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September 11, 2025 55 mins

On this episode, we're excited to present an interview Pat recorded on July 10th with the author and researcher Aaron Good. As with other upcoming interviews, this was a great opportunity to break out of the inherent insolation of social media and inform our positions on the interstate order by engaging with one of the brightest perspectives in the political science discipline. In addition to offering an invaluable backstory to the phenomenon of 'the deep state' and its progeny like Jeffrey Epstein, the discussion ranges broadly around the means and methods of narrative control, as well as how would-be knowledge producers can navigate the modern prison-house.

Aaron Good hosts the American Exception podcast, appears regularly on Youtube in discussion with major figures like Jeff Sachs, Oliver Stone, and Daniele Ganser, and has taken the torch of counter-intelligence research from mentors like Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot. In this hour, they address what the JFK assassination signified for those authors, and what Aaron has contributed since, to our understanding of involvement by the mob, teamsters, and Mossad. Pat also asks him to describe his intellectual journey, the state of academia in the empire, his top 5 podcasts, reflections on the relationship between literature and espionage, and the way our institutions are promoting narrative capture, even as they are falling in credibility.

More about the author:

Aaron is host of the American Exception Podcast and author of 'American Exception: Empire and the Deep State,' which you can check out here.

You can find more of Aaron's work on his engaging, provocative and regularly updated Substack where he covers a host of topics related to the Deep State: 

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