February 4, 2025 • 22 mins
In this episode of After Wine School, hosts Keith Wallace and Alana Zerbe explore the world of Chardonnay. They discuss the wine's rich history, its varied styles, and the misconceptions surrounding it. Keith shares his personal journey with Chardonnay and why he values it as a winemaker. Alana presents a Southern Burgundy Chardonnay, , highlighting its tasting notes and characteristics. The episode balances humor, professional insight, and practical advice, aiming to demystify Chardonnay and make it accessible to all wine lovers.
00:00 Welcome to After Wine School
00:41 Introducing the Hosts and Today's Topic
02:44 Keith's Love for Chardonnay
08:22 The Popularity and Criticism of Chardonnay
15:51 Tasting and Analyzing a White Burgundy
21:36 Conclusion and Farewell
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It is after school, the wine podcast today's topic.
Today's topic is Chardonnay versus the world Chardonnay versus the haters.
.9This is going to be a lot of fun for me.
We're also going to, at the end of class, end of, kind of class, end of the podcast, we are going to taste an awesome Chardonnay.
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This one is actually from Southern Burgundy, Alana, do you want to show it off? I would love to, Keith. 15 00:01:16,660.999 --> 00:01:21,541 It's the Domaine Duran Puy Venzel from the Mekong.
Awesome.
Awesome.
So who are we? My name's Alana Zerbe.
I am the Director of Education at the Wine School of Philadelphia, and This is I'm Keith Wallace.
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I am actually the founder of the Wine School of Philadelphia.
I can even say that correctly, the Wine School of Philadelphia.
You know what really matters is that we say our sponsor very clearly, which is the National Wine School, the premier online education program for aspiring sommeliers.
And also, they've asked that we give a nice disclaimer.
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Businesses that we share with you are wholly our own and do not reflect the opinions or viewpoints of the National Wine School or the Wine School of Philadelphia or any other business we may be affiliated with.
It's just us.
Yeah.
It's just after school dish with Keith and Ilana.
Oh, that's awesome.
Basically the note was Keith talks a lot of shit.
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Can you make him stop? Legal, legal does not want to deal with Keith. 31 00:02:26,456.1 --> 00:02:26,686 Keith.
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They never have.
Oh, no, they don't.
If I was anybody else in my position, they'd be very happy, but they would be also unemployed.
Sure. 37 00:02:37,545.999 --> 00:02:43,206 But you do bring, you bring a lot of knowledge and you bring a lot of love for chardonnay.
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Okay. 39 00:02:43,775.999 --> 00:02:44,345.999 That's true.
Here's the thing. 41 00:02:45,176.1 --> 00:02:48,586 I love it in a way.
So let's just put context here.
I grew up in.
The 69, so let's not say that, but you know, I'm a kid in the 70s, I, I'm growing up. 45 00:03:02,576.1 --> 00:03:03,686.1 It's the 80s. 46 00:03:03,726.1 --> 00:03:04,706.1 It's a wee Keith. 47 00:03:04,766.1 --> 00:03:05,986.1 It's a little Keith, right? A little. 48 00:03:06,146.1 --> 00:03:08,416 So just imagine I'm still wearing a suit.
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.999Your head is this huge.
.999Oh, it's same size, but I'm like a weeble.
I can barely, I can't hold my head up.
I have to carry it around, on a, it's own head cot, just carry it around and yeah, and I, but I actually was, I had this beard and so just picture this, yeah, but I was, but also, but I was in diapers until I was 10. 53 00:03:28,85.999 --> 00:03:32,446.03333333 So I, so just had that picture, just, everyone, everyone just lost their lunch. 54 00:03:32,546.03333333 --> 00:03:33,986.03333333 No, I'm just a normal kid. 55 00:03:34,16.03333333 --> 00:03:34,986.03333333 I was just a normal kid. 56 00:03:35,316.03333333 --> 00:03:36,186.03333333 I played football. 57 00:03:36,336.03333333 --> 00:03:37,236.03333333 I was in the Boy Scouts. 58 00:03:37,286.03333333 --> 00:03:37,926.03333333 I was fine. 59 00:03:38,426.03333333 --> 00:03:54,596.03333333 Growing up at this point and be, and then like becoming a chef and then, at this time learning about food and wine growing up, into my, my early teens, cause yeah, I started the restaurant industry very early trying wines very early. 60 00:03:54,596.03333333 --> 00:03:55,246.03233333 But then. 61 00:03:57,216.03433333 --> 00:03:58,106.03433333 Chardonnay was everywhere. 62 00:03:58,376.03433333 --> 00:03:59,85.93433333 Everyone loved Chardonnay. 63 00:03:59,86.03433333 --> 00:04:04,716.03433333 Chardonnay was the one wine that everyone could agree on, specifically white burgundy. 64 00:04:04,726.03433333 --> 00:04:08,486.03433333 But but California these big buttery styles were coming in. 65 00:04:08,496.03433333 --> 00:04:09,666.03333333 Vogue as well. 66 00:04:10,206.03333333 --> 00:04:13,546.03433333 This is when brie was like the best thing you ever had. 67 00:04:14,36.03333333 --> 00:04:15,226.03333333 Baked brie. 68 00:04:15,366.03333333 --> 00:04:16,206.03333333 Yeah, brie and crude. 69 00:04:16,246.03333333 --> 00:04:17,116.03333333 Oh my God. 70 00:04:17,746.03333333 --> 00:04:22,756.03333333 That is, to this day though, if I ever want anybody to love me, I will give them Brian Crute. 71 00:04:22,806.03333333 --> 00:04:23,946.03333333 With a little bit of jam. 72 00:04:24,76.03333333 --> 00:04:25,226.03333333 I will never turn it down. 73 00:04:25,236.03333333 --> 00:04:25,496.03333333 No. 74 00:04:25,716.03333333 --> 00:04:26,136.03333333 Never. 75 00:04:26,186.03333333 --> 00:04:26,316.03333333 I do. 76 00:04:26,946.03333333 --> 00:04:27,376.03333333 No. 77 00:04:27,686.03333333 --> 00:04:28,96.03333333 No. 78 00:04:28,146.03333333 --> 00:04:39,236.03333333 I have actually, there's a dude who is a, this old, mean old dude from West Virginia and I gave him, and I've never seen him happy and I actually saw a smile on his face. 79 00:04:39,296.03333333 --> 00:04:43,836.03333333 It actually, it looked like rictus cause it, you never saw it on that, that, that mean old coot's face. 80 00:04:43,836.03333333 --> 00:04:44,436.03333333 But anyways. 81 00:04:44,436.03333333 --> 00:04:44,656.03333333 Yeah. 82 00:04:44,656.13333333 --> 00:04:44,683.58333333 Yeah. 83 00:04:44,683.58333333 --> 00:04:44,711.03333333 Yeah. 84 00:04:45,6.03333333 --> 00:05:00,396.03233333 There you go, but anyways, yeah, so that okay, so this is the setting and so when I became a winemaker, it was still very much in vogue and I love, so Chardonnay has everything a winemaker wants. 85 00:05:00,856.03333333 --> 00:05:05,306.03283333 If there's a, yeah, because it's, it, you can do so many things with it. 86 00:05:05,406.03383333 --> 00:05:05,706.03383333 Okay. 87 00:05:05,776.03383333 --> 00:05:15,336.03383333 It really shows off your talent, really shows off how good you are because everything from flavor to textures. 88 00:05:15,591.03383333 --> 00:05:21,801.03383333 To any element that's there is really introduced by the winemaker. 89 00:05:21,841.03383333 --> 00:05:25,611.03383333 It's really is, I described Chardonnay as the tofu of the wine world. 90 00:05:25,611.13383333 --> 00:05:26,596.03383333 Ha, okay. 91 00:05:26,646.13383333 --> 00:05:31,176.13483333 Okay, but you think about it, it's not but, if you are great, if you are, tofu can be great. 92 00:05:31,306.13483333 --> 00:05:31,786.13483333 Absolutely. 93 00:05:32,276.13483333 --> 00:05:48,436.13483333 You think about Mapa tofu and dishes like that and so many great Asian dishes, Chinese dishes, specifically Szechuan, hyper specifically, or, you start with the most bland thing element and create wonderful flavors. 94 00:05:48,866.13483333 --> 00:05:51,476.13483333 So as a winemaker, I love making Chardonnay. 95 00:05:51,476.13483333 --> 00:06:08,191.13483333 Now, I also just, if I just don't want to think about varietal fingerprints, if I don't want to think about too deeply about my wine and just have this moment of just pure luxury, that's what I want. 96 00:06:08,731.13483333 --> 00:06:11,241.13583333 Really? That's what I really want that. 97 00:06:11,531.13483333 --> 00:06:15,87.07483333 Because it just allows me to sink into a winemaker's skill. 98 00:06:15,247.17483333 --> 00:06:20,917.17483333 And, or even just just fall into that big, buttery, dumb, happy place. 99 00:06:21,647.17483333 --> 00:06:23,157.17483333 But I'm going to point something out, Keith. 100 00:06:23,377.17383333 --> 00:06:23,397.17383333 Yeah. 101 00:06:23,657.17483333 --> 00:06:27,557.17483333 Now, this is basically you and Chardonnay against the world. 102 00:06:27,657.17483333 --> 00:06:28,37.17483333 Yes. 103 00:06:28,137.17483333 --> 00:06:31,127.17383333 Not really, but Pretty close, though, these days. 104 00:06:31,657.17383333 --> 00:06:33,677.17483333 I don't have that imprint in my mind. 105 00:06:33,777.17383333 --> 00:06:35,397.17383333 This is a luxury. 106 00:06:35,397.17383333 --> 00:06:39,927.17383333 This is such a avenue for expression, for creative winemakers. 107 00:06:39,957.17383333 --> 00:06:42,857.17383333 That's different, a different era. 108 00:06:43,57.17383333 --> 00:06:48,887.17383333 I don't see you drinking on your off time and your after school time. 109 00:06:49,287.17383333 --> 00:06:52,847.17283333 You're not drinking a lot of Chardonnay, I have to be honest. 110 00:06:52,847.17383333 --> 00:06:53,187.17383333 Okay. 111 00:06:53,217.17383333 --> 00:06:56,567.17283333 You should tell the people that despite everything you've just said. 112 00:06:56,707.17283333 --> 00:06:59,7.17333333 Yeah, Here's the thing. 113 00:06:59,727.17433333 --> 00:07:01,187.17433333 Are you drinking in private? Yes. 114 00:07:02,497.17433333 --> 00:07:09,277.17433333 It's the bottle, it's the bottle or glass, usually the glass or two, that I am having in my office after teaching. 115 00:07:09,287.17333333 --> 00:07:09,627.17333333 Okay. 116 00:07:10,497.17333333 --> 00:07:11,327.17433333 That's what I'm doing. 117 00:07:11,397.17433333 --> 00:07:13,87.17433333 Okay, I don't go in there. 118 00:07:13,327.17333333 --> 00:07:15,427.17383333 No, nobody goes in there for good reason. 119 00:07:15,427.17383333 --> 00:07:21,827.17483333 It is just, my office is just like a three by five tiny little, yeah, nobody, yeah, no one needs to go in there. 120 00:07:21,977.17483333 --> 00:07:22,267.17483333 Okay. 121 00:07:22,307.17483333 --> 00:07:30,361.97483333 It's basically me, My autism and three large screens and right behind me is all of our storage for all our spirits. 122 00:07:30,361.97483333 --> 00:07:31,951.97383333 So I am just, it's just booze. 123 00:07:32,346.97483333 --> 00:07:37,556.97483333 And computer and that little old me and they're happiest can be with my Chardonnay. 124 00:07:37,556.97483333 --> 00:07:38,26.97483333 Yes. 125 00:07:38,186.97483333 --> 00:07:38,556.97483333 I will. 126 00:07:38,566.97483333 --> 00:07:40,126.97383333 That's what having, I'm not having it. 127 00:07:40,556.97483333 --> 00:07:40,886.97483333 Yeah. 128 00:07:40,976.97483333 --> 00:07:42,426.97483333 I just, I love that. 129 00:07:42,456.97483333 --> 00:07:44,856.97383333 I'm not, being slightly a super taster. 130 00:07:44,856.97483333 --> 00:07:51,656.97583333 I'm not having to think about, any bitter compounds or tannins, nothing, just pure otter. 131 00:07:51,976.97583333 --> 00:07:58,516.97583333 And oftentimes winemakers, that's where they, they just let their themselves just. 132 00:07:59,271.97583333 --> 00:08:00,71.97583333 Express. 133 00:08:00,351.97583333 --> 00:08:04,641.97583333 I'm just going to throw as much buttery, oaky deliciousness as possible. 134 00:08:04,641.97583333 --> 00:08:11,661.97483333 Make it as unctuous and fun and it's where you don't have to be serious, where you can just show off your skills. 135 00:08:12,11.97583333 --> 00:08:17,351.97633333 You know, it's doing a, it's Chardonnay is great Chardonnay is like doing a wheelie for a winemaker is look at me. 136 00:08:18,481.97633333 --> 00:08:22,561.97633333 And yeah, as they skid away, because, And Americans drink a lot of Chardonnay. 137 00:08:22,621.97633333 --> 00:08:22,801.97633333 Oh, huge. 138 00:08:22,801.97633333 --> 00:08:25,291.87633333 That is, it's hugely popular still. 139 00:08:25,351.87633333 --> 00:08:26,171.87633333 Oh, yeah. 140 00:08:26,631.87633333 --> 00:08:27,101.87633333 It is. 141 00:08:27,211.87633333 --> 00:08:27,841.87633333 But here's the thing. 142 00:08:27,841.87633333 --> 00:08:35,141.87633333 Most people, because, in the late 90s, early aughts, this term started being, showing up. 143 00:08:35,151.87533333 --> 00:08:38,401.87533333 And it really started, it did start showing up at the peak of Chardonnay. 144 00:08:38,421.87533333 --> 00:08:41,661.87533333 That was actually like in 99, 98. 145 00:08:41,701.87533333 --> 00:08:42,551.87533333 That was already here. 146 00:08:42,591.87533333 --> 00:08:43,781.87533333 And the term is ABC. 147 00:08:43,781.97533333 --> 00:08:44,541.87533333 Mm hmm. 148 00:08:44,611.87533333 --> 00:08:44,931.87533333 Mm hmm. 149 00:08:44,931.97533333 --> 00:08:44,946.77533333 Mm hmm. 150 00:08:46,116.87533333 --> 00:08:47,126.87533333 Oh, anything but Chardonnay. 151 00:08:47,176.87533333 --> 00:08:47,586.87533333 There we are. 152 00:08:47,606.87533333 --> 00:08:47,766.87533333 Yep. 153 00:08:48,36.87533333 --> 00:08:49,156.87533333 Anything but Chardonnay. 154 00:08:49,446.87533333 --> 00:08:56,816.87533333 And that has been a movement and largely things like this or when people say, I don't want to drink any, no fucking Merlot. 155 00:08:56,816.97533333 --> 00:09:04,476.87433333 Like when there's a phrase and people are being told consumers are being told, this may not be the most fancy of wines. 156 00:09:04,476.87433333 --> 00:09:04,836.87433333 Yes. 157 00:09:05,106.87533333 --> 00:09:06,726.87533333 And because people are really worried. 158 00:09:06,826.87533333 --> 00:09:07,356.87533333 Yeah. 159 00:09:07,446.87533333 --> 00:09:27,996.87533333 About, am I drinking something that people will, you Will think of me as being a rube or by sophisticated if i'm drinking saying i love chardonnay What is what do people think of you and that's really important is that? More and more people aren't drinking Chardonnay because it's not seen as being fancy enough. 160 00:09:29,91.87533333 --> 00:09:30,271.87533333 And that's at least what I've been seeing. 161 00:09:30,321.87533333 --> 00:09:31,631.87533333 I think that makes sense. 162 00:09:32,1.87633333 --> 00:09:36,951.87633333 Yeah I got into wine when ABC was a slogan that you would hear. 163 00:09:37,271.87633333 --> 00:09:45,251.87633333 And so probably naturally, I wasn't as curious about it as I would have been if I had a different viewpoint. 164 00:09:45,581.87633333 --> 00:09:48,691.87633333 So maybe, yeah, I probably didn't, we were starting. 165 00:09:49,41.87633333 --> 00:10:09,106.97633333 Behind the line instead of yeah, and I think that's good for a lot of things I'm like, it makes people want to go reach out finding more things Unfortunately, what they did was everyone who was drinking Chardonnay now drink Sauvignon Blanc because they thought that's you know, which now is not cool anymore so I don't know what people are going to go to next because, Pinot Grigio was never cool in this country. 166 00:10:09,166.97633333 --> 00:10:09,906.97633333 Oh my God. 167 00:10:09,966.97633333 --> 00:10:13,206.97633333 I can make a Pinot Grigio joke and everyone in class will laugh. 168 00:10:13,206.97633333 --> 00:10:13,526.97633333 Yes. 169 00:10:13,836.97633333 --> 00:10:14,956.97633333 Which is funny. 170 00:10:14,966.97633333 --> 00:10:15,106.97633333 Yes. 171 00:10:15,106.97633333 --> 00:10:19,206.97783333 Because I do use a box Pinot Grigio for cleaning our glasses and things. 172 00:10:19,726.97783333 --> 00:10:19,796.97783333 Yeah. 173 00:10:20,16.97783333 --> 00:10:20,46.97783333 Yes. 174 00:10:20,116.97783333 --> 00:10:38,116.97783333 But After wine school is proudly supported by the National Wine School, the gold standard, and professional wine certifications, whether you're dreaming of a career in the wine industry or just eager to take your wine knowledge to the next level, the National Wine School has you covered. 175 00:10:38,556.97783333 --> 00:10:43,926.97783333 Their programs are trusted, rigorous, and designed for aspiring wine pros like you. 176 00:10:46,346.97783333 --> 00:10:51,26.97783333 Visit Wine School us to learn more and start your journey today. 177 00:10:52,616.97783333 --> 00:10:57,276.97783333 Here's the danger and here's what we do in wine is we love something and then we hate it. 178 00:10:57,306.97783333 --> 00:10:57,556.97783333 And. 179 00:10:57,911.97783333 --> 00:11:01,271.97783333 We're human, so there are trends that come and go. 180 00:11:01,281.97783333 --> 00:11:01,721.97783333 That's true. 181 00:11:02,171.97783333 --> 00:11:08,131.97783333 But, it is terrible that people are freed to like certain things when you're starting out. 182 00:11:08,181.97783333 --> 00:11:09,251.97783333 You just don't know. 183 00:11:09,741.97683333 --> 00:11:15,861.97683333 So this was something when I met you, I had this background where nobody drank Chardonnay. 184 00:11:15,871.97683333 --> 00:11:19,121.87683333 It was all, to be honest, all red wine is what people drank. 185 00:11:19,381.87683333 --> 00:11:22,581.87683333 So just drinking white wine was a big move for me. 186 00:11:22,881.87683333 --> 00:11:30,741.77783333 And Chardonnay definitely But yeah, you had to I had to accept from you that this was acceptable. 187 00:11:30,741.77783333 --> 00:11:37,91.77783333 And my taste is such, I, it's not what I gravitate to but I know that it's respectable. 188 00:11:37,131.77683333 --> 00:11:40,311.77783333 It's absolutely something that people obsess over. 189 00:11:40,411.77683333 --> 00:11:41,401.77783333 Oh, absolutely. 190 00:11:41,691.77783333 --> 00:11:52,371.76354762 And cause it's funny, I don't, have you ever had it where like somebody in class trying to be fancy and they said they hate Chardonnay And then and then Yeah, and then they try it, a really good one that we have. 191 00:11:52,371.76354762 --> 00:11:54,401.76354762 And they're like, oh yeah, and they can admit they're wrong. 192 00:11:54,411.76354762 --> 00:12:03,611.76304762 I love seeing that, but also sometimes there's some, that person who says they hate Chardonnay but, and then they say my favorite wine is Montrachet or my favorite wine is from the Macon. 193 00:12:03,861.76404762 --> 00:12:07,181.76204762 And you're like, that's Chardonnay you probably treat them much nicer than I do. 194 00:12:07,191.76204762 --> 00:12:09,311.76204762 I'm like, I'm always like, bro. 195 00:12:09,801.76204762 --> 00:12:10,761.76204762 That's Chardonnay. 196 00:12:11,711.76204762 --> 00:12:12,711.76204762 It is always a bro. 197 00:12:13,461.76204762 --> 00:12:16,431.66204762 I hate to admit that, but yeah. 198 00:12:16,431.76204762 --> 00:12:28,71.76104762 Yeah, so I, for me, I would say the biggest issue I have with Chardonnay done in that Cali style is that I don't know when to drink it. 199 00:12:28,501.76104762 --> 00:12:32,801.76204762 It's not food friendly with all the oak and the higher alcohol. 200 00:12:32,831.76204762 --> 00:12:37,521.76204762 It doesn't, for me, it doesn't play well with things that I typically eat. 201 00:12:37,861.76204762 --> 00:12:38,801.76204762 Okay, so here. 202 00:12:40,256.76204762 --> 00:12:43,816.76204762 You have to think of that big california style let's define this. 203 00:12:43,826.76204762 --> 00:12:44,226.76204762 Yes. 204 00:12:44,236.76204762 --> 00:12:48,291.76204762 So california style is it's going to be really intensely oaks. 205 00:12:48,301.76204762 --> 00:12:52,561.76204762 So that flavors like cinnamon, nutmeg and vanilla are going to be really prevalent. 206 00:12:53,31.76204762 --> 00:12:57,241.76204762 It's going to go through probably almost full metal lactic fermentation. 207 00:12:57,261.76204762 --> 00:13:04,181.76104762 So meaning that you are going to have a very distinct buttery note but you're also going to have it's going to be creamy. 208 00:13:04,341.76204762 --> 00:13:12,981.76154762 So like you're going to have this, and it's most likely, cause Cal, in California, it's most likely going to be hitting that 15 percent alcohol. 209 00:13:12,981.76154762 --> 00:13:15,991.76204762 So it's gonna be really almost really full bodied and unctuous. 210 00:13:17,376.76204762 --> 00:13:35,666.76054762 So we layer on that, we layer on creamy vanilla, there's going to be a caramel flavor as well from the oak merging with the mallow y goodness in there as well, and you're going to have this wonderful cooked apple and cinnamon and spices and all, and creaminess. 211 00:13:36,216.76054762 --> 00:13:38,6.76054762 It's basically just apple pie. 212 00:13:38,446.76054762 --> 00:13:38,596.76054762 Yeah. 213 00:13:39,126.76054762 --> 00:13:40,326.76054762 It's a slice of apple pie. 214 00:13:40,396.76054762 --> 00:13:40,956.76054762 Yeah. 215 00:13:41,26.76054762 --> 00:13:41,976.76054762 And, no. 216 00:13:42,771.76054762 --> 00:13:44,781.76054762 You like apple pie, right? Not really. 217 00:13:44,811.76054762 --> 00:13:45,521.76054762 Oh my god. 218 00:13:45,531.76054762 --> 00:13:47,821.76054762 It's not, it, by far, it is not my favorite. 219 00:13:47,981.76054762 --> 00:13:50,151.76054762 Now, I do love the tart tantan. 220 00:13:50,291.76054762 --> 00:13:51,751.76054762 Yeah, oh, you are such a snob. 221 00:13:51,791.76054762 --> 00:13:52,371.76054762 Oh my god. 222 00:13:55,121.76054762 --> 00:13:59,541.75954762 I'm just, yeah alright, I'm, okay, so what this, we're changing it? I'm not saying anything else. 223 00:13:59,551.75954762 --> 00:14:04,31.76054762 We're changing this? We're changing this? This is, Keith, America, fuck yeah with Keith. 224 00:14:04,601.76054762 --> 00:14:04,621.76054762 Yeah. 225 00:14:08,301.76054762 --> 00:14:09,781.76054762 And the traders with guana. 226 00:14:09,781.76054762 --> 00:14:14,571.76054762 Yeah, Yeah yeah I actually, this makes sense though, because I love those flavors. 227 00:14:14,571.76054762 --> 00:14:21,281.76054762 I grew up eating my grandmother's apple pie and it was like all from scratch and all these flavors. 228 00:14:21,671.76054762 --> 00:14:23,151.76054762 And it is, so I. 229 00:14:24,121.76154762 --> 00:14:30,301.76154762 I drank Chardonnay in moments that I would eat an apple pie, like a slice of apple pie. 230 00:14:30,311.76154762 --> 00:14:31,381.76154762 That's where it is. 231 00:14:31,401.76154762 --> 00:14:32,441.76154762 Like a big scoop of vanilla. 232 00:14:32,521.76154762 --> 00:14:32,971.76154762 It is. 233 00:14:33,121.76154762 --> 00:14:33,731.76154762 It's indulgent. 234 00:14:33,741.76154762 --> 00:14:33,981.76154762 Yeah. 235 00:14:33,991.76154762 --> 00:14:34,371.76154762 It's indulgent. 236 00:14:34,391.76154762 --> 00:14:38,871.76054762 So it's gonna be, in fact, after I teach a class or, at night. 237 00:14:39,1.76154762 --> 00:14:47,301.76154762 Instead of having a, like a big monster red wine, like a Zinn, it's just, it's a, it's the wine that you can enjoy and just turn your brain off. 238 00:14:47,351.76154762 --> 00:14:48,41.66154762 Bloop bloop, bloop. 239 00:14:48,131.66154762 --> 00:14:53,591.66054762 And it is that, it's, it is for me, those Cali Chardonnays are desserts. 240 00:14:54,141.66054762 --> 00:15:02,171.66154762 But then when you get the better ones, like when you really get ones that are artistically made maybe like the way I love making them is actually you fermenting them in oak. 241 00:15:02,951.66154762 --> 00:15:18,901.66154762 But then not letting them go through mallow so that they and then aging in barrel again, so that you have all these wonderful green spicy notes, but bright freshness, like I love that, I love making wine like that, but yeah, that's, that, that's rare. 242 00:15:19,551.66154762 --> 00:15:24,261.66154762 And I can understand why people don't enjoy it, but think of it as apple pie. 243 00:15:24,391.66154762 --> 00:15:29,541.66154762 As just, and it's great, because to be honest, I don't eat dessert that much anymore. 244 00:15:29,551.66154762 --> 00:15:29,891.66154762 Yeah. 245 00:15:30,111.66154762 --> 00:15:31,41.66154762 I really don't. 246 00:15:31,121.66154762 --> 00:15:40,721.66054762 I'm at that age where, it's not, so I am, instead of having that glass of Big Butter Chardonnay actually does, I have an apple pie shaped hole in my heart. 247 00:15:42,221.66154762 --> 00:15:42,961.66154762 And it fills it. 248 00:15:43,111.66154762 --> 00:15:51,831.66154762 Okay, let's, let's fill that apple pie shaped hole in your heart with, we do have some delicious Chardonnay. 249 00:15:51,861.66154762 --> 00:15:56,361.66154762 But here's the thing is, this is my even more more favorite. 250 00:15:56,361.66154762 --> 00:15:57,951.66154762 My, I enjoy even more. 251 00:15:57,961.66154762 --> 00:16:01,1.66154762 This is actually white burgundy, which I truly love. 252 00:16:01,61.66154762 --> 00:16:06,581.66154762 And we already showed them the label, right? I don't know, but yeah, here, but let me just show it again here. 253 00:16:06,581.66154762 --> 00:16:07,281.66154762 This time I'll do it. 254 00:16:07,946.66154762 --> 00:16:08,881.56154762 Woo. 255 00:16:08,881.66154762 --> 00:16:09,481.66054762 There we go. 256 00:16:09,671.66154762 --> 00:16:13,344.16154762 Showing that to the folks who are watching and for those of you who are listening. 257 00:16:13,404.16154762 --> 00:16:13,734.16154762 Thank you. 258 00:16:14,64.16154762 --> 00:16:15,504.16154762 She's handing a lot of her glass. 259 00:16:15,524.16154762 --> 00:16:17,864.16154762 I'm gonna hand, grab my glass. 260 00:16:18,434.16154762 --> 00:16:19,354.16154762 Cheers folks. 261 00:16:19,844.16154762 --> 00:16:27,144.16204762 And first off the color of this wine, the color is just perfect and golden. 262 00:16:27,774.16104762 --> 00:16:31,344.16104762 And when I'm swirling in my glass, I can see the viscousness. 263 00:16:31,354.16104762 --> 00:16:32,114.16104762 It actually is. 264 00:16:32,744.16204762 --> 00:16:33,324.16204762 Yeah. 265 00:16:34,94.16204762 --> 00:16:42,714.1620476 It's swirling in a way that tell, yeah, is and this, That this is actually pretty I, surprisingly, it's probably a little high in alcohol for white burgundy. 266 00:16:43,124.1620476 --> 00:16:44,144.1620476 But this is the south. 267 00:16:44,224.1620476 --> 00:16:45,284.1620476 This is southern burgundy. 268 00:16:45,294.1620476 --> 00:16:45,954.1620476 Exactly. 269 00:16:45,954.1620476 --> 00:16:46,244.1620476 Yep. 270 00:16:46,514.1620476 --> 00:16:51,484.1630476 And I want, in that color, that nice, rich golden hue. 271 00:16:51,754.1620476 --> 00:17:00,164.1615476 That is telling me that One, it might have some skin contact slightly because Chardonnay when harvested exactly perfectly, it's brownish. 272 00:17:00,174.1615476 --> 00:17:00,984.1615476 It's really ugly. 273 00:17:01,4.1615476 --> 00:17:03,234.1605476 When Chardonnay turns ugly, it's ready to be harvested. 274 00:17:03,254.1615476 --> 00:17:03,894.1615476 It's weird. 275 00:17:04,384.1615476 --> 00:17:05,54.1610476 It's very weird. 276 00:17:05,54.1610476 --> 00:17:08,464.1615476 But then we also have but also that's telling me there's a lot of oak in that too. 277 00:17:08,494.1605476 --> 00:17:09,864.1615476 That nice golden hue. 278 00:17:10,324.1615476 --> 00:17:13,254.1615476 But when you stick your nose in it, what do you get? I do get. 279 00:17:13,664.1615476 --> 00:17:14,824.1615476 Big ripe apples. 280 00:17:14,884.1615476 --> 00:17:16,244.1615476 Oh yes. 281 00:17:17,514.1615476 --> 00:17:19,764.1615476 Big ripe apple, like crunchy apples. 282 00:17:20,54.1615476 --> 00:17:22,24.1615476 There's a floral note in there too. 283 00:17:22,464.1615476 --> 00:17:23,154.1615476 Oh, okay. 284 00:17:23,214.1615476 --> 00:17:25,244.1615476 You know what? I know what you would call that. 285 00:17:26,94.1605476 --> 00:17:30,244.1610476 I would just say floral, but I know that is more of an apple blossom note. 286 00:17:30,564.1610476 --> 00:17:32,224.1610476 Cause, and I learned that from you. 287 00:17:32,264.1620476 --> 00:17:33,934.1610476 I learned that, that phrase from you. 288 00:17:33,934.1610476 --> 00:17:34,194.1610476 Yeah. 289 00:17:34,194.1610476 --> 00:17:35,604.1620476 Cause there is a very distinct. 290 00:17:35,914.1620476 --> 00:17:36,434.1620476 It's white. 291 00:17:36,434.1620476 --> 00:17:40,814.1620476 It's in the white floral family, but it's got that orchard fruit. 292 00:17:41,364.1610476 --> 00:17:42,214.1620476 Oh yeah. 293 00:17:42,734.1620476 --> 00:17:42,954.1620476 In. 294 00:17:43,339.1620476 --> 00:18:03,589.1640476 Right off the bat, I'm not getting that much, Oak notes, like not, it's not intensely cinnamon or nutmeg, but there is a subtle allspice in the background, which I really and which is, they're using, they're probably not using much new oak or they're using like second season, third season oak to give it just a some, just a little bit of flavor. 295 00:18:03,939.1640476 --> 00:18:05,389.1640476 And it's going to be French oak being in. 296 00:18:05,459.1640476 --> 00:18:06,309.1640476 Oh, of course. 297 00:18:06,319.1640476 --> 00:18:07,199.1640476 It's always French oak. 298 00:18:07,209.1640476 --> 00:18:07,599.1640476 Nothing. 299 00:18:08,199.1640476 --> 00:18:08,899.1640476 Everything is. 300 00:18:09,114.1640476 --> 00:18:14,404.1640476 Unless you're, what you're smelling smells like a the dumbest version of oak ever, it's going to be French oak. 301 00:18:14,464.1640476 --> 00:18:16,584.1640476 Like American oak just smells dumb. 302 00:18:17,44.1640476 --> 00:18:23,134.1640476 I love it because I love, that's, you put your whiskey in American oak, you put your wine in French. 303 00:18:23,234.1650476 --> 00:18:25,934.1660476 That's one of my hard lines, unless I'm teaching students. 304 00:18:26,354.1660476 --> 00:18:29,874.1660476 And if I'm teaching people who are, like they're brand new I'll use French oak. 305 00:18:29,964.1660476 --> 00:18:30,154.1660476 Sorry. 306 00:18:30,154.1660476 --> 00:18:32,774.1660476 I'll use American oak because that hides all kinds of sins. 307 00:18:32,814.1650476 --> 00:18:38,669.1660476 Like it just, that all that, Chocolate and There's lots of minerality on this as well. 308 00:18:38,679.1660476 --> 00:18:39,739.1660476 Oh, you're right. 309 00:18:39,769.1660476 --> 00:18:40,489.1660476 There really is. 310 00:18:40,489.1660476 --> 00:18:44,9.1660476 That's wonderful There's yeah a little bit of crushed oyster shell in there, too. 311 00:18:44,9.1660476 --> 00:18:44,849.1650476 That's really nice. 312 00:18:45,59.1660476 --> 00:18:48,719.1660476 All right, I want to taste this Let's do it and warning a phony a warning. 313 00:18:48,769.1660476 --> 00:18:50,129.1660476 Yeah, lurping ahead. 314 00:18:54,369.1660476 --> 00:18:55,209.1660476 I'm a professional. 315 00:18:55,839.1660476 --> 00:18:58,299.0650476 Oh, I Right. 316 00:18:58,299.1650476 --> 00:18:59,599.1650476 Yes, Okay. 317 00:18:59,799.1650476 --> 00:19:02,374.1660476 I okay Thank you. 318 00:19:02,514.1660476 --> 00:19:03,24.1660476 Thank you. 319 00:19:03,74.1660476 --> 00:19:09,484.1660476 Okay, because you don't just have the, you have the orchard fruit, you have your apple, but what else is going on here? You also have acid. 320 00:19:10,34.1660476 --> 00:19:10,904.1660476 Yes. 321 00:19:11,364.1650476 --> 00:19:11,834.1650476 Yes. 322 00:19:12,24.1660476 --> 00:19:14,354.1650476 They're playing with acid, right? It's bright fresh. 323 00:19:14,354.1660476 --> 00:19:16,224.1660476 It's actually medium to high acid here. 324 00:19:17,554.1650476 --> 00:19:21,794.1680476 And it's actually medium bodied, it's really, oh, it's balanced. 325 00:19:21,794.1680476 --> 00:19:41,639.1670476 But then what's underneath that? What's around that? So you have that orchard fruit, and then, You have just the slightest bit of creamy underneath, you don't notice it you have this wonderful, elegant, I said, that little bit of caramel creeping in, a little floral notes going through, rich, complex. 326 00:19:41,639.1680476 --> 00:19:44,699.1680476 I'm gonna share a little bit of my 80s childhood reference. 327 00:19:44,709.1670476 --> 00:19:49,894.1680476 Oh! It's a little bit of a creamsicle, a little bit of an orange creamsicle. 328 00:19:49,924.1680476 --> 00:19:50,304.1680476 Okay. 329 00:19:50,314.1680476 --> 00:19:51,284.1680476 I'm sorry to say. 330 00:19:51,304.1680476 --> 00:19:51,634.1680476 Yeah. 331 00:19:52,34.1680476 --> 00:19:55,174.1680476 That, I love orange creamsicle and it's just a little bit. 332 00:19:55,234.1680476 --> 00:19:58,464.1670476 Oh what's wrong with creamsicles? I feel like you would hate creamsicles. 333 00:19:58,504.1680476 --> 00:20:01,474.0685476 No, see, I grew up with sherbert and so creamsicle. 334 00:20:01,474.1685476 --> 00:20:02,124.1680476 Yeah, exactly. 335 00:20:02,124.1680476 --> 00:20:02,324.1675476 Yeah. 336 00:20:02,324.1685476 --> 00:20:02,664.1685476 I know. 337 00:20:02,674.1685476 --> 00:20:03,74.1685476 I know. 338 00:20:03,74.1685476 --> 00:20:11,414.1685476 I, yeah, but so yeah, so I remember the first time I had a creamsicle, it was such an upgrade to what I do. 339 00:20:11,584.1685476 --> 00:20:14,454.0685476 I'm so sorry to hear it. 340 00:20:14,684.1685476 --> 00:20:15,619.2185476 Yeah, this is what it is. 341 00:20:15,619.3185476 --> 00:20:17,839.251881 But this is, yeah, this is stunning. 342 00:20:18,329.251881 --> 00:20:19,149.251881 This is beautiful. 343 00:20:19,489.2518809 --> 00:20:23,799.2518809 So yeah, in throughout the Mekong, it's such a great place. 344 00:20:24,389.2518809 --> 00:20:28,664.1528809 So many wine regions that are up and coming and really, cause they're really competing with each other. 345 00:20:29,264.2528809 --> 00:20:51,784.452881 A little bit in the north, like things like Montrachet, they're competing with them at a much lower price point and things like, the Puy Fusay, this town, there's so many other amazing wine regions here that are, and some I just called Macon, and I really love this area for really good values and a lot of very traditional winemaking. 346 00:20:52,214.452881 --> 00:20:53,344.452881 That's really important. 347 00:20:53,344.452881 --> 00:20:58,964.4528809 And we see some of the Like Domaine Jouan who does great work, high end, low end, middle of the road. 348 00:20:59,294.4528809 --> 00:21:08,864.4528809 So this is one of those negotiations that I really like they're producing some exceptional wines that are actually reasonably priced, which is when you talk about Burgundy, it's very rare. 349 00:21:08,964.4518809 --> 00:21:09,454.4518809 Yes. 350 00:21:09,534.4518809 --> 00:21:09,794.4518809 Yeah. 351 00:21:09,894.4518809 --> 00:21:10,154.4518809 Yeah. 352 00:21:10,154.4518809 --> 00:21:11,524.4513809 So have I, no, you're not. 353 00:21:11,524.5513809 --> 00:21:12,234.3513809 You're not. 354 00:21:12,234.4513809 --> 00:21:13,504.4513809 You're never gonna love Chardonnay like I do. 355 00:21:13,534.4513809 --> 00:21:14,834.4513809 I'm never gonna love it like you do. 356 00:21:14,854.4513809 --> 00:21:15,884.4513809 No, absolutely not. 357 00:21:15,884.4513809 --> 00:21:19,584.4513809 I don't have an apple pie shaped hole in my heart. 358 00:21:23,104.4513809 --> 00:21:24,24.4513809 I just don't. 359 00:21:24,34.4513809 --> 00:21:26,564.4503809 But this was wonderful and I think that was a lot of fun. 360 00:21:26,614.4513809 --> 00:21:27,314.4508809 This is delicious. 361 00:21:27,639.4518809 --> 00:21:30,169.4518809 Oh my god, I'm, yeah, I'm staying in Chardonnay. 362 00:21:30,279.4518809 --> 00:21:30,559.4518809 Okay. 363 00:21:30,889.4518809 --> 00:21:32,819.4518809 I'm gonna repeat this podcast over and over again. 364 00:21:33,364.451881 --> 00:21:35,499.4518809 I'll help you finish this, that's for sure. 365 00:21:35,529.4518809 --> 00:21:35,919.4518809 Okay. 366 00:21:36,539.4518809 --> 00:21:37,759.4518809 All right, it was great having you. 367 00:21:37,759.4518809 --> 00:21:38,549.4518809 Thanks everyone. 368 00:21:38,549.4518809 --> 00:21:38,979.4518809 Cheers. 369 00:21:38,999.4518809 --> 00:21:39,159.4518809 Cheers. 370 00:21:39,459.4518809 --> 00:21:42,639.4508809 Share this subscribe, whatever, tell people, please. 371 00:21:43,389.4508809 --> 00:21:43,649.4508809 Bye. 372 00:21:44,179.4508809 --> 00:21:44,539.4508809 Cheers. 373 00:21:50,919.4518809 --> 00:21:53,899.4518809 Thanks for spending time with us on After Wine School. 374 00:21:54,439.4518809 --> 00:22:01,549.4508809 If you enjoyed today's episode, hit subscribe so you never miss out on more wine wisdom, tips, and laughs.
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Today's topic is Chardonnay versus the world Chardonnay versus the haters.
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We're also going to, at the end of class, end of, kind of class, end of the podcast, we are going to taste an awesome Chardonnay.
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This one is actually from Southern Burgundy, Alana, do you want to show it off? I would love to, Keith. 15 00:01:16,660.999 --> 00:01:21,541 It's the Domaine Duran Puy Venzel from the Mekong.
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Awesome.
So who are we? My name's Alana Zerbe.
I am the Director of Education at the Wine School of Philadelphia, and This is I'm Keith Wallace.
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Oh, that's awesome.
Basically the note was Keith talks a lot of shit.
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Can you make him stop? Legal, legal does not want to deal with Keith. 31 00:02:26,456.1 --> 00:02:26,686 Keith.
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They never have.
Oh, no, they don't.
If I was anybody else in my position, they'd be very happy, but they would be also unemployed.
Sure. 37 00:02:37,545.999 --> 00:02:43,206 But you do bring, you bring a lot of knowledge and you bring a lot of love for chardonnay.
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Okay. 39 00:02:43,775.999 --> 00:02:44,345.999 That's true.
Here's the thing. 41 00:02:45,176.1 --> 00:02:48,586 I love it in a way.
So let's just put context here.
I grew up in.
The 69, so let's not say that, but you know, I'm a kid in the 70s, I, I'm growing up. 45 00:03:02,576.1 --> 00:03:03,686.1 It's the 80s. 46 00:03:03,726.1 --> 00:03:04,706.1 It's a wee Keith. 47 00:03:04,766.1 --> 00:03:05,986.1 It's a little Keith, right? A little. 48 00:03:06,146.1 --> 00:03:08,416 So just imagine I'm still wearing a suit.
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.999Oh, it's same size, but I'm like a weeble.
I can barely, I can't hold my head up.
I have to carry it around, on a, it's own head cot, just carry it around and yeah, and I, but I actually was, I had this beard and so just picture this, yeah, but I was, but also, but I was in diapers until I was 10. 53 00:03:28,85.999 --> 00:03:32,446.03333333 So I, so just had that picture, just, everyone, everyone just lost their lunch. 54 00:03:32,546.03333333 --> 00:03:33,986.03333333 No, I'm just a normal kid. 55 00:03:34,16.03333333 --> 00:03:34,986.03333333 I was just a normal kid. 56 00:03:35,316.03333333 --> 00:03:36,186.03333333 I played football. 57 00:03:36,336.03333333 --> 00:03:37,236.03333333 I was in the Boy Scouts. 58 00:03:37,286.03333333 --> 00:03:37,926.03333333 I was fine. 59 00:03:38,426.03333333 --> 00:03:54,596.03333333 Growing up at this point and be, and then like becoming a chef and then, at this time learning about food and wine growing up, into my, my early teens, cause yeah, I started the restaurant industry very early trying wines very early. 60 00:03:54,596.03333333 --> 00:03:55,246.03233333 But then. 61 00:03:57,216.03433333 --> 00:03:58,106.03433333 Chardonnay was everywhere. 62 00:03:58,376.03433333 --> 00:03:59,85.93433333 Everyone loved Chardonnay. 63 00:03:59,86.03433333 --> 00:04:04,716.03433333 Chardonnay was the one wine that everyone could agree on, specifically white burgundy. 64 00:04:04,726.03433333 --> 00:04:08,486.03433333 But but California these big buttery styles were coming in. 65 00:04:08,496.03433333 --> 00:04:09,666.03333333 Vogue as well. 66 00:04:10,206.03333333 --> 00:04:13,546.03433333 This is when brie was like the best thing you ever had. 67 00:04:14,36.03333333 --> 00:04:15,226.03333333 Baked brie. 68 00:04:15,366.03333333 --> 00:04:16,206.03333333 Yeah, brie and crude. 69 00:04:16,246.03333333 --> 00:04:17,116.03333333 Oh my God. 70 00:04:17,746.03333333 --> 00:04:22,756.03333333 That is, to this day though, if I ever want anybody to love me, I will give them Brian Crute. 71 00:04:22,806.03333333 --> 00:04:23,946.03333333 With a little bit of jam. 72 00:04:24,76.03333333 --> 00:04:25,226.03333333 I will never turn it down. 73 00:04:25,236.03333333 --> 00:04:25,496.03333333 No. 74 00:04:25,716.03333333 --> 00:04:26,136.03333333 Never. 75 00:04:26,186.03333333 --> 00:04:26,316.03333333 I do. 76 00:04:26,946.03333333 --> 00:04:27,376.03333333 No. 77 00:04:27,686.03333333 --> 00:04:28,96.03333333 No. 78 00:04:28,146.03333333 --> 00:04:39,236.03333333 I have actually, there's a dude who is a, this old, mean old dude from West Virginia and I gave him, and I've never seen him happy and I actually saw a smile on his face. 79 00:04:39,296.03333333 --> 00:04:43,836.03333333 It actually, it looked like rictus cause it, you never saw it on that, that, that mean old coot's face. 80 00:04:43,836.03333333 --> 00:04:44,436.03333333 But anyways. 81 00:04:44,436.03333333 --> 00:04:44,656.03333333 Yeah. 82 00:04:44,656.13333333 --> 00:04:44,683.58333333 Yeah. 83 00:04:44,683.58333333 --> 00:04:44,711.03333333 Yeah. 84 00:04:45,6.03333333 --> 00:05:00,396.03233333 There you go, but anyways, yeah, so that okay, so this is the setting and so when I became a winemaker, it was still very much in vogue and I love, so Chardonnay has everything a winemaker wants. 85 00:05:00,856.03333333 --> 00:05:05,306.03283333 If there's a, yeah, because it's, it, you can do so many things with it. 86 00:05:05,406.03383333 --> 00:05:05,706.03383333 Okay. 87 00:05:05,776.03383333 --> 00:05:15,336.03383333 It really shows off your talent, really shows off how good you are because everything from flavor to textures. 88 00:05:15,591.03383333 --> 00:05:21,801.03383333 To any element that's there is really introduced by the winemaker. 89 00:05:21,841.03383333 --> 00:05:25,611.03383333 It's really is, I described Chardonnay as the tofu of the wine world. 90 00:05:25,611.13383333 --> 00:05:26,596.03383333 Ha, okay. 91 00:05:26,646.13383333 --> 00:05:31,176.13483333 Okay, but you think about it, it's not but, if you are great, if you are, tofu can be great. 92 00:05:31,306.13483333 --> 00:05:31,786.13483333 Absolutely. 93 00:05:32,276.13483333 --> 00:05:48,436.13483333 You think about Mapa tofu and dishes like that and so many great Asian dishes, Chinese dishes, specifically Szechuan, hyper specifically, or, you start with the most bland thing element and create wonderful flavors. 94 00:05:48,866.13483333 --> 00:05:51,476.13483333 So as a winemaker, I love making Chardonnay. 95 00:05:51,476.13483333 --> 00:06:08,191.13483333 Now, I also just, if I just don't want to think about varietal fingerprints, if I don't want to think about too deeply about my wine and just have this moment of just pure luxury, that's what I want. 96 00:06:08,731.13483333 --> 00:06:11,241.13583333 Really? That's what I really want that. 97 00:06:11,531.13483333 --> 00:06:15,87.07483333 Because it just allows me to sink into a winemaker's skill. 98 00:06:15,247.17483333 --> 00:06:20,917.17483333 And, or even just just fall into that big, buttery, dumb, happy place. 99 00:06:21,647.17483333 --> 00:06:23,157.17483333 But I'm going to point something out, Keith. 100 00:06:23,377.17383333 --> 00:06:23,397.17383333 Yeah. 101 00:06:23,657.17483333 --> 00:06:27,557.17483333 Now, this is basically you and Chardonnay against the world. 102 00:06:27,657.17483333 --> 00:06:28,37.17483333 Yes. 103 00:06:28,137.17483333 --> 00:06:31,127.17383333 Not really, but Pretty close, though, these days. 104 00:06:31,657.17383333 --> 00:06:33,677.17483333 I don't have that imprint in my mind. 105 00:06:33,777.17383333 --> 00:06:35,397.17383333 This is a luxury. 106 00:06:35,397.17383333 --> 00:06:39,927.17383333 This is such a avenue for expression, for creative winemakers. 107 00:06:39,957.17383333 --> 00:06:42,857.17383333 That's different, a different era. 108 00:06:43,57.17383333 --> 00:06:48,887.17383333 I don't see you drinking on your off time and your after school time. 109 00:06:49,287.17383333 --> 00:06:52,847.17283333 You're not drinking a lot of Chardonnay, I have to be honest. 110 00:06:52,847.17383333 --> 00:06:53,187.17383333 Okay. 111 00:06:53,217.17383333 --> 00:06:56,567.17283333 You should tell the people that despite everything you've just said. 112 00:06:56,707.17283333 --> 00:06:59,7.17333333 Yeah, Here's the thing. 113 00:06:59,727.17433333 --> 00:07:01,187.17433333 Are you drinking in private? Yes. 114 00:07:02,497.17433333 --> 00:07:09,277.17433333 It's the bottle, it's the bottle or glass, usually the glass or two, that I am having in my office after teaching. 115 00:07:09,287.17333333 --> 00:07:09,627.17333333 Okay. 116 00:07:10,497.17333333 --> 00:07:11,327.17433333 That's what I'm doing. 117 00:07:11,397.17433333 --> 00:07:13,87.17433333 Okay, I don't go in there. 118 00:07:13,327.17333333 --> 00:07:15,427.17383333 No, nobody goes in there for good reason. 119 00:07:15,427.17383333 --> 00:07:21,827.17483333 It is just, my office is just like a three by five tiny little, yeah, nobody, yeah, no one needs to go in there. 120 00:07:21,977.17483333 --> 00:07:22,267.17483333 Okay. 121 00:07:22,307.17483333 --> 00:07:30,361.97483333 It's basically me, My autism and three large screens and right behind me is all of our storage for all our spirits. 122 00:07:30,361.97483333 --> 00:07:31,951.97383333 So I am just, it's just booze. 123 00:07:32,346.97483333 --> 00:07:37,556.97483333 And computer and that little old me and they're happiest can be with my Chardonnay. 124 00:07:37,556.97483333 --> 00:07:38,26.97483333 Yes. 125 00:07:38,186.97483333 --> 00:07:38,556.97483333 I will. 126 00:07:38,566.97483333 --> 00:07:40,126.97383333 That's what having, I'm not having it. 127 00:07:40,556.97483333 --> 00:07:40,886.97483333 Yeah. 128 00:07:40,976.97483333 --> 00:07:42,426.97483333 I just, I love that. 129 00:07:42,456.97483333 --> 00:07:44,856.97383333 I'm not, being slightly a super taster. 130 00:07:44,856.97483333 --> 00:07:51,656.97583333 I'm not having to think about, any bitter compounds or tannins, nothing, just pure otter. 131 00:07:51,976.97583333 --> 00:07:58,516.97583333 And oftentimes winemakers, that's where they, they just let their themselves just. 132 00:07:59,271.97583333 --> 00:08:00,71.97583333 Express. 133 00:08:00,351.97583333 --> 00:08:04,641.97583333 I'm just going to throw as much buttery, oaky deliciousness as possible. 134 00:08:04,641.97583333 --> 00:08:11,661.97483333 Make it as unctuous and fun and it's where you don't have to be serious, where you can just show off your skills. 135 00:08:12,11.97583333 --> 00:08:17,351.97633333 You know, it's doing a, it's Chardonnay is great Chardonnay is like doing a wheelie for a winemaker is look at me. 136 00:08:18,481.97633333 --> 00:08:22,561.97633333 And yeah, as they skid away, because, And Americans drink a lot of Chardonnay. 137 00:08:22,621.97633333 --> 00:08:22,801.97633333 Oh, huge. 138 00:08:22,801.97633333 --> 00:08:25,291.87633333 That is, it's hugely popular still. 139 00:08:25,351.87633333 --> 00:08:26,171.87633333 Oh, yeah. 140 00:08:26,631.87633333 --> 00:08:27,101.87633333 It is. 141 00:08:27,211.87633333 --> 00:08:27,841.87633333 But here's the thing. 142 00:08:27,841.87633333 --> 00:08:35,141.87633333 Most people, because, in the late 90s, early aughts, this term started being, showing up. 143 00:08:35,151.87533333 --> 00:08:38,401.87533333 And it really started, it did start showing up at the peak of Chardonnay. 144 00:08:38,421.87533333 --> 00:08:41,661.87533333 That was actually like in 99, 98. 145 00:08:41,701.87533333 --> 00:08:42,551.87533333 That was already here. 146 00:08:42,591.87533333 --> 00:08:43,781.87533333 And the term is ABC. 147 00:08:43,781.97533333 --> 00:08:44,541.87533333 Mm hmm. 148 00:08:44,611.87533333 --> 00:08:44,931.87533333 Mm hmm. 149 00:08:44,931.97533333 --> 00:08:44,946.77533333 Mm hmm. 150 00:08:46,116.87533333 --> 00:08:47,126.87533333 Oh, anything but Chardonnay. 151 00:08:47,176.87533333 --> 00:08:47,586.87533333 There we are. 152 00:08:47,606.87533333 --> 00:08:47,766.87533333 Yep. 153 00:08:48,36.87533333 --> 00:08:49,156.87533333 Anything but Chardonnay. 154 00:08:49,446.87533333 --> 00:08:56,816.87533333 And that has been a movement and largely things like this or when people say, I don't want to drink any, no fucking Merlot. 155 00:08:56,816.97533333 --> 00:09:04,476.87433333 Like when there's a phrase and people are being told consumers are being told, this may not be the most fancy of wines. 156 00:09:04,476.87433333 --> 00:09:04,836.87433333 Yes. 157 00:09:05,106.87533333 --> 00:09:06,726.87533333 And because people are really worried. 158 00:09:06,826.87533333 --> 00:09:07,356.87533333 Yeah. 159 00:09:07,446.87533333 --> 00:09:27,996.87533333 About, am I drinking something that people will, you Will think of me as being a rube or by sophisticated if i'm drinking saying i love chardonnay What is what do people think of you and that's really important is that? More and more people aren't drinking Chardonnay because it's not seen as being fancy enough. 160 00:09:29,91.87533333 --> 00:09:30,271.87533333 And that's at least what I've been seeing. 161 00:09:30,321.87533333 --> 00:09:31,631.87533333 I think that makes sense. 162 00:09:32,1.87633333 --> 00:09:36,951.87633333 Yeah I got into wine when ABC was a slogan that you would hear. 163 00:09:37,271.87633333 --> 00:09:45,251.87633333 And so probably naturally, I wasn't as curious about it as I would have been if I had a different viewpoint. 164 00:09:45,581.87633333 --> 00:09:48,691.87633333 So maybe, yeah, I probably didn't, we were starting. 165 00:09:49,41.87633333 --> 00:10:09,106.97633333 Behind the line instead of yeah, and I think that's good for a lot of things I'm like, it makes people want to go reach out finding more things Unfortunately, what they did was everyone who was drinking Chardonnay now drink Sauvignon Blanc because they thought that's you know, which now is not cool anymore so I don't know what people are going to go to next because, Pinot Grigio was never cool in this country. 166 00:10:09,166.97633333 --> 00:10:09,906.97633333 Oh my God. 167 00:10:09,966.97633333 --> 00:10:13,206.97633333 I can make a Pinot Grigio joke and everyone in class will laugh. 168 00:10:13,206.97633333 --> 00:10:13,526.97633333 Yes. 169 00:10:13,836.97633333 --> 00:10:14,956.97633333 Which is funny. 170 00:10:14,966.97633333 --> 00:10:15,106.97633333 Yes. 171 00:10:15,106.97633333 --> 00:10:19,206.97783333 Because I do use a box Pinot Grigio for cleaning our glasses and things. 172 00:10:19,726.97783333 --> 00:10:19,796.97783333 Yeah. 173 00:10:20,16.97783333 --> 00:10:20,46.97783333 Yes. 174 00:10:20,116.97783333 --> 00:10:38,116.97783333 But After wine school is proudly supported by the National Wine School, the gold standard, and professional wine certifications, whether you're dreaming of a career in the wine industry or just eager to take your wine knowledge to the 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where nobody drank Chardonnay. 184 00:11:15,871.97683333 --> 00:11:19,121.87683333 It was all, to be honest, all red wine is what people drank. 185 00:11:19,381.87683333 --> 00:11:22,581.87683333 So just drinking white wine was a big move for me. 186 00:11:22,881.87683333 --> 00:11:30,741.77783333 And Chardonnay definitely But yeah, you had to I had to accept from you that this was acceptable. 187 00:11:30,741.77783333 --> 00:11:37,91.77783333 And my taste is such, I, it's not what I gravitate to but I know that it's respectable. 188 00:11:37,131.77683333 --> 00:11:40,311.77783333 It's absolutely something that people obsess over. 189 00:11:40,411.77683333 --> 00:11:41,401.77783333 Oh, absolutely. 190 00:11:41,691.77783333 --> 00:11:52,371.76354762 And cause it's funny, I don't, have you ever had it where like somebody in class trying to be fancy and they said they hate Chardonnay And then and then Yeah, and then they try it, a really good one that we have. 191 00:11:52,371.76354762 --> 00:11:54,401.76354762 And they're like, oh yeah, and they can admit they're wrong. 192 00:11:54,411.76354762 --> 00:12:03,611.76304762 I love seeing that, but also sometimes there's some, that person who says they hate Chardonnay but, and then they say my favorite wine is Montrachet or my favorite wine is from the Macon. 193 00:12:03,861.76404762 --> 00:12:07,181.76204762 And you're like, that's Chardonnay you probably treat them much nicer than I do. 194 00:12:07,191.76204762 --> 00:12:09,311.76204762 I'm like, I'm always like, bro. 195 00:12:09,801.76204762 --> 00:12:10,761.76204762 That's Chardonnay. 196 00:12:11,711.76204762 --> 00:12:12,711.76204762 It is always a bro. 197 00:12:13,461.76204762 --> 00:12:16,431.66204762 I hate to admit that, but yeah. 198 00:12:16,431.76204762 --> 00:12:28,71.76104762 Yeah, so I, for me, I would say the biggest issue I have with Chardonnay done in that Cali style is that I don't know when to drink it. 199 00:12:28,501.76104762 --> 00:12:32,801.76204762 It's not food friendly with all the oak and the higher alcohol. 200 00:12:32,831.76204762 --> 00:12:37,521.76204762 It doesn't, for me, it doesn't play well with things that I typically eat. 201 00:12:37,861.76204762 --> 00:12:38,801.76204762 Okay, so here. 202 00:12:40,256.76204762 --> 00:12:43,816.76204762 You have to think of that big california style let's define this. 203 00:12:43,826.76204762 --> 00:12:44,226.76204762 Yes. 204 00:12:44,236.76204762 --> 00:12:48,291.76204762 So california style is it's going to be really intensely oaks. 205 00:12:48,301.76204762 --> 00:12:52,561.76204762 So that flavors like cinnamon, nutmeg and vanilla are going to be really prevalent. 206 00:12:53,31.76204762 --> 00:12:57,241.76204762 It's going to go through probably almost full metal lactic fermentation. 207 00:12:57,261.76204762 --> 00:13:04,181.76104762 So meaning that you are going to have a very distinct buttery note but you're also going to have it's going to be creamy. 208 00:13:04,341.76204762 --> 00:13:12,981.76154762 So like you're going to have this, and it's most likely, cause Cal, in California, it's most likely going to be hitting that 15 percent alcohol. 209 00:13:12,981.76154762 --> 00:13:15,991.76204762 So it's gonna be really almost really full bodied and unctuous. 210 00:13:17,376.76204762 --> 00:13:35,666.76054762 So we layer on that, we layer on creamy vanilla, there's going to be a caramel flavor as well from the oak merging with the mallow y goodness in there as well, and you're going to have this wonderful cooked apple and cinnamon and spices and all, and creaminess. 211 00:13:36,216.76054762 --> 00:13:38,6.76054762 It's basically just apple pie. 212 00:13:38,446.76054762 --> 00:13:38,596.76054762 Yeah. 213 00:13:39,126.76054762 --> 00:13:40,326.76054762 It's a slice of apple pie. 214 00:13:40,396.76054762 --> 00:13:40,956.76054762 Yeah. 215 00:13:41,26.76054762 --> 00:13:41,976.76054762 And, no. 216 00:13:42,771.76054762 --> 00:13:44,781.76054762 You like apple pie, right? Not really. 217 00:13:44,811.76054762 --> 00:13:45,521.76054762 Oh my god. 218 00:13:45,531.76054762 --> 00:13:47,821.76054762 It's not, it, by far, it is not my favorite. 219 00:13:47,981.76054762 --> 00:13:50,151.76054762 Now, I do love the tart tantan. 220 00:13:50,291.76054762 --> 00:13:51,751.76054762 Yeah, oh, you are such a snob. 221 00:13:51,791.76054762 --> 00:13:52,371.76054762 Oh my god. 222 00:13:55,121.76054762 --> 00:13:59,541.75954762 I'm just, yeah alright, I'm, okay, so what this, we're changing it? I'm not saying anything else. 223 00:13:59,551.75954762 --> 00:14:04,31.76054762 We're changing this? We're changing this? This is, Keith, America, fuck yeah with Keith. 224 00:14:04,601.76054762 --> 00:14:04,621.76054762 Yeah. 225 00:14:08,301.76054762 --> 00:14:09,781.76054762 And the traders with guana. 226 00:14:09,781.76054762 --> 00:14:14,571.76054762 Yeah, Yeah yeah I actually, this makes sense though, because I love those flavors. 227 00:14:14,571.76054762 --> 00:14:21,281.76054762 I grew up eating my grandmother's apple pie and it was like all from scratch and all these flavors. 228 00:14:21,671.76054762 --> 00:14:23,151.76054762 And it is, so I. 229 00:14:24,121.76154762 --> 00:14:30,301.76154762 I drank Chardonnay in moments that I would eat an apple pie, like a slice of apple pie. 230 00:14:30,311.76154762 --> 00:14:31,381.76154762 That's where it is. 231 00:14:31,401.76154762 --> 00:14:32,441.76154762 Like a big scoop of vanilla. 232 00:14:32,521.76154762 --> 00:14:32,971.76154762 It is. 233 00:14:33,121.76154762 --> 00:14:33,731.76154762 It's indulgent. 234 00:14:33,741.76154762 --> 00:14:33,981.76154762 Yeah. 235 00:14:33,991.76154762 --> 00:14:34,371.76154762 It's indulgent. 236 00:14:34,391.76154762 --> 00:14:38,871.76054762 So it's gonna be, in fact, after I teach a class or, at night. 237 00:14:39,1.76154762 --> 00:14:47,301.76154762 Instead of having a, like a big monster red wine, like a Zinn, it's just, it's a, it's the wine that you can enjoy and just turn your brain off. 238 00:14:47,351.76154762 --> 00:14:48,41.66154762 Bloop bloop, bloop. 239 00:14:48,131.66154762 --> 00:14:53,591.66054762 And it is that, it's, it is for me, those Cali Chardonnays are desserts. 240 00:14:54,141.66054762 --> 00:15:02,171.66154762 But then when you get the better ones, like when you really get ones that are artistically made maybe like the way I love making them is actually you fermenting them in oak. 241 00:15:02,951.66154762 --> 00:15:18,901.66154762 But then not letting them go through mallow so that they and then aging in barrel again, so that you have all these wonderful green spicy notes, but bright freshness, like I love that, I love making wine like that, but yeah, that's, that, that's rare. 242 00:15:19,551.66154762 --> 00:15:24,261.66154762 And I can understand why people don't enjoy it, but think of it as apple pie. 243 00:15:24,391.66154762 --> 00:15:29,541.66154762 As just, and it's great, because to be honest, I don't eat dessert that much anymore. 244 00:15:29,551.66154762 --> 00:15:29,891.66154762 Yeah. 245 00:15:30,111.66154762 --> 00:15:31,41.66154762 I really don't. 246 00:15:31,121.66154762 --> 00:15:40,721.66054762 I'm at that age where, it's not, so I am, instead of having that glass of Big Butter Chardonnay actually does, I have an apple pie shaped hole in my heart. 247 00:15:42,221.66154762 --> 00:15:42,961.66154762 And it fills it. 248 00:15:43,111.66154762 --> 00:15:51,831.66154762 Okay, let's, let's fill that apple pie shaped hole in your heart with, we do have some delicious Chardonnay. 249 00:15:51,861.66154762 --> 00:15:56,361.66154762 But here's the thing is, this is my even more more favorite. 250 00:15:56,361.66154762 --> 00:15:57,951.66154762 My, I enjoy even more. 251 00:15:57,961.66154762 --> 00:16:01,1.66154762 This is actually white burgundy, which I truly love. 252 00:16:01,61.66154762 --> 00:16:06,581.66154762 And we already showed them the label, right? I don't know, but yeah, here, but let me just show it again here. 253 00:16:06,581.66154762 --> 00:16:07,281.66154762 This time I'll do it. 254 00:16:07,946.66154762 --> 00:16:08,881.56154762 Woo. 255 00:16:08,881.66154762 --> 00:16:09,481.66054762 There we go. 256 00:16:09,671.66154762 --> 00:16:13,344.16154762 Showing that to the folks who are watching and for those of you who are listening. 257 00:16:13,404.16154762 --> 00:16:13,734.16154762 Thank you. 258 00:16:14,64.16154762 --> 00:16:15,504.16154762 She's handing a lot of her glass. 259 00:16:15,524.16154762 --> 00:16:17,864.16154762 I'm gonna hand, grab my glass. 260 00:16:18,434.16154762 --> 00:16:19,354.16154762 Cheers folks. 261 00:16:19,844.16154762 --> 00:16:27,144.16204762 And first off the color of this wine, the color is just perfect and golden. 262 00:16:27,774.16104762 --> 00:16:31,344.16104762 And when I'm swirling in my glass, I can see the viscousness. 263 00:16:31,354.16104762 --> 00:16:32,114.16104762 It actually is. 264 00:16:32,744.16204762 --> 00:16:33,324.16204762 Yeah. 265 00:16:34,94.16204762 --> 00:16:42,714.1620476 It's swirling in a way that tell, yeah, is and this, That this is actually pretty I, surprisingly, it's probably a little high in alcohol for white burgundy. 266 00:16:43,124.1620476 --> 00:16:44,144.1620476 But this is the south. 267 00:16:44,224.1620476 --> 00:16:45,284.1620476 This is southern burgundy. 268 00:16:45,294.1620476 --> 00:16:45,954.1620476 Exactly. 269 00:16:45,954.1620476 --> 00:16:46,244.1620476 Yep. 270 00:16:46,514.1620476 --> 00:16:51,484.1630476 And I want, in that color, that nice, rich golden hue. 271 00:16:51,754.1620476 --> 00:17:00,164.1615476 That is telling me that One, it might have some skin contact slightly because Chardonnay when harvested exactly perfectly, it's brownish. 272 00:17:00,174.1615476 --> 00:17:00,984.1615476 It's really ugly. 273 00:17:01,4.1615476 --> 00:17:03,234.1605476 When Chardonnay turns ugly, it's ready to be harvested. 274 00:17:03,254.1615476 --> 00:17:03,894.1615476 It's weird. 275 00:17:04,384.1615476 --> 00:17:05,54.1610476 It's very weird. 276 00:17:05,54.1610476 --> 00:17:08,464.1615476 But then we also have but also that's telling me there's a lot of oak in that too. 277 00:17:08,494.1605476 --> 00:17:09,864.1615476 That nice golden hue. 278 00:17:10,324.1615476 --> 00:17:13,254.1615476 But when you stick your nose in it, what do you get? I do get. 279 00:17:13,664.1615476 --> 00:17:14,824.1615476 Big ripe apples. 280 00:17:14,884.1615476 --> 00:17:16,244.1615476 Oh yes. 281 00:17:17,514.1615476 --> 00:17:19,764.1615476 Big ripe apple, like crunchy apples. 282 00:17:20,54.1615476 --> 00:17:22,24.1615476 There's a floral note in there too. 283 00:17:22,464.1615476 --> 00:17:23,154.1615476 Oh, okay. 284 00:17:23,214.1615476 --> 00:17:25,244.1615476 You know what? I know what you would call that. 285 00:17:26,94.1605476 --> 00:17:30,244.1610476 I would just say floral, but I know that is more of an apple blossom note. 286 00:17:30,564.1610476 --> 00:17:32,224.1610476 Cause, and I learned that from you. 287 00:17:32,264.1620476 --> 00:17:33,934.1610476 I learned that, that phrase from you. 288 00:17:33,934.1610476 --> 00:17:34,194.1610476 Yeah. 289 00:17:34,194.1610476 --> 00:17:35,604.1620476 Cause there is a very distinct. 290 00:17:35,914.1620476 --> 00:17:36,434.1620476 It's white. 291 00:17:36,434.1620476 --> 00:17:40,814.1620476 It's in the white floral family, but it's got that orchard fruit. 292 00:17:41,364.1610476 --> 00:17:42,214.1620476 Oh yeah. 293 00:17:42,734.1620476 --> 00:17:42,954.1620476 In. 294 00:17:43,339.1620476 --> 00:18:03,589.1640476 Right off the bat, I'm not getting that much, Oak notes, like not, it's not intensely cinnamon or nutmeg, but there is a subtle allspice in the background, which I really and which is, they're using, they're probably not using much new oak or they're using like second season, third season oak to give it just a some, just a little bit of flavor. 295 00:18:03,939.1640476 --> 00:18:05,389.1640476 And it's going to be French oak being in. 296 00:18:05,459.1640476 --> 00:18:06,309.1640476 Oh, of course. 297 00:18:06,319.1640476 --> 00:18:07,199.1640476 It's always French oak. 298 00:18:07,209.1640476 --> 00:18:07,599.1640476 Nothing. 299 00:18:08,199.1640476 --> 00:18:08,899.1640476 Everything is. 300 00:18:09,114.1640476 --> 00:18:14,404.1640476 Unless you're, what you're smelling smells like a the dumbest version of oak ever, it's going to be French oak. 301 00:18:14,464.1640476 --> 00:18:16,584.1640476 Like American oak just smells dumb. 302 00:18:17,44.1640476 --> 00:18:23,134.1640476 I love it because I love, that's, you put your whiskey in American oak, you put your wine in French. 303 00:18:23,234.1650476 --> 00:18:25,934.1660476 That's one of my hard lines, unless I'm teaching students. 304 00:18:26,354.1660476 --> 00:18:29,874.1660476 And if I'm teaching people who are, like they're brand new I'll use French oak. 305 00:18:29,964.1660476 --> 00:18:30,154.1660476 Sorry. 306 00:18:30,154.1660476 --> 00:18:32,774.1660476 I'll use American oak because that hides all kinds of sins. 307 00:18:32,814.1650476 --> 00:18:38,669.1660476 Like it just, that all that, Chocolate and There's lots of minerality on this as well. 308 00:18:38,679.1660476 --> 00:18:39,739.1660476 Oh, you're right. 309 00:18:39,769.1660476 --> 00:18:40,489.1660476 There really is. 310 00:18:40,489.1660476 --> 00:18:44,9.1660476 That's wonderful There's yeah a little bit of crushed oyster shell in there, too. 311 00:18:44,9.1660476 --> 00:18:44,849.1650476 That's really nice. 312 00:18:45,59.1660476 --> 00:18:48,719.1660476 All right, I want to taste this Let's do it and warning a phony a warning. 313 00:18:48,769.1660476 --> 00:18:50,129.1660476 Yeah, lurping ahead. 314 00:18:54,369.1660476 --> 00:18:55,209.1660476 I'm a professional. 315 00:18:55,839.1660476 --> 00:18:58,299.0650476 Oh, I Right. 316 00:18:58,299.1650476 --> 00:18:59,599.1650476 Yes, Okay. 317 00:18:59,799.1650476 --> 00:19:02,374.1660476 I okay Thank you. 318 00:19:02,514.1660476 --> 00:19:03,24.1660476 Thank you. 319 00:19:03,74.1660476 --> 00:19:09,484.1660476 Okay, because you don't just have the, you have the orchard fruit, you have your apple, but what else is going on here? You also have acid. 320 00:19:10,34.1660476 --> 00:19:10,904.1660476 Yes. 321 00:19:11,364.1650476 --> 00:19:11,834.1650476 Yes. 322 00:19:12,24.1660476 --> 00:19:14,354.1650476 They're playing with acid, right? It's bright fresh. 323 00:19:14,354.1660476 --> 00:19:16,224.1660476 It's actually medium to high acid here. 324 00:19:17,554.1650476 --> 00:19:21,794.1680476 And it's actually medium bodied, it's really, oh, it's balanced. 325 00:19:21,794.1680476 --> 00:19:41,639.1670476 But then what's underneath that? What's around that? So you have that orchard fruit, and then, You have just the slightest bit of creamy underneath, you don't notice it you have this wonderful, elegant, I said, that little bit of caramel creeping in, a little floral notes going through, rich, complex. 326 00:19:41,639.1680476 --> 00:19:44,699.1680476 I'm gonna share a little bit of my 80s childhood reference. 327 00:19:44,709.1670476 --> 00:19:49,894.1680476 Oh! It's a little bit of a creamsicle, a little bit of an orange creamsicle. 328 00:19:49,924.1680476 --> 00:19:50,304.1680476 Okay. 329 00:19:50,314.1680476 --> 00:19:51,284.1680476 I'm sorry to say. 330 00:19:51,304.1680476 --> 00:19:51,634.1680476 Yeah. 331 00:19:52,34.1680476 --> 00:19:55,174.1680476 That, I love orange creamsicle and it's just a little bit. 332 00:19:55,234.1680476 --> 00:19:58,464.1670476 Oh what's wrong with creamsicles? I feel like you would hate creamsicles. 333 00:19:58,504.1680476 --> 00:20:01,474.0685476 No, see, I grew up with sherbert and so creamsicle. 334 00:20:01,474.1685476 --> 00:20:02,124.1680476 Yeah, exactly. 335 00:20:02,124.1680476 --> 00:20:02,324.1675476 Yeah. 336 00:20:02,324.1685476 --> 00:20:02,664.1685476 I know. 337 00:20:02,674.1685476 --> 00:20:03,74.1685476 I know. 338 00:20:03,74.1685476 --> 00:20:11,414.1685476 I, yeah, but so yeah, so I remember the first time I had a creamsicle, it was such an upgrade to what I do. 339 00:20:11,584.1685476 --> 00:20:14,454.0685476 I'm so sorry to hear it. 340 00:20:14,684.1685476 --> 00:20:15,619.2185476 Yeah, this is what it is. 341 00:20:15,619.3185476 --> 00:20:17,839.251881 But this is, yeah, this is stunning. 342 00:20:18,329.251881 --> 00:20:19,149.251881 This is beautiful. 343 00:20:19,489.2518809 --> 00:20:23,799.2518809 So yeah, in throughout the Mekong, it's such a great place. 344 00:20:24,389.2518809 --> 00:20:28,664.1528809 So many wine regions that are up and coming and really, cause they're really competing with each other. 345 00:20:29,264.2528809 --> 00:20:51,784.452881 A little bit in the north, like things like Montrachet, they're competing with them at a much lower price point and things like, the Puy Fusay, this town, there's so many other amazing wine regions here that are, and some I just called Macon, and I really love this area for really good values and a lot of very traditional winemaking. 346 00:20:52,214.452881 --> 00:20:53,344.452881 That's really important. 347 00:20:53,344.452881 --> 00:20:58,964.4528809 And we see some of the Like Domaine Jouan who does great work, high end, low end, middle of the road. 348 00:20:59,294.4528809 --> 00:21:08,864.4528809 So this is one of those negotiations that I really like they're producing some exceptional wines that are actually reasonably priced, which is when you talk about Burgundy, it's very rare. 349 00:21:08,964.4518809 --> 00:21:09,454.4518809 Yes. 350 00:21:09,534.4518809 --> 00:21:09,794.4518809 Yeah. 351 00:21:09,894.4518809 --> 00:21:10,154.4518809 Yeah. 352 00:21:10,154.4518809 --> 00:21:11,524.4513809 So have I, no, you're not. 353 00:21:11,524.5513809 --> 00:21:12,234.3513809 You're not. 354 00:21:12,234.4513809 --> 00:21:13,504.4513809 You're never gonna love Chardonnay like I do. 355 00:21:13,534.4513809 --> 00:21:14,834.4513809 I'm never gonna love it like you do. 356 00:21:14,854.4513809 --> 00:21:15,884.4513809 No, absolutely not. 357 00:21:15,884.4513809 --> 00:21:19,584.4513809 I don't have an apple pie shaped hole in my heart. 358 00:21:23,104.4513809 --> 00:21:24,24.4513809 I just don't. 359 00:21:24,34.4513809 --> 00:21:26,564.4503809 But this was wonderful and I think that was a lot of fun. 360 00:21:26,614.4513809 --> 00:21:27,314.4508809 This is delicious. 361 00:21:27,639.4518809 --> 00:21:30,169.4518809 Oh my god, I'm, yeah, I'm staying in Chardonnay. 362 00:21:30,279.4518809 --> 00:21:30,559.4518809 Okay. 363 00:21:30,889.4518809 --> 00:21:32,819.4518809 I'm gonna repeat this podcast over and over again. 364 00:21:33,364.451881 --> 00:21:35,499.4518809 I'll help you finish this, that's for sure. 365 00:21:35,529.4518809 --> 00:21:35,919.4518809 Okay. 366 00:21:36,539.4518809 --> 00:21:37,759.4518809 All right, it was great having you. 367 00:21:37,759.4518809 --> 00:21:38,549.4518809 Thanks everyone. 368 00:21:38,549.4518809 --> 00:21:38,979.4518809 Cheers. 369 00:21:38,999.4518809 --> 00:21:39,159.4518809 Cheers. 370 00:21:39,459.4518809 --> 00:21:42,639.4508809 Share this subscribe, whatever, tell people, please. 371 00:21:43,389.4508809 --> 00:21:43,649.4508809 Bye. 372 00:21:44,179.4508809 --> 00:21:44,539.4508809 Cheers. 373 00:21:50,919.4518809 --> 00:21:53,899.4518809 Thanks for spending time with us on After Wine School. 374 00:21:54,439.4518809 --> 00:22:01,549.4508809 If you enjoyed today's episode, hit subscribe so you never miss out on more wine wisdom, tips, and laughs.
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