July 4, 2025 • 46 mins
🎙 Episode Title: From Construction to Clothing: A Journey of Passion
In this powerful and wide-ranging conversation, host James Finochio sits down with his son to share the inspiring story of launching a clothing brand while navigating life in the construction industry. This episode of Across The Table explores the intersection of hard work, creativity, family legacy, and the evolving world around us.
From managing language barriers with overseas manufacturers to upholding high standards of quality and affordability, James opens up about the gritty, behind-the-scenes reality of building a brand from the ground up. Listeners will gain insights into the apprenticeship journey, where young workers learn essential skills and safety in the trades—something James deeply values from his own experience.
The conversation then expands into hot-button topics like the role of AI in fashion design and marketing, the double-edged sword of social media exposure, and the complexities of modern identity, religion, wokeness, and political correctness. With honesty and nuance, James and his son reflect on how to remain grounded in purpose while engaging with an ever-changing society.
Whether you're an entrepreneur, a creative thinker, or simply someone interested in the intersections of business, culture, and personal growth, this episode offers thought-provoking perspectives and practical wisdom.
💡 Key Topics Covered
- Building a clothing brand from scratch
- The importance of quality and affordable fashion
- Communicating with international manufacturers
- The value of apprenticeships in the construction field
- Why construction safety matters
- Using AI in creative design and business
- Leveraging social media for authentic marketing
- Navigating cultural conversations around politics, religion, and wokeness
- Understanding identity, acceptance, and personal evolution
🔗 Connect with Rare Intentions and James Finochio:
🌐 Website: www.rareintentions.net
📷 Instagram: @Rare.Intentions.US
🎵 TikTok: @JimmmmmyFinochio
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
You're listening to Across the Table.
I'm James Fenocchio.
And around here, we believeeverybody's got a story to tell.
Let's get to it.
With me today, I have my son,James Fenocchio.
Thanks for calling.
Yep.
So, what have you been doingwith yourself lately?
(00:20):
Not much, you know what I mean?
Just making clothes.
Working on different marketingtactics, you know what I mean?
Just trying to figure out thebest way to sell and get my
product out to an audience.
And then also just working a lotbehind the scenes on getting the
quality right, everything.
Just figuring out what we wantto do to go the extra mile for
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our customers.
You know what I mean?
And just make sure it's a goodexperience when you buy from my
brand.
What's that been like for you?
It's been annoying at times,100%.
It's definitely fun.
It's nice to do.
I'd rather deal with problemswith something I want to be
doing other than anything else.
(01:03):
But it definitely gets annoyingsometimes.
And then getting product in fromoverseas because the prices in
the United States areridiculous.
You know what I mean?
I don't want to charge an armand a leg.
You know what I mean?
A big thing about what I want todo is provide affordable quality
pieces.
(01:23):
You know what I mean?
So I don't want to becharging...
$150,$200 for a t-shirt.
And then if there comes a timewhere I do do that, I'd still
like to have affordable optionsfor people out there.
You know what I mean?
So that's just been interestingbecause the communication with
working overseas just getsannoying sometimes.
(01:44):
You know what I mean?
They have ways overseas where itseems like they're understanding
you, but on some things like Youjust have to make it very
direct.
So are they using like atranslator app or something?
I don't know fully because whenyou get connected with these
manufacturers, a lot of the timethey'll have a person that's
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like a sales rep.
You know what I mean?
So that's what they'll do.
They basically do thecommunication with you,
everything.
You know what I mean?
They make your quotes out.
They get you your better prices.
But the good thing about havingthat sales rep is that uh no
matter what you can negotiate ifprices you know i mean nothing's
ever since done you know whati'm saying if you know how to
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negotiate you can get yourself abetter price you know what i
mean and that's a good partabout that but it's just the
language barrier so obviouslythere's a leverage barrier they
go around every day you knowwhat i mean if you're getting
yourself from china obviouslythey're speaking chinese on the
day-to-day you know i meanthat'd be like if me and you
took a second language or sayit.
Trying to speak Chinese.
Exactly.
If the rules were reversed andthey were texting us in Chinese,
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that's how it would be.
So I'd imagine they'retranslating them in some way.
You know what I mean?
But I'm not 100% sure how thatgoes on that end.
I just try to make surecommunications are clear and
that they can fully repeat backto me what I want.
You know what I mean?
So that's like the only way youcan make sure that you're
getting what you want done.
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You know what I mean?
UNKNOWN (03:13):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
That makes sense.
That's got to be challenging.
It gets to be.
It gets to be annoying, too,when you put all this time,
effort, and money into a certainproduct, and then you
communicate.
You communicate it clearly howyou want it, and it doesn't come
out that way because there's alanguage barrier.
You know what I mean?
Right.
That's how it happens.
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Yeah.
Well, that's interesting.
I'd rather be annoyed at thatthan be annoyed at my 9 to 5.
Yeah.
So everyone knows what do you doat your 9 to 5.
Yeah, I work construction.
I'm a commercial painter,commercial drawable finisher.
I love it at times.
At times, I hate it and wouldrather do anything else.
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But it keeps me busy, you knowwhat I mean?
It teaches you you got to workhard every day doing that, you
know what I mean?
You got to do stuff you don'twant to do.
So it teaches you that workeffort, you know what I mean?
puts money in the bank.
Especially when it's 90 degreesoutside and humid and you're
spraying a bunch of paint.
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Spraying a bunch of paint.
You're mixing stuff with crazychemicals that get you high if
you don't wear a respirator.
You know what I mean?
Working in those big-ass lifts,getting around stuff, not fun.
Yeah.
Or dealing with just annoyingpeople up your ass all day.
Annoying contractors up your assall day.
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You know what I mean?
Right.
UNKNOWN (04:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
It's definitely different than how it used to be
when I first started.
I can only imagine.
So you came into the union.
I got you into the union throughthe apprenticeship program.
Tell me your thoughts on theapprenticeship program so far.
You have all your stuff done.
(05:00):
Yeah, all my training done.
I just don't have all my on-sitehours.
But I think the apprenticeshipprogram is really good.
You know what I mean?
I feel like I liked all theinstructors that were up in
Carnegie.
I think they all do a reallygreat job.
You know what I mean?
They run it good up there.
They're very professional.
And they get you a good feel forwhat they have of what it's like
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to be on site.
You know what I mean?
And obviously, there's a bunchof stuff that you might not
agree with as a student, thatyou might be annoyed that you
have to go out for a week, missout on paying stuff.
But that's just part of theprocess.
You know what I mean?
It makes you a better...
It makes you better in whatevertrade you're in.
I don't know.
(05:45):
You think some of the stuff youlearn is pointless, but then you
get out and you see it has areal effect.
We're learning aboutpaintbrushes, how they're made,
what types of paintbrushes.
I'm like, man, this is stupid.
I'm sitting in the class, butthen you get out and you know
that, hey, maybe this brushworks good for latex.
If I'm using an oil-based brush,I want to use...
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the brush that would go withoil-based paint.
You know what I mean?
I haven't painted in a littlebit, so my mind's a little
scattered when I'm thinking, butif I walk in the showroom, you
know what I mean?
But yeah, there's definitelythat.
A china bristle.
Working, teaching you safety,you know what I mean?
Because there's a lot of stuffyou do that no matter what, it's
unsafe.
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You know what I mean?
But if you follow the rightsafety procedures, you're not
going to hurt yourself.
It is safe that way.
And most companies will not careif you are unsafe.
Yeah, most companies won't.
It's up to you to know thestandards of what it is and what
you can do.
You know what I mean?
There's a certain point in timewhere sometimes you got to man
up and do it.
But it is safe.
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You know what I mean?
And I feel like that's a bigstigma from the older generation
in the construction industry.
Is that like, to put it frankly,you're a little bitch if you
don't do certain stuff.
And I just feel like...
I just feel like that's stupid.
At the end of the day, we're allhere to collect a paycheck.
Nobody would be here doing thisevery day for fun.
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I'm going to do it the safestway possible.
I don't want to hurt myself andthen put myself out of pay.
Or hurt somebody else.
Or hurt somebody else.
The goal is to go hunting.
Yeah, the goal is to go hunting.
That would be everyone's numberone.
Uninjured, yes.
There's always a betterbuilding.
Uninjured and not dead.
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Did you know a guy just gotkilled up at State College like
a week ago?
No.
What was it?
For mid-state construction onthe, I want to say the Tyring
building.
Tipton building.
I forget, but he fell off theroof.
Kill him, son.
I believe he got dead.
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Mac was telling me about it.
Mac is another finish.
He's a drywall finisher in ourunion.
But yeah, he's telling us a guyfrom mid-state drywall fell off
the roof.
And I seen it on, because I keepup with, you know, things going
on at Penn State, especiallyconstruction.
Right.
Because it affects us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's, that's not good.
(08:21):
Not good.
That always sucks.
Yeah.
UNKNOWN (08:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Yeah, definitely.
My prayers are out to hisfamily.
Yeah, me too.
I don't even know who it was.
Mid-state construction was fromright up on Brush Mountain Road.
Right.
So I'm hoping it wasn't nearScott Porter.
I met a couple guys.
I was still in that job formid-state.
Yeah, that's sad, man.
(08:44):
That's sad.
So have you been using any AI tohelp you?
Yeah, 100%.
All my designs and everything, Ido a lot of them myself.
But on this t-shirtspecifically, we wanted to do a
newspaper font.
We're doing an end war campaignbecause I think it's very cool,
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like old war stuff.
So on this, we put an old stampfrom World War II in it on
there.
And as you can see, we put endwar on it.
And then 808, that's our motto.
That's the letters we use in alot of stuff.
What's 808 about?
That's actually, what that's foris about my brother that has
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struggled a lot throughout hislife.
And basically to me, that's hisbirthday.
Basically, what that means to meis it just symbolizes, it goes
right along with intentions, youknow what I mean?
And that's part for him.
And it just basically symbolizesthat if you get your intentions
in the right place, you knowwhat I mean, at the right time,
anything you want can happen.
(09:51):
You can flip your life around.
Completely from bad to good, youknow, I mean from good to bad no
matter what so, uh, whereveryour intentions are That's where
you want to keep them.
Yeah, I mean But uh with thisshirt what we were going for was
like an old newspaper style Anduh, we wanted to just get our
message across Um about that isend war because there's a lot of
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clothes going on right now Um,and I like a lot of them, you
know what I mean?
I think the designs are great ona lot of them all that shit And
some of them might besymbolizing other stuff, like
the war.
I've seen a lot of brands dodifferent stuff, how they
symbolize war.
It's very popular right now,especially in the streetwear
community.
But I think a lot of people justalmost misrepresent what it
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should be.
And I think a lot of it shouldbe to end war, you know what I
mean?
To bring peace, you know what Imean?
But there are certain companiesthat I see...
um that they're like fightingwar within themselves what it's
about you know what i mean maybethey grew up in uh poverty
poverty stricken towns where thecrime rates high you know what i
mean so useful useful war andeverything like that but me
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personally that's what i'magainst you know i mean um you
fall into the trap when you'rewhen you're in those when you're
in poverty stricken towns whenyou're in anything so even if
that is like a symbolized war uhman you got to be different you
know what i mean it's up to youto see through all that
bullshit, you know what I mean?
There's all kinds of wars.
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There's all kinds of wars.
Mental wars.
Yeah, and across the world, youknow what I mean?
It's about ending war, you knowwhat I mean?
Coming up on top and aboveeverything, you know what I
mean?
But how we integrated AI intothis was I used ChatGBT for this
prompt on the side here, and itjust helped get us...
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get our message across a littlebit better and helped us deliver
in the newspaper style writingfor that time and everything.
It just helped a lot.
So obviously, I was around inthe 1940s to see how they see
newspapers around that.
Right.
Obviously, you did it all.
Yeah, obviously.
So it just kind of put us...
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Put us back in that era andwe're able to get in that
mindset to write a prompt thatwe wanted to put on this shirt.
And on this one, I would love toread it.
And this is a sample right here.
But the text came out blurry.
So we're going to make sure wedefinitely fix that in our
finished product and everythingthat goes out.
You know what I mean?
It's going to be 100% visible.
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You're going to see everything.
The text isn't going to beblurry.
Yeah, it is a little bit blurry.
Yeah, it is, 100%.
You think it kind of camebecause this kind of reminds me
of like an old newspaper, thematerial, like the look of it.
Yeah, yeah.
And the coloring and the wayit's like a little bit tattered
and distressed.
That's what we wanted to do.
I love the distressed look onall my clothing.
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You know what I mean?
I love that vintage look.
And I think this was like theperfect way to do it.
You know what I mean?
It looks like that vintage stylenewspaper.
It gives you that vintage look.
It gives you that distressedlook.
And we're going to change up thedistressing a little bit on the
final product and everything.
But for now, this gives you thatidea.
But the way this was distressed,it doesn't look natural to me.
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So that's why I've taken over.
I'm going to be doing all thedistressing from now on so that
it can have that natural look,that worn-in look.
Because it would naturally beover here.
Yeah.
Around in here.
Yeah, it didn't.
Definitely at the bottom, butdifferent.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
But it's the same, at leastyou're getting that.
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Right.
And that's one thing that goeswith that language barrier
there.
You know what I mean?
We have a realistic mock-up witha realistic distressing on it.
And I guess just like pants, youknow, they're going to wear at
the knees.
Right.
100%.
And that's like I starteddistressing this.
First place you're going to seea distress hat is around here in
these seams.
Seams, yep.
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Seams to stress a lot.
You know what I mean?
Definitely around the pockets.
Like I had that one Saintshoodie that's already stressed
out right there.
Yeah, that happens.
The threads falling out of it.
Right.
And I love that natural, thatdistressed look.
You know what I mean?
I love vintage clothing, allthat stuff.
So we're trying to find ways toreally incorporate that into our
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product naturally.
You know what I mean?
Nice.
So where can people go to buytheir clothing?
We have an Instagram.
It's rareintentions.us.
And basically there.
We have our website right now.
We're getting everything set upwith it, getting ready to go.
But if you click on my website,put your email in, you can sign
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up for our SMS letter.
And you'll get 10% off yourfirst order and you'll be
notified anytime we dropanything like that.
So you'll be notified abouteverything.
You'll join the family whenyou're in that SMS.
And you'll join the communitythat we're building.
And you'll get early access toevery single drop that we have.
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And then there will be ongoingdeals and promotions that our
SMS people will get access tobefore anybody else.
So that's interesting.
That's interesting.
When do you think your firstlaunch is going to be?
And what do you think it'll be?
Because I know you have a fewmore clothes ready to go.
Yeah, we do have a few moreclothes ready to go.
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And I'm hoping for...
It'd be nice to do the 4th ofJuly.
You know what I mean?
To kick your ass off all ofthat.
It'd be nice to do the 4th ofJuly.
Right.
And I would love if we can getthis shirt right and ready to
launch by then.
That would be great.
But...
We're looking at, I think I'mlooking at launching a different
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shirt and a different pair ofshorts and bundling them to
launch for my first job.
Because a lot of it, likenothing has to be changed on it.
They came out great.
You know what I mean?
Oh, wow.
That's a good place to startthough.
Yeah, 100%.
So they kind of go hand in handtogether.
I'd like to talk more about it,but I'm going to leave that for
the Instagram.
(15:58):
Yeah.
definitely follow there.
You know what I mean?
Get updated on our latest dropsand everything.
And definitely those pieces cameout great.
I'm very excited to drop them.
You know what I mean?
So, and it'll be George in at-shirt.
So cool.
Awesome.
So, yeah.
Well, we're hoping to launchthis on the 20th.
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That'd be awesome.
First day of summer.
Right.
So definitely kick it off yoursummer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely, I'm interested beingyour generation.
Do you guys even watch cablenews?
No, I don't personally.
I can't speak for my wholegeneration, obviously.
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But I don't really pay attentionto much stuff in the news.
Obviously, I do see stuff that'sgoing on in social media because
I am on social media.
And that's something I want towork on is because I feel like I
waste so much time scrolling onsocial media.
I could do way more productivestuff within that time.
You know what I mean?
But that's basically socialmedia is basically how I get all
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my news.
You know what I mean?
And then obviously I always takeout the grain of salt because
there's so much stuff on socialmedia that is like essentially
yellow journalism back in theday.
You know what I mean?
There's so much fake news onthere.
The kind of stuff AI can createlooks insanely realistic.
And my biggest thing with socialmedia is that I feel like it's a
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platform that it gives everybodya platform to express their own
opinions and not everybody hasgood opinions.
You know what I mean?
I'm sorry.
A lot of people talk on stuffthey don't know about.
A lot of people don't use it Ifeel like for the way it's
supposed to be used, you knowwhat I mean?
To share your life, maybe sharea part of your life that you
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want to do.
You know what I mean?
I find it awesome for clothing.
You know what I mean?
I love seeing other creators onthere create cool ass clothes.
You know what I mean?
And I like seeing creators thatI follow.
It's cool to see people gettingpaid off that to entertain
people.
You know what I mean?
Other than making like TV showsand stuff like that.
Now you can sit down and watchmultiple creators.
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I love how much stuff there is.
Like when I was a kid, you neverhad, you had three TV stations.
Yeah, that's it.
And so whatever.
But now you got wealth.
Look at how many artists likeOliver, Oliver Anthony.
Nobody'd ever found him.
UNKNOWN (18:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Bunch of artists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I love the things that arehappening now and the way that
you can just discover things andyou don't have to be sold by
people with big money.
Right.
100%.
And I feel like that's how itshould be.
I think it gives a lot of powermore to creators.
You know what I mean?
Whether that is whatever type ofcontent you're creating, whether
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you're creating a product,creating art, you know what I
mean?
I think it gives more power tothem that you get influenced out
there.
And then you can also market onsocial media for 10 times
cheaper than it would be tomarket anywhere else.
Oh, my God.
Imagine buying a TV commercialwith WTAJ or on the radio.
I think the radio is like$1,000a month.
(19:16):
Yeah, and if you just put apicture up on the commercial,
nobody's going to want to buythat.
You know what I mean?
So also the amount of money thatwould go into production to get
a good commercial that wouldconvert.
You know what I mean?
There's stuff like that.
It just makes it a lot easier.
You can put pictures up.
You can definitely, you can justget your idea of how you want
to, of the content you want tocreate out there for a lot
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cheaper than it would be payingto a lot more eyes.
You know what I mean?
You can set your exact audiencethat you want to get to.
So, you know, you don't have towaste views of people that
wouldn't be interested.
You know what I mean?
Well, that's it.
When I, did the constructionbusiness.
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Marketing was not a problem.
I spent$10 per weekend to,because I would kick it off on
Friday.
And this was running meta ads onFacebook.
It wasn't even meta back then.
It was, but yeah, just Facebookads.
And I would run an ad, come upwith the content.
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I used to have, you don't evenneed someone to build your
website or do your media stuffanymore.
You can do it all with AI.
You can, you can do it allyourself.
There's so much education outthere that you can educate
yourself to do so.
Yeah.
And if you don't want to, if youwant ads, I'm sorry for cutting
you off.
If you want ads that, uh, thatthere's, there's ad agencies out
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there that you can pay that havesuccess, you know what I mean?
That will get your productconverting.
They know how to advertise itand market it.
And, um, in ways, you know whatI mean?
They have complete strategies.
They have everything for youthere, so.
Yeah.
It's nice.
Yeah.
That way you don't have to worryabout it.
You can just worry about, see, Ihave Katie.
Yeah.
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Katie is my wife.
And she's a genius.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she is very good at, shecame up with some stuff.
I'm not going to put it up hereuntil she wants me to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's amazing the most things youcan do.
100%.
It's awesome.
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How do you feel about the end ofwokeness?
I like it.
That was the stupidest thingever, dude.
Yeah, I don't feel like manypeople are very woke.
Me personally, I don't...
You know what I mean?
I don't want to jeopardizeanything.
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Obviously, like I said, myopinion...
is my opinion.
You know what I mean?
That's not what I specialize in.
But to be honest, if somebodycomes up to me telling me
they're woke, telling me aboutsomething I did that's un-woke,
I don't give a fuck.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll be, I'll sleep then.
It is.
Handsoming people.
(22:04):
I'm just doing, that's justweird.
It feels too much to me likeit's a small percentage of
people that we're, Just gangingup on people.
Think about all the people thatgot canceled.
100%.
And there's canceling peoplethat died in the 70s.
Certain stuff like that.
Come on.
Back in Thomas Jefferson.
Yeah.
(22:24):
And George Washington.
Come on, dude.
Yeah.
People always need to rememberhistory, dude.
100%.
Yeah.
And I feel like if you're thatinto history and want to dive
that deeply into it, thenmonetize that.
Don't just come out on theinternet and do that.
You know what I mean?
There's ways that you could bewoke and monetize it and get
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paid to do it.
You know what I mean?
Maybe put out a book on how wokeyou are on this situation.
But the whole culture just...
I don't know.
I basically consider myself anold school Democrat.
Until...
Trump, I would have never votedfor a Republican.
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I would have never ever, but Igrew up with him.
I knew what he was about.
Like every day of, there wasalways something that was Trump
involved on TV, Raphael Donahue,Oprah.
Like he was just always aroundfor me as a kid.
And I always looked at him andwas like, wow, yeah, that dude
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should be running for president.
He's a little bit crazy.
100%.
But I don't think you could benot crazy and do that, John.
At least a little bit.
Scott is awake at 2 in themorning giving media interviews
after the UFC fight.
(23:51):
Yeah, I've never seen somebodythe way he does shit.
I don't know when he sleeps.
And that's the other thing too,dude.
With Biden, how often do youthink we go to press
conferences?
Not that often.
This motherfucker makes oneevery couple of days and he
doesn't care what he says aboutit.
Dude, he does them daily.
(24:12):
What did he call that dude whenthey did that drone trick on
that one dude?
He got up and said, he died likea dog.
Bad daddy.
Yeah.
Oh, bad daddy.
He died like a dog.
I think that he thought it wasfunny.
That he was.
Bad.
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But something that I feel likeis interesting with...
With that, I don't find too muchinterest in politics and
everything.
You know what I mean?
Obviously, it's different whenit comes to the state of our
economy and how people aregetting treated and certain
stuff.
But other than that, I don'treally get too heavily into
politics.
I kind of just focus on what Ilike to do and try to put all my
(24:53):
effort and energy into thatevery day.
It gets distracting and it's sotribal.
And it's like they take...
things that we disagree aboutand try to make them huge.
They're not that huge.
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They really are.
It's because the media is makingso much money off of politics
that they'll paint any picturethat they can get to give more
money.
You know what I mean?
To create a narrative.
Yeah.
Well, if you look back throughtime, like I've had a lot of
years to look back, and plus,you know, I'm a history buff.
Yeah.
(25:34):
to think that the United Statesdoesn't use propaganda.
Oh, they definitely see.
Didn't Barack Obama pass somelaw about that?
Yeah, they allowed it.
The media is allowed to give us,they're allowed to lie now.
Yeah, so.
Yeah, so there's that.
Maybe we could go on to abrighter subject.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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So I'm curious with the way thatAI is going.
The...
it can either be a force forgood or a force for evil.
I'm not.
I think it's always been coming.
You know what I mean?
Artificial intelligence hasalways been out there.
But the way it is now, it's verymainstream.
You know what I mean?
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Everybody has access to it.
And I feel like it's a tool.
You know what I mean?
I don't feel like...
A lot of people are scared thatit's coming for their jobs and
everything, but I just thinkit's a tool.
You know what I mean?
The way you integrate it, it'sthe way you integrate it.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't...
I don't foresee it anytime soontaking people's jobs and doing
certain stuff because I feellike you always need the human
(26:38):
brain there to create, you knowwhat I mean, deal with certain
issues and everything.
And you still have to check yourAI.
Yeah.
You have to check it.
100%.
And...
So it's not always right.
No, it's not.
And that's what I feel like.
I feel like right now what it isis just a tool.
And I feel like if you don'twant to use AI, if you don't
want to incorporate it into yourstuff, then you're going to fall
(26:59):
behind.
Simply as that.
So you're...
coding is going to be goneshortly.
The way I see it coming down isthat we'll be the technicians
for the AI and keeping up withthe AI.
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So it's like, well, I'm going tofix certain things.
But that's probably at least afew years down the road.
But I think software writing andcoding, Those are all pretty
much over.
See, I don't know that muchabout that.
You know what I mean?
I don't really pay too muchattention to that, so I can't
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really speak too much on it.
But I could see that happening.
Yeah.
Well, like, KD's up on AI, too.
And yeah, do coding.
It's pretty much done.
I think software is probably...
max programming.
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And those are big time jobproducers.
So it is kind of scary.
Yeah.
But there's always, that's whatI'm saying.
Maybe there'll be less demandfor those jobs and everything.
But I feel like you're alwaysgoing to need actual human
brains in there to fix that AI,work on that AI.
You know what I mean?
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They know Christian very well.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's not a point.
It's just like all that stuffwith the electric cars, I feel
like.
Um, I feel like everybody'strying to get too much out of
themselves at one time.
I don't think, um, there's somany issues with electric cars
nowadays and there's, and, andthere's, um, with the Tesla's
(28:44):
too.
Yeah.
They're just, they're apollutant as well.
Those Tesla chargers.
I forget exactly what it is,but, um, but I, I know they
pollute just as well, but youknow what I mean?
Well, making the batteries.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
It's not good.
No.
So it's just another issue initself with those.
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But I think we try to integratethem and then they try to make a
mandate on them way too fast.
You know what I mean?
Everybody gets ahead ofthemselves with certain stuff.
Our electric grid can't evensupport that.
That makes sense.
Look at California.
There are brownouts all thetime.
If you live in California, thereare brownouts all the time.
(29:28):
Oh.
where Katie lived in Homer City,they would have brownouts during
a certain period of time onceHomer City shut down.
What's that?
Brownouts when everything kindof dims down.
Oh, okay.
It's like, wow, how's your bigdrain on the system?
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah.
I mean, you have to have theproper structures in place.
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Yeah, because we're not fullyready to integrate it.
I mean, I feel like it's a goodidea if you can produce it
right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, do not show us a bunch ofdata on like these windmills.
Can't get rid of them.
I don't know why.
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I'm still learning about that.
But it costs so much petroleumto make them.
This stuff just burned over thecoal.
It's silly.
Like, Then, did you see thatSpain had a big blackout?
Weaned small and blackout.
(30:33):
No.
Because they went to solar.
You mean wind?
Wind.
That's all they had.
Well, what happens when the winddoesn't blow and the sun doesn't
shine?
You don't get power.
You don't?
Makes sense.
I was listening to this guy onJordan Peterson's podcast.
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He's a big energy guy.
He knows a lot.
Nuclear is the way to go.
If we're going to producemassive amounts of energy to
support these AIs, every datacenter needs a gigawatt of
power, which is a huge amount ofpower.
(31:19):
And if this is the future, thenwe have to be able to produce
that power.
Nuclear, coal, but you have tohave, you can't just rely on
wind and solar because they'reaffected by things.
Like solar in Pennsylvania islike, last year you might have
did good, but this summer you'renot going to do great.
(31:41):
So far this spring.
And I feel like you couldintegrate it, you know what I
mean?
Yeah.
so that when you can use solar,you use it.
You know what I mean?
But you can't just cold turkeyenergy.
That's the stupidest idea I'veever heard in my life.
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And our electrical grid issuspect.
It needs help.
We need to do something withthat.
I'm surprised we haven't donethat yet.
roads and bridges like dude whenyou got bridges falling down in
pennsylvania where did all themoney go yeah that makes sense
(32:26):
100 percent oh here's anotherthing that i was hearing about
uh your generation and maybe yourecently started like going to
church and thinking more of achristian way so Well, you're 21
now.
When did you start thinking,like, towards a Christian way?
(32:50):
Because I never taught him to bea Christian.
Probably about half a year ago.
Obviously, I grew up on theother side of my family.
It was Christian.
So I did go to a Christianchurch.
I did do a lot of stuff.
I was really young, and I hatedchurch.
Every day I went, every time wewent, I didn't like church.
That's where you shifted, didn'tyou say?
Church?
(33:10):
No, I was like...
That's where you busted yourhead.
No, it's Nathan.
but uh with church it was yeah imean it was just a drag for me i
was a little kid but uh now thatuh obviously i have a developed
brain and uh just getting tothink my way and everything i
feel like it's very great incertain ways but i feel like
(33:33):
there's ways that you could workon it too you know what i mean
because there's certain stuffthat i don't agree with within
the religion and that i feellike um People just use it to
feel a purpose in themselvesbecause that's the thing with
humans.
We're so smart.
We're smarter than any other...
(33:54):
What's the word I'm looking for?
Any other breed out there.
Any other animal.
Yeah, we're the smartest animalsever.
And we have like...
Our conscience is crazy.
So I feel like people will...
use that for their purpose sothat um their life now has a
(34:15):
purpose you know what i mean iwould like people will abuse
religion and stuff and i feellike religion shouldn't be your
only purpose you know what imean i feel like it's great i
feel like it teaches you greatlessons you know what i mean it
does give people that neededthat purpose too you know what i
mean but um there's certainthings that that i don't agree
(34:36):
with within it and and and justlike the all sins are created
equal i think if i go get atattoo that should not be on the
same level as somebody murderingsomebody you know it is not and
it isn't but i don't think thatgiving a tattoo is a crime uh i
don't think it's a sin eitheryou know what i mean but uh
obviously if you're a christianand everything then it is a sin
(34:59):
so now seeing here here's theone thing that's growing up but
uh is that i do believe thatwhat Christ was teaching
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
was
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
that you can reach paradise within yourself while
you're still here on earth.
I agree with that fully as well.
You find that within yourself.
It's not for heaven because youspoke of paradise and heaven.
I don't know that I get a littlebit confused on it because you
know what?
I don't read Hebrew.
(35:32):
And so I don't feel confidentthat these people that
interpreted writings like i canhave ai interpret what i wrote
the poetry i wrote it doesn'tcome out to say but And just
like the language barrier.
(35:52):
Do you see what I mean?
You can't fully interpret that.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
It's just left up to someone'sdiscretion within the person
what's interpreted.
Right, 100%.
And I feel like that's the wholething with dinosaurs too.
How are we to fully interpretwhat the world was like back
then?
Obviously, we have science andeverything like that.
And I might sound like an idiotsaying this, but I think just
(36:15):
because that you, that's notlike, whatever it is that they
could assume how the world waslike back then.
I don't agree with that.
Not fully, at least.
Obviously, I agree that there isscience there.
I agree with what?
Just science has done amazingthings for this world and for
(36:35):
modern day technology andeverything.
But I just don't see how youcould do that.
You know what I mean?
I don't.
And how were they to interprethow people built those fucking
pyramids?
I don't do that.
I don't think fucking six.
We can't do it today.
SPEAKER_01 (36:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
So I don't know.
There are some things.
And dude, did you notice thatthe guys always, there's always
guys carrying these purses andall like you go to the Mayans,
the Aztecs, the Egyptians.
(37:14):
Everywhere, dude.
It's everywhere.
Yeah.
They don't have the same lookingpurse or handbag or something.
What the F is that about?
I don't know.
I didn't know about that untilyou were saying about it.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And then you go to Sumerians,which is the oldest civilization
(37:38):
that we know of.
They have a terribly accuratelist of kings.
UNKNOWN (37:45):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (37:47):
But then they have ones for like 270,000 years
before that.
Yeah.
Now the list of kings afterthat, that they know
SPEAKER_01 (37:57):
of, all accurate.
Why wouldn't those ones beaccurate?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (38:05):
I don't know either.
Like, I'm still, there's morequestions to ask.
The more questions there are.
Think about how advanced thosecivilizations were back then,
too.
That's crazy.
We think we're advanced.
Yeah.
And how language was created.
(38:26):
You didn't just randomly one daystart making sounds with your
mouth and that's what theymeant.
Yes.
And then start writing them onpaper.
Yeah.
Something's different.
The chimpanzee is the closestthing to us, and they're not
even close to us.
No.
UNKNOWN (38:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:44):
Yeah, I can't necessarily agree with evolution
in the way that in like a Darwinway.
The evolution theory.
Yeah, I don't think about it inDarwinian terms.
I think the most likelyexplanation for me in my head,
and I know this is going tosound crazy, is that, yeah,
(39:06):
somebody from outer space camedown and Something started
fucking with our dna Somethingdude Yeah, because it I mean,
it's definitely not us like wedidn't evolve from a fish No, no
effing way, dude.
There's nothing obscene Tosupport anything like that.
(39:30):
Yes evolution.
I do support evolution that thatthings work Change that yeah 100
But Yeah, they have adapted, andthey do adapt.
But you can't tell me that wemade that jump from a fucking
chimpanzee to a human beingwithout something.
(39:52):
God, alien, whatever.
I guess it's important tobelieve in that.
Whether you're able to find outthe truth or not, it's a truth
that does present itself.
what you believe in.
Yeah.
And all I cared about is thatthey're happy with themselves.
(40:12):
Like, I don't care what religionyou are.
I don't really carry sexualorientation.
If your trainings are, but Idon't care.
It doesn't affect me.
Well, I don't want to be madbecause someone's a trans and
I'm just, you know, my cup oftea necessarily, but you know,
(40:34):
I've met some that are and it'sum let's take you as who you are
there's a lot of people that areregular that I don't want to be
around either I just find themannoying yeah and I feel like
that's like my biggest thingwith that is uh is that when
(40:56):
you're gay trans whatever it isI don't personally mind you know
I mean you do you do whateveryou want to be you know I mean
it's not my life to live butwhen people start treating you
regularly and you start fittinginto society regularly, however
you want to, you know what Imean?
Then you ask for like specialtreatment and then wonder why
(41:19):
people have problems with it.
You know what I mean?
Because if you come around meand you're trans, cool, you can
be trans.
You can do that.
Maybe I don't feel that sameway.
I don't agree with it.
Whatever.
I can respect you for what youare.
As long as you're not in my faceand you don't want treated
specially because of that.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
And that's what I, that's whereI feel like the problem is.
(41:39):
I don't have a problem with gaypeople.
I don't have a problem withtrans people or any of the LGBTQ
community.
I don't have a problem with it.
I don't myself.
I'm not, I don't associate withany of that.
So I'm not gonna, you know whatI mean?
I'm not gonna do any of thisstuff.
But you can't just act like youdeserve special treatment for
that.
You know what I mean?
I think you should just betreated as anybody else.
(42:00):
You know what I mean?
Merit.
Yeah.
Yep.
You're, you're, qualitycharacters 100% because I'm not
going to treat you differentlybecause you're trans unless
you're trying to come on to meor do something you know what I
mean but what do you call it butdon't come around me trans and
then act like I need to go outof my way to support your
(42:23):
lifestyle because I'm not doingthat unless you're doing
something cool that I'minterested in then I'll be like
hey I'm interested But if you'relike coming at me and being
like, making up shit in your ownhead, that I'm being
transphobic.
Dude, you just don't interestme.
(42:45):
You just don't interest me.
Yeah.
And I'm not, not to be a dick,but how am I supposed to sit
here?
If, say I was working a jobmaking coffee, you know what I
mean?
And somebody that looks like agirl comes up to me and gets a
coffee.
You know what I mean?
Or, or whatever.
How am I supposed to know thatthey like to prefer to go by
(43:08):
data?
I wouldn't know.
That's what I just, I just don'tagree with them.
And, uh, like me personally, Idon't agree with that.
And how are we going to get madat random people for not, I'm
referring to as the pronoun youwant to go by.
When I have no idea.
Yeah.
And there's pronouns put inplace for a reason.
If you want to be a girl, goahead.
(43:28):
You can be a girl.
If you want to be a boy, goahead and be a boy.
But that means you're referredto he, him, she, she, she, them,
and they, she, her, whatever.
Yeah.
That's so, can she, that's waytoo, can she?
Yeah.
I just, I don't know.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Pick a song.
Yeah.
Then maybe that sounds, youknow, Right.
(43:51):
Maybe it does to certain people,but I just, I don't feel like
there's a problem with that wayof thinking.
Like you should, you know what Imean?
Love yourself.
Yeah, love yourself.
But don't expect other people togo out of their way to
accommodate to your needs.
It makes you feel uncomfortable.
Yeah.
I feel uncomfortable everyfucking day.
Exactly.
So maybe that's something thatyou need to get used to doing is
(44:13):
being uncomfortable becauseLike, okay, back in my day,
there was the, well, no, it wasmore the golf stage back in my
day.
It was, you know, ran around onblack nails and black, well,
you're putting yourself out ofsociety on purpose.
(44:35):
And I understand it, especiallya teenager and trying to revolt.
You'll always have to fit intosociety.
Yeah.
But don't expect society toaccommodate to you because of
that.
They never did.
Yeah.
Because I don't have anyproblem.
You won't be gone.
I think that's cool.
You know what I mean?
You want to stand out?
I think that's cool personally.
But just like, just because youwant to stand out, don't expect
(44:58):
me to go buy black hair dye andblack lipstick tomorrow.
Yeah.
It's not me.
It's not for me.
Exactly.
I'm not saying that what you'redoing is wrong.
What I'm saying is it's not forme.
Right.
And I can still treat you asI'll treat any other person.
Unless you're an asshole.
If you're still an asshole, I'mgoing to treat you like an
(45:18):
asshole.
That's just how it is.
Everything's become so, I'mtrying to identify yourself and
marginalize yourself.
Like, nah, we're pretty much allthe same, bud.
Right.
And we all got to get up.
We put our pants on the sameway.
Put our boots on the same way.
Let's get out and get it done.
(45:39):
Yeah.
Like you said, you're notspecial.
Yeah, do whatever you love.
You know what I mean?
Just don't expect people toalways agree with what you do.
Great, son.
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Yeah.
On that
SPEAKER_00 (45:53):
note, I think that's a wrap.
SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (45:56):
it was pretty good.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you.
Love you, too.
Good luck.
Thank you, sir.
You're listening to Across the Table.
I'm James Fenocchio.
And around here, we believeeverybody's got a story to tell.
Let's get to it.
With me today, I have my son,James Fenocchio.
Thanks for calling.
Yep.
So, what have you been doingwith yourself lately?
(00:20):
Not much, you know what I mean?
Just making clothes.
Working on different marketingtactics, you know what I mean?
Just trying to figure out thebest way to sell and get my
product out to an audience.
And then also just working a lotbehind the scenes on getting the
quality right, everything.
Just figuring out what we wantto do to go the extra mile for
(00:42):
our customers.
You know what I mean?
And just make sure it's a goodexperience when you buy from my
brand.
What's that been like for you?
It's been annoying at times,100%.
It's definitely fun.
It's nice to do.
I'd rather deal with problemswith something I want to be
doing other than anything else.
(01:03):
But it definitely gets annoyingsometimes.
And then getting product in fromoverseas because the prices in
the United States areridiculous.
You know what I mean?
I don't want to charge an armand a leg.
You know what I mean?
A big thing about what I want todo is provide affordable quality
pieces.
(01:23):
You know what I mean?
So I don't want to becharging...
$150,$200 for a t-shirt.
And then if there comes a timewhere I do do that, I'd still
like to have affordable optionsfor people out there.
You know what I mean?
So that's just been interestingbecause the communication with
working overseas just getsannoying sometimes.
(01:44):
You know what I mean?
They have ways overseas where itseems like they're understanding
you, but on some things like Youjust have to make it very
direct.
So are they using like atranslator app or something?
I don't know fully because whenyou get connected with these
manufacturers, a lot of the timethey'll have a person that's
(02:07):
like a sales rep.
You know what I mean?
So that's what they'll do.
They basically do thecommunication with you,
everything.
You know what I mean?
They make your quotes out.
They get you your better prices.
But the good thing about havingthat sales rep is that uh no
matter what you can negotiate ifprices you know i mean nothing's
ever since done you know whati'm saying if you know how to
(02:29):
negotiate you can get yourself abetter price you know what i
mean and that's a good partabout that but it's just the
language barrier so obviouslythere's a leverage barrier they
go around every day you knowwhat i mean if you're getting
yourself from china obviouslythey're speaking chinese on the
day-to-day you know i meanthat'd be like if me and you
took a second language or sayit.
Trying to speak Chinese.
Exactly.
If the rules were reversed andthey were texting us in Chinese,
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that's how it would be.
So I'd imagine they'retranslating them in some way.
You know what I mean?
But I'm not 100% sure how thatgoes on that end.
I just try to make surecommunications are clear and
that they can fully repeat backto me what I want.
You know what I mean?
So that's like the only way youcan make sure that you're
getting what you want done.
(03:12):
You know what I mean?
UNKNOWN (03:13):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
That makes sense.
That's got to be challenging.
It gets to be.
It gets to be annoying, too,when you put all this time,
effort, and money into a certainproduct, and then you
communicate.
You communicate it clearly howyou want it, and it doesn't come
out that way because there's alanguage barrier.
You know what I mean?
Right.
That's how it happens.
(03:34):
Yeah.
Well, that's interesting.
I'd rather be annoyed at thatthan be annoyed at my 9 to 5.
Yeah.
So everyone knows what do you doat your 9 to 5.
Yeah, I work construction.
I'm a commercial painter,commercial drawable finisher.
I love it at times.
At times, I hate it and wouldrather do anything else.
(03:55):
But it keeps me busy, you knowwhat I mean?
It teaches you you got to workhard every day doing that, you
know what I mean?
You got to do stuff you don'twant to do.
So it teaches you that workeffort, you know what I mean?
puts money in the bank.
Especially when it's 90 degreesoutside and humid and you're
spraying a bunch of paint.
(04:15):
Spraying a bunch of paint.
You're mixing stuff with crazychemicals that get you high if
you don't wear a respirator.
You know what I mean?
Working in those big-ass lifts,getting around stuff, not fun.
Yeah.
Or dealing with just annoyingpeople up your ass all day.
Annoying contractors up your assall day.
(04:35):
You know what I mean?
Right.
UNKNOWN (04:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
It's definitely different than how it used to be
when I first started.
I can only imagine.
So you came into the union.
I got you into the union throughthe apprenticeship program.
Tell me your thoughts on theapprenticeship program so far.
You have all your stuff done.
(05:00):
Yeah, all my training done.
I just don't have all my on-sitehours.
But I think the apprenticeshipprogram is really good.
You know what I mean?
I feel like I liked all theinstructors that were up in
Carnegie.
I think they all do a reallygreat job.
You know what I mean?
They run it good up there.
They're very professional.
And they get you a good feel forwhat they have of what it's like
(05:23):
to be on site.
You know what I mean?
And obviously, there's a bunchof stuff that you might not
agree with as a student, thatyou might be annoyed that you
have to go out for a week, missout on paying stuff.
But that's just part of theprocess.
You know what I mean?
It makes you a better...
It makes you better in whatevertrade you're in.
I don't know.
(05:45):
You think some of the stuff youlearn is pointless, but then you
get out and you see it has areal effect.
We're learning aboutpaintbrushes, how they're made,
what types of paintbrushes.
I'm like, man, this is stupid.
I'm sitting in the class, butthen you get out and you know
that, hey, maybe this brushworks good for latex.
If I'm using an oil-based brush,I want to use...
(06:10):
the brush that would go withoil-based paint.
You know what I mean?
I haven't painted in a littlebit, so my mind's a little
scattered when I'm thinking, butif I walk in the showroom, you
know what I mean?
But yeah, there's definitelythat.
A china bristle.
Working, teaching you safety,you know what I mean?
Because there's a lot of stuffyou do that no matter what, it's
unsafe.
(06:31):
You know what I mean?
But if you follow the rightsafety procedures, you're not
going to hurt yourself.
It is safe that way.
And most companies will not careif you are unsafe.
Yeah, most companies won't.
It's up to you to know thestandards of what it is and what
you can do.
You know what I mean?
There's a certain point in timewhere sometimes you got to man
up and do it.
But it is safe.
(06:52):
You know what I mean?
And I feel like that's a bigstigma from the older generation
in the construction industry.
Is that like, to put it frankly,you're a little bitch if you
don't do certain stuff.
And I just feel like...
I just feel like that's stupid.
At the end of the day, we're allhere to collect a paycheck.
Nobody would be here doing thisevery day for fun.
(07:16):
I'm going to do it the safestway possible.
I don't want to hurt myself andthen put myself out of pay.
Or hurt somebody else.
Or hurt somebody else.
The goal is to go hunting.
Yeah, the goal is to go hunting.
That would be everyone's numberone.
Uninjured, yes.
There's always a betterbuilding.
Uninjured and not dead.
(07:38):
Did you know a guy just gotkilled up at State College like
a week ago?
No.
What was it?
For mid-state construction onthe, I want to say the Tyring
building.
Tipton building.
I forget, but he fell off theroof.
Kill him, son.
I believe he got dead.
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Mac was telling me about it.
Mac is another finish.
He's a drywall finisher in ourunion.
But yeah, he's telling us a guyfrom mid-state drywall fell off
the roof.
And I seen it on, because I keepup with, you know, things going
on at Penn State, especiallyconstruction.
Right.
Because it affects us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's, that's not good.
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Not good.
That always sucks.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Yeah, definitely.
My prayers are out to hisfamily.
Yeah, me too.
I don't even know who it was.
Mid-state construction was fromright up on Brush Mountain Road.
Right.
So I'm hoping it wasn't nearScott Porter.
I met a couple guys.
I was still in that job formid-state.
Yeah, that's sad, man.
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That's sad.
So have you been using any AI tohelp you?
Yeah, 100%.
All my designs and everything, Ido a lot of them myself.
But on this t-shirtspecifically, we wanted to do a
newspaper font.
We're doing an end war campaignbecause I think it's very cool,
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like old war stuff.
So on this, we put an old stampfrom World War II in it on
there.
And as you can see, we put endwar on it.
And then 808, that's our motto.
That's the letters we use in alot of stuff.
What's 808 about?
That's actually, what that's foris about my brother that has
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struggled a lot throughout hislife.
And basically to me, that's hisbirthday.
Basically, what that means to meis it just symbolizes, it goes
right along with intentions, youknow what I mean?
And that's part for him.
And it just basically symbolizesthat if you get your intentions
in the right place, you knowwhat I mean, at the right time,
anything you want can happen.
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You can flip your life around.
Completely from bad to good, youknow, I mean from good to bad no
matter what so, uh, whereveryour intentions are That's where
you want to keep them.
Yeah, I mean But uh with thisshirt what we were going for was
like an old newspaper style Anduh, we wanted to just get our
message across Um about that isend war because there's a lot of
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clothes going on right now Um,and I like a lot of them, you
know what I mean?
I think the designs are great ona lot of them all that shit And
some of them might besymbolizing other stuff, like
the war.
I've seen a lot of brands dodifferent stuff, how they
symbolize war.
It's very popular right now,especially in the streetwear
community.
But I think a lot of people justalmost misrepresent what it
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should be.
And I think a lot of it shouldbe to end war, you know what I
mean?
To bring peace, you know what Imean?
But there are certain companiesthat I see...
um that they're like fightingwar within themselves what it's
about you know what i mean maybethey grew up in uh poverty
poverty stricken towns where thecrime rates high you know what i
mean so useful useful war andeverything like that but me
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personally that's what i'magainst you know i mean um you
fall into the trap when you'rewhen you're in those when you're
in poverty stricken towns whenyou're in anything so even if
that is like a symbolized war uhman you got to be different you
know what i mean it's up to youto see through all that
bullshit, you know what I mean?
There's all kinds of wars.
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There's all kinds of wars.
Mental wars.
Yeah, and across the world, youknow what I mean?
It's about ending war, you knowwhat I mean?
Coming up on top and aboveeverything, you know what I
mean?
But how we integrated AI intothis was I used ChatGBT for this
prompt on the side here, and itjust helped get us...
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get our message across a littlebit better and helped us deliver
in the newspaper style writingfor that time and everything.
It just helped a lot.
So obviously, I was around inthe 1940s to see how they see
newspapers around that.
Right.
Obviously, you did it all.
Yeah, obviously.
So it just kind of put us...
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Put us back in that era andwe're able to get in that
mindset to write a prompt thatwe wanted to put on this shirt.
And on this one, I would love toread it.
And this is a sample right here.
But the text came out blurry.
So we're going to make sure wedefinitely fix that in our
finished product and everythingthat goes out.
You know what I mean?
It's going to be 100% visible.
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You're going to see everything.
The text isn't going to beblurry.
Yeah, it is a little bit blurry.
Yeah, it is, 100%.
You think it kind of camebecause this kind of reminds me
of like an old newspaper, thematerial, like the look of it.
Yeah, yeah.
And the coloring and the wayit's like a little bit tattered
and distressed.
That's what we wanted to do.
I love the distressed look onall my clothing.
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You know what I mean?
I love that vintage look.
And I think this was like theperfect way to do it.
You know what I mean?
It looks like that vintage stylenewspaper.
It gives you that vintage look.
It gives you that distressedlook.
And we're going to change up thedistressing a little bit on the
final product and everything.
But for now, this gives you thatidea.
But the way this was distressed,it doesn't look natural to me.
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So that's why I've taken over.
I'm going to be doing all thedistressing from now on so that
it can have that natural look,that worn-in look.
Because it would naturally beover here.
Yeah.
Around in here.
Yeah, it didn't.
Definitely at the bottom, butdifferent.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
But it's the same, at leastyou're getting that.
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Right.
And that's one thing that goeswith that language barrier
there.
You know what I mean?
We have a realistic mock-up witha realistic distressing on it.
And I guess just like pants, youknow, they're going to wear at
the knees.
Right.
100%.
And that's like I starteddistressing this.
First place you're going to seea distress hat is around here in
these seams.
Seams, yep.
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Seams to stress a lot.
You know what I mean?
Definitely around the pockets.
Like I had that one Saintshoodie that's already stressed
out right there.
Yeah, that happens.
The threads falling out of it.
Right.
And I love that natural, thatdistressed look.
You know what I mean?
I love vintage clothing, allthat stuff.
So we're trying to find ways toreally incorporate that into our
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product naturally.
You know what I mean?
Nice.
So where can people go to buytheir clothing?
We have an Instagram.
It's rareintentions.us.
And basically there.
We have our website right now.
We're getting everything set upwith it, getting ready to go.
But if you click on my website,put your email in, you can sign
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up for our SMS letter.
And you'll get 10% off yourfirst order and you'll be
notified anytime we dropanything like that.
So you'll be notified abouteverything.
You'll join the family whenyou're in that SMS.
And you'll join the communitythat we're building.
And you'll get early access toevery single drop that we have.
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And then there will be ongoingdeals and promotions that our
SMS people will get access tobefore anybody else.
So that's interesting.
That's interesting.
When do you think your firstlaunch is going to be?
And what do you think it'll be?
Because I know you have a fewmore clothes ready to go.
Yeah, we do have a few moreclothes ready to go.
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And I'm hoping for...
It'd be nice to do the 4th ofJuly.
You know what I mean?
To kick your ass off all ofthat.
It'd be nice to do the 4th ofJuly.
Right.
And I would love if we can getthis shirt right and ready to
launch by then.
That would be great.
But...
We're looking at, I think I'mlooking at launching a different
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shirt and a different pair ofshorts and bundling them to
launch for my first job.
Because a lot of it, likenothing has to be changed on it.
They came out great.
You know what I mean?
Oh, wow.
That's a good place to startthough.
Yeah, 100%.
So they kind of go hand in handtogether.
I'd like to talk more about it,but I'm going to leave that for
the Instagram.
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Yeah.
definitely follow there.
You know what I mean?
Get updated on our latest dropsand everything.
And definitely those pieces cameout great.
I'm very excited to drop them.
You know what I mean?
So, and it'll be George in at-shirt.
So cool.
Awesome.
So, yeah.
Well, we're hoping to launchthis on the 20th.
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That'd be awesome.
First day of summer.
Right.
So definitely kick it off yoursummer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely, I'm interested beingyour generation.
Do you guys even watch cablenews?
No, I don't personally.
I can't speak for my wholegeneration, obviously.
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But I don't really pay attentionto much stuff in the news.
Obviously, I do see stuff that'sgoing on in social media because
I am on social media.
And that's something I want towork on is because I feel like I
waste so much time scrolling onsocial media.
I could do way more productivestuff within that time.
You know what I mean?
But that's basically socialmedia is basically how I get all
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my news.
You know what I mean?
And then obviously I always takeout the grain of salt because
there's so much stuff on socialmedia that is like essentially
yellow journalism back in theday.
You know what I mean?
There's so much fake news onthere.
The kind of stuff AI can createlooks insanely realistic.
And my biggest thing with socialmedia is that I feel like it's a
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platform that it gives everybodya platform to express their own
opinions and not everybody hasgood opinions.
You know what I mean?
I'm sorry.
A lot of people talk on stuffthey don't know about.
A lot of people don't use it Ifeel like for the way it's
supposed to be used, you knowwhat I mean?
To share your life, maybe sharea part of your life that you
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want to do.
You know what I mean?
I find it awesome for clothing.
You know what I mean?
I love seeing other creators onthere create cool ass clothes.
You know what I mean?
And I like seeing creators thatI follow.
It's cool to see people gettingpaid off that to entertain
people.
You know what I mean?
Other than making like TV showsand stuff like that.
Now you can sit down and watchmultiple creators.
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I love how much stuff there is.
Like when I was a kid, you neverhad, you had three TV stations.
Yeah, that's it.
And so whatever.
But now you got wealth.
Look at how many artists likeOliver, Oliver Anthony.
Nobody'd ever found him.
UNKNOWN (18:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Bunch of artists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I love the things that arehappening now and the way that
you can just discover things andyou don't have to be sold by
people with big money.
Right.
100%.
And I feel like that's how itshould be.
I think it gives a lot of powermore to creators.
You know what I mean?
Whether that is whatever type ofcontent you're creating, whether
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you're creating a product,creating art, you know what I
mean?
I think it gives more power tothem that you get influenced out
there.
And then you can also market onsocial media for 10 times
cheaper than it would be tomarket anywhere else.
Oh, my God.
Imagine buying a TV commercialwith WTAJ or on the radio.
I think the radio is like$1,000a month.
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Yeah, and if you just put apicture up on the commercial,
nobody's going to want to buythat.
You know what I mean?
So also the amount of money thatwould go into production to get
a good commercial that wouldconvert.
You know what I mean?
There's stuff like that.
It just makes it a lot easier.
You can put pictures up.
You can definitely, you can justget your idea of how you want
to, of the content you want tocreate out there for a lot
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cheaper than it would be payingto a lot more eyes.
You know what I mean?
You can set your exact audiencethat you want to get to.
So, you know, you don't have towaste views of people that
wouldn't be interested.
You know what I mean?
Well, that's it.
When I, did the constructionbusiness.
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Marketing was not a problem.
I spent$10 per weekend to,because I would kick it off on
Friday.
And this was running meta ads onFacebook.
It wasn't even meta back then.
It was, but yeah, just Facebookads.
And I would run an ad, come upwith the content.
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I used to have, you don't evenneed someone to build your
website or do your media stuffanymore.
You can do it all with AI.
You can, you can do it allyourself.
There's so much education outthere that you can educate
yourself to do so.
Yeah.
And if you don't want to, if youwant ads, I'm sorry for cutting
you off.
If you want ads that, uh, thatthere's, there's ad agencies out
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there that you can pay that havesuccess, you know what I mean?
That will get your productconverting.
They know how to advertise itand market it.
And, um, in ways, you know whatI mean?
They have complete strategies.
They have everything for youthere, so.
Yeah.
It's nice.
Yeah.
That way you don't have to worryabout it.
You can just worry about, see, Ihave Katie.
Yeah.
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Katie is my wife.
And she's a genius.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she is very good at, shecame up with some stuff.
I'm not going to put it up hereuntil she wants me to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's amazing the most things youcan do.
100%.
It's awesome.
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How do you feel about the end ofwokeness?
I like it.
That was the stupidest thingever, dude.
Yeah, I don't feel like manypeople are very woke.
Me personally, I don't...
You know what I mean?
I don't want to jeopardizeanything.
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Obviously, like I said, myopinion...
is my opinion.
You know what I mean?
That's not what I specialize in.
But to be honest, if somebodycomes up to me telling me
they're woke, telling me aboutsomething I did that's un-woke,
I don't give a fuck.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll be, I'll sleep then.
It is.
Handsoming people.
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I'm just doing, that's justweird.
It feels too much to me likeit's a small percentage of
people that we're, Just gangingup on people.
Think about all the people thatgot canceled.
100%.
And there's canceling peoplethat died in the 70s.
Certain stuff like that.
Come on.
Back in Thomas Jefferson.
Yeah.
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And George Washington.
Come on, dude.
Yeah.
People always need to rememberhistory, dude.
100%.
Yeah.
And I feel like if you're thatinto history and want to dive
that deeply into it, thenmonetize that.
Don't just come out on theinternet and do that.
You know what I mean?
There's ways that you could bewoke and monetize it and get
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paid to do it.
You know what I mean?
Maybe put out a book on how wokeyou are on this situation.
But the whole culture just...
I don't know.
I basically consider myself anold school Democrat.
Until...
Trump, I would have never votedfor a Republican.
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I would have never ever, but Igrew up with him.
I knew what he was about.
Like every day of, there wasalways something that was Trump
involved on TV, Raphael Donahue,Oprah.
Like he was just always aroundfor me as a kid.
And I always looked at him andwas like, wow, yeah, that dude
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should be running for president.
He's a little bit crazy.
100%.
But I don't think you could benot crazy and do that, John.
At least a little bit.
Scott is awake at 2 in themorning giving media interviews
after the UFC fight.
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Yeah, I've never seen somebodythe way he does shit.
I don't know when he sleeps.
And that's the other thing too,dude.
With Biden, how often do youthink we go to press
conferences?
Not that often.
This motherfucker makes oneevery couple of days and he
doesn't care what he says aboutit.
Dude, he does them daily.
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What did he call that dude whenthey did that drone trick on
that one dude?
He got up and said, he died likea dog.
Bad daddy.
Yeah.
Oh, bad daddy.
He died like a dog.
I think that he thought it wasfunny.
That he was.
Bad.
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But something that I feel likeis interesting with...
With that, I don't find too muchinterest in politics and
everything.
You know what I mean?
Obviously, it's different whenit comes to the state of our
economy and how people aregetting treated and certain
stuff.
But other than that, I don'treally get too heavily into
politics.
I kind of just focus on what Ilike to do and try to put all my
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effort and energy into thatevery day.
It gets distracting and it's sotribal.
And it's like they take...
things that we disagree aboutand try to make them huge.
They're not that huge.
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They really are.
It's because the media is makingso much money off of politics
that they'll paint any picturethat they can get to give more
money.
You know what I mean?
To create a narrative.
Yeah.
Well, if you look back throughtime, like I've had a lot of
years to look back, and plus,you know, I'm a history buff.
Yeah.
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to think that the United Statesdoesn't use propaganda.
Oh, they definitely see.
Didn't Barack Obama pass somelaw about that?
Yeah, they allowed it.
The media is allowed to give us,they're allowed to lie now.
Yeah, so.
Yeah, so there's that.
Maybe we could go on to abrighter subject.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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So I'm curious with the way thatAI is going.
The...
it can either be a force forgood or a force for evil.
I'm not.
I think it's always been coming.
You know what I mean?
Artificial intelligence hasalways been out there.
But the way it is now, it's verymainstream.
You know what I mean?
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Everybody has access to it.
And I feel like it's a tool.
You know what I mean?
I don't feel like...
A lot of people are scared thatit's coming for their jobs and
everything, but I just thinkit's a tool.
You know what I mean?
The way you integrate it, it'sthe way you integrate it.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't...
I don't foresee it anytime soontaking people's jobs and doing
certain stuff because I feellike you always need the human
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brain there to create, you knowwhat I mean, deal with certain
issues and everything.
And you still have to check yourAI.
Yeah.
You have to check it.
100%.
And...
So it's not always right.
No, it's not.
And that's what I feel like.
I feel like right now what it isis just a tool.
And I feel like if you don'twant to use AI, if you don't
want to incorporate it into yourstuff, then you're going to fall
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behind.
Simply as that.
So you're...
coding is going to be goneshortly.
The way I see it coming down isthat we'll be the technicians
for the AI and keeping up withthe AI.
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So it's like, well, I'm going tofix certain things.
But that's probably at least afew years down the road.
But I think software writing andcoding, Those are all pretty
much over.
See, I don't know that muchabout that.
You know what I mean?
I don't really pay too muchattention to that, so I can't
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really speak too much on it.
But I could see that happening.
Yeah.
Well, like, KD's up on AI, too.
And yeah, do coding.
It's pretty much done.
I think software is probably...
max programming.
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And those are big time jobproducers.
So it is kind of scary.
Yeah.
But there's always, that's whatI'm saying.
Maybe there'll be less demandfor those jobs and everything.
But I feel like you're alwaysgoing to need actual human
brains in there to fix that AI,work on that AI.
You know what I mean?
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They know Christian very well.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's not a point.
It's just like all that stuffwith the electric cars, I feel
like.
Um, I feel like everybody'strying to get too much out of
themselves at one time.
I don't think, um, there's somany issues with electric cars
nowadays and there's, and, andthere's, um, with the Tesla's
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too.
Yeah.
They're just, they're apollutant as well.
Those Tesla chargers.
I forget exactly what it is,but, um, but I, I know they
pollute just as well, but youknow what I mean?
Well, making the batteries.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
It's not good.
No.
So it's just another issue initself with those.
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But I think we try to integratethem and then they try to make a
mandate on them way too fast.
You know what I mean?
Everybody gets ahead ofthemselves with certain stuff.
Our electric grid can't evensupport that.
That makes sense.
Look at California.
There are brownouts all thetime.
If you live in California, thereare brownouts all the time.
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Oh.
where Katie lived in Homer City,they would have brownouts during
a certain period of time onceHomer City shut down.
What's that?
Brownouts when everything kindof dims down.
Oh, okay.
It's like, wow, how's your bigdrain on the system?
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah.
I mean, you have to have theproper structures in place.
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Yeah, because we're not fullyready to integrate it.
I mean, I feel like it's a goodidea if you can produce it
right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, do not show us a bunch ofdata on like these windmills.
Can't get rid of them.
I don't know why.
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I'm still learning about that.
But it costs so much petroleumto make them.
This stuff just burned over thecoal.
It's silly.
Like, Then, did you see thatSpain had a big blackout?
Weaned small and blackout.
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No.
Because they went to solar.
You mean wind?
Wind.
That's all they had.
Well, what happens when the winddoesn't blow and the sun doesn't
shine?
You don't get power.
You don't?
Makes sense.
I was listening to this guy onJordan Peterson's podcast.
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He's a big energy guy.
He knows a lot.
Nuclear is the way to go.
If we're going to producemassive amounts of energy to
support these AIs, every datacenter needs a gigawatt of
power, which is a huge amount ofpower.
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And if this is the future, thenwe have to be able to produce
that power.
Nuclear, coal, but you have tohave, you can't just rely on
wind and solar because they'reaffected by things.
Like solar in Pennsylvania islike, last year you might have
did good, but this summer you'renot going to do great.
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So far this spring.
And I feel like you couldintegrate it, you know what I
mean?
Yeah.
so that when you can use solar,you use it.
You know what I mean?
But you can't just cold turkeyenergy.
That's the stupidest idea I'veever heard in my life.
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And our electrical grid issuspect.
It needs help.
We need to do something withthat.
I'm surprised we haven't donethat yet.
roads and bridges like dude whenyou got bridges falling down in
pennsylvania where did all themoney go yeah that makes sense
(32:26):
100 percent oh here's anotherthing that i was hearing about
uh your generation and maybe yourecently started like going to
church and thinking more of achristian way so Well, you're 21
now.
When did you start thinking,like, towards a Christian way?
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Because I never taught him to bea Christian.
Probably about half a year ago.
Obviously, I grew up on theother side of my family.
It was Christian.
So I did go to a Christianchurch.
I did do a lot of stuff.
I was really young, and I hatedchurch.
Every day I went, every time wewent, I didn't like church.
That's where you shifted, didn'tyou say?
Church?
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No, I was like...
That's where you busted yourhead.
No, it's Nathan.
but uh with church it was yeah imean it was just a drag for me i
was a little kid but uh now thatuh obviously i have a developed
brain and uh just getting tothink my way and everything i
feel like it's very great incertain ways but i feel like
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there's ways that you could workon it too you know what i mean
because there's certain stuffthat i don't agree with within
the religion and that i feellike um People just use it to
feel a purpose in themselvesbecause that's the thing with
humans.
We're so smart.
We're smarter than any other...
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What's the word I'm looking for?
Any other breed out there.
Any other animal.
Yeah, we're the smartest animalsever.
And we have like...
Our conscience is crazy.
So I feel like people will...
use that for their purpose sothat um their life now has a
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purpose you know what i mean iwould like people will abuse
religion and stuff and i feellike religion shouldn't be your
only purpose you know what imean i feel like it's great i
feel like it teaches you greatlessons you know what i mean it
does give people that neededthat purpose too you know what i
mean but um there's certainthings that that i don't agree
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with within it and and and justlike the all sins are created
equal i think if i go get atattoo that should not be on the
same level as somebody murderingsomebody you know it is not and
it isn't but i don't think thatgiving a tattoo is a crime uh i
don't think it's a sin eitheryou know what i mean but uh
obviously if you're a christianand everything then it is a sin
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so now seeing here here's theone thing that's growing up but
uh is that i do believe thatwhat Christ was teaching
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was
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
that you can reach paradise within yourself while
you're still here on earth.
I agree with that fully as well.
You find that within yourself.
It's not for heaven because youspoke of paradise and heaven.
I don't know that I get a littlebit confused on it because you
know what?
I don't read Hebrew.
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And so I don't feel confidentthat these people that
interpreted writings like i canhave ai interpret what i wrote
the poetry i wrote it doesn'tcome out to say but And just
like the language barrier.
(35:52):
Do you see what I mean?
You can't fully interpret that.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
It's just left up to someone'sdiscretion within the person
what's interpreted.
Right, 100%.
And I feel like that's the wholething with dinosaurs too.
How are we to fully interpretwhat the world was like back
then?
Obviously, we have science andeverything like that.
And I might sound like an idiotsaying this, but I think just
(36:15):
because that you, that's notlike, whatever it is that they
could assume how the world waslike back then.
I don't agree with that.
Not fully, at least.
Obviously, I agree that there isscience there.
I agree with what?
Just science has done amazingthings for this world and for
(36:35):
modern day technology andeverything.
But I just don't see how youcould do that.
You know what I mean?
I don't.
And how were they to interprethow people built those fucking
pyramids?
I don't do that.
I don't think fucking six.
We can't do it today.
SPEAKER_01 (36:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
So I don't know.
There are some things.
And dude, did you notice thatthe guys always, there's always
guys carrying these purses andall like you go to the Mayans,
the Aztecs, the Egyptians.
(37:14):
Everywhere, dude.
It's everywhere.
Yeah.
They don't have the same lookingpurse or handbag or something.
What the F is that about?
I don't know.
I didn't know about that untilyou were saying about it.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And then you go to Sumerians,which is the oldest civilization
(37:38):
that we know of.
They have a terribly accuratelist of kings.
UNKNOWN (37:45):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (37:47):
But then they have ones for like 270,000 years
before that.
Yeah.
Now the list of kings afterthat, that they know
SPEAKER_01 (37:57):
of, all accurate.
Why wouldn't those ones beaccurate?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (38:05):
I don't know either.
Like, I'm still, there's morequestions to ask.
The more questions there are.
Think about how advanced thosecivilizations were back then,
too.
That's crazy.
We think we're advanced.
Yeah.
And how language was created.
(38:26):
You didn't just randomly one daystart making sounds with your
mouth and that's what theymeant.
Yes.
And then start writing them onpaper.
Yeah.
Something's different.
The chimpanzee is the closestthing to us, and they're not
even close to us.
No.
UNKNOWN (38:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:44):
Yeah, I can't necessarily agree with evolution
in the way that in like a Darwinway.
The evolution theory.
Yeah, I don't think about it inDarwinian terms.
I think the most likelyexplanation for me in my head,
and I know this is going tosound crazy, is that, yeah,
(39:06):
somebody from outer space camedown and Something started
fucking with our dna Somethingdude Yeah, because it I mean,
it's definitely not us like wedidn't evolve from a fish No, no
effing way, dude.
There's nothing obscene Tosupport anything like that.
(39:30):
Yes evolution.
I do support evolution that thatthings work Change that yeah 100
But Yeah, they have adapted, andthey do adapt.
But you can't tell me that wemade that jump from a fucking
chimpanzee to a human beingwithout something.
(39:52):
God, alien, whatever.
I guess it's important tobelieve in that.
Whether you're able to find outthe truth or not, it's a truth
that does present itself.
what you believe in.
Yeah.
And all I cared about is thatthey're happy with themselves.
(40:12):
Like, I don't care what religionyou are.
I don't really carry sexualorientation.
If your trainings are, but Idon't care.
It doesn't affect me.
Well, I don't want to be madbecause someone's a trans and
I'm just, you know, my cup oftea necessarily, but you know,
(40:34):
I've met some that are and it'sum let's take you as who you are
there's a lot of people that areregular that I don't want to be
around either I just find themannoying yeah and I feel like
that's like my biggest thingwith that is uh is that when
(40:56):
you're gay trans whatever it isI don't personally mind you know
I mean you do you do whateveryou want to be you know I mean
it's not my life to live butwhen people start treating you
regularly and you start fittinginto society regularly, however
you want to, you know what Imean?
Then you ask for like specialtreatment and then wonder why
(41:19):
people have problems with it.
You know what I mean?
Because if you come around meand you're trans, cool, you can
be trans.
You can do that.
Maybe I don't feel that sameway.
I don't agree with it.
Whatever.
I can respect you for what youare.
As long as you're not in my faceand you don't want treated
specially because of that.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
And that's what I, that's whereI feel like the problem is.
(41:39):
I don't have a problem with gaypeople.
I don't have a problem withtrans people or any of the LGBTQ
community.
I don't have a problem with it.
I don't myself.
I'm not, I don't associate withany of that.
So I'm not gonna, you know whatI mean?
I'm not gonna do any of thisstuff.
But you can't just act like youdeserve special treatment for
that.
You know what I mean?
I think you should just betreated as anybody else.
(42:00):
You know what I mean?
Merit.
Yeah.
Yep.
You're, you're, qualitycharacters 100% because I'm not
going to treat you differentlybecause you're trans unless
you're trying to come on to meor do something you know what I
mean but what do you call it butdon't come around me trans and
then act like I need to go outof my way to support your
(42:23):
lifestyle because I'm not doingthat unless you're doing
something cool that I'minterested in then I'll be like
hey I'm interested But if you'relike coming at me and being
like, making up shit in your ownhead, that I'm being
transphobic.
Dude, you just don't interestme.
(42:45):
You just don't interest me.
Yeah.
And I'm not, not to be a dick,but how am I supposed to sit
here?
If, say I was working a jobmaking coffee, you know what I
mean?
And somebody that looks like agirl comes up to me and gets a
coffee.
You know what I mean?
Or, or whatever.
How am I supposed to know thatthey like to prefer to go by
(43:08):
data?
I wouldn't know.
That's what I just, I just don'tagree with them.
And, uh, like me personally, Idon't agree with that.
And how are we going to get madat random people for not, I'm
referring to as the pronoun youwant to go by.
When I have no idea.
Yeah.
And there's pronouns put inplace for a reason.
If you want to be a girl, goahead.
(43:28):
You can be a girl.
If you want to be a boy, goahead and be a boy.
But that means you're referredto he, him, she, she, she, them,
and they, she, her, whatever.
Yeah.
That's so, can she, that's waytoo, can she?
Yeah.
I just, I don't know.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Pick a song.
Yeah.
Then maybe that sounds, youknow, Right.
(43:51):
Maybe it does to certain people,but I just, I don't feel like
there's a problem with that wayof thinking.
Like you should, you know what Imean?
Love yourself.
Yeah, love yourself.
But don't expect other people togo out of their way to
accommodate to your needs.
It makes you feel uncomfortable.
Yeah.
I feel uncomfortable everyfucking day.
Exactly.
So maybe that's something thatyou need to get used to doing is
(44:13):
being uncomfortable becauseLike, okay, back in my day,
there was the, well, no, it wasmore the golf stage back in my
day.
It was, you know, ran around onblack nails and black, well,
you're putting yourself out ofsociety on purpose.
(44:35):
And I understand it, especiallya teenager and trying to revolt.
You'll always have to fit intosociety.
Yeah.
But don't expect society toaccommodate to you because of
that.
They never did.
Yeah.
Because I don't have anyproblem.
You won't be gone.
I think that's cool.
You know what I mean?
You want to stand out?
I think that's cool personally.
But just like, just because youwant to stand out, don't expect
(44:58):
me to go buy black hair dye andblack lipstick tomorrow.
Yeah.
It's not me.
It's not for me.
Exactly.
I'm not saying that what you'redoing is wrong.
What I'm saying is it's not forme.
Right.
And I can still treat you asI'll treat any other person.
Unless you're an asshole.
If you're still an asshole, I'mgoing to treat you like an
(45:18):
asshole.
That's just how it is.
Everything's become so, I'mtrying to identify yourself and
marginalize yourself.
Like, nah, we're pretty much allthe same, bud.
Right.
And we all got to get up.
We put our pants on the sameway.
Put our boots on the same way.
Let's get out and get it done.
(45:39):
Yeah.
Like you said, you're notspecial.
Yeah, do whatever you love.
You know what I mean?
Just don't expect people toalways agree with what you do.
Great, son.
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Yeah.
On that
SPEAKER_00 (45:53):
note, I think that's a wrap.
SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (45:56):
it was pretty good.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you.
Love you, too.
Good luck.
Thank you, sir.
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