2. Building Community Through Authentic Conversations with Ben Grove

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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
This is Across the Table.
I'm James Feneggio.
At this podcast, we feel likeeverybody's got a story to talk
about.
And pull up a chair.
I'm here to talk about my story.
My name is Ben Grove.
James asked me to be on.
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for having me, brother.
I appreciate you, man.

(00:22):
Absolutely.
That's what you try to do whenyou care about people.
You try to help them out whenthey're trying to do something.
Yes.
Yes, sir.
And I know you always do that.
I do.
Yeah.
Well, as you see, this is a lowstop.

(00:42):
We're on a low budget.
We do have kids here.
So, yeah, it's an iPhone and anice light.
So, James, what makes you wantto start a podcast?
Oh, I feel like I'm gettinginterviewed now.
I like it.
Tables, brother.
well you know what because toomany people like if you look at

(01:04):
like news and stuff todayeverybody's just like extreme
and i don't feel like that'smost people that are at work
don't care about their everyonein the world is negative and i
cannot stand it everyone is theglass is half empty this is why

(01:24):
it won't work this is why youcan't do this and it's like dude
Shut the fuck up.
The glass is half full.
You can do whatever the fuck youput your mind to.
Yep.
And it doesn't matter.
Did you watch Ozarks?
I've never seen that.
I don't watch TV.
But it said it doesn't matterwho the president is.

(01:46):
It doesn't matter what else isgoing on in the world.
The question is, did you workhard enough?
Did you work just a little bit?
So I heard a quote today, and itwas from...
A basketball player's mom.
And it was, if you are the bestperson in that gym, you need to
find a new gym.

(02:08):
Exactly.
Yeah.
If I'm not around people thatpush me to be better.
You need to go find otherpeople.
And that is actually part of mygoal.
Right.
I sat around and I looked at mylife and I was like, man.
I need more people around methat are trying because I felt
like I quit after I lost mybusiness.

(02:29):
Yeah.
When you told me you werestarting a podcast, I was all
about it.
I was like, fuck you, brother.
You were excited about it.
I was.
Because I've been wanting to getin the podcast thing for a
while, but I didn't know how.
And it was literally me comingout of my comfort zone, which I
should be okay with, but Betweenwork and raising kids and shit,

(02:53):
I can always tell myself I havean excuse not to, but the truth
is there is no excuse.
Get the fuck off your ass and dowhat you want to do.
Exactly.
My goal here isn't making money.
It's more about community.
Creating a community.
How you know it will besuccessful is because when you

(03:15):
put the money out of it, That'swhenever you can make pure
content.
Exactly.
Because nobody's going to sithere like anybody on here must
speak truth because I'll callyou on bullshit.
As you should, man.
You and I, we've never actuallyhad to call each other on our

(03:37):
bullshit because we don't havebullshit.
Well, I have bullshit, but Ispeak the truth whether you like
it or not.
Absolutely.
I am who I am.
And that's when it's easy.
I'm not a motherfucker thatwears a toxic masculinity shirt
around Walmart just hopingsomeone asks me something about
it so I can put you in yourplace or show you why I believe

(03:59):
what I believe.
Or at least create aconversation, create dialogue.
One of my best friends I met wasbecause I had a fucked-up
T-shirt on, and he was checkingout at Home Depot when I was.
And he literally came up to me,and it turns out this dude is a

(04:22):
carpenter, but he builds moviesets for Hollywood.
Oh, no way.
Yeah.
That's wild.
Good dude.
Wow, how did he get into that?
I don't know.
I know he drives a red platinumPower Stroke.
He definitely probably ain'tneeding that much power.
He's a good dude, though.

(04:43):
That's awesome, man.
How did you meet?
Okay.
The T-shirt.
The T-shirt.

SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
It's wild just starting dialogue with people
that you've never met before.
He came up to me.
And he was like, where'd you getthat?
And we started bullshitting.
And I ran into him in there likethree times since.
Facebook friends.
You know how it goes.
Yeah.
Next thing you know, I'mbullshitting with the guy every
night via text message.
Yep.

(05:10):
You're on Facebook with ourfriend from Home Depot that now
works at Let's.
Yeah, he got kicked out ofthere, which I think is fucked
up.
I think the situation's wrong.
Yeah.
So say you're working for acompany and you know theft is
taking place and you as a mandecide to take action and

(05:31):
prevent that theft.
And then the company fires youfor that?
That's stupid.
That is completely wrong.
I don't know.
He was literally being a man anddoing what his God-given fucking
sense told him to do, which wasprevent the place I work for
from being a victim.

(05:53):
Exactly.
I don't see what's wrong withthat at all.
From when I was...
Ten years old, I was alwaystaught, do it quitters, no
victims.
If you don't quit, you willnever be a victim.
And stealing's wrong.
Dope.
All Ten Commandments arebasically about stealing.
George Carlin told us that.
He also told us the dirty wordsthat he can't say.

(06:17):
I love George Carlin.
I love George.
God rest his soul.
Yes.
It's like...
I don't think you and I wouldhave ever really cared about
politics until Trump.
I never gave a shit.
I actually felt like Trump wasgoing to do something.

(06:38):
It was like the biggest letdownin my life, to be honest with
you.
I like Trump, and I like what hehas to say.
But whenever it comes to, like,putting bureaucracy to ask, I'm
just...
I think our...
government is too far gone.
And I think the only way to getit back is to completely reset

(07:01):
it.
And I'm a libertarian.
So like, I'm not a Republican.
I'm not a Democrat.
I think that Republicans need tobe liberal when Democrats are
being too liberal.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
Like Democrats, you need to havea happy medium between

(07:22):
conservative and liberal.
Exactly.
Because you have swings of thependulum.
Yeah.
I have no party that I think, Idon't even know what I think
anymore.
Like, I honestly just, I wish itwould work itself out, but I'm
afraid it's too far gone.

(07:42):
When the average working man istaxed 40% of everything he
makes, something is fucked.
The price of oil.
Is it$63 a barrel today?

SPEAKER_01 (07:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
Something like that.
This is being recorded Friday,June 27th, 2020.
Before July 4th.
Yeah.
Why are we in Pennsylvaniapaying$3.65 at Sheetz's Pumps?
Dude, they are made pretty hardright now, dude.

(08:18):
Sheetz.
And Pennsylvania.
They've been just...
taxing the fuck out of us manand it's not right it isn't
right guy why am i paying 3.99 agallon for diesel fuel when i'll
tuna and i drive 30 minutes tojohnstown and i'm paying 358 358

(08:42):
you know what i mean yeah i wasjust in johnstown a few weeks
ago and Fuel was lower up there.
Why?
Why is it so high in Altoona?
Is it because it has a biggerpopulation?
It doesn't make sense.
And then you go to certain areasout in Altoona, it's$3.50.
So if she cared about us, youwould think Altoona would be the
cheapest place to buy fuel.
That's what you would thinkbecause you started in Altoona.

(09:04):
We put you in the mail.
And you got your beer because wevoted for those people that
would vote for you.
And I find it like, okay, yougive us...
Gas for$1.76 on the 4th of July.
But then I'm going in and paying$5 fucking dollars for an egg

(09:25):
sandwich?
Yeah, but bud, you get that freecoffee on Christmas.
Oh, yeah.
And dude, you take Robert'sservice station.
You know what their price on gaswas today?
$3.39.
Damn.
339.
And they wash your windows whileyou're fucking getting gas.

(09:48):
Well, I'm not at Roberts.
He doesn't come out.
Roberts is on...
I thought they washed yourwindows.
No.
No, that's right.
That's right.
They're usually higher thaneverybody.
Yeah, they wash your windows.
Yeah, they wash your windows.
And there's the oldest gasstation.

(10:09):
I grew up in the 70s, 80s, andlike...
How old are you?
I'll be 50 July 15th.
I'll be 39 this November.
Nice.
See, that's interesting.
Are you a millennial?
You're a millennial, aren't you?
I have no idea.
Don't even fucking care.
I'm generation awesome.

(10:30):
I'm generation awesome.
How are you, fuck?
Yep.
I've seen it all.
I remember before we didn't havecell phones or the internet and
then Having cell phones and theinternet.
I grew up in that.
Dude.
Well, obviously from...
And I've seen it.

(10:51):
I think what a lot of people arelacking in this day and age is
perspective.
Everything happens so fast now.
Oh, yeah.
It didn't happen like that backwhen I was a kid.
You have to have 10 seconds tocatch somebody's attention or
less or you're dumped.

(11:11):
Dumped.
These kids nowadays, these kidsnowadays, like, ten seconds or
less.
I don't even have ten seconds.
You have about four.
Four and a half.
My daughter put all these shortlittle YouTube clips on my liked
videos, so I'm listening to,like, music, and I get, like,

(11:34):
this little clip, like, of,like, someone being a cat or
some shit.

SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (11:41):
I was so fucking mad.
I was like, Doug, you're off ofmy channel, dude.
Like, I kicked her off.
All my shorts are, like,construction videos that weren't
rolling.
Yeah.
Like, if you've seen that videoI posted today, the tree falling

(12:02):
down.
Yeah, I saw it.
That was a good video.
See, that's shit I'd like tosee.
Oh, I love it.
But the funny thing is, I knowwhy it fell on that person's
house.
Yeah.
They had the cable up andeverything, but...
Make your notch, cut yourfucking center out.
Yeah, you gotta notch it.
Do the sides and then hit yourtrigger.
That's how you cut a tree down.

(12:23):
I am not, by any means, a cutarborist at all.
I do know how physics andinertia work and how structures
work.
If you see a tree leaning acertain way with the wind, you

(12:44):
probably want to drop that treethat way.
Because it already naturallywants to go that way.
Absolutely.
Now, there's ways to do itwithout, but common sense says
go with the flow.
Be watered.
So that was my first businessgrowing up.

(13:06):
When I was in high school, Iused to sell firewood to
liberals in State College.
No shit.
Yeah.
How did you get on to that?
I would cut firewood with mybest friend, Josh Cowan, and we
would load it up with fuckingtrefoil and take it down to
State College.
How old were you?
16, 17.

(13:27):
Just add your license and what?
We had a license and a chainsaw.
So at the time, like the bestoption would be to work for Del
Grosso's amusement park, whichat that time you would make$450
an hour.
Yeah.
I was running a load of fuckingfirewood to stay in college five

(13:47):
days a week for$240.
So I had money in high school.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And that's where I realized thatworking for yourself is where
it's at.
Did you finish high school?
Yeah.
And I did because I was in theArmy.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
okay.

SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
My mom signed for me to join the Army when I was 17
years old.
So in order to fulfill thatcontract...
What's that called when you dothat?
It's like pre-National Guardor...
Well, that was right after 9-11.
What's it called when you sawhim?
What was that?
What was it?
The split off.

(14:30):
The split off.
Yeah.
Did you convince him?
Did you do basic trainingbetween your 11th and 12th grade
year?
Yes.
And then when you graduate, youdo AIT, which is advanced
individual training.
Okay.
Yeah.
What types of stuff did you guyswork on?
What do you mean?

(14:50):
In AIT advanced training.
Better ways to kill people?
I was infantry.
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, it was basically allyou did was go into places, fuck
shit up, and kill people.
Yep.
Yeah.
My best friend been in since hewas 18.
Maybe he's now, like, 48.

(15:12):
He's working in the civilian,yeah.
Is he doing independentcontracting now?
I don't know.
He's still within, like, HR,but, like, I think he has to
do...
He goes to Coriopolis a lot.
I don't know.
He can't tell me about anything.
So, like, if you do the podcastfor two more years, I'll be able
to talk about that shit.

(15:32):
Really?
Once I'm out with my NDA.
Yeah.
Ooh.
Stay tuned, motherfucker.
Two more years.
Two more years.
Get the inside scoop.
Yeah.
On Blackwater and whatever else.
Ooh.
I may or may not.
have not have done.
Unless you'll get dead beforethen and commit suicide.

(15:55):
Fuck it.
If I commit suicide, it was notme.
That hard as fuck.
Can I get another one of those?
Fuck yeah, brother.
Look, I'm allowed to...
How did you get into hard AF?
This is my first one and...

(16:17):
Pretty much loving it.
Got the Penn State fucking lineon the front.
We are the official seltzer ofPenn State.
This is the...
Well, we are doing Ohio State,too.
So we have two NCAA...
Two NCAA college teams thatwe're sponsoring.

(16:38):
One is Penn State.
The other one is Ohio State.
You motherfuckers.
You sold us out.
You're going to ball my grand.
I mean, Ohio State, Iran, it'slike the same fucking thing
around here, bro.
James, I got one thing.
One quote that I say.
If it makes money, it makesfucking sense.

(16:58):
You're right.
That's called America, baby.
I'm going to take the koozie offof this because I want...
I'm supporting the can.
I usually put a koozie onbecause, well, not usually.
It's the last podcast because Inormally drink a beer.
Two years ago, I bought in ahard AF seltzer.

(17:19):
How much did you buy in for?
$10,000.
They were a startup company atthe time.
And two people that werestarting the company had just
took...
Black Rifle Coffee Public.
I drank it.

(17:41):
Every fucking day.
So I'm like a podcast investor.
Basically, I'm like retarded.
So I had already known what theyhad done with Black Rifle
Coffee, and they were onWeFunder.com, which is a small
website where businesses aretrying to raise capital to

(18:04):
before they go public.
Right.
And they were looking forinvestors.
So I invested$10,000 back then,two years ago.
And at that time, the only statethey were in was Texas.
But I knew that because that thepeople from Black Rifle Coffee
Company were involved in it, Iknew it couldn't fail.

(18:27):
How did you find out thatinformation?
Watching Drinking Britishpodcast.
Are you serious?
Where are you going?
Yeah.
Wow, man.
Yeah.
This is totally what I wanted toknow.
Listen, if Anheuser-Busch wouldbuy that company out tomorrow,

(18:48):
I'd be a millionaire.
Which is going to happen.
We've got to get 50 states rightnow.
We have 39.
Why do you want Anheuser-Buschto buy them out?
Why wouldn't you want them to beindependent?
That's the biggest alcoholdistributor in the United
States.
It is.
I don't think Bud Light, wheneverybody got mad at him, was

(19:12):
affected that much.
Independence is cool, but whatyou have to understand is to
open up an alcohol product ineach state takes$100,000.
Is that because of?
Because every state has its ownliquor laws.
And you have to buy it.
You have my pay to play.
To make an alcoholic productsuccessful takes millions.

(19:36):
Which the little guy doesn'thave.
Right.
You need$5 million just to openup in every state.
And you're not talkingdistributors, promotion.
Manufacturing, all theequipment.
That's why when an alcoholcompany starts getting
successful, it gets bought outright away.

(19:58):
But the key is you need to beable to sell in all 50 states.
That takes$5 million from therip, give or take.
Wow, dude, thanks for thatinformation.
I didn't know that.
How much research did you do tofigure that out?
Well, I'm a freak of nature.
I don't have a wife.
I don't have a wife.

(20:18):
I have two baby boys that I takecare of.
So basically, when they fallasleep, I'm online researching
everything from construction to,yeah, that's it, trying to get
better.
It's like reading a tradejournal by when I was younger.

(20:41):
Yeah, 1% every day.
You can improve yourself 1%every day for a year.
What are you at the end of theyear?
365, better.

UNKNOWN (20:54):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
I didn't know that number.
I'm just agreeing with you.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Oh, okay.
You're right.
You are right.
365% better at the end of theyear.
That's a lot.
I realized when I got out ofjail and after I got out of the

(21:18):
army because I was fucked up fora little bit.
Oh, yeah.
When you, people have tounderstand, Ben and I first met
in CP.
Yeah.
And is that your first time thatyou were in?
Yeah, it was.
And what was it for?

(21:40):
DUI.
I got three DUIs in the firstthree weeks after I got out of
the Army.
Okay.
I would like to expand this, ifyou don't mind.
Go for it, brother.
Now, as a person who has known alot of people that have been in

(22:05):
the military and been in war,when they come out of war, a lot
of them, most of them, havealcohol or drug addictions.
Oh, yeah.
I'd say at least 90%.
What you don't understand iswhat I will probably get killed

(22:27):
for saying this.
If you're in an infantry unit,they want you to have an alcohol
and drug addiction.
They encourage it, from what Iunderstand.
That's like the culture.
I would get told two days beforea piss test, hey, man, we have a
piss test coming on Thursday.
Yeah.
Because they want their soldiersnot thinking and fucked up.

(22:51):
Why?
Why?
Because when you're not thinkingand you're fucked up and morale
is high, then you're going anddoing what the fuck needs to be
done.
Basically, yeah.
And as a leader of a country, itmakes sense.
You want to keep your18-year-olds, their T-levels

(23:12):
high, and their fucking brainslow.
Okay.
Let me give an example.
I love what We did in Iran.
I think it was great.
There was no U.S.
losses.
There was no...
I think it was a very precisemission.
Recently.
Oh, yeah.
It was a very precise mission,and I like that.

(23:34):
And it's because we have Trumpin office, and Trump isn't a
fucking warlord.
He's trying to make money off ofHalliburton.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
He fucking won in there.
and was like, this is what needsdone.
This is the most effective wayto do it.
Let's do it.
Yeah, because it's definitely astrategic point.

(23:56):
Iran and Ukraine are on thispart of Russia and this part of
Russia.
It's north and south.
It's a strategic pinch point.
And what the United Statescitizen doesn't understand is It
takes an act of Congress to goto actual war.

(24:17):
But they find fuckingdegenerates like myself who are
young, dumb, and need money.
And they will send them placesto do army things and take care
of army business.
And you can't tell anyone whereyou're going.
Like I said, in two years, I'llbe able to talk about it a

(24:38):
little bit more in depth.
They make you go play Rambo.
Yeah.
And I would tell my mom, I'mlike, I'm going to the beach.
And I would be fucking in themiddle of fucking South Africa.
Did you see Congo, Rwanda, peacestill today?
Ducky, would you grab me mybait, my neck bait, please?

(25:04):
And then they wonder why when Icame home, I had fucking two,
three DUIs in three weeks.
Well, That's because I was still19 years old, a young fucking
mind that wasn't fullydeveloped, and all I had known
at that point was war andchildhood trauma.

(25:29):
The oldest who was a colonel inQatar was 28.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And then there was a private.
He's only been there for alittle bit.
He's 21.
Like, we are...
I don't want my children to beprogrammed for war.

(25:54):
Really.
I want my boys to know how todestroy someone if they need to.
Yes.
But I want them to hold the dooropen for women.
Yes.
So, like, I want my voice to besoft.
As in able to protect anyonethat they love.

(26:18):
But I want my voice hard enoughthat if you look at them wrong,
they will fucking kill you.
Yeah.
And that is a balance that I'mstill trying to learn how to
teach.
You know, Mariotto Muschini.
Or, I forget.
Anyway.

UNKNOWN (26:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:36):
Musashi, Ushumi.
Damn it.
I just listened to it.
The Art of War?
No, that's Sun Tzu.
Yeah.
But I read that, but then Ididn't know.
Joe Grogan fucking introducedit.
Mariotta.
I forget.
Sounds like it in time.
The Circle.

(26:57):
No, it's an Asian guy.
And he killed like 48 men.
He got so bored, he took an oarand fucking beat a man to death.
But he was talking aboutlearning your enemy's stance and

(27:17):
learning where we are.
But what I think what's reallygoing on when you get down to
it, it's a bunch of people witha lot of money.
Well, as I got older, I realizedthat it's all about money.
Yeah.
They don't give a fuck about thecivil war going on in South

(27:38):
Africa.
They don't.
They care about selling arms toSouth Africans, and they care
about sending people like me inthere to act like they fucking
care.
And I've lost a lot of brothersthat way.

(27:58):
And that fucking sucks.
And it sucks even more wheneveryou get home and you get on
MySpace at the time and someonewas like, oh, I spilled coffee
on myself today.
Worst day ever.
And I'm just like, huh, Iwatched two of my best friends
die today.
That sucks.
It definitely gives you adifferent perspective.

(28:18):
And then they wonder why you getthree DUIs in three months when
you come back to reality orhome.
I can't talk to my mom about it.
I can't talk to my dad about it.
Because why?
They don't even know how certainyou begin with.
Might be an NGO that paid forit.
Oh, I know who paid for it, butwe'll talk about that in two

(28:40):
years.
Yes.
There are things that go on thatI understand.
Like, we have to pay off certainpeople.
But you need a leader.
But the thing is, There's aquote that the people in power

(29:00):
that want to be in power, ifyou're in power, those who are
in power don't want the power,and those who should deserve the
power don't have the power.
Go deeper on that, please.
All the politicians that we havein this country, other than

(29:23):
maybe two or three Matt Gaetz, Istill like.
I do like him.
They're bought and paid for.
Do you know that 32 congressmenwear a different flag on their
lapel than the United States?

(29:45):
No, and I don't give a fuckabout them.
That is retarded.
That means there's money in thiscountry that shouldn't be here.
But this is the problem.
All the lobbyists, all themoney.
The only money that shouldmatter is American money.
These are the only people thatshould be influencing us.

(30:07):
And that's the problem is ourgovernment doesn't care about
America.
But I think Trump does.
I didn't know Epstein.
Epstein?
Yeah, so...
I think he was in Israel, and hewas blackmailing people.

(30:33):
And that's why we won't get it.
And that's why Dan Bongino andfucking Kash Patel won't give us
the right information, becausethey're like, hey, guys, if we
say shit, then this, this, andthis is going to encamp us.
And we're losing millions ofkids.
Yes, and then, okay, so let'sjust push past it.

(30:54):
But I think when your democracydepends on the suffering of
children, then you don't deservea democracy anymore.
Are you talking about fuckingPalestine?
I'm talking about Epstein.
I'm talking about Palestine.
It's time to hide.
He is a fucking Israel asset.

(31:16):
Dude, I tell you what, dude.
I watched this guy with his kidthat got his arms and shit on
and all trying to put them backtogether.
I fucking felt some kind of wayabout that.
Like, I don't know.
If you don't have no fuckingheart, why is this happening?
And why are we involved?

(31:38):
We are complicit with it.
And I'm not saying I'manti-U.S., What I'm saying is...
I love the United States.
I would die for this country.
Listen, because you don't...
Even every person I know in themilitary that's been...
I've never been out of thiscountry except to Canada to go
to Niagara Falls.

(31:59):
I'm not allowed in Canadaanymore.
I have too many DUIs.
Dude, if you have a DUI, youcan't go to Canada, huh?
I haven't tried it, but...
They won't let me.
Yeah, you're not allowed.
I'm also on a fucking FBI watchlist.
January 6th.

(32:20):
That's a whole lot of bullshit.
Yeah, and you know how I knowJanuary 6th was bullshit?
When I was walking up to theCapitol, I saw a five-gallon can
of gas ratcheted strapped to theback of a Jeep Wrangler, right?
Four hours later, when I waswalking out of the Capitol, that

(32:42):
same can was still there.
So if it was fucking anarchy andfucking bullshit, don't you
think someone would have grabbedthat can of gas and started a
fire?
Did you hear that they gave...
No, no Capitol Police actuallydied.

(33:04):
No.
But the one that they...
They gave...
Now, what if I'm thinking aboutGeorge Floyd?
I got too much shit going on inmy head.
Because the U.S.
government is so fucked up rightnow.
George Floyd was high on fuckingfentanyl.
And he died from a heart attack.

(33:24):
Yes, but the media already saidthat fucking dude was guilty,
so...
That's where we go.
Before the jury was evenselected, they gave George
Floyd's parents, his estate,$27million.
I just listened to thisyesterday.

(33:46):
When this all went down, Iforget what it's called, the way
that they suppressed him.
I don't know what he was called.
They detained him.
But with the thing on the neck,it's a common move to call it

(34:09):
for the ambulance.
The ambulance showed up latebecause they were given the
wrong address.
If that was me, I thought thatgolf was too soft on.
I would have done worse to them.

UNKNOWN (34:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
I agree.
If you're coming at me andacting all crazy, I'm going to
put you down, baby.
I'm going to put you down.
Yeah, I thought that was beingtoo soft.
I think that that is a mistrial.
I think that Shogun or whatevershould be released from jail
tomorrow.
And do you know his other...

(34:46):
And the fact that Trump hasn'tfucking done it yet is bullshit.
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem with it.
And this is from someone fromMinnesota.
I just listened to...
Tucker Carlson did a showwith...
She used to be an anchor onMinnesota News.
She's from Minnesota.

(35:07):
She grew up, brought herself upto be an anchor in her hometown,
her own city of Minnesota.
Right.
And she was an anchor for like12, 14 years.
Her husband was the...
union president of the policeforce.
Right.

(35:28):
When this all went down, hesaid, hey, let's wait and see
the body cam footage.
Makes sense.
Sounds pretty logical to me.
They're like, oh, no! No! Do youever notice every time there's a
shooting in Pennsylvania rightnow, it's a fucking transsexual?

(35:51):
Why wouldn't they eat blackpeople?
Why is it not trans people?
As soon as they realize thatit's a tranny, it gets two hours
of coverage and it's fuckingburied.
I'm not racist by any means.
I love everybody.

(36:11):
I will fucking die for anyracist.
My wife is half black.
My wife's parents, Paul andChristy, got married in the 90s
when that was kind of, like,frowned upon.
Right.
And they did it anyway.

(36:33):
I mean, I'm 50% Native American.
My last girlfriend was white,but her children were black, and
I loved them like my ownchildren.
Yeah, exactly.
So I don't give a fuck aboutrace.
Don't.
I give a fuck about what you...
I care about the person.
Your merit, your character,and...

(36:55):
This is why equity is wrong.
Your producer wants somethinghere.
Well, you guys, I guess they'rejust listening to us talk, so
that's interesting,

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
because...

SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
Yes, you can go back in the office and grab a
sharpie.
Mind you, this is a low-budgetactivity.
Ladies and gentlemen.
She's getting a Sharpie.
She's getting a Sharpie.
She might need it.
I don't know.
Do you think she cares about it?
Dude, I get concerned about mykids, too.

(37:34):
I'm terrified for my kids.
I don't leave my house without agun.
I don't.
Because I think...
I think that to not be able todefend yourself, if need be, is

(37:56):
fucking ignorance.
It's pure stupidity.
I don't care if you're a felon,you're not a felon, you're
allowed to carry a gun, you'renot allowed to carry a gun.
I think to leave your house withyour wife and children and not
have the means to defendyourself in an emergency
situation is fucking...

(38:16):
And that's a stupidity.
It's retarded.
Have you heard of that burnerthing?
What burner?
It's a projectile.
It's non-lethal.
Oh, yeah.
But it'll fuck you up.
Yeah, I think my mom has one.
There you go.
And some ones can carry it.
Good.
If I go to the sheets down byUPMC, I better have me a gun.

(38:43):
Well, I burned a gun.
Well, I'm not removing that gun.
Well, that gets me on my nexttopic.
So, like, if you're a nonviolentfelon, what the fuck aren't you
allowed to have a gun?
I'm a nonviolent felon.
That is bullshit.
That is bullshit.
Yes.
You're fucking, say you're 17years old, you sell a cup of
marijuana to fucking some kidsin high school, you get caught.

(39:06):
Yeah.
You cannot have a gun for therest of your life.
So, therefore, you can't trainyour children to shoot, huh?
How to fish.
Your take is bullshit.
It's creating dependence on thegovernment.
And the last thing you want,when the government comes into
your community and they saythey're going to do this, that,

(39:28):
and that, you want to do it foryourself because you don't want
to suck on the government'sdick.
Or their dick.
That's the fucking truth.
Or their dick.
You know, all these people saythey hate Trump, but yet they
want to suck somebody else'sdick.
Yeah, but why do they hateTrump?
That's all I want to know.
It's being financiallymotivated.

(39:48):
People want socialism.
Until they get socialism.
Look at Latin America.
Dude, I have this great check.
Do you know, he's an oldreporter.
Do you know that Montparnasseonly works for 300 years?
We're at the fucking brink ofit.
Yeah, we're at...
It cannot...
Like, we're at...

(40:08):
Because what happens is peopleof wealth take all the power,
and that's what we're looking atnow.
Because it...
I'm not saying that America isperfect.
It's not, by far.
But it's better than othercountries, and I've been to
other countries, and I'm tellingyou.
America's pretty fucking sweet.

(40:30):
It is.
All these people that aremarching for Hamas and
Palestine, they kill them thefirst day they got in power.
And my thing is, if you're inAmerica and you're marching for
another country, then go to thatfucking country.
Do it.
I see Hamas, Palestine, Mexico.

(40:53):
You wouldn't make it a fuckingday.
You wouldn't make it a fuckingday.
Like, not to be a dickhead...
But all these queers or gaypeople that are mostly liberal,
that are like in these protests,if you would go to this country,

(41:14):
they would throw you off afucking rooftop because you're
gay.
Ben, can I tell you something?
You're in the only country thatallows you to be gay.
I don't think it's the regulargays.
Like, we both know regular gays.
People that are gay.
And I have no problem with gays.
Do not.
I have gay friends.

(41:34):
I love gays.
I have a lot of gay friends.
And they appreciate the workthat you do.
I have no problem with gaypeople.
I have none.
I don't have a problem with atransgender person either.
I don't either.
I don't.
And now you're pushing on mykid.

(41:55):
Then we have a fucking problem.
Because this is wrong.
Yeah.
When my kid's old enough to makeup his own mind, then we can,
whatever.
The problem is, I grew up ajuvenile witness.
And so I grew up in a cult.
And so I understand the makingsof a cult.
And when I look at this, I'mlike, dude, their brains aren't

(42:18):
even developed.
Don't.
Stop.
Stop, man.
They are children.
If you believed in what yousaid...
You wouldn't have to target12-year-olds.
They're targeting children wayyounger than that, showing them
books and making little...
Dude, I know how to do that.
I know about psychology.

(42:39):
I know about how you breakpeople down.
And it's very simple.
I'm reading a book right now.
Because you have...
If you don't have control andyou're a person that's not able
to control yourself, you're thesheeple, then you're going to be

(43:02):
controlled.
You're going to be controlled.
That is why we have fucking massshootings, women getting raped,
women getting beat the fuck up.
All this bullshit is...
You know why?
Because they took away...
From men being men.
If you can allow a man to be aman.

(43:24):
Then they will stick up forthat.
And they will stick up for thatin their own community.
And like I told you earlier, Iwant my boys to be able to
fucking slice your throat.
And love you at the same time.
In the snap of a thumb.
but be able to hold the door foryou and make sure your daughter
gets him safely every night whenhe takes her out.

(43:45):
And to be a gentleman to anelderly man, to an elderly
woman.
Because they are lowering maletestosterone in this country,
whether you want to believe itor not.
Dude, testosterone is so low inthis country right now.
We are not creating babies, soI'm doing it myself.
They say right now, A21-year-old male has the same

(44:09):
testosterone as a 65-year-oldmale in 2021.
That is the studies.
Yeah.
Why is that?
Because they're trying to lowerthe birth rate of males.
Because these countries thatwant to take us over realize
that they can't fight us becausethere's too many dudes like me

(44:31):
and you out here.
That are fucking crazy.
And they've already said, like,if we would try to invade the
United States, there would be ahunting rifle behind every
fucking shit.
Blade of grass.
Blade of grass.
That's what China said.
Their assessment of the UnitedStates.
Right.
And this is true.
Behind every blade of grass.

(44:53):
Goddamn God.
How do you beat the UnitedStates?
You go long term.
You make fucking video games.
You make our fucking childrenfat.
a beast, complacent, don't wantto go outside when it's 100
degrees and work on a roof.
You make it a fucking, like, oh,my God, why would I want to be a

(45:17):
tough guy?
No, I should be a weak guy.
Yeah.
Like, they try to fuckingnormalize being a fucking pussy.

UNKNOWN (45:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:28):
I love you, brother.
Hard as fuck.
Hard as fuck.
I need another one of them.
It's not normal.
It's not normal if we're meantto act that way.
You need dads like me who arelike, as soon as you can fucking
walk, you're in a boxing gym.
Here's the thing.
I want to get back to that.
And listen, we don't all get afucking trophy.

(45:51):
You got beat.
Do you know how many times...
Listen, if you are a man and youwant your son to be a man...
I strongly suggest wrestling andboxing.
It's a play thing.
Do you know how many times I hadto explain to my five-year-old
as he was crying because he justgot beat at wrestling why he got

(46:12):
beat and why it is not a bigdeal and how that is motivation
to get better.
There is nothing better to teacha fucking young man how to be a
grown man than wrestling andfucking...
Physical sports.
Combat.
Yes.
Combat sports.
It sharpens your knives.

(46:33):
Yes.
Do you have any girls?
Football?
Do you have any girls?
I had a daughter, Bregan.
She died.
I'm sorry, brother.
If you don't want to talk aboutthat, we can leave.
I don't give a fuck.
I love my daughter.
She came out premature and shepassed away.
It is what it is.

(46:54):
It's God's will.
You know what that made me do?
Work hard.
Be a better man.
That's all any of us can hope toachieve.
You know, we're all having likethis spiritual awakening.
It's like we've been lulled tosleep.
But now there's so muchinformation out that we're like,

(47:15):
oh, yeah.
All you guys are like...
A calling away from all socialmedia.
Yes.
I...
I don't want to look at myphone.
I don't want to look.
Everything about it is dirty anddisgusting.
The only reason I even get on myphone is because I own a

(47:35):
business, but I'm checked out.
Take a look at my Facebook.
I haven't posted anything.
I posted one thing, and it wasfrom Child Predators, and it was
a dude I knew.
And I was like, yeah, I need toput this out to my community and
know that this guy is being achild predator.

(47:56):
Yeah.
And it's a shame because Ireally actually, I cared about
the guy and he came and helpedme out.
And then he turned out to be achild predator.
Yeah.
I killed him.
Dude, I remember when hisdaughter was like two year old.
You should talk to his daughter,make sure she's all right.
I just don't want to.

(48:17):
Dude, I've been up on my ownshit.
But you're doing what you'redoing and starting this podcast
and shit?
I think this is the right way togo.
I love what you're doing, by theway.
Thank you.
But if you're going to be avoice, then you need to act like
a voice.
I know.
I need to be more involved, butI'm remiss because I know people

(48:43):
are going to attack me.
Who gives a fuck?
Yeah, I know, but I failed withmy business.
I'm so scared sometimes.
Did you fail or did you learn alesson?
I learned.
And you know how to build betterbusiness.
Dude, holy fuck, where did I putthat paperwork?
I wanted to read a quote withyou from Nietzsche about being

(49:04):
the Superman.
You know who Nietzsche is.
Are you not taking a safe pathright now?
I am not taking a safe path.
You are not taking a safe path.
Yeah, I'm doing the union.
I'm not a baby.
I understand what you're doing,and I understand why you're
doing it, but I tell everyoneyou're in the top five best

(49:24):
carpenters I know in this town.
Thank you, sir.
You and Frank McCloskey, one ofmy best friends, my next.
I don't know him, but I wouldlike to meet him.
He worked at Clayco.

UNKNOWN (49:40):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (49:41):
Really?
I love that place.
Dude, I was working up at theflower shop downtown.
This is downtown Alton forpeople to...
The clay cup.
Is that 13th Street?
I don't know.
It's in downtown.
Yeah, it's where the post officeis.
I know.
13th Ave.

(50:01):
And you should get him on yourshow.
I would love to have him.
He has cancer right now.
Really?
Yeah, pancreatitis.
So we're praying for him anddoing a lot of natural shit,
trying to get rid of the shit.
But he has stage threepancreatitis cancer.
So what all type of natural shitis he trying?

(50:24):
Basically, it was like, you gotto starve yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For like a month.
But I don't think chemo is theway to go.
No, you can't do anything butwater for like a month.
And what do you do?
And then your body will starteating them tumors.
If you just drink water for alittle bit?

UNKNOWN (50:44):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (50:45):
No, you can go without eating for 30 days.
You need to take 21 days, okay?
Okay.
21 days.
So if they say you have cancer,you can't let them do a biopsy
on you because as soon as theydo the biopsy, they scope the
fucking shit and then itspreads.
Yeah.
So what you have to do when theysay you have cancer, liquid diet

(51:11):
for nothing but 21 days.
Because after about day fucking10, your body starts eating
those tumors.
Because it's eating itself.
Because it has nothing else toeat.
Oh, my God.
It makes perfect sense.
I know three people that werelike stage four cancer and they

(51:34):
did that.
Beat it.
What else did they do?
Did they do anything elsebesides water?
That was it.
Just water.
Drink water for fucking 21 days.
Don't eat a goddamn thing.
Dude, isn't it sick that we...
Kaiser is nothing but a B13deficiency.

(51:57):
B13 deficiency?
Explain that to me.
I don't know.
Okay, so like okra.
It's either...
I love it.
Black people.
I love it.
It's basically a deficiency inyour body where you don't get
enough fucking minerals becausewe are in the United States
right now.
We are the dumbest fuckingsociety that has ever existed.

(52:19):
We're the only society thatthinks that fat is bad for you.
where fat is actually good foryou because...
Your brain is made of fat.
Fat is how your body getsnutrients through it.
It has to have a fat.
Any fucking...

(52:40):
But, dude, 500 pounds.
Multivitamin.
500-pound fat ain't good.
That's a different fat.
Well, that's a different fat.
But I'm talking any multivitaminthat you take...
They're like, you have to have afat for it to work properly.
Otherwise, you're a shit.
Is it so it sticks?
So for blood to absorbnutrients, it needs a fat.

(53:04):
Yeah.
Okay.
We're the dumbest society in theworld because we want food that
is nonfat.
We are obese and malnourished atthe same time, which is fucking
retarded.
Doesn't even make sense.
Modern society could come upwith something like that.

(53:25):
So what do you think is thesolution?
The solution is if you don'tgrow it or kill it, don't
fucking eat it.
Yeah, because I know whenthey're taking these cows to
market, they're giving youbroken cows and they're only a
year old.
I will tell you, as a man thatpacks my son's lunch every day

(53:48):
to go to daycare, it sucks.
It's fucking hard.
It's not easy.
But if you can't grow it and youcan't kill it, do not fucking
eat it.
And for the love of God, don'tfeed it to your kids.
Because all you're going to dois lower their testosterone and

(54:11):
then make them school sugars.
And they're on SSRLs.
Right.
Look at all these people thatare school shooters.
What's the one thing they havein common?
SSRLs.
They're almost like you couldblow them the fuck over.
Yeah.
They're malnourished.
They're fucking brainwashed.

(54:32):
Kids are fucking cruel.
So, China, they don't need tocome over here and fight us.
All they gotta do is make ourkids weak.

UNKNOWN (54:42):
Dude.

SPEAKER_00 (54:42):
Did you see that interview with a guy from Russia
in like 1968?

SPEAKER_01 (54:49):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (54:49):
And he said, we're already here.
You're already spreading ouridea.
It's just Marxism.
That is true.
It is.
You see these colleges.
And I'm the first one.
I don't know if I say this andPenn State will fucking kick me
off.
I'm the first one that saysdemocracy doesn't work.

(55:11):
We're a democracy country.
It doesn't work.
It will last two, three hundredyears, and then the rich all get
in power, and then you gottafucking do away with it.
You know what we need in thiscountry?
A fucking king.
A real king that cares about thecountry.

(55:33):
Democracy doesn't work.
How does democracy not work?
I'm sorry, I disagree with you.
Democracy doesn't work becausethe fact is, who do you know
that gets elected?
Everybody that has money.
You have to have money to getelected.
So to call them a person like meor you cannot become president.

(55:57):
That is my problem with thatbecause when our forefathers
thought about this, It was sothat a common man, because they
were common men.
Right.
And they, I don't know, theConstitution of the United
States is the way it is.
Oh, we don't have to pause.
We'll edit.
All right.

(56:18):
I gotta piss.
Yeah, your pink philosophy isinteresting to me.
At first taste, I can't fuckingbite the cake.
Is this still recording?
Yes.
All right.
Here we go.
So the king thing is you can'tjust elect a king, but you have

(56:40):
to elect a king that loves thepeople.
All right?
But that's what's going to lastin the long term.
Because you need someone to say,this is what needs done.
This is what needs done.
You can't have a fucking groupof 100 people fucking

(57:03):
90-year-old individuals tryingto read a thousand-page bill in
12 hours.
And then voting on it.
And then voting on it.
It doesn't work.
It's fucking retarded.
It doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't.
It's like when thesemotherfuckers are like, well,
what we need in this country isa civil war.

(57:24):
And you know what I see in that?
What the fuck does that looklike to you?
What's the other side going todo?
What does that look like?
Are we going to fight north andsouth?
Because I have a lot of friendsin the south that feel the same
way I do.
So that's not what we need.
What we need is to get rid ofthe fucking federal government.
And if we keep the federalgovernment, we need to drop it

(57:47):
down to about 10%, and they needto control roads and the
military, period.
The things that they were meantto do.
controlled under a republic.
The fact that the federalgovernment owns land is fucking
retarded.
What the fuck?
I didn't know that.

(58:08):
It's stupid.
You've never heard of a federalpark?
Okay, okay.
So that is the federalgovernment owning land.
That is stupid.
Why?
And then there's domain.
You know what I'm talking about?
If you don't want to sell outthe state, the city, anybody can

(58:30):
buy your property.
The federal government employsmore people in the United States
than any other business.
That's not sustainable.
So if they're taxing me and youto pay them, there's not enough
of us to pay them.
And that's why we're deeper infucking debt.
And they make more than us.

(58:52):
Yeah, because they havebenefits.
Okay, so you know why he had somuch job growth?
Yeah.
Because he created, like, awhole shit ton of federal jobs.
He didn't create anything.
He came in after COVID, and hegave unemployed people back
their jobs.

(59:12):
And people in prison.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Everybody that was out of workwas shutting all these
businesses down and they wentback to work and they called
that job growth.
That's what job growth is.
That's you going back to workafter the government shut you
the fuck down.

(59:32):
Which any reasonable man wouldhave told the government to fuck
off.
Well, Gorilla Jim did.
Gorilla Jim did.
They told them to fuck off.
And, I don't know, did they makeit through?
Well, they're still open, soobviously they did.
Is that Rick Ross?
Is that Rick Ross it ends at?

(59:54):
No.
Ross is their last name.
I don't know his first name.
He's a pretty cool dude.
Yeah, he's a SWAT cop down inWashington, D.C.
Yeah, he's a good dude.
Yeah, I was working at theirhouse down in Holiday Spur.
It was like a retaining wall forBobby Goss back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:15):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
Bobby's in hell now, huh?
Dude, I haven't heard anythingfrom him.
I heard he just got arrested.
Well, that was about a year anda half ago, I think.
That sucks.
Yeah.
Hopefully he gets it together.
Dude, I was renting off of BobbyGoss.
I lived right next to him in hisdad, Joe Plunkett's house, who

(01:00:39):
is a hero of mine back in thepainting days.
Um...
Joe Plunkett, he owned the Duluxstore down on, well, it was
Glidden back in the day.
He owned that.
It was back on Union Avenue.
And then he was painting all theAmoco stations up and down the

(01:01:02):
East Coast.
He had the first biggest pump,paint pump.
It was like a three-man sprayer.
Yeah.
Yeah, just kill on it.
Dude, I remember old manPlunkett sitting on five-gallon
bucket.
Tuesday comes out.
It's my fucking telling thesestories.

(01:01:24):
Well, get the fuck to work.
Dude, you weren't allowed tohave a break with that
motherfucker.
And I used to kill him.
Yeah, I did.
But it was a harder generation.
I don't even, like, I've been asubcontractor for a year and in
my own business and shit.
I couldn't tell you the lasttime I took a lunch break.

(01:01:46):
I don't do it.
I don't do it at the union, no.
Like, normally when the guys goto lunch, I figure out what the
fuck to do next, or I just keepon keeping on with what I'm
doing.
Dude, I had this one time.
Not that I think lunch breaksare weak or anything, but it's

(01:02:07):
just for me.
Yeah, I don't want...
I get in that rhythm...
I want to stay in the rhythm.
Because we can take a breakafter we're done with work, and
then we'll get back and drinksome beers.
I think highly functioning dudesshould work all day and not take

(01:02:29):
breaks.
I came from a father.
I was on my first roof when Iwas four years old for the
church.
sounds like me brother yeah ilike my dad was doing community
work for the church and i wasinvolved when i was four years
old and i i remember this my dadhad this uh truck and he you

(01:02:52):
know gun rack he had a level inthe gun rack and you know he had
a couple different levels do youwork for your dad yeah oh my god
yeah see i quit school when iwas 15 because I used to take
academic classes atHollywood-Aceburg.
Yeah.
And go to Votac.

(01:03:14):
I'll tell you a story.
When I got out of the Army, Iwas working for my dad.
He had a garage in Geneva at aJones car show.

UNKNOWN (01:03:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:23):
I remember one time I had a couple fines.
They were stupid shit.
But the sheriff's came to comepick me up.
Your dad shot.
He was mad.
I was in my 20s at the time.
Just being young and dumb.
He's like, fuck you.
So I'm like my dad's bestemployee.

(01:03:46):
I'm showing up every day.
I'm working my ass off.
I'm probably the best employeeat the time.
And the sheriff's came in andAnd they were like, 500 bucks,
we won't take him to jail,Darren.
You know what my dad said?
Take him.
He looked at me.
He said, you got 500 bucks onyou?
No.
Yeah.

(01:04:08):
I guess the boys better takehim.
My dad said.
My dad let me sit out of BlairCounty Prison for fucking at
least a week to teach me alesson.
That's a lesson.
But you know what the cool thingis?
It took me a while until I gotolder.
My dad never really gave meanything but advice.

(01:04:31):
Yes.
But it made me a better manbecause of it.
And I thank him all the timebecause he never bailed me out.
He tried to show me a lessonwhile bailing me out, if that
makes sense.
It does.
It does.

(01:04:51):
See, this old guy, Charlie Bond.
I remember Charlie.
He owned the shop.
Charlie owned his shop before mydad.
Charlie came out to Blair CountyPrison and bailed you out.
Because he was like, your dadwon't let me, but I'm out of
here now.
And Charlie bailed me out.
Come on, Dad.
I need to make some money.

(01:05:13):
You better believe the next twopaychecks went to Charlie Bond.
So they did.
Yeah.
But You better not edit thatfrom this podcast.
I am not.
I will not.
Dude, I love Charlie.
Charlie is like my adopted pal.
His sons were such fuck-ups,man.

(01:05:35):
They were rich and entitled.
Poor Charlie.
He couldn't fucking...
You weren't rich or entitled,but John was trying.
Darren.
Darren.
John's is his life.
Yeah, I know.
I kept John's for Charlie.
I don't think, I think Charlieis a lot like me.

(01:05:58):
He kept his eye on the ball andhe didn't care what was going on
around him.
And he assumed that eventuallyit would work out.
And that's like a lot how I am.
Like, I could be a better fatherthan what I am.
I've missed a lot of shit.
Baseball games, wrestling.

(01:06:19):
Shit that I don't want to be at.
I tell myself that my eye is onthe ball and I'm building this
business so that my kids neverhave to worry.
And I feel like that's whereCharlie was.
But the problem was...
No, it's not.
It is what I learned fromCharlie is...

(01:06:39):
You'll turn 60 years old, yourkids were entitled, and you'll
die alone.
And they're going to be doingdrugs and doing heroin and shit.
Well, it's not even that.
It's just that you weren't thereto maybe— For the moments that
they needed you.
And I don't know how to say thiswithout being an asshole,

(01:07:01):
because I love Charlie.
Charlie's a good dude.
Charlie taught me it.
Charlie's my adopted pal.
He's taught me a lot of lessons.
I don't know how to say thiswithout coming off conceited,
but it's like you should haverelapsed a bit.
Yeah.
Maybe only worked 70 hoursinstead of 90 hours.

(01:07:25):
Yeah.
And try to drill into your kids'heads the real reason why what
the fuck you're doing is whatyou're doing.
Principle.
That's it.
Try to give them principle.
That's it.
And that's where I strugglebecause I'm like, I grew up dirt
poor, you know what I mean?
My mom had me since I was 18years old.

(01:07:46):
Dude, I lived in Cherry Grove.
We were on welfare.
My first bike was used at a yardsale.
Yeah, I love that bike.
But you know what that did?
It was motivating when I gotolder because I realized like,
not that it's a bad thing notthat it's a bad thing and now

(01:08:07):
that I'm older I even sort ofkind of regret it but I never
wanted my kids to grow upworrying about anything but now
that I'm older now that I'molder I'm starting to think I
fucked up because I taught thema lot of valuable lessons but I

(01:08:28):
gave them everything made it tooeasy yeah I've never made it
easy for Jimmy.
Jimmy's 21.
And Jimmy's probably going to bea fucking leader before you know
it.
Dude, he has a clothing linecoming out.
Yeah.
Because he did it on his own.
He did.
And he's an amazing man.

(01:08:49):
I will give this to him.
And the works of the rapperDrake.
He who made it struggling madeit best.
Exactly.
I'm not sure if you can make itwithout struggle.
No.
And failure.
I would have never got where Iam today without my dad.

(01:09:10):
And it was not even like so muchas if I were to listen to my
dad, I'd be a 10 timesmillionaire by now.
It didn't.
But it was just my dad liketwisting my arm and forcing me
to go in a path that I didn'twant to at the time.

(01:09:31):
But it made me a better man.
Because I watched my dad buildhis business from nothing.
He took this 401k, drained itall out, and invested it on
himself.
I remember one time I asked mydad for a fucking co-signature.

(01:09:52):
I was younger.
My dad said, banks compete togive loans, so if you can't get
a loan, there's a problem.
I could figure out how to get aloan.
Yes, I do.
I still have people trying togive me a loan and I shouldn't
get a loan.
Everything I ever learned aboutbeing a man was from my dad.

(01:10:16):
Yes, I agree.
Totally.
To my dad, he's Jehovah'sWitness.
Let me tell you something.
That man has more heart thananyone.
I have problems with him becausehe would make sure that the
church's mortgage payment wouldgo through.

(01:10:36):
But he was just a good man.
How was that growing up beingJehovah's Witness?
Was he making you knock at theneighbor's doors?
Yes.
Let me tell you about Jehovah'sWitness.
Well, he wasn't making me.
It was a cult.
Oh, and you just did it becauseyou were a kid.

(01:10:57):
Rather, no.
I know what it's called.
I don't believe in any religion.
You know what changed my mind?
This is fucking king.
They built a new church in MapleHollow, which I was very much a
part of.

(01:11:20):
They had me install the libraryand a lot of the books.
Russell started it.
Anyway, I started reading theother five books that weren't
included in the Bible because Iactually had access to them

(01:11:42):
because they were in thelibrary.
And I was like, I don't know,14.
I don't know, I was 87.
I was like 12 years old.
I was born in 86.

UNKNOWN (01:11:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:54):
yeah and you know what i love my dad because a lot
of these baby boomers they don'thave um dude there's so much
information now yeah it's theydidn't have that growing up in

(01:12:20):
construction and like I don'tknow why, but I'm like fucking
retarded.
I always wanted to be the best,okay?
And I always heard about yourdad in painting.
Fenugia was the best painter inAltamira.
That's me.
That's me.
That's not my dad.
My dad doesn't do painting.
Well, I've always heard that.

(01:12:42):
We are the best.
And what else?
Waddell's a good guy.
Yeah, Waddell.
I love Waddell.
And you remember Aaron Waddell.
He was locked up with us.
Listen, Randy.
I like Randy a lot.
I do.
Randy's a really, really gooddude.
Randy gave me more chances thanI could ever count.

(01:13:04):
And you fucked him up.
No, never.
I never fucked Randy over.
Good.
Anytime I was ever doing workfor Randy, I made sure it was
above and beyond.
The problem with Randy is hecalls you every day and every
hour, and Pam, his wife, willtell you, if she's listening to
this, he gets a little bitannoying, but I love Randy.

(01:13:27):
Randy's a good dude.
They don't blame me.
His son drives his pickup truckwith a helicopter following him.
He's been Bobby Goss.
That's not Randy's fault.
It is not Randy's fault.
Randy did nothing but right byAaron.
And if anything, you should getAaron on his podcast.

(01:13:50):
You should get Aaron on hispodcast.
I called Aaron off because afterthat, is he out of jail yet?
Yeah, he's out right now.
He's doing good.
He's doing decent.
I just want him to be doinggood.
Get him over here.
Interview him.
I thought to him.
Get him on here.
Okay, cool.

(01:14:10):
Help me out, bro.
Fuck yeah.
We'll get him.
I think that See, Ben, this isexactly what this is about.
Remember when we were sittingthere in prison.
It's about everybody trying tohelp each other.
And it's very hard.
I look back at all the shit I'vebeen through and I'm like, I'm

(01:14:32):
not even 40 yet.
I've lived three lifetimes.
Exactly.
And my biggest asset is myknowledge.
And just my wisdom.
And, like, not to be conceitedor anything, but I can give,
like...
You earned it.
...40-year-old, 50-year-old menadvice.

(01:14:54):
You earned it.
And know what the fuck I'mtalking about.
And just be like, this is whatyou need to do.
And get the fuck out of your ownway and do this.
Dude, I love that when I callyou up and you come to my job
site, that you come in and...
People, we don't want to messwith my mates, but things were

(01:15:18):
going wrong.
Yeah.
And I called, well, no, I thinkhe called you, but it was like,
ah, this is going bad.
Well, it was going horrible.
And I'm like, oh my God, I putyou in charge and you can't
fucking do the job.
And here we are.

(01:15:38):
Like, what the fuck, man?
What did I do?
Saved it.
I mean, good.
Didn't charge him a dollar.
He didn't charge me a dollareither.
Worked for free for fucking aweek.
After the baby.
And handled it.
Yes.

(01:15:58):
And make the customer happyagain.
Because sometimes life is aboutkarma.
Because I didn't make money onthat job, I feel like karma...
is going to make me money on itas well.
Yes.
And do you believe in astrology?

(01:16:19):
No, I don't give a fuck aboutastrology.
There's a whole lot of thingslined up.
Yeah, I mean, I see them and Ilove them.
And I think it's cool to lookat.
But I don't believe them.
If you're aggressive and willingright now, everything will line
up for you.
But I don't even believe in Godthat much.
I don't either.
I believe in karma.

(01:16:39):
I believe in that if you live agood life and you try to help
other people, then good thingswill happen to you.
I believe that, absolutely.
Because there is a test aboutpeople in capitalism and people

(01:17:00):
in, like, socialism.
And people in capitalism aremore likely, like, if I give you
a$20 bill, I'm going to want$40,000 back next week.
But I'm a capitalist.
In order to help my friend, I'llgive you$10 to help you start

(01:17:24):
making money.
Right.
Dude, I've made money from zero.
All the time.
Listen, I want to jail you.
Been in debt.
The only reason I was able tokeep my house was because my mom
at least made my mortgagepayment.
Came out of jail.
My mom said, you owe me thismuch money.

(01:17:46):
And you did.
Paid it right to fuck off.
Well, fuck yeah.
The only good thing about me isthat I've always been resilient.
I've always had these two hands.
And I've always had the mindsetthat I'll make it back.

(01:18:06):
You care.
You care.
And that was my biggest strugglewith business is I care too
much.
That is, dude, obviously I havenot been successful in business.
And so that's why I like to haveWhy are you successful in
business?
Because I care too much, and Ihave too much of a heart.

(01:18:29):
You act like you weren'tsuccessful, but to guys like me,
I think you were successful.
When?
You did what you wanted to do.
You built houses.
It was fun, dude.
I enjoyed it.
Why aren't you building housesnow?
Because of the fourth andfederal government.

(01:18:50):
It wasn't nothing you did.
It wasn't like you built thehouse or something.
I'm still paying, my finalpayment of$500 is going in July
15th.
For the lawyers that are payingfor me to pay for my fucking
phone.
You need to listen to me for asecond.
You act like you did somethingwrong.
You didn't do anything wrong.

(01:19:11):
You built a house, right?
Right?
The customer was happy.
It was the federal governmentthat shut me the fuck down.
And workers' comp.
The insurance is fucking insane.
So, as far as building houses,that's not on you.
You are the fucking man atbuilding houses.

(01:19:34):
You are not the man at running abusiness.
And that's where I'm at.
I don't even know how to fuckingbig work.
And I'm one of the best hodgersin this town.
You know why?
Because I feel bad for peopleand I'm like, I feel bad.
And then I'm like, oh, you know,I could do it for this.

(01:19:55):
Yeah.
But then I remember this shitlike COVID when they're charging
four or five times when I'mbuilding a three-tier deck out
of treated lumber.
Right.
And then I put it on my creditcard.
Now I'm getting sued for mycredit card because I've got to
pay the federal government.

(01:20:16):
They're coming at me harder thanyou.
Listen, I was working...
I was working for Fannie Mae upuntil October.
I was working seven days a week.
I didn't take one day off lastsummer.
And it fucking destroyed me.
Yeah.
It cost me a relationship.
Cost me a baby mom.
It cost me everything I had.

(01:20:38):
All right.
To the point where I had to moveout, start over again.
Finished the project, and I wasdrained.
Like, when I got out of thatproject, I was fucking drained.
And you know what I did?
I went back to work with DarylLee, one of my best friends,
good buddy of mine.

(01:21:00):
But it's like, how do you gofrom, I was making$250,000 a
year easily, to about$70,000,because I'm very good at what I
do.
And still, thanks to Daryl.
I love Daryl.
But this week was my last weekwith him because I couldn't do

(01:21:22):
it anymore.
It's six months.
And I was just like, I can't.
Yeah.
And I love the guy.
I would do anything for the guy.
The guy is literally my seconddad.
But I can't continue.
I feel like...

(01:21:43):
I had$30,000 in my checkingaccount when I started with that
man.
And now you're probably down tozero because...
I'm living week to week.
Yes, that's bullshit, dude.
You work your heart out and youwork week to week.
I will never say anything badabout Daryl.
Daryl is a good dude.

(01:22:04):
He really is.
And he always had my back.
When I needed fucking$5,000 downto buy my truck, Darryl was
right there with a goddamncheck.
And I will not, like, if Darrylcalls me tomorrow...
Dude, you should not.
If Darryl calls me tomorrow andsays, I need this and this, I'll
be there.
But the thing is, I need tostart doing my own thing for a

(01:22:26):
little bit.
Yeah.
I think when men that are, like,make moves...
they need to have a little bitof time away from each other
because you just like butt headsbecause okay i think about it
this way and you think about itthat way i never butted heads

(01:22:49):
with that man i uh it's like adad yeah i've done nothing but
learn from him i do that withdave hatch I love that man.
Me and him.
You might get drunk and talkshit about him to yourself and
to anyone else around you, butat the end of the day, at the

(01:23:13):
end of the day, you will havehis back no matter what.
Yes, and he has taught me somuch.
That's the way me and Darrellare.
I'm in on Walmart DistributionCenter this year.
This is$750,000 contract.
You know how I got theconfidence to do that?
Daryl.

(01:23:34):
How do you even know how to dothat?
I don't know how to do that.
I'm fucking retarded.
I just drunk until I write upthe contract and then I submit.
Are you making money?
Yes, I get it.
I'll make probably$500,000.
He's doing paint.

(01:23:55):
I'm tall and slim, brother.
If I put you in my truck, it'sgot heated seats.
I ain't getting out the shovels.
But yeah.
No, you don't have to.
Dude, I love your truck.
That's so good for you, dude.
I'm proud to see you.

(01:24:17):
I plow loaves, Home Depot, allthat.
It's an hour for a day.
Why?
To learn how.
Yeah.
To learn the business.
Because I knew in the back of myhead, if I learned it, I would
get it.
Daryl knows the business, and heknows how to get it.

(01:24:38):
He knows Penn State shit.
Dude, if he knows Penn Stateshit, then he's golden.
Daryl doesn't have a son.
I am Daryl's son.
Daryl is talking so much shit,to the point when Daryl's mom
got dementia...
I went with him to Florida tomove him to his sister's house.

(01:24:59):
That's what you did.
Me and Daryl are so tight, it'snot funny.
So would you say he's yourmentor?
Yes.
Very much so.
Everything I learned aboutbusiness, I learned from Daryl
and my dad.
I wish I had.
But my dad has a differentbusiness.
My dad has a different business.
My dad has a girl business.

(01:25:20):
So it's completely differentthan construction.
But everything I learned aboutthe construction business, I
learned from Daryl or Jeff Long.
Jeff Long.
We built one of Jeff Long'sfirst houses down in Juniata.
When Jeff Long started, it washim, my real dad, Bobo.

(01:25:42):
I bet you my dad knows your dad.
I guarantee that.
I guarantee it.
Because the first developmentthey built up in Tyrone, my dad
told me they'd fucking framedevery house with a goddamn
hammer and nine penny nails in aweek.
They've been ten-pounding now,or sixteen-pounding now.
Yeah, whatever.

(01:26:03):
But they had no nail guns, andmy dad said he would frame a
house in a week.
Dude, this is what I've seen.
You know this apartment buildingright here?
Yes.
So when Jeff was building thatdevelopment up there, he tried
to pay my dad in that buildinginstead of money.

(01:26:23):
Jeff's an interesting guy.
I love him.
He's probably one of the mostinfluential people.
You know why?
He had grit.
And when people told him hecouldn't do it, he said, fuck
you.
And he's like five feet tall,dude.
I think he's got the gumption tofucking.
Dude, him and my dad.

(01:26:43):
That's the key to beingsuccessful.
When someone says you can't dothat.
where they try to get in yourway, you say, fuck you.
Get the fuck out of my way andlet me hold my beer while I do
this.
Hey, a lot of people are fuckingup this shit.

(01:27:03):
He still has more money than Godright now.
He does.
Especially in this area.
Jeff Long is killing it.
There's more money than shit.
Yes.
Dude, we're going, uh, Saintsis, uh, the company I work for
that.
We're going out to paint theirnew distribution shit in
Claysburg.

(01:27:24):
They offered me$75 an hour tocome sell to me.
Really?
Hmm.
Did you take it?
Is that why you're going to workfor yourself?
Turns out.
Why?
I said, listen, I don't know.
You want a bottle of honey?
Huh?
You want a bottle of honey?
I don't want to sell for anyone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:43):
Dude, it's...

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:46):
The tax is so high.
It was right where it needs tobe.
Dale was paying me$30,000.
I made him$100,000 in the lastmonth.
I made$30,000 for an hour.
Yeah, but my$30,000 is cash.
Yeah, well.
So Friday, I get$3,200 a week.

(01:28:07):
Yeah, but...
But my thing was, I was like,dude, I added it up.
I made you$100,000 in thelast...
Three weeks.
And you ain't compensating, man.
That don't work out that great.
I was like, all you have to dois give me five grand and be
like, here's a bonus.

(01:28:27):
Thanks for doing what you'redoing.
And you did it.
Here's two grand.
And that's why today I wascrying at work.
I was like, I'm done.
You were crying?
Yeah.
All those terrible.
You don't want to do it.
You don't want to do it.
Devil's like another dad to me,and I'm literally shitting in

(01:28:49):
his face by doing what I'mdoing.
Well, my thing is, if I don't dothat, then my kids are starving.
Yeah, I'm not here to make you amillion dollars, at least share
the wealth.
All you had to do was say, Ben,I give you$50 an hour cash.

(01:29:11):
Thank you, I love you.
You're already paying$20 out ofthat in taxes.
Hey, what are they getting donewith everybody else?
He literally sent me a text.
He literally sent me a text andwas like, I can't wire this
without you.
He has no idea where anythingis.

(01:29:35):
Is it MC?
But still, you need to know whatgoes where.
To fucking finish all thecircuits.
I'm the only guy that knows it.
Because I did it all.
Sure, but you haven't labeled.
Yeah, I did.
But who's going to figure thatout?
Me?

(01:29:56):
He doesn't have a guy smartenough to figure out this is
circuit one, two, three, four.
The problem is, you're not on mylevel.
Yeah.
You're not on my level.
You have to have 12 years ofchildhood trauma.
grow up on the job site, wake upfucking shingling roofies when
you're 10 years old, jumping ina fucking homeowner's pool just

(01:30:23):
to fucking stay alive.
Because you're dying from theheat.
Yeah, you're not on the heat.
I came up doing roofs onpowerhouses, and they were all
three-tab shingles, and you hadto get the rain lines perfect.
Chalk line every seven and ahalf just to keep your tab's arm
straight.
Yes.

(01:30:44):
The only reason you had thechalk lines in the center, but
then again, they had the littletab, which was at six inches, so
you could do that too.
But you still had to chalk theline, and you had to square the
whole roof.
When I got out of the army, Iwanted to be a go-tech teacher.
Dude, I'm not.

(01:31:07):
You know what happened?
What?
On three DUIs.
Once I got those three DUIs, itdidn't matter that I knew ten
times more than any go-techteacher they had hired.
It was like, you can't be aroundchildren because you're a
fucking alcoholic.
It doesn't work like that.
Well, I'm an alcoholic.

(01:31:27):
because I've been to war andwatched all my friends die.
You know, I don't know anythingless about building.
It's just that I'm having amental breakdown.
Yeah.
And dude, that's what mostpeople that are doing
construction are.
They're having mentalbreakdowns.

(01:31:49):
When I see these dudes liketeaching Botech, I'm just like,
nevermind.
Let's get your co-ops to comework for me for a little bit.
And I'll teach them how to doshit the right way and how to
make money.
Dude, I just hate people that...
Dude, go be on our roof thisweek.

(01:32:14):
This week?
I mean, it's 94 degrees out?
Yeah.
And it's...
I feel like they're tougher.
Like, I was up there all day.
And I was like, well...
The smart guy is up there in themorning.
And then doesn't want to work upthe shingles because he cares
about the customer.
And then it goes up about fiveo'clock in the afternoon.

(01:32:37):
Yeah.
Well, see, here's my thing.
I show up at six o'clock.
And then while I'm working 10hour days in Blairsville.
Sadly, I'm driving an hour eachway.
But go and try to get it done.
But, dude, it's so hot.

(01:32:58):
Like, it's just so hot.
But you try to put yourself in aposition where it's not that
bad.
I was the electrician on the jobthis week.
Doing all the wiring.
You know what I did?
Run shit on the floor and don'tclean it up.
All these guys had to do mud.

(01:33:18):
Mud job work.
They didn't know how to do it.
Didn't know where they weregoing.
So I literally gave them allmudding lessons about how to
keep the mud in the center ofyour pan, how to keep it in the
center of your knife, keep yourback clean, doing a quarter,
right side, left side.
Now we're using a five-inchknife, a five-inch knife to bed

(01:33:42):
the tape in the drop wall.
Right.
And you use golf ball size andthe corner right here.
I'm the only dude that's goingto stop what I'm doing.
Watch these dudes fucking it allup and be like, stop.
Stop what's going on here.
Do you guys ever finish travelbefore?

(01:34:02):
No.
Here's what you need to do.
How many people will pay to be achild?
I love to.
Dude, I'd love to, but like whenI have like like uh at east
halls i had 17 guys underneathof me yeah you can't three
buildings i don't have time toteach yeah four of them were

(01:34:26):
worth the shit four of themcares that's what is my brother
my son and um oh okay my brotherand my son and that is really
what's up Why don't you start aunion painting?
Because I like Saints, and Ilike Jeff, and he has the money

(01:34:48):
and the backing, and I don'twant to go up against him.
I think he's a good guy.
Join forces with him.
Well, that's what I'm trying todo.
And the only way, being thatthey're a union company, you
have to...
I always look at the thing thatis beating me, or the thing

(01:35:09):
that's more successful to me,and then I think, How will I do
that?
Exactly.
Or how will I get there?
And that's like, I'm neversatisfied.
If I make$250,000 this year, I'mgoing to want to make$450,000
next year.
I'm never satisfied.
How do I get there?
I'm never content.

(01:35:30):
No.
And it sucks.
It really does because I don'tknow how to relax.
I haven't been on vacation since2016.
I haven't taken a week off.
Do you feel like that'sconfusing?
Like, at some point...
Yeah, I feel like my mind isjust so fucking dialed in that
it's just like...
Dude, I need to go on vacation.

(01:35:52):
I need to go on vacation.
Yeah, a lot of people do.
And that's why you're not builtlike me.
I don't have to be dissing youor anything.
I haven't taken a vacation since2009.
I'm a rare breed.
I'm the type of person that willwalk away from everything to

(01:36:13):
make sure that I'm successful sothat I can fucking make sure my
kids have what they need.
Exactly.
And I don't give a fuck what itis.
Family, reunions, Vacation, Idon't care.
I will walk away from it all.
So now that we're talking, youbrought the kids in.
Yeah.

(01:36:36):
What I'm thinking about with mydaughters.
Every relationship I've everbeen in, if it got in the way of
work, walk the fuck away.
Yeah.
I need to make money.
Shut the fuck up.
It's not even that.
And I will tell them, I'm like,listen, I like you a lot.
you're a good person, but we're,I care more about work, my

(01:37:01):
children, and then maybe arelationship.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like, if you think that I'mgoing to take off three days a
week, hang out with you, you'resadly mistaken.
It's never going to happen.
Hang out.
Whatever, whatever you want.

(01:37:21):
But that's the reason why I'mdamn near 40 and have never been
in a serious relationship.
The reason I married the womanthat I did is because she
contributes as much to therelationship.
Right.
But you're not going to findthat nowadays.
I did.
She's only 31.
Well, you got lucky.

(01:37:42):
I did.
But most of these women that Imeet on Tinder are like, I'm a
model.
I'm a hair cover.
I'm like, You have nothing tooffer me.
What do you bring to the table?
Nothing.
She brought everything.
I bring everything to the table.
Yes.
My thing is, is I'm terrified Icould fucking lose it.

(01:38:04):
Yeah.
Like, dude, I've worked so hardto create this.
I need everything I have.
I own everything I have.
I got a$92,000 truck out there.
Paid off.
Your truck is paid for?
Yeah.
You're...
Dude, your house in...
You still live in Indiana?

(01:38:25):
It's paid off.
It's all paid for.
Your house is fucking gorgeous.
Congratulations.
Thanks.
I appreciate that.
Your shower...
Dude, I want to buy it.
I'm going to sell that.
I want to get out into thecountry.
I'm going to sell that and buy20 Reynolds.

(01:38:47):
I believe you could do that.
I'm going to put a job paymenton each one with the money I let
her make from my house.
Ben, my goal has always been toget into...
We need to talk to DaveSeidenberg, dude.
This motherfucker...
The podcast is young.
How long are we?
Three hours?
Nah.
He's asleep right now.

(01:39:08):
He's got his...
Who are you?
That's my wife.
That's Katie.
Oh, nice to meet you.
I've never seen you before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:16):
Nice to

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:17):
meet you.
The light

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:18):
is about to die.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:20):
We're about done with this shit.
We're going to have a podcast,too, coming up.
We're trying not to put this outon Tuesday.
Is the light going to die?
Yeah, it's all red.
Yeah, I think this is dead forthe night.
Yeah.
Hard as fuck.

(01:39:41):
Go get some...
You know, Beaver Stadium sellingalcohol now.
Dude, you buy the richest buck.
Star Beverage and Altena sellsit and Hickey's and State
College.
And if either one of them givesyou a problem, call me.

(01:40:02):
932-9613.
I always have a case on stash atmy house.
On what?
You want to deliver it?
Yeah, I will deliver it.
You're a bad investor.
I know the guys that storebeverage.
You know, Will and Petemotherfucking D.

(01:40:22):
Well, Pete is not there.
I know Captain Stewart.
Let's just say, like, if myconstruction business really
takes off.
Is Captain Stewart part of yourthing?
My construction business takesoff.
And that's Jeff Allman.
It's still only 75% as if thishits it.

(01:40:43):
I want to get on your freighttrain.
Is there any way that peoplelike me can coattail and hook
onto this and make some money?
Whenever we go public, you'll beable to invest, but you already
missed out on a biggerinvestment.
Goddamn, bitch.
I didn't know about it.
What the fuck?

(01:41:03):
There was six months where youcould invest in hardest buck.
Through WeFunder.com.
WeFunder.com.
And that's like before a companygoes public.
So, Misha, is there any goodWeFunders coming up?
Because I feel like hard as fuckis too hard to exist.

(01:41:27):
And now I'm not going to makemoney on it.
XRP, crypto.
That was the other thing that Ihad on the paper.
We'll get into that tomorrow.
XRP.
XRP?
XRP, is that correct then?
It's$2.14 right now.

(01:41:48):
$2.14 per coin.
It's gone about$1,000.
XRP.
Take that down, peeps.
This is going to air July 4th.
XRP.
Thanks for having me on, man.
I really...
I love you, man.

(01:42:09):
Dude, you will be.
I would like that.
You and I have goodconversations.
I would like to help youinterview people.
Like, I want to be on every day.
We'll see about that.
I mean, think about it.
Think about it.
I know a lot about a lot ofthings.

(01:42:29):
Nothing about anything.
You know what I learn every dayis that I don't know shit.
But, dude, when it comes tomaking money...
Joe Rogan doesn't make shit.
He just listens to smart people.
Exactly.
I simply want smart people to

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