January 4, 2025 • 51 mins
Michael Ginsburg & Ursula Edgington look back at the crazy year that was 2024 and what 2025 has in store for us all.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, okay, So hello everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
After a few minor technical glitches and realizing that I
can't actually do a horizontal video on this platform for
only vertical because I'm kind of trying to turn myself
and nothing happening. So yeah, it looks like it looks
like we're live, and looks like we've got a few
people joining, So yeah, hello, welcome everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Just giving.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Basically, this is a very informal chat that I'm going
to have with my colleague goals Ursula, just to kind
of test how these uh this sub start live thing works.
It might be the first and the last time that
we do that, but we'll see how we go. But yeah,
without further ado, Hello versela Happy new Year.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, happy new with you, Michael. It's great, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's I'm feeling very optimistic at the moment because the
sun is shining and we've had a few days off
and yeah, things things are looking good from my perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, well that that that's always a good thing. That's
a good way to start the new year. I actually I.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Got myself a little bit out of my comfort zone,
so I went to this outdoor kind of like a bathhouse,
and you know how they have like they really like
the the kind of like the spa. They have the
kind of twenty degrees and then they have like.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
The five degree one.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yes, and yeah, I'm always like, you know, I couldn't really,
I've never I was never able to handle that. I
think I actually have like a popophobia of like you know,
freezing water and stuff like that. But that one was
a bit different because it was like, you know, usually
you go to these places and it's like kind of
you do your own thing, but this one was very
structured and you have like the owner walking you through,
like you know the logic behind that, and you know
(01:51):
obviously how it fixes your cells and.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And he actually managed to convince me to get in there,
and I managed to stay in there for you know,
once you get over the initial shock your.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Body, it's amazing how quickly your body is adjusting.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I literally I could spend like you know, I
mean I spent six minutes in there.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I could have spent ten. Wouldn't make no difference.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Once you get past the initial shock, it really makes
no difference. And I think I think it's kind of
like a metaphor of like, you know, the world that
we live in, because it's amazing, Like you know, when
you think about it, it's amazing how many things humans
can adjust to. You know, you can adjust to a
lot of craziness and then it just stops bothering you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You just said, like, you know, you're feeling very optimistic
for this year, and I think we can all agree that.
I mean, I think there was a post at the
end of twenty twenty three, the year on the of
the mind fuck excellent post, So that was kind of
like a summary for twenty twenty three, and I mean,
(02:58):
you know, since then, twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five,
all I would say is like, you know, every year
since then, it's like hold my beer.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I mean you've seen nothing yet when it comes to
mind fult.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So yeah, I mean I don't know, this is like
a very very informal thing, but I kind of like,
you know, I wanted, like you a kind of to
touch what is your takes of you know, what we've
seen last year and other than being very optimistic about
this year, I mean, what do you think, what do
you think we can expect to see?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I think there's a very much a ground up kind
of movement of community local networks.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, by the way, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
One of the things that's been very obvious to me
is that originally, obviously none of us realized that it
would be this long.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Right here we are year five of this craziness.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I think we were all initially very in shock, as
you say, and now we've come through that shock and
we're just adjusting and getting more resilient. And you know,
some people are getting a bit frustrated and fed up
with these big groups that were set up to you know,
kind of help people through the grief and the adjustment
(04:25):
and everything. And now from my perspective, lots of people
have set up their own little community groups, smaller groups,
specialist interest areas like you know, growing, homeschooling, you know, food,
resource equipment, higher you know, firewood, simple stuff really but
(04:47):
day to day, everyday survival type stuff. And so, yeah,
it's that adjustment that people are making. And it's taken
a couple of years for people to get into their
try even recognize who they can trust and who they
can't trust maybe so much.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And yeah, that that's a recurring thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
And that nobody's coming to save us, you know, only ourselves.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And so yeah, I think you and I understand that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Also what you said, I mean, the last thing is
very very important, and obviously you and I understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But unfortunately, unfortunately I do have.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
To say that that I think the majority are not
there yet.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They're not And I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Maybe, I mean you can kind of, like you know,
div it out by geographies, but I mean when you
look at this madness in the US that we had
around this like last election year, to me, it is
blatantly obvious that, like you know, people are still very
much looking for the Messiah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So yeah, I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But like you know, just when you look at it
on the face of it, man, I think, and this
is as you said, I mean, year five, I mean,
bloody hell, this is a Yeah, this is probably for
me the most frustrating thing because yes, as you said,
I mean, people are becoming more resilient and I mean
they can see Okay, I mean, look at this point,
it doesn't really matter, like you know, bring on the aliens,
(06:17):
like you know, bring on like you a project bluebeam.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It doesn't really matter whatever you're going to bring.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We really don't care. Nothing's going to phase us by that.
But in the same sense, a lot of these people
are still thinking that, oh look, I mean, if you
put the right person on the ballot, like you a paper,
everything will.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Be fine, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And and and this is a thing that obviously was
a major one last year. I think last year we
had a lot of elections, but I mean this year
we have almost the same amount, including in.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
The UK, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So I mean I don't know. I mean, you're like,
I mean, you're you're in a.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Kind of like a unique perspective for I mean, obviously
you're a Britain you know, you lived in New Zealand
now for a decade. I mean, what's your take on
there as someone who's like kind of observing things from
afar but obviously very familiar with the system.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean, definitely, I'm still in close contact with
a lot of my colleagues that are in the UK
and both you know, both my brothers live in America,
so you know, I've got a lot of colleagues and
contacts and family members around the world.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So like yourself, you.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Know, we we get insights that other people perhaps don't get,
and a lot of a lot of New Zealanders aren't
as well connected as perhaps they could be. And if
they don't listen to anything other than the legacy media,
then of course they're not going to know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I think, rather than this divide, you know, I don't.
I don't think it's particularly helpful.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
To think about the divide of awake people versus non
awake people, because the more I travel and the more
people I speak to, the more I realize that, you know,
this is very much. I mean, even for myself, it's
it's a continuum, you know, it's a journey that we're
all on in questioning.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Certain things at certain times.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And and the more people I speak to them more
they will maybe accept that, you know, perhaps they took
the JAB for instance, and now they regret it, or
they know that a couple of people died as a
result of it, or it's something completely different like the
you know, the chemtrail issue, the geo engineering whatever you wanted,
(08:26):
you know, or the nine to eleven issue, you know,
whatever it is. Some most people, in my opinion, have
now come to the conclusion that they can't trust the
legacy media, even if they still listen to it and
think that some of it might be true.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No doubt about that that. I mean, the numbers.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean as much as like I'm convinced that people
are still looking for a savior through the ballot book,
I'm like doubly convinced that, like you know, when it
comes to legacy media, they're finished. I mean that's that's
that's a given. They're dead and buried. I mean they're
not even Zobies. That's like basically a dead body of
waiting burials. So I mean that's that's without a shadow
over doubt, and that is actually something that is you know,
I'm actually very happy about it and kind of very
(09:09):
optimistic because, to be honest, initially I did not think
it's gonna happen that fast.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, obviously.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now, I mean, we have major players emerging in the
what's called, you know, the mainstream alternative media who are
kind of utilizing very similar tactics. But the fact that
like you know, all these like established like you know,
channels and like you know, the newspapers that have been
around for like you know, centuries whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're done.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like i mean literally, I think, like you know, I
mean someone, I mean we probably I mean, we don't
have many people, like very many many people watching us
live now, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
We probably can get more audience, you know, and you
and I.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Probably, like you know, with our audience combined and we
we we have like more reach than these people because
even when they're with something out, nobody watches them. So
that's that's so that's I'm kind of like in the
stage now, Okay, Well, I mean they are finished, they
are did what comes next?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, but I don't even I don't even count them, like,
I mean, they're just like nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
If you follow James delling Pole, do you so? He
wrote a fantastic article today about he didn't mention names,
but reading between the lines is talking about Toby Young.
And you know, a lot of my colleagues here in
New Zealand follow the Free Speech Union and do think
that it is some sort of salvation.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Because they haven't done the background, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
They haven't looked at who's behind it and what their
motives might be.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And whether they'll be disappointed again, you know, you.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Know, whether there'll be another reawakening of the people that
are following, you know, the so called free speech advocates,
when they realize that it's maybe you know, just a
far y.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't know, but they're definitely on the journey, Michael.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know that they're on the first run of the
first ladder, and you know, you and I are maybe
on the third ladder and on the sixth floor.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But yeah, we're all learning, we're all reading. I mean,
that's one thing I've done during twenty twenty four is
read a shitload of books, you know, and I love
now putting aside some time to actually read proper black
and white print, you know, in hard copy, because I
think that's probably the future in terms of out education
(11:37):
going forward, because who knows what this internet.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Facility is going to be like even a year from now.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I think it's it's you know, there's all kinds of
challenges in that space.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Look, anything that is didgitalk ultimately, Like you know, I
mean even if you know you buy movies on you know,
Google or iTunes or whatever, I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You buy them, but I mean you don't actually own it.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So it is like it's basically saying, like you know,
you're renting it for an indefinite period of time because
like that can be wipe clear at any point.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So I think people realize that.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean not only that, I mean obviously, like I
mean the big trend in that is like moving back
to cash, because people realize like the really the big,
big risk of like you know, having everything digital, which
I think. Look, I think for me, when it comes
to like, you know, the digital versus analogue thing, there
is no bigger issue than obviously digital idea and CBDC
(12:31):
which will immediately follow that. And I mean when I
did my kind of like you know, predictions, I guess,
or maybe kind of like you know, what I anticipate
in twenty twenty four, I did put the issue of
digital idea something that I think would be something major
that emerges in twenty twenty four, and it did happen.
But I must say it even caught me by surprise.
(12:54):
First of all, how weekly that happened, and how devious,
like you know, they were able, how devious was the
angle that they were able to use. Oh no, exactly
put like especially in Australia, and obviously now this is
going to be replicated everywhere, So that angle of like
you know, protecting the children from online predators.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I mean, on the face of it, who would be
against that? Right?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Like whoa, I mean, the internet has become such a
dangerous place. We got and it has, but and we
got to protect the kids. So now we're going to
restrict like, you know, people under sixteen from accessing the internet.
But oh well, how can we know who's like under
sixteen and who's over sixteen? Oh well, you know, well
(13:38):
I guess everyone would have to get a digital idea.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now, yeh, that's right, I mean, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'm I've been looking at everything that they're doing now
for like you know, a couple of years now, and.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Even now I'm amazed.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like some sometimes how far ahead of the game they are.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So even in Australia they did this diversion tactic where
they did the uh, Misinformation and Disinformation Bill, right, which
was like, you know, very ambiguous and was all about
three speech online and was very quickly defeated because hey,
the opposition said it's like so bad for you, right,
and they're gonna vote against it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So it kind of like was dead in the water.
Then it was pretty pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That this was a diversion tactic, because that same guy,
the leader of the opposition right, who said, oh, this
is like you know, we we can't like you know,
we can't stand for any restrictions of freedom of speak.
But he also said, oh, look we got to protect
the kids. So you're going to have to get a
digital idea. So this is when you think about it,
the tactic. I mean I knew that something like that
would be pushed, but the angle that they've chosen, like,
(14:46):
I mean, heads off to them. I have to say
these people are very smart. Whoever, like you know, is
like the chief strategies there, you know, I mean I
I you know, I've used the term with you.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I mean we've spoken about it in private.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Are you the term DMU decision making unit? So wherever
sits on that decision making unit, they're bloody smart people.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But honestly, these are people that understand human psychology, understand technology.
Like really, I mean that is that is impressive and
I did not see that coming.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Data, It's just said in the comments, if you have
an Australian passport, you have digital idea, which.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That is incorrect.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, it's true to a certain extent. They've got you
on the hook for it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think the real Me in New Zealand, the you
know that's that's been used for you know that there's
no other way really, for instance, to get your gun
license in New Zealand unless you go through the real Me,
which is the government portal ID, and they're definitely pushing
it in other government departments. So I've let mine expire.
(15:52):
So that's very naughty of me. If I if I've
got an expired real May, it means I can't access
any government forms or whatever to submit my tax assessment.
Oh what a shame.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So here's my answer to that.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So here's my answer about like, you know, the Australian
passport and also.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The real MEED.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, the issue is not specifically just digital idea for
the sake of digital idea. The issue is how the
digital idea implemented and more specifically, can this particular implementation
will later be used as a digital wallet for a CD.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now we can argue till the cows come home whether
in Australian or any any E passport. Really it's not
just the Australian one. We can argue whether in E
passport is a digital idea or not. But can an
e passport be used as a digital wallet to put.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Cbdc's in it? My my argument would be no, it cannot.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So yeah, I mean there's the issue of if you're
using in New Zealand your real made to access your
inland revenue taxes, then they could potentially I suppose say, right,
you haven't paid your tax bill this year, and so
we'll put some sort of block on your real maid
so that you can't use it, for instance, to access
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your passport application or whatever that might be.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So I think you have a point.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Actually know, I may be wrong in the sense that
I think I stand by what I said about the passports,
but I think real me and I'm not that familiar
with it. By the sound of it, it sounds very,
very similar to what we have in Australia called mygav idea,
which is being rebranded my ID. Now that is absolutely
one hundred percent digital idea, that is and that can
(17:43):
easily be linked to it. Like I mean that that's
trivial to link that to a digital wallet and off
you go.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
In Australia, then do you need that idea, that my
idea to renew your Australian passport not.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
At this stage, but that can change very very easily.
So for example, I'll give you an example. So at
the moment, the main use case of my gov idea,
which is now called my ID, is to access.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
A government portal called my Gov.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Now my god is a portal that allows you to
access the online services of pretty much all the government,
all the departments of the federal government. Right the most
common use case for people will be the ATEO, the
Australian Taxation Office to do your tax return, and the
other one will be centraling, which is like the Social Security.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Departed.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Right now at the moment, you can use other loggings
and they kind of tell you, oh, like you know,
it's more convenient, like you know, through my go through
my idea. It's called sign up for your my idea
Now it's quick, easy, in free and.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Secure, safe and effective. Right, But.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It will be trivial and this will happen this year
one percent in Australia. One is not a matter of
it's just a matter of time. Where it's gonna happen
in the first three months of the year, where it's
gonna happen in the first six months, of the year
it will happen.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So then will remove the option and they will.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Say, oh, look logging into our username and password.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Look, that's not safe. There's been hacks. It's not like
but hey, look we'll protect you. Just get that.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
My idea, everything is under the government will look after
that and make sure that it is secure, and then
you can look in and look for the For the
protection and integrity of like and especially the social security system,
we have to insist that if you want to access
the services online.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You have to do it through my idea. Yeah, you
don't have to do online.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I mean, you can go to a Central Link coffee
and do a pay per form or whatever, but we're
gonna close all the Central Link offfices, or if you
live in the middle of nowhere, you're gonna have to
drive four five hours.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But hey, go for it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's right, exactly right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So it's look, I mean, the playbook is very very simple,
and it's it's gonna be exactly the same as what
they did with the vaccine vaccine, which what they did
with those injections, right, So they're gonna say, oh, look
you don't have to but look, I mean, if you
don't want to, then maybe you can't do this, you
can't go here. Oh, we're gonna make your life really,
really difficult, and then we're gonna brain you as a
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conspiracy theorists and a right wing extremists.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, we've seen it all before. It's very obvious.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So and in Australia, I mean I've said it before
and I still stand by it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
For the first few years of this decade, like you know,
with the shots.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And everything, Israel was very much at the cutting bleeding
agent was kind of like, you know, the testing ground.
I think that because of the situation in Israel, now
they've kind of like, I mean they've milk that cow dry,
They've they've moved on right, and and I genuinely believe
that Australia is now on the bleeding gage and they're
doing various tests to see what they ken, what they
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can get away with, and how far they can push it.
Now the model and that's not a conspiracy theory, that's
I mean, you can see that happening already. So, I
mean what they've done in Australia, it's already being rolled
out in the UK now in the in the US,
it's probably going to be implemented in the sense that,
like you know, protecting from legal immigration, that will be
they'll be obvious, right And then oh look, I mean
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you were already have your digital idea.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well we're plugging the fed now to that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And because oh look, I mean it's gonna save you
a lot of money and instant transfers. How how can
you refuse? And then you know, I mean what happens
after that is very Yep. Someone says tax returns will
be denied without digital idea. Yep, I agree absolutely, because
oh look we canto that is three to you. Someone
may be hack your account. We have to protect the
integrity of the tax system. Maybe they submitted false information,
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and you know they'll use like you know, a few
cases and there's many of them where you know, my
god has been had, there's so many of them. Uh,
and and but they'll say, oh, look, we got to
protect the integrity of the tax system. We have to
protect the integrity of the welfare system. And that's what
the gonna do. So that's like for me, I mean,
if we want to look at, like, you know, the
themes for this year, this is this is it, like
(22:06):
this is it? And and if we don't stop digital
id being shoved our collective throats, the CPDC will be
rolled out almost instantly, within week two months. The infrastructure
is ready, so it's not like something that needs to
be developed.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It is ready to go. It's press the button.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
As soon as I would say, sixty seventy percent of
the population of a digital idea, then they're going to
force like you know, CBDC and say, look, this is
the only way you.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Have to like you know, transact. Now you don't have
a digital idea, well tough it is.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I mean, you know you can get a here's a
here's a very easy way to get a digital idea
in two seconds, and there's a call center that's going to.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Walk you through it. And we're even gonna make maybe
if it give you a bonus of a few tokens.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I mean, the the the way that it's going to
play out, it is is like it I mean you
don't even have to imagine things.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean it is obvious. Yeah, you know, I could
not see.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
The angle that they're going to use to push the
digital idea, like you know, when it comes to like
protecting the kids online. But this is like clear as
they it is completely obvious what's going to happen now.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I mean, somebody to give you another example of how
that sort of psychology works. Somebody said to me the
other day they were still using this app. You know
that my health app, which Australia has got a similar thing,
you know, to access your medical records, et cetera. And
I said, because I've written about this recently, you know
how all of that data is harvested. There's no doubt
(23:36):
that they want as much information about your medical records
as they possibly can and amalgamate it for various you know, nefarious.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Goals. But you know, my friend said to me.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Oh, well, you know it's the only way if I
use this app, the only way that I managed to
get an appointment see my doctor, because it's so differ
at the moment to get an appointment because people.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Are ill, and I wonder why.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah, so you know that plays into this mentality of
I'm desperate, I need a health appointment.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So I've got to have this app on my phone.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
And actually if they harvest my data from you know,
that's the price I pay. You know, it's a it's
a sacrifice that they they know is unethical, but like
giving them, you know, giving up.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Their body bodily sovereignty. It's it's let me.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Ask you something without naming names. Has that person taken
the job?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well yeah, so yeah, I mean lots of lots of
people have and and lots of people regret it, and
they openly admit that they regret it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But they haven't learned a lesson obviously, but they have they.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Haven't learned their lesson if they're still involved in the system,
if they're still in the matrix, still trusting their government,
still going to their doctor, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
And that's as you say.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I mean, that is what we're up against, is a
big proportion still five years on, of the population that
are still in that mindset.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, but this is where I see it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So look, you know, that's why I keep happening, like
I'm like, I've become obsessive compulsive when it comes to like,
you know, the digital idea stuff, because two reasons. First
of all, the main reason is if we like you know,
if we don't stop this one, it is over. It
really is over, like fully completely over. Like I mean, yes,
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sure you can, you know, grab your stuff and go live.
In the sticks and like you know, go your own
food and like you know, have a well and basically
like you know, go back to like living in the
Middle Ages. That's fine, and some people are perfectly comfortable
with that, right, but most people are not. And this
this will be the only way to live life without
the digital ideas. So that is the main reason. The
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other reason is, you know, how I said at the beginning,
like you know, I couldn't see a lot of the
stuff that they were doing, and we constantly were called
by surprise of how they like you know, make their moves.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
This one is obvious, Like it is so obvious. It
is like staring us in the face. They're not trying
to hide it. They're openly saying what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Like they openly say, look, we're not hide this is
what we're gonna do, and that's what's gonna happen then,
And that's what's gonna happen then, like literally, it can
be can be clearer than this, So like you know,
and meanwhile, people are trying to figure out, oh, look
it's the Jews, it's the Muslims, it's the migrants.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean, you know, it's just like I look at it.
What's wrong with you? People? So this is like something
that really like, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We have this is our opportunity, like this is I
keep saying, this is the hill we must die of.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
The Michael, take a deepreath.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Tell us how are we going to avoid this catastrophic
digital idea?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Rollout?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Right? Okay? All right, So here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
There's a lot of people that are saying, oh, look,
you know, I'm just gonna do whatever I'm gonna like,
you know, you know, leave off the grid and you know,
build my own homestead.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That that's fine, right, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But there's two problems with that. First of all, the
obvious problem. Make no mistake, They will come for you,
right Your mere existence is a threat. So maybe they'll
leave you alone for three years, maybe they'll leave you
alone for five years, maybe they'll live you alone for
ten years.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But they will come for you. And when I say they,
they're not gonna send soldiers.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They canna send like some of those masks robots and drones.
You can't negotiate with them, you know, you can't say, oh, look,
come back later.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Look these are my reasons.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I'm a conscientious object or whatever. Right, So that that
is that is the one thing the other thing. And
this is why, I mean I can say it comes
from like you know, you could say selfish reason because
if there's one thing that they like. The rollout of
the injectibles has taught us is that we are actually
dependent on the actions that are taken.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
By other people.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So what actions people take or don't take impact us
directly in.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Our families, whether we like it or not.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So in that sense, I am dependent on the majority
of people doing the right thing right now. Unfortunately, and look,
I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but so far
I haven't. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are not
at that stage that they're willing to do whatever it
takes to stop an agenda. And sometimes they don't even
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understand an agenda. And the story that you gave about
your friend is a perfect example. Oh look, yeah, I
know it's dangerous, but look it's the only way to
do it. Or if I don't do that, then I
have to drive to center it for five hours.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So oh look I'm going to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, yeah, right, So.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
When that person does.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That, that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Just affect them and their family ultimately, it affects all
of us because if they reach a certain critical mass
of people that have taken, like you know, have taken
the digital idea, right, they can impose man dates, just
like they did with the injections, Like you know, if
if the injectibles, like you know, if the take up
rate was five percent, ten percent, even you can you
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can't impose man dates like they had to reach about
probably i'd say thirty forty percent or maybe even fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
To impose the mandates to then reach eighty percent. So
this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now, there's two really the way I see, there's two
ways to approach that in terms of what do we
actually do so we can try and convince those people, right,
And with the injections it was relatively easy compared to
this because this whole idea of digital idea is very
kind of a morphic thing, like what does it actually mean?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What are the risks? How is it going to be living?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't understand that, especially if I'm not texteding. Okay,
well so if I downloaded this up on my phone,
what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, So it's a lot it's a lot harder to
kind of communicate that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So there's two approaches that we can take.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
We can try and explain to people and teach them.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And I'm all for that normally.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But the problem is in some places around the world,
with Australia probably being the number one place, we are
out of time.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We don't have time like that's gonna take a year
maybe two two, so.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That like you know, half of the population understands what
is the digital idea, what is the CBDC, what is
the risk behind it?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We don't have that time, right, So that's one approach.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
The second approach is to use the same tactics that
they've used on us.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Now, that's not very nice and.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
As someone told me, oh that doesn't really help, like,
you know, increase the vibration of the planet.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Fair enough. Look, I can't argue with that. But it
will get results.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Why will it get results because it always got results always.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Fear always gets results, period.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And I will challenge anyone, like, you know, if anyone
here on the line give me an example in.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Which a fear campaign has actually failed. One example.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, it depends what you mean by you know, success, So.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, right, so by success what I mean by success?
Success is very simple in this case, the way I
would measure success is how many people will not take
digital idea, regardless of the implications for them and their families,
regardless no matter what.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Literally people with guns come to your house. Yeah, that
would be the measure of success.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Now, if they're gonna do that because they're scared, because
they understand the agenda, because whatever reason, because of religious reasons.
I don't know, Mark of the Beast, I honestly, honestly,
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So what I care about is the result.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I don't care about, like, you know, the journey that
people will take.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
To reach that point. I genuinely don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, right, but I.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Need people to do that, not just because this is
what humanity needs, but like you know, here, I'm being
completely selfish because it will affect me. You know, I
won't be able to go and buy food. I won't
be able to use public transport. You know, I won't
be able to go overseas.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So this is where I'm at with that. So for me,
I mean, look, twenty twenty five is going to be
a crazy I mean I think we can all see that,
Like it's literally going to be like you know, what
we've seen in twenty twenty four amplified by one hundred, right,
one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's going to be like literally every day chaos, like
every day new chaos. We've already seen that.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So I think in this year, more than probably any
other year, it is very, very important to stay focused
and keep an eye on the price in the sense that, Okay,
what is the actual risk and how do we actually
stop that because at the moment, everyone is sot like
you know, left versus right, like you know, migrants all this. Look,
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I mean these are even like you know, the virus,
no virus. Look, these are all important things, no problem. Look,
I mean you can talk about it, but let's win first.
Let's get some wins on the board. Let's let's like
actually get something done, like properly done for the first
time in five years, and then you can argue that
the viruses exists or not. I mean, come on, guys,
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or whether it's the Jews or the Muslims or the
Yellows or the Blacks or whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I mean, I just look at it. Thee what the hell? Like,
what's wrong with people?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So this is like I mean, you asked me, that's
that's that's what I think and I mean, you know,
I I've got a digital marketing background, like you know,
like creating fear campaigns. Like fear campaigns are some of
the easiest, like you know, whether it's the fear of
missing out, whether there's the fear of poor.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Health, whether it's like you know, uh, the fear of like.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Losing something, it is they are so easy, like it
is literally a button that you press and you get
an outcome.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Now, yes, maybe some people will say this is not ethical. Yes,
I agree, I would. I didn't. I didn't want to
go down that rock. I really didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And if we were in twenty twenty two, I will
tell you, look, hersal, and let's try and do other things.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We may have to come to this, but let's try
to do other.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Things before the Well we're not in twenty twenty two,
we're in twenty twenty five. Yeah, And especially like you know,
the way they've caught everyone so much by surprise in Australia.
It's not just the angle of the debuts, it's also
how weekly passed, but how quickly it was all done
and dusted, and like you know, they wanted it all
legislated and signed, sealed and delivered like you know, before Christmas,
and it was all done in like within two two weeks.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And both sides that worked in complete plot stept with
each other, you know, they said, like, I mean, I
think the last sitting.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
In parwierment was, look, we'll be here till like.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, eleven thirty at night, one thirty at night,
two am. We gonna do it before the Christmas break?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Why?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, Now, I mean I totally take you point about
the fear tactic.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I think for me, as an educationalist, I know that
any kind of fear will close off those rational decision
making processes in the brain. And what we actually need
is for people to make rational ethical decisions, you know,
because actually it's logical not to have this stuff on
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your phone. It's logical to interact with people you know personally,
not it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Is logical for you, Ursela.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean as an educational list, you tell me,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You know about this a lot more than I do.
Like you know, when you teach.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Someone something, how long does it take for them usually
to internalize and learn the lesson?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, well, it's got to be in an atmosphere without
fear for them to grasp the full meaning. It's got
to be in that atmosphere, and it's got to be done,
you know, in a contextualized it's got to be something
that's relevant for their every day. I mean, that's the
joy of talking to people like today we were talking
to people about living off grid in your caravan. You know,
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if they're interested in septic tanks, long drops, solar panels,
powerful batteries, you know, let's have that conversation and talk
about how to be totally independent from any exterior you know,
government enforceable, you know, water board fluoridation or whatever it
is you want to you know, talk about. It's those
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kinds of conversations that lead people to realize that actually
they can take control of their lives and they can
make those decisions in logical, rational, timely, you know, series
of steps. I mean, certainly there is a place for
making people aware of the seriousness.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm not saying that at all.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I stress as much as I can the seriousness of
of what we've got ahead and the addictive nature of
our phones. For instance, they're designed to be addictive. You know,
there's a reason why the addictive is That's why the
people are on the Pokey's you know, until god knows
when at night, wasting money that they don't have. So
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that's why I mean, I love that cartoon of I've
put a point of it in the other room, the
Bob Morin cartoon where there's two I think there are
two bears actually rather than humans. But they've got this
horrible new world order, shadowy sort of facade of the
black buildings and everyone in mass and every you know, nasty,
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horrible polluted area. And then they're breaking through to the
green pastures you know, in the in the distance, and
they're walking to freedom, you know. And and that for
me is symbolic of what we need to promote, maybe
alongside for some.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
People as you say that, that fear.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Of you know, what is potentially ahead if we don't
go this this other way. But but the joy of
being without devices, of being out in nature, you know,
swimming in the sea like I did over Christmas, you know,
every day, getting getting into the sea and having that
freezing cold.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Water experience for sure.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, and building up your immune systems, staying away from
the doctors, you know, learning about all of the old
you know, old fashioned homeopathic medicines and so forth. Free
you know, free stuff that's out there growing in your
garden that can actually benefit your health. So yeah, that's
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that's the you know, that's the optimist in me, I suppose,
is trying to promote that feeling of this is the
in group.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Welcome to our in group.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
This is what we have done that is special and
rewarding and joyful. Even though bloody Kamala Harris's hijack that word,
you know, there is some joy to be had in
in that grassroots freedom movement whatever whatever we want to
call ourselves.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I think so right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Also, so I wanted to ask you, like, you know,
because I've seen a lot of that stuff online, like
in recent days, what the hell is going in the UK?
Like what's what's the I mean, I think I know
the endgame, but like what's like what's the way to
get there? Like you know, with with these like like
you know, our reform popping out of nowhere in like
you know, farages like the new Messiah, Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Like who's I.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Didn't I didn't read. I only saw the headline this morning.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
But apparently Elon Musk has called First Dama to call
a snap election because it's so unpopular because obviously Elon
is like the new political god, right.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
It's a time, I mean, this particular time of year
in the UK. I do not miss it at all.
It is dark, it is dreary, it is cold. Everybody
is very anxious at their credit card bills coming in
at the end of this month, reminding them of the
realities of the lovely Christmas that they never really had,
that they couldn't afford, that they tried to spend money
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on to make themselves feel better, because you know, that's
how it works.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, it's a mess, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
And I did watch part two of Alex Kraner's presentation
the other day when he's talking about the collapse of
Britain and you know, the debt process there. I mean,
you know, I've lived that treadmill life in the UK
and it's it's pretty depressing.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And it hasn't got any better.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
In the last ten years since I left, so it's
got considerably worse.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
So what do you think, like, I mean again, it
looks like a kind of like a pre determined course
of events. What do you think people can do there
to actually, like, you know, stop that because I mean,
the endgame seems pretty obvious here, and it was kind of.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Like hinted in, like you know, I mean, I think
I mentioned it to you before.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
So in twenty nineteen there was a show, a BBC
show called Years and Years. Yeah, I think any person
in the UK who hasn't seen it needs to watch
that because they literally tell you in your face what's
gonna happen. And there was twenty nineteen including like the
rolling tickers that like the bottom of like you know,
the news bulletins.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
It is profound.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I didn't realize how profound it is up until a
couple of months ago when I saw, like, you know,
that clip with the elections and what happens next.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So I mean, obviously they have a plan.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
It's pretty obvious, and it's again it's like very much.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
In your face. What can people do? Right? I don't obviously, okay,
not vote.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
It's probably one thing because I mean if the participation
rate is very very low, maybe that kind of affects, like,
you know, the legitimacy of weather is going to be elected,
which is probably farage, but I mean the.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Government is still going to push on with all sorts
of craziness. So what can people do?
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, I don't I think. I mean, Jell and Poe
police absolute, you know, finger on it this morning. The
house lord is totally corrupt, you know, the whole parliamentary system.
Democracy doesn't really exist, and it hasn't existed for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
What can you do?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I mean, if I was in the UK right now,
my god, I don't know what. I'd probably go and
buy a little stone cottage on the western coast of
Scotland and.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
And yeah, keep a few sheep.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I don't know, in all seriousness, I can't see it,
you know, the crime rate, the housing problem, the personal debt,
the cost of living. Yeah, I can't see a way out.
And as you say, you know Farrage is the appointed savior.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And and you've got a lot of money behind him.
I mean obviously when you're we know who the aim
and Legato is, like I know, a major, major, major player.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
With a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes, and you know they've got their own TV network now,
so it's pretty obvious, like you know how that's going
to be pulled.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah, And lots of people still don't realize, you know,
I've had numerous conversations with other people about who Farage
is and the connections to you know, the impact investment
and the data harvesting, et cetera. But it's outside people's
over to the window.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
They can't get their head around it. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I mean, Keir Starmer, for a long time people have
said that he wants to call another referendum about Brexit
and and retreat on that.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
So whether Farage will go to war on.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
The basis that you know Brexit has been you know,
a bit of a failure and that they will do
it properly this time, who knows. There's a total mess
and there's as you say, there's so much debt and everything.
It's yeah, do you think it will be the first
domino to fall in the economy or or do you
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think something else?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
The UK is in a very precarious place because like,
if it goes to war, it will be with Russia
and unlike the US for example, I.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Mean, it will be directly affected.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Right, So so you know when I say that, like
you know, stopping the current, like you know, a path
or getting off the current path in the UK, I'd
say this is really like you know, a life or
death matter.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
So I mean, like because I mean we know, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
The one thing that I've learned, and that's throughout the world,
not just in the UK, the military will always obey orders, always, always, always, always, always.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
If they are given orders to attack Russia, they will
attack Russia and a story.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So in the past I used to be optimistic and say, oh,
look like people would not, like you know, the military
commanders wouldn't want to do things. They will threaten them
themselves and their families and like, you know, the country.
Like I mean, if there's anyone who understands, like you know,
how horrible war can be, be the military, right, But
that that has proven to me repeatedly, especially what we've
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what's been going on in Israel as well. The military
will always obey orders always yeah right.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So, so I mean I don't know in the case
of the UK, look, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I mean, is it feasible breaking the UK to like,
you know, smaller components and how would that be done?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I don't know. I mean, you know, I mean, I
don't know. I mean I don't know about all that history.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
But I mean Northern Ireland going off and like you know,
joining Ireland. I mean it's that I don't know. I mean,
like geographically it's possible, but I mean given the history,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
I think looking at the whole of Europe, you know,
you can't you can't really separate the UK because you
know we they are so close to the coast of
Europe that you know, there is kind of is arbitrary
really that the channel, you know, the channel was only
twenty six miles or whatever it is. And you know,
I've lived in Kent, so I know that there's people
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even ten years ago that were coming across on Dinghi's
every night, you know, advantage of what was then the
National Health Service, which is now virtually non existent, as
well as I can figure out. But I think looking
at the whole of Europe and the mess that France
and Germany Etce you are in, it it's just unbelievable.
What I mean, it's anybody's guess what might happen in
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the coming year.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, So what what would you say, like what you're
kind of like, you know, what you see in major
theme in general, like you know in this year in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Five, Well, I think going back to what we started with,
you know that grassroots movement, connecting with your local community,
having some compassion and patience for people who haven't you know,
who are just on that first stepping stone and are
really still going through. You know, you and I, I
know are similar in terms of timings. We went through
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that grief process, that shock and grief, and you know,
the world that we left behind that we'll never see again.
You know that the illusion of our worlds, professional identity
and institutions that cared about ethics and all the rest
of it. To think that there's people just starting that
(47:11):
journey now five years on, it's it's quite sobering, I think,
and we do need to have some compassion for these
people and push them on, nudge them on to the
to the next stepping stone as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I agree with you, and I think, look, I mean
that might be a good point to kind of end
things on that because I don't want it to be
too long. But you know, yes, yes, yes, there's a
lot of people only starting kind of like their journey now, Yes,
I totally understand that.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
But what we.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Need is, like I would argue, what we need is
we need those people to go to an accelerated learning process,
like significantly accelerated to what you and I and most
like people who are kind of at our stage have experienced, right,
So it has to be significantly accelerated. Now you tell me,
as an educationalist, that's your department, not mine. How do
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we accelerate learning without like necessarily using science?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
So very quickly, there is a publication that the UK
column people have recently published in hard copies just like
a magazine, right, and it's called Agenda twenty one. It's
been updated for the Agenda twenty thirty obviously, and it
just basically summarizes in a very short you know, with
(48:29):
lots of visuals, you know, the background basically to the
WF Agenda Claus Schwab, the regionalization, you know, the democratics
or of the eroding of our democracy through you know,
getting rid of jewelies in courts, et cetera. But I
(48:53):
think something like that that is contextualized for each region
and all country could be a really useful thing. And
we should get like hundreds of boxes of them, you know,
and just distribute them free to people on the streets,
and even if some people didn't read it and just
stuff it in the bin or whatever. You would reach
a percentage of people with something like that, just you know,
(49:15):
a very short publication of some kind hard copy, so
it couldn't be you know, eradicated. Maybe get a pdf
on some websites as well for people to print out
that that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
That would be my strategy. Yeah, I love I love
side of the things that I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
You know, I'm doing some workshops with community groups where
I'm helping to raise awareness about you know, fact checking
fake fact checkers. I've written about my sub stack and
getting people to put their phones away and get out
into nature and you know, do something real and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So yeah, that's the future to me.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
So that UK call them my document that you mentioned,
is that available to download on their website?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's not. I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I think it's to do with copyright or something, but
I do have some hard copies and it is available
for international shipping, and okay, yeah I can Yeah, we
can liaise separately about that, maybe do a post about
it together.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
It could be useful to have, as I say, a
version that is for Australia, New Zealand or you know,
maybe a more international focus, something like that might.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Be worth yeah, all right, I mean might be worth
reaching out to them and see if, like, you know,
they do really want to maintain copyright on that, because
it does seem like a resource. I mean, especially if
like it's available for free on their website, like they're
not selling it. Yeah, oh they're all right, right right, right.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Okay, all right, yeah, I mean it's not I can't
remember how much it is.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
It's not expensive, but no, I understand that's fine. We
can't just then like start distributing that, Okay, but yeah, we.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Separately about that sort of idea, but that that would
be one option or you know, something similar to that
that could just raise awareness amongst people.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
All right, No, that that that that actually sounds interesting.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I've never heard of the death result. So I would
love to have a loop. We've we've got a few
minutes left.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I mean, I don't know if we like we have
any questions, like, you know, if people want to have like,
you know, want to make any questions, like you don't
have any questions, then we can stay online for another
minute or two.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
But otherwise we'll probably wrap it here. Yeah, I see,
we have quite a few people.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
But yeah, if you have any questions or want us
to touch on anything, then that's probably the time.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Otherwise we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah, it's been good to talk anyway.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Michael, always, always, always been a while.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Happy New Year to you too,
Okay, okay, So hello everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
After a few minor technical glitches and realizing that I
can't actually do a horizontal video on this platform for
only vertical because I'm kind of trying to turn myself
and nothing happening. So yeah, it looks like it looks
like we're live, and looks like we've got a few
people joining, So yeah, hello, welcome everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Just giving.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Basically, this is a very informal chat that I'm going
to have with my colleague goals Ursula, just to kind
of test how these uh this sub start live thing works.
It might be the first and the last time that
we do that, but we'll see how we go. But yeah,
without further ado, Hello versela Happy new Year.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, happy new with you, Michael. It's great, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's I'm feeling very optimistic at the moment because the
sun is shining and we've had a few days off
and yeah, things things are looking good from my perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, well that that that's always a good thing. That's
a good way to start the new year. I actually I.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Got myself a little bit out of my comfort zone,
so I went to this outdoor kind of like a bathhouse,
and you know how they have like they really like
the the kind of like the spa. They have the
kind of twenty degrees and then they have like.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
The five degree one.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yes, and yeah, I'm always like, you know, I couldn't really,
I've never I was never able to handle that. I
think I actually have like a popophobia of like you know,
freezing water and stuff like that. But that one was
a bit different because it was like, you know, usually
you go to these places and it's like kind of
you do your own thing, but this one was very
structured and you have like the owner walking you through,
like you know the logic behind that, and you know
(01:51):
obviously how it fixes your cells and.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And he actually managed to convince me to get in there,
and I managed to stay in there for you know,
once you get over the initial shock your.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Body, it's amazing how quickly your body is adjusting.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I literally I could spend like you know, I
mean I spent six minutes in there.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I could have spent ten. Wouldn't make no difference.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Once you get past the initial shock, it really makes
no difference. And I think I think it's kind of
like a metaphor of like, you know, the world that
we live in, because it's amazing, Like you know, when
you think about it, it's amazing how many things humans
can adjust to. You know, you can adjust to a
lot of craziness and then it just stops bothering you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You just said, like, you know, you're feeling very optimistic
for this year, and I think we can all agree that.
I mean, I think there was a post at the
end of twenty twenty three, the year on the of
the mind fuck excellent post, So that was kind of
like a summary for twenty twenty three, and I mean,
(02:58):
you know, since then, twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five,
all I would say is like, you know, every year
since then, it's like hold my beer.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I mean you've seen nothing yet when it comes to
mind fult.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So yeah, I mean I don't know, this is like
a very very informal thing, but I kind of like,
you know, I wanted, like you a kind of to
touch what is your takes of you know, what we've
seen last year and other than being very optimistic about
this year, I mean, what do you think, what do
you think we can expect to see?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I think there's a very much a ground up kind
of movement of community local networks.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, by the way, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
One of the things that's been very obvious to me
is that originally, obviously none of us realized that it
would be this long.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Right here we are year five of this craziness.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I think we were all initially very in shock, as
you say, and now we've come through that shock and
we're just adjusting and getting more resilient. And you know,
some people are getting a bit frustrated and fed up
with these big groups that were set up to you know,
kind of help people through the grief and the adjustment
(04:25):
and everything. And now from my perspective, lots of people
have set up their own little community groups, smaller groups,
specialist interest areas like you know, growing, homeschooling, you know, food,
resource equipment, higher you know, firewood, simple stuff really but
(04:47):
day to day, everyday survival type stuff. And so, yeah,
it's that adjustment that people are making. And it's taken
a couple of years for people to get into their
try even recognize who they can trust and who they
can't trust maybe so much.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And yeah, that that's a recurring thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
And that nobody's coming to save us, you know, only ourselves.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And so yeah, I think you and I understand that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Also what you said, I mean, the last thing is
very very important, and obviously you and I understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But unfortunately, unfortunately I do have.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
To say that that I think the majority are not
there yet.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They're not And I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Maybe, I mean you can kind of, like you know,
div it out by geographies, but I mean when you
look at this madness in the US that we had
around this like last election year, to me, it is
blatantly obvious that, like you know, people are still very
much looking for the Messiah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So yeah, I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But like you know, just when you look at it
on the face of it, man, I think, and this
is as you said, I mean, year five, I mean,
bloody hell, this is a Yeah, this is probably for
me the most frustrating thing because yes, as you said,
I mean, people are becoming more resilient and I mean
they can see Okay, I mean, look at this point,
it doesn't really matter, like you know, bring on the aliens,
(06:17):
like you know, bring on like you a project bluebeam.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It doesn't really matter whatever you're going to bring.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We really don't care. Nothing's going to phase us by that.
But in the same sense, a lot of these people
are still thinking that, oh look, I mean, if you
put the right person on the ballot, like you a paper,
everything will.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Be fine, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And and and this is a thing that obviously was
a major one last year. I think last year we
had a lot of elections, but I mean this year
we have almost the same amount, including in.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
The UK, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So I mean I don't know. I mean, you're like,
I mean, you're you're in a.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Kind of like a unique perspective for I mean, obviously
you're a Britain you know, you lived in New Zealand
now for a decade. I mean, what's your take on
there as someone who's like kind of observing things from
afar but obviously very familiar with the system.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean, definitely, I'm still in close contact with
a lot of my colleagues that are in the UK
and both you know, both my brothers live in America,
so you know, I've got a lot of colleagues and
contacts and family members around the world.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So like yourself, you.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Know, we we get insights that other people perhaps don't get,
and a lot of a lot of New Zealanders aren't
as well connected as perhaps they could be. And if
they don't listen to anything other than the legacy media,
then of course they're not going to know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I think, rather than this divide, you know, I don't.
I don't think it's particularly helpful.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
To think about the divide of awake people versus non
awake people, because the more I travel and the more
people I speak to, the more I realize that, you know,
this is very much. I mean, even for myself, it's
it's a continuum, you know, it's a journey that we're
all on in questioning.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Certain things at certain times.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And and the more people I speak to them more
they will maybe accept that, you know, perhaps they took
the JAB for instance, and now they regret it, or
they know that a couple of people died as a
result of it, or it's something completely different like the
you know, the chemtrail issue, the geo engineering whatever you wanted,
(08:26):
you know, or the nine to eleven issue, you know,
whatever it is. Some most people, in my opinion, have
now come to the conclusion that they can't trust the
legacy media, even if they still listen to it and
think that some of it might be true.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No doubt about that that. I mean, the numbers.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean as much as like I'm convinced that people
are still looking for a savior through the ballot book,
I'm like doubly convinced that, like you know, when it
comes to legacy media, they're finished. I mean that's that's
that's a given. They're dead and buried. I mean they're
not even Zobies. That's like basically a dead body of
waiting burials. So I mean that's that's without a shadow
over doubt, and that is actually something that is you know,
I'm actually very happy about it and kind of very
(09:09):
optimistic because, to be honest, initially I did not think
it's gonna happen that fast.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, obviously.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now, I mean, we have major players emerging in the
what's called, you know, the mainstream alternative media who are
kind of utilizing very similar tactics. But the fact that
like you know, all these like established like you know,
channels and like you know, the newspapers that have been
around for like you know, centuries whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're done.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like i mean literally, I think, like you know, I
mean someone, I mean we probably I mean, we don't
have many people, like very many many people watching us
live now, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
We probably can get more audience, you know, and you
and I.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Probably, like you know, with our audience combined and we
we we have like more reach than these people because
even when they're with something out, nobody watches them. So
that's that's so that's I'm kind of like in the
stage now, Okay, Well, I mean they are finished, they
are did what comes next?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, but I don't even I don't even count them, like,
I mean, they're just like nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
If you follow James delling Pole, do you so? He
wrote a fantastic article today about he didn't mention names,
but reading between the lines is talking about Toby Young.
And you know, a lot of my colleagues here in
New Zealand follow the Free Speech Union and do think
that it is some sort of salvation.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Because they haven't done the background, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
They haven't looked at who's behind it and what their
motives might be.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And whether they'll be disappointed again, you know, you.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Know, whether there'll be another reawakening of the people that
are following, you know, the so called free speech advocates,
when they realize that it's maybe you know, just a
far y.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't know, but they're definitely on the journey, Michael.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know that they're on the first run of the
first ladder, and you know, you and I are maybe
on the third ladder and on the sixth floor.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But yeah, we're all learning, we're all reading. I mean,
that's one thing I've done during twenty twenty four is
read a shitload of books, you know, and I love
now putting aside some time to actually read proper black
and white print, you know, in hard copy, because I
think that's probably the future in terms of out education
(11:37):
going forward, because who knows what this internet.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Facility is going to be like even a year from now.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I think it's it's you know, there's all kinds of
challenges in that space.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Look, anything that is didgitalk ultimately, Like you know, I
mean even if you know you buy movies on you know,
Google or iTunes or whatever, I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You buy them, but I mean you don't actually own it.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So it is like it's basically saying, like you know,
you're renting it for an indefinite period of time because
like that can be wipe clear at any point.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So I think people realize that.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean not only that, I mean obviously, like I
mean the big trend in that is like moving back
to cash, because people realize like the really the big,
big risk of like you know, having everything digital, which
I think. Look, I think for me, when it comes
to like, you know, the digital versus analogue thing, there
is no bigger issue than obviously digital idea and CBDC
(12:31):
which will immediately follow that. And I mean when I
did my kind of like you know, predictions, I guess,
or maybe kind of like you know, what I anticipate
in twenty twenty four, I did put the issue of
digital idea something that I think would be something major
that emerges in twenty twenty four, and it did happen.
But I must say it even caught me by surprise.
(12:54):
First of all, how weekly that happened, and how devious,
like you know, they were able, how devious was the
angle that they were able to use. Oh no, exactly
put like especially in Australia, and obviously now this is
going to be replicated everywhere, So that angle of like
you know, protecting the children from online predators.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I mean, on the face of it, who would be
against that? Right?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Like whoa, I mean, the internet has become such a
dangerous place. We got and it has, but and we
got to protect the kids. So now we're going to
restrict like, you know, people under sixteen from accessing the internet.
But oh well, how can we know who's like under
sixteen and who's over sixteen? Oh well, you know, well
(13:38):
I guess everyone would have to get a digital idea.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now, yeh, that's right, I mean, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'm I've been looking at everything that they're doing now
for like you know, a couple of years now, and.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Even now I'm amazed.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like some sometimes how far ahead of the game they are.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So even in Australia they did this diversion tactic where
they did the uh, Misinformation and Disinformation Bill, right, which
was like, you know, very ambiguous and was all about
three speech online and was very quickly defeated because hey,
the opposition said it's like so bad for you, right,
and they're gonna vote against it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So it kind of like was dead in the water.
Then it was pretty pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That this was a diversion tactic, because that same guy,
the leader of the opposition right, who said, oh, this
is like you know, we we can't like you know,
we can't stand for any restrictions of freedom of speak.
But he also said, oh, look we got to protect
the kids. So you're going to have to get a
digital idea. So this is when you think about it,
the tactic. I mean I knew that something like that
would be pushed, but the angle that they've chosen, like,
(14:46):
I mean, heads off to them. I have to say
these people are very smart. Whoever, like you know, is
like the chief strategies there, you know, I mean I
I you know, I've used the term with you.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I mean we've spoken about it in private.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Are you the term DMU decision making unit? So wherever
sits on that decision making unit, they're bloody smart people.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But honestly, these are people that understand human psychology, understand technology.
Like really, I mean that is that is impressive and
I did not see that coming.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Data, It's just said in the comments, if you have
an Australian passport, you have digital idea, which.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That is incorrect.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, it's true to a certain extent. They've got you
on the hook for it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think the real Me in New Zealand, the you
know that's that's been used for you know that there's
no other way really, for instance, to get your gun
license in New Zealand unless you go through the real Me,
which is the government portal ID, and they're definitely pushing
it in other government departments. So I've let mine expire.
(15:52):
So that's very naughty of me. If I if I've
got an expired real May, it means I can't access
any government forms or whatever to submit my tax assessment.
Oh what a shame.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So here's my answer to that.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So here's my answer about like, you know, the Australian
passport and also.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The real MEED.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, the issue is not specifically just digital idea for
the sake of digital idea. The issue is how the
digital idea implemented and more specifically, can this particular implementation
will later be used as a digital wallet for a CD.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now we can argue till the cows come home whether
in Australian or any any E passport. Really it's not
just the Australian one. We can argue whether in E
passport is a digital idea or not. But can an
e passport be used as a digital wallet to put.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Cbdc's in it? My my argument would be no, it cannot.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So yeah, I mean there's the issue of if you're
using in New Zealand your real made to access your
inland revenue taxes, then they could potentially I suppose say, right,
you haven't paid your tax bill this year, and so
we'll put some sort of block on your real maid
so that you can't use it, for instance, to access
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your passport application or whatever that might be.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So I think you have a point.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Actually know, I may be wrong in the sense that
I think I stand by what I said about the passports,
but I think real me and I'm not that familiar
with it. By the sound of it, it sounds very,
very similar to what we have in Australia called mygav idea,
which is being rebranded my ID. Now that is absolutely
one hundred percent digital idea, that is and that can
(17:43):
easily be linked to it. Like I mean that that's
trivial to link that to a digital wallet and off
you go.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
In Australia, then do you need that idea, that my
idea to renew your Australian passport not.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
At this stage, but that can change very very easily.
So for example, I'll give you an example. So at
the moment, the main use case of my gov idea,
which is now called my ID, is to access.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
A government portal called my Gov.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Now my god is a portal that allows you to
access the online services of pretty much all the government,
all the departments of the federal government. Right the most
common use case for people will be the ATEO, the
Australian Taxation Office to do your tax return, and the
other one will be centraling, which is like the Social Security.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Departed.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Right now at the moment, you can use other loggings
and they kind of tell you, oh, like you know,
it's more convenient, like you know, through my go through
my idea. It's called sign up for your my idea
Now it's quick, easy, in free and.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Secure, safe and effective. Right, But.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It will be trivial and this will happen this year
one percent in Australia. One is not a matter of
it's just a matter of time. Where it's gonna happen
in the first three months of the year, where it's
gonna happen in the first six months, of the year
it will happen.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So then will remove the option and they will.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Say, oh, look logging into our username and password.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Look, that's not safe. There's been hacks. It's not like
but hey, look we'll protect you. Just get that.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
My idea, everything is under the government will look after
that and make sure that it is secure, and then
you can look in and look for the For the
protection and integrity of like and especially the social security system,
we have to insist that if you want to access
the services online.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You have to do it through my idea. Yeah, you
don't have to do online.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I mean, you can go to a Central Link coffee
and do a pay per form or whatever, but we're
gonna close all the Central Link offfices, or if you
live in the middle of nowhere, you're gonna have to
drive four five hours.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But hey, go for it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's right, exactly right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So it's look, I mean, the playbook is very very simple,
and it's it's gonna be exactly the same as what
they did with the vaccine vaccine, which what they did
with those injections, right, So they're gonna say, oh, look
you don't have to but look, I mean, if you
don't want to, then maybe you can't do this, you
can't go here. Oh, we're gonna make your life really,
really difficult, and then we're gonna brain you as a
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conspiracy theorists and a right wing extremists.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, we've seen it all before. It's very obvious.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So and in Australia, I mean I've said it before
and I still stand by it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
For the first few years of this decade, like you know,
with the shots.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And everything, Israel was very much at the cutting bleeding
agent was kind of like, you know, the testing ground.
I think that because of the situation in Israel, now
they've kind of like, I mean they've milk that cow dry,
They've they've moved on right, and and I genuinely believe
that Australia is now on the bleeding gage and they're
doing various tests to see what they ken, what they
(20:55):
can get away with, and how far they can push it.
Now the model and that's not a conspiracy theory, that's
I mean, you can see that happening already. So, I
mean what they've done in Australia, it's already being rolled
out in the UK now in the in the US,
it's probably going to be implemented in the sense that,
like you know, protecting from legal immigration, that will be
they'll be obvious, right And then oh look, I mean
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you were already have your digital idea.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well we're plugging the fed now to that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And because oh look, I mean it's gonna save you
a lot of money and instant transfers. How how can
you refuse? And then you know, I mean what happens
after that is very Yep. Someone says tax returns will
be denied without digital idea. Yep, I agree absolutely, because
oh look we canto that is three to you. Someone
may be hack your account. We have to protect the
integrity of the tax system. Maybe they submitted false information,
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and you know they'll use like you know, a few
cases and there's many of them where you know, my
god has been had, there's so many of them. Uh,
and and but they'll say, oh, look, we got to
protect the integrity of the tax system. We have to
protect the integrity of the welfare system. And that's what
the gonna do. So that's like for me, I mean,
if we want to look at, like, you know, the
themes for this year, this is this is it, like
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this is it? And and if we don't stop digital
id being shoved our collective throats, the CPDC will be
rolled out almost instantly, within week two months. The infrastructure
is ready, so it's not like something that needs to
be developed.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It is ready to go. It's press the button.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
As soon as I would say, sixty seventy percent of
the population of a digital idea, then they're going to
force like you know, CBDC and say, look, this is
the only way you.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Have to like you know, transact. Now you don't have
a digital idea, well tough it is.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I mean, you know you can get a here's a
here's a very easy way to get a digital idea
in two seconds, and there's a call center that's going to.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Walk you through it. And we're even gonna make maybe
if it give you a bonus of a few tokens.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I mean, the the the way that it's going to
play out, it is is like it I mean you
don't even have to imagine things.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean it is obvious. Yeah, you know, I could
not see.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
The angle that they're going to use to push the
digital idea, like you know, when it comes to like
protecting the kids online. But this is like clear as
they it is completely obvious what's going to happen now.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I mean, somebody to give you another example of how
that sort of psychology works. Somebody said to me the
other day they were still using this app. You know
that my health app, which Australia has got a similar thing,
you know, to access your medical records, et cetera. And
I said, because I've written about this recently, you know
how all of that data is harvested. There's no doubt
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that they want as much information about your medical records
as they possibly can and amalgamate it for various you know, nefarious.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Goals. But you know, my friend said to me.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Oh, well, you know it's the only way if I
use this app, the only way that I managed to
get an appointment see my doctor, because it's so differ
at the moment to get an appointment because people.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Are ill, and I wonder why.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah, so you know that plays into this mentality of
I'm desperate, I need a health appointment.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So I've got to have this app on my phone.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
And actually if they harvest my data from you know,
that's the price I pay. You know, it's a it's
a sacrifice that they they know is unethical, but like
giving them, you know, giving up.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Their body bodily sovereignty. It's it's let me.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Ask you something without naming names. Has that person taken
the job?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well yeah, so yeah, I mean lots of lots of
people have and and lots of people regret it, and
they openly admit that they regret it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But they haven't learned a lesson obviously, but they have they.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Haven't learned their lesson if they're still involved in the system,
if they're still in the matrix, still trusting their government,
still going to their doctor, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
And that's as you say.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I mean, that is what we're up against, is a
big proportion still five years on, of the population that
are still in that mindset.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, but this is where I see it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So look, you know, that's why I keep happening, like
I'm like, I've become obsessive compulsive when it comes to like,
you know, the digital idea stuff, because two reasons. First
of all, the main reason is if we like you know,
if we don't stop this one, it is over. It
really is over, like fully completely over. Like I mean, yes,
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sure you can, you know, grab your stuff and go live.
In the sticks and like you know, go your own
food and like you know, have a well and basically
like you know, go back to like living in the
Middle Ages. That's fine, and some people are perfectly comfortable
with that, right, but most people are not. And this
this will be the only way to live life without
the digital ideas. So that is the main reason. The
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other reason is, you know, how I said at the beginning,
like you know, I couldn't see a lot of the
stuff that they were doing, and we constantly were called
by surprise of how they like you know, make their moves.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
This one is obvious, Like it is so obvious. It
is like staring us in the face. They're not trying
to hide it. They're openly saying what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Like they openly say, look, we're not hide this is
what we're gonna do, and that's what's gonna happen then,
And that's what's gonna happen then, like literally, it can
be can be clearer than this, So like you know,
and meanwhile, people are trying to figure out, oh, look
it's the Jews, it's the Muslims, it's the migrants.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean, you know, it's just like I look at it.
What's wrong with you? People? So this is like something
that really like, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We have this is our opportunity, like this is I
keep saying, this is the hill we must die of.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
The Michael, take a deepreath.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Tell us how are we going to avoid this catastrophic
digital idea?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Rollout?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Right? Okay? All right, So here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
There's a lot of people that are saying, oh, look,
you know, I'm just gonna do whatever I'm gonna like,
you know, you know, leave off the grid and you know,
build my own homestead.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That that's fine, right, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But there's two problems with that. First of all, the
obvious problem. Make no mistake, They will come for you,
right Your mere existence is a threat. So maybe they'll
leave you alone for three years, maybe they'll leave you
alone for five years, maybe they'll live you alone for
ten years.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But they will come for you. And when I say they,
they're not gonna send soldiers.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They canna send like some of those masks robots and drones.
You can't negotiate with them, you know, you can't say, oh, look,
come back later.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Look these are my reasons.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I'm a conscientious object or whatever. Right, So that that
is that is the one thing the other thing. And
this is why, I mean I can say it comes
from like you know, you could say selfish reason because
if there's one thing that they like. The rollout of
the injectibles has taught us is that we are actually
dependent on the actions that are taken.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
By other people.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So what actions people take or don't take impact us
directly in.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Our families, whether we like it or not.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So in that sense, I am dependent on the majority
of people doing the right thing right now. Unfortunately, and look,
I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but so far
I haven't. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are not
at that stage that they're willing to do whatever it
takes to stop an agenda. And sometimes they don't even
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understand an agenda. And the story that you gave about
your friend is a perfect example. Oh look, yeah, I
know it's dangerous, but look it's the only way to
do it. Or if I don't do that, then I
have to drive to center it for five hours.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So oh look I'm going to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, yeah, right, So.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
When that person does.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That, that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Just affect them and their family ultimately, it affects all
of us because if they reach a certain critical mass
of people that have taken, like you know, have taken
the digital idea, right, they can impose man dates, just
like they did with the injections, Like you know, if
if the injectibles, like you know, if the take up
rate was five percent, ten percent, even you can you
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can't impose man dates like they had to reach about
probably i'd say thirty forty percent or maybe even fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
To impose the mandates to then reach eighty percent. So
this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now, there's two really the way I see, there's two
ways to approach that in terms of what do we
actually do so we can try and convince those people, right,
And with the injections it was relatively easy compared to
this because this whole idea of digital idea is very
kind of a morphic thing, like what does it actually mean?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What are the risks? How is it going to be living?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't understand that, especially if I'm not texteding. Okay,
well so if I downloaded this up on my phone,
what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, So it's a lot it's a lot harder to
kind of communicate that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So there's two approaches that we can take.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
We can try and explain to people and teach them.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And I'm all for that normally.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But the problem is in some places around the world,
with Australia probably being the number one place, we are
out of time.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We don't have time like that's gonna take a year
maybe two two, so.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That like you know, half of the population understands what
is the digital idea, what is the CBDC, what is
the risk behind it?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We don't have that time, right, So that's one approach.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
The second approach is to use the same tactics that
they've used on us.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Now, that's not very nice and.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
As someone told me, oh that doesn't really help, like,
you know, increase the vibration of the planet.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Fair enough. Look, I can't argue with that. But it
will get results.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Why will it get results because it always got results always.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Fear always gets results, period.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And I will challenge anyone, like, you know, if anyone
here on the line give me an example in.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Which a fear campaign has actually failed. One example.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, it depends what you mean by you know, success, So.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, right, so by success what I mean by success?
Success is very simple in this case, the way I
would measure success is how many people will not take
digital idea, regardless of the implications for them and their families,
regardless no matter what.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Literally people with guns come to your house. Yeah, that
would be the measure of success.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Now, if they're gonna do that because they're scared, because
they understand the agenda, because whatever reason, because of religious reasons.
I don't know, Mark of the Beast, I honestly, honestly,
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So what I care about is the result.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I don't care about, like, you know, the journey that
people will take.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
To reach that point. I genuinely don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, right, but I.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Need people to do that, not just because this is
what humanity needs, but like you know, here, I'm being
completely selfish because it will affect me. You know, I
won't be able to go and buy food. I won't
be able to use public transport. You know, I won't
be able to go overseas.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So this is where I'm at with that. So for me,
I mean, look, twenty twenty five is going to be
a crazy I mean I think we can all see that,
Like it's literally going to be like you know, what
we've seen in twenty twenty four amplified by one hundred, right,
one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's going to be like literally every day chaos, like
every day new chaos. We've already seen that.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So I think in this year, more than probably any
other year, it is very, very important to stay focused
and keep an eye on the price in the sense that, Okay,
what is the actual risk and how do we actually
stop that because at the moment, everyone is sot like
you know, left versus right, like you know, migrants all this. Look,
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I mean these are even like you know, the virus,
no virus. Look, these are all important things, no problem. Look,
I mean you can talk about it, but let's win first.
Let's get some wins on the board. Let's let's like
actually get something done, like properly done for the first
time in five years, and then you can argue that
the viruses exists or not. I mean, come on, guys,
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or whether it's the Jews or the Muslims or the
Yellows or the Blacks or whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I mean, I just look at it. Thee what the hell? Like,
what's wrong with people?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So this is like I mean, you asked me, that's
that's that's what I think and I mean, you know,
I I've got a digital marketing background, like you know,
like creating fear campaigns. Like fear campaigns are some of
the easiest, like you know, whether it's the fear of
missing out, whether there's the fear of poor.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Health, whether it's like you know, uh, the fear of like.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Losing something, it is they are so easy, like it
is literally a button that you press and you get
an outcome.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Now, yes, maybe some people will say this is not ethical. Yes,
I agree, I would. I didn't. I didn't want to
go down that rock. I really didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And if we were in twenty twenty two, I will
tell you, look, hersal, and let's try and do other things.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We may have to come to this, but let's try
to do other.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Things before the Well we're not in twenty twenty two,
we're in twenty twenty five. Yeah, And especially like you know,
the way they've caught everyone so much by surprise in Australia.
It's not just the angle of the debuts, it's also
how weekly passed, but how quickly it was all done
and dusted, and like you know, they wanted it all
legislated and signed, sealed and delivered like you know, before Christmas,
and it was all done in like within two two weeks.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And both sides that worked in complete plot stept with
each other, you know, they said, like, I mean, I
think the last sitting.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
In parwierment was, look, we'll be here till like.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, eleven thirty at night, one thirty at night,
two am. We gonna do it before the Christmas break?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Why?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, Now, I mean I totally take you point about
the fear tactic.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I think for me, as an educationalist, I know that
any kind of fear will close off those rational decision
making processes in the brain. And what we actually need
is for people to make rational ethical decisions, you know,
because actually it's logical not to have this stuff on
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your phone. It's logical to interact with people you know personally,
not it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Is logical for you, Ursela.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean as an educational list, you tell me,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You know about this a lot more than I do.
Like you know, when you teach.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Someone something, how long does it take for them usually
to internalize and learn the lesson?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, well, it's got to be in an atmosphere without
fear for them to grasp the full meaning. It's got
to be in that atmosphere, and it's got to be done,
you know, in a contextualized it's got to be something
that's relevant for their every day. I mean, that's the
joy of talking to people like today we were talking
to people about living off grid in your caravan. You know,
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if they're interested in septic tanks, long drops, solar panels,
powerful batteries, you know, let's have that conversation and talk
about how to be totally independent from any exterior you know,
government enforceable, you know, water board fluoridation or whatever it
is you want to you know, talk about. It's those
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kinds of conversations that lead people to realize that actually
they can take control of their lives and they can
make those decisions in logical, rational, timely, you know, series
of steps. I mean, certainly there is a place for
making people aware of the seriousness.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm not saying that at all.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I stress as much as I can the seriousness of
of what we've got ahead and the addictive nature of
our phones. For instance, they're designed to be addictive. You know,
there's a reason why the addictive is That's why the
people are on the Pokey's you know, until god knows
when at night, wasting money that they don't have. So
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that's why I mean, I love that cartoon of I've
put a point of it in the other room, the
Bob Morin cartoon where there's two I think there are
two bears actually rather than humans. But they've got this
horrible new world order, shadowy sort of facade of the
black buildings and everyone in mass and every you know, nasty,
(37:38):
horrible polluted area. And then they're breaking through to the
green pastures you know, in the in the distance, and
they're walking to freedom, you know. And and that for
me is symbolic of what we need to promote, maybe
alongside for some.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
People as you say that, that fear.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Of you know, what is potentially ahead if we don't
go this this other way. But but the joy of
being without devices, of being out in nature, you know,
swimming in the sea like I did over Christmas, you know,
every day, getting getting into the sea and having that
freezing cold.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Water experience for sure.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, and building up your immune systems, staying away from
the doctors, you know, learning about all of the old
you know, old fashioned homeopathic medicines and so forth. Free
you know, free stuff that's out there growing in your
garden that can actually benefit your health. So yeah, that's
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that's the you know, that's the optimist in me, I suppose,
is trying to promote that feeling of this is the
in group.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Welcome to our in group.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
This is what we have done that is special and
rewarding and joyful. Even though bloody Kamala Harris's hijack that word,
you know, there is some joy to be had in
in that grassroots freedom movement whatever whatever we want to
call ourselves.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I think so right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Also, so I wanted to ask you, like, you know,
because I've seen a lot of that stuff online, like
in recent days, what the hell is going in the UK?
Like what's what's the I mean, I think I know
the endgame, but like what's like what's the way to
get there? Like you know, with with these like like
you know, our reform popping out of nowhere in like
you know, farages like the new Messiah, Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Like who's I.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Didn't I didn't read. I only saw the headline this morning.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
But apparently Elon Musk has called First Dama to call
a snap election because it's so unpopular because obviously Elon
is like the new political god, right.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
It's a time, I mean, this particular time of year
in the UK. I do not miss it at all.
It is dark, it is dreary, it is cold. Everybody
is very anxious at their credit card bills coming in
at the end of this month, reminding them of the
realities of the lovely Christmas that they never really had,
that they couldn't afford, that they tried to spend money
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on to make themselves feel better, because you know, that's
how it works.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, it's a mess, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
And I did watch part two of Alex Kraner's presentation
the other day when he's talking about the collapse of
Britain and you know, the debt process there. I mean,
you know, I've lived that treadmill life in the UK
and it's it's pretty depressing.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And it hasn't got any better.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
In the last ten years since I left, so it's
got considerably worse.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
So what do you think, like, I mean again, it
looks like a kind of like a pre determined course
of events. What do you think people can do there
to actually, like, you know, stop that because I mean,
the endgame seems pretty obvious here, and it was kind of.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Like hinted in, like you know, I mean, I think
I mentioned it to you before.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
So in twenty nineteen there was a show, a BBC
show called Years and Years. Yeah, I think any person
in the UK who hasn't seen it needs to watch
that because they literally tell you in your face what's
gonna happen. And there was twenty nineteen including like the
rolling tickers that like the bottom of like you know,
the news bulletins.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
It is profound.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I didn't realize how profound it is up until a
couple of months ago when I saw, like, you know,
that clip with the elections and what happens next.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So I mean, obviously they have a plan.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
It's pretty obvious, and it's again it's like very much.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
In your face. What can people do? Right? I don't obviously, okay,
not vote.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
It's probably one thing because I mean if the participation
rate is very very low, maybe that kind of affects, like,
you know, the legitimacy of weather is going to be elected,
which is probably farage, but I mean the.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Government is still going to push on with all sorts
of craziness. So what can people do?
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, I don't I think. I mean, Jell and Poe
police absolute, you know, finger on it this morning. The
house lord is totally corrupt, you know, the whole parliamentary system.
Democracy doesn't really exist, and it hasn't existed for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
What can you do?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I mean, if I was in the UK right now,
my god, I don't know what. I'd probably go and
buy a little stone cottage on the western coast of
Scotland and.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
And yeah, keep a few sheep.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I don't know, in all seriousness, I can't see it,
you know, the crime rate, the housing problem, the personal debt,
the cost of living. Yeah, I can't see a way out.
And as you say, you know Farrage is the appointed savior.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And and you've got a lot of money behind him.
I mean obviously when you're we know who the aim
and Legato is, like I know, a major, major, major player.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
With a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes, and you know they've got their own TV network now,
so it's pretty obvious, like you know how that's going
to be pulled.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah, And lots of people still don't realize, you know,
I've had numerous conversations with other people about who Farage
is and the connections to you know, the impact investment
and the data harvesting, et cetera. But it's outside people's
over to the window.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
They can't get their head around it. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I mean, Keir Starmer, for a long time people have
said that he wants to call another referendum about Brexit
and and retreat on that.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
So whether Farage will go to war on.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
The basis that you know Brexit has been you know,
a bit of a failure and that they will do
it properly this time, who knows. There's a total mess
and there's as you say, there's so much debt and everything.
It's yeah, do you think it will be the first
domino to fall in the economy or or do you
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think something else?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
The UK is in a very precarious place because like,
if it goes to war, it will be with Russia
and unlike the US for example, I.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Mean, it will be directly affected.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Right, So so you know when I say that, like
you know, stopping the current, like you know, a path
or getting off the current path in the UK, I'd
say this is really like you know, a life or
death matter.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
So I mean, like because I mean we know, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
The one thing that I've learned, and that's throughout the world,
not just in the UK, the military will always obey orders, always, always, always, always, always.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
If they are given orders to attack Russia, they will
attack Russia and a story.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So in the past I used to be optimistic and say, oh,
look like people would not, like you know, the military
commanders wouldn't want to do things. They will threaten them
themselves and their families and like, you know, the country.
Like I mean, if there's anyone who understands, like you know,
how horrible war can be, be the military, right, But
that that has proven to me repeatedly, especially what we've
(45:04):
what's been going on in Israel as well. The military
will always obey orders always yeah right.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So, so I mean I don't know in the case
of the UK, look, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I mean, is it feasible breaking the UK to like,
you know, smaller components and how would that be done?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I don't know. I mean, you know, I mean, I
don't know. I mean I don't know about all that history.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
But I mean Northern Ireland going off and like you know,
joining Ireland. I mean it's that I don't know. I mean,
like geographically it's possible, but I mean given the history,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
I think looking at the whole of Europe, you know,
you can't you can't really separate the UK because you
know we they are so close to the coast of
Europe that you know, there is kind of is arbitrary
really that the channel, you know, the channel was only
twenty six miles or whatever it is. And you know,
I've lived in Kent, so I know that there's people
(45:56):
even ten years ago that were coming across on Dinghi's
every night, you know, advantage of what was then the
National Health Service, which is now virtually non existent, as
well as I can figure out. But I think looking
at the whole of Europe and the mess that France
and Germany Etce you are in, it it's just unbelievable.
What I mean, it's anybody's guess what might happen in
(46:18):
the coming year.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, So what what would you say, like what you're
kind of like, you know, what you see in major
theme in general, like you know in this year in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Five, Well, I think going back to what we started with,
you know that grassroots movement, connecting with your local community,
having some compassion and patience for people who haven't you know,
who are just on that first stepping stone and are
really still going through. You know, you and I, I
know are similar in terms of timings. We went through
(46:49):
that grief process, that shock and grief, and you know,
the world that we left behind that we'll never see again.
You know that the illusion of our worlds, professional identity
and institutions that cared about ethics and all the rest
of it. To think that there's people just starting that
(47:11):
journey now five years on, it's it's quite sobering, I think,
and we do need to have some compassion for these
people and push them on, nudge them on to the
to the next stepping stone as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I agree with you, and I think, look, I mean
that might be a good point to kind of end
things on that because I don't want it to be
too long. But you know, yes, yes, yes, there's a
lot of people only starting kind of like their journey now, Yes,
I totally understand that.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
But what we.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Need is, like I would argue, what we need is
we need those people to go to an accelerated learning process,
like significantly accelerated to what you and I and most
like people who are kind of at our stage have experienced, right,
So it has to be significantly accelerated. Now you tell me,
as an educationalist, that's your department, not mine. How do
(48:04):
we accelerate learning without like necessarily using science?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
So very quickly, there is a publication that the UK
column people have recently published in hard copies just like
a magazine, right, and it's called Agenda twenty one. It's
been updated for the Agenda twenty thirty obviously, and it
just basically summarizes in a very short you know, with
(48:29):
lots of visuals, you know, the background basically to the
WF Agenda Claus Schwab, the regionalization, you know, the democratics
or of the eroding of our democracy through you know,
getting rid of jewelies in courts, et cetera. But I
(48:53):
think something like that that is contextualized for each region
and all country could be a really useful thing. And
we should get like hundreds of boxes of them, you know,
and just distribute them free to people on the streets,
and even if some people didn't read it and just
stuff it in the bin or whatever. You would reach
a percentage of people with something like that, just you know,
(49:15):
a very short publication of some kind hard copy, so
it couldn't be you know, eradicated. Maybe get a pdf
on some websites as well for people to print out
that that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
That would be my strategy. Yeah, I love I love
side of the things that I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
You know, I'm doing some workshops with community groups where
I'm helping to raise awareness about you know, fact checking
fake fact checkers. I've written about my sub stack and
getting people to put their phones away and get out
into nature and you know, do something real and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So yeah, that's the future to me.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
So that UK call them my document that you mentioned,
is that available to download on their website?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's not. I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I think it's to do with copyright or something, but
I do have some hard copies and it is available
for international shipping, and okay, yeah I can Yeah, we
can liaise separately about that, maybe do a post about
it together.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
It could be useful to have, as I say, a
version that is for Australia, New Zealand or you know,
maybe a more international focus, something like that might.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Be worth yeah, all right, I mean might be worth
reaching out to them and see if, like, you know,
they do really want to maintain copyright on that, because
it does seem like a resource. I mean, especially if
like it's available for free on their website, like they're
not selling it. Yeah, oh they're all right, right right, right.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Okay, all right, yeah, I mean it's not I can't
remember how much it is.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
It's not expensive, but no, I understand that's fine. We
can't just then like start distributing that, Okay, but yeah, we.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Separately about that sort of idea, but that that would
be one option or you know, something similar to that
that could just raise awareness amongst people.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
All right, No, that that that that actually sounds interesting.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I've never heard of the death result. So I would
love to have a loop. We've we've got a few
minutes left.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I mean, I don't know if we like we have
any questions, like, you know, if people want to have like,
you know, want to make any questions, like you don't
have any questions, then we can stay online for another
minute or two.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
But otherwise we'll probably wrap it here. Yeah, I see,
we have quite a few people.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
But yeah, if you have any questions or want us
to touch on anything, then that's probably the time.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Otherwise we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah, it's been good to talk anyway.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Michael, always, always, always been a while.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Happy New Year to you too,
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