February 18, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode of After Wine School, Keith Wallace and Alana Zerbe discuss their paths from law and journalism to becoming top wine experts. They share anecdotes about the transition, the cultural lens of wine, and the prevalence of lawyers in the wine industry. The episode also highlights a tasting of Cab Franc from the Loire Valley, focusing on its unique flavors and characteristics. Tune in for an engaging mix of wine education, personal stories, and humor.
00:00 Introduction to After Wine School
00:41 Meet Your Hosts: Keith Wallace and Alana Zerbe
01:53 The Lawyer's Journey to Wine
05:25 Cultural Insights Through Wine
12:31 Tasting Cab Franc from the Loire Valley
16:36 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts
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.999Welcome to After School, the Wine Podcast. 8 00:00:47,475.999 --> 00:00:49,196 Hey, I'm here. 9 00:00:49,225.999 --> 00:00:50,576 My name is Keith Wallace.
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I'm the director of the Wine School of Philadelphia, and I'm here today, as always, with Alana Zerbe, the director of wine education at said school.
And I should mention that our sponsor is the National Wine School.
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Absolutely fantastic.
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All right. 18 00:01:19,275.999 --> 00:01:22,195.999 So, today.
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love us as much as we love the expressions and opinions and the, whatever weirdness happens on this podcast, this is just our opinions.
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.999This does not reflect on the National Wine School, the Wine School of Philadelphia, the US government, or even the FBI. 23 00:01:45,245.999 --> 00:01:45,835.999 Certainly not. 24 00:01:45,895.999 --> 00:01:46,965.999 think I've covered all bases. 25 00:01:47,365.999 --> 00:01:48,215.999 That's the State Department. 26 00:01:49,575.999 --> 00:01:50,55.999 All right. 27 00:01:50,355.999 --> 00:01:50,815.999 Okay. 28 00:01:50,825.999 --> 00:01:51,205.999 So. 29 00:01:51,635.999 --> 00:01:52,545.999 Now that's all done. 30 00:01:52,615.999 --> 00:01:53,475.999 said that was a good day. 31 00:01:53,915.999 --> 00:01:59,735.998 So, all right, one of the things is You know teaching for 20 years. 32 00:01:59,735.998 --> 00:02:13,670.999 I've taught for over 20 years now and I have run it so many lawyers in wine school right becoming small yeas because going into the wine trade and You know, over a decade ago, so was you. 33 00:02:13,670.999 --> 00:02:15,130.999 You were, you were a lawyer. 34 00:02:15,360.999 --> 00:02:17,290.999 Now you work with me. 35 00:02:17,340.999 --> 00:02:28,340.998 What happened? Who hurt you? Okay, I generally don't like talking about myself. 36 00:02:28,340.998 --> 00:02:50,560.999 So this is not the most comfortable topic, but we do know a lot of people who go into wine from having all types of careers, but lots and lots of former lawyers and I too, yes, I did go to law school and I practiced briefly and the joke I always make, you know, it's lame, but I'm going to say it.
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I don't remember it. 38 00:02:51,591.001 --> 00:02:53,611 I always say it's where I learned to drink.
Oh, yes. 40 00:02:55,221.1 --> 00:02:56,341 It actually is true.
I've never met a lawyer. 42 00:02:57,670.999 --> 00:02:59,421 I've never met a sober lawyer. 43 00:02:59,471.1 --> 00:03:01,911.1 Outside, out of the courtroom. 44 00:03:02,411.1 --> 00:03:09,891.1 Well, sober, yes, but they are always in wine class trying to justify the consumption. 45 00:03:10,321.1 --> 00:03:17,311.1 Oh, you know, it's not just that, I mean, let's just be honest about something here because lawyers are a very specific kind of person. 46 00:03:17,611.1 --> 00:03:24,211.1 Now you do have to, you know, the lawyers I know, and tell me if I'm wrong about this, but most lawyers that I've met. 47 00:03:24,436.1 --> 00:03:28,646.1 have a really great background in classical literature. 48 00:03:28,666.1 --> 00:03:29,606.1 They read a lot. 49 00:03:29,606.1 --> 00:03:30,716.1 They love writing. 50 00:03:30,946.1 --> 00:03:58,386.099 they have a lot of passion that it seems that when they were younger, it seemed that that Was all focused on something, you know, the one kind of job you can have where you can make a good income, but also deal with text, with writing, like most of your job is interpreting and arguing Parts of literature, of law, of language, like, I find that fascinating. 51 00:03:58,386.099 --> 00:03:59,986.099 It's also a lot of logic. 52 00:04:00,546.099 --> 00:04:12,316.098 So I, I find that people who are lawyers, or want to be lawyers, are really just, you know, they're English majors who had better sense in high school. 53 00:04:12,676.098 --> 00:04:18,181.099 To, you know, I was an English major, this is why I'm saying this, you know, my pre retail degree. 54 00:04:18,181.099 --> 00:04:24,531.099 I, when I realized that, you know, that was it, you know, I got as far as I could go as I became a journalist and then the same thing. 55 00:04:24,541.099 --> 00:04:38,801.099 But you know, I probably made in like the seven years I was a journalist, this, what you made in, in like six months as a lawyer, let's be honest, it's much smarter, much smarter choice, but talk to us. 56 00:04:39,976.099 --> 00:04:40,616.099 Talk to us. 57 00:04:41,776.099 --> 00:04:42,846.099 I think that's true. 58 00:04:42,846.099 --> 00:04:50,926.099 And I'll, I'll tell you, I, I didn't, I definitely was one of those people who went to law school because I didn't know what else to do. 59 00:04:51,296.099 --> 00:04:52,706.098 I loved languages. 60 00:04:52,706.099 --> 00:04:57,496.099 I loved the written word and I loved studying and learning about different cultures. 61 00:04:58,56.098 --> 00:05:02,156.099 And in college, I did study abroad in China. 62 00:05:02,226.099 --> 00:05:05,466.099 And, Learned Mandarin and absolutely loved that. 63 00:05:06,586.099 --> 00:05:08,306.099 I couldn't fathom. 64 00:05:09,546.099 --> 00:05:14,886.099 in any kind of business role or academic role. 65 00:05:15,326.099 --> 00:05:20,416.099 And so I had a short period of time to figure out perhaps what to do. 66 00:05:20,836.099 --> 00:05:24,696.099 And so law school made sense, but I'll, I think what. 67 00:05:25,81.099 --> 00:05:33,621.098 A through line is for me is I love when you can take something and use it as a lens into another culture. 68 00:05:34,81.099 --> 00:05:38,171.099 And so you feel closer to that culture. 69 00:05:38,191.099 --> 00:05:39,261.0985 It's interesting. 70 00:05:39,261.0985 --> 00:05:43,181.099 It's a way to connect with people from all kinds of different backgrounds. 71 00:05:43,411.098 --> 00:05:50,391.098 I did a little bit of comparative law where you study different legal systems and compare them to our legal system. 72 00:05:51,836.098 --> 00:06:05,566.098 What was immediately of interest was, it really shows you the way a given place structures their legal code, what they really value, what's really important. 73 00:06:05,806.098 --> 00:06:06,186.098 Oh, okay. 74 00:06:06,226.098 --> 00:06:06,946.098 Bear with me. 75 00:06:06,976.098 --> 00:06:07,956.098 This is fascinating. 76 00:06:08,326.099 --> 00:06:08,626.0985 Yeah. 77 00:06:08,626.0985 --> 00:06:09,636.098 So it really is. 78 00:06:09,686.099 --> 00:06:10,46.099 Okay. 79 00:06:10,66.098 --> 00:06:11,296.099 This is very interesting, actually. 80 00:06:11,396.099 --> 00:06:23,171.099 So, I really I found with wine, when you get into wine from a particular place, it too is very reflective of the values. 81 00:06:23,231.099 --> 00:06:29,21.099 So, for example, Italians, Italian wines are always going to go well with food. 82 00:06:29,371.098 --> 00:06:36,811.099 That's such You know, a cornerstone of their belief system is that you have wine and food together. 83 00:06:37,261.099 --> 00:06:53,141.099 And I just, I loved being able to look at a culture through their wine and then even into the picky oon matters of how they choose to, govern their label requirements or, you know, things, things of that nature. 84 00:06:53,141.099 --> 00:06:55,356.099 So That's what I really like about it. 85 00:06:55,356.099 --> 00:06:57,156.099 And for me, that's the through line. 86 00:06:57,776.099 --> 00:06:58,776.099 That's really interesting. 87 00:06:59,26.099 --> 00:07:11,236.097 So largely it is, it's the culture, the thing that, whether it's law or whether it's wine, it's actually, it's a lens you can look at, to see what people are like and why they do what they do. 88 00:07:11,286.097 --> 00:07:42,351.095 and you can actually see a much more, deeper view of who they are and it's being immersed into their, Who they are in a way that you just don't you can't do if you're just a tourist that's interesting because As, you've talked to me about this, about, like, Italian law, and how weird and different it is versus our law, and it makes so much sense because of, you know, how they are such a different people, and working there, yes, like, it makes sense that it's different. 89 00:07:43,241.096 --> 00:08:07,591.095 And how the legal codes are interpreted, between California and the East Coast is completely weird and different, because they're such different people, like me being an East Coast guy working in California, Napa for so long, it just did my head in And what they thought, the things they would pull you over for and complain about were so different than what they would complain about here. 90 00:08:07,601.096 --> 00:08:10,201.095 Like, you can be smoking a joint and. 91 00:08:10,796.096 --> 00:08:16,996.096 Drinking, and they wouldn't pull you over, but if you were playing music too loud, they definitely would. 92 00:08:16,996.096 --> 00:08:18,496.096 talking about in a car? In a car. 93 00:08:18,546.096 --> 00:08:19,600.30188235 Yes, in a car. 94 00:08:19,600.30188235 --> 00:08:25,746.096 Like where else are we supposed to smoke and enjoy and drink at the same time? In a car, of course. 95 00:08:26,706.096 --> 00:08:27,706.095 Please do not do this. 96 00:08:27,756.095 --> 00:08:28,496.095 Do not do this. 97 00:08:28,506.095 --> 00:08:29,340.996 Please don't do this. 98 00:08:29,551.096 --> 00:08:35,931.096 But however, it's, yeah, it just was, you know, it just, but it was like, and depending on, of course, that depends on the town and all that, but yeah. 99 00:08:35,931.096 --> 00:08:36,291.096 Yeah. 100 00:08:36,301.096 --> 00:08:40,921.096 But like, you know, you would never get pulled over playing your music too loud, you know, on the East Coast. 101 00:08:40,971.096 --> 00:08:41,281.096 Right. 102 00:08:41,361.095 --> 00:08:43,571.095 But West Coast, it did happen. 103 00:08:43,611.095 --> 00:08:43,871.095 Right. 104 00:08:43,891.096 --> 00:08:45,991.095 That was an un, unweird experience. 105 00:08:46,441.096 --> 00:08:49,431.096 But yeah, so things like that, even the interpretation. 106 00:08:49,431.096 --> 00:08:55,51.096 So I love this and I'm glad we have you and I'm glad that we have so many lawyers. 107 00:08:55,111.096 --> 00:09:00,91.0955 Like, we have, one of our students, who, was a tried and true lawyer. 108 00:09:00,91.0955 --> 00:09:03,851.096 He took our core program, and then became a perfumer. 109 00:09:04,31.095 --> 00:09:05,21.095 he fell in love with wine. 110 00:09:05,451.095 --> 00:09:08,231.095 And yes, this is for you, Stani. 111 00:09:08,871.095 --> 00:09:10,101.095 This is for you, brother. 112 00:09:10,391.095 --> 00:09:11,1.095 Love you. 113 00:09:11,181.095 --> 00:09:12,551.095 it's absolutely fascinating. 114 00:09:12,551.095 --> 00:09:14,201.095 how lawyers and. 115 00:09:15,436.095 --> 00:09:15,976.095 It's wonderful. 116 00:09:15,976.095 --> 00:09:21,416.095 I always make the joke that, we have so many lawyer friends or students that I could do anything in the world. 117 00:09:21,416.095 --> 00:09:25,426.095 And I have like 10 lawyers on speed dial, including you. 118 00:09:25,466.095 --> 00:09:26,916.094 Well, they answer your call. 119 00:09:27,236.094 --> 00:09:36,621.094 Are they still licensed? know, I really probably should ask, I guess I probably shouldn't call the perfumer like, no, no, no, I don't need a new cologne. 120 00:09:36,901.094 --> 00:09:38,571.093 I need to get out of prison. 121 00:09:42,371.094 --> 00:09:42,801.094 Yeah. 122 00:09:43,221.093 --> 00:09:45,391.093 So yes, so that's my background. 123 00:09:45,391.093 --> 00:09:48,871.093 I think what I would say to people, you know, it was. 124 00:09:49,381.094 --> 00:09:50,781.094 It's always hard. 125 00:09:51,291.094 --> 00:10:07,481.094 I think we all have a little bit of imposter syndrome and wonder if you're leaving behind a traditional career, you know, you're leaving behind a certain amount of status and, you know, I'll admit I'm the black sheep in my family, just like you're the black sheep in your family. 126 00:10:07,481.094 --> 00:10:07,941.094 Oh, absolutely. 127 00:10:07,941.094 --> 00:10:08,161.094 Yes. 128 00:10:10,391.094 --> 00:10:26,351.094 After wine school is proudly supported by the National Wine School, the gold standard, and professional wine certifications, whether you're dreaming of a career in the wine industry or just eager to take your wine knowledge to the next level, the National Wine School has you covered. 129 00:10:26,791.094 --> 00:10:32,161.094 Their programs are trusted, rigorous, and designed for aspiring wine pros like you. 130 00:10:34,581.094 --> 00:10:39,261.094 Visit Wine School us to learn more and start your journey today. 131 00:10:40,881.094 --> 00:10:42,721.094 So these things are considerations. 132 00:10:43,671.094 --> 00:10:44,991.094 At the end of the day, though. 133 00:10:45,886.094 --> 00:10:48,186.094 hang it up if it's not for you. 134 00:10:48,226.094 --> 00:10:49,776.094 The sooner the better. 135 00:10:50,46.094 --> 00:10:51,916.093 nothing matters that much. 136 00:10:51,946.094 --> 00:10:54,686.094 And I think I'm, I'm. 137 00:10:55,41.094 --> 00:11:13,101.094 Yeah, I'm very grateful that things turned out the way they did absolutely and all you got to do to Be honest is you know do an internet search for former lawyers wine and you will find Thousands of thousands of it is really I mean we welcome you Come to us. 138 00:11:13,601.094 --> 00:11:15,861.094 We welcome you into the fold of wine. 139 00:11:16,181.094 --> 00:11:20,451.094 It really is, a lot of the, the law is always essential. 140 00:11:20,661.094 --> 00:11:24,221.094 And I always talk to students who are thinking about making that transition. 141 00:11:25,201.093 --> 00:11:28,61.093 Like you, you never move away from what you know. 142 00:11:28,291.094 --> 00:11:32,51.094 You, you incorporate what you're moving into with that. 143 00:11:32,71.094 --> 00:11:33,561.094 Like you want to keep that. 144 00:11:33,571.094 --> 00:11:37,381.094 Cause the law and understanding the law and just that way of thinking. 145 00:11:37,661.094 --> 00:11:56,591.095 Matters and it really is very effective and really helpful in the wine trade there's so much that is involved the law in what we do it's a controlled substance that you have to ship across state lines But it's also a food product You have to understand these things along with the poetry of wine, it's, it is, we need it. 146 00:11:56,591.095 --> 00:11:58,251.095 And there's a lot of times we'll all come to you. 147 00:11:58,251.095 --> 00:12:07,441.0945 You're our director of wine education, but sometimes because I'm the founder and I'm supposed to be the business guy, I'll come to you and I'll, you will know so much more. 148 00:12:07,441.0945 --> 00:12:12,451.095 Like I'll ask you a question, like, what should we do here? And you'll always have the best answer. 149 00:12:12,601.094 --> 00:12:13,61.094 know about that. 150 00:12:14,391.094 --> 00:12:15,661.094 Oh, oh my God. 151 00:12:18,821.094 --> 00:12:22,101.094 Let's not test this too much further. 152 00:12:22,511.094 --> 00:12:25,291.094 I think it's time to taste some wine. 153 00:12:25,351.094 --> 00:12:25,921.094 On that note. 154 00:12:25,941.094 --> 00:12:26,371.094 that note. 155 00:12:26,371.194 --> 00:12:30,341.194 all lawyers, or former lawyers, yes, let's introduce what we're drinking today. 156 00:12:30,361.193 --> 00:12:31,31.193 Let's introduce. 157 00:12:31,41.194 --> 00:12:33,481.194 So, today we are drinking Cab Franc. 158 00:12:33,481.294 --> 00:12:35,439.2734 From the Loire Valley. 159 00:12:35,549.2734 --> 00:12:37,549.1734 This is a Saint Nicolas de Bourdieu. 160 00:12:37,549.2734 --> 00:12:38,302.5734 This is awesome. 161 00:12:38,302.5734 --> 00:12:39,459.2734 Is the appellation. 162 00:12:39,809.2734 --> 00:12:42,189.2734 Amaril les Malignes. 163 00:12:42,859.2734 --> 00:12:44,309.2734 And I said that terribly. 164 00:12:44,339.2734 --> 00:12:49,369.2134 probably still terrible, but that's really, well, that's, that is far better. 165 00:12:49,809.2134 --> 00:13:04,89.2134 That is one of the hard things to think of is after hours, because I mean, there are times like some of these, these, you know, tongue twisters, you have to pronounce them in a way that is both correct, but also understandable to Americans. 166 00:13:04,209.2134 --> 00:13:07,289.2134 And that's actually not the easiest thing in the world because you have. 167 00:13:07,564.2134 --> 00:13:08,654.2134 They have to understand it. 168 00:13:08,754.2134 --> 00:13:10,534.2134 No, and I, and it is after hours. 169 00:13:10,594.2134 --> 00:13:11,404.2134 we're a little tired. 170 00:13:11,404.3134 --> 00:13:12,324.3134 cheers everybody. 171 00:13:12,384.3134 --> 00:13:13,834.3134 Oh, let's drink it together. 172 00:13:13,894.3124 --> 00:13:14,784.3134 Well, we're gonna cheers here. 173 00:13:14,844.3124 --> 00:13:15,184.3124 Okay. 174 00:13:15,284.3134 --> 00:13:16,904.3134 I wanna cheers people before I taste it. 175 00:13:16,924.3134 --> 00:13:17,174.3134 Okay. 176 00:13:17,274.3134 --> 00:13:18,574.3154 Misophonia warning. 177 00:13:18,874.3144 --> 00:13:21,14.3144 Oh, yes. 178 00:13:21,334.3144 --> 00:13:23,124.3144 So, everything's fine. 179 00:13:23,124.3144 --> 00:13:24,464.3144 we'll alert you when we're gonna. 180 00:13:24,944.3144 --> 00:13:25,604.3144 Oh, this is awesome. 181 00:13:25,654.3144 --> 00:13:25,904.3144 hmm. 182 00:13:25,974.3144 --> 00:13:26,904.3144 Okay, first off. 183 00:13:28,124.3144 --> 00:13:31,134.3144 This is Cab Franc, Loire Valley, middle of Loire, Cab Franc. 184 00:13:32,654.3144 --> 00:13:34,474.3144 And here's another warning, green pepper alert. 185 00:13:35,324.3144 --> 00:13:42,224.3144 Look, this is one of my favorite all time wines, especially, here, but also Chanon, this whole area, Cab Franc. 186 00:13:42,344.3144 --> 00:13:42,944.3144 Yes. 187 00:13:44,554.3144 --> 00:13:53,104.3144 If you do not like that smell of pyrazine in the morning, I love the smell of pyrazine in the morning, but if you don't like that, it's not for you. 188 00:13:53,154.3144 --> 00:13:54,524.3144 It just like never will be. 189 00:13:54,524.3144 --> 00:13:57,64.3144 But I, this is my. 190 00:13:57,634.3144 --> 00:14:04,714.3144 Go to for my burgundy replacement when that's too expensive It's my it's the alien beautiful thing. 191 00:14:04,714.3144 --> 00:14:11,894.3144 I've even really I didn't I've smelt this a little bit But well the nose is a really beautiful balance between fruit and those earthy nose. 192 00:14:11,994.3144 --> 00:14:15,4.3144 Oftentimes they're very much like, bright cherry, but here it's more darker. 193 00:14:15,44.3144 --> 00:14:15,594.3144 Yes. 194 00:14:15,764.3144 --> 00:14:16,454.3144 I think plum. 195 00:14:16,494.3144 --> 00:14:17,624.3144 Definitely dark plum. 196 00:14:17,684.3144 --> 00:14:18,14.3144 Okay. 197 00:14:18,14.3144 --> 00:14:18,374.3144 Yes. 198 00:14:18,414.3144 --> 00:14:18,724.3144 Good. 199 00:14:18,974.3144 --> 00:14:19,274.3144 Good. 200 00:14:19,474.3144 --> 00:14:21,214.3144 Juicy, red flesh. 201 00:14:21,224.3134 --> 00:14:21,624.3134 Hee hee. 202 00:14:22,404.3144 --> 00:14:24,94.3134 That's, I don't, oh, that smells so good. 203 00:14:24,864.3144 --> 00:14:30,854.3134 You don't think that green pepper and plum would make sense together, but as an aromatic, it does. 204 00:14:32,284.3144 --> 00:14:33,534.3144 Really does. 205 00:14:33,544.3144 --> 00:14:35,204.3144 It's that sweet and savory note. 206 00:14:35,254.3144 --> 00:14:36,4.3144 I love this. 207 00:14:36,74.3144 --> 00:14:37,134.3144 And now. 208 00:14:37,704.3144 --> 00:14:38,744.3144 I'm really curious. 209 00:14:39,844.3144 --> 00:14:44,334.3144 Usually these are pretty high acid, but this is such dark ripe fruit. 210 00:14:44,334.3144 --> 00:14:45,374.3144 I kind of wonder if it is. 211 00:14:45,404.3144 --> 00:14:45,954.3144 All right, let's take a sip. 212 00:14:51,644.3144 --> 00:14:53,359.3144 Yeah, me Really quietly. 213 00:14:53,449.3144 --> 00:14:53,619.3134 Yeah, me too. 214 00:14:54,109.3144 --> 00:14:54,601.2944 I think that was good. 215 00:14:54,651.2944 --> 00:14:55,411.2944 it's so silky. 216 00:14:55,821.2944 --> 00:15:00,211.2944 Now, caveat, I did pour this, about a half an hour ago. 217 00:15:00,731.2944 --> 00:15:05,681.2934 45 minutes, so it's been decanted, so it has opened up quite a great deal. 218 00:15:05,931.2944 --> 00:15:11,131.2944 It wouldn't be this smooth and supple, when we first opened it, but it is, like, it's got great texture. 219 00:15:11,191.2944 --> 00:15:11,831.2944 it's beautiful. 220 00:15:11,851.2944 --> 00:15:13,761.2944 has that thing that you love in red wine. 221 00:15:14,671.2944 --> 00:15:15,791.2944 It has that thing. 222 00:15:17,401.2944 --> 00:15:20,691.2944 It starts with a one and a three. 223 00:15:21,661.2944 --> 00:15:22,661.2944 Thirteen percent alcohol. 224 00:15:25,216.2944 --> 00:15:39,496.2944 Where are you going with this? What freaking shit are you going to talk about? My favorite 13 to 13 and a half percent red wine is just divine. 225 00:15:39,496.2944 --> 00:15:40,776.2944 We need to drink more of it. 226 00:15:40,806.2944 --> 00:15:42,386.2944 it goes with food so well. 227 00:15:42,406.2934 --> 00:15:47,846.2934 And yeah, it's a beautiful, long finish, really well balanced, medium acidity. 228 00:15:48,166.2944 --> 00:15:51,736.2924 I love this, this more modern, this movement towards, later. 229 00:15:52,901.2924 --> 00:15:57,131.2924 Harvesting and it's a little, getting a little bit more warm in the middle of the war. 230 00:15:57,131.2924 --> 00:16:00,451.2924 You know, it's one of those places I'm very thankful for global warming. 231 00:16:00,451.2924 --> 00:16:08,91.2924 I'm like, please more, more, no, not really, but yes, here it's, it's really important because it's, it's fresher than they used to be. 232 00:16:08,471.2914 --> 00:16:10,21.2914 they're, they are harvesting a little bit later. 233 00:16:10,41.2914 --> 00:16:12,861.2914 They're, they're waiting for a little bit more phenolic ripeness. 234 00:16:13,61.2914 --> 00:16:14,381.2914 It's glorious though. 235 00:16:14,951.2914 --> 00:16:15,561.2914 I am. 236 00:16:16,56.2914 --> 00:16:17,916.2914 And the finish is quite long. 237 00:16:17,936.2914 --> 00:16:18,766.2914 I'm really surprised. 238 00:16:19,126.2914 --> 00:16:23,886.2914 it also is, no, it doesn't have that much oak to it, but it does have the notes of cedar. 239 00:16:23,956.2904 --> 00:16:24,146.2904 Yes. 240 00:16:24,246.2904 --> 00:16:28,476.2914 Which is very classic, Cabernet Franc, also Cabernet Sauvignon, by the way. 241 00:16:29,456.2914 --> 00:16:32,401.2914 I am Happy. 242 00:16:36,291.2914 --> 00:16:39,241.2914 I think that's the perfect way to wrap up. 243 00:16:39,301.2914 --> 00:16:40,581.2914 Do you think so? I think so. 244 00:16:40,681.2914 --> 00:16:42,501.2914 Was it misophonia? Yeah. 245 00:16:42,541.2904 --> 00:16:42,941.2914 Oh, yeah, I know. 246 00:16:42,941.2914 --> 00:16:44,241.1914 That is serious. 247 00:16:44,301.1924 --> 00:16:45,71.1914 Don't mess. 248 00:16:45,91.1914 --> 00:16:45,631.1914 All right. 249 00:16:45,651.1914 --> 00:16:47,141.1914 We're gonna wind down. 250 00:16:47,601.1914 --> 00:16:48,401.1914 Well, cheers. 251 00:16:48,691.1914 --> 00:16:49,501.1914 Thank you, Keith. 252 00:16:49,511.1914 --> 00:16:49,991.1914 Thank you. 253 00:16:50,361.1914 --> 00:16:50,601.1914 Cheers. 254 00:16:50,741.1914 --> 00:16:51,81.1914 folks. 255 00:16:51,171.1914 --> 00:16:53,751.1914 Before you go, please like and subscribe. 256 00:16:53,791.1914 --> 00:16:59,381.1914 No matter where you're watching or listening from, by all means, please tell your friends. 257 00:16:59,601.1904 --> 00:17:09,871.1914 If you want to hear a little bit about wine, some good information, in a very much more relaxed environment, not pretentious, just in very, very honest behind the scenes information. 258 00:17:09,881.1914 --> 00:17:10,711.1914 After school. 259 00:17:11,1.1914 --> 00:17:12,221.1914 This is after school. 260 00:17:12,251.1914 --> 00:17:12,891.1914 Not. 261 00:17:13,721.1914 --> 00:17:36,966.0914 but you know, you're going to get, I think that what we do here is a really, really important it's, you know, it's not, we're not standing up straight, we're just being who we are and getting to actually, you know, enjoy wine with folks, having fun, I'm being honest, and I think that there's, that's so rare in our industry, so please like, subscribe, tell people, rate us, look, please just let us know. 262 00:17:37,266.1914 --> 00:17:40,946.1914 Rate, whatever you're listening or looking at this, say, this is amazing. 263 00:17:41,226.1914 --> 00:17:47,466.0924 Oh, five stars, If you give us four, I will personally come to your home and actually, pet your dog the wrong way. 264 00:17:47,896.0924 --> 00:17:51,946.0924 I will also, if you wear glasses, I will switch out your prescription to mine. 265 00:17:52,436.0924 --> 00:17:58,956.0924 And yeah, and I will also replace all your shoes with, shoes that are one half size too large. 266 00:18:00,826.0924 --> 00:18:01,106.0924 All right. 267 00:18:01,136.0924 --> 00:18:02,506.0924 Well, that's all there is to say. 268 00:18:02,596.0924 --> 00:18:02,876.0924 All right. 269 00:18:03,126.0924 --> 00:18:03,816.0924 Thanks, everyone. 270 00:18:07,86.0924 --> 00:18:10,66.0924 Thanks for spending time with us on After Wine School. 271 00:18:10,606.0924 --> 00:18:17,716.0914 If you enjoyed today's episode, hit subscribe so you never miss out on more wine wisdom, tips, and laughs.
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I don't remember it. 38 00:02:51,591.001 --> 00:02:53,611 I always say it's where I learned to drink.
Oh, yes. 40 00:02:55,221.1 --> 00:02:56,341 It actually is true.
I've never met a lawyer. 42 00:02:57,670.999 --> 00:02:59,421 I've never met a sober lawyer. 43 00:02:59,471.1 --> 00:03:01,911.1 Outside, out of the courtroom. 44 00:03:02,411.1 --> 00:03:09,891.1 Well, sober, yes, but they are always in wine class trying to justify the consumption. 45 00:03:10,321.1 --> 00:03:17,311.1 Oh, you know, it's not just that, I mean, let's just be honest about something here because lawyers are a very specific kind of person. 46 00:03:17,611.1 --> 00:03:24,211.1 Now you do have to, you know, the lawyers I know, and tell me if I'm wrong about this, but most lawyers that I've met. 47 00:03:24,436.1 --> 00:03:28,646.1 have a really great background in classical literature. 48 00:03:28,666.1 --> 00:03:29,606.1 They read a lot. 49 00:03:29,606.1 --> 00:03:30,716.1 They love writing. 50 00:03:30,946.1 --> 00:03:58,386.099 they have a lot of passion that it seems that when they were younger, it seemed that that Was all focused on something, you know, the one kind of job you can have where you can make a good income, but also deal with text, with writing, like most of your job is interpreting and arguing Parts of literature, of law, of language, like, I find that fascinating. 51 00:03:58,386.099 --> 00:03:59,986.099 It's also a lot of logic. 52 00:04:00,546.099 --> 00:04:12,316.098 So I, I find that people who are lawyers, or want to be lawyers, are really just, you know, they're English majors who had better sense in high school. 53 00:04:12,676.098 --> 00:04:18,181.099 To, you know, I was an English major, this is why I'm saying this, you know, my pre retail degree. 54 00:04:18,181.099 --> 00:04:24,531.099 I, when I realized that, you know, that was it, you know, I got as far as I could go as I became a journalist and then the same thing. 55 00:04:24,541.099 --> 00:04:38,801.099 But you know, I probably made in like the seven years I was a journalist, this, what you made in, in like six months as a lawyer, let's be honest, it's much smarter, much smarter choice, but talk to us. 56 00:04:39,976.099 --> 00:04:40,616.099 Talk to us. 57 00:04:41,776.099 --> 00:04:42,846.099 I think that's true. 58 00:04:42,846.099 --> 00:04:50,926.099 And I'll, I'll tell you, I, I didn't, I definitely was one of those people who went to law school because I didn't know what else to do. 59 00:04:51,296.099 --> 00:04:52,706.098 I loved languages. 60 00:04:52,706.099 --> 00:04:57,496.099 I loved the written word and I loved studying and learning about different cultures. 61 00:04:58,56.098 --> 00:05:02,156.099 And in college, I did study abroad in China. 62 00:05:02,226.099 --> 00:05:05,466.099 And, Learned Mandarin and absolutely loved that. 63 00:05:06,586.099 --> 00:05:08,306.099 I couldn't fathom. 64 00:05:09,546.099 --> 00:05:14,886.099 in any kind of business role or academic role. 65 00:05:15,326.099 --> 00:05:20,416.099 And so I had a short period of time to figure out perhaps what to do. 66 00:05:20,836.099 --> 00:05:24,696.099 And so law school made sense, but I'll, I think what. 67 00:05:25,81.099 --> 00:05:33,621.098 A through line is for me is I love when you can take something and use it as a lens into another culture. 68 00:05:34,81.099 --> 00:05:38,171.099 And so you feel closer to that culture. 69 00:05:38,191.099 --> 00:05:39,261.0985 It's interesting. 70 00:05:39,261.0985 --> 00:05:43,181.099 It's a way to connect with people from all kinds of different backgrounds. 71 00:05:43,411.098 --> 00:05:50,391.098 I did a little bit of comparative law where you study different legal systems and compare them to our legal system. 72 00:05:51,836.098 --> 00:06:05,566.098 What was immediately of interest was, it really shows you the way a given place structures their legal code, what they really value, what's really important. 73 00:06:05,806.098 --> 00:06:06,186.098 Oh, okay. 74 00:06:06,226.098 --> 00:06:06,946.098 Bear with me. 75 00:06:06,976.098 --> 00:06:07,956.098 This is fascinating. 76 00:06:08,326.099 --> 00:06:08,626.0985 Yeah. 77 00:06:08,626.0985 --> 00:06:09,636.098 So it really is. 78 00:06:09,686.099 --> 00:06:10,46.099 Okay. 79 00:06:10,66.098 --> 00:06:11,296.099 This is very interesting, actually. 80 00:06:11,396.099 --> 00:06:23,171.099 So, I really I found with wine, when you get into wine from a particular place, it too is very reflective of the values. 81 00:06:23,231.099 --> 00:06:29,21.099 So, for example, Italians, Italian wines are always going to go well with food. 82 00:06:29,371.098 --> 00:06:36,811.099 That's such You know, a cornerstone of their belief system is that you have wine and food together. 83 00:06:37,261.099 --> 00:06:53,141.099 And I just, I loved being able to look at a culture through their wine and then even into the picky oon matters of how they choose to, govern their label requirements or, you know, things, things of that nature. 84 00:06:53,141.099 --> 00:06:55,356.099 So That's what I really like about it. 85 00:06:55,356.099 --> 00:06:57,156.099 And for me, that's the through line. 86 00:06:57,776.099 --> 00:06:58,776.099 That's really interesting. 87 00:06:59,26.099 --> 00:07:11,236.097 So largely it is, it's the culture, the thing that, whether it's law or whether it's wine, it's actually, it's a lens you can look at, to see what people are like and why they do what they do. 88 00:07:11,286.097 --> 00:07:42,351.095 and you can actually see a much more, deeper view of who they are and it's being immersed into their, Who they are in a way that you just don't you can't do if you're just a tourist that's interesting because As, you've talked to me about this, about, like, Italian law, and how weird and different it is versus our law, and it makes so much sense because of, you know, how they are such a different people, and working there, yes, like, it makes sense that it's different. 89 00:07:43,241.096 --> 00:08:07,591.095 And how the legal codes are interpreted, between California and the East Coast is completely weird and different, because they're such different people, like me being an East Coast guy working in California, Napa for so long, it just did my head in And what they thought, the things they would pull you over for and complain about were so different than what they would complain about here. 90 00:08:07,601.096 --> 00:08:10,201.095 Like, you can be smoking a joint and. 91 00:08:10,796.096 --> 00:08:16,996.096 Drinking, and they wouldn't pull you over, but if you were playing music too loud, they definitely would. 92 00:08:16,996.096 --> 00:08:18,496.096 talking about in a car? In a car. 93 00:08:18,546.096 --> 00:08:19,600.30188235 Yes, in a car. 94 00:08:19,600.30188235 --> 00:08:25,746.096 Like where else are we supposed to smoke and enjoy and drink at the same time? In a car, of course. 95 00:08:26,706.096 --> 00:08:27,706.095 Please do not do this. 96 00:08:27,756.095 --> 00:08:28,496.095 Do not do this. 97 00:08:28,506.095 --> 00:08:29,340.996 Please don't do this. 98 00:08:29,551.096 --> 00:08:35,931.096 But however, it's, yeah, it just was, you know, it just, but it was like, and depending on, of course, that depends on the town and all that, but yeah. 99 00:08:35,931.096 --> 00:08:36,291.096 Yeah. 100 00:08:36,301.096 --> 00:08:40,921.096 But like, you know, you would never get pulled over playing your music too loud, you know, on the East Coast. 101 00:08:40,971.096 --> 00:08:41,281.096 Right. 102 00:08:41,361.095 --> 00:08:43,571.095 But West Coast, it did happen. 103 00:08:43,611.095 --> 00:08:43,871.095 Right. 104 00:08:43,891.096 --> 00:08:45,991.095 That was an un, unweird experience. 105 00:08:46,441.096 --> 00:08:49,431.096 But yeah, so things like that, even the interpretation. 106 00:08:49,431.096 --> 00:08:55,51.096 So I love this and I'm glad we have you and I'm glad that we have so many lawyers. 107 00:08:55,111.096 --> 00:09:00,91.0955 Like, we have, one of our students, who, was a tried and true lawyer. 108 00:09:00,91.0955 --> 00:09:03,851.096 He took our core program, and then became a perfumer. 109 00:09:04,31.095 --> 00:09:05,21.095 he fell in love with wine. 110 00:09:05,451.095 --> 00:09:08,231.095 And yes, this is for you, Stani. 111 00:09:08,871.095 --> 00:09:10,101.095 This is for you, brother. 112 00:09:10,391.095 --> 00:09:11,1.095 Love you. 113 00:09:11,181.095 --> 00:09:12,551.095 it's absolutely fascinating. 114 00:09:12,551.095 --> 00:09:14,201.095 how lawyers and. 115 00:09:15,436.095 --> 00:09:15,976.095 It's wonderful. 116 00:09:15,976.095 --> 00:09:21,416.095 I always make the joke that, we have so many lawyer friends or students that I could do anything in the world. 117 00:09:21,416.095 --> 00:09:25,426.095 And I have like 10 lawyers on speed dial, including you. 118 00:09:25,466.095 --> 00:09:26,916.094 Well, they answer your call. 119 00:09:27,236.094 --> 00:09:36,621.094 Are they still licensed? know, I really probably should ask, I guess I probably shouldn't call the perfumer like, no, no, no, I don't need a new cologne. 120 00:09:36,901.094 --> 00:09:38,571.093 I need to get out of prison. 121 00:09:42,371.094 --> 00:09:42,801.094 Yeah. 122 00:09:43,221.093 --> 00:09:45,391.093 So yes, so that's my background. 123 00:09:45,391.093 --> 00:09:48,871.093 I think what I would say to people, you know, it was. 124 00:09:49,381.094 --> 00:09:50,781.094 It's always hard. 125 00:09:51,291.094 --> 00:10:07,481.094 I think we all have a little bit of imposter syndrome and wonder if you're leaving behind a traditional career, you know, you're leaving behind a certain amount of status and, you know, I'll admit I'm the black sheep in my family, just like you're the black sheep in your family. 126 00:10:07,481.094 --> 00:10:07,941.094 Oh, absolutely. 127 00:10:07,941.094 --> 00:10:08,161.094 Yes. 128 00:10:10,391.094 --> 00:10:26,351.094 After wine school is proudly supported by the National Wine School, the gold standard, and professional wine certifications, whether you're dreaming of a career in the wine industry or just eager to take your wine knowledge to the next level, the National Wine School has you covered. 129 00:10:26,791.094 --> 00:10:32,161.094 Their programs are trusted, rigorous, and designed for aspiring wine pros like you. 130 00:10:34,581.094 --> 00:10:39,261.094 Visit Wine School us to learn more and start your journey today. 131 00:10:40,881.094 --> 00:10:42,721.094 So these things are considerations. 132 00:10:43,671.094 --> 00:10:44,991.094 At the end of the day, though. 133 00:10:45,886.094 --> 00:10:48,186.094 hang it up if it's not for you. 134 00:10:48,226.094 --> 00:10:49,776.094 The sooner the better. 135 00:10:50,46.094 --> 00:10:51,916.093 nothing matters that much. 136 00:10:51,946.094 --> 00:10:54,686.094 And I think I'm, I'm. 137 00:10:55,41.094 --> 00:11:13,101.094 Yeah, I'm very grateful that things turned out the way they did absolutely and all you got to do to Be honest is you know do an internet search for former lawyers wine and you will find Thousands of thousands of it is really I mean we welcome you Come to us. 138 00:11:13,601.094 --> 00:11:15,861.094 We welcome you into the fold of wine. 139 00:11:16,181.094 --> 00:11:20,451.094 It really is, a lot of the, the law is always essential. 140 00:11:20,661.094 --> 00:11:24,221.094 And I always talk to students who are thinking about making that transition. 141 00:11:25,201.093 --> 00:11:28,61.093 Like you, you never move away from what you know. 142 00:11:28,291.094 --> 00:11:32,51.094 You, you incorporate what you're moving into with that. 143 00:11:32,71.094 --> 00:11:33,561.094 Like you want to keep that. 144 00:11:33,571.094 --> 00:11:37,381.094 Cause the law and understanding the law and just that way of thinking. 145 00:11:37,661.094 --> 00:11:56,591.095 Matters and it really is very effective and really helpful in the wine trade there's so much that is involved the law in what we do it's a controlled substance that you have to ship across state lines But it's also a food product You have to understand these things along with the poetry of wine, it's, it is, we need it. 146 00:11:56,591.095 --> 00:11:58,251.095 And there's a lot of times we'll all come to you. 147 00:11:58,251.095 --> 00:12:07,441.0945 You're our director of wine education, but sometimes because I'm the founder and I'm supposed to be the business guy, I'll come to you and I'll, you will know so much more. 148 00:12:07,441.0945 --> 00:12:12,451.095 Like I'll ask you a question, like, what should we do here? And you'll always have the best answer. 149 00:12:12,601.094 --> 00:12:13,61.094 know about that. 150 00:12:14,391.094 --> 00:12:15,661.094 Oh, oh my God. 151 00:12:18,821.094 --> 00:12:22,101.094 Let's not test this too much further. 152 00:12:22,511.094 --> 00:12:25,291.094 I think it's time to taste some wine. 153 00:12:25,351.094 --> 00:12:25,921.094 On that note. 154 00:12:25,941.094 --> 00:12:26,371.094 that note. 155 00:12:26,371.194 --> 00:12:30,341.194 all lawyers, or former lawyers, yes, let's introduce what we're drinking today. 156 00:12:30,361.193 --> 00:12:31,31.193 Let's introduce. 157 00:12:31,41.194 --> 00:12:33,481.194 So, today we are drinking Cab Franc. 158 00:12:33,481.294 --> 00:12:35,439.2734 From the Loire Valley. 159 00:12:35,549.2734 --> 00:12:37,549.1734 This is a Saint Nicolas de Bourdieu. 160 00:12:37,549.2734 --> 00:12:38,302.5734 This is awesome. 161 00:12:38,302.5734 --> 00:12:39,459.2734 Is the appellation. 162 00:12:39,809.2734 --> 00:12:42,189.2734 Amaril les Malignes. 163 00:12:42,859.2734 --> 00:12:44,309.2734 And I said that terribly. 164 00:12:44,339.2734 --> 00:12:49,369.2134 probably still terrible, but that's really, well, that's, that is far better. 165 00:12:49,809.2134 --> 00:13:04,89.2134 That is one of the hard things to think of is after hours, because I mean, there are times like some of these, these, you know, tongue twisters, you have to pronounce them in a way that is both correct, but also understandable to Americans. 166 00:13:04,209.2134 --> 00:13:07,289.2134 And that's actually not the easiest thing in the world because you have. 167 00:13:07,564.2134 --> 00:13:08,654.2134 They have to understand it. 168 00:13:08,754.2134 --> 00:13:10,534.2134 No, and I, and it is after hours. 169 00:13:10,594.2134 --> 00:13:11,404.2134 we're a little tired. 170 00:13:11,404.3134 --> 00:13:12,324.3134 cheers everybody. 171 00:13:12,384.3134 --> 00:13:13,834.3134 Oh, let's drink it together. 172 00:13:13,894.3124 --> 00:13:14,784.3134 Well, we're gonna cheers here. 173 00:13:14,844.3124 --> 00:13:15,184.3124 Okay. 174 00:13:15,284.3134 --> 00:13:16,904.3134 I wanna cheers people before I taste it. 175 00:13:16,924.3134 --> 00:13:17,174.3134 Okay. 176 00:13:17,274.3134 --> 00:13:18,574.3154 Misophonia warning. 177 00:13:18,874.3144 --> 00:13:21,14.3144 Oh, yes. 178 00:13:21,334.3144 --> 00:13:23,124.3144 So, everything's fine. 179 00:13:23,124.3144 --> 00:13:24,464.3144 we'll alert you when we're gonna. 180 00:13:24,944.3144 --> 00:13:25,604.3144 Oh, this is awesome. 181 00:13:25,654.3144 --> 00:13:25,904.3144 hmm. 182 00:13:25,974.3144 --> 00:13:26,904.3144 Okay, first off. 183 00:13:28,124.3144 --> 00:13:31,134.3144 This is Cab Franc, Loire Valley, middle of Loire, Cab Franc. 184 00:13:32,654.3144 --> 00:13:34,474.3144 And here's another warning, green pepper alert. 185 00:13:35,324.3144 --> 00:13:42,224.3144 Look, this is one of my favorite all time wines, especially, here, but also Chanon, this whole area, Cab Franc. 186 00:13:42,344.3144 --> 00:13:42,944.3144 Yes. 187 00:13:44,554.3144 --> 00:13:53,104.3144 If you do not like that smell of pyrazine in the morning, I love the smell of pyrazine in the morning, but if you don't like that, it's not for you. 188 00:13:53,154.3144 --> 00:13:54,524.3144 It just like never will be. 189 00:13:54,524.3144 --> 00:13:57,64.3144 But I, this is my. 190 00:13:57,634.3144 --> 00:14:04,714.3144 Go to for my burgundy replacement when that's too expensive It's my it's the alien beautiful thing. 191 00:14:04,714.3144 --> 00:14:11,894.3144 I've even really I didn't I've smelt this a little bit But well the nose is a really beautiful balance between fruit and those earthy nose. 192 00:14:11,994.3144 --> 00:14:15,4.3144 Oftentimes they're very much like, bright cherry, but here it's more darker. 193 00:14:15,44.3144 --> 00:14:15,594.3144 Yes. 194 00:14:15,764.3144 --> 00:14:16,454.3144 I think plum. 195 00:14:16,494.3144 --> 00:14:17,624.3144 Definitely dark plum. 196 00:14:17,684.3144 --> 00:14:18,14.3144 Okay. 197 00:14:18,14.3144 --> 00:14:18,374.3144 Yes. 198 00:14:18,414.3144 --> 00:14:18,724.3144 Good. 199 00:14:18,974.3144 --> 00:14:19,274.3144 Good. 200 00:14:19,474.3144 --> 00:14:21,214.3144 Juicy, red flesh. 201 00:14:21,224.3134 --> 00:14:21,624.3134 Hee hee. 202 00:14:22,404.3144 --> 00:14:24,94.3134 That's, I don't, oh, that smells so good. 203 00:14:24,864.3144 --> 00:14:30,854.3134 You don't think that green pepper and plum would make sense together, but as an aromatic, it does. 204 00:14:32,284.3144 --> 00:14:33,534.3144 Really does. 205 00:14:33,544.3144 --> 00:14:35,204.3144 It's that sweet and savory note. 206 00:14:35,254.3144 --> 00:14:36,4.3144 I love this. 207 00:14:36,74.3144 --> 00:14:37,134.3144 And now. 208 00:14:37,704.3144 --> 00:14:38,744.3144 I'm really curious. 209 00:14:39,844.3144 --> 00:14:44,334.3144 Usually these are pretty high acid, but this is such dark ripe fruit. 210 00:14:44,334.3144 --> 00:14:45,374.3144 I kind of wonder if it is. 211 00:14:45,404.3144 --> 00:14:45,954.3144 All right, let's take a sip. 212 00:14:51,644.3144 --> 00:14:53,359.3144 Yeah, me Really quietly. 213 00:14:53,449.3144 --> 00:14:53,619.3134 Yeah, me too. 214 00:14:54,109.3144 --> 00:14:54,601.2944 I think that was good. 215 00:14:54,651.2944 --> 00:14:55,411.2944 it's so silky. 216 00:14:55,821.2944 --> 00:15:00,211.2944 Now, caveat, I did pour this, about a half an hour ago. 217 00:15:00,731.2944 --> 00:15:05,681.2934 45 minutes, so it's been decanted, so it has opened up quite a great deal. 218 00:15:05,931.2944 --> 00:15:11,131.2944 It wouldn't be this smooth and supple, when we first opened it, but it is, like, it's got great texture. 219 00:15:11,191.2944 --> 00:15:11,831.2944 it's beautiful. 220 00:15:11,851.2944 --> 00:15:13,761.2944 has that thing that you love in red wine. 221 00:15:14,671.2944 --> 00:15:15,791.2944 It has that thing. 222 00:15:17,401.2944 --> 00:15:20,691.2944 It starts with a one and a three. 223 00:15:21,661.2944 --> 00:15:22,661.2944 Thirteen percent alcohol. 224 00:15:25,216.2944 --> 00:15:39,496.2944 Where are you going with this? What freaking shit are you going to talk about? My favorite 13 to 13 and a half percent red wine is just divine. 225 00:15:39,496.2944 --> 00:15:40,776.2944 We need to drink more of it. 226 00:15:40,806.2944 --> 00:15:42,386.2944 it goes with food so well. 227 00:15:42,406.2934 --> 00:15:47,846.2934 And yeah, it's a beautiful, long finish, really well balanced, medium acidity. 228 00:15:48,166.2944 --> 00:15:51,736.2924 I love this, this more modern, this movement towards, later. 229 00:15:52,901.2924 --> 00:15:57,131.2924 Harvesting and it's a little, getting a little bit more warm in the middle of the war. 230 00:15:57,131.2924 --> 00:16:00,451.2924 You know, it's one of those places I'm very thankful for global warming. 231 00:16:00,451.2924 --> 00:16:08,91.2924 I'm like, please more, more, no, not really, but yes, here it's, it's really important because it's, it's fresher than they used to be. 232 00:16:08,471.2914 --> 00:16:10,21.2914 they're, they are harvesting a little bit later. 233 00:16:10,41.2914 --> 00:16:12,861.2914 They're, they're waiting for a little bit more phenolic ripeness. 234 00:16:13,61.2914 --> 00:16:14,381.2914 It's glorious though. 235 00:16:14,951.2914 --> 00:16:15,561.2914 I am. 236 00:16:16,56.2914 --> 00:16:17,916.2914 And the finish is quite long. 237 00:16:17,936.2914 --> 00:16:18,766.2914 I'm really surprised. 238 00:16:19,126.2914 --> 00:16:23,886.2914 it also is, no, it doesn't have that much oak to it, but it does have the notes of cedar. 239 00:16:23,956.2904 --> 00:16:24,146.2904 Yes. 240 00:16:24,246.2904 --> 00:16:28,476.2914 Which is very classic, Cabernet Franc, also Cabernet Sauvignon, by the way. 241 00:16:29,456.2914 --> 00:16:32,401.2914 I am Happy. 242 00:16:36,291.2914 --> 00:16:39,241.2914 I think that's the perfect way to wrap up. 243 00:16:39,301.2914 --> 00:16:40,581.2914 Do you think so? I think so. 244 00:16:40,681.2914 --> 00:16:42,501.2914 Was it misophonia? Yeah. 245 00:16:42,541.2904 --> 00:16:42,941.2914 Oh, yeah, I know. 246 00:16:42,941.2914 --> 00:16:44,241.1914 That is serious. 247 00:16:44,301.1924 --> 00:16:45,71.1914 Don't mess. 248 00:16:45,91.1914 --> 00:16:45,631.1914 All right. 249 00:16:45,651.1914 --> 00:16:47,141.1914 We're gonna wind down. 250 00:16:47,601.1914 --> 00:16:48,401.1914 Well, cheers. 251 00:16:48,691.1914 --> 00:16:49,501.1914 Thank you, Keith. 252 00:16:49,511.1914 --> 00:16:49,991.1914 Thank you. 253 00:16:50,361.1914 --> 00:16:50,601.1914 Cheers. 254 00:16:50,741.1914 --> 00:16:51,81.1914 folks. 255 00:16:51,171.1914 --> 00:16:53,751.1914 Before you go, please like and subscribe. 256 00:16:53,791.1914 --> 00:16:59,381.1914 No matter where you're watching or listening from, by all means, please tell your friends. 257 00:16:59,601.1904 --> 00:17:09,871.1914 If you want to hear a little bit about wine, some good information, in a very much more relaxed environment, not pretentious, just in very, very honest behind the scenes information. 258 00:17:09,881.1914 --> 00:17:10,711.1914 After school. 259 00:17:11,1.1914 --> 00:17:12,221.1914 This is after school. 260 00:17:12,251.1914 --> 00:17:12,891.1914 Not. 261 00:17:13,721.1914 --> 00:17:36,966.0914 but you know, you're going to get, I think that what we do here is a really, really important it's, you know, it's not, we're not standing up straight, we're just being who we are and getting to actually, you know, enjoy wine with folks, having fun, I'm being honest, and I think that there's, that's so rare in our industry, so please like, subscribe, tell people, rate us, look, please just let us know. 262 00:17:37,266.1914 --> 00:17:40,946.1914 Rate, whatever you're listening or looking at this, say, this is amazing. 263 00:17:41,226.1914 --> 00:17:47,466.0924 Oh, five stars, If you give us four, I will personally come to your home and actually, pet your dog the wrong way. 264 00:17:47,896.0924 --> 00:17:51,946.0924 I will also, if you wear glasses, I will switch out your prescription to mine. 265 00:17:52,436.0924 --> 00:17:58,956.0924 And yeah, and I will also replace all your shoes with, shoes that are one half size too large. 266 00:18:00,826.0924 --> 00:18:01,106.0924 All right. 267 00:18:01,136.0924 --> 00:18:02,506.0924 Well, that's all there is to say. 268 00:18:02,596.0924 --> 00:18:02,876.0924 All right. 269 00:18:03,126.0924 --> 00:18:03,816.0924 Thanks, everyone. 270 00:18:07,86.0924 --> 00:18:10,66.0924 Thanks for spending time with us on After Wine School. 271 00:18:10,606.0924 --> 00:18:17,716.0914 If you enjoyed today's episode, hit subscribe so you never miss out on more wine wisdom, tips, and laughs.
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