August 7, 2025 • 41 mins
🎙️ Season Finale Alert! – "Actor Burnout & Mental Health"
In this powerful season finale of "Actors! You Are Enough!!!," Celebrity Master Acting Coach Amy Lyndon and top Talent Agent Ofelia Habelt from Johnson Talent Agency dig deep into the emotional and mental health challenges actors face.
They share real, raw, and game-changing insights, including:
🎠How to avoid burnout in the biz
🎠Why you need to stop chasing the room—bring it to YOU
🎠Taking control of your actor journey (your "carpet ride")
🎠Why your worth doesn’t depend on industry approval
...and so much more truth every actor needs to hear.
🎧 Don’t miss this unfiltered, must-listen conversation to help you protect your peace, own your power, and navigate the industry with confidence.
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Hey guys, episode 13 season 3. This is our last episode for
Season 3. Amazing.
We did at Amy High 5. We did.
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So what'd? You think about your first year
and you guys, Ophelia is a permanent fixture now.
So just thought I'd let you know.
It's now the both of us. It's not just me.
So a fee and. Ophalia Show.
What? Amy and Ophalia show so Dance.
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No. So what do you think about your
first year of doing this? Your first Oh.
It was the, it was so fun. You know, it's just so
interesting, like when you do something for when you've been
doing something like day in and day out and you just, you don't
realize how much that you know until you start sharing it.
(01:06):
And then it's like, Oh my gosh, I know a lot of things about,
and I'm not like making it up either.
I mean, I like you. I know you could like, like a
lot of this business is fake until you make it, but I've
found like, Oh my gosh, all the things I'm talking about, like
these are actually real. This is real.
This is real. Like real talk, you know what
I'm saying? Like this is actually factual.
(01:28):
And obviously some of it is like, OK, this is my experience
and not every casting director'sthe same and not every, but it's
like in a general sense, it's like this is this is the reality
of well. You were also a momager for a
long time, so like that accounts.
Exactly, exactly. So I know it from both sides and
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and you just sort of like, wow, I, I learned I know a lot of
things I'm and it and it's so nice to be able to share it
because I think you're sharing it.
Great, huh? I mean, that's that's what makes
you keep doing it is because of how many people say that it
really helps them like, Oh my gosh, what?
(02:09):
Was the one you got recently about healing?
Somebody used the word healing in it.
It was like, Oh my gosh. And you were like, do you know
that person? I'm like, no.
I thought you knew them because they they sent it to me and I
was like, oh, they met like, andyou're like, I don't know who
this person is, but it was like,it was so like heart felt.
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And and so we just really appreciate that that spurs us
on. That's like the main reason that
we do this, because we really dowant to help actors.
Succeed because I mean there's zilcho goose egg 0 money in it.
Yeah. We're not zero.
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Can you see 0? We're not like we don't have
anything to gain from freely sharing information that is
predominantly gay kept in this world.
And so we literally are are it It literally is a joy.
It's just, it brings us joy to do it and to see you guys's
responses. And no, it's.
(03:14):
And I have fun together. We have so much fun.
I know it's hard to tell, you know, it's hard to tell that,
but we do a lot of fun together.It's yeah, for sure, for sure,
for sure. How do we not know each other
before last year? It hasn't even been a full year.
How did that even happen? Yeah, you guys, Ophelia and I
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met at Lisa London's Academy Award party.
Yeah. And you know, when she was
sitting on the couch and we juststarted talking and we have so
much in common. And then and then we just got
together and thought, I don't know.
And then I had it on the show and I'm like, well, here we are
13 episodes later and and she just.
(03:57):
Kept we like went, we went out to like breakfast or something
and then both of us like could not stop talking, but it wasn't
like, Oh my gosh, Amy can't stoptalking or Oh my gosh, I was
like, it was like we were both had so much to say.
And then I think it occurred to you, wait a minute, like this is
like podcast material because some of the things we were
talking about and and it was like, this is this is literally
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podcast material. And so a podcast was born.
Well, you had already brought the I already.
Had it and I was doing it by myself and having guests on, you
know, like I leaving on an episode which I'm going to be
cutting up and, and repurposing you guys so you could start
seeing and. And, you know, just because
we're on Episode 13 doesn't meanI'm not gonna still be posting
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really great clips from all of our episodes, you know?
Yeah. Exactly, I love it.
Today I thought that we would talk about actor burnout.
Yes, that's a real thing. Yeah, I think I gotta tell you
something really interesting there.
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And and you guys don't do this. I'm telling you right off the
bat, don't do this. So many times somebody will come
to me and they don't have a package at all, right?
And I'll help them with putting together their their photos and
I'll help right there. Demo reels, I'll cast it, I'll
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help rehearse them. Then finally they have photos.
They have the demo reels and then I'll help them get an agent
and a manager and then they leave town and run out of money
and quit because they got so burnt out from putting that
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together. Because it's not, it's not a
three month project, guys. That's about a year long project
because you have to do book, book, you have to you have to
shoot the scenes. They have to be edited and
music. I mean, it's a whole.
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
Yeah, I think and also what I'venoticed that when somebody's
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about to get close to something great, they burn out and start
leaving. So this is something that I
don't know if you remember ClarkSauers, who we had on podcast,
he was talking about being in peak performance for, for
everything you're doing and specifically for actors, how to
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stay in peak performance. And one of the things I remember
that really stood out to me thathe said was because we as
humans, we're, we are, we crave,we called homeostasis.
We just we want things to be thesame.
Weirdly, even if it's not great.Like there's something about
change that is jarring for people, even if they think that
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they want it. And so a lot of actors will
sabotage themselves if they get a breakthrough role, they'll
without even realizing they're doing it, they'll sabotage
themselves because it's going tomean they know that a big change
is coming and it's uncomfortable.
And so they do. They'll do.
They'll do something to sabotageit because they want not.
(07:15):
Even have a a talents that have booked huge roles and their next
step would have been the next big breakout because of the huge
role and all of a sudden they'llbe parting too much.
Yeah, isn't that, isn't that so nuts?
I. Think it's just.
So nuts. You're of success and.
(07:37):
Yes, absolutely Fear, fear you're gonna you're gonna fail.
Oh my gosh, did they pick the right person?
They gonna be disappointed in meall there's an expectation and
and so like if you don't, if youdon't have your inner work done
and being done, you're not goingto be able to sustain success.
(07:58):
And here's another thing about it too.
I think part of the burnout can come from I just was watching a
clip from I can't remember. There was a name actor and I'm
blanking on his name right now. Anyway, he was talking about how
so many people that he meets nowhe's the older and he when he
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was younger, back in the day, there was when he would meet
actors, I mean, with his acting community people, why are you,
why are you an actor? And, and the stories, all the
answers all would revolve aroundtelling a story, some version of
I want to tell a story. And he said when he talks to
actors today, most of the majority of responses are I want
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to be famous. And so I think when you're doing
it because you want to be famous, there's a lot of and,
and Amy, as a coach, I'd like tohear your like what you see with
this. But I think what happens is that
if that's your motivation, you start doing things that you
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wouldn't normally do. If you're, if your goal was to
tell a good story. And the things that you start
doing start burning you out because you, you have there.
Your motivation is, is not, is one that's not sustainable
because you're always chasing, you're always cheating.
No matter what you, what happens, you're always chasing.
(09:22):
Let's say you do get a break or roll that now you're chasing the
next the next big instead of just being really fulfilled in
in what you're doing and you're having that piece you're chasing
and it's exhausting. Yeah, I mean, actually I just
put a post up on threads saying remember why you became an actor
to begin with and don't lose that artistry.
(09:42):
The chase five times is is basedon result.
Yeah. It's result orientation and to
be a great actor you can't be inresult, you have to be in
process. Oh, that's good.
That's a good word right there. Someone write that down and put
that on your whiteboard on your.Bumper sticker.
(10:02):
On your bumper sticker. In all honesty, you've got to
stay in process because if you're thinking about the
results, you're actually not in this, You're not experiencing
the story. Yeah, exactly.
Your job is as an actor is to remain the artist, right?
And stop thinking about how it'sgoing to come out.
(10:22):
Yeah, you're an artist first andforemost.
Yeah. And if you're doing what you're
supposed to be doing, it'll comeout exactly how it's supposed to
come out. Yeah, exactly.
I. Think a lot of us have fears of
letting go, but if you have the right technique, which is why I
I, I talk to people about my technique all the time.
It needs to give you foundation.Yeah, right.
(10:43):
Aviation will give you the confidence to let go, and in the
letting go is where the brilliance is and the specifics,
Wow. And that's where the brilliance
lies. Wow.
But there's no brilliance if you're going to bring result
into the equation. Wow.
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And isn't that interesting? That is a What some people might
think is a, is a subtle like whydoes it matter what you what,
what your goal is? If you're producing the same,
you know, talent and skill, but I don't think people realize
it's not producing the same thing.
It doesn't it, it, it affects what you're what you're giving
out. You know what you're.
(11:24):
Then it becomes an external thing and of course because you
because then you're focused on whether or not it's happening.
Yeah, exactly if. It doesn't happen then that that
breeds depression, which leads to burnout.
OK, Yeah. Exactly.
Because you're looking at is it,is it happening?
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And then it's spirals, you know?Yeah.
So if you can just stay in the process and in the process of
always wanting to get better. Yeah.
So what happens is that? Mindset.
Looking back like I just spoke to somebody, actually it was
yesterday, I said, listen, what I need you to do is I need you
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to take this technique and I need you to to go over some of
the auditions that you had in the past and break it, break the
scene down again and and look atthe difference between what
you're doing and what you're doing now.
So if you can't see progress in your work as an artist and
you're chasing after result and then you're not, then your
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interest is not lying in the correct place.
Yeah. Your interest needs to be lying
and I want to get better. Wow, that's really, really
powerful. And I think that's I think
that's how every area of our lives.
That's that's again, a lot of. People stay in the past in their
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lives, you know? Oh yeah, on to the past and and
the past will drain you and creates burnout, right?
So you don't want to stay in thepast, you want to stay in the
present and learn from the past.Yes, you've got to be able to
let go of the past. You've got to be able to
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surrender whatever has happened in the past, whatever you figure
it out. Fun.
Yeah, gotta be able to surrenderthat without forgetting that it
happened. Like, OK, what did I but like
switching the focus of what, what can I take from what did I
learn from that? I'm surrendering that, letting
that go. And then I'm just going to take
what I anything I've learned andapply that.
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By it moving forward, you know, I watch this show.
I know this is really crazy whatI'm about to say, but I watch
this show called Alone, OK? I watch all of those shows.
It's survival kind of shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The first day, this one girl, because they're all they're
alone until the final person is alone, and it could be up to two
months alone. Wow they're only given like 10.
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She's. Thinking about that, I.
Know I can't even be alone now. What time is it?
I can't even be alone like. But anyways, the first day that
she got there she saw a Hogwart,OK and she says, you know I'm
not going to be a pig about it. I mean I don't know why she's
like that. I'm not going to be a pig about
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it and go get that Hogwart. I'll get it later.
So now she's on day 6 and she's crying about how she let the
Hogwart go because she hasn't eaten for six days now.
Wow, but. As she got in the Hogwart on day
one, it would have set her up for probably 30 days of food,
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right? But now all she can think about
is is the. Let it go.
What she did to herself, yes, awkward, okay, and then it was a
massive mistake, right? So it's going to be it's going
to be the downfall for her right, because she can't because
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then everything's going to be a failure like like the bird that
she missed that it got away fromher.
How did I miss that bird? And everything's going to be a
big deal for this woman. Well, also, she's not going to
see what's in front of her anymore.
No, because she missed the bird.She missed Yes, she missed I.
Can't believe I missed that. And then?
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It's just like the Hogwart had. I only gotten Hog.
So she's only thinking about what she the failure.
Yep, exactly, exactly. Focus on your failure.
Yep. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. On what's in front of you.
You're not going to. You're going to be like the
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woman only thinking about the Hogwart.
Yeah, you're going to, you're going to you're.
So how does that, what does thattranslate into?
You're going to miss opportunities.
You're not going to miss the opportunities when they come.
You're not going to see opportunities even to make
connections. You're gonna, you're, they're
gonna, you're gonna be blind to like, you know, Yeah.
It is you're you're not in the right state of mind.
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You're not in the right state ofmind, so you're not.
So when it's pretty computing your environment in a skewed
way, and so you can be sitting in in this room, you could go to
a premiere and be sitting in this room and, and, and leave
without anything changing in your life because you didn't,
you didn't talk to anyone or youwhen you were talking, you
weren't, you weren't listening or really listening.
(16:32):
Maybe you're thinking about this, this one job that somebody
got. Even though you're moving,
you're moving in a direction, OK, but you don't notice that
you're moving in the direction because you're thinking about
what didn't work. Right.
Exactly. Exactly.
And that is, that is going to burn you out faster than you
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know it, because you'll lose thelove and process.
Exactly. You're going to get discouraged.
Yeah. Why am I doing this?
Yeah, and you? Ever come to Hollywood?
Why? Who do I think I am?
My parents were right. Yeah, instead of instead of
thinking about like the riches that are possibly in front of
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you. Yeah, you're going.
To miss it because you're not going to see the bird.
Yeah, well, you had that great quote, The Last Podcast, and it
was like it was something you read.
It was like there's diamonds in your backyard.
Acres of diamonds. Acres of diamonds in your
backyard? Yeah, it's all there.
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Think about that. It's all there for you.
Think about that. Your anchor diamonds are also
your skills. Oh, that's good.
That's really good. I didn't even think of that when
he said that. Yvonne realizes that your skills
can actually open a door that normally wouldn't open because
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of your lack of credits. Yeah, right.
So that's an acre of diamond. That's a diamond right there.
Yep, totally. I, I, I love the story.
One of our partners was, was telling the story in, in a, in a
meeting that we had and it was an actress.
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And I and I don't have the name of the actress, but she was
chosen for a guest star role over everyone else that
auditioned because she, she had a background in esthetology.
She's an esthetician. Is that the right word?
Esthetician. Estheticianology, this is
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whatever it is and she the sceneshe was waxing someone a Lister
and because she had that they had to like kind of either
really be doing it or or or really look like they knew what
they were doing in it and and sothey picked her.
And so that's something that most people wouldn't think of
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putting down as a skill. Oh, I can wax, you know.
Well, if you can do that, that definitely has to go on casting
network, that's for sure. Yeah, this is a.
Or if you go on your resume and you know where it says
additional professional esthetician.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So yeah, you just, some people
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don't, they downplay what their skills are or they don't even.
Why would I say that as a skill?Look, you just signed, saw her
and she had all these offers. She is a girl that has no
credits, but she's got so many skills.
Yes, exactly how many languages?And she got you.
She got a manager, she got an agent in Chicago.
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I mean, yeah, credits, but because she had all of these
skills and of course the packageI put together for her, so
let's. Exactly, exactly.
Let me come. That's let's be, that's
honestly, that's a part of it. You can have you could have all
the diamonds, but if you don't know how to present them to
people, it you know it's. Like they don't even exist,
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Yeah. Yeah, totally.
Yeah. Oh, good.
Yeah, so. Fantastic, she's fantastic.
Yeah. And I just think that, you know,
it's important that you guys just just remember, how do you
stay centered? How do you stay grounded?
I spoke to one of my guys today who's been doing a lot of the
casting directive workshops and they did one in person.
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And he said he didn't expect they called him first.
He he thought for sure he'd be like 5th or 6th and have a
little bit of time, but they called him first.
Wow. And so this is like in person.
It's not even like on Zoom. OK, so he didn't have, he says
he really needed more time to beable to get to 0.
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He couldn't. He couldn't find his grounding.
Unfortunately, the casting director likes to do like to
give feedback. And so the cast did three times
with everybody. So by the time he got to the
third one, he nailed it, but could have nailed it the first
time. How do you have been grounded?
But he wasn't being expected. He didn't expect to be called
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on. Interesting.
OK, and so I gave him a little note when I when I see what I
told. Him to do?
Yes, now you have to read it. Yeah, I'll, I'll show you.
I'll show you. I'll show you what I told him.
OK, It's a little tip. OK.
All right. So you be the casting director,
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OK, And I come up, right? OK.
And I come up and I didn't realize it was going to be
called. OK, so I'm going to turn right
and I'm going to come up ready. Call Call My Name.
OK, Amy Linden. Oh, hi.
How are you? OK.
Oh, one second. OK, I'm ready.
OK. All right.
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Amazing. So what I did guys, for those of
you that are just listening and not watching, I, I came up, I
was very pleasant, right? Wasn't I pleasant?
Yeah, you're pleasant and also you're, you're like excited to
be here. Yeah, and I just jumped up and I
was like, hey, what's up? And and then I put my finger up
and I put my back so I can ground.
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Yeah. It took over the space.
Yep. Very important to take over the
space. You're not aggressively taking
it over. You take it over because you
know what your vehicle needs, but stay turned around too long,
just enough to get that emotion and your your emotional jump off
and the energy of what you're doing.
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Yeah, you're that was about like5 seconds.
Yeah, it was about 5 seconds. Yeah, yeah.
That's. Good, but but what does it read
like to you? Oh, it, it looked like.
It was like, oh, I wonder what'shappening?
But because it was so quick and you turn around so fast, like,
OK. And then and I suddenly
realized, oh, you were getting yourself ready.
Yeah. And so it all, it all, it
wasn't, it was you weren't turning away long enough for me
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to be, to be like, what is she doing?
You know, as soon as they start to wonder, then you turn back
around. And then I realize, oh, she's
she's she's centering. She's centering herself.
Right respect for your vehicle. That's great.
That's so and. The thing is that you spend so
much money on these workshops, OK?
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And people don't forget. They just don't forget casting
Dutch. Just don't forget.
You need several years between you for them to actually forget.
OK, so so A you don't want to practice on them, but B you also
don't want to jump off and not be ready.
Right, exactly right. Yep, that those are such, such,
(23:51):
such good words. Such good words.
Yeah. So take care of yourself, but if
you're not in a good space, you're not going to be able to
do any of that. Yeah.
So it's even taking the risk of like, oh, what if?
What if they don't like me saying hold on, OK, well that is
going to be better. And first of all, and they're
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also not going to, not when theyrealize what you're doing,
they're going to be fine. But what's the point of even
doing the audition if you're like, if you're not grounded and
you're, you know, they're, you're not going to.
Let's say if you're having a conversation.
So you know, you guys have to realize that casting agents,
managers, they're not actors. They don't know what you need.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's.
(24:32):
So, so here practice, let's say a casting conversation like I
like your shoes or something. OK.
So hi, so nice to meet you. So great to meet you too.
Well, I love your shirts. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Got it on sale.
I'll let you know where I got it.
Oh, I love it. OK, hold on.
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OK, I'm ready. OK, awesome.
And also like when you came backwith like you have, you have you
have a look on your face right now that's like makes me want to
pay attention to what's about tohappen because I'm.
Focused and I'm ready. Yeah, yeah, I'm intrigued.
Like immediately, yeah. Because you're like, you're
like, Oh well, this person, thisperson is serious.
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Yeah, exactly. You could have conversations
with people, but you don't have to like, fully engage.
Yeah. And that's so good because
you're not like being weird. You're you're being like like a
so like a normal social social, you know, you have, you have
social, you're talking then and then you're like, OK, hold on.
And that's that when you're about to audition, that is a
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normal thing to do. Like you, you know, you were
friendly. Yeah, I think that's that was a
really good balance. Just don't engage too much.
Exactly. Yeah.
You're not buddies. Yeah, don't engage too much
because it'll pull you out of the scene.
Yeah, that's so good. Yeah, I I think professionalism
is, you know, just a little sidenote on just a side note on
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professionalism, I've had two, two different conversation, well
11 direct conversation and one Iheard someone else on our team
heard about another conversationof 1 was one was one of my
talent who was who dropped theirmanager because their managers
are oversharing with them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They made the personal management becomes too personal
too. Personal and then another one
was someone someone dropped an agent because they were same
thing. It was some oversharing.
And so I think in this business,it's a people business.
And I think so, you know, as actors, this can happen to reps
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too, as actors. Listen carefully.
And some of some of you actors have really friendly
personalities. You're very outgoing, you're
extroverted you and you've heardsomewhere that a if you, if you
know, if you're with a casting director and they they like you
as a person, they're more likelyto cast you.
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So you try really hard. You, you go out of your way to
like be a little buddy buddy, but you've got to be really
careful with that because it's one thing to be friendly, it's
another thing to act like, to act like you're buds.
You don't want to cross the line.
You, you seriously cross the line.
My, my ex did. He won't.
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He wanted desperately to be in aMarvel film.
And I was like, no, don't send that.
Don't send that. Don't send that.
He he sent a piece. That's the worst.
He sent a pizza and but there was no pizza in it.
There were pictures of him in each slice as this character.
(27:52):
It was so cringe. Like we broke up shortly after
that because he was so freaking cringe.
OK. Like that's why I do not date
actors. They're just too cringy.
Like if you, if you're an actor and I'm thinking you're doing
other things, like you have a business, then I'll date you.
But if you're just an actor and you're trying desperately for
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somebody to love you, oh, Fringe.
So it was just. It's turn off of all time.
Yeah, it's like, no, send them apizza, you idiot.
Like, oh, you know, I. Mean it's just kind of.
Cursing them, hearing about. It, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, I think The thing is, is that they need to come to
(28:37):
you. You need to stop going to them.
That's OK. Let's talk about that.
What is that? What do you tell us what that
means? What does that look like?
Well, there's, there's a lot of people and I, I am, I am really
controversial because I disagreewith a lot of what people say.
One of the biggest things that people say is win the room.
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You will win the room when the room comes to you.
See, it's not as simple as that.Say that again.
You will win the room. When the room comes to you, stop
going to the room. If you are a great actor and
doing your thing and creating the environment and the world
(29:19):
that you live in and you take meon your actor magic carpet ride,
then I will love you. I love that actor magic carpet
ride that's so good. Yeah, you could transform
somebody like if you're like thebeauty of of self tapes is it's
(29:42):
just you, you're like almost like an actor or magician.
So you're standing in front of like a, a, a screen, right.
And you transport me, yeah, intothe world that you're creating
with just you and a screen. Yeah.
It's like. Magic.
It is like like magic. Yes, yes, it is magic.
(30:03):
So if you're busy going to them and go please love me Greg, If
you keep doing that, then then they will repel.
They'll be like, EW it. Really like you did when you saw
the the the pizza thing, You're like, it was.
It was cringe city. OK, so but but if you do a bang
(30:29):
up job and you're creating this world that you live in, they'll
keep moving closer to you and gowhen are you?
Well, it's like even before you started and you, you came and
you had that like super focused look on your face.
I I was like, yeah, yeah. You move in, you're like.
Like even physically, I was like, what's gonna happen here,
(30:51):
you know? Power.
It's power. It's power, it's power and and
the only way to create that power is to stop going to people
to love you. Wow, wow.
And that starts with loving yourself.
If you love yourself, you don't.You don't.
You're not dependent on other people to to affirm that you're
(31:13):
lovable. You're not dependent on it.
Everyone needs love, but you're not dependent on determining
what your your love ability by someone else's expression or not
expression of that love. And so you're not going to start
looping after you have an audition and second guessing
yourself. And was I good?
(31:34):
Am I good enough? Am I good enough?
You are enough. That's the whole point of what
this podcast that we're doing isto get actors to a play to, to
be a part of giving information that's a part of a part of your
training so that you can feel more confident, like you have
the information that you need. And part of that information is
(31:57):
that you are enough. It doesn't mean you don't keep
growing and learning and and getting better at your craft.
Yeah, but the more you know about your enoughness.
Yeah. The more you have to give as an
artist. Yeah, 100%.
(32:18):
You're not trying to. You're not distracted by the
energy of trying to convince yourself that you're lovable and
accepted and enough. Yeah, that's a distraction.
It is a distraction. So like, be the ball, be the
ball, get into the center of it.It's like Zen in the yard of
motorcycle maintenance. I read that a long time ago, and
(32:40):
it's all about getting in this gooey center of things.
Yeah. Great philosophical book.
But that sounds so interesting. And in the art of motorcycle
maintenance. Oh my God.
I'm so fascinated I've had. Some really cool books, yeah.
Right. I don't remember that one.
Yeah. That was a good one.
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But I, I'm saying to you guys that you know, if you're
focusing on what happened or something external outside of
who you are as a person, then you are going to suffer big time
burnout because your focus is all jacked.
Up hear that, hear that, you guys hear that?
(33:24):
That's that's real. More real talk that more facts.
Yeah, don't get all jacked up byby stuff that has nothing to do
with you or, or that has nothingto do with what it what it is
that you need to be focused on. Focus, focus, focus.
I'm positive that the person that's going down the hill for
(33:47):
going for the gold, that they'renot checking their phone.
They're not worried about the previous run.
They're worried about the run right now.
You're not checking their phone so good.
You're not going to be like. Seriously, let me think about
that. Yeah, like think about that.
They're not thinking about that.Exactly.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there was a woman, OK, I,
I mean, I know we have to go soon, but there was a woman that
she was going for the gold and she missed it.
She got the silver instead of the gold and she missed it by
like a like a millimeter of a second.
Yeah, wow. What entered her head to keep
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her from the gold? What do you?
What was that something? It was something.
Something. It was something.
Sliver. She was a sliver away.
And then you guys, when you get pinned and it's between somebody
else, they got the gold, you gotthe silver.
What was in the way? You were.
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Was in the way that's the question to be asking you don't
you don't Oh my gosh, this is sogood because this so this can
turn for most people. I've seen this over and over.
It turns into like this, like almost a crushing
disappointment. And it's like it just the wind
is knocked out and and instead of like, oh, I just got, I just
(35:15):
got the silver medal and oh, nowI get to, I now I get to figure
out what was in the way. I'm so excited because I'm going
to get that out of the way and I'm going to get the gold next.
Yeah, but most people don't do that.
No, they just stop and. They go down and they don't get
back up. Yeah.
And then it they take it into the next audition.
(35:36):
Yeah. Oh, hear this.
Yeah, I did a you. Know once she.
Posted a whole lecture on that Bobo, I think his name was Bobo,
that I had as a kid where I would just like hit it.
It went down and came back up. Did you ever see that Bobo the
clown you would like? I know then, yeah, I know then.
I don't remember what it did, but I know the clown know the
(35:57):
name of it. I don't know why I got it as a
kid. You know, my parents thought it
was aggressive or something, butI was busy punching the crap out
of that, that clown. And it just would just come back
up and come back up and come back up.
I would hit it and it would comeback up.
Well, you guys, all of you need to be Bobo.
(36:18):
If that's his name. I don't know if that's his name.
OK, baby. Is that one of our merch?
Is that one of our merch? Some very some like version of
that's not copyrighted. We can make it legal to like
that's. Whatever, I'll have a clown and
I'll be like Beep Bo. Yes, yes, seriously, that's what
you have to do. And and then but you can't.
(36:40):
But it's like if you're the windis knocked out of your sails,
you can't you can't force yourself.
You can't, you know, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps
that that is I don't think that's effective.
You have to actually have a planin place.
Like when this comes up, how am I going to turn this into
something positive? Like you have to do the work.
(37:02):
You have to be like, OK, I won the silver medal.
Why? I'm going to go back with my
coach and talk about what this is, what Olympic athletes do.
They go back with their coaches and their coaches analyze and
they're like, OK, this is what? Let's work on this.
Football teams do that. They look at the plays of other
football teams. Yep.
(37:24):
And look at the plays of their own plays of work.
What didn't work? What do they need to make work
better? Yeah, don't just walk away and
be sad like like be like awesome.
I get to figure this out and I'mand I'm getting I'm getting
closer to the gold like you. It's not you can I know there's
a lot of things that we don't. Casting doesn't give you
(37:46):
feedback. Which side note, please, you
guys get into Amy's next class that she has coming up because
you're gonna, you're gonna have the experience as if you're
getting feedback not just from acasting director, but from a
from like as if you're getting it from a producer.
Tell please tell them what you're doing.
(38:06):
Co star class but but just know I don't always do it.
This is a special one day class and so it's.
Not ongoing, you guys. This is not an ongoing class.
You don't you if you don't fit in.
Yeah, but you guys. But what I am what I am doing is
that I do have a discount on my Udemy course which will teach
(38:30):
you the 15 guidelines from your house.
But it's of course. So DM me if you want the
discount code or get into the the Saturday intensive, which
would qualify you for the masterclass.
So that's what I can offer you. And you can also get a free week
(38:50):
on the Actors toolbox.net. Love it.
Actors toolbox.net you can get your free week.
There you can get more information about the Co star
class which is not ongoing so you want to.
Yeah, you just want. To get on the list.
Get on the list to be on the next one.
But the actual toolbox, I'm coaching about 130 people on
(39:12):
there. So you really see it, but and
there's so many marketing thingson, there's a ton of stuff on
there. So good, so good.
So yeah, I think. That's how do people get in
touch with you. In case people get in touch with
me going, they can e-mail me youcanemailophelia@johnstown.com.
(39:34):
You can also DM me on Instagram.Amy, you're my manager, so
you're unofficially my manager, so.
What EA under score right? Yes, JT under score, Agent under
score Ophelia. That's right.
That's how you can get in touch with me.
You can DM me. That's also my e-mail, Yeah.
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Hey guys, episode 13 season 3. This is our last episode for
Season 3. Amazing.
We did at Amy High 5. We did.
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So what'd? You think about your first year
and you guys, Ophelia is a permanent fixture now.
So just thought I'd let you know.
It's now the both of us. It's not just me.
So a fee and. Ophalia Show.
What? Amy and Ophalia show so Dance.
(00:43):
No. So what do you think about your
first year of doing this? Your first Oh.
It was the, it was so fun. You know, it's just so
interesting, like when you do something for when you've been
doing something like day in and day out and you just, you don't
realize how much that you know until you start sharing it.
(01:06):
And then it's like, Oh my gosh, I know a lot of things about,
and I'm not like making it up either.
I mean, I like you. I know you could like, like a
lot of this business is fake until you make it, but I've
found like, Oh my gosh, all the things I'm talking about, like
these are actually real. This is real.
This is real. Like real talk, you know what
I'm saying? Like this is actually factual.
(01:28):
And obviously some of it is like, OK, this is my experience
and not every casting director'sthe same and not every, but it's
like in a general sense, it's like this is this is the reality
of well. You were also a momager for a
long time, so like that accounts.
Exactly, exactly. So I know it from both sides and
(01:49):
and you just sort of like, wow, I, I learned I know a lot of
things I'm and it and it's so nice to be able to share it
because I think you're sharing it.
Great, huh? I mean, that's that's what makes
you keep doing it is because of how many people say that it
really helps them like, Oh my gosh, what?
(02:09):
Was the one you got recently about healing?
Somebody used the word healing in it.
It was like, Oh my gosh. And you were like, do you know
that person? I'm like, no.
I thought you knew them because they they sent it to me and I
was like, oh, they met like, andyou're like, I don't know who
this person is, but it was like,it was so like heart felt.
(02:30):
And and so we just really appreciate that that spurs us
on. That's like the main reason that
we do this, because we really dowant to help actors.
Succeed because I mean there's zilcho goose egg 0 money in it.
Yeah. We're not zero.
(02:51):
Can you see 0? We're not like we don't have
anything to gain from freely sharing information that is
predominantly gay kept in this world.
And so we literally are are it It literally is a joy.
It's just, it brings us joy to do it and to see you guys's
responses. And no, it's.
(03:14):
And I have fun together. We have so much fun.
I know it's hard to tell, you know, it's hard to tell that,
but we do a lot of fun together.It's yeah, for sure, for sure,
for sure. How do we not know each other
before last year? It hasn't even been a full year.
How did that even happen? Yeah, you guys, Ophelia and I
(03:36):
met at Lisa London's Academy Award party.
Yeah. And you know, when she was
sitting on the couch and we juststarted talking and we have so
much in common. And then and then we just got
together and thought, I don't know.
And then I had it on the show and I'm like, well, here we are
13 episodes later and and she just.
(03:57):
Kept we like went, we went out to like breakfast or something
and then both of us like could not stop talking, but it wasn't
like, Oh my gosh, Amy can't stoptalking or Oh my gosh, I was
like, it was like we were both had so much to say.
And then I think it occurred to you, wait a minute, like this is
like podcast material because some of the things we were
talking about and and it was like, this is this is literally
(04:20):
podcast material. And so a podcast was born.
Well, you had already brought the I already.
Had it and I was doing it by myself and having guests on, you
know, like I leaving on an episode which I'm going to be
cutting up and, and repurposing you guys so you could start
seeing and. And, you know, just because
we're on Episode 13 doesn't meanI'm not gonna still be posting
(04:44):
really great clips from all of our episodes, you know?
Yeah. Exactly, I love it.
Today I thought that we would talk about actor burnout.
Yes, that's a real thing. Yeah, I think I gotta tell you
something really interesting there.
(05:07):
And and you guys don't do this. I'm telling you right off the
bat, don't do this. So many times somebody will come
to me and they don't have a package at all, right?
And I'll help them with putting together their their photos and
I'll help right there. Demo reels, I'll cast it, I'll
(05:29):
help rehearse them. Then finally they have photos.
They have the demo reels and then I'll help them get an agent
and a manager and then they leave town and run out of money
and quit because they got so burnt out from putting that
(05:49):
together. Because it's not, it's not a
three month project, guys. That's about a year long project
because you have to do book, book, you have to you have to
shoot the scenes. They have to be edited and
music. I mean, it's a whole.
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
Yeah, I think and also what I'venoticed that when somebody's
(06:11):
about to get close to something great, they burn out and start
leaving. So this is something that I
don't know if you remember ClarkSauers, who we had on podcast,
he was talking about being in peak performance for, for
everything you're doing and specifically for actors, how to
(06:32):
stay in peak performance. And one of the things I remember
that really stood out to me thathe said was because we as
humans, we're, we are, we crave,we called homeostasis.
We just we want things to be thesame.
Weirdly, even if it's not great.Like there's something about
change that is jarring for people, even if they think that
(06:53):
they want it. And so a lot of actors will
sabotage themselves if they get a breakthrough role, they'll
without even realizing they're doing it, they'll sabotage
themselves because it's going tomean they know that a big change
is coming and it's uncomfortable.
And so they do. They'll do.
They'll do something to sabotageit because they want not.
(07:15):
Even have a a talents that have booked huge roles and their next
step would have been the next big breakout because of the huge
role and all of a sudden they'llbe parting too much.
Yeah, isn't that, isn't that so nuts?
I. Think it's just.
So nuts. You're of success and.
(07:37):
Yes, absolutely Fear, fear you're gonna you're gonna fail.
Oh my gosh, did they pick the right person?
They gonna be disappointed in meall there's an expectation and
and so like if you don't, if youdon't have your inner work done
and being done, you're not goingto be able to sustain success.
(07:58):
And here's another thing about it too.
I think part of the burnout can come from I just was watching a
clip from I can't remember. There was a name actor and I'm
blanking on his name right now. Anyway, he was talking about how
so many people that he meets nowhe's the older and he when he
(08:19):
was younger, back in the day, there was when he would meet
actors, I mean, with his acting community people, why are you,
why are you an actor? And, and the stories, all the
answers all would revolve aroundtelling a story, some version of
I want to tell a story. And he said when he talks to
actors today, most of the majority of responses are I want
(08:39):
to be famous. And so I think when you're doing
it because you want to be famous, there's a lot of and,
and Amy, as a coach, I'd like tohear your like what you see with
this. But I think what happens is that
if that's your motivation, you start doing things that you
(09:00):
wouldn't normally do. If you're, if your goal was to
tell a good story. And the things that you start
doing start burning you out because you, you have there.
Your motivation is, is not, is one that's not sustainable
because you're always chasing, you're always cheating.
No matter what you, what happens, you're always chasing.
(09:22):
Let's say you do get a break or roll that now you're chasing the
next the next big instead of just being really fulfilled in
in what you're doing and you're having that piece you're chasing
and it's exhausting. Yeah, I mean, actually I just
put a post up on threads saying remember why you became an actor
to begin with and don't lose that artistry.
(09:42):
The chase five times is is basedon result.
Yeah. It's result orientation and to
be a great actor you can't be inresult, you have to be in
process. Oh, that's good.
That's a good word right there. Someone write that down and put
that on your whiteboard on your.Bumper sticker.
(10:02):
On your bumper sticker. In all honesty, you've got to
stay in process because if you're thinking about the
results, you're actually not in this, You're not experiencing
the story. Yeah, exactly.
Your job is as an actor is to remain the artist, right?
And stop thinking about how it'sgoing to come out.
(10:22):
Yeah, you're an artist first andforemost.
Yeah. And if you're doing what you're
supposed to be doing, it'll comeout exactly how it's supposed to
come out. Yeah, exactly.
I. Think a lot of us have fears of
letting go, but if you have the right technique, which is why I
I, I talk to people about my technique all the time.
It needs to give you foundation.Yeah, right.
(10:43):
Aviation will give you the confidence to let go, and in the
letting go is where the brilliance is and the specifics,
Wow. And that's where the brilliance
lies. Wow.
But there's no brilliance if you're going to bring result
into the equation. Wow.
(11:03):
And isn't that interesting? That is a What some people might
think is a, is a subtle like whydoes it matter what you what,
what your goal is? If you're producing the same,
you know, talent and skill, but I don't think people realize
it's not producing the same thing.
It doesn't it, it, it affects what you're what you're giving
out. You know what you're.
(11:24):
Then it becomes an external thing and of course because you
because then you're focused on whether or not it's happening.
Yeah, exactly if. It doesn't happen then that that
breeds depression, which leads to burnout.
OK, Yeah. Exactly.
Because you're looking at is it,is it happening?
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And then it's spirals, you know?Yeah.
So if you can just stay in the process and in the process of
always wanting to get better. Yeah.
So what happens is that? Mindset.
Looking back like I just spoke to somebody, actually it was
yesterday, I said, listen, what I need you to do is I need you
(12:07):
to take this technique and I need you to to go over some of
the auditions that you had in the past and break it, break the
scene down again and and look atthe difference between what
you're doing and what you're doing now.
So if you can't see progress in your work as an artist and
you're chasing after result and then you're not, then your
(12:29):
interest is not lying in the correct place.
Yeah. Your interest needs to be lying
and I want to get better. Wow, that's really, really
powerful. And I think that's I think
that's how every area of our lives.
That's that's again, a lot of. People stay in the past in their
(12:51):
lives, you know? Oh yeah, on to the past and and
the past will drain you and creates burnout, right?
So you don't want to stay in thepast, you want to stay in the
present and learn from the past.Yes, you've got to be able to
let go of the past. You've got to be able to
(13:12):
surrender whatever has happened in the past, whatever you figure
it out. Fun.
Yeah, gotta be able to surrenderthat without forgetting that it
happened. Like, OK, what did I but like
switching the focus of what, what can I take from what did I
learn from that? I'm surrendering that, letting
that go. And then I'm just going to take
what I anything I've learned andapply that.
(13:36):
By it moving forward, you know, I watch this show.
I know this is really crazy whatI'm about to say, but I watch
this show called Alone, OK? I watch all of those shows.
It's survival kind of shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The first day, this one girl, because they're all they're
alone until the final person is alone, and it could be up to two
months alone. Wow they're only given like 10.
(14:01):
She's. Thinking about that, I.
Know I can't even be alone now. What time is it?
I can't even be alone like. But anyways, the first day that
she got there she saw a Hogwart,OK and she says, you know I'm
not going to be a pig about it. I mean I don't know why she's
like that. I'm not going to be a pig about
(14:22):
it and go get that Hogwart. I'll get it later.
So now she's on day 6 and she's crying about how she let the
Hogwart go because she hasn't eaten for six days now.
Wow, but. As she got in the Hogwart on day
one, it would have set her up for probably 30 days of food,
(14:45):
right? But now all she can think about
is is the. Let it go.
What she did to herself, yes, awkward, okay, and then it was a
massive mistake, right? So it's going to be it's going
to be the downfall for her right, because she can't because
(15:07):
then everything's going to be a failure like like the bird that
she missed that it got away fromher.
How did I miss that bird? And everything's going to be a
big deal for this woman. Well, also, she's not going to
see what's in front of her anymore.
No, because she missed the bird.She missed Yes, she missed I.
Can't believe I missed that. And then?
(15:28):
It's just like the Hogwart had. I only gotten Hog.
So she's only thinking about what she the failure.
Yep, exactly, exactly. Focus on your failure.
Yep. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. On what's in front of you.
You're not going to. You're going to be like the
(15:49):
woman only thinking about the Hogwart.
Yeah, you're going to, you're going to you're.
So how does that, what does thattranslate into?
You're going to miss opportunities.
You're not going to miss the opportunities when they come.
You're not going to see opportunities even to make
connections. You're gonna, you're, they're
gonna, you're gonna be blind to like, you know, Yeah.
It is you're you're not in the right state of mind.
(16:10):
You're not in the right state ofmind, so you're not.
So when it's pretty computing your environment in a skewed
way, and so you can be sitting in in this room, you could go to
a premiere and be sitting in this room and, and, and leave
without anything changing in your life because you didn't,
you didn't talk to anyone or youwhen you were talking, you
weren't, you weren't listening or really listening.
(16:32):
Maybe you're thinking about this, this one job that somebody
got. Even though you're moving,
you're moving in a direction, OK, but you don't notice that
you're moving in the direction because you're thinking about
what didn't work. Right.
Exactly. Exactly.
And that is, that is going to burn you out faster than you
(16:54):
know it, because you'll lose thelove and process.
Exactly. You're going to get discouraged.
Yeah. Why am I doing this?
Yeah, and you? Ever come to Hollywood?
Why? Who do I think I am?
My parents were right. Yeah, instead of instead of
thinking about like the riches that are possibly in front of
(17:17):
you. Yeah, you're going.
To miss it because you're not going to see the bird.
Yeah, well, you had that great quote, The Last Podcast, and it
was like it was something you read.
It was like there's diamonds in your backyard.
Acres of diamonds. Acres of diamonds in your
backyard? Yeah, it's all there.
(17:39):
Think about that. It's all there for you.
Think about that. Your anchor diamonds are also
your skills. Oh, that's good.
That's really good. I didn't even think of that when
he said that. Yvonne realizes that your skills
can actually open a door that normally wouldn't open because
(18:01):
of your lack of credits. Yeah, right.
So that's an acre of diamond. That's a diamond right there.
Yep, totally. I, I, I love the story.
One of our partners was, was telling the story in, in a, in a
meeting that we had and it was an actress.
(18:23):
And I and I don't have the name of the actress, but she was
chosen for a guest star role over everyone else that
auditioned because she, she had a background in esthetology.
She's an esthetician. Is that the right word?
Esthetician. Estheticianology, this is
(18:44):
whatever it is and she the sceneshe was waxing someone a Lister
and because she had that they had to like kind of either
really be doing it or or or really look like they knew what
they were doing in it and and sothey picked her.
And so that's something that most people wouldn't think of
(19:06):
putting down as a skill. Oh, I can wax, you know.
Well, if you can do that, that definitely has to go on casting
network, that's for sure. Yeah, this is a.
Or if you go on your resume and you know where it says
additional professional esthetician.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So yeah, you just, some people
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don't, they downplay what their skills are or they don't even.
Why would I say that as a skill?Look, you just signed, saw her
and she had all these offers. She is a girl that has no
credits, but she's got so many skills.
Yes, exactly how many languages?And she got you.
She got a manager, she got an agent in Chicago.
(19:51):
I mean, yeah, credits, but because she had all of these
skills and of course the packageI put together for her, so
let's. Exactly, exactly.
Let me come. That's let's be, that's
honestly, that's a part of it. You can have you could have all
the diamonds, but if you don't know how to present them to
people, it you know it's. Like they don't even exist,
(20:15):
Yeah. Yeah, totally.
Yeah. Oh, good.
Yeah, so. Fantastic, she's fantastic.
Yeah. And I just think that, you know,
it's important that you guys just just remember, how do you
stay centered? How do you stay grounded?
I spoke to one of my guys today who's been doing a lot of the
casting directive workshops and they did one in person.
(20:37):
And he said he didn't expect they called him first.
He he thought for sure he'd be like 5th or 6th and have a
little bit of time, but they called him first.
Wow. And so this is like in person.
It's not even like on Zoom. OK, so he didn't have, he says
he really needed more time to beable to get to 0.
(21:03):
He couldn't. He couldn't find his grounding.
Unfortunately, the casting director likes to do like to
give feedback. And so the cast did three times
with everybody. So by the time he got to the
third one, he nailed it, but could have nailed it the first
time. How do you have been grounded?
But he wasn't being expected. He didn't expect to be called
(21:23):
on. Interesting.
OK, and so I gave him a little note when I when I see what I
told. Him to do?
Yes, now you have to read it. Yeah, I'll, I'll show you.
I'll show you. I'll show you what I told him.
OK, It's a little tip. OK.
All right. So you be the casting director,
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OK, And I come up, right? OK.
And I come up and I didn't realize it was going to be
called. OK, so I'm going to turn right
and I'm going to come up ready. Call Call My Name.
OK, Amy Linden. Oh, hi.
How are you? OK.
Oh, one second. OK, I'm ready.
OK. All right.
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Amazing. So what I did guys, for those of
you that are just listening and not watching, I, I came up, I
was very pleasant, right? Wasn't I pleasant?
Yeah, you're pleasant and also you're, you're like excited to
be here. Yeah, and I just jumped up and I
was like, hey, what's up? And and then I put my finger up
and I put my back so I can ground.
(22:26):
Yeah. It took over the space.
Yep. Very important to take over the
space. You're not aggressively taking
it over. You take it over because you
know what your vehicle needs, but stay turned around too long,
just enough to get that emotion and your your emotional jump off
and the energy of what you're doing.
(22:48):
Yeah, you're that was about like5 seconds.
Yeah, it was about 5 seconds. Yeah, yeah.
That's. Good, but but what does it read
like to you? Oh, it, it looked like.
It was like, oh, I wonder what'shappening?
But because it was so quick and you turn around so fast, like,
OK. And then and I suddenly
realized, oh, you were getting yourself ready.
Yeah. And so it all, it all, it
wasn't, it was you weren't turning away long enough for me
(23:10):
to be, to be like, what is she doing?
You know, as soon as they start to wonder, then you turn back
around. And then I realize, oh, she's
she's she's centering. She's centering herself.
Right respect for your vehicle. That's great.
That's so and. The thing is that you spend so
much money on these workshops, OK?
(23:31):
And people don't forget. They just don't forget casting
Dutch. Just don't forget.
You need several years between you for them to actually forget.
OK, so so A you don't want to practice on them, but B you also
don't want to jump off and not be ready.
Right, exactly right. Yep, that those are such, such,
(23:51):
such good words. Such good words.
Yeah. So take care of yourself, but if
you're not in a good space, you're not going to be able to
do any of that. Yeah.
So it's even taking the risk of like, oh, what if?
What if they don't like me saying hold on, OK, well that is
going to be better. And first of all, and they're
(24:12):
also not going to, not when theyrealize what you're doing,
they're going to be fine. But what's the point of even
doing the audition if you're like, if you're not grounded and
you're, you know, they're, you're not going to.
Let's say if you're having a conversation.
So you know, you guys have to realize that casting agents,
managers, they're not actors. They don't know what you need.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's.
(24:32):
So, so here practice, let's say a casting conversation like I
like your shoes or something. OK.
So hi, so nice to meet you. So great to meet you too.
Well, I love your shirts. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Got it on sale.
I'll let you know where I got it.
Oh, I love it. OK, hold on.
(24:58):
OK, I'm ready. OK, awesome.
And also like when you came backwith like you have, you have you
have a look on your face right now that's like makes me want to
pay attention to what's about tohappen because I'm.
Focused and I'm ready. Yeah, yeah, I'm intrigued.
Like immediately, yeah. Because you're like, you're
like, Oh well, this person, thisperson is serious.
(25:21):
Yeah, exactly. You could have conversations
with people, but you don't have to like, fully engage.
Yeah. And that's so good because
you're not like being weird. You're you're being like like a
so like a normal social social, you know, you have, you have
social, you're talking then and then you're like, OK, hold on.
And that's that when you're about to audition, that is a
(25:42):
normal thing to do. Like you, you know, you were
friendly. Yeah, I think that's that was a
really good balance. Just don't engage too much.
Exactly. Yeah.
You're not buddies. Yeah, don't engage too much
because it'll pull you out of the scene.
Yeah, that's so good. Yeah, I I think professionalism
is, you know, just a little sidenote on just a side note on
(26:05):
professionalism, I've had two, two different conversation, well
11 direct conversation and one Iheard someone else on our team
heard about another conversationof 1 was one was one of my
talent who was who dropped theirmanager because their managers
are oversharing with them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(26:27):
They made the personal management becomes too personal
too. Personal and then another one
was someone someone dropped an agent because they were same
thing. It was some oversharing.
And so I think in this business,it's a people business.
And I think so, you know, as actors, this can happen to reps
(26:49):
too, as actors. Listen carefully.
And some of some of you actors have really friendly
personalities. You're very outgoing, you're
extroverted you and you've heardsomewhere that a if you, if you
know, if you're with a casting director and they they like you
as a person, they're more likelyto cast you.
(27:10):
So you try really hard. You, you go out of your way to
like be a little buddy buddy, but you've got to be really
careful with that because it's one thing to be friendly, it's
another thing to act like, to act like you're buds.
You don't want to cross the line.
You, you seriously cross the line.
My, my ex did. He won't.
(27:31):
He wanted desperately to be in aMarvel film.
And I was like, no, don't send that.
Don't send that. Don't send that.
He he sent a piece. That's the worst.
He sent a pizza and but there was no pizza in it.
There were pictures of him in each slice as this character.
(27:52):
It was so cringe. Like we broke up shortly after
that because he was so freaking cringe.
OK. Like that's why I do not date
actors. They're just too cringy.
Like if you, if you're an actor and I'm thinking you're doing
other things, like you have a business, then I'll date you.
But if you're just an actor and you're trying desperately for
(28:14):
somebody to love you, oh, Fringe.
So it was just. It's turn off of all time.
Yeah, it's like, no, send them apizza, you idiot.
Like, oh, you know, I. Mean it's just kind of.
Cursing them, hearing about. It, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, I think The thing is, is that they need to come to
(28:37):
you. You need to stop going to them.
That's OK. Let's talk about that.
What is that? What do you tell us what that
means? What does that look like?
Well, there's, there's a lot of people and I, I am, I am really
controversial because I disagreewith a lot of what people say.
One of the biggest things that people say is win the room.
(28:57):
You will win the room when the room comes to you.
See, it's not as simple as that.Say that again.
You will win the room. When the room comes to you, stop
going to the room. If you are a great actor and
doing your thing and creating the environment and the world
(29:19):
that you live in and you take meon your actor magic carpet ride,
then I will love you. I love that actor magic carpet
ride that's so good. Yeah, you could transform
somebody like if you're like thebeauty of of self tapes is it's
(29:42):
just you, you're like almost like an actor or magician.
So you're standing in front of like a, a, a screen, right.
And you transport me, yeah, intothe world that you're creating
with just you and a screen. Yeah.
It's like. Magic.
It is like like magic. Yes, yes, it is magic.
(30:03):
So if you're busy going to them and go please love me Greg, If
you keep doing that, then then they will repel.
They'll be like, EW it. Really like you did when you saw
the the the pizza thing, You're like, it was.
It was cringe city. OK, so but but if you do a bang
(30:29):
up job and you're creating this world that you live in, they'll
keep moving closer to you and gowhen are you?
Well, it's like even before you started and you, you came and
you had that like super focused look on your face.
I I was like, yeah, yeah. You move in, you're like.
Like even physically, I was like, what's gonna happen here,
(30:51):
you know? Power.
It's power. It's power, it's power and and
the only way to create that power is to stop going to people
to love you. Wow, wow.
And that starts with loving yourself.
If you love yourself, you don't.You don't.
You're not dependent on other people to to affirm that you're
(31:13):
lovable. You're not dependent on it.
Everyone needs love, but you're not dependent on determining
what your your love ability by someone else's expression or not
expression of that love. And so you're not going to start
looping after you have an audition and second guessing
yourself. And was I good?
(31:34):
Am I good enough? Am I good enough?
You are enough. That's the whole point of what
this podcast that we're doing isto get actors to a play to, to
be a part of giving information that's a part of a part of your
training so that you can feel more confident, like you have
the information that you need. And part of that information is
(31:57):
that you are enough. It doesn't mean you don't keep
growing and learning and and getting better at your craft.
Yeah, but the more you know about your enoughness.
Yeah. The more you have to give as an
artist. Yeah, 100%.
(32:18):
You're not trying to. You're not distracted by the
energy of trying to convince yourself that you're lovable and
accepted and enough. Yeah, that's a distraction.
It is a distraction. So like, be the ball, be the
ball, get into the center of it.It's like Zen in the yard of
motorcycle maintenance. I read that a long time ago, and
(32:40):
it's all about getting in this gooey center of things.
Yeah. Great philosophical book.
But that sounds so interesting. And in the art of motorcycle
maintenance. Oh my God.
I'm so fascinated I've had. Some really cool books, yeah.
Right. I don't remember that one.
Yeah. That was a good one.
(33:01):
But I, I'm saying to you guys that you know, if you're
focusing on what happened or something external outside of
who you are as a person, then you are going to suffer big time
burnout because your focus is all jacked.
Up hear that, hear that, you guys hear that?
(33:24):
That's that's real. More real talk that more facts.
Yeah, don't get all jacked up byby stuff that has nothing to do
with you or, or that has nothingto do with what it what it is
that you need to be focused on. Focus, focus, focus.
I'm positive that the person that's going down the hill for
(33:47):
going for the gold, that they'renot checking their phone.
They're not worried about the previous run.
They're worried about the run right now.
You're not checking their phone so good.
You're not going to be like. Seriously, let me think about
that. Yeah, like think about that.
They're not thinking about that.Exactly.
(34:08):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there was a woman, OK, I,
I mean, I know we have to go soon, but there was a woman that
she was going for the gold and she missed it.
She got the silver instead of the gold and she missed it by
like a like a millimeter of a second.
Yeah, wow. What entered her head to keep
(34:32):
her from the gold? What do you?
What was that something? It was something.
Something. It was something.
Sliver. She was a sliver away.
And then you guys, when you get pinned and it's between somebody
else, they got the gold, you gotthe silver.
What was in the way? You were.
(34:52):
Was in the way that's the question to be asking you don't
you don't Oh my gosh, this is sogood because this so this can
turn for most people. I've seen this over and over.
It turns into like this, like almost a crushing
disappointment. And it's like it just the wind
is knocked out and and instead of like, oh, I just got, I just
(35:15):
got the silver medal and oh, nowI get to, I now I get to figure
out what was in the way. I'm so excited because I'm going
to get that out of the way and I'm going to get the gold next.
Yeah, but most people don't do that.
No, they just stop and. They go down and they don't get
back up. Yeah.
And then it they take it into the next audition.
(35:36):
Yeah. Oh, hear this.
Yeah, I did a you. Know once she.
Posted a whole lecture on that Bobo, I think his name was Bobo,
that I had as a kid where I would just like hit it.
It went down and came back up. Did you ever see that Bobo the
clown you would like? I know then, yeah, I know then.
I don't remember what it did, but I know the clown know the
(35:57):
name of it. I don't know why I got it as a
kid. You know, my parents thought it
was aggressive or something, butI was busy punching the crap out
of that, that clown. And it just would just come back
up and come back up and come back up.
I would hit it and it would comeback up.
Well, you guys, all of you need to be Bobo.
(36:18):
If that's his name. I don't know if that's his name.
OK, baby. Is that one of our merch?
Is that one of our merch? Some very some like version of
that's not copyrighted. We can make it legal to like
that's. Whatever, I'll have a clown and
I'll be like Beep Bo. Yes, yes, seriously, that's what
you have to do. And and then but you can't.
(36:40):
But it's like if you're the windis knocked out of your sails,
you can't you can't force yourself.
You can't, you know, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps
that that is I don't think that's effective.
You have to actually have a planin place.
Like when this comes up, how am I going to turn this into
something positive? Like you have to do the work.
(37:02):
You have to be like, OK, I won the silver medal.
Why? I'm going to go back with my
coach and talk about what this is, what Olympic athletes do.
They go back with their coaches and their coaches analyze and
they're like, OK, this is what? Let's work on this.
Football teams do that. They look at the plays of other
football teams. Yep.
(37:24):
And look at the plays of their own plays of work.
What didn't work? What do they need to make work
better? Yeah, don't just walk away and
be sad like like be like awesome.
I get to figure this out and I'mand I'm getting I'm getting
closer to the gold like you. It's not you can I know there's
a lot of things that we don't. Casting doesn't give you
(37:46):
feedback. Which side note, please, you
guys get into Amy's next class that she has coming up because
you're gonna, you're gonna have the experience as if you're
getting feedback not just from acasting director, but from a
from like as if you're getting it from a producer.
Tell please tell them what you're doing.
(38:06):
Co star class but but just know I don't always do it.
This is a special one day class and so it's.
Not ongoing, you guys. This is not an ongoing class.
You don't you if you don't fit in.
Yeah, but you guys. But what I am what I am doing is
that I do have a discount on my Udemy course which will teach
(38:30):
you the 15 guidelines from your house.
But it's of course. So DM me if you want the
discount code or get into the the Saturday intensive, which
would qualify you for the masterclass.
So that's what I can offer you. And you can also get a free week
(38:50):
on the Actors toolbox.net. Love it.
Actors toolbox.net you can get your free week.
There you can get more information about the Co star
class which is not ongoing so you want to.
Yeah, you just want. To get on the list.
Get on the list to be on the next one.
But the actual toolbox, I'm coaching about 130 people on
(39:12):
there. So you really see it, but and
there's so many marketing thingson, there's a ton of stuff on
there. So good, so good.
So yeah, I think. That's how do people get in
touch with you. In case people get in touch with
me going, they can e-mail me youcanemailophelia@johnstown.com.
(39:34):
You can also DM me on Instagram.Amy, you're my manager, so
you're unofficially my manager, so.
What EA under score right? Yes, JT under score, Agent under
score Ophelia. That's right.
That's how you can get in touch with me.
You can DM me. That's also my e-mail, Yeah.
(39:57):
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