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Isabel Byon (00:00):
The New York State Office of Addiction Services and
Supports, or OASAS, providesthis podcast as a public service
.
Opinions expressed do notnecessarily reflect those of the
agency or state.

This is Addiction (00:10):
The Next Step.

Jerry Gretzinger (00:22):
Hey everybody, Jerry Gretzinger, your host for

Addiction (00:24):
the Next Step, and we are coming to you today from
Elmira, New York, because we aredoing one of our things where
we're on location and this isexciting for us.
We look forward to these typesof things.
Today we are visiting ourfriends at CASA- Trinity and
again, we're out here in Elmiraand a lot of good work being
done by CASA- Trinity and I'mhappy to sit down with Aaron
Doyle and Emily Sindoni.

(00:45):
The two of you do some greatwork that we're going to profile
today, and I know we are in aclubhouse, right?
So we've got the downstairshere, which works with adults,
and upstairs like a youthclubhouse area, and I know it
goes by the name AIR.
Okay, so I'm going to say thatmuch and now I'm going to turn

(01:06):
it over to both of you to tellus about the clubhouse and what
this AIR program is and how it'shelping people who need these
types of services.

Emily Sindoni (01:10):
Sure.
So I will speak to the AIRprogram, the adult program.
So AIR stands for Adventures inRecovery and it's pretty much
exactly that.
It's about finding adventureand trying new things and
building your recovery supportnetwork.
And so what we are?
We're a sober, active recoverycommunity organization and it's

(01:31):
a peer program built by peersfor peers and their families.
We utilize the community'sskills, talents, hobbies and
kind of highlight that and helpthem facilitate groups so that
way they can find their tribeand find their recovery path.

Jerry Gretzinger (01:49):
And so, as you mentioned, the downstairs, here
is one setup and I'm lookingyou can't see it right now but
there's a whole gym set up overhere that adults get to use.
And we were at a hotel and Isaid, wow, this gym here is nice
and they're at the head of thehotel.

Emily Sindoni (02:01):
Really it's great .

Jerry Gretzinger (02:02):
It's a nice opportunity for the people to
come out and be able to utilizethat, and then upstairs is such
a nice space for young people alittle bit different there as
well.

Erin Doyle (02:10):
Yeah.
So the Air Youth Clubhouse isfor 12 to 17-year-olds in
Chemung County and we providesober, safe socialization for
those youth and skill building.
So a lot of the youth that cometo the clubhouse are high risk
just by virtue of the areas ofthe city that they come to.
You know from the schools theyattend and then their family and

(02:32):
socioeconomic situations.
So the goal of the youthclubhouse is to try to
ameliorate those risks for them,build in some protective
factors and really give them alot of supports working with the
adults upstairs.

Jerry Gretzinger (02:48):
All right.
So I mean, let's, if you canbreak it down for me, you know,
between the upstairs, thedownstairs, the youth to the
adults, who are the folks thatare coming out here and saying,
you know, I could benefit frombeing involved with something
like this.
And how do they get started?
Are they referred?
Do they your services out there?
Are they word of mouth?
I mean, how does all thathappen?

Emily Sindoni (03:06):
Sure, For the adult program, we see just about
everyone.
They can just walk in.
We have a drop-in communitycenter as we're here, but they
can also find us online and joinus at one of our weekend events
, because throughout the week wehave a variety of mutual
support meetings and then on theweekends we do an outdoor
adventure.
So really you can find us justabout anywhere, no referrals

(03:27):
necessary.
The only requirement is 48hours of continuous sobriety and
that's just to make sure thatthey're in a safe and stable
position in order to attend ourphysical events and just to
maintain a safe space foreveryone.
So, yeah, they can pretty muchjust walk in and we introduce
ourselves and get them signed upfor the program.
But we see just about everybodyall walks of life through the

(03:49):
store.

Jerry Gretzinger (03:50):
And when you say 48 hours of sobriety, that's
before they commence a program.
They come in and start.

Emily Sindoni (03:55):
For the most part , if somebody is struggling,
we're peers on staff here, so ifthey're seeking support, we're
able to connect them to anyresources that they may need.
It's just more so for thephysical events.
We just want to make sureeverybody's safe.
But yeah, we've been there sowe can help them through just
about anything.

Jerry Gretzinger (04:14):
And so I want to ask you that too.
So you mentioned adventures.
Right, we do weekend adventures.
Some people might be likewhat's a weekend adventure?
What does that mean?

Emily Sindoni (04:21):
Yeah, so just about anything.
Mostly we're hiking.
We hike all around New YorkState.
We're doing the Adirondacks inJune.
We go camping, biking,adventures, kayaking and then
some indoor events like rockclimbing or bowling, roller
skating.
Really we we really hone in onwhat the community wants.

(04:44):
So if there is something thatis suggested and we're able to
facilitate that, we do it.
But yeah, mostly outdoors andall through the wintertime too.

Jerry Gretzinger (04:54):
Yeah Well, what would a great part of the
state to be able to, you know,utilize the outdoors too right?

Emily Sindoni (04:58):
Yes.

Jerry Gretzinger (04:58):
I mean a lot of options.

Emily Sindoni (04:59):
We're very fortunate.

Jerry Gretzinger (05:00):
Yeah, all right.
So we talk about the adventures, and I know a lot of the adults
might be involved with some ofthose hikes and stuff like that.
Let's talk about what the youthdo upstairs and the options for
them.

Erin Doyle (05:14):
All right.
So upstairs we have laid outjust about everything that
probably a teenager could wantin terms of activities.
Gaming stations, which are verypopular.
They have an Oculus VR, againvery popular.
Have to limit time on all ofthose for them.
And then we have pool table, wehave foosball, we have air
hockey, we have arts and crafts,we have games, we have books.
So we have a variety andlounging areas up there so that

(05:36):
they can kind of, because theycome to us after school.
lot of them are pretty muchtuckered out by the time they
get to us so it gives them anopportunity to kind of chill out
, be with friends.
They get snack, you know twosnacks and then a hot snack
during the time they're with us.
Then we do off sites for themas well in the community to try
to expose them to things thatthey might not otherwise be

(05:56):
exposed to.
So they go to places likeCommunity Arts during the summer
, which is coming, we go to theMeals on Wheels site locally and
we do gardening over there.
They invited us to do that lastyear and that was a great
experience.
The youth love doing that.
They do a lot of the samethings hikes, walks, usually one
amusement park during thesummer, one big trip, and they
have to earn that ability to gothrough behavior and through

(06:19):
participation, attendance, thosetypes of things.

Jerry Gretzinger (06:22):
So I know we talked to you about the adults
and the required of 48 hours ofsobriety before going on some of
those adventures.
The youth who get involved inthe program where are they in
the scheme of things as far aswhen it comes to substance use
and the message you try to sharewith them?

Erin Doyle (06:37):
So obviously, because we are funded through
OASAS, we do work with themaround substance use, but not
more in general terms in talkingabout the dangers and the
hazards and the risks.
Sometimes we have had youthcome that were you know that
might have things in a backpackor something along those lines
but we do let them know it's azero tolerance policy here.

(06:59):
Do not bring those things tothe clubhouse if you're going to
participate with us.
But we do work with them.
If we find out that they arestruggling in some way with some
type of use whether it'salcohol, whether it's cannabis
or nicotine, whatever it mightbe, vaping, we do work with them
around that and try to planindividual interventions to help
them deal with those things.
And staff are trained in usingthings like teen ravines so that

(07:21):
they're able to sit down withthem and establish that
relationship and then hopefullywork them through whatever might
be going on.

Jerry Gretzinger (07:27):
And so that's my next question.
So I'm sure a lot of whathappens.
It helps to drive preventionwith the young people so that
they can avoid the incidence ofgoing out and participating in
substance use.
Do you find many that haveexperimented and have utilized
it and have said, okay, I wantsomething to replace that in my
life, and maybe that's whythey're here.

Erin Doyle (07:49):
They don't typically say that directly, but our
guess is, in working with a lotof them, that they are using or
experimenting outside of here.
So anything that we can do tohelp change their minds about
that, to help them understandthe risks, to help them make
better choices for themselvesand their health and wellness as
they grow talking about thingslike brain development, talking

(08:12):
about peer pressure, talkingabout why you don't want to go
down that road and what that canmean for you in coming years.
So, we do a lot of that.
It's more peripheral to what wedo, but it's there.
It's obviously built into it.

Jerry Gretzinger (08:28):
Well, it's great to have a program that
speaks to that age group, right?
Can bring them in early, whilethey're young, and if they are
experimenting or they are using,at least they have this, this
positive place to go, this safespace.

Erin Doyle (08:40):
Right and an adult that really can build resilience
in them.
We had a.
We had a youth engagementtraining yesterday and one of
the trainers main points wastalking about how you need to.
It just takes one adult workingwith a youth who's struggling
to build resilience and to helpthem avoid a lot of these
pitfalls that are out there.

Jerry Gretzinger (09:01):
And so when we talk about the programs and how
long people are involved in it,when you see the adults come
down, right, so how long do youfeel like most people are
involved?
Or, once they're in, do youfeel like they're in for good
and they come out and they'reout on the weekends doing the
adventures, or is there acertain amount of time that
people seem to put in and thenthey're like, hey, you know what
, I'm good, I got other thingsI'm ready to go do now.

Emily Sindoni (09:23):
I think it just varies.
Yeah, usually, if we can getthem on a weekend hike and they
get to experience the magic,they're hooked.
It might take a few visits forthem to get comfortable here,
but I have a few guys once theystarted using the gym they come
pretty consistently, which isreally great.

(09:44):
So it all just depends, butusually the weekend events is
where the magic happens.

Jerry Gretzinger (09:50):
And I know we say that recovery is not a
destination, right, it's ajourney that just continues.
So to have this alwaysavailable to them, I think, is a
huge benefit as well, and thekids.
The age range for the youthgoes from.

Erin Doyle (10:02):
12 to 17.
And at 17, do you have some ofthem come back when they're 18,
19 going?
Can I use that VR thing?
We would love to develop more of the older youth
into a leadership or mentoringrole where they come back and
they work with the younger youththat are here.
So that's something that'sdefinitely a goal.
A lot of times after they leaveus, obviously, they go on to

(10:25):
work or onto the military oronto college, and so we don't
necessarily see them.
But we would love to cultivatethat and have more of them come
back and say hey, can I justvolunteer to work with the youth
?
I remember being in theclubhouse and what an experience
it was for me.
So that was something we'dreally like to do and we'd like
to actually we've talked alittle bit about doing some
joint summer events, maybe acamping outing or something I

(10:48):
don't know how we would set thatup, but something with the
adults so that they can kind ofexperience what the adults do
here and yeah, Invite familymembers, whatever might work,
Well, maybe those will be ournext podcast topics that we're
out here talking about.
Yeah, meet, us in theAdirondacks and we'll tell you
how it's going.

Jerry Gretzinger (11:04):
Yeah, you can join you for one of those
adventures and see how the magichappens, right, yeah, exactly,
all right so let's do this.
Why don't we let people know ifthey're interested in finding
out more what they need to do?

Emily Sindoni (11:14):
Sure, so they can go to our website.
That's where all of our formsare.
They can be found and filledout.
It's www.
casa-trinity.
org.
They can find us on Facebook.
Our tag is at air adventures inrecovery and for the clubhouse

(11:36):
it is yes, I do not.
I believe it's at air?
Yes, Chemung youth clubhouse.

Erin Doyle (11:42):
I believe so.

Jerry Gretzinger (11:43):
Great, great, lots of options for people to
look into.
Yeah, and you know, as as weget ready to close, here too, I
just want to mention I know someof the dollars that are
supporting the recovery programcome from the Opioid Settlement
Fund and a lot of times peoplewant to know okay, what's the
money going towards?
What sort of impact is ithaving?
Is it the right way to spendthe money?
People ask that questionspecifically, let's say, about

(12:04):
this program.
How do you answer whatSo, we've you say so?

Emily Sindoni (12:08):
We've been able to build everything that you see
here.
You know we do have a gym, wehave a library, we have just a
safe space for people to comeand hang out and it's
comfortable and it's peaceful.
So we've been able to buildthat and it.
You know we're able to havestaff and peer supports here to
support the community and itpays for our events.

(12:28):
All of our events are free.
You know, if we have somebodythat wants to go hiking or
camping, and it pays for ourevents, all of our events are
free.
You know, if we have somebodythat wants to go hiking or
camping and it's their firsttime and they don't have the
equipment which, honestly, mostof our members don't necessarily
have the proper equipment we'reable to provide that for them
so they're able to still go onthe adventure and and still
experience that.
So I would say it's well worthit.
Our numbers just keepincreasing every single month

(12:52):
and people keep coming back andit's if they were to experience
and see the magic of anindividual that comes in and
they're struggling, and to watchthem progress with the help of
treatment, with the help of therecovery services.
It's well worth it.
They would see that for sure.

Jerry Gretzinger (13:11):
And you know it's interesting, as you were
saying, you keep seeing yournumbers increasing right.
I just think about how we keeptalking, about how we see the
number of overdose deaths in thestate decreasing, even across
the nation.
So there's, an obvious, tiethere you know the more that
people are involved in programslike these, we're seeing that
play out in more people, youknow, not overdosing, not
experiencing an overdose deathcertainly.
So, yeah, I would agree.

(13:32):
It's a good investment of thosedollars.

Erin Doyle (13:34):
For sure.

Jerry Gretzinger (13:35):
Emily, Erin, t hank you both so much for
sitting down and chatting withus today on the podcast.
We appreciate it and we'll haveyou back when those new
programs are ready to roll.

Emily Sindoni (13:41):
Of course.

Erin Doyle (13:41):
Great.
Thank you.

Jerry Gretzinger (13:42):
Thank you, ladies, so much.
And hey, thank you for joiningus for this edition of

Addiction (13:47):
The Next Step.
I'm your host, Jerry Gretzinger, and until we see you next time
, remember you can always reachout to the HOPEl ine
877-8-HOPE-NY, and you can go tooasas.
ny.
gov and search out all theservices and supports that are
available throughout the greatstate of New York.
Until next time, be well.
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