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Isabel Byon (00:00):
The New York State Office of Addiction Services and
Supports, or OASAS, providesthis podcast as a public service
.
Opinions expressed do notnecessarily reflect those of the
agency or state.
This is Addiction (00:12):
The Next Step.
Jerry Gretzinger (00:19):
Hello there, I'm Jerry Gretzinger, your host
for Addiction (00:21):
The Next Step brought to you by the New York
State Offices of AddictionServices and Supports.
Today.
We're very fortunate.
A lot of times we do some ofthese episodes and we have to
talk to people over Zoom orwhatever the other video
conferencing service might be,and that's wonderful.
But today we actually haveguests joining us in the studio
(00:41):
and it's for a great topic.
We're very fortunate to havethem here.
It's Shayne Richardson andStacie Robbins.
You're from Healing Springs, sothanks for joining us in person
here in our little studio.
Thank you for having us.
And so the reason I was sayingit's great to be able to talk to
you about this here it's animportant topic is because we're
talking about youth and HealingSprings.
You guys are based in Saratoga,correct?
Stacie Robbins (01:02):
Correct
Jerry Gretzinger (01:02):
And it's Healing Springs, and you do
something called a youthrecovery meeting and you know
young people are obviously animportant part of the population
that we like to make sure wecommunicate to.
So we love what's happeningwith your youth recovery meeting
and I want us to be able totalk about.
You know what you do, how you doit and the value it is to the
young people who go to yourprogram.
So let me just first say whateach of you does.
(01:25):
Shayne, you are a peer, right,so you help with the peer
services.
And Stacey, you're a familysupport navigator
Stacie Robbins (01:32):
Correct
Jerry Gretzinger (01:32):
And all of this happens through the
Prevention Council, correct,
Stacie Robbins (01:35):
Correct.
Jerry Gretzinger (01:35):
Yeah, so we want to make sure we give them a
little bit of love, too, formaking this happen.
But, Shayne, let me start withyou, all, right.
So we have young people, andwhen we say young people, like
what's the age range that wetypically look at here?
Shayne Richardson (01:46):
So our youth recovery meeting.
We have people from the age of14 to 17.
Jerry Gretzinger (01:54):
And so if, like, let's say, you hear
somebody who's like 13 or 18 or19, who wants information,
they're they're allowed to come,but that's the average age, or
how does it work?
Shayne Richardson (02:02):
Yeah, I mean we're not IDing at the door, um.
But yeah, I mean, if they're 13and they're really struggling
with their addiction andsubstances or alcohol, then
they're more than welcome tocome.
Um.
If they're 19, we do um haveservices at our center for
people 18 and older Um we have ahost of meetings at the center
(02:23):
and they can do one-on-onecounseling with me.
Jerry Gretzinger (02:26):
Okay, but yeah , basically anybody in those
ages they come.
They're not going to be turnedaway if they're outside of that
typical age range, they're stillgoing to be able to receive
services or information Right.
Shayne Richardson (02:37):
If they need help and they need referrals or
they need services, then we willprovide that for them,
absolutely.
Jerry Gretzinger (02:44):
That's right.
So let's talk about some ofthose services.
I said that you work as a peer,which means that you have some
lived experience, and that issuch a critical and crucial
thing to be able to share with,especially young people coming
to say hey, you know what I'mdealing with this.
What can I do?
Talk about the type of servicesand type of help that you can
provide that way.
Shayne Richardson (03:02):
So what we like to do is I basically will
educate through my livedexperiences as a person living
with addiction and now living inrecovery.
Whether that looks like youknow talking about what I've
gone through or what I'm doingto cope with my triggers or my
emotions and how I'm dealingwith those at the time and
(03:25):
basically to relate with theseyoung youth and see where I can
help them and meet them wherethey're at.
Jerry Gretzinger (03:30):
That's why we say lived experience, because
you lived exactly what they areliving now,
Shayne Richardson (03:35):
Absolutely yeah.
Jerry Gretzinger (03:36):
And so for anybody who may be listening out
there and wondering okay, well,so what sort of lived
experience are you?
Are you willing to say, hey,this is what I was, I was
working through.
Shayne Richardson (03:44):
Yeah, so I mean I started using marijuana,
cocaine at a very young age, um,and that just progressed, you
know, into alcohol use.
That progressed into, um,heroin use, um, crack cocaine
use, I mean, and then all thatbrought me to incarceration and
(04:06):
trouble with probation and justso.
Those types of livedexperiences, right, is where my
drug use and my alcohol usebrought me later in my life,
from being a teenager who wasjust going to school and having
fun with my friends, turned intosomething more severe.
Jerry Gretzinger (04:24):
Yeah, it's a little bit outside of someone's
control at a certain point.
Shayne Richardson (04:27):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Jerry Gretzinger (04:29):
So let me ask you this too, and both of you
can chime in on this one.
So if people are out therelistening to this and you know
it could be it could be a youngperson who's using some
substances and is wondering, oh,maybe I should go talk to
somebody.
It could be a parent who maybeis wondering if they're seeing
signs of substance use and whatthey should do.
So, both from a peer'sperspective and from a family
(04:51):
support navigator, what are someof those things that say a
loved one, a parent or you knowother role model type person
might look for in a young personwhere they say this might be a
time to kind of intervene ortalk to them?
Shayne Richardson (05:08):
Okay, Stacey, do you want to start?
Stacie Robbins (05:10):
Sure.
So one of the things that Ispeak to parents about is there
is some experimentation thathappens with your teens
obviously most of them anyway.
The difference is when yourteen is the one that is using
more or using more of ten.
(05:31):
It's extending beyond what therest of the group is doing.
That's when there typicallytends to be an issue where it's
gone beyond that teenageexperimentation into something
that could be a buddingsubstance use disorder.
Jerry Gretzinger (05:45):
And we know people, certainly in this age
group, they're not always themost sharing with parents as far
as information or what theiractivities are.
So parents have to really tunethemselves in, I think.
I would think.
Stacie Robbins (05:58):
Yes, definitely.
Definitely, and open lines ofcommunication is key.
Jerry Gretzinger (06:03):
Yeah, and as a peer, I mean from your own
experiences I mean any othersuggestions of what loved ones
or friends might look for.
Shayne Richardson (06:09):
Yeah, I know for me.
At a young age I startedhanging out with the wrong crowd
, right, always look at thosefriend groups, see, if I mean,
if your kid was always intosports and into going and being
active, if he kind of startsfalling off from that, obviously
look at the grades.
If he starts missing schooltime, if he starts getting in
(06:31):
trouble, sit him down and askhim hey, what's going on?
Right, I know for me.
I isolated, I stopped spendingtime with my family, I stopped
going to family events.
A lot of the shame and guiltreally ate at me.
So I know for myself, thosewere the signs that really
pointed out.
And you know family members,they see that stuff right, it's
(06:51):
just I mean hopefully Stacy cansit down and speak with them
about.
You know what to do when thishappens.
Jerry Gretzinger (06:58):
And you know, I just I want to point out again
too how important I think it isthat there are peers available,
such as yourself, who can speakto young people, because I
think a lot of times you knowI'm a parent and you try to talk
to kids sometimes and they'relike, yeah, well, you don't know
, you haven't gone through this.
Times were different when, when, when you were my age, and to
have someone who kind ofliterally walked the walk
(07:19):
they're walking right now, Ithink it makes such a huge
difference.
Shayne Richardson (07:23):
Yeah, and I mean I hope I can be that, that
sign of hope for them, that okay, yeah, this, this guy, he does
know what's going on and he haslived it before and he got from
under it and he's now talking tous and trying to help us out.
So I hope I can be a sign ofhope for these young kids.
Jerry Gretzinger (07:42):
So I just want to say again we are talking
with the folks from HealingSprings.
They do a youth recoverymeeting and, Stacey, let's talk
about a family support navigator, because we've talked a little
bit about family loved ones whomay have a young person in their
lives who may be usingsubstances and wondering, okay,
what do we do now?
And I would imagine the what dowe do now question is something
(08:04):
that you handle and work withthem through.
Stacie Robbins (08:06):
Absolutely.
Everybody that works at HealingSprings has some lived
experience.
We're all peers.
I happen to have the family aswell because I fit that criteria
, so my lived experience is thatof a family member.
I've had people in my life thathave had substance use disorder
.
I've lost some people to theirsubstances.
(08:27):
I have people that stillstruggle and I was a caregiver
for children that struggled aswell when they were youth and
I've seen the beauty of recovery.
So we use an invitation tochange model in working with
people and we teach them why thebehaviors of their loved ones
make sense.
(08:47):
We teach about how theirlanguage matters, how their
speaking to their children makesa difference, and that can
sometimes be pretty tricky whenyou're talking about a youth,
because you're their parent andtypically you're in that
position of power over them andthose are not the kinds of
communication skills that aregoing to get them to open up and
(09:08):
to listen.
So we use that invitation tochange model and we teach them
better communication skillsunderstanding, compassion and
empathy.
Jerry Gretzinger (09:18):
And you know, I think it's.
I'm glad you mentioned thatabout everybody has some kind of
lived experience because, again, for parents or other relatives
out there who might be hearingthis, it's probably helpful for
them to know that they're goingto talk with someone who has
experienced what they're dealingwith right now.
So, you can read, you know,connect with them on a whole
other level, as opposed tosomeone who maybe, you know,
(09:39):
wasn't, wasn't in that positionthemselves, correct, so?
So walk me through.
So, how, how does thistypically work?
It's Thursdays where we havethe meetings, right, and so do
you typically find that you knowfamilies come out with the
young person.
Do the young people come out bythemselves?
Is it a mixture of both?
What's the way most people getinvolved?
Shayne Richardson (09:59):
Yeah, so what I've noticed is that the
parents they will bring thechild or the youth and that's
when Stacie is there to have.
So I run the group with theyouth.
The family they can either, ifthey want, they can sit in with
the group that Stacie's runningwith the family, or they can sit
(10:19):
in their cars, or sometimes thekids they'll drive themselves
there.
But we offer that kind ofseparation right so that the
youth can have it and it's forthem, it's their time to kind of
talk about whatever it is thatthey have going on and we work
through that and the parents cando the same with Stacie.
Stacie Robbins (10:42):
Yes, and we utilize the act.
There's a lot of differentactivities within that
invitation to change and weutilize those activities to give
better perspective.
We also work sort of as asupport group as well.
A lot of the parents also havetheir own substance use disorder
and they're in recoverythemselves.
So along with that comes a lotof guilt and they're wondering
(11:05):
if this is their fault and so onand so forth.
So we talk about real lifethings that they can do to work
through that guilt and get tothat place of healing with their
children.
One of the exercises we do isacknowledging that your
substance use disorder hasimpacted your child in a
negative way and talking aboutit being open, sharing your
(11:28):
struggles as developmentallyappropriate, obviously, and
apologizing and then movingforward.
Jerry Gretzinger (11:37):
I was going to say we call it a youth recovery
meeting, but it sounds likethere's so much benefit too for
the family, the parents, theloved ones who go in with them.
Stacie Robbins (11:43):
Absolutely.
Jerry Gretzinger (11:44):
So really it reaches so many more touch
points, if you will.
And I think too, it's good forpeople to hear that if they come
in, let's say, with parents,they don't need to sit down and
try to have these conversationswith their parents listening,
because we know that youngpeople like, hey, listen, I'll
talk about it, but I don't needthem here and everything.
I say they'll be very closed offsometimes.
Shayne Richardson (12:02):
No, it definitely.
Um, if the parents were therewould definitely shut off that
line of communication between meand the youth.
We do it in separate rooms.
Everything I mean I do offer ifthe child I mean sometimes
they're not comfortable speakingamongst other youth, right, you
(12:26):
know there's that they feelembarrassed or they're not
feeling as comfortable astalking in groups.
So there is that one-on-oneconnection that I can also have
with them as well to kind ofhelp them further along, you
know.
So that they can speak freelyand speak what they want to say,
you know.
Jerry Gretzinger (12:40):
So lots of options, it sounds like, for
whatever situation someone is in, whether they're comfortable
talking in a group or need totalk individually, if they're
parents or loved ones who aren'tsure or feeling guilt.
All of these things can beworked through and discussed at
these meetings, and beyond themeetings too, I imagine.
Shayne Richardson (12:58):
Absolutely yeah.
Jerry Gretzinger (12:59):
All right.
So we said Thursday nights,tell me times, places, where and
when does it happen?
Shayne Richardson (13:04):
So Thursday nights at 5:30 pm it's not in
the Healing Springs Center, it'sin the Prevention Side Center.
So that's at 125 High Rock Ave,Saratoga Springs, New York.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:17):
Okay
Shayne Richardson (13:19):
That's it.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:20):
And every Thursday.
Shayne Richardson (13:21):
Every Thursday.
Yes.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:22):
People can just show up.
There's no need to, like youknow, go online and check in
first.
Shayne Richardson (13:26):
There's no sign up.
There's nothing like that.
Just show up and be ready totalk.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:33):
All right, and do you guys have a website or a
web presence or a Facebook orsocial media?
Stacie Robbins (13:38):
We do.
We actually have for each ofour social medias.
We have two pages.
We have the Prevention Councilpage and then we have the
Healing Springs.
So we have for Facebook it'sthe Prevention Council of
Saratoga County and HealingSprings Recovery Community and
Outreach Center.
We also have Instagram and thatwould be the Prevention Council
(14:01):
or Healing Springs Recovery.
And then we're also on LinkedIn, which is the Prevention
Council of Saratoga County orHealing Springs Recovery
Community and Outreach Center.
Jerry Gretzinger (14:10):
That's great.
So I want to thank you guys fora couple of things, one for
coming on and talking to us, buttwo for doing this because
obviously it's something thatmeans a lot to you and it means
a lot to those of us here atOASAS that you know there's
people like yourselves out theredoing this for the young people
who can certainly benefit fromthis sort of help.
So thank you so much.
Shayne Richardson (14:28):
Thank you.
Stacie Robbins (14:29):
Thank you for having us
Jerry Gretzinger (14:30):
Our pleasure.
Seriously, we love telling thesetypes of stories because we
know the help it can do.
Shayne Richardson and StacieRobbins from Healing Springs.
Thank you again, and thank youfor joining us for this episode
of Addiction (14:40):
The Next Step.
I'm Jerry Gretzinger.
Until we talk to you again, bewell.
The New York State Office of Addiction Services and
Supports, or OASAS, providesthis podcast as a public service
.
Opinions expressed do notnecessarily reflect those of the
agency or state.
This is Addiction (00:12):
The Next Step.
Jerry Gretzinger (00:19):
Hello there, I'm Jerry Gretzinger, your host
for Addiction (00:21):
The Next Step brought to you by the New York
State Offices of AddictionServices and Supports.
Today.
We're very fortunate.
A lot of times we do some ofthese episodes and we have to
talk to people over Zoom orwhatever the other video
conferencing service might be,and that's wonderful.
But today we actually haveguests joining us in the studio
(00:41):
and it's for a great topic.
We're very fortunate to havethem here.
It's Shayne Richardson andStacie Robbins.
You're from Healing Springs, sothanks for joining us in person
here in our little studio.
Thank you for having us.
And so the reason I was sayingit's great to be able to talk to
you about this here it's animportant topic is because we're
talking about youth and HealingSprings.
You guys are based in Saratoga,correct?
Stacie Robbins (01:02):
Correct
Jerry Gretzinger (01:02):
And it's Healing Springs, and you do
something called a youthrecovery meeting and you know
young people are obviously animportant part of the population
that we like to make sure wecommunicate to.
So we love what's happeningwith your youth recovery meeting
and I want us to be able totalk about.
You know what you do, how you doit and the value it is to the
young people who go to yourprogram.
So let me just first say whateach of you does.
(01:25):
Shayne, you are a peer, right,so you help with the peer
services.
And Stacey, you're a familysupport navigator
Stacie Robbins (01:32):
Correct
Jerry Gretzinger (01:32):
And all of this happens through the
Prevention Council, correct,
Stacie Robbins (01:35):
Correct.
Jerry Gretzinger (01:35):
Yeah, so we want to make sure we give them a
little bit of love, too, formaking this happen.
But, Shayne, let me start withyou, all, right.
So we have young people, andwhen we say young people, like
what's the age range that wetypically look at here?
Shayne Richardson (01:46):
So our youth recovery meeting.
We have people from the age of14 to 17.
Jerry Gretzinger (01:54):
And so if, like, let's say, you hear
somebody who's like 13 or 18 or19, who wants information,
they're they're allowed to come,but that's the average age, or
how does it work?
Shayne Richardson (02:02):
Yeah, I mean we're not IDing at the door, um.
But yeah, I mean, if they're 13and they're really struggling
with their addiction andsubstances or alcohol, then
they're more than welcome tocome.
Um.
If they're 19, we do um haveservices at our center for
people 18 and older Um we have ahost of meetings at the center
(02:23):
and they can do one-on-onecounseling with me.
Jerry Gretzinger (02:26):
Okay, but yeah , basically anybody in those
ages they come.
They're not going to be turnedaway if they're outside of that
typical age range, they're stillgoing to be able to receive
services or information Right.
Shayne Richardson (02:37):
If they need help and they need referrals or
they need services, then we willprovide that for them,
absolutely.
Jerry Gretzinger (02:44):
That's right.
So let's talk about some ofthose services.
I said that you work as a peer,which means that you have some
lived experience, and that issuch a critical and crucial
thing to be able to share with,especially young people coming
to say hey, you know what I'mdealing with this.
What can I do?
Talk about the type of servicesand type of help that you can
provide that way.
Shayne Richardson (03:02):
So what we like to do is I basically will
educate through my livedexperiences as a person living
with addiction and now living inrecovery.
Whether that looks like youknow talking about what I've
gone through or what I'm doingto cope with my triggers or my
emotions and how I'm dealingwith those at the time and
(03:25):
basically to relate with theseyoung youth and see where I can
help them and meet them wherethey're at.
Jerry Gretzinger (03:30):
That's why we say lived experience, because
you lived exactly what they areliving now,
Shayne Richardson (03:35):
Absolutely yeah.
Jerry Gretzinger (03:36):
And so for anybody who may be listening out
there and wondering okay, well,so what sort of lived
experience are you?
Are you willing to say, hey,this is what I was, I was
working through.
Shayne Richardson (03:44):
Yeah, so I mean I started using marijuana,
cocaine at a very young age, um,and that just progressed, you
know, into alcohol use.
That progressed into, um,heroin use, um, crack cocaine
use, I mean, and then all thatbrought me to incarceration and
(04:06):
trouble with probation and justso.
Those types of livedexperiences, right, is where my
drug use and my alcohol usebrought me later in my life,
from being a teenager who wasjust going to school and having
fun with my friends, turned intosomething more severe.
Jerry Gretzinger (04:24):
Yeah, it's a little bit outside of someone's
control at a certain point.
Shayne Richardson (04:27):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Jerry Gretzinger (04:29):
So let me ask you this too, and both of you
can chime in on this one.
So if people are out therelistening to this and you know
it could be it could be a youngperson who's using some
substances and is wondering, oh,maybe I should go talk to
somebody.
It could be a parent who maybeis wondering if they're seeing
signs of substance use and whatthey should do.
So, both from a peer'sperspective and from a family
(04:51):
support navigator, what are someof those things that say a
loved one, a parent or you knowother role model type person
might look for in a young personwhere they say this might be a
time to kind of intervene ortalk to them?
Shayne Richardson (05:08):
Okay, Stacey, do you want to start?
Stacie Robbins (05:10):
Sure.
So one of the things that Ispeak to parents about is there
is some experimentation thathappens with your teens
obviously most of them anyway.
The difference is when yourteen is the one that is using
more or using more of ten.
(05:31):
It's extending beyond what therest of the group is doing.
That's when there typicallytends to be an issue where it's
gone beyond that teenageexperimentation into something
that could be a buddingsubstance use disorder.
Jerry Gretzinger (05:45):
And we know people, certainly in this age
group, they're not always themost sharing with parents as far
as information or what theiractivities are.
So parents have to really tunethemselves in, I think.
I would think.
Stacie Robbins (05:58):
Yes, definitely.
Definitely, and open lines ofcommunication is key.
Jerry Gretzinger (06:03):
Yeah, and as a peer, I mean from your own
experiences I mean any othersuggestions of what loved ones
or friends might look for.
Shayne Richardson (06:09):
Yeah, I know for me.
At a young age I startedhanging out with the wrong crowd
, right, always look at thosefriend groups, see, if I mean,
if your kid was always intosports and into going and being
active, if he kind of startsfalling off from that, obviously
look at the grades.
If he starts missing schooltime, if he starts getting in
(06:31):
trouble, sit him down and askhim hey, what's going on?
Right, I know for me.
I isolated, I stopped spendingtime with my family, I stopped
going to family events.
A lot of the shame and guiltreally ate at me.
So I know for myself, thosewere the signs that really
pointed out.
And you know family members,they see that stuff right, it's
(06:51):
just I mean hopefully Stacy cansit down and speak with them
about.
You know what to do when thishappens.
Jerry Gretzinger (06:58):
And you know, I just I want to point out again
too how important I think it isthat there are peers available,
such as yourself, who can speakto young people, because I
think a lot of times you knowI'm a parent and you try to talk
to kids sometimes and they'relike, yeah, well, you don't know
, you haven't gone through this.
Times were different when, when, when you were my age, and to
have someone who kind ofliterally walked the walk
(07:19):
they're walking right now, Ithink it makes such a huge
difference.
Shayne Richardson (07:23):
Yeah, and I mean I hope I can be that, that
sign of hope for them, that okay, yeah, this, this guy, he does
know what's going on and he haslived it before and he got from
under it and he's now talking tous and trying to help us out.
So I hope I can be a sign ofhope for these young kids.
Jerry Gretzinger (07:42):
So I just want to say again we are talking
with the folks from HealingSprings.
They do a youth recoverymeeting and, Stacey, let's talk
about a family support navigator, because we've talked a little
bit about family loved ones whomay have a young person in their
lives who may be usingsubstances and wondering, okay,
what do we do now?
And I would imagine the what dowe do now question is something
(08:04):
that you handle and work withthem through.
Stacie Robbins (08:06):
Absolutely.
Everybody that works at HealingSprings has some lived
experience.
We're all peers.
I happen to have the family aswell because I fit that criteria
, so my lived experience is thatof a family member.
I've had people in my life thathave had substance use disorder
.
I've lost some people to theirsubstances.
(08:27):
I have people that stillstruggle and I was a caregiver
for children that struggled aswell when they were youth and
I've seen the beauty of recovery.
So we use an invitation tochange model in working with
people and we teach them why thebehaviors of their loved ones
make sense.
(08:47):
We teach about how theirlanguage matters, how their
speaking to their children makesa difference, and that can
sometimes be pretty tricky whenyou're talking about a youth,
because you're their parent andtypically you're in that
position of power over them andthose are not the kinds of
communication skills that aregoing to get them to open up and
(09:08):
to listen.
So we use that invitation tochange model and we teach them
better communication skillsunderstanding, compassion and
empathy.
Jerry Gretzinger (09:18):
And you know, I think it's.
I'm glad you mentioned thatabout everybody has some kind of
lived experience because, again, for parents or other relatives
out there who might be hearingthis, it's probably helpful for
them to know that they're goingto talk with someone who has
experienced what they're dealingwith right now.
So, you can read, you know,connect with them on a whole
other level, as opposed tosomeone who maybe, you know,
(09:39):
wasn't, wasn't in that positionthemselves, correct, so?
So walk me through.
So, how, how does thistypically work?
It's Thursdays where we havethe meetings, right, and so do
you typically find that you knowfamilies come out with the
young person.
Do the young people come out bythemselves?
Is it a mixture of both?
What's the way most people getinvolved?
Shayne Richardson (09:59):
Yeah, so what I've noticed is that the
parents they will bring thechild or the youth and that's
when Stacie is there to have.
So I run the group with theyouth.
The family they can either, ifthey want, they can sit in with
the group that Stacie's runningwith the family, or they can sit
(10:19):
in their cars, or sometimes thekids they'll drive themselves
there.
But we offer that kind ofseparation right so that the
youth can have it and it's forthem, it's their time to kind of
talk about whatever it is thatthey have going on and we work
through that and the parents cando the same with Stacie.
Stacie Robbins (10:42):
Yes, and we utilize the act.
There's a lot of differentactivities within that
invitation to change and weutilize those activities to give
better perspective.
We also work sort of as asupport group as well.
A lot of the parents also havetheir own substance use disorder
and they're in recoverythemselves.
So along with that comes a lotof guilt and they're wondering
(11:05):
if this is their fault and so onand so forth.
So we talk about real lifethings that they can do to work
through that guilt and get tothat place of healing with their
children.
One of the exercises we do isacknowledging that your
substance use disorder hasimpacted your child in a
negative way and talking aboutit being open, sharing your
(11:28):
struggles as developmentallyappropriate, obviously, and
apologizing and then movingforward.
Jerry Gretzinger (11:37):
I was going to say we call it a youth recovery
meeting, but it sounds likethere's so much benefit too for
the family, the parents, theloved ones who go in with them.
Stacie Robbins (11:43):
Absolutely.
Jerry Gretzinger (11:44):
So really it reaches so many more touch
points, if you will.
And I think too, it's good forpeople to hear that if they come
in, let's say, with parents,they don't need to sit down and
try to have these conversationswith their parents listening,
because we know that youngpeople like, hey, listen, I'll
talk about it, but I don't needthem here and everything.
I say they'll be very closed offsometimes.
Shayne Richardson (12:02):
No, it definitely.
Um, if the parents were therewould definitely shut off that
line of communication between meand the youth.
We do it in separate rooms.
Everything I mean I do offer ifthe child I mean sometimes
they're not comfortable speakingamongst other youth, right, you
(12:26):
know there's that they feelembarrassed or they're not
feeling as comfortable astalking in groups.
So there is that one-on-oneconnection that I can also have
with them as well to kind ofhelp them further along, you
know.
So that they can speak freelyand speak what they want to say,
you know.
Jerry Gretzinger (12:40):
So lots of options, it sounds like, for
whatever situation someone is in, whether they're comfortable
talking in a group or need totalk individually, if they're
parents or loved ones who aren'tsure or feeling guilt.
All of these things can beworked through and discussed at
these meetings, and beyond themeetings too, I imagine.
Shayne Richardson (12:58):
Absolutely yeah.
Jerry Gretzinger (12:59):
All right.
So we said Thursday nights,tell me times, places, where and
when does it happen?
Shayne Richardson (13:04):
So Thursday nights at 5:30 pm it's not in
the Healing Springs Center, it'sin the Prevention Side Center.
So that's at 125 High Rock Ave,Saratoga Springs, New York.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:17):
Okay
Shayne Richardson (13:19):
That's it.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:20):
And every Thursday.
Shayne Richardson (13:21):
Every Thursday.
Yes.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:22):
People can just show up.
There's no need to, like youknow, go online and check in
first.
Shayne Richardson (13:26):
There's no sign up.
There's nothing like that.
Just show up and be ready totalk.
Jerry Gretzinger (13:33):
All right, and do you guys have a website or a
web presence or a Facebook orsocial media?
Stacie Robbins (13:38):
We do.
We actually have for each ofour social medias.
We have two pages.
We have the Prevention Councilpage and then we have the
Healing Springs.
So we have for Facebook it'sthe Prevention Council of
Saratoga County and HealingSprings Recovery Community and
Outreach Center.
We also have Instagram and thatwould be the Prevention Council
(14:01):
or Healing Springs Recovery.
And then we're also on LinkedIn, which is the Prevention
Council of Saratoga County orHealing Springs Recovery
Community and Outreach Center.
Jerry Gretzinger (14:10):
That's great.
So I want to thank you guys fora couple of things, one for
coming on and talking to us, buttwo for doing this because
obviously it's something thatmeans a lot to you and it means
a lot to those of us here atOASAS that you know there's
people like yourselves out theredoing this for the young people
who can certainly benefit fromthis sort of help.
So thank you so much.
Shayne Richardson (14:28):
Thank you.
Stacie Robbins (14:29):
Thank you for having us
Jerry Gretzinger (14:30):
Our pleasure.
Seriously, we love telling thesetypes of stories because we
know the help it can do.
Shayne Richardson and StacieRobbins from Healing Springs.
Thank you again, and thank youfor joining us for this episode
of Addiction (14:40):
The Next Step.
I'm Jerry Gretzinger.
Until we talk to you again, bewell.
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