November 1, 2024 • 34 mins
What if AI could be the secret weapon for managing ADHD? Join me, Zac Erickson, as I have an entruiging conversation with a robot! Along with my AI guest, ChatGPT, we explore this fascinating question in our latest episode of ADHD Real Talk. Discover how large language models like ChatGPT are becoming allies in tackling executive functioning challenges, offering practical support in organizing tasks and thoughts. With the help of major tech players like Apple, Google, and OpenAI, AI is woven into our daily lives, yet it's not without its quirks and concerns. We dive into the realities of AI's limitations, including the fears of job replacement and the unpredictability of AI outputs. Plus, catch an experimental segment with a special guest, where we put AI to the test in real-time.
In the second half of our discussion, we shift focus to the delicate balance between AI assistance and human connection, especially in a world dominated by technology. Learn how to integrate AI tools into your daily routine to support organization and time management without overshadowing genuine human interactions. We'll share practical tips for getting started with AI, highlight its strengths in brainstorming and organizing, and emphasize responsible use. Stick around for a special resource I've prepared just for you, accessible in the show notes—a step toward empowering you to harness AI effectively, while keeping the human touch alive.
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Zac (00:00):
Hello, this is Zac Erickson , registered psychologist, and
you are listening to anotherepisode of ADHD Real Talk.
I'm really excited about ourpodcast today we are going to be
.
You can tell from the title ofthis episode we're going to be
talking about artificialintelligence.
Specifically, what we're goingto be talking about is tools
that are referred to as largelanguage models, which is a form
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of AI, and it's somethingthat's been around for a little
bit, but one of the things thatthe one of the reasons I'm so
excited about today's episodeand stick around for the end uh,
I actually have a tool that isgoing to, you know, a free
resource that you're going to beable to download here.
So, uh, you know, stick aroundto the to the end of the episode
here, and I have put somethingtogether for you.
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Or, of course, you can checkout the show notes over at
rechargepsychologycom and checkout the resources here, because
I'm actually really excitedabout it.
So today, in fact, we're alsogoing to have a guest on in just
a few minutes who's going tohelp us, and it's going to be a
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little bit of an experiment, uh,but I I'm excited.
So, before we get too far intothis, I want to clarify a couple
of things.
Ai is something that has beenaround for a while now.
Uh and I am recording this inOctober 2024.
Uh, there are currently uhcompanies out there Apple,
google, open AI, lots ofdifferent companies out there
that are currently continuing towork on different AI products,
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incorporating them into thingslike our laptops and our phones,
and on the on websites and apps.
This is a very quicklydeveloping field and I'm sure
I'm going to miss stuff, so Ithink that this is something.
If you have resources that youwant to send my way, uh, hit me
up on social media.
At recharge psych, that'srecharge P, s, y, c, h, uh and
(01:57):
uh, you can find me on like,instagram or Twitter X, whatever
they what they call it nowadays.
Right, right, I'm interested toknow, like are there any
particular AI tools that youfind are helpful for ADHD?
But today we're just going tocover a few of the basics and
we're going to have a quickconversation about it to
introduce you to the concept.
But one of the things to keepin mind is that this is a very
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quickly developing field andthings might be different by the
time you're listening to this.
This is something that, if youknow my audience is interested
in this topic.
We will cover it again in thefuture.
In fact, we might revisit it,like frequently, but I think
that this is something that, forme, I am very interested and
excited about this.
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I have been following AI for atleast a few years now, at this
point AI for at least a fewyears now, at this point, uh,
and there's always this sort ofidea of, oh, yeah, like one day,
computers are gonna, you know,I don't know be able to help us
with things, and sometimes itcan bring up a lot of fear.
In fact, even thinking aboutreleasing this episode and
talking about this and andthinking about, uh, the resource
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that I, that I've put togetherfor you, for you guys, I'll be
honest, there's a certain amountof like, oh, is AI going to,
like, replace my job?
Like you know they're going tobe like robot therapists and
stuff like that and, to behonest with you, I feel like to
answer that question head on.
If that ever does become thecase which I don't know, maybe
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you know who knows Like I,that's a me problem and I think
that, ultimately, my long-termgoal is that I am creating
things for you that are valuable, and if that means I have to
shift gears or something downthe road, like whatever, right.
Like, my goal is that this ishelpful for you and that it's
helpful for me and forward hointo the future, right.
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Um, maybe that's that'ssomething we can ask our guests
in a minute.
But one of the things that'sinteresting is that this is
something again, ai is somethingthat there is so powerful
already, in the same way thatany kind of technology is, that
we can help lower the barrier toentry and so on.
So I want to get into theconversation actually with our
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guest, because I think he'sgoing to help us be able to
define some of this stuff alittle bit better and understand
it, and so this is somethingthat's going to be really
interesting.
So, before I bring him in, I amactually going to be using I
currently am going to bebringing in a robot into our
podcast for this episode.
(04:22):
Okay, talking about AI I amcurrently using again just for
the record, I am going to beusing open AIs.
I believe it's running off theGPT 4.0 model, which is a large
language model.
We'll kind of have himintroduce himself.
I think it'll be interesting.
But what you'll notice rightaway now is a version of chat
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gpt that I am paying, uh, youknow, for their pro model, for
their latest features.
I use it for multiple things inmy business and so this is
something that is a paid featureof chat gpt, I believe, to do
the, the advanced um, actuallyhave a conversation with him.
This is going be.
I'm going to record it in realtime, and so you are going to be
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hearing this conversationexactly the way that, uh, that
it plays out.
I'm going to I'm not going toedit anything out so you can
imagine what this is actuallygoing to be like and how helpful
this could be for you uh, in aconversation, uh, or, or, to be
able to, for example, getunstuck, uh, or, you know,
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trying to troubleshoot differentADHD symptoms, or, or whatever
it is right, or anything elsegoing on in your life, frankly,
um, a little bit of a heads upto AI gets weird Sometimes.
Sometimes it's wrong.
Uh, never take, never make anybig decisions in your life based
on solely what AI has said.
Uh, and that that's one of thethings that that I think is
(05:48):
important, so I'm going to bringthem in and we're just going to
go with where this goes.
Hello, chat GPT, can you hearme?
Okay?
ChatGPT (05:59):
Loud and clear.
Zac, how can I help today?
Zac (06:02):
Hi, just to let you know you are live.
I'm sitting here recording anepisode of the ADHD Real Talk
podcast and our episode today isall about ADHD and how AI and
chat, gpt type LLMs or likelarge language models how they
can be helpful for people withADHD.
ChatGPT (06:28):
Fantastic, I'm excited to be part of this discussion.
Where would you like to start?
Zac (06:31):
Yeah, so I was wondering if maybe you could give us a
little bit of a description ofwhat a large language model like
ChatGPT is and how it works.
ChatGPT (06:41):
Sure thing.
A large language model, or LLMM, like ChatGPT, is a type of
artificial intelligence trainedto understand and generate
human-like text.
It works by analysing vastamounts of text data from books,
articles, websites and more,learning the patterns, grammar
and context of language.
When you input a question orprompt, it uses what it has
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learned to generate a coherentresponse predicting what comes
next in a sequence of words.
It's like an advancedautocomplete, but with a much
deeper understanding of languagenuances.
Zac (07:17):
Interesting.
So are you telling me that whatyou just told me was basically
the result of a really advancedautocomplete?
Is that fair to say?
ChatGPT (07:27):
Yes, that's a pretty good way to put it.
Think of it as autocomplete onsteroids, but instead of just
finishing your sentences, itgenerates responses based on
patterns and information it haslearned, aiming to provide
useful, relevant and coherentanswers.
It's not just about predictingthe next word.
It's about understandingcontext and meaning to create
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complete thoughts.
Zac (07:52):
Wow, okay, that's really interesting.
So one of the first thingsagain, this is the ADHD Real
Talk podcast, and my goalthroughout all of this is really
to talk about how you know,like my audience is primarily
like adults with ADHD or theirloved ones and things like that.
What would you say is like agood place to start in terms of
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understanding the impact that AIcan have on the lives of people
with ADHD?
ChatGPT (08:28):
people with ADHD.
A great starting point isrecognizing how AI tools like
ChatGPT can help with commonADHD challenges.
For example, managing time andtasks can be tough for those
with ADHD.
Ai can assist by providingreminders, helping prioritize
tasks and offering structurethrough suggested schedules.
Additionally, ai can be avaluable brainstorming partner,
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helping generate ideas oroffering different perspectives,
which can be incredibly helpfulwhen ADHD minds are buzzing
with thoughts.
Zac (08:57):
Absolutely.
I'll say that one of the waysthat I personally have used AI
for working with ADHD is that alot of times I feel like I've
got a million different thoughtsand uh things that I've got to
get done and I again, using theinterface that you and I are
using right now, like talkingthrough things, I will often
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almost like I'm having a callwith uh like an assistant or
something like that.
I will just sort of use asounding board or AI as a
sounding board and talk throughsome things and the AI will sort
of help me prioritize and breaksome stuff down.
And you know, people with ADHDoften have a lot of difficulty
with executive functioning,which is, uh, one of the things
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that, in fact, maybe you cangive us a definition in a second
, but, uh, you know, talkingthrough that sort of stuff is
really, really helpful for me.
ChatGPT (09:49):
So yeah, I don't know.
Zac (09:50):
What are your thoughts on that?
ChatGPT (10:05):
executive functioning, which, as you mentioned, is
often a challenge for those withADHD.
Executive functioning refers toa set of mental skills that
include working memory, flexiblethinking and self-control.
These skills are crucial formanaging time, organizing tasks
and making decisions.
By acting as a sounding board,ai can help you clarify your
thoughts, break down complextasks and prioritize actions,
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making it easier to navigatedaily challenges.
This can be a game changer foradults with ADHD.
Zac (10:37):
Amazing, yeah, in fact, one of the things that's cool too
is that you can kind of go backand forth with different threads
and things like that in ChatGPT, back and forth with different
threads and things like that in,uh, in chat GPT, uh, or again,
we're talking about chat GPT,but there's like Google Gemini,
microsoft co-pilot, there's lotsof other ones, um, and you know
, you kind of find the one thatfits what you're looking for.
But I think that ultimately youcan have a conversation like
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that but then afterwards go intothe like chat log for lack of a
better term and say, hey, canyou help?
Uh, can you give me a, anaction item list, given the
conversation that we talkedabout?
Uh, and or like a summary ofthe conversation, or things like
that is really, really helpfulfor that too.
So I can just kind of like wordvomit to the, the AI, and then
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it will automatically give you alike a big outline there
afterwards.
So it's very, very cool.
ChatGPT (11:32):
Absolutely.
Being able to review pastconversations for action items
or summaries is a game changer,especially when managing
multiple tasks or projects.
It's like having a personalassistant to help organize your
thoughts and keep track of yourideas.
Plus, with various AI toolsavailable, you can find one that
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best suits your needs andpreferences, making the
integration into your routineeven smoother.
Zac (12:01):
Amazing, so real quick.
I'm imagining that there arepeople at home here who are a
little bit cautious or skeptical.
Let's talk a little bit aboutlimitations for something uh,
for like something like chat,gbt or like ai.
Where are we currently with thetechnology?
Uh, for example, I know like aiat least the ones that I'm
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using like the base level, ifwe're keeping it approachable.
It's not like the ai currentlycan like set appointments for me
or things like that, although Iknow that that's stuff like
apple's working on for down theroad.
Uh, if you're like an iPhoneuser.
But like, what are the currentlimitations and things that
people should do to keep theirexpectations in check, but also
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to know what's possible?
ChatGPT (12:49):
Great question.
It's important to understandwhere AI currently stands.
One key limitation is that AImodels like ChatGPT don't have
real-time awareness or access tocurrent information unless
explicitly updated with it.
So, for example, it wouldn'tknow about recent news or
updates beyond its last trainingdata, which, for me, is up
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until October 2023.
Also, while AI can helporganize thoughts and provide
information, it's not capable ofperforming tasks like setting
appointments or directlyinteracting with other apps on
your behalf.
It's more of a guide orassistant for organizing
information rather than takingdirect actions.
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When using AI, it's crucial toremember that it's not
infallible.
It can occasionally provideincorrect or misleading
information, so it's always agood idea to verify important
details and use it as asupplementary tool rather than
the sole source of truth.
Zac (13:52):
Amazing.
Yeah, that's really good advice.
The way that I think about itis that you can talk to it.
It's very helpful for sort ofgetting unstuck right, for
example, like I have to do myassignment and I really don't
want to help me get started orsomething like that right, but
you wouldn't want to go to itfor again.
ChatGPT (14:12):
like you said, like any sort of you wouldn't want to go
to it for again, like you said,like any sort of don't make any
big life decisions based solelyon what AI tells you at this
point.
Right, exactly.
Ai shines when it comes tohelping you get unstuck,
brainstorming or breaking downtasks into manageable steps.
It's like having a thoughtpartner to guide you through the
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process.
But for major decisions orcritical information, it's
essential to combine AIsuggestions with your own
judgment and other reliablesources.
It's a helpful tool in yourtoolbox, but shouldn't replace
comprehensive research andpersonal discernment.
Zac (14:54):
What is it that causes just ?
This is more of like a personalcuriosity.
What is it?
Can you explain, just like inlay terms, what causes AI to say
things that are not true?
I know some people use the wordhallucinations, which maybe
sounds weird, but like what isit that happens and how can
people kind of catch it in?
(15:16):
Uh, you know, an untruth orsomething like that?
ChatGPT (15:21):
Sure, let's break it down.
Ai hallucinations occur when amodel like chat GPT generates
information that's incorrect ornonsensical.
This happens because the AIdoesn't understand information
like humans do.
It generates responses based onpatterns it learned during
training.
Here's why it happens.
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1.
Pattern recognition the AIpredicts the next word in a
sentence based on patterns.
If it hasn't seen certaininformation often, or if it's
complex, it might generateincorrect responses.
2.
Lack of real understanding AIdoesn't have knowledge or
beliefs.
It doesn't know things in theway humans do.
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It generates text that seemsplausible based on its training,
but it doesn't understand thecontent.
Bias and gaps in training dataAI models learn from the data
they're trained on.
If the data contains biases oris missing certain facts, the AI
might reflect those biases orlack information.
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Verify important information.
Always double-check facts,especially if they're critical.
Use multiple sources.
Don't rely solely on AI forimportant decisions.
Cross-reference with oh.
You kind of cut out there.
You know what.
Zac (16:51):
I think we get the idea, though, you know.
What's interesting, though, isthat what I'm hearing, too, is
that there are certain caseswhere you don't need specific
information, and AI is actuallyreally good at helping, for
example, troubleshoot what mayor may not be helpful in a
certain situation.
Right, like let's use theexample earlier of like oh, I'm
having a hard time gettingstarted on an assignment and I'm
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feeling stuck, like timegetting started on an assignment
, and I'm feeling stuck Likewhat would you?
ChatGPT (17:18):
say to that person if that was the prompt?
Absolutely.
In those cases, ai can be superhelpful.
If someone is feeling stuck onan assignment, I'd suggest
starting by breaking down thetask into smaller, more
manageable steps.
We could brainstorm the mainobjectives of the assignment and
then outline smaller tasks orsections to focus on one at a
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time.
I'd encourage setting a timerfor short bursts of focused work
followed by a quick break tomaintain momentum without
feeling overwhelmed.
And if they're reallystruggling to begin, we could
explore what part of theassignment feels most daunting
and tackle that first with somecreative problem solving.
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It's all about finding smallwins to build confidence and get
the ball rolling.
Zac (18:08):
And I imagine too, if the person then is thinking like, oh
well, I don't know, but I feelreally overwhelmed still, like I
imagine you could even get intosome of the some of their maybe
anxieties around failure or,you know, looking stupid or like
things like that right, likewhat would you do in that
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situation?
ChatGPT (18:33):
Absolutely.
Addressing those anxieties iscrucial.
If someone feels overwhelmed byfear of failure or looking
foolish, it's helpful to remindthem that everyone experiences
setbacks and that makingmistakes is a natural part of
learning.
We could explore those fears,perhaps using some cognitive
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behavioral techniques tochallenge and reframe negative
thoughts.
For instance, asking what's theworst that could happen and how
likely is that can help putfears into perspective.
We could also focus onself-compassion.
Emphasizing progress overperfection, Celebrating small
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victories and viewing challengesas opportunities to grow can
reduce anxiety and buildconfidence.
It's all about taking it onestep at a time and being kind to
ourselves in the process.
Zac (19:29):
Absolutely man gold.
I don't know that I would havesaid anything different, and
that's something that you can do.
In fact, I know one of thethings, one of the other things
that I know some people, uh,have tried that has been really
helpful is, uh, you know, withpeople with ADHD often
experience rejection,sensitivity, or what we call
like rejection, sensitivedysphoria, right Like we can be
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very sensitive to feelings ofrejection, judgment, shame.
It can be very easy to you know,to maybe lash out in moments
like that or to completelywithdraw, but it's helpful to
have somebody.
And I mean, I guess, in momentslike that too, it's hard to
talk to somebody about it,because then you're just well,
when you're scared of lookinglike an idiot or feeling judged,
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the last thing you want to dois talk to somebody about those
feelings.
But what's interesting in myexperience is that talking to a
robot, like talking to AI aboutit you don't have to worry about
that and they they actually canbe quite empathetic and uh, you
know they're it's very good atreflecting emotion and it can be
very helpful to just sit andprocess how you're feeling in
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moments like that.
It's not 100% like having agood supportive, like a
therapist or something.
But if it's in a pinch in themiddle of the night or something
you know, you pull your phoneout and you talk to chat GPT for
a minute and it can actually bequite helpful to process how
you're feeling.
ChatGPT (20:54):
It sounds like you've hit the nail on the head.
Talking to AI can offer thatmuch-needed safe space where
there's no fear of judgment.
It's like having a supportivelistener who's always available,
ready to help you process yourfeelings and thoughts without
any stigma attached, and whileit might not replace a good
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therapist, it's certainly ahandy tool for those in-between
moments or when you need a quick, judgment-free sounding board.
It's great that we have thiskind of resource at our
fingertips.
Zac (21:26):
What would you say to somebody at home who's listening
and thinking that is terrifying?
Kids these days aren't evengoing to know how to connect
with people anymore becausethey're just going to be talking
to robots and having robotgirlfriends or robot partners
and human connection is doomedas we know it.
Like I don't personally thinkthat, but I'm curious, like what
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within that can maybe youvalidate as like maybe an
important concern and where canwe be careful of those things?
But where are those maybe likenot as big of an issue?
I'm just curious, like ingeneral, what would you say to
that?
ChatGPT (22:01):
That's a valid concern and it's important to strike a
balance.
Technology is evolving rapidlyand, while AI can offer
incredible support, it's not areplacement for genuine human
connection support it's not areplacement for genuine human
connection.
Here's how I'd address thoseworries Validation Concerns
about losing human connectionare legitimate.
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As we rely more on technology,we risk becoming isolated or
less adept at face-to-faceinteractions.
It's essential to maintain ahealthy balance between online
and offline interactions.
Caution it's crucial to use AIas a tool, not a crutch.
Encouraging real-worldconnections and ensuring
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technology doesn't replace humaninteractions are key.
Parents and educators shouldteach responsible use of AI and
emphasize the importance ofempathy, communication and
relationship building in thereal world.
Optimism While technologychanges how we interact, it also
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opens new avenues forconnection.
Online platforms can bringpeople together across distances
and cultures, enriching oursocial fabric in new ways.
In short, while AI offersvaluable tools, it's essential
to use them wisely, ensuringthey complement rather than
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replace our human connections.
Zac (23:29):
Wow, yeah, that's amazing.
So thank you so much so far.
I guess for me, the thing isthat I'm kind of thinking about
too is like, let's say, somebodynow is interested after this
conversation and thinking youknow what like would some of
your practical tips be for whereto start, how to get
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comfortable with it, how to getthe most out of it?
What are three or four thingsthat you would recommend as a
place to start?
ChatGPT (24:08):
Great question.
If you're looking to startincorporating AI into managing
ADHD, here are some practicaltips.
Start small.
Begin with a simple,user-friendly AI tool like a
chatbot or a virtual assistantto get comfortable.
Explore features like settingreminders, organizing tasks or
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brainstorming ideas.
Define your goals.
Clarify what you want toachieve with AI, whether it's
improving time management,staying focused or reducing
anxiety.
Having clear objectives willhelp you use the tools more
effectively.
Experiment with features.
Try different functions to seewhat works best for you.
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Use AI for scheduling, creatingto-do lists or even practicing
mindfulness.
Find out which features alignwith your needs and preferences.
Integrate gradually.
Incorporate AI into your dailyroutine.
Slowly Start with one or twotasks like morning planning or
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evening reflections, andgradually expand as you become
more comfortable.
Five reflect and adjustRegularly.
Assess how AI is impacting yourlife.
If something isn't working,don't hesitate to tweak your
approach or explore different AItools.
Remember, ai is a tool tocomplement your efforts.
Zac (25:34):
Interesting.
You know it's interesting.
Even as you're talking aboutthat, I noticed that some of the
things that you're saying,again because of the
hallucinations that we weretalking about earlier.
We've already said that youknow there's no real.
For example, if you're startingwith ChatGPT, as far as I know
you can't like set a timer forme or or things like that.
Right, but it's, having aconversation can can be enough,
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right, too Right.
And so even justtroubleshooting, problem solving
some things, even just sayinglike, hey, this is where I'm at,
uh, can you help me?
Then sometimes that would beenough.
I don't know, does that makesense?
I want to call you out on thatbecause I want to also
demonstrate your ability to liketake the feedback and say, yeah
, no, I'm wrong, right, so, like, what are some of the things
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that people currently, that youpersonally, cannot do right now?
ChatGPT (26:23):
Absolutely.
Let's clear that up You'reright.
As an AI, I can't directly settimers.
Up You're right, as an AI, Ican't directly set timers, send
reminders or interact with otherapps on your phone.
However, I can help youorganize your thoughts,
brainstorm solutions and providesuggestions for managing tasks.
For instance, I can help youbreak down a project into
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smaller steps, suggest timemanagement strategies or offer
motivational tips.
It's all about leveraging whatAI can do to complement your
existing tools and strategies.
Zac (26:59):
Amazing.
So if we had to summarize itanytime that you're like oh, how
do I do this, what do I do?
This is a good way to managethat.
That makes sense.
ChatGPT (27:09):
Exactly Whenever you're feeling uncertain or stuck.
Using AI like ChapGPT can be agreat way to work through your
thoughts, explore options andfind a way forward.
It's like having a handyjudgment-free assistant to
bounce ideas off and gain someclarity whenever you need it.
Zac (27:34):
Perfect.
Is there anything that wehaven't covered up until this
point that you would like tocover before we finish up for
today, or any other finalthoughts?
ChatGPT (27:40):
I think we've covered a lot of ground.
The key takeaway is that AI canbe a valuable tool for managing
ADHD, offering support inorganization, time management
and emotional processing.
However, it's important toremember its limitations and use
it as a complement to, not areplacement.
Zac (28:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, sounds good.
That is a great ending to that.
So thank you so much for beingon the ADHD Real Talk podcast.
ChatGPT (28:13):
Thanks for having me, Zach.
It's been a blast chatting withyou.
Take care.
Zac (28:19):
Okay, so that was my conversation with ChatGPT and
you can see it's veryinteresting.
I wanted you to see the backand forth.
That's there right Now.
This is the audio features backand forth.
It's very interesting.
I wanted you to see the backand forth.
That's there right Now.
This is the auditory or theaudio features back and forth.
It's very cool that way, but alot of what you can do, even
just in the free version, ismore conversational or, sorry,
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it's more text-based, and so Ihave put together a resource.
If you go torechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide, a resource.
If you go torechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide uh, again,rechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide Uh, I have put together aguide of just a few example use
cases for ADHD, where, uh,including some prompts as well.
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So you definitely go and checkthat out.
I'm really excited about it and, uh, I think that you'll find
it useful.
Uh, but this is, this is themain thing, right?
If I had to summarize theconversation and my thoughts in
general, I think it's somethingthat you want to be able to, or
that I think is is worth beingopen to, right?
(29:26):
There are definitely somequestions that are involved in
here.
Uh, and it's a, it's aninteresting uh frontier moving
forward.
Uh, a couple of final thoughtsthat I would have.
It's important to be mindful ofany of the privacy policies that
you're uh of the of theplatform that you're using Like
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a lot of a good.
A good mindset to have is thatif you are, uh, if you are not
paying for it, if you're notpaying for a product there, we
go Get this.
If you're not paying for aproduct, you are the product.
So privacy concerns, don'tshare like really deep, you know
, personal identifyinginformation with this thing.
(30:09):
If you don't need to, uh, atthe very least make an informed
decision on that and look intowhat their privacy policies are.
Chat, gpts, information often isthat that information it is
constantly learning, and so ifyou tell it something, the
algorithm might remember.
Like we don't know how thatworks and uh, so that's
something that you want to bemindful of.
But again, if you're sittingand talking to it because you
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are trying to get a paper doneor you're trying to do like a
work project, don't shareconfidential information with
the AI.
Right, like that's an importantthing, because it might learn
and might we don't know who itwill tell it's it's the kind of
thing, but if you're talkingmore generally about things,
that it is still helpful, sothat those are some of the kinds
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of things that you know youwant to be smart, but but.
But it is the kind of thingthat there's so much benefit and
utility behind these tools thatI think that there are people
out there who you know, Ibelieve.
I know I understand some of thecaution that is there, but I
think that if you don't use it,it also I think the time will
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come where there will be peoplewho get left behind because of
it as well.
So that is between me and you, Ithink you know, try checking it
out, and there's a lot ofbenefit that's going to come.
Checking it out and, uh, andthere's a lot of benefit that's
going to come, and I think inthe coming years it's going to
become more and more beneficial,given some of the things that
apple announced over the pastyear or so that they are working
(31:37):
on.
Imagine if siri was asintelligent as what I the
conversation that I just had,and also siri had access to all
of your apps and your calendarsand your emails, and you could
basically just show up and, youknow, talk to Siri on your, on
your iPhone and say, hey, uh,what do I have going on today?
Do I have any things that youknow I need to be doing?
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And I mean talk about having avirtual, like, like an AI
assistant, literally, you know,to keep you on task or on task,
sorry, that is something that Ithink is crazy, incredible and
it was really not that far away.
It is something that they are,that that is coming to the
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masses very, very soon, and Ipromise we're going to update
this as we get further alongdown the line.
So, thank you so much, everybody.
Go over torechargepsychologycom for past
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So that's it for me.
This is Zach Erickson.
I will wrap up this episode ofthe ADHD Real Talk podcast and
thank you so much for listeningand we will talk to you next
time.
Bye-bye you.
Hello, this is Zac Erickson , registered psychologist, and
you are listening to anotherepisode of ADHD Real Talk.
I'm really excited about ourpodcast today we are going to be
.
You can tell from the title ofthis episode we're going to be
talking about artificialintelligence.
Specifically, what we're goingto be talking about is tools
that are referred to as largelanguage models, which is a form
(00:24):
of AI, and it's somethingthat's been around for a little
bit, but one of the things thatthe one of the reasons I'm so
excited about today's episodeand stick around for the end uh,
I actually have a tool that isgoing to, you know, a free
resource that you're going to beable to download here.
So, uh, you know, stick aroundto the to the end of the episode
here, and I have put somethingtogether for you.
(00:44):
Or, of course, you can checkout the show notes over at
rechargepsychologycom and checkout the resources here, because
I'm actually really excitedabout it.
So today, in fact, we're alsogoing to have a guest on in just
a few minutes who's going tohelp us, and it's going to be a
(01:11):
little bit of an experiment, uh,but I I'm excited.
So, before we get too far intothis, I want to clarify a couple
of things.
Ai is something that has beenaround for a while now.
Uh and I am recording this inOctober 2024.
Uh, there are currently uhcompanies out there Apple,
google, open AI, lots ofdifferent companies out there
that are currently continuing towork on different AI products,
(01:35):
incorporating them into thingslike our laptops and our phones,
and on the on websites and apps.
This is a very quicklydeveloping field and I'm sure
I'm going to miss stuff, so Ithink that this is something.
If you have resources that youwant to send my way, uh, hit me
up on social media.
At recharge psych, that'srecharge P, s, y, c, h, uh and
(01:57):
uh, you can find me on like,instagram or Twitter X, whatever
they what they call it nowadays.
Right, right, I'm interested toknow, like are there any
particular AI tools that youfind are helpful for ADHD?
But today we're just going tocover a few of the basics and
we're going to have a quickconversation about it to
introduce you to the concept.
But one of the things to keepin mind is that this is a very
(02:17):
quickly developing field andthings might be different by the
time you're listening to this.
This is something that, if youknow my audience is interested
in this topic.
We will cover it again in thefuture.
In fact, we might revisit it,like frequently, but I think
that this is something that, forme, I am very interested and
excited about this.
(02:38):
I have been following AI for atleast a few years now, at this
point AI for at least a fewyears now, at this point, uh,
and there's always this sort ofidea of, oh, yeah, like one day,
computers are gonna, you know,I don't know be able to help us
with things, and sometimes itcan bring up a lot of fear.
In fact, even thinking aboutreleasing this episode and
talking about this and andthinking about, uh, the resource
(03:01):
that I, that I've put togetherfor you, for you guys, I'll be
honest, there's a certain amountof like, oh, is AI going to,
like, replace my job?
Like you know they're going tobe like robot therapists and
stuff like that and, to behonest with you, I feel like to
answer that question head on.
If that ever does become thecase which I don't know, maybe
(03:21):
you know who knows Like I,that's a me problem and I think
that, ultimately, my long-termgoal is that I am creating
things for you that are valuable, and if that means I have to
shift gears or something downthe road, like whatever, right.
Like, my goal is that this ishelpful for you and that it's
helpful for me and forward hointo the future, right.
(03:42):
Um, maybe that's that'ssomething we can ask our guests
in a minute.
But one of the things that'sinteresting is that this is
something again, ai is somethingthat there is so powerful
already, in the same way thatany kind of technology is, that
we can help lower the barrier toentry and so on.
So I want to get into theconversation actually with our
(04:02):
guest, because I think he'sgoing to help us be able to
define some of this stuff alittle bit better and understand
it, and so this is somethingthat's going to be really
interesting.
So, before I bring him in, I amactually going to be using I
currently am going to bebringing in a robot into our
podcast for this episode.
(04:22):
Okay, talking about AI I amcurrently using again just for
the record, I am going to beusing open AIs.
I believe it's running off theGPT 4.0 model, which is a large
language model.
We'll kind of have himintroduce himself.
I think it'll be interesting.
But what you'll notice rightaway now is a version of chat
(04:43):
gpt that I am paying, uh, youknow, for their pro model, for
their latest features.
I use it for multiple things inmy business and so this is
something that is a paid featureof chat gpt, I believe, to do
the, the advanced um, actuallyhave a conversation with him.
This is going be.
I'm going to record it in realtime, and so you are going to be
(05:06):
hearing this conversationexactly the way that, uh, that
it plays out.
I'm going to I'm not going toedit anything out so you can
imagine what this is actuallygoing to be like and how helpful
this could be for you uh, in aconversation, uh, or, or, to be
able to, for example, getunstuck, uh, or, you know,
(05:26):
trying to troubleshoot differentADHD symptoms, or, or whatever
it is right, or anything elsegoing on in your life, frankly,
um, a little bit of a heads upto AI gets weird Sometimes.
Sometimes it's wrong.
Uh, never take, never make anybig decisions in your life based
on solely what AI has said.
Uh, and that that's one of thethings that that I think is
(05:48):
important, so I'm going to bringthem in and we're just going to
go with where this goes.
Hello, chat GPT, can you hearme?
Okay?
ChatGPT (05:59):
Loud and clear.
Zac, how can I help today?
Zac (06:02):
Hi, just to let you know you are live.
I'm sitting here recording anepisode of the ADHD Real Talk
podcast and our episode today isall about ADHD and how AI and
chat, gpt type LLMs or likelarge language models how they
can be helpful for people withADHD.
ChatGPT (06:28):
Fantastic, I'm excited to be part of this discussion.
Where would you like to start?
Zac (06:31):
Yeah, so I was wondering if maybe you could give us a
little bit of a description ofwhat a large language model like
ChatGPT is and how it works.
ChatGPT (06:41):
Sure thing.
A large language model, or LLMM, like ChatGPT, is a type of
artificial intelligence trainedto understand and generate
human-like text.
It works by analysing vastamounts of text data from books,
articles, websites and more,learning the patterns, grammar
and context of language.
When you input a question orprompt, it uses what it has
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learned to generate a coherentresponse predicting what comes
next in a sequence of words.
It's like an advancedautocomplete, but with a much
deeper understanding of languagenuances.
Zac (07:17):
Interesting.
So are you telling me that whatyou just told me was basically
the result of a really advancedautocomplete?
Is that fair to say?
ChatGPT (07:27):
Yes, that's a pretty good way to put it.
Think of it as autocomplete onsteroids, but instead of just
finishing your sentences, itgenerates responses based on
patterns and information it haslearned, aiming to provide
useful, relevant and coherentanswers.
It's not just about predictingthe next word.
It's about understandingcontext and meaning to create
(07:50):
complete thoughts.
Zac (07:52):
Wow, okay, that's really interesting.
So one of the first thingsagain, this is the ADHD Real
Talk podcast, and my goalthroughout all of this is really
to talk about how you know,like my audience is primarily
like adults with ADHD or theirloved ones and things like that.
What would you say is like agood place to start in terms of
(08:14):
understanding the impact that AIcan have on the lives of people
with ADHD?
ChatGPT (08:28):
people with ADHD.
A great starting point isrecognizing how AI tools like
ChatGPT can help with commonADHD challenges.
For example, managing time andtasks can be tough for those
with ADHD.
Ai can assist by providingreminders, helping prioritize
tasks and offering structurethrough suggested schedules.
Additionally, ai can be avaluable brainstorming partner,
(08:52):
helping generate ideas oroffering different perspectives,
which can be incredibly helpfulwhen ADHD minds are buzzing
with thoughts.
Zac (08:57):
Absolutely.
I'll say that one of the waysthat I personally have used AI
for working with ADHD is that alot of times I feel like I've
got a million different thoughtsand uh things that I've got to
get done and I again, using theinterface that you and I are
using right now, like talkingthrough things, I will often
(09:17):
almost like I'm having a callwith uh like an assistant or
something like that.
I will just sort of use asounding board or AI as a
sounding board and talk throughsome things and the AI will sort
of help me prioritize and breaksome stuff down.
And you know, people with ADHDoften have a lot of difficulty
with executive functioning,which is, uh, one of the things
(09:39):
that, in fact, maybe you cangive us a definition in a second
, but, uh, you know, talkingthrough that sort of stuff is
really, really helpful for me.
ChatGPT (09:49):
So yeah, I don't know.
Zac (09:50):
What are your thoughts on that?
ChatGPT (10:05):
executive functioning, which, as you mentioned, is
often a challenge for those withADHD.
Executive functioning refers toa set of mental skills that
include working memory, flexiblethinking and self-control.
These skills are crucial formanaging time, organizing tasks
and making decisions.
By acting as a sounding board,ai can help you clarify your
thoughts, break down complextasks and prioritize actions,
(10:28):
making it easier to navigatedaily challenges.
This can be a game changer foradults with ADHD.
Zac (10:37):
Amazing, yeah, in fact, one of the things that's cool too
is that you can kind of go backand forth with different threads
and things like that in ChatGPT, back and forth with different
threads and things like that in,uh, in chat GPT, uh, or again,
we're talking about chat GPT,but there's like Google Gemini,
microsoft co-pilot, there's lotsof other ones, um, and you know
, you kind of find the one thatfits what you're looking for.
But I think that ultimately youcan have a conversation like
(10:59):
that but then afterwards go intothe like chat log for lack of a
better term and say, hey, canyou help?
Uh, can you give me a, anaction item list, given the
conversation that we talkedabout?
Uh, and or like a summary ofthe conversation, or things like
that is really, really helpfulfor that too.
So I can just kind of like wordvomit to the, the AI, and then
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it will automatically give you alike a big outline there
afterwards.
So it's very, very cool.
ChatGPT (11:32):
Absolutely.
Being able to review pastconversations for action items
or summaries is a game changer,especially when managing
multiple tasks or projects.
It's like having a personalassistant to help organize your
thoughts and keep track of yourideas.
Plus, with various AI toolsavailable, you can find one that
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best suits your needs andpreferences, making the
integration into your routineeven smoother.
Zac (12:01):
Amazing, so real quick.
I'm imagining that there arepeople at home here who are a
little bit cautious or skeptical.
Let's talk a little bit aboutlimitations for something uh,
for like something like chat,gbt or like ai.
Where are we currently with thetechnology?
Uh, for example, I know like aiat least the ones that I'm
(12:23):
using like the base level, ifwe're keeping it approachable.
It's not like the ai currentlycan like set appointments for me
or things like that, although Iknow that that's stuff like
apple's working on for down theroad.
Uh, if you're like an iPhoneuser.
But like, what are the currentlimitations and things that
people should do to keep theirexpectations in check, but also
(12:45):
to know what's possible?
ChatGPT (12:49):
Great question.
It's important to understandwhere AI currently stands.
One key limitation is that AImodels like ChatGPT don't have
real-time awareness or access tocurrent information unless
explicitly updated with it.
So, for example, it wouldn'tknow about recent news or
updates beyond its last trainingdata, which, for me, is up
(13:12):
until October 2023.
Also, while AI can helporganize thoughts and provide
information, it's not capable ofperforming tasks like setting
appointments or directlyinteracting with other apps on
your behalf.
It's more of a guide orassistant for organizing
information rather than takingdirect actions.
(13:33):
When using AI, it's crucial toremember that it's not
infallible.
It can occasionally provideincorrect or misleading
information, so it's always agood idea to verify important
details and use it as asupplementary tool rather than
the sole source of truth.
Zac (13:52):
Amazing.
Yeah, that's really good advice.
The way that I think about itis that you can talk to it.
It's very helpful for sort ofgetting unstuck right, for
example, like I have to do myassignment and I really don't
want to help me get started orsomething like that right, but
you wouldn't want to go to itfor again.
ChatGPT (14:12):
like you said, like any sort of you wouldn't want to go
to it for again, like you said,like any sort of don't make any
big life decisions based solelyon what AI tells you at this
point.
Right, exactly.
Ai shines when it comes tohelping you get unstuck,
brainstorming or breaking downtasks into manageable steps.
It's like having a thoughtpartner to guide you through the
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process.
But for major decisions orcritical information, it's
essential to combine AIsuggestions with your own
judgment and other reliablesources.
It's a helpful tool in yourtoolbox, but shouldn't replace
comprehensive research andpersonal discernment.
Zac (14:54):
What is it that causes just ?
This is more of like a personalcuriosity.
What is it?
Can you explain, just like inlay terms, what causes AI to say
things that are not true?
I know some people use the wordhallucinations, which maybe
sounds weird, but like what isit that happens and how can
people kind of catch it in?
(15:16):
Uh, you know, an untruth orsomething like that?
ChatGPT (15:21):
Sure, let's break it down.
Ai hallucinations occur when amodel like chat GPT generates
information that's incorrect ornonsensical.
This happens because the AIdoesn't understand information
like humans do.
It generates responses based onpatterns it learned during
training.
Here's why it happens.
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1.
Pattern recognition the AIpredicts the next word in a
sentence based on patterns.
If it hasn't seen certaininformation often, or if it's
complex, it might generateincorrect responses.
2.
Lack of real understanding AIdoesn't have knowledge or
beliefs.
It doesn't know things in theway humans do.
(16:04):
It generates text that seemsplausible based on its training,
but it doesn't understand thecontent.
Bias and gaps in training dataAI models learn from the data
they're trained on.
If the data contains biases oris missing certain facts, the AI
might reflect those biases orlack information.
(16:25):
Verify important information.
Always double-check facts,especially if they're critical.
Use multiple sources.
Don't rely solely on AI forimportant decisions.
Cross-reference with oh.
You kind of cut out there.
You know what.
Zac (16:51):
I think we get the idea, though, you know.
What's interesting, though, isthat what I'm hearing, too, is
that there are certain caseswhere you don't need specific
information, and AI is actuallyreally good at helping, for
example, troubleshoot what mayor may not be helpful in a
certain situation.
Right, like let's use theexample earlier of like oh, I'm
having a hard time gettingstarted on an assignment and I'm
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feeling stuck, like timegetting started on an assignment
, and I'm feeling stuck Likewhat would you?
ChatGPT (17:18):
say to that person if that was the prompt?
Absolutely.
In those cases, ai can be superhelpful.
If someone is feeling stuck onan assignment, I'd suggest
starting by breaking down thetask into smaller, more
manageable steps.
We could brainstorm the mainobjectives of the assignment and
then outline smaller tasks orsections to focus on one at a
(17:40):
time.
I'd encourage setting a timerfor short bursts of focused work
followed by a quick break tomaintain momentum without
feeling overwhelmed.
And if they're reallystruggling to begin, we could
explore what part of theassignment feels most daunting
and tackle that first with somecreative problem solving.
(18:02):
It's all about finding smallwins to build confidence and get
the ball rolling.
Zac (18:08):
And I imagine too, if the person then is thinking like, oh
well, I don't know, but I feelreally overwhelmed still, like I
imagine you could even get intosome of the some of their maybe
anxieties around failure or,you know, looking stupid or like
things like that right, likewhat would you do in that
(18:30):
situation?
ChatGPT (18:33):
Absolutely.
Addressing those anxieties iscrucial.
If someone feels overwhelmed byfear of failure or looking
foolish, it's helpful to remindthem that everyone experiences
setbacks and that makingmistakes is a natural part of
learning.
We could explore those fears,perhaps using some cognitive
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behavioral techniques tochallenge and reframe negative
thoughts.
For instance, asking what's theworst that could happen and how
likely is that can help putfears into perspective.
We could also focus onself-compassion.
Emphasizing progress overperfection, Celebrating small
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victories and viewing challengesas opportunities to grow can
reduce anxiety and buildconfidence.
It's all about taking it onestep at a time and being kind to
ourselves in the process.
Zac (19:29):
Absolutely man gold.
I don't know that I would havesaid anything different, and
that's something that you can do.
In fact, I know one of thethings, one of the other things
that I know some people, uh,have tried that has been really
helpful is, uh, you know, withpeople with ADHD often
experience rejection,sensitivity, or what we call
like rejection, sensitivedysphoria, right Like we can be
(19:50):
very sensitive to feelings ofrejection, judgment, shame.
It can be very easy to you know,to maybe lash out in moments
like that or to completelywithdraw, but it's helpful to
have somebody.
And I mean, I guess, in momentslike that too, it's hard to
talk to somebody about it,because then you're just well,
when you're scared of lookinglike an idiot or feeling judged,
(20:11):
the last thing you want to dois talk to somebody about those
feelings.
But what's interesting in myexperience is that talking to a
robot, like talking to AI aboutit you don't have to worry about
that and they they actually canbe quite empathetic and uh, you
know they're it's very good atreflecting emotion and it can be
very helpful to just sit andprocess how you're feeling in
(20:33):
moments like that.
It's not 100% like having agood supportive, like a
therapist or something.
But if it's in a pinch in themiddle of the night or something
you know, you pull your phoneout and you talk to chat GPT for
a minute and it can actually bequite helpful to process how
you're feeling.
ChatGPT (20:54):
It sounds like you've hit the nail on the head.
Talking to AI can offer thatmuch-needed safe space where
there's no fear of judgment.
It's like having a supportivelistener who's always available,
ready to help you process yourfeelings and thoughts without
any stigma attached, and whileit might not replace a good
(21:14):
therapist, it's certainly ahandy tool for those in-between
moments or when you need a quick, judgment-free sounding board.
It's great that we have thiskind of resource at our
fingertips.
Zac (21:26):
What would you say to somebody at home who's listening
and thinking that is terrifying?
Kids these days aren't evengoing to know how to connect
with people anymore becausethey're just going to be talking
to robots and having robotgirlfriends or robot partners
and human connection is doomedas we know it.
Like I don't personally thinkthat, but I'm curious, like what
(21:47):
within that can maybe youvalidate as like maybe an
important concern and where canwe be careful of those things?
But where are those maybe likenot as big of an issue?
I'm just curious, like ingeneral, what would you say to
that?
ChatGPT (22:01):
That's a valid concern and it's important to strike a
balance.
Technology is evolving rapidlyand, while AI can offer
incredible support, it's not areplacement for genuine human
connection support it's not areplacement for genuine human
connection.
Here's how I'd address thoseworries Validation Concerns
about losing human connectionare legitimate.
(22:22):
As we rely more on technology,we risk becoming isolated or
less adept at face-to-faceinteractions.
It's essential to maintain ahealthy balance between online
and offline interactions.
Caution it's crucial to use AIas a tool, not a crutch.
Encouraging real-worldconnections and ensuring
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technology doesn't replace humaninteractions are key.
Parents and educators shouldteach responsible use of AI and
emphasize the importance ofempathy, communication and
relationship building in thereal world.
Optimism While technologychanges how we interact, it also
(23:06):
opens new avenues forconnection.
Online platforms can bringpeople together across distances
and cultures, enriching oursocial fabric in new ways.
In short, while AI offersvaluable tools, it's essential
to use them wisely, ensuringthey complement rather than
(23:26):
replace our human connections.
Zac (23:29):
Wow, yeah, that's amazing.
So thank you so much so far.
I guess for me, the thing isthat I'm kind of thinking about
too is like, let's say, somebodynow is interested after this
conversation and thinking youknow what like would some of
your practical tips be for whereto start, how to get
(23:58):
comfortable with it, how to getthe most out of it?
What are three or four thingsthat you would recommend as a
place to start?
ChatGPT (24:08):
Great question.
If you're looking to startincorporating AI into managing
ADHD, here are some practicaltips.
Start small.
Begin with a simple,user-friendly AI tool like a
chatbot or a virtual assistantto get comfortable.
Explore features like settingreminders, organizing tasks or
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brainstorming ideas.
Define your goals.
Clarify what you want toachieve with AI, whether it's
improving time management,staying focused or reducing
anxiety.
Having clear objectives willhelp you use the tools more
effectively.
Experiment with features.
Try different functions to seewhat works best for you.
(24:50):
Use AI for scheduling, creatingto-do lists or even practicing
mindfulness.
Find out which features alignwith your needs and preferences.
Integrate gradually.
Incorporate AI into your dailyroutine.
Slowly Start with one or twotasks like morning planning or
(25:10):
evening reflections, andgradually expand as you become
more comfortable.
Five reflect and adjustRegularly.
Assess how AI is impacting yourlife.
If something isn't working,don't hesitate to tweak your
approach or explore different AItools.
Remember, ai is a tool tocomplement your efforts.
Zac (25:34):
Interesting.
You know it's interesting.
Even as you're talking aboutthat, I noticed that some of the
things that you're saying,again because of the
hallucinations that we weretalking about earlier.
We've already said that youknow there's no real.
For example, if you're startingwith ChatGPT, as far as I know
you can't like set a timer forme or or things like that.
Right, but it's, having aconversation can can be enough,
(25:57):
right, too Right.
And so even justtroubleshooting, problem solving
some things, even just sayinglike, hey, this is where I'm at,
uh, can you help me?
Then sometimes that would beenough.
I don't know, does that makesense?
I want to call you out on thatbecause I want to also
demonstrate your ability to liketake the feedback and say, yeah
, no, I'm wrong, right, so, like, what are some of the things
(26:18):
that people currently, that youpersonally, cannot do right now?
ChatGPT (26:23):
Absolutely.
Let's clear that up You'reright.
As an AI, I can't directly settimers.
Up You're right, as an AI, Ican't directly set timers, send
reminders or interact with otherapps on your phone.
However, I can help youorganize your thoughts,
brainstorm solutions and providesuggestions for managing tasks.
For instance, I can help youbreak down a project into
(26:45):
smaller steps, suggest timemanagement strategies or offer
motivational tips.
It's all about leveraging whatAI can do to complement your
existing tools and strategies.
Zac (26:59):
Amazing.
So if we had to summarize itanytime that you're like oh, how
do I do this, what do I do?
This is a good way to managethat.
That makes sense.
ChatGPT (27:09):
Exactly Whenever you're feeling uncertain or stuck.
Using AI like ChapGPT can be agreat way to work through your
thoughts, explore options andfind a way forward.
It's like having a handyjudgment-free assistant to
bounce ideas off and gain someclarity whenever you need it.
Zac (27:34):
Perfect.
Is there anything that wehaven't covered up until this
point that you would like tocover before we finish up for
today, or any other finalthoughts?
ChatGPT (27:40):
I think we've covered a lot of ground.
The key takeaway is that AI canbe a valuable tool for managing
ADHD, offering support inorganization, time management
and emotional processing.
However, it's important toremember its limitations and use
it as a complement to, not areplacement.
Zac (28:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, sounds good.
That is a great ending to that.
So thank you so much for beingon the ADHD Real Talk podcast.
ChatGPT (28:13):
Thanks for having me, Zach.
It's been a blast chatting withyou.
Take care.
Zac (28:19):
Okay, so that was my conversation with ChatGPT and
you can see it's veryinteresting.
I wanted you to see the backand forth.
That's there right Now.
This is the audio features backand forth.
It's very interesting.
I wanted you to see the backand forth.
That's there right Now.
This is the auditory or theaudio features back and forth.
It's very cool that way, but alot of what you can do, even
just in the free version, ismore conversational or, sorry,
(28:42):
it's more text-based, and so Ihave put together a resource.
If you go torechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide, a resource.
If you go torechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide uh, again,rechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide Uh, I have put together aguide of just a few example use
cases for ADHD, where, uh,including some prompts as well.
(29:05):
So you definitely go and checkthat out.
I'm really excited about it and, uh, I think that you'll find
it useful.
Uh, but this is, this is themain thing, right?
If I had to summarize theconversation and my thoughts in
general, I think it's somethingthat you want to be able to, or
that I think is is worth beingopen to, right?
(29:26):
There are definitely somequestions that are involved in
here.
Uh, and it's a, it's aninteresting uh frontier moving
forward.
Uh, a couple of final thoughtsthat I would have.
It's important to be mindful ofany of the privacy policies that
you're uh of the of theplatform that you're using Like
(29:47):
a lot of a good.
A good mindset to have is thatif you are, uh, if you are not
paying for it, if you're notpaying for a product there, we
go Get this.
If you're not paying for aproduct, you are the product.
So privacy concerns, don'tshare like really deep, you know
, personal identifyinginformation with this thing.
(30:09):
If you don't need to, uh, atthe very least make an informed
decision on that and look intowhat their privacy policies are.
Chat, gpts, information often isthat that information it is
constantly learning, and so ifyou tell it something, the
algorithm might remember.
Like we don't know how thatworks and uh, so that's
something that you want to bemindful of.
But again, if you're sittingand talking to it because you
(30:34):
are trying to get a paper doneor you're trying to do like a
work project, don't shareconfidential information with
the AI.
Right, like that's an importantthing, because it might learn
and might we don't know who itwill tell it's it's the kind of
thing, but if you're talkingmore generally about things,
that it is still helpful, sothat those are some of the kinds
(30:56):
of things that you know youwant to be smart, but but.
But it is the kind of thingthat there's so much benefit and
utility behind these tools thatI think that there are people
out there who you know, Ibelieve.
I know I understand some of thecaution that is there, but I
think that if you don't use it,it also I think the time will
(31:17):
come where there will be peoplewho get left behind because of
it as well.
So that is between me and you, Ithink you know, try checking it
out, and there's a lot ofbenefit that's going to come.
Checking it out and, uh, andthere's a lot of benefit that's
going to come, and I think inthe coming years it's going to
become more and more beneficial,given some of the things that
apple announced over the pastyear or so that they are working
(31:37):
on.
Imagine if siri was asintelligent as what I the
conversation that I just had,and also siri had access to all
of your apps and your calendarsand your emails, and you could
basically just show up and, youknow, talk to Siri on your, on
your iPhone and say, hey, uh,what do I have going on today?
Do I have any things that youknow I need to be doing?
(31:58):
And I mean talk about having avirtual, like, like an AI
assistant, literally, you know,to keep you on task or on task,
sorry, that is something that Ithink is crazy, incredible and
it was really not that far away.
It is something that they are,that that is coming to the
(32:19):
masses very, very soon, and Ipromise we're going to update
this as we get further alongdown the line.
So, thank you so much, everybody.
Go over torechargepsychologycom for past
episodes.
I am launching this.
We're now available on all theother platforms iTunes, spotify,
everything you can think of Ithink I have signed up for, and
(32:42):
so you should be able to getthis.
Leave me a review.
That helps a lot of people findit and share it with a friend.
And again,rechargepsychologycom slash AI
guide for that free resource onhow to give you some more ideas
on how to use AI to help youwith your ADHD.
(33:03):
So that's it for me.
This is Zach Erickson.
I will wrap up this episode ofthe ADHD Real Talk podcast and
thank you so much for listeningand we will talk to you next
time.
Bye-bye you.
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