Unlocking Tasmania: Fishing Adventures, Lure Science, and pie eating competitions with Dylan and Hooch from the Snagged Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Music, the fact that there is so much fishing
experiences crammed intoAustralia.
I think that's why we just getabsolutely hammered.
And there's so many differenttypes of lures.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Like certain times of the year, trout will attack
pretty much anything, sometimesthe year in that clean what they
call gin clear water.
They're very, very tricky, butI mean Australian salmon if you
get them in a little bit ofmoving water, as long as you
turn and burn.
We call it turn and burn.
Throw a halco slice, rip itthrough where you think they are
and you'll get some fish.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I fear that if they did go down and say, hey, we're
going to be live baiting andthere'll be people in the
fishing community, they're like,oh okay, like yeah, I don't
live bait.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
um, doesn't really affect me specifically and not
fight against that's.
This is the thing that, andit's just a domino yeah, it's,
it's absolutely crazy and it's avery worrying situation.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Welcome back Accurate Hunts, a Life Outdoors.
Now, it's not very often I talkto other podcasters it's
actually a lie.
I speak to a couple but theseguys popped up.
Maybe it was the $3,000 theysent on sponsored posts or
something, I'm not sure.
But in every page that I'm on,in every feed in Instagram, in
Facebook, the world was tellingme I need to talk to some guys

(01:27):
from Tasmania and they were busy.
But I got on.
Dylan and Hooch from the Snagpodcast, welcome boys G'day.
Thanks for having us, noworries.
So these guys have set up aweekly podcast down there, which
you know.
Good luck to you.
That's hard to belt out.
I've been on that weekly frontand it's a fishing-based podcast

(01:49):
which interests me greatlybecause I am a horrible fisher
person or a fisher them, as somewould say and you know I've got
you on to pick your brains.
Hooch has got a bit of huntingbackground.
Dylan's got not a whole lot ofbackground, he's only 12.
Basically, he's only 12.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Basically.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
He looks like he is.
To be fair, he's 20.
Yeah, 20.
We're still yet to see anyshaving happening.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
He's still got a two in it.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, exactly, he does have a two in it.
So we're going to rip throughsome stuff tonight.
We're going to have some fun.
I want to talk about how itworks in Tasmania your guys'
background fishing in generaland then a couple of specialty
stuff.
I know you guys do a lot oftrout stuff as well, so that
definitely interests me.
I have a lot of them local towhere I am and it's something
I'm interested in pursuing.

(02:37):
So if we can get a littleelevator pitch 10-second,
20-second 30-second intro onDylan.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
You rip in and then I'll go across to hooch, right,
well, my name is dylan richards.
As we mentioned earlier, I runfish australia, which is like a
social media platform on youtubeand all of that and, uh, do
like fishing videos all aroundtassie, mainly trout fishing,
but like do inshore saltwaterfishing as well as a little bit

(03:09):
offshore whenever I can.
But yeah, recently jumped onthe snag podcast with hooch and
Tom and Dean, which aren't onthe podcast today, but yeah,
it's pretty good, pretty fun.
But yeah, hoosh, how did youmeet those guys so pretty much

(03:29):
about six years ago when I was,oh God, even younger than 12.
Yeah, about six.
No, I was about 14.
And I think I had like 50subscribers and was down Hobart
actually watching footy and wentinto the Fisherman's Shed which

(03:49):
is Tom's tackle shop downHobart and just went in there
and cried wolf and said oh, I doYouTube videos and a little
squeaky voice and Tom loved itand he just sort of watched me
just take it as a step and stepand step and step and ended up
sort of getting closer andcloser to working with Tom and

(04:11):
stuff like that.
And then last year he had aperson fall out last minute for
AFTA, which is a big fishingtrade show which we just got
back from in Goldie, and he hadsomeone fall out and he sent me
a message like on a monday nightsaying is there any chance you
can get the rest of the week offand come to hobart like

(04:32):
tomorrow night and go to goldieand do a heap of promo work for
me?
And yeah, it's just dylan'slike yeah, yeah, on my way I've
got Got the wake off.
Let me ring the school and seeif I can get off.
Yeah and yeah, pretty much justwent from there and Dean is a

(04:54):
close mate of Tom's.
And then Hooch just sort ofjust wandered in, just lurked
into the background and here heis.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Murchie Hooch.
What's your background?
How did you end up in this?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
crew.
Just before I start I mightmention that you do a range of
lures as well Dylan trout luresbut I won't go right into that,
people can look for themthemselves.
I got mixed up because Tomasked I should say no to people

(05:28):
a lot more.
My dad would say that becausehe's always mentioning how tall
my lawn is and my yard needs tobe tidy.
But Tom just asked and I saidyes.
So a bit of my background.
I'm Tassie Vaughan and bred.
I grew up with a fishing rod inone hand and an air rifle in
one the other, and then lifejust gets in the way, um, you

(05:51):
know, with work and raising yourown family, but over the years
I've had a real healthy mix ofuh motorbikes and four drives
outdoors fishing and hunting.
Um, I worked in some trades andthen I worked at a paper mill,
which was shift work whichallowed me to get away a bit.
It was a pretty good roster.
And then that wound up and I wasasked to help those people that
lost their jobs into new rolesand then I made my own job when

(06:14):
that finished.
That was a contract and Ibecame a sales agent for fishing
and hunting gear, which I quiteenjoyed, and now I work for a
peak body called Tarfish.
So we're responsible and liketo be the conduit to 130-odd
thousand recreational fishers inTasmania, so that's my day job.

(06:35):
I've got to be fairly carefulbecause I have to play a fairly
straight bat and make sure I getmy foot out to the line of the
wicket on most days with that,whereas normally my life is
about rocking back onto the backfoot and just carting everyone
over the back fence.
So I have to sort of be verysuccinct and politically correct
at times.
But I'm off the chain tonight,so anything could happen.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, and they're probably not listening to me.
So you know we can Look out.
She's go time.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
We can delve into where did Hooch come from as a
nickname?
People think it's drugspredominantly, but it's not.
I was in the surf club in 1988.
I was sitting out, I was grade10, and I was sitting outside of
the surf club and this big,burly, bikey-looking dude said
have you ever rode a surf boat?
And I said no.
And he said well, you do now.
And he practically picked me upand dragged me like a kitten,

(07:30):
because he was a fairly big dudeI wasn't a small chap but he
was way bigger than me and hedragged me out to what they
called the bronze medallion.
And they were two days into itand I had to play some catch up
and I got my bronze medallionand became a surf boat row,
which I thoroughly enjoyed.
It was some of the greatesttime of my life rowing surf
boats and being in the surf club.
And, um, the guy that fixed thesurfboards, the, the
paddleboards and the surf skistook his missus out at the time
to a movies in uh might havebeen 89 when Turner and Hooch

(07:51):
came out and about two dayslater he said I'm going to
nickname you Hooch.
I said what is that?
And he said well, I watchedthis movie and you remind me of
the dog.
Anyway it stuck and he neverreally said why.
But months later, when it cameout on VHS that's how long ago,
dylan, you ever seen a VHS?
Wouldn't have thought so.

(08:12):
And so you wouldn't even see theDVD, would you Dylan?
Anyway, I watched it on CDs.
I watched it and I wasmortified because I wasn't sure
whether it was because Idribbled as much as that dog or
what.
But it was no, it was becauseof the way the dog eats and runs
around busting.
Apparently that was me.

(08:33):
So it's Stark.
Poor.
Mum gets Mrs Hooch, dad gets MrHooch.
No one knows my name, kelly.
I've had mates that were like20-year friends ring me up and
say oh Hooch, apparently youknow some Kelly Hunt person
that's got old Falcon parts.
I said Glenn, that's me, youidiot.
Oh, all right.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
So yeah, that's where that comes from.
Do you have any nicknames,dylan?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Not really Just so.
Do you have something?
Oh wow, here we go again.
No, just pretty, I thought youwere keeping it clean.
Sorry, yeah, you're the oneperson that asked.
I caught fish in Australia afair bit, two jetties Fish a
fair bit, but nothing really.
Just fish in Australia isbasically it, or just Dylan.

(09:18):
Really, how about you?
Do you have any?
The boys have?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
told me that.
Well, I'll get to that in asecond.
The boys have told me that,like a fish, you've got some
pretty colours and pretty youknow pictures on the side of you
, a bit like a nice littlerainbow trout.
Or your coloured stickers,tough stickers.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, you've got a couple of questionable ones, but
it's funny we can get therelater on.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
How funny.
Now Keep your shirt on.
I think Exactly.
Look nickname-wise for me.
I've never said this publiclyout loud, but Dodge isn't my
real name and I don't need totell you what it is.
But most people don't realisethat and it stemmed from my dad.
He called me that when I wasborn.
Like that was his nickname forme my whole life, and it wasn't

(10:03):
until I started working with himwhen I was 17, 18 I suppose, 18
or 19.
Um, we did fencing he's afencer, went to work with him
and everyone started calling methat and then I got into the
hunting and it stuck.
I ran with that.
I don't actually remember atime where I said I'm gonna run
like change name from real nameto nickname, but it just became

(10:24):
a thing and now it's.
No one knows me as anythingelse and I kind of like to keep
it that way.
Not that it matters, I justlike it better than my real name
.
But the where it come from ismy.
My dad's an elvis fan andelvis's grandma used to be
called grandma dodge, so I'mnamed after an old lady there,
there you go, let's go.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And it's funny nicknames, I mean, they'll stick
.
Yeah, yeah, I mean Dodge works.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I've done a lot of work in the States and it's a
memorable name for them, becauseDodge car is much more of an
icon over there, yeah.
Oh, you're the Aussie guy,dodge.
Like it's just, everyone knewit.
Yeah, so it was easy it's.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's funny like that like when we were, um, when we
were up in gold coast and wewere doing all these little
promo videos, like it was alwaysjust oh, it's bubba, bart's
dylan, or fish australia fromsnag podcast.
And then what we were lookingat and like I didn't even know
what I was saying when I waslike, oh, it's dylan from snag

(11:23):
podcast, it's just like I'm soused to saying it's fish
australia.
It's like who the hell is dylan?
It's just, whenever I'm behindthe camera, it's just fish
australia, fish australia, it'sjust nothing else.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
It was so weird to actually go oh the only people
that the only people that callmy real names a couple of people
at church, mom and the wifewhen she's cranky at me or
something.
My son actually ran up thehallway the other day yelling
out my name, like he's two, sohe usually just calls me dad and
he come running up the hallwaysaying my name.
It was, I recorded.

(11:54):
It was very funny, just.
And you know, we um at ourchurch, we, you know, if you
come to the church we would callyou um, like the kids would
refer to you as Uncle Hooch orUncle Dylan.
So he, because we go to churchand everyone calls me, you know,
uncle Dodge then he thoughtthat was my name, like.
So he would talk to me and say,hey, uncle Dodge, I'm like.

(12:17):
No, I'm your dad, like I'm notyour uncle.
It's hard to explain that whenthat's what they hear you get
called.
How was AFTA?
So is that a?
What does it stand for?
First?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Australian Fishing Tackle Association, so the
Australian Fishing.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Tackle.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Association sort of controls the industry and they
have members.
So the members arepredominantly the stores and
also the manufacturers andimporters.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
So is it open to public or trade only?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Never used to be, but last year and this year, and I
think they will do it.
It's a four-day conference,with the last day being open to
the public, and it's quite asuccess.
I think there was 4,000 peoplethere and Dylan, we missed out
on it, but you would have notedlast year how good it was.
Could they shop or just look?
No, they got free stuff andsome giveaways and some prizes,

(13:07):
but no shopping.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, we didn't do the open day last year either.
Oh, didn't you?
No, after like two or threedays of walking around looking
at a thousand fishing lures,it's nice to just have a day to
relax and realise you're in GoldCoast, you're not in Tassie,
it's not five degrees, andactually just do something other

(13:33):
than just look at fishing gearand go on.
What?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
would you do Go down to Cave Ave and check out the
meter maids?
Did you go out while you wereup there?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, maybe Are you even legal allowed.
You were up there.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, maybe Are you even legal allowed to drink up
there.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Dylan did go out, but given the nature of this
podcast, I don't think we shouldgo into too much detail of what
Dylan got up to, what we did doone night, and I'll let you
listeners know if they're everin that Broadbeach area.
There was a place that we foundaccidentally called the Vault
Vault and we're sitting thereand the Vault, and we're sitting
there and there's a guy on thepiano and because of the bifold

(14:11):
doors well, they're more thanbifold there was five or six
panels, so whatever that is folddoors and we couldn't really
see too much.
We could see the big piano andthe bloke on the piano was good
and he had a great voice and itwas like a heap of range and I
was like, wow, and we're tryingto get a look.
And the people sitting next tome could see and they said, well
, he's the chef.
I'm like what do you mean?

(14:32):
He's the chef.
So we moved and he's got thechef kit on proper chef kit,
with the chef hat, and wethought, well, that's a bit
random.
Anyway, our food came out and wedidn't think much of it, it was
just tapas and we ordered somestuff to share and we got into
it.
I think the boys were prettyhungry.
And then, all of a sudden, Iturn around and here's the guy
with the chef kit on the guitar,playing the guitar with his

(14:53):
mates, with Jimi Hendrix, andbelting out these songs.
He was phenomenal, wasn't heDylan?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, he was good and harmonica at one stage too Just
pulled everything out.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
He on stage two just pulled everything out.
He was sensational.
So if you get up there to theBrodie check, out the vault.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I'll put it on the to-do list.
Have you got any hidden talents, Dylan?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Musical skills Not really musical.
I used to dabble in footy, butthat got in the way of fishing,
so now she's just full fishingevery weekend.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So I'm looking forward to it.
How is footy skills musical?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
He said hobbies.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh, I thought he just said musical skills, I've got
zero.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
No hidden skills.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh, hidden skills.
I've got zero musical talent,but I am the world record
film-only pie-eating champion.
I got that down to 27.53seconds.
If anyone can eat two film-onlypies and drink a can of Coke,
you know, under that they canhave at it.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah right.
Did you get a photo on the wallof plaque, or is that a gold
thing?
Video.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Every time I walk in he gives me a free pie.
So I know this is not shootingor fishing.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well, we haven't even done any shooting or fishing
yet.
I know, I know it's crazy 15minutes in.
I love food talk.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
So let's go.
Well, back in the surf clubdays there was Justin Phoebe.
He was a dear mate of mine,no-transcript.

(16:32):
She said well, I want to drivedown to the supermarket.
Anyone want to come and give mea hand?
I'm like yep, I mean the tank,mambo tank top and some surf
shorts, bare feet off, I, off Igo.
And so she ducked off the otheraisles, none of my business,
and they had this bit of a thingfilm man.
He was doing a bit of apromotion and it was a pie
eating thing.
And I'm just hiding because atthat stage I didn't do anything
in front of a microphone orcamera at all.

(16:54):
At that stage I was notinterested.
Anyway, the guy that washelping him spotted me and he
used to run the local umtakeaway store and he said, oh,
there's kelly, because I wasn'thooched to him.
Then he goes here's Kelly, ayoung lad from Forth.
He's pretty good on the tooth.
We'll get him out of here, soout I went.
Long story short, I obliteratedthat field.
They were eating them in likethree minutes two pies, two warm

(17:15):
pies and a can of Coke in threeminutes, and I'd done it full
of muffins from the breakfast inabout a minute and ten.
And so that was that and I won.
I got a couple of days beforeChristmas we were doing a thing
at the surf club and there was abig esky and some towels and
all this pies and Coke and thisbig Coke umbrella and I gave it

(17:37):
away.
I don't think I've got a thingto show for it.
But then many, many years laterI heard that a big New Zealand
guy beat my time and went 52seconds.
That was fair enough.
I didn't think much of it.
But then many, many moons laterhe shut down.
He had pie stores around thestate.
He shut down and he started upagain in Coiba, devonport and he

(18:00):
said he had a bit of a promoabout his pie eating and I was
about to have a gastric sleeve,which I've had now.
So I was 158 kilos and I'mabout 108 now, and so I thought
before I have this gastricsleeve, I'm going to have a
crack at this New Zealander.
So I bought one pie.
I bought two pies, but one wasa practice because I figured if

(18:22):
I could get one pie down quickand I approached it
scientifically and I worked itout.
I worked it out and a couple ofmates helped me.
If I turned the pie upside downand squeezed it, it made a
banana shape and fitted the sameshape as my gullet.
So I only had to sort of biteit twice.
You can see where the hoochnickname came from.
So I've bitten this thing twiceand chewed it and swallowed it,
slammed the Coke down, kept alittle bit to wash the next one

(18:45):
down because that's tricky, andI got somewhere close to 35.
So I smashed his record and Isaid to someone stupidly I
reckon I can go sub 30.
And my mum was helping me filmthat particular effort and she
thought I was actually going tochoke to death so she mucked up
the filming of it at all.
But then I got my mate to helpme film and I think I'm pretty

(19:08):
sure it was 27 seconds and50-something.
But if that gets beaten it'llbe a phenomenal effort.
So they can have a crack at it.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
So two warm pies and a can of Coke.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Two warm pies and it's crucial there's a bit of
science in this.
You have to have your pies atthe right temperature.
Too hot and you'll scoreyourself.
I've done that in practice.
Too cold and that meat and thatgravy won't be jealous of us
enough to get a slide.
So there's a real good, there'sa real prime temp, and turning
the pies upside down was crucial, and sculling a fair bit of

(19:42):
your Coke and then leaving afair bit of your Coke and then
leave it a little bit, becauseyou get to slow down and then
you can bang that Coke and awayyou go.
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
What sauce?
No sauce, no sauce.
I think sauce would addlubrication.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Sauce would, but there was no sauce.
Is that a technicality orself-inflicted?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Oh, I don't think anyone brought sauce into it,
but yeah it would have been goodto have a bit of sauce down
wherever that.
Now I'd like to hear from you,dylan, with the exact same
enthusiasm as that, as to howmuch detail you put into your
lures, because I feel like hisstory's got a lot of detail and
I want to try and get that outof a lure.
But now we'll get, we'll ripinto the lures in a second.
I want to know.
We better circle back toactually something we should

(20:19):
talk about tonight on thefishing side of things.
And you said there's like 10000 lures or whatever up it
after whatever it was called.
Yeah, um, what, what like?
How different can they be?
And I'll I'll preface this withI'm a horrible fisher person,
fisherman so you want to gofirst, or?
yeah, I want him to go and talkabout how different they are and

(20:41):
then why he's different.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, like I suppose, when you look at it and you
look at the people that like, goover to America and fish all
these bass comps, and likepeople that fish all the
Australian brim tournaments andbass tournaments and stuff like
that around Australia, like theydo it that much that they
notice like the slightest littledifference, like whether it's

(21:08):
just a slight change in color ora slight weight of how slow
that lure sinks or how fast itsinks.
You'll go there and you'll haveeverything and it'll have 10
colors and then it'll have asize this big and then it'll be
this big, and then it'll be thisbig and it'll have you know, 10
colors and then it'll have asize this big and then it'll be
this big and then it'll be thisbig and it'll be this big.
But I mean, when you look atthe grand scheme of it, you've

(21:30):
got like australia, we've gotsuch a wide range of fishing.
Like you go, you've gottasmania where you can catch,
you know, you got trout, you gotbrim, then you got on the east
coast you've got tuna, and thenyou go up more to your like

(21:51):
great barrier reef and stufflike that.
You've got huge gt which is allsurface lures and stuff like
that and you go in more you'vegot barramundi and like there's
just that much variety inaustralia that we just get
absolutely pumped out lures.
And the thing is most peoplelike say you live in victoria,

(22:14):
you know they probably, you knowthey do a bit of murray cod
fishing, but then they also likechase snapper or chase squid in
your um, I'm having a mindblank.
I've completely forgot what theharbour in there is called.
That's it Like in Melbourne, inVictoria, there Horseraday,

(22:35):
yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Horseraday or.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Mallacoota.
Yeah, yeah, but like the factthat there is so much fishing
experiences crammed intoAustralia, I think that's why we
just get absolutely hammeredand there's so many different
types of lures and like it'sfunny, like you look at like a
certain lure that they'vecreated and they've thought of,

(22:59):
they want to catch a certainfish in northern territory and
they won't even like know thattrout get that big in Tas
territory and they won't evenlike know that trout get that
big in tasmania.
And I'll pick it up.
The first thing I think is, oh,like I want to fish that for
trout.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
so it's just so much in colors and everything it's
yeah with like I want to rewinda little bit into the science of
a lure and essentially you'reimitating a wounded fish or a
wounded target bait fish.
For the fish that you'retargeting Yep, Essentially

(23:34):
correct Yep.
So when you're changing coloursand things, the colours these
things are coming out are incolours that that bait fish is
never in.
Yeah, Yep yeah there's a lot ofvagracies To do with the
eyesight and things in fish andWell, there's vagracies around
what you're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
So you can do wounded bait fish, or you can do bait
fish that are scared orskittered, and so there'll be
different actions.
So if you get a lure that'sdoing a big shimmer like that,
that's for your species, likeyellowtail, kingfish and salmon
that really will, or Spanishmackerel that are like the dogs
at the greyhound races, itdoesn't matter what they see,

(24:14):
they're going to chase it.
Like I'm sure the dog knowsthat it's a ball of fluff, but
something in his brain goes oh,I'm going to chase that.
So off they go.
So a shimmer will attract thosefish, the fish like murray cod
and some of those uh speciesthat sit down in the home.
You're trying to annoy thosefish.
So that's why the murray codlaw's got big bibs.
They sit up and they've got aslow waddle and they stay in in

(24:36):
the zone a lot longer.
So they're striking out ofbasically being annoyed.
Uh, not, they can strike fromhunger but also territorial as
well, and there's a lot of fishthat are like that.
And Dylan mentioned brim.
Like you can have onebrim-coloured lure, but it can
be a deep diver or a shallowdiver and it can be a suspending

(24:56):
, a floating or a sinking,because those brim, when you
throw to them you can give thema rip-rip so they come down, and
then you give them a wiggle andthen you relax on them and br
can give them a rip, rip so theycome down and then you give
them a wiggle, waggle, and thenyou relax on them and brim will
hit a lure when it's suspended.
And so then you've got to workout does your lure float and
suspend in brackish water orfresh water or salt water?
And so there is a lot ofscience that goes into it.

(25:18):
Berkeley that do apredominantly soft plastic, so
also hard bodies, but that'ssoft.
They have a laboratory inAmerica that's probably six or
seven acres of fishinglaboratory, all to do with
scents, material colours.
Now for mine, the colours ismore about the angler.
There are certain colours thatdefinitely will trigger a fish,

(25:41):
but there's a lot to do withpackaging and also colour to do
with angler, because we have abit of a thing, there's a
sliding scale of matching thehatch and then what the hell?
And so when I talk aboutmatching the hatch, the fly
fishermen spend a lot of timeand they make some majestic and
artistic.
You know, extremely realistic,oh, very realistic insects and

(26:06):
that's matching the hatch.
And we do a bit of match thehatch with some smaller lures
and bits and pieces, but thenthose same trout.
We fish for them with thesethings called fish cakes, which
are principally just big bits ofbroom handle.
I used to make them as a kid.
You cut the end off mum's umbroom handle.
Broom handles were knockedabout when I was a kid because
if you weren't making monkeymagic nunchuck sticks, you were

(26:27):
making fish cakes.
And then you put like a littlepropeller on them and you paint
them up the silliest of coloursand you throw them and you just
roll them slowly and the littlepropeller goes bop, bop, bop,
bop, bop.
But they've got trebles hangingoff them everywhere.
That represents nothing thatflies in Tasmania or in the
bottom of New South Wales orVictoria, yet they catch fish.

(26:47):
It's really quite crazy.
So it's basically open to yourimagination and then it's up to
the manufacturer to catch fishon them and prove them.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
And then it's up to me to use them uselessly, like
you could give me the best lurefor the best situation and you
could be right next to me, butif I don't work it right or
present it right or and I do, uh, follow a few guys aussie fly
fishing, um hall fly fishing andthings and they do a lot of
stuff up northern, uh, northaustralia and there's like

(27:19):
surface fishing for these thingsand you can see like they've
got good footage and that youknow, oh, we didn't present that
one right right or we movedthat one wrong and just the fish
ignored it and went the otherway.
But that's in clear water, soyou can see what they're doing.
Oh, yeah, very much so.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But if you're new to fishing, pick a species that
basically you know suicides atthe sight of a lure and that
will give you some goodconfidence to then start picking
those fish that are tricky.
Like certain times of the year,trout will attack pretty much
anything Sometimes of the yearin that clean, what they call
gin clear water.
They're very, very tricky, butI mean Australian salmon.
If you get them in a little bitof moving water, as long as you

(27:55):
turn and burn we call it turnand burn throw a halco slice,
rip it through where you thinkthey are and you'll get some
fish in it and that'll exciteyou for the next stage.
Nothing worse than going to thebank of a river and just cast,
cast, cast, cast which I did theother day, mind you, and didn't
turn a handle on a fish.
That's miserable.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's that, lure.
I said it must be user errorthough.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh no, the lure was rubbish.
I mentioned it to Dylan, I keptit.
It had no action.
It was like a stick comingthrough the water.
It was rubbish, were youtesting?
Is that something you did?
No, it was just some.
We were just doing a video forthe podcast announcing some
giveaway and I was just throwingthis lure and I was doing it to
camera and I noticed I'm justwatching this lure going well, I

(28:36):
am doing a video, but Iwouldn't mind catching a fish
and going oh, that would make agood video.
It was just rubbish, and that'sthe difference between sometimes
a.
I'm sure that lure was off Timuor it wouldn't have been Timu
but it would have been eBay backin the day.
It was just a rubbish.
Lure Looked a million bucks,looked a million bucks, but it
just wasn't doing it.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
My father-in-law bought a I don't know 150mm long
, segregated, hard-bodied thingwith a couple of hooks hanging
off it and it, you know, waselectric.
So you'd charge it up and itcaught nothing except seaweed.
It was just good fun for thekids to play with and get hooked
up.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's an interesting concept, though, and I think
that concept will come a lotmore.
I got laughed at about six,seven years ago at a conference
and I called itmicro-machination.
I basically invented the termon the spot, but I just had you
know, you get these little greenthings that are like an ant or
a little bit of a cockroach sortof thing, and they've got a
little solar-powered thing andthey've got a little motor on

(29:31):
them and they, out of whack,vibrate.
The kids you might not haveseen them, but you put them out
in the sun and they're littlecockroachy things and the sun
makes the little motor go onthere an out-of-whack sort of a
thing, and they vibrate.
And I was watching that going.
If you could somehow get afishing lure and I've seen those
ones that you were talkingabout.
I've seen them and they're alittle bit big and a little bit
sort of, yeah, clunky, yeah, butwhen they get that technology

(29:56):
and you can throw a lure and beconnected with it and maintain
some connection.
But I've seen them swim andthey look like they're going to
get eaten big.
But I've seen them swim andthey look like they're going to
get eaten big, and I mean theyactually make Murray cod lures
that look like baby glass thathave fallen out of the nest.
I've actually seen them.
So there's just a wide range ofpeople's ideas.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I've got a blue-tongued lizard lure.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure you catch too many fish on them,
but they look wicked.
It makes sense if there's inthe Murray River there's a lot
of trees with galah nests andone falls out.
I've got no doubt in my mind aMurray cod will eat a dead baby
galah, because I've seenfirsthand southern bluefin tuna
that have eaten cormorants andthese were 120-kilo tuna and

(30:40):
they've eaten cormorants andthose little Jesus birds I call
them.
They skip on the surface of thewater, they walk on the water.
They're only tiny and there wasthree or four of those in its
stomach contents when theyharvested that fish.
It's surprising what they'lleat.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
What's your favourite fish to catch?
Dill Trout, Trout's the obvious.
Or does it get a bit easy now?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh well, like like yes and no, but the like.
The one thing about troutfishing in tasmania is you've
got so much variety in tasmania.
Like the west coast of tasmaniais like a rainforest, like it
is ridiculous.
It rains 300 odd days a yearthere.
Um, the highland Lakes are justliterally full of rocks and it
looks like it hasn't been rainedon in about 300 days, and then

(31:31):
you've got rivers and stuff likethat.
So trout is always somethingthat's been relatively close to
home, that I've done for a longtime.
But other than trout I'ddefinitely say kingfish is the
next thing that puts like a goodamount of thrill through me,

(31:51):
because they're something thatI'm currently, you know, just
starting to work out Like causein Tassie.
They only come down here for acouple of months and they're
more sort of like obviouslyseasonal.
But yeah, that's probably thenext thing that I want to
develop some time into and sortof get a bit more of an idea on.

(32:13):
But if I had to say one, it'dbe probably trout, since I've
just done it for so long flyfishing as well no, no, I I
don't know.
Like I a lot of people, likewhen they start lure fishing,
when they go into fly fishing,and like I went through that,

(32:36):
but it's sort of it's hard liketo want to like put down, like
when you fish lures for so long.
It's hard to want to pick up afly rod and cast and cast while
you're like, oh, that looks sogood, like if I just picked up a
lure and threw it in there, youknow I'd probably catch a fish.
So I don't know, like I'd neverreally picked it, picked it up

(33:00):
and went with it.
But like I mean, it's obviouslybeen around for ages and it
catches fish and you know, somepeople love it, some people love
to stare at people that do it.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
So and I'm one of them at the moment, I feel it's
a little bit like the archeryside of of hunting you're,
you're prepared, you're goinginto it prepared and knowing
that you're not going to be assuccessful as you would be with
a rifle.
But man, when you get one, likeyeah, it, it, it feels, better
it.

(33:30):
Yeah, you know it's a little bitmore enjoyable because you've
had to work harder for it.
But at my point in life andyou're probably the same to me
success is having something toshow for it, not necessarily
just having a good time.
Yeah, uh, like we have a goodtime too.
But if you come home withoutfish, you're like ah, I didn't
really have a good day, didn'tcatch anything, whereas a fly

(33:50):
fisherman, you, who comes homewith an empty bag and no fish,
he's still smiling.
Yeah, he just seems to be atthat point of his life where
he's okay to which that's like afunny thing to mention too,
with like obviously you dosocial media for your hunting
side of it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I do social media for the fishing side of it.
It's like it's very interestingbecause it's like you know,
before you even really did it,you just you know you'd go
fishing and you're just happy toget out, but then it's like you
don't put pressure on yourselfbut you're like oh god, like if
I could catch a good fish, Iknow I'll get a good video.
Oh, if I could catch a goodfish, I know I'll get good

(34:29):
photos.
And like it's funny, it trickswith your mind and it's like for
some people, I feel like thatwould definitely ruin it, but I
feel it's the complete opposite.
For me, it makes me want to go,you know, further and further
and further and push harder andharder and harder, because it's
like for me, you know, going outand catching fish is all about

(34:52):
sharing it to people online,because, like so I'm 20.
I've been doing the YouTubeside of it since I was 14.
That is, for me, what fishingis Like.
I haven't gone fishing bymyself and not thought about, oh
, I'd like to try and get avideo from it.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
So, yeah, it's interesting how it plays with
social media and stuff like that, but yeah, well, who just said
it before you know he wasplaying with a lure and taking a
video.
It would have been nice if Icaught a fish while I was doing
it.
Yeah, it's just.
It adds to the situation of thevideo.
Um, obviously, you know, if youlook at someone's instagram

(35:33):
feed and they're a fishing guideor whatever, and you're just
looking at pictures of sunsetsand scenery and rivers and rocks
, it's not very interesting yeah, you don't go fishing with them
, you know fish you want, yeah,you want fish.
It's that's what you're lookingfor.
Uh, our local hunting club andI know they're all listening uh,
we just had our agm the othernight and they put up their
little bios of you know, thepresident and everything.
And there's five pictures wentup and three of them have got

(35:55):
dead animals and two of themhave got sunsets and I said, oh,
you can tell who the huntersare.
Oh, what did I say?
Who?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
the killers are.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
And the other two were just into painkillers.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's interesting though the point you raised.
I've seen some people do itquite well where they tell the
story of the trip but they'rehappy to celebrate their donuts
Like in the fishing world wecall them donut days Got a big
zero, so Steve Starling, he dida video and I think he got a
sense that he wasn't going to goand he'd do it good.

(36:27):
So he shaped that video as adonut day and that sort of
resonated a little bit, becauseBecause everyone has it Well, it
ruins everyone if you think youwatch.
I know there's some people onour local social media in and
around Tasmania and they'refollowed by people here and also
on the mainland and they'realways holding fish and, oh,

(36:49):
I've done this trip.
But you just don't see I knowpersonally, particularly with
Snapper, they might have done ina month four social media posts
, but they've gone fishing 20nights in that month, risked
divorce, cost them a fortune andpeople just think, oh, they

(37:09):
catch fish every time they go.
It's just not the case and itwas once we went.
We were in Port Stephens onceand myself and the man in this
other painting here he's passedaway now, but we were in Port
Stephens and Michael Guest, whohas a fishing show.
He asked us to go out with him.
They had a couple of cricketers.
One of them was Harmington orsomeone who was an English, I

(37:31):
don't know who he was, but hewas an English fast bowler.
We went out and had a great day.
We had some good vision, we gotsome fish jumping, we hooked
some fish, but because we didn'tland one, he wasn't prepared to
show it and I just thought thatand that was like five years
ago.
That's a bit of a shame, becauseyou should say to people you

(37:52):
don't always have success whenyou do these things.
You spend your money, you spendyour time, you back yourself,
but not every time.
It's like with hunting as well.
The amount of times I've gonefallow deer shooting and come
out with nothing and ridiculedby mates and and partners at the
time and mum and dad, where'smy venison, my venison roast?
It's um, yeah, you just wouldstop doing it, but you don't.
You just keep going.
So I think sometimes it's theonus is on some of these social

(38:15):
media people to have anoccasional Donut Day video or
have a video where you know Imissed or a trot on a stick, or
I've actually watched that MeatEater show and he had a couple
of really bad misses and Ithought that was relevant, I
thought that was quiteresonating with me.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I was just going to bring that up.
He's probably one of well, Imean, he's the most watched one,
so I want to say that.
But the most recent one that'sdone Donut episodes.
Well, and he's not afraid toshow that he messes up or
whatnot.
I mean he's lost animals,wounded them and things.
It happens.

(38:51):
You're not going to make a showout of it, but he's at a point,
not every time.
He's also at a point.
I don't know if you know muchbackground about him.
He has.
He doesn't need sponsors.
He is his own massive thing.
So when you're in the, you know, delicate stages of fledgling,
onlineness, you can't afford tobe seen to be doing those things

(39:15):
because you've got to protectthe image and protect the brand
and your sponsors and thingslike that.
But he doesn't care if he putsa show out and he wounded an
animal and you know it happens,it definitely happens.
I say to people if you don't,you know, if you haven't wounded
an animal and lost it, youhaven't shot enough animals.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, and I mean he does it the right way too.
He shows the effort that heputs in and that is like a
stewardship, because some peoplemight wound an animal and spend
10 minutes and go oh no, she'sall too hard, but that's not the
way we should go about ourbusiness as hunters.
And he shows a really goodamount of stewardship in putting
in as much effort, a reallygood amount of stewardship in

(39:52):
putting in as much effort.
And I mean if he loses ananimal it may even go on to
survive.
It's either not lost enoughblood or he hasn't hit it in the
right spot.
Who knows, it could go off anddie and end up a carcass in the
bush.
But he does it the right way.
I think he shows that you'vegot to put a lot of effort into
it and when he does, you know,does eventually find that animal
, dispatches it cleanly and thensets about maximizing that meat

(40:15):
recovery.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
So I think he does a fantastic job I was going to ask
this question later, but we'reon the topic now, so I'll head
into it and then we'll circleback to trout, because I've got
uh, I started, I've got a thingon my website where you can
write in and send a question.
And you know people send inquestions and then I read them
out on air and if they get readout on air they get a hat and at
the end of the year they go inthe draw to win a hunt with me.

(40:39):
So I've got some questions toget to, and they're trout
related, because they knew youwere coming on.
But talking about woundinganimals now it's an awkward
question.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I don't want people, I think.
I know where you're going here.
Can I answer the question?
We'll come back to this, butcan?
I answer my fish.
You were going to ask what fishI catch.
Yeah, I am a meat eater.
I'm a fisher that likes to putstuff in my esky.
Everyone says, oh, are you intofitness?
Yeah, fitness into my esky?
Yeah.
But my fish that I love tocatch are mako shark and marlin,

(41:12):
because they are an adrenalinefish.
Now, the mako shark if it's abig one, we will release it
because it could be a breedingfemale or whatever.
If it's a smaller one, we'llharvest it.
But a lot of people do the samething.
Marlin, predominantly tag andrelease, and I think that's
where you're about to go.

(41:33):
Are you the ideology around?

Speaker 3 (41:37):
No, well, no, not particularly catch and release.
My question is I think thathunters, meaning shooters,
archers, are more I've beentrying to work out how to word
this for the last couple of daysethically more humane towards

(41:59):
animals than fishermen.
And it is a bugbear of minethat fishing is so widely
accepted and hunting is not.
But if you actually look atwhat's happening to the animals,
hunting is much more humanefrom a and I want to say, live

(42:20):
bait type thing.
But even just chucking a fishback in after dragging it, it's
the equivalent of us using, youknow, wounding a goat, tying it
to a tree to catch a lion orsomething.
Yes, sort of If we use that youknow analogy of what goat tying
it to a tree to catch a lion orsomething.
Yes, sort of, If we use that youknow analogy of what's
happening in the fish world andI know there's the whole pain,
receptor type things and I'm notscientifically versed on that.

(42:41):
So please rip into me if I'mand I also don't want this
question to see like I lovefishing and I've used live bait
and so I'm not saying I'm betterthan anyone else.
I just want to know what yourthoughts are on it because it's
a crappy topic.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
but no, no, it's a good.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I'm glad the greenies don't dwell on it too much,
because you know they're alreadyworking on bow hunting, so it
won't be far until they'rechasing you guys.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I don't see it as a crappy topic.
I say it's a very relevanttopic and and there's a lot of
um, interesting vagranciesamongst that as well and some
conflict as well, because itcomes down to that pain receptor
stuff and it also comes down tothat conversation in Pulp
Fiction where Samuel L Jacksonand John Travolta are going on

(43:24):
about the difference between adog and a pig.
You know, like it's a littlebit like that because they're
saying because I should explainit better Like a fish, I've
caught plenty of fish, right,and I've harvested plenty of
fish and I've never, ever hadthe same feelings internally as
when I've shot my first fallowdeer and continue to shoot

(43:47):
fallow deer.
Like, when you shoot thoseanimals, you pay them a lot more
respect and it gets you a bitweird.
It's hard to explain, butthat's your emotions, not theirs
.
That is, yes, true.
But you get some hunters thatjust blaze away and just drop 20
fallow and don't really matterabout it.
So there's a lot of vagranciesaround.
Who does the shooting?

(44:08):
And you say that hunters aremore humane than the fishers.
Well, I would say that acrossthe fishers and the hunters, the
demographic is the same.
You've got people that in thefishing world which will wet
their hands, get the fish icky,spike it.
Why you wet your hands beforeyou icky spike it, I don't know,
because you're killing itanyway.

(44:29):
But if you're releasing fish,fish wet your hands, most
definitely, um, but but more andmore there is a, there is a
propensity to icky spike yourfish.
Even squid, like squid, arebasically blow flies of the
ocean, um, but people are goingout of their way to.
You know, net them gently, putthem on the thing and icky spike
them.
Or there's a little bit of atechnique where you can give

(44:50):
them a bit of a chop suey andthey all go white.
They're instantly dead.
What's an icky spike?
Icky spike is a Japanese termfor a particular special spike
and there's a certain spot tospike a fish in its brain.
It's very popular with snapper,it's very popular with all
eating fish because it relaxesthose fish and it starts the

(45:11):
process of rigor mortis Isuppose for want of a better
term as soon as you kill them.
The quicker they go, the morehumanely that they're killed and
they're going to go throughthat rigor mortis process.
People don't sort of realiseand I'm sure your listeners
would that you know meat isbetter when it is on the other
side of that rigor mortisRelaxing.
Relaxing, that's exactly rightis on the other side of that
rigging.
Relaxing, that's exactly right.
But I mean, back in the day,you're exactly right.

(45:34):
You've probably experiencedpeople that go and catch a heap
of fish and they throw them onthe deck and they're
flip-flopping around.
You know they're basicallysuffocating Terrible.
We all did it.
We all did it.
Some still do it.
But that's all part of thestewardship, of teaching people
that you can do it, and I don'ttell people it's right or wrong.
I tell people well, this is theway you do it nowadays because

(45:57):
of this, this and this.
They can take those learningsand chuck them in the bin or
they can go.
You know what.
That's a fair point.
Maybe when I catch a fish, Ieither, and with tuna, for
example, there's a programthat's massively successful
called Tuna Champions.
So in the past you catch a tuna, bluefin tuna, dump it on the
deck, just lays on the deck allday, flapping away, probably

(46:19):
dies very slowly nowadays.
But much different.
We've got the process where youhave got the little knife, where
you get them on board, um, youcan icky spike them icky, jimmy
is the full term and then youget your little knife and just
behind the um fin you sneak them.
It only has to be that four mil, five mil, uh, just behind the
pictorial fin and they bleed outabsolutely sensationally.

(46:41):
Um, and then you can put themin an ice slurry and you've got
the maximum amount of flesh.
Uh, that's good to harvest.
And there's all sorts of videoson how to harvest those fish to
get the best return.
As I've seen, with a lot ofdeer and a lot of game, it's an
ever-increasing thing becausewe're coming under the
microscope and we have to beable to say well, no, hang on.

(47:03):
Well, that's fair that you'vegot that opinion, but then share
what we're doing and again,they can take that information
and do what they want with it.
What about live baiting?
Live baiting is an interestingone and it's come from.
You know where do you go Likeyou've got worms, frogs, frogs
have been banned, I get it.
And this comes back to the PulpFiction thing Worm, no one gets

(47:24):
two poos about, but a frog,that's a cute animal.
So that's the Pulp Fictionthing.
And so the cuter the animal,the more people feel about it.
Some of these fish that we useas live baits are very readily
available.
They're in massive numbers.
Like a potty mullet.
Like a potty mullet is a greatlive bait.

(47:47):
Little, tiny juvenileAustralian salmon.
They make great live baits.
It's just part of the processand it's just a little bit like
attitudes change.
There may well be a time whenwe're not allowed a live bait.
In the same way, people used togo to the Northern Territory

(48:10):
and the list would be pigs,buffalo and believe it or not,
wedge-tailed eagles.
Now, when's the last time thatsomeone came back saying they
just shot a trophy wedge-tailedeagle?
For a long, long time.
So so that transition ofpeople's attitudes may come um,
and it just depends on how wellwe stick up for our uh rights
and how much science we use,because we can't operate on a

(48:32):
belief system.
I believe it's fine.
Well, if it's actuallyscientifically proven that that
animal is suffering to thatdegree.
But if science can prove thatit's not, then live baiting is
fine for me, and at the minute,fish are an animal.
That science has said that thepain receptors are far different
, and so the analogy while itwas a good one, of the lamb tied

(48:57):
to the stake enticing a lion,is a live bait situation
probably a little bit differentthan what's going on out there
in the ocean.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
What about you, Dylan ?
As a lure man, Do you use muchbait?
Live bait, Like, not reallylike, not really use much bait
live bait.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Oh, like, not really, like not really any live bait,
like freshwater, like on alllures, like very early season I
might do a little bit with wormsand stuff like that, but like
trout-wise, basically like it'dbe, 99.9% of my fishing is with
lures, like I don't know.
Like I know everyone's going tohave their own specific opinion

(49:33):
, but I believe as long as youknow you are doing the best that
you possibly can, so like sayyou're going to release fish,
you know you wet your hands,you're like leave it in the
water, then you like quickly getup, get a photo, then put it
back in, like give the fish timeto actually properly revive.
You know you're not just like,oh yeah, there it is, throw it

(49:53):
away straight away.
As long as you're trying to dothe best that you can, I mean
like that's, at the end of theday, that's all we can really do
like try to do the best that wecan for the sport that we love.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
I had this conversation with the Fly Fish
Show and it was the fur versusfin conversation and I can't
remember where I was going to gowith that.
No, I forgot what I was tryingto thought.
But we're talking about catchand release and the comment was
even if we release a fish that'shad a hook in it, you can never

(50:32):
release a deer you've shot.
We might release one that's 10%wounded that'll heal over time,
or we lose a fish and the linesnaps and it's got a hook in its
mouth and it runs away.
Answer that question how longdoes a hook last in the
saltwater in a fish?
Not long.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
It depends on what it's made out of, but even a
stainless steel hook willdisintegrate.
The ocean is a fairly harshenvironment.
Stainless hook doesn't meanthat it's going to last forever.
It's just stainless so rustsless.
But when you find those marlincompetitions where they tag a
lot of fish, they'll use a highcarbon steel or high something

(51:13):
steel and that will rust alittle bit.
But also in saying that fishare fairly hardy animals,
they're a fairly basic sort of aspecies.
We've caught fish that have hadparticularly mako sharks.
We've caught fish that have gothooks in them that were
probably in them for a month orso and they're just swimming
around like it's just some sortof jewellery.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It doesn't seem like infection's an issue either,
because they're inside.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
No, not at all and you know there are some issues
around being gut-hooked and thatsort of thing, and you make the
judgement call when you've gota fish and if it's gut-hooked
and you know enough aboutbiology of animals to go oh,
that's a bit irresponsible torelease that fish.
And so in game fishingcompetitions, some people not us

(51:59):
, but some people might tag thatfish, throw it out of sight
know full well that that's notgoing to be an animal or a fish
that survives and they'll writeit down on their score.
But I would say the lion'sshare and I would hope to say
the lion's share if people makethose really good judgment calls
.
There's a bit of a cool thinggoing about.
It's not something I do, butpeople that take a photo when

(52:19):
they pull the fish out of thewater they'll hold their breath,
and so they'll hold theirbreath, and when they're getting
discomfort they'll put the fishback in the water.
If they haven't got quite thephoto that they want, then
they'll go again.
I think that's a good idea,because I've seen people hold
fish out of the water for just aridiculously long time to get
that good photo.
So it is coming.

(52:41):
But I mean I think we are doinga lot of things both hunters and
also fishers to regulateourselves.
But we must remember that thosepeople that are, you know,
facebook fans of PETA or PETA orwhatever they are unfortunately
, even disturbingly, the RSPCA.

(53:02):
You just won't be able to breakbread with those people.
They are completely the wrongside of the discussion.
I like to have a movingpendulum and find the middle
ground in most situations, buttheir pendulums are just TIG
welded to one side and you won'tmove them.
These people are talking aboutshearing, banning shearing and
these sorts of things.

(53:22):
It's just, you will not breakbread with those people.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
It's pretty outrageous.
The main one that's causing usripples at the moment is Georgie
Purcell.
She's the AJP Animal JusticeParty in Victoria.
One that's causing us ripplesat the moment is georgie purcell
.
She's um the ajp animal justiceparty in victoria.
She always wears purple,dresses in purple and that's her
favorite color and whatnot.
But yeah, she's uh stirring upthings, especially in the bow
hunting.
South australia is, just, youknow, banned bow hunting

(53:46):
effective in december this year.
It's just, yeah, it's dangerous, dangerous path.
And just before I could keepgoing on that point specifically
.
It bugs me and I've been doinga lot of work with this as
american not-for-profitorganization called blood
origins, which are more so inthe hunting side of things.
But there's a petition goingaround that you know to get it

(54:08):
reviewed it needs a certainamount of signatures and I can't
remember how many it's up to.
I I want to say 5,000 or 6,000.
But there's a sense that, hey,this is happening in South
Australia.
I kind of live in Brisbane, youknow.
I don't see that as an issuethat affects me.
It's just, it's the canary atthe end of the tunnel, it's the
rosebush at the end of thevineyard.
It's going to happen.

(54:29):
It's just going to if they canget it to fall there it will
just keep falling across thestates Once one state proves it
can do it.
And I fear that, and I hope youdon't see my fishing questions
as anti-questions.
They're just, you know,provoking and stirring ones.
But I fear that if they did godown and say, hey, we're going
to ban live baiting, andthere'll be people in the

(54:50):
fishing community that are likeoh, okay like, yeah, I don't
live bait Doesn't really affectme specifically, and not fight
against it.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
This is the thing that and it's just a domino.
Yeah, it's absolutely crazy andit's a very worrying situation
and, like I, hark back to thebelief system we need to have a
grounding in science and I knowever since Y2K in 2000, when
every plane was going to fly out, drop out of the sky.
That's before you were born.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Dylan.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Well before you were born.
But back then, dylan, they saidthat when the clock went over
from 1999 to 2000,.
Everything was just going tolose its mind.
Planes were going to fall outof the sky, computers were going
to be running.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Computers were not designed to turn over to 2000.
That's what they were tellingus.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
And so ever since then, and ever since you know
some stuff in and around COVID,science has gone down a couple
of pegs, but science is stillscience.
It's all we've got and we mustmake some pretty good decisions.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Science is only correct until another bit of
science comes along and provesit wrong.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Proves it wrong, true , but there's lots of checks and
balances, lots of checks andbalances, and that can't happen
just because someone says Ibelieve.
So that's the danger in thebelief system I believe, or it's
my opinion.
Yeah, that's right.
But with the hunting stuff Ithink we're, and the fishing but
I am a hunter and a shooter andI love it to death I think

(56:14):
we're our own worst enemies,because all the people not all
the people, that's a broadgeneralisation, but most of the
people that are making a lot ofnoise, they don't have much else
to do and we're out doing stuffLike we're doers, hunters and
gatherers, fishers.
We're doers, we're not sittingaround looking at the next thing

(56:35):
that we can ban, because itdoesn't sit well with my beliefs
, and we let them do it.
And so they get on facebook andwe're not interested in the
fight.
Some are, but but but they saythere's a waste of time.
I think there comes a time whenwe must stand and say nah, hang
on, woo, we've had a gutful.
And the only way that we'regoing to be able to say that

(56:55):
stringently is some scientificstuff not necessarily science,
but studies to prove otherwise.
Because I see a lot of thesewilderness society and a lot of
these environmental things.
They jump up, they pop out ofanywhere and they've got like
Facebook followers of 2,000.
All of a sudden they're 10,000strong and what they put on

(57:16):
their pages is shaped and it'sdiatribe and a lot of it is not
just shape, it's miss, it's justnot fat.
We see it a great deal and thenall of a sudden they've got the
hearts and minds of all thepeople in the cities.
You look at the populationwhere everyone lives.
As soon as those people thatknow nothing of our lifestyle or

(57:38):
the way we've grown up or ourgrandfather's lifestyles, they
just tick a box and go yep, Ibelieve that's wrong and don't
go.
They don't even want to askabout the history of it or the
intent or how we go about it.
It's just a blatant wrong.
And that signature thing isridiculous.
It's so dangerous they don'tcare.
They just sign it and off itgoes.

(57:59):
I've got ten thousands.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Well, it doesn't carry any weight with me, um,
and it's disappointing thatcarries any weight well, no, the
the signature thing is actuallyus trying to get signatures,
because once it gets above acertain point it actually has to
be presented to parliament likethey have to ignore it, or they
ignore it until it gets to acertain level of signatures,
then it has to be talked aboutlike it can't be avoided.

(58:21):
So that that's what we'retrying to achieve.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Ah, now will you but what I'll say about that?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
yeah, but anyone can start, that's just and you walk
around, you're like do you wantto?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
you know, save starving children in africa, and
then everyone will sign that,of course, around and you're
like do you want to?
You know, save starvingchildren in Africa, and everyone
will sign that, of course.
But what you're doing issigning something that's got a
little bit to do with that and alot of it to do with other
things, but that's what they useit for.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
The biggest thing we can do as hunters and fishers
and people that are of thecountry and a bit more rural is
pay more attention to politics.
And a bit more rural is paymore attention to politics, and
I know that is like a cross to avampire or garlic to a vampire.
But we must get people in thepositions that support us.

(59:03):
That's what government's allabout, and we just ignore it
until it's a problem and then wegrizzle about it at the end.
But if we don't put people inroles that are in positions of
power to say no, hang on, woo,then we're wasting our time.
You might as well go to the guncupboard right now, unlock it
and toss your guns out or tossyour fishing rods out, because

(59:23):
if we don't get in, and even ifit means local government, if it
means your state government andfederal government, we must
have a voice, and at the momentour voice is watered down
horribly.
Everyone's swinging and I'm nota card-carrying loony Nazi, I'm
the middle, but the pendulumhas swung so far the other way

(59:46):
that all the people that are themiddle are labelled, as you
know, card-carrying Klansmen,and it's just wrong.
It's very disappointing.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
You said before that, you know, hunters are our own
worst enemy and things.
Do you see it, dylan,especially online with your
presence, that and I want tojust focus on Tasmania, the
different factions of thefishing community, bicker, or?
Or is there like a communalsupport because we, we get it,
we get, uh, you know, bowhunting versus rifle hunting,

(01:00:19):
dog hunting.
Everyone's like oh, I don'tlike them because they do this
and I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
And then, instead of a you know, jump around each
other and lift everyone uptogether oh, like I I don't
think so, like I don't thinkit's as bad as like that sounds,
like I think relativelyeveryone in fishing communities
you know relatively, you knowsupporting because like that's a
thing where, like, say you, youknow you go hunting and you

(01:00:45):
know you only use rifles, youonly use bows, or something
that's sort of you know, that'ssort of you know that's sort of
you, where, like a lot of peoplein Tasmania, you know like
they'll, throughout summer,they'll fish for saltwater
because it's warmer and thentrout season will open, or you
know the weather will get colderand they'll go trout fishing

(01:01:06):
and it's like most, so there's ahigher number of people that
are touching all of the factionsinstead of separate communities
.
Recently in our podcast thatwe've just started.
Like, so August is the start oftrout season in Tasmania.
Like we have just had reportsafter reports after reports on
trout, where it's like, as soonas it gets to summer, like trout

(01:01:29):
are a cold water, like theymove a lot, they're a lot more
active in cold water, like assoon as it gets to summer, it'll
just be the complete oppositeway, it'll just be salt water,
salt water, salt water, saltwater.
So I think and you think thosereports will be coming from the
same people yeah, like I think,because they're fishing both
yeah, like I think in thefishing sort of industry, sort

(01:01:49):
of your question sort ofcontradicts itself in the sense
that people, yeah, they gofishing, but they do everything
Because it's like, for instance,say, you go hunting in New
South Wales or something, and Idon't know enough about hunting

(01:02:09):
that I'm just going to use abroad spectrum.
I'm just waiting for thisanalogy and you see the hunting
in northern territory and youthink that's it, like I want to
do that, but you know you.
So you wait and you wait, andyou wait and you and then you
finally you know you get moneyor whatever and you go and do it
.
It's the same thing here.
It's like you know you'resitting here and you're you see

(01:02:30):
photos of tuna and stuff likethat and you're like what am I
going trout fishing for?
I'm going to go chase tunabecause Tassie's so small.
It's like I'm two hours fromthe east coast where I can go
chase tuna and I'm two hoursfrom the west coast where I can
go chase you know huge trout,like it's small enough that like
if you see a photo of a fish inTasmania you of fish in
Tasmania you can drive threehours and get to it and fish it

(01:02:50):
in the weekend.
I think people just genuinelydo.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
You know everything in Tassie that they can.
One of the main reasons I askis I've got one mate who just
all he uses is bait casters andI just I think the worst thing
about owning a bait caster istelling your parents that you're
gay and I just I can't supporthim in his fishing journey
because I can't work out how touse the damn things.

(01:03:18):
Where do you live South ofSydney?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I think you've just ostracised most of the south of
the city.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Lucky, I don't roll in the fishing circles.
No, look, it was alight-hearted joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I know that and I'm the same too.
Bait casters to me like inTassie, we're all egg beaters
Bait casters are just acomplexity that we don't really.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
In saying that I just used one up in Darwin and it
never got tangled and I had noidea what I was doing.
Well, they've got a lot oftechnology.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Now They've actually got magnets in them that you can
.
I think they've had it for awhile, but not the ones I've
been buying and you can reallyregulate that over spool.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
That's what this guy said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
He said don't touch the things on the side please.
So that's my yeah, don't touchit.
He's probably got it tuned andwhat you do is you want it to
fall down really, really slow.
But if you've got someone who'sgot a few skills, it'll drop
down a bit quicker.
But if it freeze, falls down,that's bad news.
But I think you've hit the nailon the head, Dylan.
A lot of people in Tassie do doeverything.

(01:04:26):
But there are some areas likethe game fishermen.
They've got big egos, you know.
They've got big boats.
They're all trying to outdoeach other in what extra kit
they've got on their 300 series.
Oh, you've got a patrol.
You're a mess.
Oh, you've only got aseven-metre boat.
We've got aneight-and-a-half-metre boat.
So there's all that sort ofstuff.

(01:04:47):
But that's the same in life.
I'm sure it's the same in life.
I'm sure it's the same withmost sports.
And then the brim fishermenwell, they're a breed under
their own.
They're quite interesting units.
The brim fishermen, the troutguys, they're all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
And there's all crossovers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
It's like everything.
The trout fishers they're allsold to the earth.
They do a bit of brim fishing,they do a bit of estuary fishing
.
The game fishermen love goingfishing for trout.
So yeah, it's a pretty good mix, but there are some little
niggles that people you knowlike to do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I want to get back to this question in a second, but
early on, Dylan, you mentionedbass and I've watched a bit of
American things, but they hadtheir lure over there where it
was like a series of attractantsand then, like it looked like a
I don't know fishing basket onthe side not fishing a
clothesline basket.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Oh, the spinnerbaits.
They're a spinnerbait thingwith a hooker.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
It's huge and it's got heaps of attractants and
things and they got banned inmost of their competitions and
things because they were soeffective.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I know exactly what you're.
I can't, but yeah, like I knowexactly what you're talking
about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Well, my question is is it legal here, no, not legal
here, I wouldn't think.
Well, they're like a miniteaser.
So with Marlin you've got thatbig thing, crossovers, and
you've got all these littletinsel fish.
It's just like a mini versionof that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Now we see videos because they've got the camera
hooked up to the teasers and youcan see the fish playing with
the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
you know, yeah, they come in and they slap them and
try and eat them.
Dylan's off there trying tofind them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I'm trying to find it .

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
No, that's all right.
You do some background there,Dylan, our producer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I'm keen to hear what calibres you're rocking in your
gun.
Safe Dodge.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I've got it sitting here right next to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Hang on First of all, how many guns have you got in
your gun?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
So I'll answer that with this story and I don't know
if I've told this on air it wasat a shot show in Sydney.
How long ago I might have beenat that one Channel 7, early
days I actually did the skinningand butchery demos at most of
the shot shows, the skinning andbutchery demos at most of the
shot shows.
So I did Sydney, brisbane,melbourne, perth oh nice, where

(01:06:56):
was the other one, auckland?
We went over there one year, soI've been at a lot of them for
a lot of years.
But I was working on a booth.
Eagle Eye Hunting Gear, channel7 were poking around trying to
they sell Max boxes and a fewother shooting rest.
But channel seven were pokingstories, you know, like trying
to, trying to I wouldn't say geta positive story out of

(01:07:18):
everyone, they were trying toget a negative spin out of the
show.
Yeah, and the interviewer cameup and she said you know I'm
such and such from such and suchand your name this was off
camera.
She said I just want to ask youhow many guns you've got.
And I said, oh, I've got nine.
And she just went, click, click, get the camera, bring it over.
And anyway, they set up andthey said, yeah, I'm here at the

(01:07:41):
double s double shot show insydney and I'm here with dodge,
and I've just got a question foryou, dodge.
You know what do you think ofthe show and whatnot, and how
many guns do you have?
I said I I've got nine.
She goes.
And why do you need nine guns?
And I just looked at thecameraman, like above his camera
, and I said do you play golf,mate?
And he nodded.
I said do you just?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
use a putter, or do you use a driver or a wedge?

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Anyway, she just went cut and then they walked away
and there was no story.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I never made it to TV .
I'll tell you what.
That's a good response.
I've never actually thought ofit.
I heard it somewhere else thatI'll claim it as my own.
You hit the nail on the head.
Same thing with fishing rods.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Everyone's got 200 of them.
Well, I don't.
I've got two, and neither ofthem work.
I reckon they're broken.
Actually, I've got a missingsection in the 22 magnum.
Uh, I've got a 17 hmr it's notmine, but it's in there from a
mate and then I go up to 223.

(01:08:38):
I've got a 260, a 270, and thenI go, I've got a real old
school 308, open side spanishmauser thing.
Oh, nice, good fun, um.
And then I go 30.06, 3.75, 4.16.
So I don't know how many thatis, but I think there's.

(01:08:58):
Oh, and I got an air rifle andshotgun.
Yeah.
I've got too many gaps there,where was your gap?
Well, yeah, technicality, the2.60 is my wife so she won't let
me use it for deer hunting.
So I've got 2.3 and I don'ttechnically own the 3006 anymore
.
It's still here, but it's notmine.
Sold it um.
And I've got the open sights308, which I don't use for deer

(01:09:22):
hunting, and I just bought the270 not long ago and haven't put
a scope on it.
So my hole in the middle is Ishoot deer with big guns or
little guns.
I either shoot my fellow with a223 or a416 because it's really
good fun.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Yeah, .223 is fine, but illegal in Tassie Illegal is
it.
Yeah, not allowed to have a.223.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
.243 is the smallest callow in Tassie or not allowed
to use.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
On callow Not allowed to shoot fallow deer so .243 is
the minimum callow in Tassie,yeah, so we have in New South
Wales.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
They're called recommended minimums and very
early on in my, you know, likejust got my firearms licence, I
went and attended a deer huntingseminar and he popped up with
that.
It was Andy Mallon, we'refriends now.
I'll get him on the show herein a couple of months' time.
But he said on stage he goes.
You know, it's the recommendedminimum 2-2-3, sorry, 2-4-3.
And I said, oh, I've only got a.223.

(01:10:16):
Does that mean I can't shootdeer?
And he said that a well-placed.223 shot is so much better than
a poorly placed .308 shot.
So he said, if you've got, a.223 and you know how to shoot
it properly.
That's fine, but understandthat if you shoot it poorly
you'll wound an animal to runaway.
So I do a lot of neck shots,high shoulder shots with that.
I've shot them in the chestbefore and they haven't gone too
far, but I've lost some.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
It's a valid point you make.
I've been in and out ofcalibres a little bit.
I've never been a shooting orhunting tragic.
But I'm from Tasmania and Ilive in the country.
I love hunting and shooting soI've copped a fair bit of flack
over the years because the firstever when I was about 19 or 21,
19, 21, the boys and olderdudes said we're going to go

(01:10:59):
fallow deer shooting, you needto buy a centrefire, and I
thought I didn't know too much.
Oh, I knew a fair bit about itfrom reading books, but that's
about it Anyway.
A bloke had a 6.5 by 55 SwedishMauser and it had a sports stock
on it.
It came with about 40 roundsand it was in a box.
He'd made himself like a casewith some terrible foam.
It used to sweat in there a bitfor $300.

(01:11:22):
Great guy With a scope on itand I thought well, I bought
that and I sighted it in andfrom about 150 metres I sawed it
in on paper and then there wasa native hen.
You're not allowed to shootthem in Tasmania anymore, but at
this stage it was about 150metres, aimed dead on, and it
turned this thing inside out.
So its skin was on there and Ithought to myself that's pretty

(01:11:44):
reasonable and I'd shot.
It.
Took me two years to shoot afallow deer with it but I didn't
pull the trigger on it either.
We were on some pretty poorproperties early on um.
But that 6.5 by 55 wassniggered at by all my mates and
a lot of people.
But I found I could shoot thatso accurate.
It was no recoil.
Um, I got really comfortablewith it.

(01:12:05):
I shot a lot because it wascheap to shoot at the time.
I shot a lot of rounds with itat mates farms and made sure
that I was comfortable with itand that was fine.
And that was in an era where,you know, four or five years
later everyone was on the 300wind mag train, like everyone in
Tassie was shooting fallowdeers with the 300 wind mag and
I'm like what, that's big, why Imean Jesus?

(01:12:28):
And I used to giggle a bitbecause all my mates would get
me to side them in and I'd think, well, why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
And they were just I think a little bit concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Well, I just think they didn't like pulling like
prone.
I just didn't think they likedpulling the trigger.
And I found out by accident,like I got a guy to go righto,
that's pretty sweet there, nowhave a bit of a go.
So we laid down and there was abit of confusion and I thought
I'd put a fresh round in.
But it was just a case in thereand when he pulled the trigger
the flinch was insane and I justsaid, look, there's no wonder

(01:12:59):
you're gonna have to come backdown and shoot my 6.5 or triple
two before you start trying it.
And it was a beautiful thing.
It was a seiko.
He'd spent back in the day, he'dspent drug money on this thing.
It was like three, $3,500 forthis Seiko.
It was a beautiful thing.
Three shot, which I thought wasa bit cheap.
I could put six in the 6.5 ifit was party time when we get

(01:13:20):
onto a good property.
But it's just crazy that peoplego so high in the calibres.
Having said that, I've got alittle bit of a hole and I don't
know whether I should go 7mm 08, but what's your advice?
What's your?

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
hole.
What's your top?

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Well, I want to go silly.
I've got no reason to, but Iwant to go and shoot sandbags.
What were you talking?

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
What were those baits you were talking about, where
you've got like realistic ones,and then you've got the what do
you call them?
Oh, the, the coloured, like thecrazy baits.
You've got like normal onesthat imitate, and then you've
got the fish cakes.
No, no, you went higher thanthat.
Just stupid looking lures.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Oh, they look like a bloody dead galah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Yeah, so that's what you want to do with your gun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Well, no, I've got a .22 that's a nice I've got a
nice old .22 CZ like the earlyone that's done.
No work with the hogback stocktimber.
I'm a real timber guy and solook, if I was going to go up
and down the mountains or do alot of shooting, I'm sure I
would go.
You know plastic stocks orwhatever you call them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
It doesn't make a difference for guys yours and my
size.
We're already carrying extra.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah, but I just love timber.
I grew up with timber guns.
I've read Dad had a thingcalled the Shooter's Bible,
which is an American book aboutthat thick.
It didn't have the cover on it.
I read the thing from back tofront.
It was just black and whitepictures and everything was a
timber stock and there wasn't aplastic stock in there anyway.
So as an agent I used to goaround and I'd accidentally find

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those things like the early czwith the hogback uh, you know
the real slender four stock andthe hogback um cheek piece.
Um found that, stole it for 300bucks, I another, and so then
I've got a.
The only brand new one I've gotis a um.
It's a cz45 something, 457 inthe varmint with the funny stop.

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That's straight up and downwith the heavy barrel.
Vertical pistol grip thing.
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
It's awesome.
I've put a spastic scope on it.
I really love shooting it, butI bought that to shoot foxes
Never shot a fox.
That was pretty wild.
What was that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
That was something falling off my speaker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
We definitely heard that was a lot louder than your
chair earlier, dylan, let's see,yeah and I've got an
interesting one I found byaccident, which is a Morse
action in 2506.
Now I don't know whether any ofyour listeners would have ever
heard of a bloke called BillHamley Clark.
Bill Hamley Clark was an oldSouth Australian gunsmith who

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had kudos and written a bookthat is highly regarded on
centrefires in America like veryhighly regarded.
And I just happened to see thisfunny rifle at a Bothwell gun
store which is in the Midlandsin Tasmania, and it had a weird
fiberglass stock on it.
So totally out of character forme, but I just thought that's

(01:16:22):
pretty cool and it had theinscription on it, bill Hamley
Clark Jr and I thought that mustbe who someone had it made for
their birthday.
Turns out it's the gunsmith.
Turns out he was a bit of afreak when it came to
centrefires.
He's built this thing back inthe day and accidentally found
out that he'd shot two lions inAustralia.
So some lions escaped from theSouth Australian zoo at the time

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and the cops who were allfreaking out rang him and he
shot two on the run with this.
It looked like a pump actionwith Brentke slugs in it.
From it's on video.
You can search it on YouTubeand it actually shows the lion
dragon, the trainer, that thelions ate.
The night before and they wokeup couldn't find the lions the

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trainer was missing.
And it's on YouTube black andwhite.
All the cops are there withtheir 303 still in the lines.
The trainer was missing.
And it's on YouTube black andwhite All the cops are there
with their 303 still in thepaper.
And it's just crazy.
I've heard that story.
It's crazy, oh, it's crazy, andI've got one of his guns and
I'm going to put a timber stockon it because the fibreglass
stock is heinous.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
It's just disgusting For those that are listening.
Dylan is still here.
He's just formulating hisanswer on what he likes about
the 25-06.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, what do?

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
you think about the 25-06, Dylan.
Look, a nice range of numbers25-06.
Yeah, 25 and 6 are good numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
If you subtract 6 from 25, you get your age.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
No, you don't, it's 19.
I'm a year older what's thelure called?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
uh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
So I've just researched yep, the umbrella rig
or the alabama rig, so prettymuch it's like um, just like,
literally you got one bit ofwire, then you got like six bits
coming off and they've all gotlike their own certain hook on
them and they just run likeplastics on it and like they're
like seriously crazy, likethey've got like little metal

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blades in it.
So it's just like a school offish swimming past and I was
interested so I did someresearch and they are illegal in
Tassie.
You're only allowed two lureson one lawn so you can make your
own.
It's just got to have two lureson it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Can the others be teasers?
Why is the balloon coming off?
All these?

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
screeches Because you put the peace.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Sign up and you're on your phone.
What happened there?

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
This happened on a for those that are listening.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
What's happened is Dylan's just given us the peace
sign and, because he's filmingon his phone, his camera's
recognised that he's celebratingBaitcast today and has put some
balloons up for him.
That is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
When you learn something every day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
I was looking at it.
I'm like am I okay?
Am I falling asleep?
Yeah, that is out there.
Oh well, I went from being poor.
Where were we?

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
25.6.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Kelly what's the noise?
That's my daughter going to getme a drink?
Oh right, water.
Yeah right, it's a weeknight.
No see, I'll get her to put alittle tablet of something in it
because since I've had thisgastric sleeve operation, you
need to take in a fair fewminerals and bits and pieces
that you don't get through yourfood.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Get some cellulose.
That's it.
Where's the balloons?
Look at him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
He's like a kid in a candy shop, but he is a kid
anyway, right.
So question time I put it outto the boys today that had you
guys coming on.
But he's a kid anyway, right.
So question time I put it outto the boys today that had you
guys coming on.
Now there's 19 questions inthis, one question from Josh,
who is a friend of mine, whoreally only shoots pigs in State
Forest, but he does well in itShort questions, so we answer

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them real quick.
They are short questions, butI'm just going to like dump them
all.
No, righto.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Best time of day to catch trout.
You want me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Falling light or rising light?
Okay, falling light or risinglight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
And this is hard bodies or plastics.
I'm a hard bodies man hardbodies depends on depends on you
this was his turn to answer.
Who sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
yeah, exactly, it depends on your area, like if
I'm fishing a rocky area.
I love to fish hard bodiesbecause I find if you get a good
hard body that vibrates reallywell and you fish it over rocks,
that vibrator will go off a lotmore wider than you know.
Just a soft plastic with norattle, but like weeds and reeds

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and all like seagrass stufflike that, probably more plastic
.
They absorb the vibration.
They've each got their ownspace.
But if I had to pick one tofish with for the rest of my
life, it would definitely be ahard body, righto own space.
But if I had to pick one tofish, with for the rest of my
life.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
It would definitely be a hard body right and lure
technique.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Hooch for uh trap I'll do one for kids.
If you take kids trout fishingand use soft plastics, the speed
that they wind them in when youtell them not to wind at all,
that speed that kids will windis perfect speed for trout
because kids never, when theycast something out, they must
bring it back in.
So they'll cast it out and youjust turn around and you look at

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them and you say, now don't youwind that in and deliberately
look away from them and ignorethem.
And the kids will.
They'll be winding it in andthey'll be seeing if dad's
looking and that's the perfectspeed to catch a trout.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Right Fishing upstream or downstream.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Always.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Oh like if.
I'm ever fishing.
Are you casting up or casting?
Yeah, casting up I will like,not Like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I will try to avoid it for the life of me.
Casting downstream, like somestages, obviously it's all right
, like if the water's movingslow, if you're trying to fall,
like if you're fishingrelatively fast water, like just
casting downstream, it's justnot going to work.
Like your lure is not going toswim, right, it's not going to

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look realistic because you'vegot a little tiny lure that's
jumping out of the waterswimming up against vast
currents.
So like upstream, pretty muchonly for me anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Righto Hooch Target area in the river.
What am I looking for?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Water coming in, whether it be a little stream or
even water running off apaddock, More often than not in
fresh water.
That fresh water if you've hada fresh rain will be bringing
food in um.
The trout will just be sittingwaiting for it.
They're fairly lazy.
They'll be in behind a rock orbe in under a bank, and that's
another reason why dylan will becasting upstream, because
you're trying to cast upstreamand bring your um bait or lure

(01:23:15):
down and they'll be just therewaiting to ambush it rightio, I
think we covered this how tohandle them once you've caught
them yep pretty much break theneck and put them in the esky if
you're going to release, I was

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
going to go with wet hands if you're going to release
trout.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Wet your hands, try and that's actually.
I've never heard anyone say whathooch said earlier on about
like as soon as you pull thefish out of the water, like take
a breath, and as soon as youfeel like you're about to die,
put the fish back in.
That's something I've neveractually heard being said before
.
That's actually like reallygood information, because,

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especially with like a camera orsomething like that, it's easy
to quickly forget.
You go oh, you get a good one,get a good one, and then the
fish slips out of your hand andyou pick it back up and then
it's like oh, yeah, get a goodone, and then a minute's passed.
That's like if you're trying tobreathe, well, unless you're a
very good at holding your breath.
You're probably struggling.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
No, it's a bit vague on this one Key things to look
for to find the fish and I thinkwe covered that with you know
water coming in, but if youhaven't got any water coming in,
are you looking for?
Uh, still water, moving water,eddies off the side, uh,
swirling water?

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
um, you go deal, you go like like, um, like, if we're
talking, if we're talking, it'sgot to be differently.
We're talking lakes.
You're mainly looking forstructure, like.
One thing with fishing lakesthat's really handy is look at
which way the wind's blowing,because you'll get your big
lakes and it'll blow straightLike, say, it's been blowing

(01:24:57):
southerly, southerly, southerly,so that shore on the southern
side is going to have all likeso much food and like everything
pushed up on it.
Like, yeah, it's harder to fishbecause you've got the wind
coming behind you.
You've got to try and stay awayfrom the shore, but I can
guarantee you you will find somuch more fish on that bank that

(01:25:18):
is getting hammered by the windand it's rocky You're both
shaking and stuff like that thanwhat you would just going up
the calm and fishing, nice andcalm, but on rivers and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
That's a good point, because people think lakes don't
have current, but essentiallythe wind is doing it minutely.
Yeah, the wind is the currentand we don't even current, but
essentially the wind is doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yeah, the wind is current, yeah, and we don't even
.
Yeah, we don't even.
And, um, like it's interestingtoo, like I'll watch the weather
before I'm even.
Like the days before I'mfishing there, like some of the
really big lakes in tassie like,say, it blows like you know,
like the same way for the lastthree days, and then it changes
the day that you're fishing, alot of people will go to the
bank that you are actuallyfishing but not realize that a

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lot of the food's already beenflown to another shore so
there's still fish that areactively feeding on that shore,
because you know there's been somuch food pushed down there
recently.
Um, but like in rivers andstuff like that, you know any
like underground sort of bankswhere the banks you can see that
the banks like sort of come outlike or trees covering the

(01:26:25):
water, just trying to get intoas much structure as you can
without getting snagged orcasting into a tree.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Righto, and last one on this section for you, hooch,
because I know you've done afair bit of sport fishing.
If you want to taxidermy offish or get one mounted in that
capacity.
If we're talking trout versussport fish, I know it's a sport
fish now they're usually justusing measurements and molds,
but with the trout are theydoing the same, or we, you know,

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is there still guys doing skinmolds?
Uh, skin mounts and things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Depends on what you want to do and how much you want
to pay, but yeah, they'll doanything you want.
Really, those guys that aretaxidermists are pretty freaky
when it comes to art and howthey want to go about it.
Some of the bigger moulds withthe sports mounts they've got
enough moulds they've done overthe years that they can tell
people you know this off ameasurement and they'll do a
mould off a fish they've alreadycaught, but some people would

(01:27:26):
like to tick that box and getthe actual fish done, which is a
fair bit of work, so it's,principally, much of a muchness.
I remember, though, going backto hunting the first ever deer I
had mounted looked like they'dstretched the skin over a
gumboot full of plaster of Paris, and now they're just amazing,
like the last deer I had donethe veins in the neck and the

(01:27:48):
eyes and the whiskers.
It's just like chalk and cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Who did that last one for you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
I can't remember his name.
There's not many down there,but he was in Westbury.
He's got a big shed in Westburyand he's very.
He was a short fella dark hair,sorry, hagley Hagley.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
It's an art form and I think they're all a little bit
like to be a taxidermist andspend your life hanging around
dead animals.
I think it's a bit like being achef.
You've got to be a little bitdifferent because you know you.
Just I don't know on the fishingside of it, like, um, I've got
some more questions for youaround horror stories, but one

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of my better fishing storiesever was I had absolutely no
idea what I was doing.
I had bought a fishing licenseabout 15 minutes before going
down to this bit of water.
I was at Mallacoota, which youmentioned earlier, hooch, and
right off the point there justbelow there's like a little
bench chair.
We were camping there at theCaribbean Park, right down the

(01:28:50):
bottom.
I had three fishing rodsbecause I was productive by
myself and I baited them all upwith a little bit of prawn.
I threw one in and then put itunder that foot, and then I was
getting the rod on and I baitedthem all up with a little bit of
prawn.
I threw one in and then put itunder that foot, and then I was
getting the other one ready.
I threw that one in and putthat under that foot and then,
as I was getting the other oneready, the one on my left foot
just got taken out of my foot.
I was like, oh, I've got adecent fish.
I thought I'll get that in asecond and in my corner of my

(01:29:13):
eye I saw this fishing rod startto disappear and head out the
water.
I end up I catch a quarter 40centimeter brim, which I didn't
know is a pretty damn good brim.
Yeah, it's a massive brim.
Well, I didn't know that and Ialso didn't know that they're
freaking old, like the age of a26 year old brim apparently is I
can't remember what the answerwas now, but like 20 plus years

(01:29:35):
old or something.
To get to that 14 years orsomething.
It took a long time to get tothat size.
I I felt a bit bad for killingit, but it tasted okay, but I
wanted to get it mounted andonce I found out it was a good
one, but I'd already eaten it.
So I rang this guy calledAnthony Valley Taxidermy in
Melbourne and he said how bigwas it?

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I said 40.
And he said did you measure it?
I said yeah, was it?
I said 40 and he said did youmeasure it?
I said yeah, it was 39.5, butwe, we round up and he said, oh,
it's fine.
He said I've got a mold forevery centimeter from 35 to like
45, um.
So, like you're saying, he'salready got them pre-done and
you just put the order in forwhatever size and I never got it
done because it was the sameprice as getting a fallow deer

(01:30:18):
mounted, and personally Iprobably thought that was a
little bit too expensive,considering it's fibreglass
mould that he then paints.
But you know, I don't know whatit takes to paint a mould
either.
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah, it takes a little bit.
They airbrush it and they goand then they'll finish it off
by hand with a little bit ofextra dexterity and art form.
But it's not like a punch themout thing, but it is a little
bit better than the skin malt.
Now with taxidermy and animalsthat have been presented, do you

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know where the most impressivetaxidermy collection pre-1940s
was?
In the Southern Hemisphere?

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
I feel like it's a Tasmanian answer, but no, I
don't know, Corn Hall.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Corn Hall, tasmania.
And so Corn Hall was thismassive property in the Midlands
, and I've never seen it or beenthere, but legend says that the
great-grandson of the peoplethat well, that's probably
great-great-grandson of the lastowners that were naming rights
to that their young son in his20s about your age, dylan would

(01:31:27):
travel the world just shootingeverything, and there's even
some animals in there thatweren't even discovered.
And this is fair dinkum.
He's got some animals namedafter him because he bought them
back and people had not seenthem before, and so that might
be worth a little bit of aninteresting story for me to
follow up on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Yeah, send me the details of that.
Yeah, Cornhorn.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
It's spelt Q-U-O-R-N, and now it's one of the premier
fallow deer shooting propertiesin Tasmania, and also it's like
in the middle, at the back ofCampbelltown, the middle of
Tasmania, and back in the 40s itused to have its own racetrack
as well.
So it's pretty interesting.
You did just say Campbelltown,didn't you?
Campbelltown.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Okay, so we have a Campbelltown near where I live
and it's not where you'd want togo to see.
No, no, I've heard that we'rerunning a bit long on time, but
there's a story I wanted to telltonight and the only reason I
got you on none of this has beenrelevant was to tell this one
story.
But I'll get to that because Iwant you to feed into it.
I had a horror story recently.
It's a fishing-related one andI can't tell it without it being

(01:32:32):
a fishing-related.
So I want to ask you about anyhorror stories.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
I feel like dylan spent most of his life on shore.
Have you done much boatingstuff and had any like boating
related bad stories?
Yeah, I've, I've.
I've had one smart one, sure,who just had a few.
Um, I've, I've got like a 4.2meditini that I run all of my
lakes and stuff like that out of.
And um, was that lake echo,which is a lake in the central
highlands of Tassie that cuts uprelatively bad, and me and a

(01:33:07):
couple of mates were up therecamping and we decided, no,
we're going to go back and Icame in, put the boat up, pulled
it up, tied it up and the windwas blowing directly across from
the boat ramp and I was aboutprobably a kilometre walk from
the patrol because there wasn'treally any campsites close, not

(01:33:33):
because of people, just becauseof not much access.
So we sort of went a bitfurther and I walked there and I
got back and then when I gotback, my boat was probably about
50 meters from shore, justfloating directly across the
other way.
And um, yeah, we, long storyshort, no one else there had a

(01:33:59):
boat and some random person hadto come with a boat and it was
literally like just getting ondark that we actually got across
to the other side and we saw iton the other side of the other
side of the lake, and then, likeI had to like jump out this is
like probably about a three,four, five degree day and I've

(01:34:23):
had to like jump into the lake,like pull my boat out, because
it was like on on the on theland.
I'd like pull it out, twist itoff and then get, get back over
the other side.
But yeah, that was, that wasprobably about the dumbest thing
I've ever done.
Um, so now, whenever I put my.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Did you regret not learning how to tie knots when
you were at Scouts?
Was it tied?
To a branch, or what happened,what made it cut loose?

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
I just genuinely, I don't even I pulled it up, I
tied it and then I just cameback and I don't even know.
I didn't really look at therope that well until I got back.
I don't know whether it justlike teared a little bit or and
snapped or.
Yeah, it's just horrors, justdumb decision.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
It's a long day.
At least you had reception toring someone.
Yeah, yeah, go on.
Who to tell us your worst one?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
one.
Well, I've had a fewbum-puckering moments at sea,
but this story isn't my story,but every time this chap tells
it it affects me.
I get goosebumps when he tellsit.
So you might not have heard ofhim, but Michael Newell and Matt
Newell, they were on a cookingshow many years ago as a father
and son team and he now is on aradio station down here in

(01:35:41):
Hobart.
Mick Newell, he in a previouslife was an abalone diver and
they used to dive around WhaleHead, which is quite south, and
they were coming back from anarea which was, I think, they
were diving in and around PedraBranca, which is the last stop
before New Zealand pretty much,and they were diving and there's
a big pinnacle comes up,they're heading back and they've

(01:36:02):
got these two big Azabalanidivers.
They're all two Bob layers.
They've got this catamaran withthese two big, powerful motors
and they go on full noise andthey used to have a bar or some
sort of a system in which thisbar would steer both motors, so
you'd only have the hydraulicsteering on the one motor and
the bar would do the work.
That, of course, puts a lot ofload on that, that junction, and

(01:36:22):
and I think that broke orsomething happened and both
motors went instant hard left orhard right, I can't remember
but of course that that actionof those motors, while they're
going one way, threw them bothout of the water.
They're like eight nauticalmiles from anywhere and they
took off without them.
No time to get.
Um, you know, I'd imagine,because it was a boat over seven

(01:36:46):
meters, no life jackets, hadthe wetsuits on.
You know, they were young andbulletproof.
Um, and the boat's just headingoff and and the mate that he was
with was, you know, it wasn'tlong, and they were crying and
saying their goodbyes and thiswas it.
And then they noticed that thecatamaran just started to come

(01:37:08):
back around and do this slowcircle and then, by some freak
bit of fate, it came back on thesame sort of apex turn and arc,
and one of them decided thatthey would try to climb up on
this thing I can't rememberwhich one it was, I think it
might have been Mick Clam it upand, mind you, you've got two

(01:37:31):
giant human egg beaters thatwant to just mule you to pieces
at the back of the boat.
And he actually managed toclamber on, picked his mate up
after saying their goodbyes tothe world and then jerry-rigged
some steering system and made ithome.
And every time he tells thatstory given some of the
bum-pucker moments I've had atsea I just get goosebumps.

(01:37:51):
When he tells it it's justuncool, that's crazy, yeah, it's
nuts.
And he tells it really well,being a radio host and a bit of
a character.
Oh Crazy, yeah, it's nuts.
And he tells it really well,being a radio host and a bit of
a character.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Oh, that was pretty well, I'll take your word for it
.
So I'd just come back fromDarwin, I spent a couple of
weeks up there and fishing's notmy forte, but these clients I
had.
We did a buffalo trip fromTexas seven days out there and
then we went to Dundee Beach fora two-day fishing charter and I

(01:38:27):
hadn't used this guide before.
Uh, I had a booking agent thatI use up there for my fishing
trips and the guys I had usedbefore were busy.
I booked, so we end up withthis new guide.
Um, so, anyway, I had no historyor didn't even know what we
were walking into boat wise, andhe met us at we're staying at
the novatel in darwin and methim and real nice guy, young,
fella, keen and steve's his name, and you know we headed out it

(01:38:51):
was an hour and a half out todundee and stay the night there
and then we got up in themorning and headed out fishing
and it's a.
It's a horrible time forfishing at that like this was,
you know, four weeks ago.
Right now it's a horrible timefor fishing at that like this
was, you know, four weeks ago.
Right now it's a terrible timefor barramundi fishing.
They're all there but they'rejust hunkered down, they're not
really interested in eating ortaking lures or anything.
And we fished hard for two daysand we come up with about eight,

(01:39:15):
you know, 400 mil long, ummackle, like he'd nearly call it
a donut.
It was, it was.
And steve tried, like you know,he did everything he could.
Um we were changing spots andchasing.
We went 75 k's out at one pointwith his open top single motor.
You know the water was crystal.

(01:39:35):
We had the best conditions.
Uh, I'm not a.
You know I get seasick on arough tide just down at the
local lake, but it was nicebecause it didn't affect me.
But you know, we triedeverything and the wife she
hooked onto what we can onlyassume was a stingray at some
point because it just ripped herand then sat there and we were

(01:39:57):
chasing deweys at the time, soit wasn't one of them and it
broke off.
But on our way back once I saidwhat's that?
over there.
Anyway, it was a sailfish finin the middle of nowhere, just
sunning itself, you know,stretching up and whatnot.
So we tried and played aroundwith that.
The problem was we were goingsomewhere and then we saw that
so it preoccupied us.
We spent hours trying to getthis one or two sailfish that we

(01:40:23):
could see.
The client hit it in the headtwice with the popper.
Um, like he was, he was a greatfisherman and he just we were.
I don't know how far he'scasting, let's say 30, 40 meters
.
He's only like two or three miloff on his cast and he would
have been further in front of it.
But no, he hit it in the headtwice, um, so this thing took
off and he was pretty bummedabout that, because he's from

(01:40:43):
texas, whatever, really wantedto catch a barramundi, but he'd
also never caught a billfish.
So I was pretty keen to do thatand that wasn't our target.
That was just, you know, a bitof blue water.
Anyway, we went back up one ofthe streams, um, it's called um
innis, the innis river, biginnis or something, and, sorry,
we tried to go in there theprevious day but, um, the the

(01:41:07):
tides changed so much there thatthe channel that you go in on
that he had marked in his gps,had moved slightly.
Uh, he was following his gpsand we hit, you know, with
shallow water and we had to bailout of there.
The tide was a bit wrong, so wedidn't get in there that day.
And the second day we got in,we went in earlier and, um, the
deal was, once we're in, we gotto stay in because the tide
drops, you can't get out.
Uh, so that was fine, we stayedin.

(01:41:29):
We saw so many crocodiles it'sjust big ones, like I want to
say, five meter crocs on theside of the water, just
ginormous.
These guys went on a croc tourand they didn't see crocs this
big but getting to the point.
So we'd had a pretty miserablefishing trip as far as actual
catching fish.
Um, and on our way out, anotherboat got sanded, got um, got

(01:41:53):
stuck on the sand and was therefor an hour or so while we were
still fishing but waiting forthe tide to come up.
The tide come up and he got outand another boat came in and
then Steve's like oh well, it'shigh enough now We'll be fine.
And I could see that boat'swake as we were heading out,
like they'd leave that line.
It had been gone for a minuteor so but it left this line

(01:42:15):
through the water and we weren'tfollowing it.
We were a little bit off.
I was like I don't know what'shappening.
Has it drifted?
And we're in the channel?
Anyway, we're full steam, 40k's an hour or something, and he
hits the sand and it all threwus forward on the boat and we
stopped just on the spot and youknow it wasn't hard.
He didn't even have to hop out,he just got us back in the

(01:42:36):
channel and we kept going.
Half an hour later on it was 4,35 clock in the arbor.
Half an hour later, on our wayback to the ramp, and his motor
just stops.
No warnings, nothing stops, andhe, you know, fiddled around
with some things and it gotstarted again and and then we
went another little bit, but itwas limping, it wasn't at full

(01:42:59):
performance.
And then it went another littlebit, but it was limping, it
wasn't at full performance, andthen it stopped.
It's 150, yeah, it was150-something.
Suzuki whatever, not a motorperson.
And that stop was a big one,that was a big bang.
And he put the piston throughthe head and flew the engine.
What colour was the engine?
Silver, yamaha, probably, maybeI'll find your photo Yamaha

(01:43:19):
head and flew the engine.
What color was the?
What color was the engine?

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
silver yamaha, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Anyway I'll find your photo yamaha yamaha what did I
say, suzuki, I'm a fisher.
Um, yamaha, anyway, it waspretty new.
He bought it in march and wewere in july.
Um, anyway, not his problem,like, not his and not I
shouldn't say his problem.
It was all about problem.
It wasn't his faultspecifically and anyway he only
knew that was.

(01:43:43):
But I reckon we had an oil slickbig enough to kill every
penguin within a kilometre, likethere was no fix, and we were
10km from where we needed to be.
I could see it, I could see itin the distance and we were
pretty calm about it.
We were like, oh, what do we do?
Like we.
And we were pretty calm aboutit.
We were like, oh, what do we do?
Like we'll wave down a boat.
Anyway, a boat went past us andwe waved and didn't respond,
like didn't look at us oranything.

(01:44:04):
And then he was trying tofiddle around with the motor.
I was like, oh, we'll just, youknow he'll ring someone and you
know he contacted his mate.
But his mate was in Darwin,which is two hours away, and
whatnot, whatnot, and it wasn'treally nothing was really
happening much.
We've kind of just flowed.
We had a trolling motor on.
So we're going at 1.2 k's anhour.

(01:44:25):
At six o'clock at night.
I was doing that maths that wasgoing to be dark, against the
tide, and I said this is thepolitest way I could say it
would you be offended if I didsome problem solving?
I thought that's a pretty fairway to say I've got an idea.
But I don't want to be rude.
It's your boat, it's your, youknow your deal.
And then you know what are yougoing to do, you know?
I said well, I just want toring.

(01:44:46):
I just ring the pub and saynext boat that comes into the
ramp Cause it was high tide,everyone was coming in.
Because if and next boat thatcomes in, you know, dinner and
drinks are on us, send them out,come get us and tow us in.
We'll sort it out later.
Give us some time.
I'm waiting for your mate toget back to us.

(01:45:07):
Anyway, I've never felt strandedin life Like your car breaks
down, whatever.
You're.
On the side of the road, you'vegot a phone, you get lost in
the bush.
I can't say I've ever reallydone that.
But of the road, you got aphone, you get lost in the bush.
I can't say I've really donethat, but I've been a little bit

(01:45:28):
turned around.
You can always walk.
If you're stranded in the ocean, you have nothing.
Yeah, and I had good, I had twobars of reception, um, and steve
didn't have as much I thinkhe's with vodafone or something
like that but the other thingthat he didn't have and there's
no real good way to say it is hedidn't have his antenna for his
radio.
He'd forgotten it so, and we'veall forgotten, like I can't

(01:45:49):
blame him for it.
It's a big thing to forget,admittedly, and it's a safety
thing and I think it's evenlegal, like illegal, to not have
.
But he'd forgotten it and hejust didn't pack it.
Um, he actually told me thatthe day before and I didn't
think too much of it, but thatwas the main issue, because you
would just radio someone youknow, go out to the local
channel and someone would comeand get you, um, anyway.

(01:46:11):
So when we saw a boat, it wasjust just before I was about to
ring someone because I wasgetting a bit sick of waiting.
Um, we saw a boat about a k anda half off heading to shore and
we pulled a flare.
Well, we said, imagine ifthere's somewhere we could flag
it down, and we're like lookingfor rain jackets that are fluro
or something.
And he's like oh, I've gotflares.
Oh, okay, yeah, so we got aflare and we popped that and

(01:46:35):
they come over and and towed usin.
But and I sort of said, on theway back, I'm like, can I throw
a lure out and we can troll,because this is trolling speed,
like we don't want to waste anopportunity here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
You say you're not a fisherman, but you sound like a
fisherman to me.
I'm just opportunistic.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Yeah, but I just, I don't know.
I've never felt as stranded asI did, in that I wasn't worried
because I had reception andwe're 10ks offshore and we could
put an anchor down like we'renot, we weren't in deep water.
Um, I wasn't going to swim toshore.
I could see shore too.
I'm going to do that, but it'suh, there's too many crocs up
there to be doing that.

(01:47:11):
I don't know.
It's just the only time I'vereally felt stuck in life in
that situation.
And then what didn't help wasthe clients I was with telling
because they're fishermen backhome and he was telling stories
while we're sitting there, andone what could have made that
story worse was we were 75ksoffshore earlier that morning.
Imagine if it happened outthere.
Yes, yeah, that's a, that's ano-go zone, that's a wait days

(01:47:35):
until someone happens to go pastor float to shore, hopefully.
But but he told this other storyof some guys were doing.
They were going offshore lateone Friday night and they put
their boat in cruise control andthey just cruised for hours all
night.
It would have just pulled upwhen they got there in the
morning.
They all went to bed and theywere woken up at 2 o'clock in

(01:47:55):
the morning by water.
The boat was sunk.
They hit a submerged shippingcontainer at full tilt oh wow
and just ripped the bottom ofthe boat off and they were
sinking.
They woke up in their beds inwater and they floated and they
got a life jacket each and thatwas it, that's all.
They had a life jacket and theyall had little PLBs or

(01:48:16):
something on their thing.
But that happened at two o'clockin the morning and they had to
wait until I think it was 12hours before someone got there
to get them.
And they had like middle ofnowhere, and he said, like this
is him recalling the story ofhis friend.
But you're paddling water andyou're hanging on like clipped
all each other on together in acircle, six or seven of them,
and you'd fall asleep from theexhaustion, from the adrenaline,

(01:48:38):
and then the crash.
Right, you were just wrecked.
So they were falling asleep butyour mate next to you would
kick his leg and you'd wake upreal quick because you thought
you were losing yourself to ashark, yeah, but oh man, deep
like I really like land and well, you can, just you can just get
out and walk in any instance,but when you're in a sea, you,
just you can't, you, you needrescue and I've got a pretty

(01:49:00):
cool story.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
I know we're getting on for time, but you might have
to split this to a part one andpart two of this podcast, but
this story it reminds me.
Actually I was in a CaribbeanCrest Cutter, which is an old
fiberglass boat about five and ahalf metres, and I've done a
lot of.
Actually I swapped acombination gun.

(01:49:21):
That I really regret.
It was a Bruno.
It was a Bruno combination 12gauge.
No 12 gauge on the bottom and7x57 on the top.
You should have regretted that.
Oh wait, it gets worse.
It was in a really nice box,the proper box, and it had a

(01:49:42):
second set of barrels which wasan under and over 12 gauge and I
bought it originally just forbreaking clays and when I used
to take it breaking clays I'd goto the gun clubs and I'd drag
it out.
It had this interesting itwasn't a box lock, but it was an
interesting way in which itlocked and opened and shut.
It had this wild thing going onand all the old guys were just

(01:50:04):
loving it going what have yougot there?
And I said it's an old Bruneicombination gun.
I said what do you mean,combination gun?
And I'd bring out the other boxand show them the other barrel,
which was this short stubbybarrel with a bottom 12-gauge
design for shooting slugs andthe 7x57 Morser.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
I imagine A pig gun.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Yeah, oh, that's what I bought it for.
I've bought three different pigguns and never gone pig shoot.
It makes me furious.
I had a Marlin in 45-70 leveraction that I never, never Go on
.
Circle.
Back to your story.
And so I'm out with thisCaribbean Crest Cutter and I'm
out with Mors and we've used itoff the northwest coast here.

(01:50:40):
He'd come up and we'd goflathead fishing.
So I had an idea of how muchfuel it would use, going out to
a spot fishing, rowing aroundlooking for different spots and
coming home and we were goingdown he lives down Hobart.
We're going out of Frederick,no, we're going out of Fortish
Key Bay.
And so I just took what fuel?

(01:51:02):
An extra fuel.
And I thought, oh yeah, noworries, she'll be fine.
But that trolling pace on aCaribbean Crest Cutter, on a
90CV Yamaha they use when I wasonly young, they use a
ridiculous amount of fuel and Ididn't know this.
So we're out trolling and itgot really rough.
It already had about and thiswill sound strange to
mainlanders, but it already hadthree.
And this will sound strange tomainlanders, but it already had

(01:51:23):
three and a half meters, threeto three and a half meters of
rolling southerly swell on it,which people would think why
would you go fishing?
But that's the tasmanian thing,that if you didn't go out, and
that's where you just wouldn'tgo tuna fishing.
So out we are and the windstarts to get up.
It's 15 knots on top of threeand a half meters.
Not so cool.
Then all of a sudden it's 20knots Now.
She's genuinely whipping thewater off the surface and it's

(01:51:43):
just possibly a genuine 40 knots.
And I am bum-pucker and try notto show it because the two boys
that I was fishing with they'retownies and they would panic at
the mere sight of me panicking.
I said, no, she's cool, she'scool.
Meanwhile I'm just going on andthen I'm trying to pull the
rods in because I said, no,she's time to get out of here.

(01:52:03):
So my idea was to just go outon the um the track we went,
turn around and come back in thebay on the track that we we
left in.
So I put moz on the helm, I gotand and I'm reeling in the rods
and the motor just cut out.
Now we we're at cork and thenoise on the vinyl roof was like
wah, wah, and no one could hearanyone and he's yelling out

(01:52:28):
going.
Oh, the motor's cut down, I'mgoing.
Oh, no, no, really has itreally the motor's cut out.
And so I just said to him don'tyelled out, don't panic, it'll
just be fuel.
And I just made that up.
I didn't have a clue because Ithought we'd have got lots of
fuel.
But luckily, while I was doingthis he's turned hard starved

(01:52:50):
and he's gone up onto an area wewere in 70 metres of water.
He went up on an area that waslike 45, 35 and had a reef
between these two things calledthe Hippolytes.
And when that happens, happensthe sea and the wind makes just
a tumultuous mess and it jacksthe swell up.
And all of a sudden I'm tryingto get it going.
I look up and I see thischarter boat which is about 40

(01:53:11):
foot of charter boat.
All I'm seeing is the bottom ofthe charter boat and he's
rocking and rolling like this.
And I could just tell we knewthat guy and I could just tell
he didn't know it was us.
But he'd be saying have a lookat these idiots.
He'd be going and you wonderwhy people drown at sea.
So I felt the 20-litre containerand it was dead empty and I

(01:53:31):
thought, oh, thank God for that.
So I've swapped it over, I'vepumped it a couple of times and
I've yelled out to Mazda tostart the engine now and of
course it ran dry so it wasn'tgoing to fire up straight away.
The carbibowls were all emptyand I pumped it a few times but
not enough to pump thecarbibowls so it wouldn't go and
he starts panicking.
I was nearly after going toopen hand slap him if he was

(01:53:53):
that bad Finally got it to go.
We finally got back in underthe cover of the Hippolyte
Cliffs and we were high-fivingourselves like West Indian
cricketers.
We'd survived and we'd only gotthe one fish, which was a bit
of a drama, but at least we gotthe one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Yeah, well, that's more to show for it than we had
for that day, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Oh, but it's not a good, even though I was putting
up a lot of bravado as Skipper.
You've got that extra pressureand you're like you don't want
to be that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
That's, you know, been you know You've got to keep
it all in here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Yeah, yeah, whereas the other two were just
completely freaking out.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
It's like how Dylan keeps it together when you start
a new story.
He's just like keeping it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Yeah, exactly, or when I start hacking on him
about his tattoos Exactly Abouthis cat tattoo.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
Well we've run out of time we won't get you to show
your tattoos, Dylan.
I really appreciate you bothcoming on tonight and it's been
very informative.
I've learned a bit.
It seems like Dylan's learned alittle bit about Y2K and all
sorts of things.
25 and 6.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
And Hooch has just had a good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
time 25 and 6 is 19.
Good math, good work there time25 and 6 is 19.
Good math, good work, but uh,math.
So, um, before we go, how dothe how do the listeners find
you guys got the snag podcastand snagcom, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
yeah, so we um.
So we've got uh, snag.
So we've got snag podcast onyoutube, which is just our
podcast that's like free toaccess.
We've also got wwwsnagcomau andthat is like a paid to um watch
.
So we're going to be sort ofdoing like how-to videos and um

(01:55:33):
like interviews with you knowcertain people that go fishing
around australia and big fishingnames and stuff like that and
you you know a bit moreinformation on it, like that.
Plus, we're also doing like agiveaway each week with like
Shimano stuff and other sort ofcool fishing gear and like if

(01:55:53):
you part of your membership ofbuying you know into is you know
you get a chance.
Get a chance to.
We give like fishing reels andstuff like that.
Like the first week we gaveaway shimano stella, which is
worth about one and a half grand.
We gave away one of them thisweek.
It was a shimano vanted, whichis about 400.

(01:56:14):
So good prizes.
Thanks to shimano for helpingus out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
So yeah, Exclusive prize, that one.
I believe that was the firstone in the country slash state.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
Yeah, they came out literally just after, like last
week, they were announced.
So yeah, for first in deals,that's a good deal.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Yeah, we might be able to do a cross-promotion
dodge.
We're going to have a talk toThomas and we could have a prize
for your channel.
Come fish with Hooch Dylan andThomas and you can come along.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
I don't think that's one too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
We could teach a few things we might do who knows, as
long as we don't go offshore.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
I'll be checking the jerry cans.
Oh, we can do whatever weanyone, but uh I was saying to
dylan before we started uh,tasman is the only state I
haven't actually been to, andthe wife we're only talking
about it just the other dayshe's been as a kid.
But we want to go back and takethe family down and we're
looking at february next year.
So I'll uh, I'll be hitting youboys up for some daddy daycare

(01:57:20):
time where I'll take the kidsand we'll go and get some hooch
special techniques.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
Dylan's the man on techniques.
I just like to just kill fish.
No.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I'll take Dylan along because he'll hang out with the
kids.
I just like to snap necks, snapnecks, no they can talk about
what they're learning atpreschool together.
I'll get along with them.
No, but can talk about whatthey're learning at preschool
together.
I'll get along with them.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
No, but we can tease that out, because if we can get
a bit of a, if you come downthen and you get a listener, you
might do a three-month or asix-month prize and we can get
them across to come fishing withus all and then that's good,
because we can turn that aroundand we can go fox shooting and
I'm coming yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
I want to put my 17 HMR to work.
Yeah, let's do that and we'llget you up here and we'll do
some samba hunting not somethingI'm very well versed in, but I
actually locked in a guest todayand I won't mention him because
people listening will try andwork it out, but he's a samba
guru and I'll send you the linkto that episode when it comes
out.
I'm keen to go pig shooting.
I'll shoot anything, doesn'tworry me.
But thanks for to that episode.
When it comes out, I'm keen togo pig shooting.

(01:58:21):
Well, I'll shoot anything, itdoesn't worry me.
It doesn't worry me.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
But thanks for being on boys.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
It's been a great night, no worries, and to
everyone listening, cheers fornow.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Thank you Very much appreciate it.
Where's the balloons?

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
One more time.
So where are the balloons?

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Get them, get them going.
I've ruined it.
Where's the?

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
yeah, there it is.
Oh, dude, look at those glutes.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Yeah, you guys stay there.
I'll press stop, we'll be rightback.

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