, how to get
started, and I find conflictingreports.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, why did you want to start?
Why did you want to get intoguns?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I don't know if I want to get into guns, but I
actually took listening aboutthis the other day and I
realized first time I everwanted to something around
hunting was watching episode ofJeremy Oliver Back in the day.
He's like a great escape seasonor something and he went to
Italy and he had to slaughter alamb and it was a really

(04:11):
confronting experience for him.
I was probably like 14 or 15 atthe time, and one quote that
stuck with me that he said wasit's out of FENZU, you shouldn't
eat it.
And so since then I've thoughtokay, I've eaten so much of meat
in my life.
I've never taken theresponsibility of consuming it
ever, and so that was always anunsettling feeling for me, but I

(04:34):
never did anything about ituntil I couldn't ignore it any
longer.
When was that COVID?
I mean post COVID, post COVID.
I was actually at my mum'splace in Canada, on Vancouver
Island, and we were justchilling out in summer, I think
I mean 22, 22,.
We're just in a backyard andthis big mule did and we fell.

(05:00):
That came and just sat in thebackyard and I was probably two
meters away from me and anotherfour meters away from the
barbecue.
I thought I'd put two togetherso that one really pushed me
there to like okay, when I gotback to Australia, I was looking

(05:20):
for something.
The first thing I found was theHunter's Club Australian
Hunters Club.
So it's because you've got goodACA, yeah, I think I, like you
mentioned it before like workingwith tech and stuff like that.
I've been listening to allthese hunting podcasts and
there's always a comment likeall these city people don't
understand.
And I'm hearing that.

(05:41):
I'm thinking that's me here.
I am working in like the middleof Sydney City and the company
I worked for at the time was inSilicon Valley.
Like you can't get more in thatguy than me.
Except I had this interest, I'mlike, but I don't know anyone
who does this.
So, yeah, so I just joined theclub, not really knowing what

(06:05):
I'm doing, and like started fromthere.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I think the Australian Hunters Club is
interesting.
This episode will come outafter the one I did with Chris
and he's, you know, owner ofAustralian Hunters Club and
creator, I suppose.
But it's a unique club for afew reasons and it doesn't work
for everyone.
But it's a real example of youget out of it what you put into

(06:32):
it and there's a few people thatcomplain they don't get
anything out of it and they'relike, well, what you put in, and
then I get anything backbecause they don't invest.
And you you know I think that'show we initially interacted
with you posted something on thequestion about I think it was.
You posted about fire and I'mstorage in a rental.

(06:52):
Yeah, because it is safe.
Can I put a safe in a rental?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That was one of the big blockers for me.
Money was one, storage was onewhich didn't really get solved
until later, Just the wholelicensing process.
Ego was another issue.
Having to, you know, juststarts on a noon all over again.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And your family supported like a whole new hobby
.
Start from scratch.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I didn't tell them that I even had the interest, so
I kept it pretty close to thecar, like close to the chest.
So I don't really want them tohave a say that's what you
wanted to have me about now.
I think that's a journey.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
So I'm talking about your wife and kids.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, they've come around a lot accepting
Especially the kids.
I think they should like whendad has adventures as long as I.
You know my daughter's favoriteanimals, koala.
So I don't think I'm going tobe hunting koala at any time
soon.
So they say they're a bitchewing too.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
So I'll wait and I'll do it so they're supportive,
but extended family.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I don't know how they found out, but they
found out I do concerned emails.
Yeah, yeah, like is everythinggoing okay?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah well, I never thought about that happening.
My mom wasn't keen on megetting my license initially,
but she didn't tend to be aconcerned email because it's
told me I'm an idiot.
She didn't understand why Ineeded one.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
No, I needed guns and my parents are a lot of
Canadians so I get concernedemails.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, but only recently Canada's gone a little
bit more anti-gun.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Do you think so?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, that's what we see as far as changing your gun
rights and things.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm not paying close attention, at least where we're
there, from where my wife grewup, on the Minko Rylan dirt, a
lot of hunting going on.
It's kind of like the edge ofthe wilderness there.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I've told you the other day, it's for shocky lifts
, Jim, Still over there.
So well, tell us about thestorage thing.
What was the issue?
You're at a rental.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm in a rental and my landlord lives next door,
essentially.
So you didn't ask.
I knew you would say no,because I can't even put a hook
on the outside lattice to hangflower pots, so storage drilling
into cement like hey, wait asecond.
I'm just, yeah, that's theautomatic knife.
So I'm thinking, do I just notlet him know and just fill it in

(09:43):
later, or do I have like higherstorage?
But then I saw that was goingto be more expensive after a
year.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I can picture you like in a prison, like making
other noises, pots and pans, soyou can quickly drill a hole.
You know the brickworks are inGod here.
Just wait the fireworks orsomething.
It's a New Year's Eve forest.
Just a mouthful of coffee.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
There's nothing.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
And then so all the other thing was store it.
Do I get safe at 150 kilos oran over?
And then that's just a hugething in the corner of a small
house.
Yeah, any upstairs, and it'svery expensive, it's just one
level.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, we considered that.
So you went to look, you lookedinto storing elsewhere.
Pay for it.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, and that was more expensive than 150 kilos.
Yeah, this is a lot of stuff.
This is in Sydney and therewasn't really guaranteed there's
spots anyway.
Who was that with?

Speaker 1 (10:44):
The range One of the ranges so I ended up with the
gun, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
We may have that cable bit.
They ended up with a.
I sent it to Newcastle firstbecause I was right up to your
dad's place.
He had a license or something.
He had tenants that had alicense.
I'm like, okay, it's been inthere, it's you know, cops are
happy with it, I'll just putanother safe in there, but
that's not so convenient to grab.

(11:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, yeah, I'm not that.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I'm still an hour and a bit, yeah, but at least I
don't have to drive throughSydney.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
True and mostly recent honey gringes have been
with me.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah Well, Nundle was up north.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I bought the gun, yeah, yeah.
Well, talk about Nundle.
So Nundle was a big experiencefor me and what it was was the
annual Australian Hunters Clubgathering Maybe function,
whatever they want to call it.
It's the first one I've been toand last year's one well, sorry

(11:55):
, previous years one was inMelbourne, this year's one was
in Sydney and they picked Nundlefor some reason, I don't really
know why, but it worked.
We'll get into that.
Worked out On the previouspodcast.
I've been challenged to shoot atthe United States Forest
because I made some stupidcomments, which it's not

(12:16):
uncommon for me, actually, withguides along the lines of I
don't understand why peoplethink it's so hard to shoot at
the United States Forest.
You just apply the sameprinciples you have in privately
and into the state forest, andI did it a couple of times.
I was trying to think of onefella he spoke to me the other
day, but it's one o'clock in themorning, I can't remember your
name and I apologize, butthey've come to me halfway

(12:39):
through it Challenged me andsaid I'm going to be two or
three days in the forest, seewhat you can do and if you can't
get it done by the end of theyear, you have to eat a chili
sandwich, and I ended up goinginto state forest for one day,
had some issues left, whatnot,so I never really completed the

(13:00):
challenge and I was kind ofgiven up on it and was about to
eat the sandwich.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like I was metaphorically yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
And physically I was giving up a little bit on it and
there was some stuff happeningwith the end of the other
podcast and the slow start onthis one and whatnot just family
and business so hunting took alittle bit of a turn there for a
while, took a backseat for alittle while and then it really
ramped up.
And one of those things thatramped up was a book to spy at

(13:34):
Nundle and I said do you want togo, or something?
And we ended up going togetherand I said the second time this
had happened.
Now we left it.
I picked him up at like aLiverpool at 10 o'clock and died
or something.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I think it was supposed to get lead at seven.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, something, I just not a terrible pack of
something happened.
I forgot something and couldn'tfind it.
Anyway.
We left like soccer, six hourdrive straight through.
Yeah, rocked in at 4am.
Yeah, I slipped in the car.
I couldn't build a setup.
Swag Jack set up his withoutthe hammock.
Hammock tied up 22 trees.

(14:13):
We had a really cool camp spotand we had not planned and just
rocked up on top of a man andset the alarm for two hours.
Good night at six.
Six summer, packed up Likewe'll just go for a hunt from
here.
Went around a little bit, sawsome really cool countries, so

(14:34):
really tall trees in there withno undergrowth and just grass.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And those trees with the strip bark.
Yeah, kind of look like aporcupine.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Kind of a paper.
I'm not sure we figured outwhat that was.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
What do we got, not porcupines?
I saw a dead red deer, old,faded away to nothing.
He was a wallowies and not awhole lot of event for me.
Nurse had a couple of snoozes.
Yeah, that was solid snooze,that was some good snooze, and
then that day sort of fizzledout and nothing much happened.

(15:11):
We headed across to join thecommunal camp that started the
next day and we set up.
We actually got lost thanks toChris and his terrible
directions, but got lost acouple of times.
Oh yeah, yeah, we still gotback a few times, but we were
very close.
We were just out of close, justcouldn't see us, couldn't see
that big sign that said straighthome to start to turn left here

(15:31):
.
Anyway, I set up camp and weset up and had a chat with
everyone, met everyone for thefirst time.
Most people were other thanChris.
I don't think I knew anyoneyourself and Chris.
Everyone was dear, they'd had agood campfire and whatnot.
And then you mentionedsomething the other day that I
didn't think of, but you saideveryone was a bit cagey when

(15:52):
that conversation came up ofwhere are you going tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, it was funny because everyone was super
friendly, like I introducedyourself and then, right before
everyone went to bed, I was like, okay, what's the game plan for
tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
And there was just silence because it was like I
would say like 18 people, 16people or something.
There was a fair few.
It's a big forest, but everyonewas cool as we were.
We had a plan, we had somesports we wanted to get to and
we didn't have any other peoplecoming.

(16:28):
It was fine.
We'll tell them about it whenwe got back.
So anyway, I didn't realize that, I didn't think too much about
that, but overall it was thesame.
So we headed off.
We're actually more on as earlyas we're wanted to be, because
Jack takes a little while to getready.
Yeah, that's nice.
This just doesn't happen inAustralia.
Anyway, it's a little, takessome practice.
Just four year accorded.

(16:48):
He realized he sure was, and soI didn't have to turn it in the
other way.
Same shirt, he wore it, none ofthem around the wrong way and
we headed off and we were halfan hour later than I sort of
wanted to be, but didn't reallymatter, and we parked on the
side of the road.
It was still a full sunrise, itwas still early.
Yeah, correct, yeah, I justwanted to be a little bit
further in before nothing hadcome up and we parked on the

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side of the road and moved inthrough a section and we weren't
.
I mean, we were hunting it, butit was just on our way to where
we wanted to be and we hadn'tbeen where we wanted to be.
So we were just making it up aswe went, but we both sort of I
probably more mentally flaggedit and you verbally flagged it.

(17:34):
He's like there's a lot of signand when you say a lot, it was
like the most we'd seen, but itstill wasn't a lot.
Yeah, I was saying like threefoot prints per square kilometer
and you know some fresh scat, acouple of, though they picked
the top off, the I keep a quickthought native rosemary, but

(17:56):
unconfirmed, and we realizedthat that was a pretty high
grazing, like that's red deer.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, we realized later well because we thought,
oh, we'll push on and see whatelse we could find, and we
didn't find anything.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
And we had another snooze, yeah, on the grassy spot
.
That was nice.
And then the day got reallywarm and it was predicted to,
and it's no surprise.
But we sort of pushed aroundand a bit of an air and didn't
really see much.
So we moved out and we said,look, we're back to the car
reset, get some drinks and thendrive and check out that other

(18:32):
area in some pines and we cameacross some locals as well I'm
going to describe it and aredneck hillbillies with four
teeth between the two year old,in the back of anyone else in
the car and I said hello andthere wasn't much received from
the other end.
But we chopped some trees thatwould cross the track.
I don't know what the etiquetteis.

(18:52):
There A big tree across thetrack, a pine, and Iowa's
carrying axe and it's very sharpand we lumberjacked that thing.
It was quite fun.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I mean, we were kind of twiddling up arms at that
point.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Like we were just in the middle of the day yeah, burn
some time.
We had fun.
We lumberjacked this thing andthen we're like that's cool, we
dragged it out of the way.
We literally drove like 400meters and there was 30 trees
down across the road and justlike stick, stick, stick, stick,
a storm had come through andjust wiped out all the trees.

(19:26):
So we weren't going to chopthat, but it meant that we just
wasted half an hour.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
We climbed over those trees and went to the Titham
over there.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
You just said we should go back to that spot we
saw this morning and sit.
I've never sat and waited andit's not in mine, Like I know
it's a thing but it's not in myplaybook.
It's just not how I want toroll.
It's too boring, so boring.
And it turned out to be veryboring for 99% of it, and so we

(20:09):
headed back, we parked up, movedin and it was later than I
thought we should probably bethere.
There was 530 or so, 4 to 6.
And I randomly just said I'mjust going to sit at the base of
this tree.
I was actually really lookingforward to a snoot.
And then you I don't know howfar you went A little bit
further.
I just went 150.
From the other side of the gnom, yeah, and the deal was just

(20:34):
sit and wait, sit and commit,sit all that minute, and we'd
never really discussed a pullouttime or anything.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
They didn't really talk.
I think by that time likemorale was low, yeah, so we
weren't really up for likestrategizing.
No, there was no real chinwagging happening.
No.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It was like it was the last day.
We were going home the nextmorning, so this was the other.
Really, we could have found itthe next morning, but we didn't
really want to.
We were going to pack home andgo home and it was getting late.
I was bored.
I was so bored and no reception.
So I'm like every game on myphone that requires no reception

(21:11):
.
I'm playing it and that,watching a video that I
downloaded on Netflix orsomething.
Delete it and hold photos.
Yeah, Went through the cameraroll and deleted some old stuff
and I'm just watching a video.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Wait, it's meanwhile I'm keenly watching.
Hey, what were you doing?
I was like looking at everypossible angler and staring, and
so happy you were very glancingnonstop.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, I was not.
No, it was definitely not.
This is watching my phone, it'snot uncommon for me and it was
seven o'clock so it was like, ifI don't want to say it was dark
, but the sun had gone beyondthe timbers so it hadn't gone
down over the horizon, but ithad gone behind the trees and

(21:58):
wasn't far from going down thehorizon, which we still had a
few light left after that.
And I went from watching myvideo, just looked up, looked
down, and my brain said what didyou just see?
And I looked down and there wasa frickin' red deer 120 meters
away and I like, that's like, oh, I got buck fever.

(22:21):
I started shaking.
I was so nervous and I quicklyturned the video off and in turn
I actually turned it up.
But I turned it off and I gotmy camera out on the phone and
I've got a video and I'll put itup.
It's like eight seconds.
I said there's a red deer overthere.
I'm going to put the phone downnow and shoot it and then put
the phone down.
That's all I did.

(22:42):
And then I got my backpack,turned it on its side.
I was back up against the treewith a slope down in front, so
got the backpack.
Propped it up sorry, it wastall, propped it up the tall way
.
Sat the guy on top like a yolkand looked through the scope.
Couldn't find it.
Thank you, I've lost it and thenit just stepped out from behind

(23:08):
the brush.
It was behind.
How am I?
I was pumped and I was.
I can it's.
I forget a lot of things andI'm not going to forget that
feeling for a long time.
I remember just this Jack himfeeling and I'm like I'm short
of breath now Talking about itbecause it reminds me and I

(23:31):
remember nearly forgetting thestupid fundamental stuff, like I
nearly pulled the trigger anddidn't have a round in it and I
had 270 and I was happy with thegun and I knew it was on target
and I just held and I waitedand took one step and at the
time I thought it was a femalebecause I've actually blasted

(23:52):
ready then put the phone up,took the video, called it a hind
, put the phone down, pulled thegun up, go on, and then came
out again, presented and tookthe shot and saw it Do its thing
.
I don't know what you want tocall it, but like I was off, I
was like I was on, but you say,but they sort of hunch up a

(24:14):
little bit and then run forward.
I was really confident with thehit and then it went outside
down the corner and then it justwas.
It wasn't that far from me, butI couldn't see it.
I was so nervous and this thinghad just gone and I think at
that point from memory, I yelledout to you Jack, I need help.

(24:38):
That's the first thing I said.
And the second thing I saidvery quickly was good help, not
bad help, because in my mind I'mlike you've just asked for help
after firing a firearm.
He probably thinks you've shotyourself.
Does that happen?
Is it a shot?
I heard you hear.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, I heard the shot go off, but I didn't know
if the deal was going towards meand if I just popped my head up
, I'm just going to cop a secondround.
So I'm just going to wait tillyou say something.
Is there an headband, yeah,which I lost after at least.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
So anyway, I called out and you called back or
something, and I said I'm goingto go down and see it, I've got
to see it.
Meet me at the bottom inbetween you and me, sort of
wearing in the dark.
And I went around 20 or 30meters and I'm pretty sure the
next thing I said was a coupleof expletives, because I saw it
dead on the ground Turned out tobe a red spiker in velvet.

(25:41):
I just I yelled at the top ofmy lungs.
I've never done that before Iwas.
It's hard to explain what that Dmeant because it's not only
just I shot a D, right, it wasmy first red in a state forest.

(26:03):
I want to say my first red inAustralia, yeah, first red in
Australia, first red in thestate forest, first D in a state
forest.
And then I had all the stuffemotional loading from the
previous podcast stuff where Iwas jokingly but it was there.
It was there, yeah, about notbeing able to shoot stuff in

(26:25):
state forest and whatnot, andI'm always the one that was
given in the notch carry.
So I was copping a few of myback and it was nice to get that
monkey off my back and get itdone.
And then, but just to get itdone in a state forest was even
better In a short time, using askill set that I already had
from probably hunting, otherthan you saying what sit and

(26:47):
commit?
Yeah, it's not that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I did it.
The one did an advice that Ilistened to out around the
campfire.
It worked.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Anyway, it worked.
And then the next turn ofevents was pretty fun too, Cause
I got to share with Jack.
He come down and we high-fivedand listen you know high-pitched
squealing coming out of me andall sorts of things and then in
the distance we hear dodge.
Oh, he don't.
Who's that?
Yeah, and I was really otherfellas from camp.

(27:16):
Yeah, he had heard the shotcrested up over his ridge.
He was bow hunting.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, and the next valley over, coincidentally, and
crested over, called out I saidcould do with some help if
you're keen.
And he said, yeah, no worries.
So he come on down.
And then he got on his radioand he ran his other buddy and
he was another couple of valleysover and he was rifle hunting.
So he worked his way over andthen, there being four of us

(27:44):
there, and it was very efficient, oh, I'm thankful.
Yeah, now two fit guys to everfor a fit and switched on.
As far as location, I I wouldhave tracked us out the same way
we came in, but they took usout a slightly different way
because that actually flaggedthat little valley that we sat
in as promising and they weregoing to sit there, but they

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ended up going elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
He knew like a bit late getting back or something.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, and ended up going to one closer or not, or
whatnot.
So otherwise we all would havebeen hunting that and I actually
think the DEK came from yourdirection and you missed it
because I was facing me and Iwas like I think it had either
come around your bend or youknow, so I only looked up and
saw it, so actually being on myphone doing something else.
and then I would have seen thedeer pup and said come here is

(28:32):
code for Netflix and check ifyou've got a downloaded video,
because you had no reception.
So we processed it and I sayprocessed I mean physically,
because I had not processed thisthing emotionally and all fully
but we started the breakingdown.
Everyone grabbed game bags outof their bags.

(28:52):
It was a real collective effort.
It was great and it went realsmooth and I just took four
wheels and back straps and thehead and neck.
I actually still have the headat home and then I still have
the heart still in the freezer,but I still have the head and

(29:13):
everyone's like what are yougoing to do?
It's in velvet.
I was like I don't know.
I know what's going to happen.
Nubs, yeah, I don't know, theywere just nubs that I'm going to
say.
Spiker it was probably.
It would probably branch off,but it wasn't a big stagger.
I reckon it was a second head,very young, but when you boil or
macerate that just alldisappears, because this is just
balls of growth, basically ithasn't turned into bone yet.

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So I macerated him and what Iended up with was just these
basically long pedicles with abit of growth on top, two or
three inches of honeycomb.
That was cool.
I was sitting in my garden as agarden ornament, didn't make
the trophy room, but we took, weleft this high bar.
It is.
Make your trophy room, it is.
We took four legs and backstraps with hair on.
I think we just left the hairon for the quarters, is that

(30:00):
right?
Yeah, and then just ended upleaving the gut box.
I took the whole neck.
The reason I took the neck?
Because I got my favoritenearly my favorite kind of venus
.
It is also a necko which is justneck, put through the spencil
and then slow cooked and thenyou can do anything with it then
.
But and then they kept the head, because that was pretty
interesting.
So we went back to camp.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, let me just say that I miss that processing you
did was out of control, Likethe knife work was.
I was watching the whole thingand because I've never seen so I
only had one experience beforethat with myself and I guess
that's another story, but itdidn't go well.

(30:45):
Yeah, it's interesting that Ithink other than a couple of
weeks later it was pretty soonafter.
Watching you do that to thisgiant animal Was something else.
I remember you holding the backstrap and I was like going down
to your feet and it was prettycool.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's a lot of me and I was heavy.
We all took with the forest.
I think we ended up with just aquarter each and I think I had
the back straps Well, some ofthe back straps.
Then I had the head and neck.
It was a nice even load out.
It wasn't like two people doingit.
It would have been two tripsfor us.
We would have went out and comeback to.
So I feel very grateful forthose two fellas for hanging out

(31:23):
and yeah.
But it did go pretty smooth.
I don't know Everything justwent smooth.
It was a front shoulder shot, sothere was only a minimal amount
of meat damage on the shoulders.
Tucked in behind the shoulderblade.
Pull it stayed in.
So I pulled that out.
Still have that at home on themental piece Made the trophy rim

(31:43):
.
And then what else happened?
No, I was on the way out.
We sort of made a bit of a pactto not say anything when we
walked into camp and just seewhat happened and the other boys
actually got to care before usjust, and they walked in with
backpacks full of meat and hewas like oh, what happened?

(32:05):
And then finally came out that Ishot it and, yeah, it was a
good moment and it was good, man, it was good to share.
It was good to share with them.
Good share with you.
It was my first and your firsttime you'd seen a deer, my first
red deer.
Yeah, your first time you'dseen.
That's a big bug, that's whatthat meant.
And then, yeah, then we justpartied that night away.

(32:30):
There's some trivia.
Yeah, that's right, I'dorganized to do trivia and
everyone was waiting on us to doit because we shot it.
It was like nine o'clock, ninethirty or something by the time
we got back and we ended upplaying trivia at like eleven
o'clock at night.
And yeah you and I have beendown a few late nights driving
and this current one One took abit unless you've got any other

(32:54):
red deer conversation but onetook a bit of what you just
mentioned.
Your first go, oh, first go.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, okay, so that was my.
I mean that's, that was a partof the journey.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Look well, now we've skipped a few things.
I mean we'll go back to the go,because I want to say that's a
nice guy, go that things big.
And you also joined.
You went from the AustralianHeartless Club and you still
remember yeah, to which carryhouse and looked up on my.
I think I invited to down orsomething.

(33:28):
I can't remember what that wasfor, yeah.
And then you stayed and you'vehad a few people and things, but
what happened between getting alicense and then nothing range
Do you have the range?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Oh, yeah, I did a.
Oh, you spent a day with Alex.
Yeah, I did, I spent a day withAlex and we sort of walked
around the bush, saw some goats,but it was kind of late in the
day.
And then I did, like a I don'tknow what's called introduction
to rifle shooting.
Where, what's the one?

(34:05):
Western Sydney, it's?
Yes, cecil Bar, no, I don'tknow, I might exactly show what
it was, but anyway, every daykept creek, doesn't matter.
I mean you should, you go andyou should write so 50 meters.
Oh, so, mary's.

(34:26):
Yeah, that's all complex here,sorry.
So, yeah, like I.
Well, there was an issue withmy rifle and I didn't get to
shoot it.
Really, I shot a few times andthen they had to look at my
rifle and like, oh, there'ssomething wrong with the scope,
so I was using a 22 for the restof the time.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
What was running this ?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
The elevation tar was maxed out so it was just on
zero.
But yeah, there's somethingwrong with it, Still not exactly
resolved.
Extra protein going.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
No, he can leave over there.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah.
So I mean I didn't, I hadn'tshot it really, and we'll talk
about this earlier.
I mean, during this weekend, isyou do the R license, you do
all the license, safety or thestyle, all the emphasis on
safety.
No one shows you how to shoot,really.
No, you're on your own Cause.

(35:28):
Even when I was in the range, Iwas like you just don't let me
shoot this, like what's going on.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's an odd feeling.
Must be your feeling, I don'tremember it, but it must be good
.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So that brings us to the go.
Yeah, so probably not the bestetiquette of all time.
Hopefully I get a pass.
But I was going to like a men'scamp, like with church, and I
didn't know the guy who ownedthe property directly, but my,

(35:58):
my pastor did.
So I asked him hey, I knowpeople have hunted here before.
Can you ask if, if I can bringmy rifle?
And I didn't get a directanswer but I don't know what the
conversation was, so I'm like,look, I'll just bring it, I'll
let.
We arrived there early and I'lljust ask like, hey, I have the
rifles at find it.

(36:18):
And there was going to be 20people on this, 21st people on
site.
So there was a safety concern.
But he generally is, he wasokay with it.
So he said, oh, don't do it onthe Saturday morning Cause we
don't know, like this peoplestill arriving.
And then we have.

(36:38):
I had a reception there and Iwent out in the morning, just
went out to pee first thing, andI'm just, I just, you know,
lift up my head and I noticed,oh, there's eight goats.
This is South.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Coast somewhere.
You know GPS coordinates, butpretty healing country.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yes, like we're a little bit of a river yeah.
Didn't have to notice, didn'thave to name a location, but I
mean, there's a lot of area,yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
So you're on one side of the river looking at the
other side.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
No, I saw I was looking down and they're all on
the same side of the river as me.
This is just before, like thedrop off starts.
So I just, you know, I hadwhere my bono is.
I was just going to watch themand I was like, oh, I'll take a
picture of them and I sent it tothe owner, the property owner.
He's like, oh, you can shootthose.
And so all of a sudden it's on,grab the rifle.

(37:32):
And this is my first timehaving a rifle in the bush ever
and I'm by myself, so it's astrange feeling.
I ended up pushing the goats offand they went down and around
and I found them again and Iended up going around and
stalking.
I probably got around 40 meters, but I could see them though

(37:57):
down.
But directly behind them wascliff, like rock and water, and
I'm like, oh, that's, I don'tknow that I can shoot that, Like
ricochet issues and all thatkind of stuff, and the other
side of the river is not theirproperty.
So I was like, okay, I'm justgoing to do it.
I was like pretty disappointedbecause I'm like here's my
chance.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
You're a good choice, though, but not taking the shot
I would Ethically.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, ethically, I mean, I could have probably made
different decisions where Icould make an ethical shot.
But you know, I don't know whatI'm doing.
But yeah, I ended up going outthe second morning a bit more
prepared and I figured they'dprobably make the same loop and
so I went out a bit earlier andI was just so the valleys or the

(38:46):
gullies coming down to a riverand the rivers maybe 30 meters
across.
So this is cold, like this isclose to winter.
At the time it was probablylike three degrees in the
morning.
So I sit on one face andlooking at the other face and I

(39:06):
could hear him and it wasn't toolong before I could see him as
well.
And I'm like, okay, well, Iguess I should know what do I do
?
Step.
So I figured I'm not going toget that much closer to them by
going down, so I'm just going toshoot him from here.

(39:27):
I think I went 30 meters alldown and I found a nice tree
that had like a wire branch, soI just put the rifle in there
and found the goat.
It was in the crosshairs.
You know, I don't know, I wouldjust shoot it, I guess.
And I shot it and I thought Imissed because it didn't make it

(39:51):
had zero reaction.
I was like, oh, I've stoppedthis.
But then it took a knee.
I was like, oh, what's it doing?
And then it took another, andthen it rolled and then I was
just bang on the riverbed, fillin like this huge stone, and
then I was freaking out, not atall prepared for success, and

(40:15):
how about whether you rang me ortext me.
I sent you a voice mail, I think.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I sent you a voice message.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't.
I was like huffing, like I waswalking out the hill because I
was going to put my rifle back.
And this is like this is atight schedule on this weekend,
like we have to meet back forthe first session at 8am and I
think it's like 6.30 by thistime.
Yeah, so I'm like it's it's gotime and so I put my rifle away,

(40:47):
I head down with the backpackand then I was like, did I bring
someone?
I think I brought two otherguys with me because they could
hear the gunshot.
It rang out loud, so we, we, wego down and it is steep, like
you're on your bar the whole waydown, getting trails, ghosts.
That was scary Actually.

(41:07):
I'm like this is maybe not agood idea, but we got down and
then I could see the goat was onthe other side of the river and
I was like I'm going to get alittle rock like a step up, or I
could cross the river.
I needed like a, like a polevault to get across.

(41:27):
Of that.
I'm not splitting my pantsgetting across the river, but
you know, jobs on is I have ajob today is like I got to get
to this thing.
So I go across, I find the goat.
I just poke in the eye and doall the things, take a selfie.
I didn't clean it up or put itin the right place or whatever

(41:53):
but here it is.
You've got that, yeah.
And then I'm like.
I'm looking back.
I'm like there's no, I'mfeeling the weight of the goat
now.
I'm like there's no way I'mgetting across this river.
It's flowing fast and it'sfreezing.
So I have to think of somethingelse.
I don't know what I'm going todo, so I'm just dragging the

(42:13):
goat down to the beach and Ijust slipped and fall into the
river anyway.
So I'm like, oh, this is cold.
I'm still holding on to the goat, the goat wasn't Wait, not to
no, I couldn't touch you,couldn't touch the bottom, Like
in the middle, like once I gotyou a swimming yeah, I was
swimming.
So like, what are your fatstuff?

(42:35):
What was that already back?
I mean, the phone is waterproof, so as long as it stays in my
pocket it's fine.
Yeah so, yeah.
So I slipped in the water.
That part was shallow, but I'mwet.
Now I'm just going to pull thisgoat across.
So I'm swimming across and mytwo mates are on the other side

(42:56):
and they're filming.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
I was just following the videos.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah.
And then I get across and myfriends like, look, you have
like 20 minutes to get.
We need to get back up thishill before our first session
starts.
So I'm not yawning because hisstory is boring.
Yeah, we're not, we're freeright here.
I'm yawning because it's nearlytwo o'clock.

(43:20):
Yeah, and gosh.
A couple hours Sleep, that'snot yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
We're rather behind schedule, yeah, anyway, so you
drag them across the boys arefilming you and give you a 20
minute bill.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, and we got, I don't know, maybe like 200
meters to go up, steep, steepstuff.
But I'm thinking, oh, you know,I should just stay in, cut up.
But they're saying like, hey,we made it.
Everyone like agreed that we'dbe there on time, we'd be prompt

(43:53):
.
So I'm like this is but I knewhe was right, but it's news.
I didn't, I didn't want to hearit.
So what we ended up doing is wejust found a shaded area in the
river, just like an off street,put the goat in in there and
put a big rock on top.
Did you got it?
No, just a care, just nothing.
Yeah, and then just put a rock,have it in the photo.

(44:15):
Yeah, I thought like yeah, Imean like I didn't know what
would happen, like I don't.
That didn't come up in my youknow, youtube search results.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
You said you were YouTubeing what to do with the
goat when you're walking over toit.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, so we went back and we didn't have free time
until two pm, so it'd be in inthe back of my mind as though
you're really like, you're theexcitement.
Yeah, but I'm not thinking whenI ended it.
So we get some free time andI'm watching YouTube videos of
how to skin a goat, butcher agoat as I'm walking down

(44:53):
Probably a bad idea, given thetrain, but I didn't know what I
was doing and I also I didn'thave an S key.
I didn't have an S.
I think I had some garbage bagsI really did, yeah, and some
cottage and a Leatherman, yeah.
So I went down and that's wheneverything went wrong.

(45:15):
Yeah, turned into a butcher.
Oh, I didn't know if I couldcall it that, and by this time,
like the word had gone aroundand all the young kids, like the
younger adults, wanted to comeand see it, which made me extra

(45:35):
nervous, because now I'm lookingafter, like these 20 year olds
going down there, and then whatcame?
I'm like these guys are goingto fall and die On you, yeah,
just cause they want to see somedumb goat.
Yeah, we got down there and Itried to create, you know, a

(45:56):
hook to lift it up.
Epic fail the stick that I putthrough it was like bending and
it was soaking wet.
So it was.
It was heavily heavy.
Nanny, yeah, and I didn't knowit was a nanny.
I just saw what I looked at.
I saw horns and I thought oh,that's.

(46:18):
That means it's a Billy.
I literally know nothing Forfear of assumption.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, the year like that Females don't have any.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, so you get down there, hang it over like the
corner of a rock the stick, andI start butchering it and I this
.
We have some friends coming in.
Another go, is it actually?
I don't know?

(46:49):
Can you do it?
Probably Still eating?
Yeah, I Unzip it from the.
It was hanging outside and Iunzip it from the bottom up and
you know the wrong thing to do.
I think you were saying you andAlex watching it and just
having a these videos becausethese friends filmed it more for

(47:11):
comedic value.
Yeah, doing everything wrong.
It popped yeah, green girl, allthe way out and I thought, oh,
you know, big brain move, I'lljust fill up a garbage bag and
flush it out with water.
It doesn't work.
I get the garbage bag and I tipit into the carcass like the

(47:35):
open cavity and because of likewhere the breast is, it just
came out.
Just made it all back onto meand we.
I'm still on time crunch.
We have to get back to the nextsession.
It's like three o'clock orsomething yeah an hour of space,
yeah, not long.

(47:57):
So Covered in guts.
Eventually I'm like I'm justtaking the back legs, hack the
head off, I break my leg men inthe process and head back up.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
So Like a lot of warranty.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, I got it.
Yeah, I got that.
I thought you meant the goat.
I'm like what?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
do you mean I'm like it's not bad, it's not bad?
That warranty is over.
The boys had fun filming it.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
They both looked good .
Yeah, I know I stoked.
He was really happy for me,which, like, made it a lot
better.
He let me use this outdoorfridge, otherwise it would just
gone to waste because we stillhad another day there.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
And then, what did you do?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Took it out.
I buried the head, made a niceroast.
It was really good.
I was shocked.
One was in town and she wasvisiting at time.
She ate some.
She made some goat sandwiches,wife not cooking.
Yeah, she want to say it, butshe was not eating leftovers.

(49:07):
Let's just say it.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
The flavor.
We think it was the emotional.
What do you think it was sonice?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
It wouldn't be the flavor.
I think it's just all new toher.
Yeah, she doesn't quite knowwhat to make of it.
She doesn't like eatingleftovers at restaurant food, so
this is a whole different thingTo think things for someone
randomly to take on in theirfamily.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
So you take it at home, cook some stuff with it
your mum loved it and what youdo there, you bury it in the
garden.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Still doing its thing , and then that was it, that was
your first time, first time intwo weeks later, I went to
Nangdong.
Was it that close?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, that was pretty close.
So the first hunting experiencewas pretty close ago but it was
over a year to get to thatpoint of all the licensing.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well, that's what I wanted to bring up.
I touched on it with your poston Hunters Club.
You really broke down what ittook you to get to that point,
time steps and financially.
I remember that in your headRoughly some statistics.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, I mean, I mentioned first of all getting
over the demoralization of itall.
There's just no way inAustralia, it's not possible I
don't come from a huntingbackground it's not going to
happen to finally just making ithappen.
I don't think it would havehappened without Chris's Club or

(50:44):
without yourself sending methat initial voicemail.
I didn't get a real initialvoice message inviting me to
Camp and Pub for the event.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
It must have been random, I just was
cold-cold-calling?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I think yeah, and you took me up on it.
I'm not going to get a morewarm welcome than this.
I had to go and that wasprobably the hardest thing going
to that event.
I was so nervous, like you knowdoesn't get it, and I didn't
get it.
I remember I was just startingand I walked in to this dimly

(51:24):
lit pub not knowing who I'mlooking for, trying to look like
a lost dog.
Everyone looked like lost dogsat night.
I knew that you were sellingcookies, so I'm like okay,
that's a whole nother story.
Yeah, good cookies, not much.
We didn't end up talking tolike the very last bit of night.
But anyway, you know, peopletalk different than me,

(51:47):
different accents, differentthings are going on.
People are asking me what myfavorite type of deer to hunt is
, what's my favorite caliber.
I'm like just a deer from.
Like no, it's just.
That was really hard on the egothat night, but it was probably
like the best possiblesituation.
Yeah, well, got on your feet,take a leak.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I mean it turned out all right.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, it turned out all right.
I think I had to make it turnout all right, but, yeah, like,
so the whole year plus beforethat.
Getting the license, booking inthe course for the like the
safety course.
Yeah, like the storage joininga club, what about even just

(52:35):
choosing your first raffle?
Oh, I mean, this is the thingabout like this is catch 22 with
getting into hunting becauseyou don't know anyone.
You're asking the internet forrecommendations and advice and
that's almost worse becausepeople in the comments are like
disagreeing with each other.
That's the thing I guess.

(52:56):
And you don't know what tobelieve, but you don't know
anyone, so that's the best thingyou have.
See, that was another issue, andwhat happened is I got my PTA
from because I was sitting on itfor so long.
I didn't realize this or maybeI did, but I didn't just in
action it, my PTA expired and Ididn't realize you have to do

(53:21):
the.
Look how long it is again if itexpires.
So I think maybe it's 90 daysor something.
It lasts for 90 days, yeah, butyou had to do the 28 days, just
the first one.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, you have to wait the waiting period again.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, so it actually can't cut really close to the
wire before.
Yeah, first hunting event, soyeah, but I ordered in time.
But the order took ages, and soby the time the gun came in the

(53:59):
PTA had already expired.
So it was a very difficultprocess.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
You said the cost was a barrier entry.
You'd run some numbers on whatit cost you.
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, like all the gear I don't remember what do
you say?

Speaker 1 (54:19):
all the gear.
It's not like you ever got highend gear.
You're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh, you don't think so.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
No, I'm sorry, it's like sure what's left given you.
Yeah, mr Flado inside out.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, massive hole in the back.
Let me see where I can find thenumbers.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Top of the line is probably not what I meant, but
like you've got a goodassortment of camping gear that
is from your background in thebushcraft and that sort of
engine, yeah, I had to startlike gas canisters.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I don't know.
Oh, you had the thing you sleptin the hammock the hammock.
Yeah, I had to leave somehammock.
I don't know what have you got?
They will now.
The proffy's doing it now.
He's on board.
Yeah, he's the hammock man.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I saw that in the video.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I mean the hunting club's $200.
Firearm safety's $150.
License is $200.
Pta's $30.
I mean there's the scope, soit's close to 4K for everything

(55:33):
which is like upfront a big cost.
You're not following things.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
It's like I swear I said to you this thing the other
day and I hadn't evenconsidered this you might not
even like it.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, so you have to go and buy everything, get all
licenses, before you can eventry the thing.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
If you don't have, well, if you don't have friends,
you can try at a range, butit's not the same.
You can't try hunting.
There's no way to legally tryhunting and do the shooting part
in Australia.
Even on the guide situation,I'm like 99% sure.
So we can do a safari licensefor an international client, I

(56:13):
can't do one from Australianresident unlicensed.
So discrimination, you justcan't.
Yeah, it's weird, you justcan't try it.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah.
So I'm thinking now like I'minvesting all this money and
making news and we could bespending it in other places,
your offer's supportive enough.
Yeah, I think there was like agood tax return or something
like that.
But yeah, I'm thinking what ifI do this and I hate it or just

(56:44):
like, for whatever reason Idon't like it, it fizzes out.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I mean, luckily it's not, it's got to jump in the
forward a bit, a little bit.
Do you feel like you're fullycommitted and stuff out of fizz
anymore?
Or you think it's just like afiery thing and you're like it's
on?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Like, I hope not.
One of the big things was Imentioned wanting to take the
responsibility of feeding myself, but that extends to my family
as well, so I want to keep doingthat.
I like being outdoors.

(57:23):
You've done that today.
Yeah, yeah, forgive us thatthat's exciting.
Yeah, today was interesting day.
That was a long day, veryproductive, very productive.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
What did the young fellow say to some?
You said you said deep lines orsomething and he said I had a
lot of.
I can't remember what youcalled it.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Oh, ascend, descend, yeah, yeah, ascend.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
There's a lot of hills, a lot of ascending.
Today is what he said.
I think, yeah, there was a lotof hills, there's a lot of hills
here, but the whole emotions ofthe day ascended from meeting
them this morning for the firsttime, learning about them,
teaching them all day and thengoing out on the first hunt for
both of them.

(58:15):
Well, sorry, it wasn't the firsthunt for the day, but it was
the first time both of them hadthe opportunity to harvest an
animal and then both did it well, well enough, and that was a
couple of goats on the groundand it was like you're here as
doing the course as well, butfrom a friendship point of view,

(58:35):
and also thank you for all thework you do for me and things,
but you're still learning andstill I mean, well, I'd say you
sat down in the course, you didall the classwork and then you
headed out and you bought yourfirearm and everything and we
kind of ran out of puff at onepoint after the goats and we

(58:59):
decided we were coming back forwater, mostly because they'd run
out of water.
I saw the little bit left and wefinished.
And you asked me a questionabout turning off my game.
Oh yeah, eyes, because we hadenough goats.
We had enough goats, we weredone and I said and they never

(59:21):
turn off, I can't turn off mygame, eyes, I can turn off my
mouth.
That'll tell you that I've seenthings even driving up here.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Oh, I didn't know how you do it Like this lots left
so quick.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, just skill, just practice, sorry you.
Just any skill you repetitivelyuse gets stronger and knowing
I'm giving you a free tip fromthe course now but narrowing
down the places to look soyou're not wasting time looking
in the open in the middle of theday when it's hot, when you're
looking for deer that will mostlikely be in the shade, wasted

(59:55):
time.
And so when I'm driving around,you're always subconsciously
looking, looking on the brakes.
When you see things, even theycan't do anything about it, and
today was no different.
And then you ask and I turn itoff.
And I said, no, sorry,something happened after that.
And it's not that I turned itoff, I was just looking the
other direction and the youngfella was sitting in the back of

(01:00:17):
the bunny Well you saw thegoats back near camp?
Yes, well, because I hadn't gota goat yet, that's right, that's
right.
So the other guy's a chop, andwe're trying to get you a goat
today too, so that we couldspend tomorrow doing the full
ball, true stuff.
Otherwise we would have had toget up at like five o'clock
tomorrow morning, go out, comeon hunt, which is the end of the

(01:00:38):
world, but it would have madetomorrow a lot bigger day, and
they're the making tonight, ifyou can't.
So yeah, we were on our wayback and we spotted some goats
near camp and we had agreed thatwe'd go and look at them.
Whether we shot one or notwasn't yet to be seen.
Well, the answers, we didn't.
But we were just going to goand look at them, and I reckon

(01:01:00):
we drove another 200 meters or300 meters my fault.
And the young fella just saidthere's a D there, with a lot of
excitement, and I was just dear, that's that's probably what it
was dear, and I locked on thebrakes because as soon as he
said it, I just and All you justwrote what you saw.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
It was like a glowing beacon Framed up in this window
of green.
Yeah, and it's better than ourwhole, I would have said there's
a difference of black breezebecause because we saw some dead
here and For me compared to goto so much harder to see in the
landscape, I don't know why.
Well, they were any legs orwhat it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
No, well, the ones you're referencing were up on
Tussic grass, which is likebrown, green, like it blend into
their skin a lot better withtheir tan colors, and this one
had a backdrop of very darkblack ferries and in front of it
, which is, I think it was justgreen grass, and it was like
this weird.
Some was just just, yeah, weirdGap in the.

(01:02:08):
It wasn't even a clearing, butthis weird gap that led down.
We only learning about drawingvector lines and things at
school.
You'd like you learn this.
This is what it was.
It was these two channels.
Let down and pointed at thisoffering Stood there, yeah, and
that's stop standing there.
No, did not, and the arachnidtotal probably two minutes.

(01:02:31):
This thing stood there, did notmove an inch in the status, and
that was and that was.
We've got it on video, not allof it, but so at the start we
spotted it and it was standingstill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
And we're making notes.
We're in the buggy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yeah, and we're 140.
I think I'm in 38 away from so,yes, no, easy enough for it to
be alert.
I turned it off straight awayand it just went there.
So I said I think I said to youGet your gun together real
quick, because you packed up, itwas in a bag, you bag about

(01:03:07):
trigger locked it.
We were done for the day.
We're sort of heading back on amode, on a mode taking your
ever, and I said get your guntogether real quick.
If you can have a shoulder thatyou can take it, if you feel
comfortable taking a shoulder,that you can take it, and then
you can talk, you can tell therest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I mean, as soon as you made the offer, like all I
could see was red, yeah, greenit was on, yeah, so great green
guy.
Yeah, let's get it down.
So it's fapping around a bit.
You know I'm trying to be quiet, but I thought this thing was
gonna run me was an alert.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I think I have to look the footage.
I'm pretty sure it's fun.
Foot was like bent, like I'mthree legs on the ground ready
to run.
No, I don't look, but so I'vegot the camera set up next to me
.
Yeah, yeah, so I have to lookit back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
So I'm gearing, set up a million.
I don't really remember.
I think you were talking to me,but I'm not really listening.
Well, it's all on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It's in the audio of the camera.
I said Make sure you feelcomfortable.
If you don't feel comfortable,don't rush it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
So I think in my mind I'm like what does that mean?
Like because, because I havesuch limited shooting experience
, I'm like what's uncomfortable,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
This is like you were something.
You were standing and You'releaning the left hand side of
the rifle Against the frontpillar of the buggy and shooting
across the bonnet.
No, that's the description ofhow it happened.
And I suppose by saying that, Imean, do you feel confident in
the shot you're about to take,knowing that you're on the ever

(01:04:47):
shot one animal before?
So, yeah, I don't really know.
There's something I would sayto everyone, but, in fairness to
you, it's like what does thatactually mean?
Yeah, what's your baseline ofwhat comfortable even is?
So fair point, yeah.
And then that's somethinghappened.
I said what happened and you,like, all my magazine wasn't in,

(01:05:07):
or I think you're cycled orsomething, and oh, yeah, I
didn't cycle in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
There's nothing in that, so Do you still stand in
there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I'm like, oh what, what position is good?
Because I'm like the angle ofthe buggy is a little bit, it
does enough.
It was something to sit on.
So I'm like, should I do this?
Should I do this Fapping around, and then I zoomed in the scope
and I lost it on the scope.
So you know, redid that and Iwas still there and I'm like,

(01:05:40):
well, you know I wasn't doingthis.
And the crosshairs, I'm on it.
That's description ofcomfortable rather than yeah, I
mean it didn't feel good like itdidn't feel bad, it just the
just animal crosshairs.

(01:06:00):
What, what else do you need?
Yeah, so you took the shot andAgain, I don't really know like
if I hit it or not.
I think it was pretty obviousthat I hit it could.
It was a running and I couldsee it.
You know, linking a little bit,but it was going quick.
Yeah, how far it?
Maybe around out there looklike 100 meanness.

(01:06:22):
No, there was more than that.
We're going along on that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I think it was closer to 200 and there was a it was
so Italian some steep stuff, ohyeah, so how they do that, I
knew you hit it hard.
I could hear the shot like soit makes enough.
You heard or you've ever heardit or noticed it, but it's a
solid thought, what it hits, Idon't remember hearing, I didn't
even hear it.
It's just a it makes that andthat's what you hear back after

(01:06:46):
the shot.
So I knew it was a good hit andI was watching on the screen.
I wasn't watching throughbottles, I was all concerned
about trying to fill the dangthing because it looks so pretty
.
And then it ran.
But I could tell it was hitfrom the bottom and I think it
made about 200 meters and atthat point I forgot to move the
camera, so the camera was stillpointing it.

(01:07:08):
Where you shot it and I workedthe camera back up Was to zoomed
in, zoomed out, found thatagain zoomed in, just in time
for it to run its last four orfive meters and then I think it
tripped and it turned back onitself and then ended downhill
and then it went downhill andthen it went downhill and then
it went downhill and then I wentdownhill and then I went a

(01:07:32):
little bit more downhill and itrolled and then went out of our
sight down into the bottom ofthis little ravine or little
creek at the bottom.
That was a fair few of my films.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I don't remember anything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I think that's probably high five.
Yeah, there was high fives andfist palms and yeah, waco, jacko
, I called you, did ya?
Okay, jacko, put the smack downon it.
Yeah, we were all stoked andYoung fella in the back was
stoked because he saw it.
Yeah, I was stoked to see younot complete that part, but to

(01:08:10):
do it.
And there was always the briefconversation on this trip off.
It's just before the rut.
We're here for a goat hunt.
Really, what are we gonna do ifwe see a buck?
What are we gonna do if we seea buck?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
You asked that question early.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah, it's been on my mind for a while coming into
this trip, because, yes, it's agoat hunt and I want these guys
to have a good experience.
But I'm also conscious of Ifsomeone shoots a buck on their
first experience Into hunting.
It nearly gives them a falsesense of that's normal and I

(01:08:47):
don't Like I want to say that abeginner's deserve that straight
away, which might sound weird,it's probably weird and it's
probably not even the right wayto say it, but I just feel like
you need to pay your dues firstWell, nearly, and it worked well
for you.
It was the right time for youand it put in the hard yards for

(01:09:10):
two years now, nearly, sinceyou started, and that's why I
said to you it's your turn.
The other guys had shot anywaytoday, so, and they were not
disappointed in how it, theywere stoked.
So it was.
Yeah, I thought it was a run.
So we parked up the buggy andleft it there and we headed down

(01:09:32):
.
We fed a dead goat which is odd,that's stunk and we headed down
and there's probably only Twothirds of the way down to the
bottom and he was up the otherside and I said to the other
guys I said this is gettingpretty rough.
You didn't hear this becauseyou were really stoned off,
because you were full ofadrenaline chasing this dream.
I said it's pretty rough downhere.

(01:09:53):
You might want to just hangback at the buggy and we'll find
it and let you know how thetraverse goes, instead of
bringing the unfeller down.
And so they did, they went backand sat on a tree and sort of
watched us walk in, hadn't gotthe walkie-talkie, but then we
got to the bottom, oh, wecouldn't see him.
And again, I'll ask you foryour description, because my

(01:10:15):
description is just going to beblackberries everywhere.
That's your favoritedescription, thought it was
going to be more poetic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Well, it came down and we didn't see how steep it
was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
At the last 50 meters Really dived off Both sides too
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
There's actually a really nice river Like Greek at
the bottom, but pretty hardaccess wise.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, dropped in on both sides and I reckon there
was Maybe 10 or 15 meters ofblackberries up the side, thick,
dense and just ouchy.
But then slightly to the right,by end, where I dropped in was
like an old slide that was slipand it had wiped out the
blackberries.
The ground had collapsed.

(01:10:59):
But I wanted to replace it withscotch sizzle and that was thick
but it was thin enough that wecould walk through it and
thought we'd walk through thatand just crest over, Not crest,
because it was still steep.
It was the last little bit ofblackberries at the top and then
we'd be out of the blackberriesBecause it was clear on the
other side.
But once we got to that pointit was like an impenetrable.

(01:11:20):
All the blackberries Like dead.
But you couldn't climb itBecause it was so steep.
For those watching like that,For those listening, just pitch
us deep and then add some moresteepness and then you're a
little bit steep on that.
There was dead blackberriesJust covered it like a carpet.
So you couldn't climb itBecause it would just rip you to

(01:11:42):
shreds and you'd hand and knees.
Anyway, I looked to my left andthere's a game trail, Not just
a normal game trail.
This thing was a tunnel.
There was an arachn 700mm high,600mm high and maybe 800mm wide
, With again a slope to it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
And two Nonsense Maldeds.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Great, yeah, we're in the X's of the L's In the
sizing of things.
And once we had backpacks on,we had to get them through.
So we just said that's it, it'sgot to go that way, we can't go
up, it's too dangerous.
And I went first to put thebackpack down and I was using
that.
So I put it down and then putmy hands on that and shuffled
and my knees probably still gotBlackberries thorns in there, my

(01:12:25):
hands, my knuckles hurting,because I had one go right in
and it might even still be inthere, but it went into the
joint Because I felt it runnin'through my finger and just
stayed in there.
Anyway, we got through there,perked out the other side and
again it's super steep.
I'm wearing a steeper this timeand you're lower boots and I

(01:12:45):
know you're running low as toman, though like Not sponsored
by lower.
If they want to, I'll talkabout it.
It's so accountable, like itwas one of the steeper sides
I've done in Australia, and youjust put your boot in like that
and the hills like that, andit's comfortable.
I'm just walkin' Becausethey're so stiff, which is not a

(01:13:06):
good thing In some situations,but I'll steeply stuff.
I mean, I felt really confidentIn that situation, anyway.
So I feel Maybe I was slumpin'in there.
You should've been.
I was nervous for a year.
Well, I was like where are you?
Or because I was pushin' a bithard.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Or I could see like, and it was not, the ground was
loose, yeah, and there was not alot to grab on to.
And what was to grab a shot?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Yeah, you didn't want to go on to.
I didn't realise that at thetime, maybe I was pushin' a bit
hard, just wanted to find thedang thing.
Anyway, we're side here ladalong and I came across.
Well, we were kind of not lost,but we were looking for a
reference point and we werewatching the video back, tryin'
to find where this thing haddied Well or had tumbled, and we

(01:13:50):
found a tree and it would look,you know, very unique and
whatnot.
So we were looking for that, andbefore I even saw that though,
I crossed over a section thathad just been turned up and I
looked up and looked out, andthen you could see a bit of
blood go down, and then I couldsee the blackberries at the
bottom.
The leaves had turned over.
I'm like, okay, we're disturbed, he's in there.

(01:14:13):
I should've gone see himBecause, again, super steeped
down.
But once he got to theblackberries it was his left
face and that's where he droppedin.
So instantly we just said weneed rope.
What have we got in our bags?
And I pull out this prettypurple bit of Paracord that's

(01:14:33):
like three metres long, and thenanother roll of deluq cord from
my bow, which is probably 20metres long.
And then you were there with aprofessional piece of Proper
paracord and we dropped ourpacks and we started descending
down.
That was worse.
And then we realised we stillcouldn't see him and he was down

(01:14:56):
somewhere in that channel, butnot at the bottom, because we
walked at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
And couldn't see, we would've walked straight past it
.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
And we realised we couldn't do it.
There was no recovery fromthere, there's no way to pull it
out, there was no way to see it, and it was just the
blackberries, without having atarp or something to put down To
get onto.
Just absolutely deal with thefact You're going to get munched
by worries.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
And no right blackberries on the bushes
either.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
It was terrible.
It was kind of bad on theupside.
It was weird.
They were like in a shoulderseason.
They were either dried up blackones or dried red ones.
It's the back end of the season.
They just haven't ripened upand I don't know if they will.
I think they'll say red andthen die off, but couldn't get
to.
So the initial, the instantrealisation Was not only that we

(01:15:47):
couldn't get him, it was we hadto get back through the tunnel.
That was in my head.
I'm like that's the worst partof the situation.
Now he's going back throughthat stupid tunnel because I
thought we were going to findhim, get some photos, chop him
up and walk out that side, whichwas steeper.
But he didn't have to go back.

(01:16:07):
He didn't have to go back, itwasn't the case.
Back through the dang tunnel,out the other side, down the
bottom.
He found some.
He did some vindicating I'mscared, it works really well.
It does work well.
And then not that it matters.
When you've got a deer on theground, we're going back.

(01:16:29):
He'll find the deers.
No, no, the deers.
We went down the bottom.
We went along to where we knewhe was.
Still couldn't see I was, untilI don't know if I forgot what
my book was.
I didn't have any.
You spotted him, that's right,and there's just like a fraction
of white, like a tiny littlebit of white between the
blackberries.
It was, you know, this sort ofsize, and that was it.

(01:16:52):
We found him.
Well, who Couldn't get him out?
I still couldn't get him outbecause he was up a cliff and I
would stand at the base of thecliff and reach into the
blackberries and I was stillnearly a meter away from him.
So you can't have the crackeron the deer.
I'm getting you.

(01:17:12):
I got my rod sticks trying tobash it down and whatnot wasn't
working.
You threw your backpack and welaid your backpack down and then
I got up a bit further and Iwas like 400 mil, 500 mil, foggy
legs and what had happened?
Because he'd slid down the hill, he piled up all the
blackberries with him and thenthey'd caught him at the bottom
in a net.
So he had them over him andunder him and around his legs

(01:17:34):
and he was just in this basketholding him there.
It was a wicked.
It was a wicked, wicked.
Yeah, it was a terrible net.
So you got me a stick it waslong and then curved and came
back on itself like hook aseparate branch.
And with that in your bag, Iwas just able to hook his leg

(01:17:54):
and pull his, get his toesuntangled enough to get it to me
to grab it.
Now I thought, ah, cool, I'vegot it, it's going to be over.
No, he was still so stuck inthere, I was yanking and then in
my mind I'm like I'm on a cliffcovered in blackberries and
he's just going to come andstrut over me.
Yeah, that's what I thought wasgoing to happen.
Finally he bit his way outbutch, butch, butch and meel me

(01:18:18):
out of time.
Halt, doubt.
Flop down to the floor.
Yeah, into the room.
And it was beautiful.
We was always beautiful.
But yeah, me is a pretty buckand you don't realize what
you've shot.
No, he's sitting here on theground next to us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
So he put some photos up.
But yeah, oh yeah.
Well, you don't remember, dude,where what?
Just remember you kicked backin on the fine details.
Oh, cutting it out.
Yeah, yeah, all right.
So later, once the cut upstarted, yeah, so we got on the

(01:18:57):
ground and we got some photosand did all that stuff and
decided what you're going to dowith it.
So I did to go for a flat skin,Rob trivia, yeah, what's his
skin called West kid's skin baby.
And you're going to do yourroom out?
Yeah, so that's about all youcan fit in an apartment, well,

(01:19:17):
in an entire house or whateveryou're doing.
Yeah, but then the butcherystuff.
It didn't go as well as the red.
Not, there was any problem, butthere was only the two of us.
Yeah, sorry, but they werethere in spirit.
They were there to watch andthey watched.
Oh well, they got the extramodule.
They did get there.

(01:19:39):
Actually, he asked me Tony,what's in module two?
I was like much like module onetoday, because he got stuff
that wasn't supposed to be inthere and he, like he's just
pre-wrote, I reckon he's 110kilos.
We were struggling to move him,so we did full body skin.
We ended up hooking him up at atree.
To a certain extent I waspicturing being able to rip the

(01:20:02):
hide off, but we only hadparacord and a dodgy bit of
stick, so every movement we madethat required a bit of pull
down.
We heard a creep or a crackfrom the branch that was only
just holding on between thesethings, so that wasn't actually
that helpful.
Full skin off, or at least downto his shoulders, and then it
got at him so we could lose someweight to lift him higher.

(01:20:24):
And this is both of us, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Fair little shipping away Eagle Hawk Talons.
He's doing a pretty average joband we switch out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Swap sides and he'd do a lot of sliding.
Jack got a ruined over here Oneslide scene and he'd say I'm
doing all right over here, thislooks good.
I'm like, yeah, because you'rein my section.
So I followed his robe and youdo get the skin and it looks
like a checker's board.
Yeah, because there's like noreal clean section and you're
messy part.
But we got it done and what'dyou find under the skin?

(01:20:56):
Oh, a bullet Perfect 270.
I shooed him up on the otherside.
It's great.
Same thing on the root yeah,yeah.
Yeah, that worked for him.
I found that tooth.
So another little keepsake foryou.
But then it got dark and we hada few rainstorms all down there
.
Just clouds come over and every20 minutes, yeah, like two or

(01:21:18):
three minutes of decent rain.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Enough to make you think about getting your jacket.
That was dark by the time wefinished.
I think it was nine o'clock bythe time we lift the bottom, or
just before nine.
Yeah, headlamps on.
And because the other twofellas came down not really
fully grasping the situation,they actually just came down
with their waterfalls BuckyDon't carry 77 headlamps and

(01:21:43):
everyone got a headlamp.
You get a headlamp now.
It's like Oprah Everyone got aheadlamp and we walked out and
got to the buggy but there was aheavy pack out.
It was steep, exit steep.
I heard it.
I heard back leg, front leg andsomething else Pasta on my back

(01:22:05):
.
You had back leg, front leg,skin and head.
That was a heavy thing I carriedin a pack Column the burn
opening a friend with me as theperson who shoots it.
You get to carry the best parts.
And then the other guys one guycarried the back straps and hit

(01:22:26):
the back straps over the back.
So yeah, that was a big day andyou saw, it's a good saw.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
That's a good saw.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Yeah, it's a good fun it's the one that you can have
found now, not at the time.
Yeah, the long bird front.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I was having a bad time, but my body was saying hey
, stop, I'm here, give me sugar.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Yeah, we could have done it at the top.
I ran into water on that lastwalk out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yeah, you ran out of candy, oh well, yeah, and I
filtered some water down there.
Thank goodness there was some.
I don't know if it was flyingwater, but I filtered it anyway.
I was sowing.
I'm not sick now, so yeah, it'sfine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
It might be the last time you see Jack, so now I'm
super pumped to have you here.
I appreciate your assistance,but I'm super pumped for you to
enjoy that because you earned itand deserved it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
So yeah, after letting you get that one, I
apparently couldn't see that thered go through.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
You don't even get the one you hadn't seen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yeah, so now this is payback.
Yeah, it's awesome it's.
I didn't even know what to makeof it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Really, I'll take you some time to work that out?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Yeah, I just like it.
I think, like, because I'vebeen I'm not like overjoyed, I
think it's been working for solong to make it happen.
I'm just like, oh yes, this isit.
Yeah, this is it Like and I'monly just starting, which is a
crazy part.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Yeah, emotion-wise, I think you and I are similar in
that we can be happy withoutshowing our teeth, Like we don't
have to be, like this isamazing.
It's like.
This is cool.
Yeah, it's just fun.
It's what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
This is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
And yeah, it'll sink in and I can't wait to see it.
Look on your kids' faces Like Ireally don't want you to tell
them on the drive home.
I want to just because I'm surethey're probably going to be
with your wife and she picks youup.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Well, this is the last time.
We just dropped me off atCostco and then they picked me.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
I think they dropped all your stuff in a trolley,
including like dope, yeah,whatever it was, there were bags
of red, do you think?
Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
I don't know if it was from Costco.
I don't know if it was fromCostco, oh dear.
But yeah, we'll see whathappens this time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
I nearly want to make them drive to my house, just so
I can see their reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
I'm going to be so stoked for you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
It's cool when I'm stuck and this place is awesome,
like if people have a chance tocome out here, then we've seen
some critters, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Oh man, this place is flowing Like.
I'm not yawning now because Ipeek in, because it's a cool
story and whatnot, but when wegot here the other morning or
also UFOs, that's a side storyLike I don't even think I'm
ready to talk about it.
I'll probably tear up becauseit was weird.
There were some super weirdlights in the sky that we got
videos of and not great videos,because that's you can never get

(01:25:30):
good videos at your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Oh, and using biners to watch men.
That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
They were new discoveries.
We were like so awake, it's 2am.
Yeah, I know, it must have beenlater.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I think it was 3.30 by the time I went to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yeah, I think it was 3.30 when I started seeing those
lights.
Anyway, side topic, but no, Inow forgot where it was going to
be.
Oh, we got up early the morningto set up.
We're up at 6.30.
And we couldn't set up becauseI just looked through the biners
and I'm like Jack, there'sD-Row here and he'd come over
and have a look and he's likeJack, the door is just D down
here.

(01:26:01):
However, this one and yeah, itwas cool that's the most D-Row
I've seen in one morning session.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Really yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
We were up to it.
So I'm excited for that becausethese guys are turning up.
We found this guy we shot himwas not far from his scrape.
He had a little scrape.
He just started down the groundso it was interesting.
He's full coloured.
He's been rubbed out for awhile and there's some rubbs
just around camp and he wasn'tthat far from camp so that
wouldn't have been him and Idon't know what it was going to

(01:26:34):
be.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Anyway, it's exciting .

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Congratulations.
Thank you very much.
No, it's good.
I look forward to enjoying itwith you for the future.
Anyway, that's it.
We've got to cover the night.
It's time we go to bed.
So thank you for being here,thank you for watching,
listening.
Until next time, have a goodnight, good night.

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